Number of servers [Archive] - PlanetSide Universe

Death2All

2011-12-04, 09:36 PM

How many servers are you looking forward to having?

Personally, I hope they limit it to three servers again. I'm afraid by having too many servers, it will strech the populations too thin (like how it was in PS1, servers ended up being merged). Keeping a small number of servers also keeps the populations condensed. There's also the issue of wanting to play with all of your friends and familiars from the previous game. Personally, I'd rather play with a bunch of old PS vets on one server than be spread onto a bunch of other servers with first timers, just a personal preference but I think many can agree.

Essentially, limiting the total number of servers keeps the fights big and the action constant. What are your thoughts on the total number of servers there should be at launch? Granted, if populations are gigantic, they should obviously expand, but just from my perspective and experience with the first game, a smaller number of servers would be better.

Baron

2011-12-04, 10:01 PM

I've already requested the central US server be located < 1 mile from my residence :D

SKYeXile

2011-12-04, 10:30 PM

Lawl, 3 servers = 30000 concurrent players TOPS.

some stats:
BF3 had 200k concurrent players at its launch on PC alone.
TF2 had 50k concurrent players when switching to F2P
DCUO saw a 1000% growth when it went F2P.
MF3 currently has 70k concurrent users
dungeon defenders a shiity game that had only steam advertising and had a $12 fee to buy it had over 30k concurrent players at its launch.

They're going to need a SHITLOAD more than 3 servers.

Yea sure, they might have to cutback servers after launch numbers die down, but they're crazy to not plan for shitloads of people. I would be thinking more like 10 servers, minimum.

4 east
3 west
3 euro.

this isnot 2003 and this is not pay to play.

Lonehunter

2011-12-04, 11:02 PM

dsi

2011-12-04, 11:20 PM

xSlideShow

2011-12-04, 11:27 PM

If they were super crazy awesome they'd go one (apparent) server style like Eve, but I don't think there are enough conts for that. And of course lag...

One apparent server for Americas, Europe, and Asia each would be kick ass though.

This, but most people want 3 cause they want the option to play all 3 empires.

SOE still hasn't launched ANY marketing, ZERO. If they continue on this path like PS1 I can see 3 servers at launch, but if they actually advertise we have the potential of FILLING at least 5 servers (4 American, 1 Overseas)

Well The way I see it... They don't really need to handle their ad campaign. We got that covered.

SKYeXile

2011-12-04, 11:42 PM

This, but most people want 3 cause they want the option to play all 3 empires.

Well The way I see it... They don't really need to handle their ad campaign. We got that covered.

Americans shit themselfs when they have over 80 ping, THE LAG OH NOES ITS SPIRALLING OUT OF CONTROL, ITS UNPLAYABLE, UNBELIVIBLE! ITS CRAZY! ...okay im done.

I cant see many rolling on Euro servers to play another empire, not when its free to play.

Death2All

2011-12-05, 12:20 AM

this isnot 2003 and this is not pay to play.

Admittedly three servers was a bit low, I'm just slightly jaded based off of what I've seen from PS1.

Free to play is a good point. There's certainly going to be more people playing this time around, so that's something to look forward to. One thing I haven't yet seen to be confirmed is if it's just a straight up FREE to play. No cost at all to buy the game. Or is there still going to be a purchase fee?

I'd prefer the ladder personally. A straight up free game would allow any swinging dick to pick up the game, install at and play like an asshole. Having to purchase the game would at least deter a few of those people.

Also, I'd like for them to include the original three (or five servers). For one, just for old times sake and two as a means for veterans to pick the appropriate server. I'm really concerned about that, I would just really like to see some familiar names amidst all the noobs we'll be seeing, I don't know why :rolleyes:

SKYeXile

2011-12-05, 01:03 AM

Admittedly three servers was a bit low, I'm just slightly jaded based off of what I've seen from PS1.

Free to play is a good point. There's certainly going to be more people playing this time around, so that's something to look forward to. One thing I haven't yet seen to be confirmed is if it's just a straight up FREE to play. No cost at all to buy the game. Or is there still going to be a purchase fee?

I'd prefer the ladder personally. A straight up free game would allow any swinging dick to pick up the game, install at and play like an asshole. Having to purchase the game would at least deter a few of those people.

