I honestly think the current trailer should be deleted. [Archive]

Erendil

2011-12-21, 10:59 PM

They just need a NEW trailer :D

Yep. that first one looks like it could be just another generic 16 vs 16 multiplayer FPS, with a few planes doing flyby's at the end that for all people know could just be a cinematic cutscene.

We need a new combined arms trailer, one that shows off the scale of the game and demonstrates exactly how epic a 3-way war can be....

They could start with a bird's eye view of a wing of Mossies flying in to assault that one Amp Station just like this screenie (http://www.planetside-universe.com/media/viewer.php?img_id=1676). Then have several manned wall turrets open fire on them from far below, followed by a few Reavers flying up from the base to intercept. Meanwhile, down below rages a large tank battle with Prowlers, Vanguards, and Lightnings dancing around, and infantry taking pot shots at the Prowlers from atop the base walls.

Then they could cut to a wing of Scythes and Magriders hiding behind a distant ridgeline, silent, waiting for the right moment to join in the fray... Then the command is given, and the view changes to a shot from the base as, off in the distance, a V-line of Scythes pops up over the ridgeline, sun at their backs, and the camera zooms in as the Scythes scream ominously towards the battle, followed by the Magriders spread out in a long line below....

Finally, the 3 empires meet, in the skies above and on the ground below the walls of the base....

That is the kind of trailer they need. :cool:

Hamma

2011-12-21, 11:44 PM

Yea good idea they should delete the only video trailer we have.

:huh:

As mentioned we just need new stuff. No need to delete the old.

Of all the things I've seen posted on PSU lately, this one makes the least sense.

I do not want to tell anyone about this game because they're going to form a bad first impression because of it.

What why? Because you think the trailer sucks? :lol:

Lonehunter

2011-12-21, 11:46 PM

No reason to delete just need some new. I know what you mean though. Myself and a few buds from PS1 giggle like schoolgirls when we watch it, but I just don't think it's enough to interest someone who won't be nostalgic.

SKYeXile

2011-12-21, 11:47 PM

make new video with lots of players...in beta. :)

Marth Koopa

2011-12-22, 12:02 AM

What why? Because you think the trailer sucks? :lol:

Yes, the trailer is HORRIBLE. It shows severely incomplete gameplay, barely any content, and not much of what makes PlanetSide unique.

If there aren't going to be any GOOD trailers any time soon, this abomination of a trailer we have now should be deleted before too many people get a terrible first impression.

People are going to be flocking to the front page of the PS2 site, see the trailer, and their first impression will be "this looks like garbage".

RadarX

2011-12-22, 12:17 AM

Yes, the trailer is HORRIBLE. It shows severely incomplete gameplay, barely any content, and not much of what makes PlanetSide unique.

If there aren't going to be any GOOD trailers any time soon, this abomination of a trailer we have now should be deleted before too many people get a terrible first impression.

People are going to be flocking to the front page of the PS2 site, see the trailer, and their first impression will be "this looks like garbage".

It's still really early and some video to huge PlanetSide fans is better than no video at all. When the time is right to start promoting to those who are less familiar with the brand, I think you'll find more impressive things available media wise.

Keep in mind the Devs aren't remaking PlanetSide so what you'll be seeing more of is what makes PlanetSide 2 unique. Hang in there. More is coming.

Death2All

2011-12-22, 12:24 AM

PlanetSide music video - YouTube

This was the best trailer I saw for PS and it was fan made. Surely SoE can do better....Right? Right?

SKYeXile

2011-12-22, 12:43 AM

PlanetSide music video - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1I1VJcnNGXE)

This was the best trailer I saw for PS and it was fan made. Surely SoE can do better....Right? Right?

UI on, not really that good.

Death2All

2011-12-22, 01:26 AM

UI on, not really that good.

Yeah, that was a little off putting when he's trying to show off landscapes and the minimap and crosshair's are still on the screen.

Strangely he has his chatbox turned off though.

