Gamestop "PlanetSide 2 Cancelled"?

[Jownzorz]

I just got an automated call from GameStop saying the vendor has cancelled production on PlanetSide2??

[NewSith]

I just got an automated call from GameStop saying the vendor has cancelled production on PlanetSide2??

You got trolled.

[morf]

Guessing since it's free to play it won't be in stores.

[Peacemaker]

Just got the same call haha, its probably just not going to be sold at gamestop

[Hamma]

:lol:

Did it actually say cancelled?

[Shogun]

i guess, some dev read in this forum, that some fans already paid for some preorders, and since the game will be f2p now, this dev informed the stores to cancel preorders and give the money back.

the automated call is surely just standard and says developement cancelled, because that is the cause for cancelled preorders in 99% of all cases

[MgFalcon]

Got the same call, I'm really hoping this f2p doesn't mean the initial purchase is free. Just no subscription is fine but withdrawing from gamestop is scaring me :(

[robocpf1]

Got the same call, I'm really hoping this f2p doesn't mean the initial purchase is free. Just no subscription is fine but withdrawing from gamestop is scaring me :(

I'm imagining Steam. It would make sense and be pretty cool.

[morf]

Yeah the initial threshold to playing the game should be free. Get them hooked, then take their money. It's kinda the whole point of F2P. You get about 100 times as many players that way.

[Raymac]

Got the same call, I'm really hoping this f2p doesn't mean the initial purchase is free. Just no subscription is fine but withdrawing from gamestop is scaring me :(

I always kind of assumed f2p was going to mean free, not the box price then no subscription like Guild Wars 2. And not to get another thread into this discussion, but I personally think f2p is the best way to go since the game MUST have alot of players in order to be playable. Also, if they are going into it as f2p, then they are sure to have a large focus on dealing with cheaters. By now we should know that the devs aren't dumb enough to overlook something that vital.

Also, just throwing this out there, not sure about you guys, but my local Gamestop doesn't carry PC games, so maybe it has something to do with that? Perhaps other gamestops will stop carrying PC?

[Redshift]

I'm imagining Steam. It would make sense and be pretty cool.

Steam pisses a lot of people off though.
I'd imagine they'd just do it themselves rather than paying steam for the pleasure

[Bags]

Yeah, SOE got bored and decided to stop.
;)

Steam pisses a lot of people off though.
I'd imagine they'd just do it themselves rather than paying steam for the pleasure

I don't know anyone who ahtes steam. People do, but not many.

[Redshift]

I don't know anyone who ahtes steam. People do, but not many.

I don't hate them but they do get on my tits, for example i bought a game yesterday that has a bug where USB mice don't work consistently... in 2011 games being sold that don't like usb mice.... ofc steam don't refund. They've annoyed several communities by selling games which tbh shouldn't have been released but were and won't allow refunds like you would if you shop bought it.

[Coreldan]

If they say it's F2P, it has no initial cost. If it has initial cost, it is not free2play.

As for Steam, it is probably the best way of getting your product out there. Not sure how it pisses people off, they don't have to make Steam mandatory to run it, but making it an option is win-win.

[Redshift]

If they say it's F2P, it has no initial cost. If it has initial cost, it is not free2play.

As for Steam, it is probably the best way of getting your product out there. Not sure how it pisses people off, they don't have to make Steam mandatory to run it, but making it an option is win-win.

Actually thats not true in some cases, i found this out buying football manager 2012 for my brother for xmas, its a single player game they made require steam to run, can't play it without a net connection, loads of hate for it on amazon reviews :S

[Tasorin]

I don't prefer steam for some games due to the nature of the steam client running in the background in order to play the multi-player aspect. The reason I don't like it is due to being a resource nazi and killing anything that isn't necessary to run the game in order to maximize my fps potential and reduce any and all latency. It is the same reason I refuse to buy BF3, the Origins client is a pig and the CEO of EA is horrible for the gaming industry core of players.