Also, I'd like for them to include the original three (or five servers). For one, just for old times sake and two as a means for veterans to pick the appropriate server. I'm really concerned about that, I would just really like to see some familiar names amidst all the noobs we'll be seeing, I don't know why :rolleyes:

they have said they're already working on the asshat factor, one i plan to test thoroughly in beta, i hate asshats, but i make a dam good one...perfect for the job.

im pretty sure its fully free to play.

Death2All

2011-12-05, 01:10 AM

they have said they're already working on the asshat factor, one i plan to test thoroughly in beta, i hate asshats, but i make a dam good one...perfect for the job.

im pretty sure its fully free to play.

I really don't understand how they could possibly stop people from playing like assholes when they can simply get banned, create a new account in minutes and start the ass-hattery all over again. If you ban their IP, they can easily change it and continue on. I remember DarkFate mentioning talking to Secant about banning HDD serial numbers but he said even Secant found a way around that in a matter of time.

The pointing a purchase style free to play would deter most people. And even if I didn't, at least SOE would be making some $$$ off of it.

I'm a very frugal person and I hate spending money, but when it comes to PS2, the last game I've really cared about in forever, I want what's best for it in the grand scheme of things.

SKYeXile

2011-12-05, 01:31 AM

I really don't understand how they could possibly stop people from playing like assholes when they can simply get banned, create a new account in minutes and start the ass-hattery all over again. If you ban their IP, they can easily change it and continue on. I remember DarkFate mentioning talking to Secant about banning HDD serial numbers but he said even Secant found a way around that in a matter of time.

The pointing a purchase style free to play would deter most people. And even if I didn't, at least SOE would be making some $$$ off of it.

I'm a very frugal person and I hate spending money, but when it comes to PS2, the last game I've really cared about in forever, I want what's best for it in the grand scheme of things.

no its more they're limiting how people can be assholes.

for one we know grief will ramp up alot faster for a new account.
i would presume friendly s wont be able to damage tubes or gens again or any other sort of fixed friendly emplacement.
I would think there would be limitations on CE been able to be deployed.
there would be limits on purchasing anything that can drain resources or effectively grief an empire or player.

when tked they plan to have a "penalise/forgive/report" option, something to that effect.

have to wait until the game is played, im sure we can nail out whats proper griefable in beta.

DeadlyButters

2011-12-05, 01:44 AM

yea well imagine how i feel wanting to play this game from australia!!! I will be stuck to playing on american servers because they provide the best servers that are still playable from aus.

Zulthus

2011-12-05, 01:54 AM

I HIGHLY doubt that the game will be a free download. There would be hackers galore, even more than SOE would want to deal with. Besides, a game like this will deserve a box price, and they need it to replace the funds lost developing the game.

If enough people want the game, and there are ~2000? they said per continent, assuming there are 5 continents in at launch, I'd say there would have to be at least 20 servers. If this game is actually MARKETED, then I have no doubt it will pull people in excess of 200,000 people on launch.

SKYeXile

2011-12-05, 02:09 AM

yea well imagine how i feel wanting to play this game from australia!!! I will be stuck to playing on american servers because they provide the best servers that are still playable from aus.

I'm the iconic Australian around here. *stares deadlybutters down*

they have said the hit detection will be like BF3, im sure you know what you're in for though.

atleast your not one of those spastics thats all like SERVERS IN SINGO GUYS, IT WILLBE AWESOME!!!! so much better ping and connection through the single outdated cable via backwater WA lines through SG's even shittier network, WAY BETTER THAN THE 5 ODD CABLES RUNNING FROM SYDNEY TO HAWAII!

look at how much better the results are!!!

http://www.speedtest.net/result/1630444792.png

http://www.speedtest.net/result/1630447686.png

god dam tards.

Nephilimuk

2011-12-05, 02:55 AM

Guys call it shards not servers....

I doubt or at least I hope that the current PS is not hosted on a single server. (Although I guess now it could be due to the lack of pop)

The shards are normally clustered (multiple) servers (virtual or physical) delivering to the end users. Clusters can be scaled or reduced according to demand. This allows them to scale depending on how popular the game becomes. They are given logical names often called shards in online gaming.

I would expect at least one Shard for the major geographical hubs and if they use tunnelling or compression technologies I don't think latency would be to much of a problem. (Networking has advanced massivley since PS was first designed)

The CCP servers are all in London for reference but it is a very different game.