FIREk

2011-12-22, 03:08 AM

Yea good idea they should delete the only video trailer we have.
:huh:
As mentioned we just need new stuff. No need to delete the old.
Of all the things I've seen posted on PSU lately, this one makes the least sense.
What why? Because you think the trailer sucks? :lol:

He makes a lot of sense, actually. Most of the trailer is good, but SOE should edit out the "massive" parts and replace them with something that doesn't look crap.

I mean the "massive battle" between one NC player with his 30 NC bot friends against 30 VS bot enemies. I think it appeared twice in the trailer. All bots were identical in standard armor and with identical heads, and they behaved like bots - moving randomly, bumping into each other etc.

In my opinion that's the only part that makes the trailer look bad and, as far as people unfamiliar with PS1 are concerned, the trailer doesn't promote PS2 too well, since it was made for the likes of us.

And, while I see RadarX's point, I believe PS2 is getting quite a bit of "new blood" attention now and seeing 30 "players" flailing about on the battlefield may not be the best way to show how great this game is gonna be. ;)

Canaris

2011-12-22, 07:28 AM

Bruttal

2011-12-22, 08:00 AM

I think that there should be a contest during beta for best game footage Emailed to them so it's not put up on Youtube and brake the NDA.

Contest could include anything from station cash (assuming thats how we will be buying stuff in ps2) to Video cards and Whole systems.

deltase

2011-12-22, 08:40 AM

I think new trailer is a 'Must'! The new one should let us see more from the game than the old one and of course with more explosions hehe..

FastAndFree

2011-12-22, 09:21 AM

Senyu

2011-12-22, 09:27 AM

It's still really early and some video to huge PlanetSide fans is better than no video at all. When the time is right to start promoting to those who are less familiar with the brand, I think you'll find more impressive things available media wise.

Keep in mind the Devs aren't remaking PlanetSide so what you'll be seeing more of is what makes PlanetSide 2 unique. Hang in there. More is coming.

Thanks for releasing a video for foot in door advertising and as you said showcase for the huge Planetside fans. I think I'm right to say EVERYONE on this forum does appreciate it espically when it came out and thank you for the time to create one targted a bit more for the fanbase.

Guys, of course their going to come out with a better trailer. Stop raging on the video they gave us and look forward to the next one. It just might be a trailer showcasing all of us in beta.

Hamma

2011-12-22, 09:30 AM

Indeed! And thanks RadarX for the post :)

I agree with Senyu - there is no need to rage on the trailer. It does not suck and if people are so narrow minded to turn away from PlanetSide 2 because of the first trailer they ever released well then good riddance.

We know more is coming.. we have seen voiceovers getting recorded in some kind of SOE studio so it's just a matter of time.

EVILoHOMER

2011-12-22, 09:36 AM

Senyu

2011-12-22, 10:08 AM

I never saw a single Planetside video that managed to capture the scale of the games battles, when recording you realise you're only seeing a small amount of people on your screen. I really wish there was a way to have 1000 players on the screen at once and it being natural for PS2.

S'why I think they need a dynamic shifting trailer. In english (and not what pops in my head) Trailer following vehicle driver, vehicle explodes, camera shifts to the aircraft the shot it to the guy who shot the aircraft to the sniper who shot the AA guy the the medic healing him the the max shooting people and......Idk a almost seemless transition showcasing all the roles and finally ends with a zoom out pan to a RTS top view of the entire battlefield showing how massive it is.

Coreldan

2011-12-22, 10:26 AM

I don't think it still could really do the trick. Even if you manage to show enough of one battle, you still need to cover the idea that this isnt some instanced battleground, this is a planet-wide war. The guy driving the ANT to keep bases up is important too, he may be kilometers off that battle.

The CE/FDU engi that is bolstering the neighbourbases defences is damn important too if the attack fails and they need to retreat and get attacked instead.

I've spent a lot of times trying to figure out how to shortly show the scale of the game in like max 5 min video, but it always leaves something to desire. Planetside is just a game you need to experience. Showing the stuff Senyu suggested is done by many games out there, for example BF3. But this game is nothing like BF3, you know :D It would REALLY have to catch the grand scale of things.

