Identical: TR & NC Pistols

[Tikuto]

They are almost visually identical and I'm actually not so impressed by that...
:nono:


TR Pistol
http://i40.tinypic.com/2ee8xfm.jpg

NC Pistol.
http://www.planetside-universe.com/media/main/psnext/screenshots/20120207_4f31c6205d567.jpg

[Canaris]

well you do know that most NC stuff is just gear stolen from the TR or looted from poor civilans, no doubt a few things will look similar

[Graywolves]

TR one has that nice, rich man's, leather grip though.


And overall looks better.


I'd rather have a belt-fed revolver though.

[Wakken]

well you do know that most NC stuff is just gear stolen from the TR or looted from poor civilans, no doubt a few things will look similar

what he said xD

[Livefire]

They are almost visually identical and I'm actually not so impressed by that...
:nono:


TR Pistol
http://i40.tinypic.com/2ee8xfm.jpg

NC Pistol.
http://www.planetside-universe.com/media/main/psnext/screenshots/20120207_4f31c6205d567.jpg

Not any more similar then REAL pistols, I think the TR's is ugly and the NC is one of the most beautiful Pistols I have ever seen. I would like to find a way to MOD a real pistol to look like that.

Real Pistol similarity...H&K USP Pistol......SIG Pistol
http://www.gunshopfinder.com/hk/hk_usp.jpg
http://www.hyattgunstore.com/images/P/74312-P.jpg

[SuperMorto]

We need a gun dude in here to sort this shit out! Coreldan?.............

[Firefly]

Most pistols look the same. In fact the pistol design has changed little since Mister John Q. Semiautomatic designed the semi-automatic. It has a barrel, a chamber, a trigger, and a pistol grip where the magazine is inserted.

Funny how that works.

It's called efficiency of design.

OMFG DID YOU KNOW MOST REVOLVERS LOOK ALMOST THE SAME TOO?!?!?

[Ailos]

Most pistols look the same. In fact the pistol design has changed little since Mister John Q. Semiautomatic designed the semi-automatic. It has a barrel, a chamber, a trigger, and a pistol grip where the magazine is inserted.

Funny how that works.

It's called efficiency of design.

OMFG DID YOU KNOW MOST REVOLVERS LOOK ALMOST THE SAME TOO?!?!?

Yeah, most pistols look the same for the exact same reason that most cars look the same - I mean, they all have four wheels, two bright lights at the front and two red ones in the back...

On a side note though, why don't the NC have a revolver for our sidearm? Wouldn't this fit our "hit harder" philosophy?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/68/SW_Model_629.jpg

[Redshift]

On a side note though, why don't the NC have a revolver for our sidearm?
because believe it or not, NC aren't space cowboys

[BorisBlade]

beacause believe it or not, NC aren't space cowboys

Thats too bad cause space cowboys are much more awesome than corporate tools masquerading as freedom fighters.

[Firefly]

On a side note though, why don't the NC have a revolver for our sidearm? Wouldn't this fit our "hit harder" philosophy?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/68/SW_Model_629.jpg
I would prefer that the NC have the thunder-cannon version of the Mag-Shot, from Planetside - and I'm diehard TR. I loved looting that thing and using it when I was an infiltrator.

[DayOne]

They're...ummm...pistols. They all look similar!

As far as pistols go they are actually quite different.

[Tikuto]

Yea but I had in-mind of PlanetSide1 in comparison. Splatterpistol had like a slug pouch and the Repeater was, well, just normal. O_

[Firefly]

I still can't get over someone's idea for a fluff description that 9mm in a warzone with body armour is deadly.

I think SOE should hire a military consultant. Naturally I volunteer myself.

[SuperMorto]

Go and get yourself a lazer gun and stop this shit!

[Ailos]

Go and get yourself a lazer gun and stop this shit!

Since when did lightbulbs start bruning through armor?

More on topic, I kinda do wish we had more of a splatter pistol of our sidearm. I liked the idea that our handgun was a mineature shotgun.

[Firefly]

Since when did lightbulbs start bruning through armor?

World***39;s Most Powerful Handheld Laser - Review & Giveaway! - YouTube

/thread

[ThirdCross]

I'd be for a shotgun shot firing revolver for the NC. Of course the TR will get a belt-fed machine pistol :D

[Canaris]

I still can't get over someone's idea for a fluff description that 9mm in a warzone with body armour is deadly.

I think SOE should hire a military consultant. Naturally I volunteer myself.

