War is immenent

[Civilian]

As one of my new resolutions, I have decided to be an impartial reporter. Therefore, as part of this new resolution, I refuse to get involved in any war/anti-war discussions. But this is important, because this signals that a war may be no more thank weeks away.

The first sign is the "expelling" of Iraqi diplomats from the United States, which occured today. Here is a short blurb about it:

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmpl=story2&cid=540&u=/ap/20030306/ap_on_re_mi_ea/un_iraq_expulsions_3&printer=1

And the second is from the NYT, but Drudge as a bit of an early exclusive, which is located here:

http://www.drudgereport.com/bush.htm

It basically says President Bush was/is going to make a decision on whether the US will go forward with war plans, and that a definitive decision would be made tomorrow. As part of this decision, a speech is being prepared in which Saddam will be given a deadline to disarm, if he does not meet this deadline we could be prepared to attack within 48-72 hours after the deadline:

Plans for a major speech on Iraq next week by the president were under review. Bush might give Saddam a very short time period to disarm completely, perhaps as little as 72 hours, before military action... Officials said a number of options for fighting were now ready... Military officials said the president had been told that an attack against Iraq could be carried out within the next several days, the NEW YORK TIMES is reporting in its Page One lead on Thursday... Developing...

And as many of you know, the deployment of 250,000 troops in the middle east was completed this past weekend.

If you are a praying person, I would recommend praying for peace, but also pray for our soldiers and innocent Iraqis that will pay the ultimate price.

[Navaron]

I almost posted the Drudge thing a few times and thought better of it a few times. We'll know soon enough. It's a dark day regardless of your war stance.

[Confectrix]

Yes. It is. Let's all hope for the best.

[ABRAXAAS]

Yeah what ever happens it isnt going to be good

[Headrattle]

yeah, this sucks.
Make me kinda wish I didn't leave the military.
Not because I am a war monger. Not because I am for the war or want to see some action.
But because I still have so many friends in the military and I want to make sure they make it out ok.

Kinda hard to explain.

[MrVicchio]

Don't pray that we don't attack, or for the "innocent" Iraqis. Thats the wrong angle.

Pray instead that Saddam does what he's supposed to have done for the last 12 years, get rid of all his WMD.

That he leave sthe country...

Or better, that some harem girl of his slices his pecker off..

[ABRAXAAS]

Originally posted by MrVicchio


Or better, that some harem girl of his slices his pecker off..

no one deserves that ,well maybee exept rapists;)

[Mtx]

War is immenent...

*thinks*

5 aircraft carriers already in the area, 4th ID standing by with armor already there, 1st Cal shipping their armor and you are just now thinking war is immenent...

:rolleyes:

[Headrattle]

Touche' Mtx. Touche'.

[SandTrout]

We are going to war, I've known this for several months. The only questions there has been is "When?"

We are going to war very soon, there are more missions flying over the no-fly zones takeing out mobile missle sites on sight. I wouldn't be supprised if the morning news is about the war on Iraq tommorow.

I pray to whatever gods there may be for our millitary in and near Iraq.

[Mtx]

Originally posted by Headrattle
Touche' Mtx. Touche'.

I'm trying but you keep pulling back.

Don't be like that. Just relax.. this'll only hurt for a little while.

[Bighoss]

bah we're gonna help Iraq by bombing them that does the demolition for them then they rebuild from there. That's the problem with these countries when you bomb them there like THANK YOU FOR THIS UPGRADE:D

[Squeeky]

Another political debate thread :scared:

[Confectrix]

Squeek, come one man, you have to admit the best topics are on politics and religion.

Here's an idea. Don't read anything political. That way, what you don't see won't bother you.

I know, I'm being a smartass.

:p

[Gortha]

Hall�le MrVicchio

now i don�t wonder, u must be a ***..... *rotfl*
.... with your political opinions.

Could it be, that u think Sharon is a good man?
And do u think the only killers are the Palestinian Suicidekillers and not the Isreal Military?


Here something about your position in the world:

http://www.washingtonpost.com/wp-dyn/articles/A48303-2003Mar5.html

[KoldFusion]

Gortha,
You posted that link in another thread.... no need to post it again. BTW do you think calling mr.v a *** is going to get you anywhere but flamed or ignored? I hope the full force of BOHICA rules you :) I know what you are trying to do... but this holy than thou, european's are better stuff is not the way to go about it.