I had expected SOE to charge us the nut for the box, and then have no monthly subscription as the F2P model. This would have supported them getting some of there development cost back in a lump sum NRE payment in terms of units sold. SOE being able to recognize an influx of money due to the sales of the units This would drive the ability to to not have to slide down the slippery slope of the Cash Store model due to hard dollars being recognized on the books as an opportunity in the sales of PS2 units.

Now if this is true that what SOE meant in "F2P" is that the game itself will be free to download, and there will be no monthly subscription fee, then my concerns grow exponentially that SOE will not be able to resist abusing the hell out of the Cash Store in a "Pay for Power" model.

I have been burnt by SOE to many times over the last 13 years. They do not have the greatest track record of making quality decisions when speaking to business models that impact the a games overall longevity, balance, and goodwill in working with said community.

PlanetSide 1
Star Wars Galaxies
Everquest 2

Are all prime examples of this type of failure previously that was not driven by the development teams, but the bean counters at Sony Entertainment which is the parent PL for Sony Online Entertainment. This relationship is at the crux of the previous failures and Smed's has fallen victim to it in SWG.

The history is there, and the concern is warranted.

[Raymac]

If I had to guess, I would think that PS2 model will be somewhat similar to the DCUO model, especially considering the huge bump in players it gave that game. Plus obviously it's SOE and recent.

http://www.dcuniverseonline.com/free/faq.vm

[IceyCold]

Steam for Planetside 2 could actually be a large boon considering the VAC (steams anti-cheat software). Getting caught cheating on steam means you'll have your account locked, losing the ability to play any of your steam games online until you appeal the ban.

And considering that VAC checks all the files before the game launches, altering files causes steam to prompt you to fix the game because it has become "corrupted". SOE could do this too but considering how many people they would get through steam, many of those people would probably just play rather than trying to find workarounds.

[Coreldan]

Steam does not equal VAC would be used. As PS2 is also a F2P game, no cheater would run PS2 on their main account with bought games.

[Xyntech]

Considering all the possible explanations and the fact that we know it hasn't been canceled, you may wanna rename the thread to something more like "Gamestop canceled my preorder" or something.

I certainly don't want to see PS2 require steam to run, but I hope it's included as an option, for the advertisement factor as well as for those who like using steams community features.

I'd probably use it through steam myself.

So far, all information points to the game being totally free to play (cash shop aside). I'm sure that's not set in stone, but I'd say it's safe to expect it to have no box price.

[FastAndFree]

I hope PS2 won't be on Steam, because then I would be unable to install it on my SSD

[ThGlump]

So no initial cost? I expect that 10 days after release ill run away screaming from Cheaterside 2.
Now i definitely wont buy anything from cash shop, since there wont be anything to stop hackers. Without some money cost, and with instant new account, SOE can never win against them and keep game clean.

[Crator]

/sarcasm on Ya sure, cause we know SOE won't put in any systems to prevent cheating in a F2P environment... That's why DCuO is full of hackers...

[Crazyduckling]

So no initial cost? I expect that 10 days after release ill run away screaming from Cheaterside 2.
Now i definitely wont buy anything from cash shop, since there wont be anything to stop hackers. Without some money cost, and with instant new account, SOE can never win against them and keep game clean.

You're acting as if they've never thought about hack prevention. Please stop.

I think hacking was one of the very first things addressed at a Q and A when the game was announced.

[Coreldan]

The truth still is, the cheaters are always one step further. Even if they can stop them fast after every new wave, they have already done their damage.

Just gotta hope they manage to deal with them so efficiently that the cheaters give up from trying any more. That is the only hope. No anti cheat software can do it alone.

Cheaters in an MMO with autotargeting and toggled abilities is nothing like an online shooter.

That said, no game, even with initial cost is clean of cheaters anyways.

[DaSwede]

There are so many ways to squash cheaters and with the experience from PS1 I have quite high confidence in the PS teams ability to account for those and squish them.