Yeah but when you're packing 9mm depleted uranium armour piecing rounds it's all good, not about the size of the dog but the fight he has in him ;)

Make it so SOE

[Roradan]

NC as i remember is a three shot and ill be in a cloak suit shooting you all in the back in your base. 666 devil dog's freedom is are future

[Livefire]

I'd be for a shotgun shot firing revolver for the NC. Of course the TR will get a belt-fed machine pistol :D

I would be cool with that its called the Judge, fires .410 shot gun round or .45 cal round. That way it I could shoot both kinds of ammo I would have a short range and a medium range hand gun. ( My friend has one of these)

Judge
http://www.americanrifleman.org/Webcontent/gallery/149/2046Taurus_PLY_PDSS.jpg

[Coreldan]

Don't want a single stupid shotgun niche to NC, thanks.

[Jerry Husky]

Why not simply give the TR the AMP so they won't be too underpowered? >.>

[Juturna]

They are almost visually identical and I'm actually not so impressed by that...
:nono:


TR Pistol
http://i40.tinypic.com/2ee8xfm.jpg

NC Pistol.
http://www.planetside-universe.com/media/main/psnext/screenshots/20120207_4f31c6205d567.jpg

Dude they don't look anything alike. Considering they're both pistols what do you expect man? Also, they definitely do not act the same in game as one is fully automatic

[Pillar of Armor]

because believe it or not, NC aren't space cowboys

nah fuck that... space hillbillies :evil::rofl:

[TR Oakley]

There should be a futuristic styled barrel-revolver in the game for the TR.
With a "MOAR BULLETS" approach to it, like this:

http://static.fjcdn.com/pictures/Three_79d0cf_1986787.jpg

I'd instabuy it.

[The Kush]

Now people are making troll threads..

Are you fucking kidding?!

They look different you troll go cry somewhere else

[Sephirex]

You're right. Both of these guns look just like pistols from the same universe. We have a problem here.

[Atheosim]

Last post before necro: 2012-02-19

[MrBloodworth]

When you use the word "Identical" you can't follow it with "almost".

Words have meanings.

[SleepyZombie]

It makes sense those NC are a bunch of weapon thieving rebel scum.... Just saying... Stop taking our weapons NC go back to your stupid "jackhammers" and do some road work or something. I hear Exit 7B is in need of repair

Love Yooooouuuu

[Sephirex]

Last post before necro: 2012-02-19

WTF Jerry?!

[SleepyZombie]

Wha... I was involved in the resurrection of an old post? ....... I kinda feel wronged in some way

[Sephirex]

Wha... I was involved in the resurrection of an old post? ....... I kinda feel wronged in some way

Don't worry. We'll find the people who did this.


.....And they'll pay.

[SleepyZombie]

*sob* *sob* I need a shower.....

[Ratstomper]

On a side note though, why don't the NC have a revolver for our sidearm? Wouldn't this fit our "hit harder" philosophy?


THIS!

I want revolvers pls. They fit the equipment philosophy and aesthetic of NC quite well.

For instance:
http://i690.photobucket.com/albums/vv270/BeastOfDarkness4Eva97/Weapons/Guns/StixGunCustom.jpg

Or maybe something like the diamonback from Deus Ex?

http://images2.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20110120170425/deusex/en/images/6/66/Diamond_back_357.png

On a side note, I'm curious how one could design a revolver that used magnetic acceleration....Ah man, straight to the drawing board!!

[Sephirex]

THIS!

I want revolvers pls. :D

Let the necro thead return to it's peaceful slumber.

[Ratstomper]

Let the necro thead return to it's peaceful slumber.

Why? Obviously someone thought it was worth it to bring it back up.

[Sephirex]

Why not simply give the TR the AMP so they won't be too underpowered? >.>

Yeah, this guy.

[Ratstomper]

Yeah, this guy.

...

fine.

Though I still support badass revolvers for NC...

[Braveliltoaster]

they look completely different to me

[DukeTerror]

Nope, too late. This train is going to roll all the way until beta can occupy their time...

[Sephirex]

Nope, too late. This train is going to roll all the way until beta can occupy their time...

My only chance is to necro even more bizarre threads to put this one away. Time to find some early alpha footage and pretend its new.

[Ratstomper]

they look completely different to me

They only look marginally different to me. As compared to the beamer, which is in a whole different aesthetic category.