The above is an educated guess

SKYeXile

2011-12-05, 03:12 AM

Yea... I think we'll just stick to calling them servers.

PlanetSide 2 wont be using a global single server, not in a ping dependant game.

it might work currently, but its mega gay and they will lose money because of it: Aka my money, because im not paying to play a game where i ping 280 to it.

Death2All

2011-12-05, 03:22 AM

SKYeXile

2011-12-05, 03:28 AM

Don't lie. You'd still pay...You just wouldn't be as happy :doh:

yea you're right...for PS2 i would pay...PS1 no.

though i dunno how long i would pay for, playing on Emerald is seriously retarded with 280ping, while i know the server is a POS compared to markov playing with that higher ping sucks. I can never land a killing blwo in a zerg because no doubt somebody's packet gets there before mine, even slapping people in the face with a jackhammer, somebody else gets the KB...

PS2 would suck moreso since the TTK is going to be lower.

Death2All

2011-12-05, 03:36 AM

yea you're right...for PS2 i would pay...PS1 no.

though i dunno how long i would pay for, playing on Emerald is seriously retarded with 280ping, while i know the server is a POS compared to markov playing with that higher ping sucks. I can never land a killing blwo in a zerg because no doubt somebody's packet gets there before mine, even slapping people in the face with a jackhammer, somebody else gets the KB...

PS2 would suck moreso since the TTK is going to be lower.

I feel sorry for you Australians, you really get shafted with a lot of things. Horrible connections, censored games, censored internet? If I heard right, and every fucking creature is capable of killing you. If I were you I'd leave that hell hole and then be the neat friend in the group with the Australian accent. Sure, you'd have to put up with a bunch of kangaroo questions, but I think it would be well worth it in the end.

SKYeXile

2011-12-05, 03:53 AM

I feel sorry for you Australians, you really get shafted with a lot of things. Horrible connections, censored games, censored internet? If I heard right, and every fucking creature is capable of killing you. If I were you I'd leave that hell hole and then be the neat friend in the group with the Australian accent. Sure, you'd have to put up with a bunch of kangaroo questions, but I think it would be well worth it in the end.

umm no censored internet...dont know iv not tried to access any child pron for awhile now...
the connection is slow yea, but thats really only by distance, its 150ms across the pacific, not much you can do about that other than prey for a plate shift to move us 10000km closer to America.

yea, animals can be deadly if you live in the north or desert, but in the citys...yea we dont ride kanagroos...mate.

but on the plus side our economy is not in ruins...yet.

the internet can be good depending on where you live, hopefully i can switch to fibre or microwave when i move closer to my work next year, or just move into work... this connection pings about 150-160 to san jose, its literally plugged into the backbone, no shit our ISPs unit is nextdoor...there's a cable drilled through the wall....

OH NOM NOMNOM!

http://www.speedtest.net/result/873864608.png

not sure how the microwave service they offer goes though.

DeadlyButters

2011-12-05, 03:54 AM

allthough im new to planetside community (havent played planetside before but i would like to), its gd to see im not the only australian tht is excited about PS2 :D bf3 is starting to piss me off anyways lol (also have you seen bf3's hit detection, its more shithouse than bc2 in my opinion).

yea iv played on american servers before in fps games and i can handle around 250ms when playin it doesn't bother me too much. lol at singapore servers those are shithouse never use any asian servers ever they always suck. we should be gd Exile as long as they dont fuk up the netcode and keep it away from being one massive server, we should be able to kick some gd old ass, AUSSIE STYLE!!!

haha on a side note, I heard stories that some americans actually believe that we ride kangaroos to school and keep them as pets lolol, when in fact I only ever see them in a place north of Melbourne called Kangaroo Ground (lol ironic hey), also theres wallabies which are smaller versions of kangaroos, FYI.

NC4LIFE (atm)

SKYeXile

2011-12-05, 04:02 AM

lol well yea dices netcode is always questionable. but i think SOE does pretty well at compensating the ping retarded, I did quite well when i play on Markov with 180-220ping :)
Americans might say otherwise, but i think planetsides netcode is pretty good...despite the hackers...but tbh i would rather play with hackers than shitty netcode...atleast ill be able to hit them....
In theory SOE will use the same system as BF3, though i dont know the specifics of it, hit detection is done on the client then theres some sanity checking on the server or something i think. but i hit on your screen should be hit(from what i understand from higbys posts)

gonna be so great killing Americans around corners on their screens though, hate tells are insured, cant wait!

