Censoring

[xSquirtle]

If there is one thing I must ask all developers, do not to enforce harsh censoring practices.

I understand that SOE has a company wide policy when it comes to profanity words.

But I do beg the development team and future mod's not to enforce it.

There's nothing more annoying then playing a game for several hours, essentially committing genocide to thousands of players, and getting muted or banned because I used the words 'Fuck' or 'Fuck you ass hole!'(essentially attacking another, even after he or she killed me or vise versus).

It simply does not add up in my opinion.:no:

Game is going to be rated teen+ right? Why not treat it as such!

[SKYeXile]

*This post has been removed by nelson muntz, reason: I'm a dick.*

[NivexQ]

If there is one thing I must ask all developers, do not to enforce harsh censoring practices.

I understand that SOE has a company wide policy when it comes to profanity words.

But I do beg the development team and future mod's not to enforce it.

There's nothing more annoying then playing a game for several hours, essentially committing genocide to thousands of players, and getting muted or banned because I used the words 'Fuck' or 'Fuck you ass hole!'(essentially attacking another, even after he or she killed me or vise versus).

It simply does not add up in my opinion.:no:

Game is going to be rated teen+ right? Why not treat it as such!

Agreed.

[Sirisian]

I hope they script it to ban people that swear or use profane language. :lol:

No, but seriously I remember playing Planetside 1 with older parents and they'd let their little kids play and join TS with us so it's important to keep things to a decent maturity. The last thing SOE wants is chat filled with a bunch of 13 year old screaming profanities on the open voice system and in the visible chat. I personally do not see the reason for profane language in a game.

Even on these forums sometimes when people use random swears when they get emotional it makes me think they're just little kids even though their profile says their over 30.

[Xaine]

So you're comparing committing 'genocide' in a video game, to sending messages to people in the game after you've killed them/they killed you - saying things like 'Fuck you asshole!'

Do i have that right?

Well, for a start. You're not actually committing genocide, you're playing a game. You raging at people in the game and swearing at them, calling them cunts, dicks etc is actually directed at another person. Not everyone likes being raged at.

[Graywolves]

I used profane words in PS1 I'm going to use profane words in PS2.


That's just who I am.

[Furret]

There are ignore lists for that purpose. But even still, make the language filter a toggle on or off, makes everyone happy.

[HitbackTR]

Profanity was a pre-requisite of hate tells in PS1 and was the source of much hilarity. Censorship against such profanity is counterproductive to my gameplay experience, (you fucking douchebags).

It was even funnier in command chat, i.e., "rawk out with your cawk out" on Markov TR circa 2003-2006.

[xSquirtle]

So you're comparing committing 'genocide' in a video game, to sending messages to people in the game after you've killed them/they killed you - saying things like 'Fuck you asshole!'

Do i have that right?

Well, for a start. You're not actually committing genocide, you're playing a game. You raging at people in the game and swearing at them, calling them cunts, dicks etc is actually directed at another person. Not everyone likes being raged at.

But you like being shot, killed, and anything else in between? Case and point, if your old enough to surround your self with video game genocide, then your old enough to handle a couple of choice words your way.

I hope they script it to ban people that swear or use profane language.

No, but seriously I remember playing Planetside 1 with older parents and they'd let their little kids play and join TS with us so it's important to keep things to a decent maturity. The last thing SOE wants is chat filled with a bunch of 13 year old screaming profanities on the open voice system and in the visible chat. I personally do not see the reason for profane language in a game.

Even on these forums sometimes when people use random swears when they get emotional it makes me think they're just little kids even though their profile says their over 30.

That is a fair argument, but if their parents do not care if they are playing games such as First Person Shooters; then that seems more of a parenting issue, then a FOS issue. So why would you want to demonize the whole community, because of those kids with parents that should automatically expect the worst out of these games.

[Rbstr]

I love BF3 servers that warn a ban language when in-game voice is highly profane.

"I'm getting fuck up the ass over here" ect.

[Marth Koopa]

I hope punishments for vulgar language are harsh and dealt out swiftly. Nothing is lamer than people who use foul language to seem cool and edgy.

Grow up and use real words

[Saintlycow]

I love BF3 servers that warn a ban language when in-game voice is highly profane.

"I'm getting fuck up the ass over here" ect.

Its so hypocritical

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=s0H_W155zKw

This always gives me laugh

[Warborn]

I hope punishments for vulgar language are harsh and dealt out swiftly. Nothing is lamer than people who use foul language to seem cool and edgy.