[RSphil]

well you do know that most NC stuff is just gear stolen from the TR or looted from poor civilans, no doubt a few things will look similar

what he said lol.

the NC gear is mostly looted and scavenged from where ever they can get it so id also expect a few similarity's. weapons of today are the same. some pistols from different countries look the same. doesn't bother me tbh. everything will look the same when we blow each other brains out and all we see is the darkness of death lol:evil:

[Sephirex]

They only look marginally different to me. As compared to the beamer, which is in a whole different aesthetic category.

Aliens.

[Ratstomper]

what he said lol.

the NC gear is mostly looted and scavenged from where ever they can get it so id also expect a few similarity's. weapons of today are the same. some pistols from different countries look the same. doesn't bother me tbh. everything will look the same when we blow each other brains out and all we see is the darkness of death lol:evil:

Easy, broski; put those emo goth feelings away. There is no death on Auraxis. :D

[RSphil]

:P lots of death but alot of rebirths :)

[SleepyZombie]

Nope, too late. This train is going to roll all the way until beta can occupy their time...

Oh God No!!!! How do I get off please? How do I get off this train:cry:

[AvacadoEight]

Well. You can't really make a " different " looking pistol. Its like playing Madden 2011, and then 2012, and expecting something different. They both do the same thing, you cant really do a lot to change them.

[Noivad]

The TR carry a modified GLOCK Model 17 with high precision barrel. Same one I carry in Real life. Standard load is 17 rounds - 18 with one chambered as I carry it. Simpleist to clean then the VS or NC versions. The Glocks history go back to a time they were first developed on earth.

I have 30 round clips for it as well.

http://www.famous-guns.com/glock-17/

The 9mm ammo has 35% more muzzle energy then 38 special, 10% more then the 44 special and rivals the the energy of a hot 45 ACP round. It has more persision at longer range then the 40 S&W or the 45 ASP rounds.

They meet the TR performance requirements for an ideal cartridge that must have bullet expansion of .50" (1/2 inch) or more, and at least 12 inches of penetration in bare and clothed ballistic gelatin. Bullet penetration should not exceed 18 inches depth. 12 to 15 inches is considered the ideal range.

With Armor piercing ammo its cuts through the heaviest NC and VS Armor.

Personally I use a 147 grain round Serated hollow point - excellent against the nc and vs.
It goes in and just rips and tears the flesh of my enemy. :evil:

Note the 9mm is equilvent to the 45 cal the NC tote but I can carry almost twice the ammo by weight. The VS lazers are never dependable, especially when there is no sun on a rainy day to recharge them.

[Ratstomper]

The TR carry a modified GLOCK Model 17 with high precision barrel. Same one I carry in Real life. Standard load is 17 rounds - 18 with one chambered as I carry it. Simpleist to clean then the VS or NC versions. The Glocks history go back to a time they were first developed on earth.


Oh geez. We got a gun nut here. :D

[Gonefshn]

If you mean they both look like pistols then yes they do look similar.

Honestly they look fine, what did you expect?

[sameer]

This is why I went with VS, because everything is different.

[JesNC]

I'd be for a shotgun shot firing revolver for the NC. Of course the TR will get a belt-fed machine pistol :D

I did love the PS1 ScatterPistol, although I think I'm the only one that felt that way :D

[Ratstomper]

I did love the PS1 ScatterPistol, although I think I'm the only one that felt that way :D

It was a pretty neat idea. I felt that we had enough shotgun with the JH though. :p

Ideally we'd want something with more range in PS2.

[Malorn]

Could make NC pistols into high caliber revolvers to give them a different look and feel.

Like the S&W TRR8 - 8 round .357 revolver with rails.

http://www.americanrifleman.org/Webcontent/images/2009-6/2009617112032-smithwestrr8_ms.jpg

Granted, it's a bit ridiculous with all those attachments, but just because it's a revolver doesn't mean you can't put rails and accessories on it.

[Ratstomper]

Could make NC pistols into high caliber revolvers to give them a different look and feel.
Granted, it's a bit ridiculous with all those attachments, but just because it's a revolver doesn't mean you can't put rails and accessories on it.

I've seen revolvers with built in rails under the barrel. They make scopes for hunting revolvers, don't see why they wouldn't make other top attachments.

The Smith&Wesson M&P R8, for instance. Although, I would want something more thematically appropriate looking...

http://www.smith-wesson.com/wcsstore/SmWesson2/upload/images/firearms/detail_md/170292_01_md.jpg

[Sephirex]

Although, I would want something more thematically appropriate looking...