We know more is coming.. we have seen voiceovers getting recorded in some kind of SOE studio so it's just a matter of time.

WTB "Incoming MAX units!" from T-Ray :D

Crator

2011-12-22, 10:29 AM

Search for "Planetside Unparalleled" :)

This is one of the best PS1 vids that does a really good job at showcasing the game! Not certain it shows scale much but something with this same format that does show scale for a PS2 vid would be the shit.... Always loved it and get chills every time I watch it!

"Planetside Unparalleled" vid link:
Planetside: Unparalleled

ringring

2011-12-22, 10:40 AM

I never saw a single Planetside video that managed to capture the scale of the games battles, when recording you realise you're only seeing a small amount of people on your screen. I really wish there was a way to have 1000 players on the screen at once and it being natural for PS2.
We have a video up there.......

1. Base (VS apm station) under seige by TR, TR cannot get into the CY. Lots of people and projectiles going every which way. VS AA maxes shooting up into the sky with long plasma trails.
2. My outfit (*running an event) roar in with 25--30 reavers ... blasting the base.
2. Red October do a double gal drop onto the roof -- which gets orbed and the droppers land.

OK. It was PS1 and that small episode in the vid did show truly massive gameplay that PS was all about. One of the jaw-dropping moment. But I wonder, unless you actaully played PS and already understood the game, could you view the scene described above and really comprehend?

Nephilimuk

2011-12-22, 11:23 AM

nah the trailer is ok and keep it to show evolution. It will soon fade once new media releases go online and focus switches. I also agree with the sentiment that anyone who does not try a game (free to play) because of the first trailer should be banished to COD IXIIVMM forever.

Draep

2011-12-22, 01:32 PM

I honestly think the current thread should be deleted

Raymac

2011-12-22, 03:36 PM

I can't help but be reminded of what T-Ray said during the Fan Faire when the trailer was first released. He told us that after awhile we would be wondering why they ever released that trailer because the game was going to be looking so much better.

Well, here we are.

Considering the pics we've seen so far, I'm really looking forward to the next trailer.

Marth Koopa

2011-12-22, 11:43 PM

It does not suck and if people are so narrow minded to turn away from PlanetSide 2 because of the first trailer they ever released well then good riddance..

So what you're saying is you want PlanetSide 2 to fall flat on its face because nobody is going to play it if they're not even going to try it because all they saw was a shitty trailer?

Xyntech

2011-12-23, 01:04 AM

So what you're saying is you want PlanetSide 2 to fall flat on its face because nobody is going to play it if they're not even going to try it because all they saw was a shitty trailer?

He's saying that very few people would be turned off by something like that, and if a few are, fuck em. It's not like PS2 would be losing anyone great that way.

The trailer isn't brilliant and it doesn't capture the scope of the game, but it does get across a little bit of the feel of the game. It's only really a letdown for people who know PS1's scale and awesome potential. People who don't know Planetside are going to look at it and either think "cool, I'll keep my eye on this thing" or "Meh, not interested." In the case of the latter, their mind may change when they see another trailer in the future.

The game isn't going to succeed if nobody sees the newer trailers. Hopefully they can do something really impressive and it will go viral. At that point, it wont matter if somebody was unimpressed with the original trailer.

On the other hand, if nobody watches the new trailers, it won't matter how good they are or how well they represent the game. They need to be viewed to be effective.

So no, the trailer really won't hurt the game. Just think of it as filler for the time being. A bit of basic game assets in motion to offset the static screenshot images.

Really, that trailer isn't a horrible representation of Planetside either. Aside from being an extremely early development build, that could easily be one of the common, smaller fights in Planetside. I know we all want to get the word out about the most important, most unique aspect of Planetside 2, it's huge scale, but it doesn't have to be all about that 24/7. Some people may get interested in it just because it's a sci fi shooter.

Marth Koopa

2011-12-23, 01:40 AM

He's saying that very few people would be turned off by something like that, and if a few are, fuck em. It's not like PS2 would be losing anyone great that way..

"Thousands" isn't a few.

You're forgetting that the average Joe Gamer is going to completely shrug something off if the first thing they see isn't mind blowingly awesome.