SuperMorto

2011-12-05, 04:05 AM

http://www.speedtest.net/result/1630563931.png

Raka Maru

2011-12-05, 04:15 AM

Dang, no wonder... Gotta upgrade my Internet connection.

Vash02

2011-12-05, 04:22 AM

I can only wait and hope that BT chooses my town to install fibre optics for next year. 300mbs ooohhhhhhhh yeaahhhhhhh.

Raka Maru

2011-12-05, 04:31 AM

I'm in Hawaii, anyone else get ~200 ping to Gemini?

TigerClaw

2011-12-05, 04:43 AM

http://speedtest.net/result/1630608194.png

this is from my work, (being IT we plug straight in to the core :p, although we still go through the proxy (bypassed with whitelists))

SKYeXile

2011-12-05, 05:26 AM

I'm in Hawaii, anyone else get ~200 ping to Gemini?

dam, would have thought you would have gotten better than that.

Coreldan

2011-12-05, 05:39 AM

I think a single server "EVE style" would be a completely retarded idea for a game like PS2. I can't belive someone would actually think it would be a good idea, that's how bad idea it is :D

But yea, at least every continent pretty much needs its own server (not sure about Asia, many game devs dont bother cos its more expensive or something?). Probably several servers will be needed per cont. Usually game devs say that they rather merge later than realize at launch that hey, we can only get half of our potential customers to play at the moment, and it can take a good while before you manage to put a new server up and running if you weren't prepared.

Also, if there really is no box cost (I'd hope at least 5€ activation cost or something to slow chronic cheaters) and f2p, the game will have WAY more concurrent users at launch than PS with its box cost, new genre and subscription. While the marketing has been nonexistant this time around too, internet and social media has improved so much since Planetside was launched that a lot more people have probably already heard about PS2 than ever heard about PS.

SKYeXile

2011-12-05, 05:44 AM

the9 is publishing planetside in china and possibly other Asian countries i guess.

SgtMAD

2011-12-05, 05:54 AM

when DCUO went F2P SOE had 550k players in a matter if days,it shocked the hell out of them, they won't make the same mistake with PS2

RedKnights

2011-12-05, 11:26 AM

I visualized Planetside being made up of Interconnected Planets in a Planetary System, each planet representing a server with it's own independent geographical location.

also:

http://www.speedtest.net/result/1631234728.png

;)

Hamma

2011-12-05, 11:37 AM

SOE still hasn't launched ANY marketing, ZERO. If they continue on this path like PS1 I can see 3 servers at launch, but if they actually advertise we have the potential of FILLING at least 5 servers (4 American, 1 Overseas)

uhhh what? Yes they have. We wouldn't be seeing these PC Gamer articles and the massive media push at fan faire if Marketing was not involved. They are in fact launched, active and promoting PlanetSide 2. I know this because the way I deal with SOE directly changed after Fan Faire.

Canaris

2011-12-05, 11:40 AM

uhhh what? Yes they have. We wouldn't be seeing these PC Gamer articles and the massive media push at fan faire if Marketing was not involved. They are in fact launched, active and promoting PlanetSide 2. I know this because the way I deal with SOE directly changed after Fan Faire.

from what my sources tell me the marketing department spends most of it's time trying to keep Smedly away from us and revealing all the secrets of PS2 ;)

Hamma

2011-12-05, 11:52 AM

"Sources" :lol: What is this a political investigation?

That I am not surprised about if true, he loves PlanetSide and wants to reveal information about it whenever he can. I know lots of folks here are skeptical about that, but I sat down with him face to face and he was extremely excited about PlanetSide 2. The fact he sat on the panel at Fan Faire was a pretty good indication how excited he is about the game.

Graywolves

2011-12-05, 12:53 PM

I see 5 servers. All named Graywolves.

Nah, I just want to be on Emerald again.