Couldn't agree more.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41pywme7svL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

[Ratstomper]

Couldn't agree more.

http://ecx.images-amazon.com/images/I/41pywme7svL._SL500_AA300_.jpg

That looks more like a vanu weapon; overly complex and entirely non-lethal....

I don't know who painted it the wrong color.

[Sephirex]

That looks more like a vanu weapon; overly complex and entirely non-lethal....

I don't know who painted it the wrong color.

It is missing that NC flair(by which I mean total lack of), but I think the sophistication of the tech is spot on.

[pengalor]

The TR carry a modified GLOCK Model 17 with high precision barrel. Same one I carry in Real life. Standard load is 17 rounds - 18 with one chambered as I carry it. Simpleist to clean then the VS or NC versions. The Glocks history go back to a time they were first developed on earth.

I have 30 round clips for it as well.

http://www.famous-guns.com/glock-17/

The 9mm ammo has 35% more muzzle energy then 38 special, 10% more then the 44 special and rivals the the energy of a hot 45 ACP round. It has more persision at longer range then the 40 S&W or the 45 ASP rounds.

They meet the TR performance requirements for an ideal cartridge that must have bullet expansion of .50" (1/2 inch) or more, and at least 12 inches of penetration in bare and clothed ballistic gelatin. Bullet penetration should not exceed 18 inches depth. 12 to 15 inches is considered the ideal range.

With Armor piercing ammo its cuts through the heaviest NC and VS Armor.

Personally I use a 147 grain round Serated hollow point - excellent against the nc and vs.
It goes in and just rips and tears the flesh of my enemy. :evil:

Note the 9mm is equilvent to the 45 cal the NC tote but I can carry almost twice the ammo by weight. The VS lazers are never dependable, especially when there is no sun on a rainy day to recharge them.

One little problem, your precious 9mm has a tendency to pierce right through the target. A slower hollow-point round has more of a tendency to open up and cause more internal injury. This is dependent on the mass and speed of the target but for most times where you would use a pistol a .45 is going to give you greater effect on target.

On topic: The two pistols really looks nothing alike. They have the same basic shape of a pistol, that's about it. I also love the idea of a revolver for NC that someone brought up, something powerful with a slow rate of fire (hell, if they copied the .44 magnum from BF3 I wouldn't complain).

[Mr DeCastellac]

Just another reason to be VS.

[Gonefshn]

Just another reason to be VS.

:eek::cry::eek::cry: VS :huh::cry::huh::cry:

QFT

[Papscal]

Yep game breaker for me. 2 similar looking guns, shame SOE, shame.

[Noivad]

One little problem, your precious 9mm has a tendency to pierce right through the target. A slower hollow-point round has more of a tendency to open up and cause more internal injury. This is dependent on the mass and speed of the target but for most times where you would use a pistol a .45 is going to give you greater effect on target.

On topic: The two pistols really looks nothing alike. They have the same basic shape of a pistol, that's about it. I also love the idea of a revolver for NC that someone brought up, something powerful with a slow rate of fire (hell, if they copied the .44 magnum from BF3 I wouldn't complain).

1. First I never went off topic. This is a Gun Post - please read title.

There is a difference between the two weapons - all 3 in fact. The TR are known for having to shoot more rounds to effect damage then do the NC or VS. It is reasonable to infer that to do this they need a lighter round to be able to carry it. The 9mm fits.

2. The NC weapons are known for more stopping power at close range. More like a Shot Pistol then a round firing weapon. It was called the Scatter Pistol holding 8 shotgun shells. PS2 should keep it the same with a barrel mod for it to shoot lead slugs.

3. Its not my precious 9mm round, most of the world military, and police departments carry them. I also stated I use the Hollow points. It would be interesting to see if SOE has more then the two different types of ammo. (Standard White) or Armor Piercing Gold) they had in the orginal game.

4. My prespective is purely from a military standpoint. In my time with the Military, and some in civilian life, I have fired well over 300 different weapons from .177 to 40 mm rounds. I carried the m1911 - taught pmi and operated firing ranges as a NCOIC on many different weapons.

5. However if you are into the 9mm vs 45 Cal debate then this article is one of the best references for it. That you need to decide for yourself. If you ever get shot at in real life maybe you may change your preferences too.

http://joebarrett.wordpress.com/2010/07/05/9mm-versus-45-cal-you-be-the-judge-but-think-about-it-first/

Lastly to the indivual who refered to me as a gun nut. Maybe a "Weapons Nut" might be more accurate. If it kills or maimes, I've probally handled one.