Grow up and use real words

Grow up and realize that vulgarity is a perfectly acceptable part of any language. Language would be a very boring thing without swearing.

[DayOne]

I hope punishments for vulgar language are harsh and dealt out swiftly. Nothing is lamer than people who use foul language to seem cool and edgy.

Grow up and use real words

Fuck Is a real word. It's also one of the most versatile in the English language.

Should you watch the video? Abso-fucking-lutely!

the word fuck - YouTube

[SKYeXile]

I hope punishments for vulgar language are harsh and dealt out swiftly. Nothing is lamer than people who use foul language to seem cool and edgy.

Grow up and use real words

Just a note: posting that swearing isn't cool, makes you the opposite of cool. (thats lame, not hot btw)

[Knocky]

Swearing is a maturity check.

If you swear, then you are still a child with zero self control.

[Zulthus]

Swearing is a maturity check.

If you swear, then you are still a child with zero self control.

If a cinderblock falls from a 20 story building and lands on my foot, I yell "FUCK" very loudly.

But yeah, I don't spam it like most people do in video games.

[Knocky]

If a cinderblock falls from a 20 story building and lands on my foot, I yell "FUCK" very loudly.

But yeah, I don't spam it like most people do in video games.


I would say "thank God" when it didnt land on my head and kill me....right after I screamed out "fuck me". ;)

Still though....there isnt a single thing that happens in a virtual world that would suprise those words out of my mouth, much less make me take the time to type them out.

[Xaine]

But you like being shot, killed, and anything else in between? Case and point, if your old enough to surround your self with video game genocide, then your old enough to handle a couple of choice words your way.



The game isn't real.

You raging at someone, calling them a fucking asshole and telling them to go and fuck their mother, is real.

You are directly insulting another person. You are not actually causing pain and suffering to pixels.

Now, having said that - i'm the first person to do this sort of thing. However, i can understand why its frowned upon.

[DayOne]

Swearing is a maturity check.

If you swear, then you are still a child with zero self control.

It isn't just black and white.

Saying "Oh shit, there's a thousand tanks over there!" isn't being immature.

Saying "You fucking ball sucking ***!" because you got killed is highly immature.

shades of grey...

[BloodySoul]

Dude i am all for letting MATURE ADULTS swear on WAR games. This isn't a Disney game for 10 year olds to get on. So here are a few things I want to get out to a few people.

-To Parents-
1) Don't let your kids play M rated games if you don't want them to think swearing is cool, or even gaining a habit of swearing.
2) If you looked at one and thought I am ignorant, then your an idiot.:love:

-To Smart Parents-
1) If YOU personally can't handle people swearing at you, or just simply to other people that you see in the chat box. /ignore (playername). Also, make the chat box so that only SQUAD or FRIENDS will show in it.

-To Gamers-
1) Yes swearing is part of the feeling towards the game, but there is seriously a limit. I don't need a freaking chat box full of profanity. If your goal in life is to annoy people then put your ass to the window while people walk by.
2) If you think that 1 contradicts what I said to the "Smart Parents" then you need to learn how to read outside the box. This is for when I want to know what is locally going on. Or in command chat. So Chill.

There are more as you should all know. Because you are thinking the same things. But these are my main points.:D

[Grognard]

Fuck Is a real word. It's also one of the most versatile in the English language.

Should you watch the video? Abso-fucking-lutely!

the word fuck - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=26UA578yQ5g)

:rofl::rofl::rofl: I am in pain now... I cant believe I laughed so hard...

[Death2All]

Very much agree with the OP.

An MMORPG and a FPS environment are very different, and they should be treated as such.


There should less of a tolerance and a harsher rule set for RPG games because it's a more laid back and calmer atmosphere.

FPS censoring should much more lenient, as you said, we're literally trying to murder each other day in and day out so a little venting is harmless. There of course should be a line that needs to be drawn. But it's fairly obvious to tell when someone is just venting and going overboard.


I've gotten silenced for 3 days for saying "If you kill the gen then I'll kill you". If a GM literally interrupted that as a death threat then SOE needs to loosen up a bit.


I recall another CR5 getting permanently silenced for saying something along the lines of "You blow the gen I blow you". It was construed as "sexual harassment". Get a grip.


Anyways, +1 for less censorship.