Bittermen

2011-12-05, 01:36 PM

SOE still hasn't launched ANY marketing, ZERO. If they continue on this path like PS1 I can see 3 servers at launch, but if they actually advertise we have the potential of FILLING at least 5 servers (4 American, 1 Overseas)

I think they are advertising to the right people now. If you read sites like Massively or PC Gamer you know what Planetside 2 is.

ThGlump

2011-12-05, 01:51 PM

There will be tons of servers. But i hope that they will be sharing data so it dont matter on which one you actually playing. Its better than creating char at one server and be stuck with that one forever.
Its perfect solution for that rush effect that happen to every mmo. First week few hours long queues, month later most server is half empty and you are stuck there unless you want start from scratch on different server.
Only downside is only one name pool, so you have harder time to pick free name, but that would affect you later in any server merges.

And yes there is one empire per server limitation right now, so shared database isnt probably planned :(. But that could be fixed by server lock (you cant play on that server with other empires for 24hours after you played there)

Lonehunter

2011-12-05, 02:27 PM

Yeah sorry about "Zero Marketting", I was a lil inebriated at the time :D

But I could still correct it with no major, or mainstream marketing IMO. Magazines' previews are nothing special. It is all ready a lot more then we got with PS1 but these days what we're getting is standard and expected. Until I actually see a commercial, and more media buzz I just don't really view it as being marketed. The potential for this game his so huge to me my expectations in this field may be unconquerable.

Usually after a good MMO launches they have to add more servers, if it's successful they never seem to have enough. Wouldn't it be awesome if they had to go up to like 10 servers?

With that kind of population you could even get into specialty servers. Changes like no radar, less HUD, organized outfits only...lot of possibilities

and I do hope they bring back all the old server names

Coreldan

2011-12-05, 02:46 PM

As for the marketing. I guess they might not go for any major marketing. Being f2p, it will market itself. Like the infamous DCUO by now. Never seen any marketing from them, yet it went quite viral. Never seen any real TF2 marketing, never seen any other EVE marketing except the usual AdSense.

Marketing isn't cheap either. Perhaps theres a fine line between saving in marketing and putting it into development, while using the "cheaper" marketing methods, like social media and just having a FREEEEEEEEE to play game :D

DaSwede

2011-12-05, 02:59 PM

Let's hope they aren't using clustered solutions.

There really isn't any need for clustering now with the fast interconnects available.
As long as the messaging system they use is tier based the process/node failover is seamless should it be needed.

And I am confident that one server could handle all of PS2 easily. There are 80 core servers with a couple of hundred gigs of ram.
All you do is split up the server to segments where you isolate resource critical components to ensure that they always have the resources needed.

BorisBlade

2011-12-05, 03:10 PM

I can only wait and hope that BT chooses my town to install fibre optics for next year. 300mbs ooohhhhhhhh yeaahhhhhhh.

Im in Kansas City, we have Google Fiber (1000 mb/s) gettin installed here. =)

Zulthus

2011-12-05, 07:06 PM

Im in Kansas City, we have Google Fiber (1000 mb/s) gettin installed here. =)

Lucky bastard. 1000 mb/s is kind of overkill though, IMO. Not sure what an average household would need that much for.

Also, fine for my home;

http://www.speedtest.net/result/1632024166.png

:P

Death2All

2011-12-05, 07:56 PM

http://www.speedtest.net/result/1632077000.png

Are you jealous?

Hamma

2011-12-05, 10:20 PM

Fail :lol:

Raka Maru

2011-12-06, 01:52 AM

Ping ping envy

SKYeXile

2011-12-06, 02:32 AM

http://www.speedtest.net/result/1632077000.png

Are you jealous?

i would deal with that speed if i could get that ping to us servers.

Death2All

2011-12-06, 03:04 AM

i would deal with that speed if i could get that ping to us servers.

It floats around 60-100 ping when I play PS at least. I'm not really one to complain about ping, it doesn't really become unbearable unless you're over 300 or so. But my DL has been terrible for so long. When I see someone with 15mb/s dl speed I can't help but I cry silently to myself.

SKYeXile

2011-12-06, 03:11 AM

It floats around 60-100 ping when I play PS at least. I'm not really one to complain about ping, it doesn't really become unbearable unless you're over 300 or so. But my DL has been terrible for so long. When I see someone with 15mb/s dl speed I can't help but I cry silently to myself.

whats the go with it? you in bumfuck idaho with dial up?