I would not mind seeing crossbows come in to ps2. Hatchet and knife throwing for close quarter fighting as well. :evil:

[Ratstomper]

1. First I never went off topic. This is a Gun Post - please read title.

There is a difference between the two weapons - all 3 in fact. The TR are known for having to shoot more rounds to effect damage then do the NC or VS. It is reasonable to infer that to do this they need a lighter round to be able to carry it. The 9mm fits.

2. The NC weapons are known for more stopping power at close range. More like a Shot Pistol then a round firing weapon. It was called the Scatter Pistol holding 8 shotgun shells. PS2 should keep it the same with a barrel mod for it to shoot lead slugs.

3. Its not my precious 9mm round, most of the world military, and police departments carry them. I also stated I use the Hollow points. It would be interesting to see if SOE has more then the two different types of ammo. (Standard White) or Armor Piercing Gold) they had in the orginal game.

4. My prespective is purely from a military standpoint. In my time with the Military, and some in civilian life, I have fired well over 300 different weapons from .177 to 40 mm rounds. I carried the m1911 - taught pmi and operated firing ranges as a NCOIC on many different weapons.

5. However if you are into the 9mm vs 45 Cal debate then this article is one of the best references for it. That you need to decide for yourself. If you ever get shot at in real life maybe you may change your preferences too.

http://joebarrett.wordpress.com/2010/07/05/9mm-versus-45-cal-you-be-the-judge-but-think-about-it-first/

Lastly to the indivual who refered to me as a gun nut. Maybe a "Weapons Nut" might be more accurate. If it kills or maimes, I've probally handled one.

I would not mind seeing crossbows come in to ps2. Hatchet and knife throwing for close quarter fighting as well. :evil:

All that's fine. What you're neglecting to take into account is the visual discrepancies between the empires. It's one of the very things the dev team were stressting was the different aesthetics for the empires. Saying "Well, one is a 9mm and one is a .45" is not the same thing as having two separate visually striking pistols. Anyone who is NOT a gun person (I've handled my share of guns, I understand) won't accept that as a viable reason. The weapons in planetside are NOT realistic. They're fantasized versions of guns and that's what makes them cool. So, while the guns aren't identical, they look very similar in form and that's something that, while not a deal breaker, makes one wonder why.

As far as calling you a "gun nut", it wasn't because you were making your point, it's because you thought it relevant to shoehorn your totally awesome real life pistol and it's super lethal ammo into the discussion. I just fail to see how it was relevant.

[Rat]

for some reason this ratstomper guy makes me a bit uneasy

[Sledgecrushr]

One little problem, your precious 9mm has a tendency to pierce right through the target. A slower hollow-point round has more of a tendency to open up and cause more internal injury. This is dependent on the mass and speed of the target but for most times where you would use a pistol a .45 is going to give you greater effect on target..

Big slow rounds like the .45 and hollowpoint rounds of almost every caliber are worthless against body armor.

[Papscal]

Big slow rounds like the .45 and hollowpoint rounds of almost every caliber are worthless against body armor.

Ya worthless if you hit the armor. Body armor in a test environment is much different than in battle.

[Ratstomper]

for some reason this ratstomper guy makes me a bit uneasy

Keep your nose clean and we'll get along fine. :D

(between you and me, Me and the rats buried the hatchet years ago...)

[Accuser]

Really, the NC pistol SHOULD have been a revolver.
Revolvers always hit harder than a similar caliber semi-auto because the bullet's energy isn't being used to cycle the action. Plus, it's natural to have a lower ammo capacity in a revolver than a semi-auto.

So it would naturally have more power and fewer rounds than its TR counterpart... that's 100% NC. I hope they get around to changing it to (or at least giving the option of) a revolver at some point.

[vVRedOctoberVv]

Well, most guns are different mostly in an aesthetic sense. I mean... All bolt actions have basically been the same since 1894 or something... Once automatic weapons had the kinks worked out of them by the mid 1940s, they are all pretty much variations of the same things, too. Since 1960, there pretty much has not been any "improvements" on firearm technology persay, it's just a matter of tradeoffs. Want more accuracy? Tighten it up a bit, congratulations, you designed something similar to an AR. Want more durability/less susceptibility to dirt? Loosen it up a bit, congratulations, you designed something similar to an AK.

-edit


Also, they're not "almost the same". The TR pistol is quite clearly cooler and better designed.

[Bags]

NC pistol looks cool imo.