[Zenben]

I would say "thank God" when it didnt land on my head and kill me....right after I screamed out "fuck me". ;)

Still though....there isnt a single thing that happens in a virtual world that would suprise those words out of my mouth, much less make me take the time to type them out.

You've never played Dead Space or Amnesia, have you?

[Zulthus]

You've never played Dead Space or Amnesia, have you?

Dead Space isn't even relatively scary. You know what's going to happen, where it's going to happen, and when it's going to happen. It's waaay too predictable.

Amnesia, on the other hand...

http://images.sodahead.com/polls/000251361/polls_250807_fetal_position_2827_964551_answer_3_x large.jpeg

[Xaine]

Amnesia, on the other hand...

http://images.sodahead.com/polls/000251361/polls_250807_fetal_position_2827_964551_answer_3_x large.jpeg

I still wake up in a cold sweat. That game properly raped my mind.

I'm 6'2, i go boxing three times a week - and yet if i'm thirsty in the middle of the night, i will now NEVER go down those fucking stairs because i KNOW there will be some mutant, veiny, bloody, gaping monster down there ready to eat my face. The dark now fucking terrifies me.

Fuck that game, fuck my life.

[Fate]

I'm not a big fan of "zero" moderation, but I do think the current level of SOE Forum moderation is ridiculous. I'm talking about the profanity filter itself. It's been expanded to a crazy level that blocks some pretty innocuous words. As for in-game, just put a filter in, have it turned on by default, and then display a warning to the player when they turn it off. If they turn it off it should be off forever unless the player turns it on again.

[321]

No, but seriously I remember playing Planetside 1 with older parents and they'd let their little kids play and join TS with us so it's important to keep things to a decent maturity. The last thing SOE wants is chat filled with a bunch of 13 year old screaming profanities on the open voice system and in the visible chat.

A thirteen-year-old is already well acquainted with profanity.

I personally do not see the reason for profane language in a game.

The reason for profanity in a game is the same as the reason for profanity in any situation: it helps the person better express himself. If these words were unneeded, they never would have appeared in the first place or they would have fallen into disuse. It is you that chooses to consider them inappropriate.

[Vancha]

I've only ever visited the something awful forums once, to read a story about a bin-man, but I remember liking the way they implemented their profanity filter at the time.

With that in mind, I think the game should probably start with the profanity filter enabled and have a drop-down menu in the options that allows you to either choose the S/A-style option ("that's when the poo poo hit the fan and I thought "sweetly caress this!"") or to disable the filter entirely ("that's when the shit hit the fan and I thought, "fuck this!"").

As far as profanity itself, it's an art-form like any other use of language. If you just shit fuck cunt all over the piss flaps fuck forums, you're probably using it incorrectly, just as if you'd written the where then was why what they how got when like. The key is using it at the right times in the right way to give sentences that little extra kick when they deserve it.

[Captain1nsaneo]

This is one of the few times I agree with South Park's take on this issue:
http://www.southparkstudios.com/full-episodes/s05e02-it-hits-the-fan

tl;dw:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/It_Hits_the_Fan

tl;I'mALazyGit:
Saying a curse word too much makes it lose any value and makes it just another unpleasant noise like nails on a chalkboard.

[Livefire]

Profanity on/off option for chat and a warning message of possible profanity heard on the in game voice join, easy no moderation necessary.

[Canaris]

I'm Irish If I'm not swearing it's a good chance I'm dead

[AncientVanu]

I'm Irish If I'm not swearing it's a good chance I'm dead

well you can swear with your mouth but muting the microphone, that way at the same time you will be sure you're not dead and not spreading profanity in the server.

[mynameismud]

Wow...when did people become so fucking sensitive? A word hurts your feelings? A word? Get real man. If words hurt your feelings it is because you allow it hurt your feelings. One can call you a bunch of names or utter the most profane things you could imagine, if you become offended, it is only because you allow yourself to be so. These words have no effect on your well being.

Just reading some of y'alls thoughts made me think i was on the wrong website, thought i was on some forum for a barbie dream home getaway MMO from the way y'all sound. Y'all know this is a war game right?

I played the first planetside for years and we swore when applicable, life carried on, bases got captured, towers were wall humped in third person, some gens got dropped for no fucking reason whatsoever. Grow the hell up and grow a pair. "YOU CAN ACT LIKE A MAN, whats the matter with you?" -Don Corleone

I will not hold my tongue when expressing the way i feel to accommodate a different persons irrational fear of words.

[Redshift]

tbh i don't often call people a "fuckwit assclown" but if i did want to call someone a "fuckwit assclown" i'd damn well expect to be allowed.