[Talek Krell]

I hope PS2 won't be on Steam, because then I would be unable to install it on my SSDThere is a solution to that.
Behold!: http://www.rockpapershotgun.com/2011/11/15/joy-install-steam-games-to-other-drives/

(Disclaimer: I have never actually gotten around to using it.)

[Xyntech]

The biggest thing I see F2P having a problem with is an increase in the number of obvious cheaters.

But obvious cheaters get caught quickly and easily and their exploits tend to get quickly patched over.

Shooters are always subjected to more clever, subtle cheaters. My hope is that the F2P environment will force the anti cheat team to spend more effort on cheating in general, which will hopefully translate to a reduction in the numbers of those subtle cheaters.

It's still going to be a big concern and it would be very easy for them to fuck it up.

If it becomes a large enough problem, they could always add something like a $5 to create a new account later on. As long as the game has already attracted a large amount f players, this may still keep the numbers relatively high, since a lot of those initial players would have still gotten in for free.

Hopefully they are responsive enough to situation to avoid letting the game be destroyed.

This is a business decision, not a gameplay decision. I doubt very much this is something that is going to change at our request, so I'm just going to wait and see and hope the team has some clever ideas on fighting cheaters.

[Hamma]

I hope PS2 won't be on Steam, because then I would be unable to install it on my SSD

There is this also, I've used it:

http://www.traynier.com/software/steammover

I've used this one - worked ok. Just an automated way to create folder links.

If I had to guess, I would think that PS2 model will be somewhat similar to the DCUO model, especially considering the huge bump in players it gave that game. Plus obviously it's SOE and recent.

http://www.dcuniverseonline.com/free/faq.vm

This is probably exactly what we will see, at least right along those lines.

Their recent experiments with F2P have been far to successful to ignore. They will go this way full bore without looking back imo.

We have to assume, or hope they have a team dedicated to anti cheat - but I don't think it will be as big of a deal as many people fear.

[ThGlump]

Ya sure, cause we know SOE won't put in any systems to prevent cheating in a F2P environment

Yea every company say they have good cheat protection, but i still have to see one thats actually effective. PS2 as a fps will attract cheaters, and as there wont be any real consequences there will be tons of it.
And its not only cheaters. Grievers is another thing. If you kill somebody be prepared to be TKed by his alt as a punishment (again with no consequences)

[Raymac]

Yea every company say they have good cheat protection, but i still have to see one thats actually effective. PS2 as a fps will attract cheaters, and as there wont be any real consequences there will be tons of it.
And its not only cheaters. Grievers is another thing. If you kill somebody be prepared to be TKed by his alt as a punishment (again with no consequences)

You remind me of those people that refuse to drive because car crashes are inevitable. No system is going to be perfect, but they've already made it clear that something as gamebreaking as this is being addressed.

I know it's a big scarey world out there, but it will be ok.

[ThGlump]

F2P = Letting everyone drive without driving license, and without any repressions for breaking rules, so there will be more ppl on road for increased cas sales. Yea you are probably right. I would refuse to drive if that would happen

[Zulthus]

F2P = Letting everyone drive without driving license, and without any repressions for breaking rules, so there will be more ppl on road for increased cas sales. Yea you are probably right. I would refuse to drive if that would happen

This is a good point.

[basti]

I hope PS2 won't be on Steam, because then I would be unable to install it on my SSD

Having it on steam does not mean you are forced to use steam. You can still use the usual Station Launcher.

[Traak]

I wonder just how far ahead you can reach by plunking down the maximum amount of cash?

And I wonder what that amount is?

[Raymac]

F2P = Letting everyone drive without driving license, and without any repressions for breaking rules, so there will be more ppl on road for increased cas sales. Yea you are probably right. I would refuse to drive if that would happen

OMG!! F2P?? Armageddon is upon us!! Run for the hills!! Women and children first!!

That's you. That's what you sound like.