[Ratstomper]

Well, most guns are different mostly in an aesthetic sense. I mean... All bolt actions have basically been the same since 1894 or something... Once automatic weapons had the kinks worked out of them by the mid 1940s, they are all pretty much variations of the same things, too. Since 1960, there pretty much has not been any "improvements" on firearm technology persay, it's just a matter of tradeoffs. Want more accuracy? Tighten it up a bit, congratulations, you designed something similar to an AR. Want more durability/less susceptibility to dirt? Loosen it up a bit, congratulations, you designed something similar to an AK.

-edit


Also, they're not "almost the same". The TR pistol is quite clearly cooler and better designed.

That MAY be the case, but this takes place some 500 years in the future. It stands to reason the TR may be using combustible ammo cartridges. The NC use experimental systems and magnetic acceleration to power their guns. They could have made something FAR cooler and distinct than something that looks like a bigger, blockier TR pistol.

[Kriegson]

Obviously the amazing, badass, utterly manly handcannon capable of womanizing as an inanimate object New Conglomerate MagShot is a far superior and largely incomparable piece of craftsmanship as opposed to the insignificant TR peashooter of men with small genitalia and erectile dysfunction.


~ This post was made with absolutely no faction bias what-so-ever!

[pengalor]

Big slow rounds like the .45 and hollowpoint rounds of almost every caliber are worthless against body armor.

Neither would the 9mm. Most body armor you're going to want to rely on a heavier round if you want to get through it guaranteed.

1. First I never went off topic. This is a Gun Post - please read title.

There is a difference between the two weapons - all 3 in fact. The TR are known for having to shoot more rounds to effect damage then do the NC or VS. It is reasonable to infer that to do this they need a lighter round to be able to carry it. The 9mm fits.

2. The NC weapons are known for more stopping power at close range. More like a Shot Pistol then a round firing weapon. It was called the Scatter Pistol holding 8 shotgun shells. PS2 should keep it the same with a barrel mod for it to shoot lead slugs.

3. Its not my precious 9mm round, most of the world military, and police departments carry them. I also stated I use the Hollow points. It would be interesting to see if SOE has more then the two different types of ammo. (Standard White) or Armor Piercing Gold) they had in the orginal game.

4. My prespective is purely from a military standpoint. In my time with the Military, and some in civilian life, I have fired well over 300 different weapons from .177 to 40 mm rounds. I carried the m1911 - taught pmi and operated firing ranges as a NCOIC on many different weapons.

5. However if you are into the 9mm vs 45 Cal debate then this article is one of the best references for it. That you need to decide for yourself. If you ever get shot at in real life maybe you may change your preferences too.

http://joebarrett.wordpress.com/2010/07/05/9mm-versus-45-cal-you-be-the-judge-but-think-about-it-first/

Lastly to the indivual who refered to me as a gun nut. Maybe a "Weapons Nut" might be more accurate. If it kills or maimes, I've probally handled one.

I would not mind seeing crossbows come in to ps2. Hatchet and knife throwing for close quarter fighting as well. :evil:

First, I never said you went off-topic I was simply separating the second part of my reply as being in response to the original post. No need to get offended there, sparky : P.

I also don't remember implying that the guns were similar at all or that a 9mm wouldn't be a sensible round for the TR weapon. In fact, a 9mm round would make perfect sense considering the footage shows it as a sort of machine-pistol and as such a 9mm would probably be ideal.

2) I don't disagree at all, I didn't play PS1 so I didn't know the specifics of the pistols in that game. I would love to see a .410 style pistol (or some bullshit futuristic design, doesn't need to be found in reality). Was just saying that a revolver style weapon would certainly fit the ideology of the NC.

3) I was just poking a bit of fun with the whole 'precious' thing, seemed like you had a bit of a hard-on for that round, that's all ; ). I would love to see a number of different rounds, the more the merrier, all calibers and purposes. In fact, I've been particularly interested in seeing some sort of AT/AM rifle for the Infiltrator, probably a pain in the ass to implement but I digress. It seems they've at least got some different style underslung grenade rounds, let's hope they bring that same fervor to rifle rounds.

Keep your nose clean and we'll get along fine. :D

(between you and me, Me and the rats buried the hatchet years ago...)

You buried the hatchet along with the rats' dismembered carcasses?

[vVRedOctoberVv]

Obviously the amazing, badass, utterly manly handcannon capable of womanizing as an inanimate object New Conglomerate MagShot is a far superior and largely incomparable piece of craftsmanship as opposed to the insignificant TR peashooter of men with small genitalia and erectile dysfunction.