Do what swtor does, profanity filter on by default with an option to turn it off. Profanity filters just get it wrong too often to be forced on people, "mm grape juice" "mm g**** juice"......

[RadarX]

I'm afraid this is a very unpleasant portion of our jobs. Most of our games have an optional profanity filter in game which avoids most of the issue. Voice chat can be turned off so that's not an issue either. If there are regular instances of racism, sexual harassment, etc... Customer Service will step in and take care of it. If ever in doubt, just call someone a douchebag and move on!

For the forums, I spearheaded an effort to get them consistent last year (Some sites censored the word "suck") and ensure it's only actual profanity. This unfortunately is not something we can bend on right now. We've done enough moderation and bans that we no longer feel anger, frustration, or joy. It will never be personal, just our job.

[Raymac]

It's about keeping it away from kids. (earmuffs) I think you should let people swear all they want on the private channels but keep the public channels censored.

There's a difference between swearing up a storm as you are in your own living room watching football with your friends, and saying the same things if you are actually at the game and there is some family with 8 year olds sitting right in front of you.

I think the first Planetside struck a great balance when it came to censoring, at least towards the beginning when it was actually moderated in a timely manner.

[Knocky]

Here is a compromise.

If you ABSOLUTELY, POSITIVELY, MUST curse, then you have to do so in English style with a Cockney accent.


i.e. "Bloody hell, that wanker TKed me."


:D

[Vash02]

If you dont like swear words, type /filter, problem solved. If you dont like the fact that people swear, welcome to the adult world, theres fuck all you can do about it.

[Canaris]

maybe we can make up a whole new generation of swear words for PS2, I'm willing to give it a go ;)

[Redshift]

It's about keeping it away from kids.

PS1 was rated teen, don't let 8 y/o's play it

On a side not if you think removing the swearing from a computer game is going to stop them sounding like sailors by the time they hit secondary school you're wrong. Parents can try to insulate them from it if they want but they'll fail, teaching them when it's appropriate or not is the only way.

[Firefly]

For a number of years I worked as a CSR for an online gaming company. I've probably banned some of you because you were a rule-breaking cocksucker. This is my take, from both a professional aspect and a personal aspect.

Online interactions are not rated by the ESRB. Playing a game rated "M" does not mean you can/should expect vulgarity. Each company crafts its own policy and it expects players to follow that policy. When you play SWTOR, you agree to follow their rules. Getting butthurt when you get suspended, warned, or banned and crying about censorship makes you look like a complete fuckwit. Don't like it? Don't play the fucking game, idiot.

Conversely - playing a game and expecting to hold hands and sing kumbaya makes you look myopic and dull-witted. Anyone who's ever spent ten minutes in an online game knows this is bound to happen. Getting butthurt when someone calls you a noob ****** makes you look like a nancy. Don't like it? Don't play the fucking game.

You have two options when you play an online game - disable the censor (if it exists) or don't disable it. You also have two more options when you play an online game - ignore the person or respond in kind. If you respond in kind and you violate the game's policy and you get reported, you're just as culpable. The end. Don't like it? Don't play the fucking game.

Side note: "there's a filter!" is not a valid excuse for using vulgarity according to most Customer Support policies. Failure to use the ignore feature when you get hate tells is your fault according to most CS policies because YOU control what content you have access to, not us. I can't place a player on ignore for you, and when you fail to do so, that's on you. Outfit/guild chat is usually ignored by CS because guild officers/leaders control/moderate who can use that channel. Most company policies only moderate (upon report) public chat. Most company policies do not include actively policing chat, so getting butthurt that some spammer is yelling "fuck you ***!" in region chat means you need to get a clue - CSRs/GMs generally have better things to do than sit in Sanctuary/Capital waiting for someone to use the word "******" or "retard".

From a personal standpoint, I think it's ridiculous to get butt-hurt about vulgarity. However, I also try to follow a game's established policy and in general, though I swear, I refrain from public displays of vulgarity. Hell, most times I turn off public chat.

Notice I swear. A lot. This does (did) not impede me from doing my job. You may hate the people who enforce the rules because in your own personal world you're the king and you can say fuck you, at will, to whomever you please. But as RadarX stated, it's not personal. You broke a rule. You got reported. We are/were obligated to take action. Yes, the rule may suck. But it exists because that's company policy.

Don't like it? Don't play the fucking game.