If you are terrified of f2p, I've got news for you buddy. That train has left the station, so you are just going to either give up on playing mmos or just deal with it. More and more games are switching to f2p all the time.

So, you can either panic, or take a look around at the huge amount of f2p games already out there and realize the sky isn't falling.

[Marth Koopa]

Steam pisses a lot of people off though

Wait, what? Did I fall back in time to 2003?

[Graywolves]

F2P = Letting everyone drive without driving license, and without any repressions for breaking rules, so there will be more ppl on road for increased cas sales. Yea you are probably right. I would refuse to drive if that would happen

If they removed loans and installment plans, it would balance out.



Also....off topic....I don't understand why we don't just put the bumper car stuff around all of our automobiles.....

[Sifer2]

So its completely F2P? Just IMO but this is bad news. This means they literally get no revenue from this game unless a lot of people buy crap from the shop. Which means you can kiss it being cosmetics only goodbye. It wont be enough I guarantee. Power will be sold if necessary to pay the bills.

And then there is the hacking. Completely free means no penalty for hacking. So what if they catch you an ban you. Make new account an continue to hack for epic lulz. I pray to god that AT LEAST a valid credit card is required for making an account.

I think during the next Q&A we need to ask them to lay out some of this stuff for discussion. I think this could ruin the game worse than any killcams, or faster TTK's will. They have a good product as far as I can see. I think it can and should be sold in a box for the additional exposure and because it will sell. Don't rely on the shop alone an then have to make the game pay 2 win a few months in.

[Xyntech]

So its completely F2P? Just IMO but this is bad news. This means they literally get no revenue from this game unless a lot of people buy crap from the shop. Which means you can kiss it being cosmetics only goodbye. It wont be enough I guarantee. Power will be sold if necessary to pay the bills.

And then there is the hacking. Completely free means no penalty for hacking. So what if they catch you an ban you. Make new account an continue to hack for epic lulz. I pray to god that AT LEAST a valid credit card is required for making an account.

I think during the next Q&A we need to ask them to lay out some of this stuff for discussion. I think this could ruin the game worse than any killcams, or faster TTK's will. They have a good product as far as I can see. I think it can and should be sold in a box for the additional exposure and because it will sell. Don't rely on the shop alone an then have to make the game pay 2 win a few months in.

This has been discussed extensively. F2P (completely F2P) has proven highly effective as a means of supporting games.

With F2P, you end up having a huge percentage of players who never spend a single penny. Then you have another big chunk of players who only ever buy a couple of things, ever. Then you start getting into the few percentage points of players who buy several things a month. Not an insane amount of money, but it adds up. Lastly you have the tiny fraction of Mr. Moneybags, who buy every single thing in the shop, then buy a ton of stuff for their friends and guilds/clans/outfits.

Add em all up and somehow you have more revenue than a lot of subscription based games.

As for selling power, that depends on your definition. Higby has already confirmed that players will be able to purchase certain weapons in the shop. If you consider that to be selling power, even if you can earn those guns and even if they aren't overpowered, then I'm afraid you are out of luck, because PS2 will absolutely be selling power based on that definition.

Considering that all of the variants in the game are sidegrades and that you will be able to unlock the vast majority, if not all of the variants through skill tree advancement and/or random drops, I don't consider it selling power at all. Selling convenience and shortcuts maybe. Power, no.

[Zulthus]

I'm personally just curious of how weapons are going to 'drop'. I sure hope it isn't loot from AI or chests.

[Xyntech]

I'm personally just curious of how weapons are going to 'drop'. I sure hope it isn't loot from AI or chests.

Someone mentioned having arbitrary ammo pickups, that replenish a little ammo for any weapon, dropping from dead enemies, with weapon drops happening occasionally as well. I would imagine he's pretty close to accurate. Much of anything else would be pretty lame.