~ This post was made with absolutely no faction bias what-so-ever!


If you weren't already a treasonous bastard, I'd have you tried for treason!

[Baneblade]

True, the NC Pistol's barrel should be larger... 10 gauge at minimum.

[Ratstomper]

2) I don't disagree at all, I didn't play PS1 so I didn't know the specifics of the pistols in that game. I would love to see a .410 style pistol (or some bullshit futuristic design, doesn't need to be found in reality). Was just saying that a revolver style weapon would certainly fit the ideology of the NC.

PS1 didn't have any specifics on ammo types. All that was known is that NC used a lot of magnetic acceleration and of course VS has their plasma weapons. It's one of the reasons I think bringing up caliber is a silly thing to do in the first place.

You buried the hatchet along with the rats' dismembered carcasses?

Only the TR and VS ones.

As an FYI "Ratstomping" is an archaic verb for being sneaky or underhanded. It eventually gained a context of getting into trouble in some way (In sort of a rascally, good-natured kind of way). Nothing really to do with rats, furries or any other stuff that people have suspected.

[NMnine]

Really, the NC pistol SHOULD have been a revolver.
Revolvers always hit harder than a similar caliber semi-auto because the bullet's energy isn't being used to cycle the action. Plus, it's natural to have a lower ammo capacity in a revolver than a semi-auto.

So it would naturally have more power and fewer rounds than its TR counterpart... that's 100% NC. I hope they get around to changing it to (or at least giving the option of) a revolver at some point.

Not goona lie, I would love a fat revolver for the NC. Good thing is that with the f2p model, its VERY likely they will add something like this at some point. Yeehaw!

Off topic: It always freaks me out a little when you Americans talk about what gun you "carry". Don't you guys think its weird to walk around with a gun? o.O well whatever :)

[Ratstomper]

Off topic: It always freaks me out a little when you Americans talk about what gun you "carry". Don't you guys think its weird to walk around with a gun? o.O well whatever :)

Not as weird as you might think. There are definitely scary people out there that shouldn't carry guns by the way they talk. I've heard some people talk about their "everyday carry's" lethality with a gleam in their eye. However, the vast majority of concealed carry (and even more open carriers) seem to be decent and very levelheaded people.

Also, most people do not carry in the U.S.; I never really had a reason to, so I don't (also not fond of the hoops you have to jump through). I know people who have jobs in potentially dangerous places and professions (non police and military) and they carry as a matter of safety.

"A gun is like a tourniquet; you hope you never need it, but when you do need it, you need it very badly."

[TheDAWinz]

Not as weird as you might think. There are definitely scary people out there that shouldn't carry guns by the way they talk. I've heard some people talk about their "everyday carry's" lethality with a gleam in their eye. However, the vast majority of concealed carry (and even more open carriers) seem to be decent and very levelheaded people.

Also, most people do not carry in the U.S.; I never really had a reason to, so I don't (also not fond of the hoops you have to jump through). I know people who have jobs in potentially dangerous places and professions (non police and military) and they carry as a matter of safety.

"A gun is like a tourniquet; you hope you never need it, but when you do need it, you need it very badly."

Almost everyone i know carries a concealed weapon XD Imagine if someone went into a Starbucks with a m-16 strapped on them.

[Ratstomper]

Almost everyone i know carries a concealed weapon XD Imagine if someone went into a Starbucks with a m-16 strapped on them.

There was a story a while back where a starbucks served an open carrier. No problems were had. The man was polite. The business was done. No threatening or untoward things happened and people were still up in arms (so to speak) about it. Starbucks pretty much said "Sit down and shut up guys".

It was pretty cool of them.

[Malorn]

I've seen revolvers with built in rails under the barrel. They make scopes for hunting revolvers, don't see why they wouldn't make other top attachments.

The Smith&Wesson M&P R8, for instance. Although, I would want something more thematically appropriate looking...

http://www.smith-wesson.com/wcsstore/SmWesson2/upload/images/firearms/detail_md/170292_01_md.jpg

That's actually the same revolver as the one I linked. The top rail is detachable on the R8 (used to be called the TRR8).

Revolvers for the NC could add a nice style to them. Though I don't think it's worth redoing the gun models and adding new animations for loading the cylinder.

And then there's the bit about how suppressors don't work well with revolvers. However, nanites...

[Ratstomper]

That's actually the same revolver as the one I linked. The top rail is detachable on the R8 (used to be called the TRR8).