[AncientVanu]

From a personal standpoint, I think it's ridiculous to get butt-hurt about vulgarity. However, I also try to follow a game's established policy and in general, though I swear, I refrain from public displays of vulgarity. Hell, most times I turn off public chat.



^^ That sums it up pretty well for me.

The attention-hungry kids who want to demonstrate the new words they've learned around the 'hood by constantly spam-swearing are pretty annoying. Turn off the goddam chat and swear as much as you like, just don't spam the chat with your useless profanity.

[VioletZero]

I think the entire idea of banned words is stupid.

[Raymac]

PS1 was rated teen, don't let 8 y/o's play it

On a side not if you think removing the swearing from a computer game is going to stop them sounding like sailors by the time they hit secondary school you're wrong. Parents can try to insulate them from it if they want but they'll fail, teaching them when it's appropriate or not is the only way.

That's all besides the point. The right thing to do is just not swear in front of little kids whether they are "supposed" to be there or not. By your rationale, we should show porn to pre-schoolers because they'll see it eventually. That's asinine.

I think a language filter is pretty much a standard feature anyways, but there is no place for racist comments or sexual harassment.

[Firefly]

The attention-hungry kids who want to demonstrate the new words they've learned around the 'hood by constantly spam-swearing are pretty annoying. Turn off the goddam chat and swear as much as you like, just don't spam the chat with your useless profanity.
Exactly. This is why I do not play console games and I do not play games where any idiot with a microphone can transmit into my ear. The last time I played Global Agenda was the day I got into a match with my team and some 12yr old kid was screaming obscenities over the in-game voice chat. Maybe it's my fault somehow for leaving it on - I didn't actually know it existed because I play with a "guild" that uses Teamspeak, exclusively. So when this shrill-voiced little yappy-dog starts calling people every thing he could think of, I managed to turn my mike on and imitate him in my best falsetto Martin Price voice before I logged out and stopped playing. Shitty game anyway.

I'm all for saying fuck, shit, damn and cocksucker. I think it's an art form to be able to creatively swear so all these yokels crying about how it indicates a lack of intelligence can eat a dick. What I'm not for is having to wade through sixty lines of "fuck this" and "fuck you". So I generally turn it off and I generally /ignore hate tells. I have Teamspeak so I can listen to swears from people I know, except we don't actually end up doing it all that often.

And for the whole "but my kids play this game!" argument, I got something for you (I forgot you in my last rant). Letting your eight year old play DAoC unsupervised means you're a shitty fucking parent, dickhead. Blaming some troll 13yr old for sending a hate tell to your kindergartner means you're a stupid shitty fucking parent. I'm a parent. I know what goes on in online games. My kids will not play online games until I feel they're damn good and ready. Maybe it's draconian but I don't have to worry about sitting there watching them play. And when they do finally play, they'll learn what's appropriate and how to avoid/prevent inappropriate-to-me content.


That's all besides the point. The right thing to do is just not swear in front of little kids whether they are "supposed" to be there or not. By your rationale, we should show porn to pre-schoolers because they'll see it eventually. That's asinine.

I think a language filter is pretty much a standard feature anyways, but there is no place for racist comments or sexual harassment.
I agree completely. As much as I'm in favour of growing a spine, if there are kids playing I cannot in good conscience A) allow them into my outfit and/or B) use profanity in front of them.

[magnatron]

It's about keeping it away from kids. (earmuffs) I think you should let people swear all they want on the private channels but keep the public channels censored.

There's a difference between swearing up a storm as you are in your own living room watching football with your friends, and saying the same things if you are actually at the game and there is some family with 8 year olds sitting right in front of you.

I think the first Planetside struck a great balance when it came to censoring, at least towards the beginning when it was actually moderated in a timely manner.

im sorry what other peoples children hear in the mature video game i play is really of no concern to me, its not my job to raise your kids or set an example for them.

on top of the fact that there is vulgarity on the news, in commercials etc. and neither of those are a game focused on war, where in fact teaching kids its ok to indiscriminately murder others cause they are a different color than you (see what i did there). ok maybe murder is not the right word but you get my point.

with that said i think the best recourse would be the standard profanity filter that can be toggled, and if your child is not 17 years of age please make them play a different game. stop expecting a group of people that are armed to the teeth, low on Prozac and have total anonymity to care about what your child hears.

[Vancha]

By your rationale, we should show porn to pre-schoolers because they'll see it eventually.
Uhm, no. The most you can take from that is that porn shouldn't be removed from the top shelf in offlicenses.