Graywolves

2011-12-23, 04:00 AM

SOE Community Manager?

Are we training the official forum mods now?

Hamma

2011-12-23, 05:57 AM

"Thousands" isn't a few.

You're forgetting that the average Joe Gamer is going to completely shrug something off if the first thing they see isn't mind blowingly awesome.

And you're forgetting just because Marth Koopa doesn't like it doesn't mean every gamer doesn't like it.

Also nice work pulling numbers out of thin air - you should go into politics. :lol:

SOE Community Manager?

Are we training the official forum mods now?

RadarX is working with Virrago on PlanetSide 2 community management :)

CuddlyChud

2011-12-23, 08:00 AM

That wasn't really a trailer so much as it was a teaser. As a trailer, yeah its pretty awful. It really does look like a generic sci-fi boxed arena shooter. But it was obviously meant more like a teaser, coming after 3 months of nothing. I'm sure people were starting to get concerned that PS2 was vaporware.

I think they should just label it as a teaser rather than a trailer. Most teasers are nothing more than a very short cgi clip.

Trolltaxi

2011-12-23, 08:57 AM

LongBow

2011-12-23, 12:02 PM

Honestly I see a lot of "we need a new trailer" ...sure but not now ... right now we need devs working on the game, you would be amazed at the amount of damage trailers, E3 or other such events can do to a games release date...

personally I want the game ... not a pritty picture of what the game will be like =D

SgtMAD

2011-12-23, 12:28 PM

I think SOE didn't plan to rebuild the planetside2.com site and didn't intended to start beta registration this early, but being so successful on the tentonhammer vote they couldn't afford to loose the attention with the old and simple site + they had to add something that people can take serious, so they placed the beta registration button.

Minimum effort, maximum effect.

this is completely wrong,there is testing going on right now but you don't know about it due to not being invited/NDA issues.

go back and read the old threads about the original PS beta,we are not very far off the line of events that led to PS being released,SOE started the beta sign ups in Nov'02 but had issues right out of the box so the schedule got pushed back with the real beta starting Jan and into Feb, March saw the start of open beta(I got in then)then the May release.

now everyone can start with the "it's not the same timeline" crap but remember this, the first time SOE tried this,the tech was right at the cutting edge of on-line gaming,a lot of those issues that held up the beta last time are not an issue this time around due to the tech being an almost decade older and SOE has some experience dealing with on-line games now.

I think that if everything runs smoothly and there isn't any game engine breaking faults discovered we see PS2 May/June '12 with the anniversary date as the actual goal.

inigma

2011-12-23, 01:10 PM

Yep. that first one looks like it could be just another generic 16 vs 16 multiplayer FPS, with a few planes doing flyby's at the end that for all people know could just be a cinematic cutscene.

We need a new combined arms trailer, one that shows off the scale of the game and demonstrates exactly how epic a 3-way war can be....

They could start with a bird's eye view of a wing of Mossies flying in to assault that one Amp Station just like this screenie (http://www.planetside-universe.com/media/viewer.php?img_id=1676). Then have several manned wall turrets open fire on them from far below, followed by a few Reavers flying up from the base to intercept. Meanwhile, down below rages a large tank battle with Prowlers, Vanguards, and Lightnings dancing around, and infantry taking pot shots at the Prowlers from atop the base walls.

Then they could cut to a wing of Scythes and Magriders hiding behind a distant ridgeline, silent, waiting for the right moment to join in the fray... Then the command is given, and the view changes to a shot from the base as, off in the distance, a V-line of Scythes pops up over the ridgeline, sun at their backs, and the camera zooms in as the Scythes scream ominously towards the battle, followed by the Magriders spread out in a long line below....

Finally, the 3 empires meet, in the skies above and on the ground below the walls of the base....

That is the kind of trailer they need. :cool:

That's what the beta is for.

Marth Koopa

2011-12-23, 02:32 PM

And you're forgetting just because Marth Koopa doesn't like it doesn't mean every gamer doesn't like it.