[Gortha]

@WRH_KoldFusion

www.jewishworldreview.com <---- this site is in Mr.V. signature....

well, now i think he must be a ***.... why calling someone *** is flaming???? Are u stupid? To be jewish is nothing terrible....

Gortha

[KoldFusion]

Gortha,
It was the way in which you worded it. I'm not going to get in a pissing contest with you. However, since you are calling me stupid let me point this out to you.... If you really believe that the inspections are working and the destruction of the missiles means that Iraq is complying then you are not only stupid but nieve sir (these are merely the cat and mouse tatics used by saddam before to split world opinion, Powell said it himself). The biggest obstecle facing the US is our own pride. You see... we HAVE the evidence.... but CHOOSE not to divulge it b/c it will leak some of our secrets. Do i feel we should present that evidence even at the expense of our secrets? Yes, some of it. You see this a critical point... and the longer we wait to produce this evidence the more it will be discounted by foolish Europeans nations (France, Germany, Russia) as fabricated. Just know that the US is right in this matter.... we have the proof....I have a hard time believeing that Powell is flat out lying..... You need to base you opinion on more than one article.... you can't believe everything you read... so you read multiple sources and pull the truth out. I have reason for know what I know about the intel BTW and I can't get into it.

[Gortha]

My dear WRH_KoldFusion....

if know the sitiuation.... and i think the US have no proofs... the whole world knows enough of the bad things post-US-Governments and CIA did.

U can not say "we HAVE the evidence", better say u THINK "they HAVE the evidence".

It is droll that u believe what Powell, Chaney, Bush, Blair & Co. are alleging. The whole world saw their "Proofs" and laughed about them and those guys from USA and GB who pulled them out. They where and are nothing. Just like a bad joke....

Believe me, i read really a LOT articles.... really.... i just posted this article because it is uncommon to find such type of article in english. I am German....

Gortha

[Hamma]

What more do you want them to fucking show?

Video tapes perhaps? What more evidence to we need. haha

[Mtx]

This is one reason why I didn't stay with the military.

I refuse to die for bullshit.

[mikkyT]

Agreed.

And Bush suxx0rs buxx0rs

[KoldFusion]

Gortha,
I should have figured you were french, german, or russian. You did not read my post very well... seeing how you can't type english you obviously can't read it well either. I will not re-hash my statements. I made my point. I have made many points in various threads and I will not waste anymore justifying the US position to you logically since you are not logical. I'm with Hamma. We not show more evidence. It is there it always has been. Three nations mentioned above have yet to realize that they are meaningless. Their time has passed and they can't accept that. I will not resond to you again. good day my dear gortha!

[Gortha]

muhaha... very funny.

I see i have beaten u... Flamer ;P

It is good to see, that the most people in the USA who have enough Brain are against the war and against Bush.... I am talking f. e. about the most of your Movie-Stars.

[KoldFusion]

1) You havn't beaten nothing... all you have done is post links to stupid polls which mean dick to me. You form your opinion off of polls you are merely conforming and not making your own opinion. Your a follower.

2) The movie stars mean dick. The only reason they are on TV and make the news is b/c they have a platform b/c they are famous.

3) you have not added one ounce of fact really. It is not flaming... it is merely stating my view of those countries circus act. I'm saying what many people think. I'm not politically correct never claimed to be.

P.S. You started the insults

[Mtx]

*firebat voice*

Need ah light?



:chomp:

[mistled]

Originally posted by Gortha
It is good to see, that the most people in the USA who have enough Brain are against the war and against Bush.... I am talking f. e. about the most of your Movie-Stars. Movie stars have brains?? This is how you try and decide an argument?? By bringing out the intellect of performing arts majors?? You could have at least pointed out some Generals or strategists or someone. But actors?? People who are paid to lie?? Give me a break.

Fusion, don't argue with Gortha. He's proven in the past to be someone who doesn't actually debate. He mainly insults the US President and claims that Saddam is somehow innocent because Gortha doesn't like Bush.

btw, how did Sharon even enter this??

*edit* - I just noticed that Israel isn't even mentioned in this thread, much less Sharon or even ****. Nothing like staying on topic there Gortha.

[KoldFusion]

I'm trying not to dignify him. I informed him I will be ignoring him. I have made my case.

[Confectrix]

Gortha:

Your English is quite good for a second (third?) language. I hope that Germany is doing well these past few months. It is my hope, the United States' hope that with time and proper logical thinking, Germany, Russia, Belgium and France will come around and see the depravity and gravity of the situation.