Not to mention, profanity means nothing to a child. Words don't inherently hold any meaning, whereas pornography is far from conceptual.

[Raymac]

Uhm, no. The most you can take from that is that porn shouldn't be removed from the top shelf in offlicenses.


"Why not say it if they are gonna learn it anyways." = "why not let them see it if they will see it eventually anyways."

I don't want to turn this into a debate about censoring in society in general, but there is such a thing as common decency and I for one don't think it is completely dead, even on the internet.

[Firefly]

I think that my point of view, as a parent, has changed my entire outlook. When I'm in the company of kids under the age of, say, 16, I am incredibly careful about what I say. Especially if their parents are around. I don't know too many fellow parents who are different in that regard and I don't know too many parents who let their kids swear until they're much much older. I, for one, don't think it's cute when kids swear so I make an effort, out of common decency, to avoid contributing to that.

I don't want to turn this into a debate about censoring in society in general, but there is such a thing as common decency and I for one don't think it is completely dead, even on the internet.
I think anyone who thinks it's okay to expose kids to porn needs to be kicked in the fucking face. I basically grew out of the porn phase when I discovered it was more fun to get laid than to jerk off. So it got old rather quickly. I find myself not enjoying it if I ever come across it. And people with an obsession towards porn, I find boggling. Consequently, I don't want my kids exposed to porn until they're much older when they can make a conscious, informed decision. I do my hardest to raise my kids the way I think they should be raised, which means keeping them off the internet unless I'm monitoring them. I can't be everywhere at once and they're going to get it somewhere else at some point. So I can only prepare them and help the build their ability to know what's right, what's wrong, and what's acceptable. Now having said that... if you willingly expose my not-even-teenage-kid to porn, you're not only committing a felony but you're also going to be a dead motherfucker, and that's only after I fuck you in the ass with a broom handle.

And I appreciate your outlook on what I quoted, Raymac. Got off track. Sorry.

[Vancha]

"Why not say it if they are gonna learn it anyways." = "why not let them see it if they will see it eventually anyways."

I don't want to turn this into a debate about censoring in society in general, but there is such a thing as common decency and I for one don't think it is completely dead, even on the internet.
Yeah, letting them see it is not the same as actively making them watch it.

But this is getting redundant, agreed. The age group we're talking about aren't young enough to need to be sheltered from swearing. Not only will most kids have a full repertoire of profanity by age 11, but the novelty of senselessly swearing will long have worn off (it's the newfound novelty of anonymity that turns some of them into idiots).

You also seem to assume swear words are a violation of common decency. Personally I'd be more offended if people went out of their way to avoid swearing in front of me.

[Graywolves]

As stated before, ESRB doesn't rate online content for a reason and when you are online you as an individual control what content you want to see.

There's a filter you can use. If you are worried about your kids then that's on you as a parent, the world isn't going to walk on eggshells in fear of offending people. Most human beings don't, just because you find something wrong doesn't mean it is from every perspective.

If you can't live with certain types of other people around then don't be around them. It's very easy to do on the internet.

[ThGlump]

I dont have anything against swearing, those who overuse it only show they arent mature yet.
But i have problem with filters, with very strict filters. Those usually dont take other languages in mind, preventing to use chat in national outfits/squads. Try to say that something is south of here when it contains jiz as part of a word in my language, and whole sentence is ignored (yea one game was that strict).
Let you have your filters, but allow to disable it, or not use it in outfit/squads.

[Trolltaxi]

First: it's a game.
Seconds: it's played in teams.

Till this point I could as well speak about soccer or rugby or basketball. You aren't allowed to swear in any of these games. The ref may even send you to take a shower if he wants.

There is no good match without some random "fucks" involved (no, not way...). It's ok, it's adrenaline, it's your efforts ruined by a lucky bastard etc... It may be your empire zerging mindlessly for a lost cause base while you are doubleteamed on both homeconts... The least you can do is to spam the chat with your anger in an uncensored way. (Actually, it's the most you can do it seems... :( )

That's ok, no one will halt in his mental and physical progression just because that word (or the Finger during Superbowl - man, human stupidity still amazes me!).

But harassing others in hatetells, spamming the chat with profanity (or whatever), screaming in TS with that annoying pre-puberty high pitch voice reciting every interesting word he learned - now that's something that annoys everyone and it must be dealt with.