Also nice work pulling numbers out of thin air - you should go into politics. :lol:

I don't see you citing sources for your own numbers.

My numbers have a foundation: the fact that 99% of gamers are idiots and will not give a game with a crappy first trailer the time of day

GTGD

2011-12-23, 02:40 PM

Uh...yeah...for a minute long trailer, we have something that looks good and sparks interest.

The first PS fan trailer posted is garbage. Nobody is going to sit through 4 minutes, and the gameplay has all been sped up. It also shows some stuff people would be turned off by. Pretty sure there's a scene where a lib gets air camped. WHAT FUN!

The second one was better, although the font was way too tough to read.

But think about it this way. PS2 was originally going to be PS Remastered. When they decided to throw down some money and make a full-fledged sequel, they wanted to give fans something that would spark interest. Besides a bunch of nerds and fans of the first game, nobody really knows about this yet - the current trailer isn't for them.

SOE knows they need to market the shit out of this to avoid problems and get the message out there. They also happen to have more assets to apply to production than any of us, and you bet your ass they are going to use it on the first trailer they release to the masses.

I'm sure they will make a wonderful trailer that showcases scale, but they need to have enough people to show scale first. Once alpha testing with the dev team, the QAs, and family/friends happens there will at least be a whole legion of players to show that off. And who knows, maybe they'll even capture some footage from all of us fragging together in the beta.

Ghryphen

2011-12-23, 02:50 PM

I don't see you citing sources for your own numbers.

My numbers have a foundation: the fact that 99% of gamers are idiots and will not give a game with a crappy first trailer the time of day

Dude, that is not a fact...thought it does appear you may know first hand.

What numbers did Hamma give that he needed to back up? Stop saying things out your ass dude.

"Because you say I need sources, you need sources to say my non-sources are false."

Figment

2011-12-24, 08:41 AM

The Planetside Ad by Marcopolo (http://video.google.com/videoplay?docid=-1880454872028901921#) was also a good example.

Marth Koopa

2011-12-24, 10:56 PM

I want this game to be a success... bad trailers are counterproductive to that.

If something is bad you need to tell people, not congratulate them for making bad things.

robocpf1

2011-12-24, 11:12 PM

If the only thing people look at when they check out Planetside 2 is that one 60-second clip, then I don't know what kind of gamer they are. If they aren't at least thorough enough to check the official website's FAQs, screenshots, news articles, wallpaper, lore, or ANYTHING, but base their entire opinion of the game on 60 seconds of what we know is pre beta edited footage, then I have nothing to say to them.

I don't know about everyone else, but when I check out a game and see if I want to play it, I go to the official website and try to track down a trailer. After I see the trailer (if we assume Marth is right and everyone who sees it will think it's terrible) and I think "not entirely sure I want to play this", I will go to planetside2.com and find all of the screenshots and FAQs and news articles.

Then I realize, if I haven't already figured it out, that the game is still pre-beta and more information is being released every day.

In fact, I find the opposite of the OP to be true. If I go look at a game and the ONLY information I see is a really cool trailer, with NOTHING else, I'm less inclined to worry about the game yet, though I might spot check it later. Generally speaking, a really cool trailer with lack of any other solid info is evidence of a bad marketing team or in the worst case vaporware, while there is so much information now on PS2 (especially with dev interviews and such) that it's bound to attract attention. Let us not forget the front page PC Gamer artwork.

Would I like another trailer? Yes, because it would include in-game footage we haven't seen yet, probably game features we can only drool at in this stage. I do not think, however, that the trailer we currently have is going to repel anyone. It is more of a "teaser" than a trailer. It was the first look we ever got of in-game PS2, at Fan Faire. This is not the trailer they are using to fully market the game.

xSlideShow

2011-12-24, 11:29 PM

No, it's not the only thing, but if Planetside is going to have some good lore. They need a good cinematic. It's a really great part of the game, and has definitely won me over on a lot of games I was thinking about trying. Halo and WoW both have great cinematic trailers.

It's not the only thing I look at when checking out a game, however, it can win me over. It can give you a very good impression of what the game feels like to play.