You ardently state well abound of your position that Iraq is in full compliance and therefore the US is essentially "war mongering." You also state that the US has not provided or proved any evidence regarding Iraq's noncompliance to UN resolutions or to Gulf Treaty.

Well, you're wrong. The evidence the US unvieled at the UN from the mouth of Colin Powell was directly showing Iraq's noncompliance. Hamma is correct in stating we have suplied photographic materials as well as taped conversations to the UN. All these were presented clearly and with much sincerity.

By the very fact of this evidence which shows Iraq is not complying gives the US and her allies the direct responsiblity as members of the UN to preserve its integrity and their own integrity but enforcing UN security council resolutions.

Iraq is in material breach of Resolution 1441 per the evidence supplied. That alone is enough to go to war. That kind of justification is minimal and very vauge however and this is why nothing militarily has occured besides the troop buildup.

Your current chancellor won the elction by directly running against our president's policy. While this is democratically viable, it is not acceptable for age old allies. Do not be suprised if the US decides to move her troops out of Germany and move towards Poland; which I might add, have less restricting regulations on training excersises.

Remember this well, fellow denizen, if Germany, Russia, France, and Belgium continue to alienate themselves from the rest of the world in the way they are so currently doing; they will follow the paths of many great nations whose decadence was caused by the blind and ignorant. I am sorry to say, but the four of you cannot stand on your own. You do need the rest of the world.

We respect your opinion as a member of the world. Now, be sure to expect and respect ours.

[Lexington_Steele]

Gortha, hear me out on this one.

Lets put US interests in this war aside for a second. Lets put most of the international communities interests aside aswell.

Lets put aside whether or not a war with Iraq is justified. Lets not talk about rights of soverignty for a moment.

Lets look very specifically at the people of Iraq and whether Saddam has been a good leader for them.

Are Saddam's people in a better economic position or have a higher standard of living position than they had ten years ago?

Do you feel that Saddam Hussein is good for his people?
(I am not talking about human rights violations, I am merely talking about doing what is best for his people).

Would you want Saddam as the leader of your country?

[Pilgrim]

Wow... Nice post Conf... long winded as always but very nicely put.

I'm anti-war myself, as anyone who's been in war (Gulf part 1) or has an ounce of common sense... probably is.

That being said...

I'm reminded of something my father said... Violence solves nothing... and violence begets violence, neither is an acceptable sollution... untill someone hits you in the face for the third or forth time, then you just gotta hit back.

Like it or not folks we got hit... now I'm all for taking all and any action necessary to insure that it NEVER happens again. If a country feels the need to sponsor Tyrany or terrorism, then I feel that we as victims have the right to make the cost of supporting those foul concepts so high that no one will ever be willing to support them again.

Let's be honest here, the French and the Germans have their own aggenda... Yipee what a shock, let them have it. It is high time that we as Americans stop bowwing down to the Europeans when it comes to our foreign policy. We've allowed them a free hand in our affairs for a century now and all it's led to is 2 world wars and lots of over political police actions.

This is about America, and our security from a mad man who publicly stated agenda is our destruction. I have no problem at all with hitting first.

Am I anti-war... of course no sane person isn't... but I'm pro-security.

So France, and Germany, and the rest of the UN can piss off just like we should have told the League of nations to do in 36.

Peace before War
War Before Terror.

PAX

[mistled]

Exactly.

[Lexington_Steele]

Originally posted by Hunter-R I'm reminded of something my father said... Violence solves nothing... and violence begets violence, neither is an acceptable sollution... untill someone hits you in the face for the third or forth time, then you just gotta hit back.[/B]

When has Iraq hit us? I know that we keep hitting them.

[Lexington_Steele]

Originally posted by Hunter-R
Let's be honest here, the French and the Germans have their own aggenda... Yipee what a shock, let them have it. It is high time that we as Americans stop bowwing down to the Europeans when it comes to our foreign policy. We've allowed them a free hand in our affairs for a century now and all it's led to is 2 world wars and lots of over political police actions.

It is not a good idea to alienate the international community. Why are their concerns any less valid than ours?

[Gortha]

@Lex

Hoi Lex,

yes Saddam is a son of a bitch.... sorry to use these words, but i do not know any better words in english for him.

No, i don�t want a Dictator as my leader.

But there are still other ways to disarm him.
There are also other ways to remove him... your Delta-Force is in Bagdad, i heared that from rumors...