And remember Cyrano's Nose monologue. It's archaic and all, but there may be skill in those hate tells. Best thing to do with a primitive hate tell is to answer in a mature way but make sure his anger will increase with each turn. Then send the log in an appeal if you feel like! :)

[Aurmanite]

*Several posts of complete and total ownage*

You need to post more.

[Yelena]

DCUO is a fine example of over censoring. In that game, for example, it censored character names, normal words that were near other words and basically made such a mess of itself that it got in the way of perfectly normal speech.

Pity the guys whose actual names were censored so nobody could even speak to them, despite the character creation process allowing them to be chosen.

[Redshift]

That's all besides the point. The right thing to do is just not swear in front of little kids whether they are "supposed" to be there or not..

If you tell me your kids are next to you i probably won't swear. I'm sure we've all been on TS and had someone mention thier kids are in the room.

However if i'm swearing and you start bitching because you allowed your kids in the room knowing full well what might be there, well sorry but that's your fault.
Likewise if you allow your child to play an online game, again that's your fault if they're exposed to swearing.

[Lord Cosine]

Freedom of fucking speech, as long as there are adequate muting/ignoring options so I can quickly mute annoying people.

Oh and for the sake of our sanity limit broadcast range and make global chat a tough thing to unlock, otherwise you get the trollocom of general city chat.

[BloodySoul]

I HEREBY ANNOUNCE THAT EVERY WORD IS A SWEAR WORD AND OFFENDS ME IN EVERY MANNER! AS SUCH I HAVE OFFENDED MYSELF AND DEMAND ALL WORDS TO BE FILTERED AND WE SHOULD ALL TALK WITH EMOTICONS.

[Graywolves]

I HEAR BY ANNOUNCE THAT EVERY WORD IS A SWEAR WORD AND OFFENDS ME IN EVERY MANNER! AS SUCH I HAVE OFFENDED MYSELF AND DEMAND ALL WORDS TO BE FILTERED AND WE SHOULD ALL TALK WITH EMOTICONS.

:domotwak:

[Captain1nsaneo]

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Edit:
*Sigh* Post and then discover you had 4 other images that would have worked better. Such is life. Also, Hamma normally disapproves of this kind of shenaniganry which will help you understand what happened if several people in this thread get removed from the forums. Which would be most ironic given the thread topic.

[Mastachief]

Moderation on the official forums really worked............................................ .........*tumbleweed*............................. ..

[xSquirtle]

Nothing worse then the official forum moderation.

[nomotog]

I would like the PS community to be civil and polite well shooting each other. If such a thing is a impossible dream, I would like a minimum level be enforced by a profanity censor.

(Maybe have give it a on off button.)

[Firefly]

Asking for civility from neckbeard gamers in a military/war video game is like expecting Ft. Bragg hookers on GI Joe payday to give a military discount.

So fuck that, and shit cock damn ass!

[nomotog]

So ya, I think we will need the censor then.

[Effective]

This is how I feel about censoring

Steve Hughes - Offended - YouTube

[Redshift]

This is how I feel about censoring


i saw him in london the other day, second time, he's still fucking hilarious

[Graywolves]

Asking for civility from neckbeard gamers in a military/war video game is like expecting Ft. Bragg hookers on GI Joe payday to give a military discount.

So fuck that, and shit cock damn ass!

^

[Traak]

I have a better idea. How about the default is we DON'T see swearwords or their placeholders at all, which would leave much of the screen blank when you talk.

Then, if we felt some craving, some desperate need, to see obscenity-laden drivel on the screen, we could option it ON.

And have an auto-ignore function for people who used certain word combinations, too, that they used to bypass the sewer-mouth filters.

[Canaris]

heheh I just had an ideawhere everyone wins, instead of the usual **** that comes up when you swear, instead it changes the word to something else.



Angryman: /tell CampingN00b: "I'm going to bathing salt you right in the Nice bunch of flowers you camping Garden Gnome!!!!!

CampingN00b: /tell Angryman: lol WUT?

Angryman: /tell CampingN00b: SOE just trolled me..... :(

[Firefly]

I have a better idea. How about the default is we DON'T see swearwords or their placeholders at all, which would leave much of the screen blank when you talk.

Then, if we felt some craving, some desperate need, to see obscenity-laden drivel on the screen, we could option it ON.

And have an auto-ignore function for people who used certain word combinations, too, that they used to bypass the sewer-mouth filters.
Yeah, Captain Jesus, most games have this as a default setting. Relax, go back to hanging on your cross.