[Zulthus]

Well, I think that would be fine, but the player should always drop the weapon he's carrying. If a players you killed had a 1/4th chance to drop a Jackhammer of Accuracy when he's holding a Gauss, that doesn't sound like something that would work. Which is kind of what I'm getting from that.

[Tide]

just wondering if i'm crazy or not because i've been contacted by gamestop automated message system, saying that "the game's production has been canceled", or something along those lines. "please show up to use your store credit towards something else.... blah blah"

Going into gamestop to figure out what the hell that was about tomorrow, but has anyone heard anything similar to this?

[Zulthus]

Bro, there's already a thread on this with the same title.


http://www.planetside-universe.com/forums/showthread.php?t=38237

[Xyntech]

The game is F2P (no box price), so there is nothing to preorder. Please use the other thread for expressing any panic or doom and gloom over the game having no box price.

[Tasorin]

Cheaters using aim bots and pixel sniffers are going to be a problem in a true F2P model. SOE probably won't exercise the resources it takes to actually continually monitor and ban the level of cheating that will take place with free accounts and game.

Two words. "Damn Cheaters"

[Baneblade]

I'm imagining Steam. It would make sense and be pretty cool.

NO

I will not play PS2 if it is only available on Steam. Impulse, okay. Steam is not optional.

[Zulthus]

I'm with most others on this one, though. I really think the game needs a box price/serial key. It doesn't have to be $60, maybe $30. F2P after that. That would dramatically cut down on all of the hackers while quickly replenishing the funds lost on the development of the game. Even though some may prefer it, I hate not paying for a good game. (Not sure how to explain it) but for me it just feels cheap. (not monetarily)

[Aractain]

I will not play PS2 if it is only available on Steam. Impulse, okay. Steam is not optional.

Your not okay with steam but your okay with gamestop?

[SuperMorto]

Should maybe add a little to the title of this thread, is a little bit miss leading.

[Baneblade]

Your not okay with steam but your okay with gamestop?

I'm okay with Impulse.

Steam is invasive.

[Crator]

Check out this post made by SOE about cheating in DCUO:

FROM: Cheating? (http://forums.station.sony.com/dcuopc/posts/list.m?topic_id=32009)

If you’re not playing by the rules, know that the fun you’ve had at the expense of our skilled players is coming to an end. We are in the process of actively and aggressively pursuing those you using third party software to cheat. We will track and find you, it’s only a matter of time. If you are casually trying out a “speedhack” or other cheat, I would strongly suggest you return to your regularly scheduled program now. There will be no future amnesty as we take the impact of this and its effects on our true players very seriously. If this is a way of life for you, I suggest you find another place to live.

Heroes and Villains of Metropolis and Gotham, you too can help us end this blight. As we grow our tools to track and end this, you can do your part of cleaning up the streets by reporting suspected cheaters, hackers and other miscreants using the procedure outlined below.

1. Go here: https://soe-ing.custhelp.com/app/ask/
2. Set Product to “DC Universe Online” or ““DC Universe Online PS3” , and the Category to “[DCUO] Community Standards”
3. Enter your Server (this should now be way easier!) and Character Name.
4. Enter the Subject as “Cheating”.
5. Enter as much information as you can in the Question field. In particular, location, player name, behavior witnessed. Be specific, saying someone is “cheating” or “speed hacking” is not as useful as reporting the specific actions they took that led you to this conclusion. There is no need to attach files. Please reference the “/Report” feature if you have used it to report the same incident.

It does work, but it’s not the only tool in our arsenal. Just know that we are listening, we are watching, and we are everywhere. Have a nice day.

-manderson and the DCUO team

[Hamma]

:thumbsup:

[Tasorin]

While I applaud the written stance of SOE on cheating in there current F2P model for DCUO, the written word is only a part of the equation. Implementation, pro-active hunting, and effective results are the other part of the equation.

To add to that, geometry hacks, like a speed hack or a Z-axis hack, or teleporting are relatively easy to detect and punish the offenders. Pixel sniffing and other more subtle cheats that directly impact the viability and integrity of a twitch FPS are on a different level then geometry hacks.