@Hunter-R

Iraq never hit the United States of America... but as u said.... if u hit em they will hit back... as usaul. The US-Administration is on the best way to make more and more enemies... they are hitting the arabic-world. The US-Administration is helping Osama to get more support/Terrorists.

Greetz
Gortha

[Confectrix]

Gortha:

The current laws of the United States prohibit assasination or coup attempts against foreign nationals. Such things were deemed beneath US dignity; and rightly so.

I think the bulk of people today think the US wants Saddam out of Iraq. That is not what this is about. We only desire [demand] that Saddam disarm Iraq in accordance with UN security Resoultion 1441. If he complies, he will remain in power. If he does not, then the US will enforce those resolutions.

Secondly, you speak of enemies. The truth of the matter is, the US desires to enforce UN resolutions; and thereby ensure world stability. If we gain enemies by doing this; so be it.

Someone must take action. For it is by action peace is kept. Appeasement never works.

Warm regards,

[Subliminal]

I have the feeling that by thursday Jan 13th we will be at war with iraq. I have known since early january that this was coming. What I think it going to be interesting is too see if all of these machines of war that we've been looking for come out and attack us when we start the bombing of iraq. Maybe all the nay-sayers will realize how wrong they were to think iraq was telling the truth, Maybe all of those saying that he has weps of mass desruction will bite their tounge when he doesnt fight back. Ware is pretty worrying especially when you going agaist a country who may or may not have weapons of mass destruction.

[Lexington_Steele]

Originally posted by Confectrix

The current laws of the United States prohibit assasination or coup attempts against foreign nationals. Such things were deemed beneath US dignity; and rightly so.

Do they prevent us from assisting groups who would assinate Saddam or start a coup? ;)

[Arshune]

Those aren't the "current" laws...the assassination thing was recently changed, and the US has been assissting coups throughout its entire history just about, we just don't do them ourselves.

[Confectrix]

Arshune:

The current laws do prohibit assassinations as well as coups by the United States government.

Whether or not we assist other coups or assassinations, [I doubt highly, if you knew] is beyond my clearence. However, rest assured if one is caught, they will be persecuted.

The US learned along time ago that to acheive what is right; must be pursued in the right manner.

Assassinations and coups are a thing of the past.

[Navaron]

Actually we *can* assasinate Hussein. The geneva convention states that political officials can not be assasinated - however, Hussein was neither elected, nor considers himself a president. His title is president, however, it is a military rank and not a public office like we think. We can kill military leaders all day long. Hell we waxed Japanese Generals by the dozens.

[Confectrix]

It seems the United States has once again moved to take the lead in this terrible tradegy of events. Secretary of State Powell stated today [03/09/03] that a March 17th deadline has been erected and the US has no plans of changing this date. If Saddam does not comply by the aforesaid date the US would use "military force" to disarm Iraq.

Powell stated: "by March 17th (Hussein) will be seen to have lost his last chance to comply and I think everyone knows what that means... it's time to force compliances with the use of military force."

Powell also stated that if France vetos the deadline, the US would push ahead anyway whilst relations between the two countries would be "seriously" affected.

Looks like Saddam has until next Monday.

You can read the full article here:

http://www.newsmax.com/archives/articles/2003/3/9/144208.shtml

[Lexington_Steele]

I wonder what kind of deals Powell is offering to to the smaller members of the UN on order to get their votes.

We obviously have Spain, US, and GB. 3 down 6 to go.

[Confectrix]

You can forget the other three.

[Mtx]

Originally posted by Confectrix
It seems the United States has once again moved to take the lead in this terrible tradegy of events. Secretary of State Powell stated today [03/09/03] that a March 17th deadline has been erected and the US has no plans of changing this date. If Saddam does not comply by the aforesaid date the US would use "military force" to disarm Iraq.

Powell stated: "by March 17th (Hussein) will be seen to have lost his last chance to comply and I think everyone knows what that means... it's time to force compliances with the use of military force."

Powell also stated that if France vetos the deadline, the US would push ahead anyway whilst relations between the two countries would be "seriously" affected.

Looks like Saddam has until next Monday.

You can read the full article here:


He's just blowing smoke. While the 4th Infantry Divisions armor is in the area the 4th ID is still at Fort Hood. The 1st Cal is also still at Hood and both are the frontline fighters of the Army. So when I see them leave I'll know war is on its way. Till them they are just talking.