[Graywolves]

Angryman: /tell CampingN00b: "I'm going to bathing salt you right in the Nice bunch of flowers you camping Garden Gnome!!!!!

CampingN00b: /tell Angryman: lol WUT?

Angryman: /tell CampingN00b: SOE just trolled me..... :(

Best idea ever :lol:

[Captain1nsaneo]

Offending people stopped being a consideration when laws about assault and battery started to be enforced. For a quick example of what happens when they aren't enforced, I stopped flipping people off after I got shot for it. For a more on topic example, my history teacher in high school told us of one time he was having lunch in a park with some friends when a kid started running his mouth. A man ran over to the kid and started kicking his shit in. Afterwords my teacher went over and asked the guy what was going on. He replied that if the kid wanted to use adult language then he should be ready to take responsibility for the consequences.

[Mightymouser]

The thing I don't understand is that swear words are defined socially. If I were to say "pormong!" and you didn't understand it, you wouldn't take offense to it... but since everyone says "fuck" is a bad word, the entire world is like OOOOOOOOOOOH HE CAN'T MAKE THAT SOUND BECAUSE IT'S BADDDDDDD...... that's just fucking retarded... it's just another vibration created by my vocal cords.....

This is a rather silly stand point; obviously the words themselves aren't offensive. Whether spoken or written, it's not the sound waves or the arrangement of pixels that gives offense; it's the prearranged understanding of the meaning of the words that gives offense.

That is to say, if you use a swearword from a language I don't understand. That has no effect on me (obviously), except that which I can understand from your tone/body language. However, if you use a word which you and I both know is intended to give offense, then both you and I know you have just given me offense... That's the point of the words, and the point of society setting 'offensive' words apart.

Now obviously some words, in some contexts, have various levels of offensiveness. If I say, "This fucking Chinese food is delicious!" That's not meant to give offense, clearly. Now, if I say, "You fucking Chinese fucks are fucking bastards!" Clearly there the intention is to offend. Hence, the use is 'offensive.' Not because my vocal cords vibrated in a specific manner, but because I used words in a context which was understood by both parties to be offensive (assuming the 'Chinese fucks' understand English). That's basically a fundamental cornerstone of language, and society in general. This is also why I think kids shouldn't swear, as they are less likely to understand how to properly use words in an offensive/non-offensive context.


As for censorship in-game... I guess I'll be the one to say I get 'offended' by people spewing 'offensive' things in general chat. I'm not talking about someone using swear words, but rather people genuinely being offensive. (I think most of us here are capable of understanding the difference) For me, it comes down to the fact that I play this game for fun, I don't play it to deal with people spewing vile, hateful, bigotry, etc in a general chat channel. Sure I can /ignore, but let's not pretend that when someone's being disruptive in the channel it's just that one person, their shit takes over the whole channel, as everyone responds to them... So I certainly agree there should be moderation/censorship in games. War game or not, this is supposed to be a form of entertainment; and I don't appreciate having to deal with such shit as a side-effect of just playing a game I enjoy.

[Atheosim]

I think it should be a toggle.

[Mightymouser]

That is the intelligence, age and morals of the person, you're going to have douche bags in a game because there are douche bags in the real world. In a resturant if someone swears "fuck off you stupid bitch" people look but there is really nothing you can do but hang your head down at the waste of oxygen he is using, if someone says "fuck" out loud in the resturant, it is the same outcome. There is no magic censor button in public. Maybe in Demolition Man.... but not here ;)

I guess it depends on the culture. But where I live, if someone in a restaurant says "Fuck off you stupid bitch" loud enough for other people to hear it. Someone is sure as hell going to respond to it, and depending on who he's saying it to, the response might be the manager throwing the guy out; or a couple guys waiting for him in the parking lot....

[Firefly]

I guess it depends on the culture. But where I live, if someone in a restaurant says "Fuck off you stupid bitch" loud enough for other people to hear it. Someone is sure as hell going to respond to it, and depending on who he's saying it to, the response might be the manager throwing the guy out; or a couple guys waiting for him in the parking lot....
That's because (here in America, at least) public decorum and common sense still reign supreme. Nobody wants to hear that shit in a public place unless they're at a rap concert.

I certainly don't tolerate it if I'm managing some joint. Why? Because my customers didn't come to my establishment to pay to hear someone swearing. And management/ownership reserves the right to toss you out on their ass if you're being a cunt in public.