Step in the right direction, but my expectation with a true F2P game is that the ability to cheat until banned, and then create a new account, then rinse and repeat is going to be a serious problem until SOE gets a handle on the finer subtlety of the cheats you can expect to see.

I am not going to promote the site by naming it, but I think those of us who have been around for a while and been fighting hackers and cheaters know what site and the ilk we are talking about.

[MgFalcon]

While I applaud the written stance of SOE on cheating in there current F2P model for DCUO, the written word is only a part of the equation. Implementation, pro-active hunting, and effective results are the other part of the equation.

To add to that, geometry hacks, like a speed hack or a Z-axis hack, or teleporting are relatively easy to detect and punish the offenders. Pixel sniffing and other more subtle cheats that directly impact the viability and integrity of a twitch FPS are on a different level then geometry hacks.

Step in the right direction, but my expectation with a true F2P game is that the ability to cheat until banned, and then create a new account, then rinse and repeat is going to be a serious problem until SOE gets a handle on the finer subtlety of the cheats you can expect to see.

I am not going to promote the site by naming it, but I think those of us who have been around for a while and been fighting hackers and cheaters know what site and the ilk we are talking about.

I just read this short article about 700 EQ1 users being suspended for hacking. (http://www.videogamer.com/pc/everquest_ii/news/soe_suspends_700_everquest_users.html) So this is what SOE looks like finally cracking down... I like! Clearly EQ1 is just the start, lets say it's their "test" to soon migrate on their larger, more current titles.

[Mirror]

Check out this post made by SOE about cheating in DCUO:

FROM: Cheating? (http://forums.station.sony.com/dcuopc/posts/list.m?topic_id=32009)

They said something similar when the cheating started in Planetside. How did they fix it? They disabled the free trials because they couldnt fix the problem.

If cheating gets to the level that it did in Planetside 1 then Planetside 2 will fail faster than APB or whatever it is called.

[Crator]

They said something similar when the cheating started in Planetside. How did they fix it? They disabled the free trials because they couldnt fix the problem.

If cheating gets to the level that it did in Planetside 1 then Planetside 2 will fail faster than APB or whatever it is called.

PS1 wasn't built on a F2P model.

[Raymac]

They said something similar when the cheating started in Planetside. How did they fix it? They disabled the free trials because they couldnt fix the problem.

If cheating gets to the level that it did in Planetside 1 then Planetside 2 will fail faster than APB or whatever it is called.

First wave of EQ1 suspensions is more current than Planetside Reserves program, so in this situation I think the more current data is more accurate.

Plus the EQ suspensions is part 2 of putting people on notice. First was a public warning, now they suspend a substantial number they've caught cheating which is basically a second warning of "we told you, now the rest of you better stop now or you're next".

You are absolutely right in that if cheating is rampant then the game will be dead faster than you can say Jackie Robinson, but more importantly the devs know this too. While eliminating all cheating is just as impossible as eliminating all crime, as long as they police it, it should be fine.

[Sifer2]

PS1 wasn't built on a F2P model.


What difference does it make? If there is no penalty for cheating or being banned. Then there is nothing to stop hackers period. An initial buy in price attached to creating a new account at least imposes some penalty. Every ban cost the hacker 50 bucks or whatever the price of the game is. With this F2P model every ban cost the hacker nothing. They will laugh at the ban an just make a new account to continue their fun.

The fact it was a problem with PS1 free accounts and SOE hasn't learned from it is the worst sign. Everyone seems to be taking it on faith that SOE has found some really good way to deal with cheaters. When no game in history has that i'm aware of. They are banned but they return with new harder to detect hacks. And if its F2P they just return instantly.

[none]

What difference does it make? If there is no penalty for cheating or being banned. Then there is nothing to stop hackers period. An initial buy in price attached to creating a new account at least imposes some penalty. Every ban cost the hacker 50 bucks or whatever the price of the game is. With this F2P model every ban cost the hacker nothing. They will laugh at the ban an just make a new account to continue their fun.

The fact it was a problem with PS1 free accounts and SOE hasn't learned from it is the worst sign. Everyone seems to be taking it on faith that SOE has found some really good way to deal with cheaters. When no game in history has that i'm aware of. They are banned but they return with new harder to detect hacks. And if its F2P they just return instantly.

+1 my friend. F2P is great in theory if done correctly. The cheater/hacker issue is always a problem in PC gaming. I've played and beta tested a lot of games over the years and I can tell you that F2P is the dream of cheaters. There is NO punishment. Sure you loose the account your using, but cheaters don't care about stats. All they want is to troll and piss people off.

On the other hand if you need to cough up money upfront, even $20, this is less the case. I barely encounter cheaters on games you need to pay for upfront(good server Admin's is always a bonus) as you need to invest money.

F2P will open the door to more players which means big battles. I love that, but SOE better build a kick ass anti-cheat system or the game with flop. Punkbuster won't cut it. Also, Admin's/Mod's and lots of them.

[xSlideShow]

+1 my friend. F2P is great in theory if done correctly. The cheater/hacker issue is always a problem in PC gaming. I've played and beta tested a lot of games over the years and I can tell you that F2P is the dream of cheaters. There is NO punishment. Sure you loose the account your using, but cheaters don't care about stats. All they want is to troll and piss people off.

On the other hand if you need to cough up money upfront, even $20, this is less the case. I barely encounter cheaters on games you need to pay for upfront(good server Admin's is always a bonus) as you need to invest money.

F2P will open the door to more players which means big battles. I love that, but SOE better build a kick ass anti-cheat system or the game with flop. Punkbuster won't cut it. Also, Admin's/Mod's and lots of them.

Didn't stop hacking in PS1.

[none]

Didn't stop hacking in PS1.

I didn't say upfront cost = ZERO cheating.

Come on buddy...

[xSlideShow]

I didn't say upfront cost = ZERO cheating.

Come on buddy...

But no cost auto means that cheating will be ramped?

Come on buddy...

[none]

But no cost auto means that cheating will be ramped?

Come on buddy...

Yes actually. Like I said, People cheat/hack for the fun of trolling. Not because they enjoy the game.

[xSlideShow]

Yes actually. Like I said, People cheat/hack for the fun of trolling. Not because they enjoy the game.

Your right,100% because every other F2P game has hacker problems. LoL, Global Agenda, etc. Silly me.

[Raka Maru]

Just use the established financial system to verify identity. When little Johnny gets banned after using all Grandma's credit cards, he's done.

Require CC, Paypal, or whatever to verify identity. This resolves the tracking of ip addys, Mac addys, etc...

Can still be free or 1cent charge.

[Hamma]

They said something similar when the cheating started in Planetside. How did they fix it? They disabled the free trials because they couldnt fix the problem.

If cheating gets to the level that it did in Planetside 1 then Planetside 2 will fail faster than APB or whatever it is called.

PS1 wasn't built on a F2P model.

This is a key point.

But not only that, it is a game that was developed in the late 90's early 2000's. They probably had little to no anti-hacking ability or monitoring tools built in. I'm sure that PlanetSide 2 will be developed with that in mind. These days little kid hackers and asshat people can download cheats freely so they can feel better about themselves. It's almost mainstream.. developers have to design games with that in mind now.

[RadarX]

The production of Planetside 2 has of course not been cancelled. All these means is there no current distribution provided through Gamestop.

[Zulthus]

The production of Planetside 2 has of course not been cancelled. All these means is there no current distribution provided through Gamestop.

I think he's hinting that there will be distribution in the future. Hopefully a CE.

[Ailos]

I think he's hinting that there will be distribution in the future. Hopefully a CE.
Put it in their catalog NAO. I want to give you muh moneh!