Revolvers for the NC could add a nice style to them. Though I don't think it's worth redoing the gun models and adding new animations for loading the cylinder.

And then there's the bit about how suppressors don't work well with revolvers. However, nanites...

I thought they looked similar on second look. I wanted one that showed the rail under the barrel, though.

It IS probably a little late to be asking for it (and that makes me sad). :(

EDIT: Setting your game centuries in the future gives an added bonus of the fact you can pretty much BS whatever made up technologies you want. I mean, we've got hover tanks and undeath...

[TheDAWinz]

There was a story a while back where a starbucks served an open carrier. No problems were had. The man was polite. The business was done. No threatening or untoward things happened and people were still up in arms (so to speak) about it. Starbucks pretty much said "Sit down and shut up guys".

It was pretty cool of them.

*guy pulls up in a T-55 fully armed* Yeah, can i have a mocha frap?

[pengalor]

PS1 didn't have any specifics on ammo types. All that was known is that NC used a lot of magnetic acceleration and of course VS has their plasma weapons. It's one of the reasons I think bringing up caliber is a silly thing to do in the first place.



Only the TR and VS ones.

As an FYI "Ratstomping" is an archaic verb for being sneaky or underhanded. It eventually gained a context of getting into trouble in some way (In sort of a rascally, good-natured kind of way). Nothing really to do with rats, furries or any other stuff that people have suspected.

Fair enough on the calibers. I just think it would add that tiny bit of extra variety, having them as their own attachment class that could say, increase damage vs. armored target but weaken against standard infantry, that sort of thing.

As for the name, say no more. I can't count all the times people have tried to figure out my name, much less the amount of times people have tried to say or type it and gotten it completely wrong. My favorite was someone who called me 'pregnator'.

[Accuser]

Off topic: It always freaks me out a little when you Americans talk about what gun you "carry". Don't you guys think its weird to walk around with a gun? o.O well whatever :)

Personally, my parents were both police when I was growing up. They'd come home, put their gun belt on the table, and help me with my homework. It was natural because a gun is just a tool that increases the effectiveness of the user.

I think some people get hung up on guns' killing power, but its a pretty unfair and irrational. Guns are generally used to incapacitate an aggressor (even in war), and the vast majority of gunshot victims go on to live long and happy lives. A knife is much more effective at killing than a pistol in many situations, but has avoided the same hollywood-driven stigma. I certainly don't like the idea of living in a place where the physically strong are able to victimize or kill the weak, simply because the weak don't have the proper tool to defend themselves (even though I'm living in a place like that atm...)

[DukeTerror]

Is everyone 100% sure that the NC don't already get a revolver as an option for a pistol? The one video with them looking at the cert loadouts and classes showed TR with 3 different pistols. They all looked the same but that could have just been placeholder thumbnails on the weapon screen for all we know. They don't seem to be afraid to have a lot of weapon models.

[Accuser]

Is everyone 100% sure that the NC don't already get a revolver as an option for a pistol?

No one is sure of anything, and if they were sure of anything, they surely couldn't tell us. That said, I think we can only hope they put them in. I don't want to use them, I don't even like revolvers. But they're so perfect for NC, it'd be a shame not to have them.

[WNxThentar]

Yeah, most pistols look the same for the exact same reason that most cars look the same - I mean, they all have four wheels, two bright lights at the front and two red ones in the back...

On a side note though, why don't the NC have a revolver for our sidearm? Wouldn't this fit our "hit harder" philosophy?
http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/6/68/SW_Model_629.jpg

because revolvers don't = harder hitting? That is dependant on the size of the round and the amount of propellent for the round.

Yep game breaker for me. 2 similar looking guns, shame SOE, shame.

I hear the cloaking looks EXACTLY the same too! Man did they skimp on that one.

[Accuser]

because revolvers don't = harder hitting? That is dependant on the size of the round and the amount of propellent for the round.


Wrong. A revolver firing the same round as a gas-operated or recoil-based semi-auto pistol WILL ALWAYS HAVE MORE POWER because energy is not being diverted to chamber a new round.

[WVoneseven]

http://www.airsoftgi.com/images/airsoft-colonialBLSTRa.jpg This for NC? Futuristic revolver rather than cowboy.

[Figment]

Change the position of the basic ammo clip and you're done. Making it look like revolvers and all is a bit too easy.

Either make more of a T-shape or make it more like the original Magscat Pistol or further embellish the fact it's a magnetic gun. Which reminds me, why does a supposedly magnetic gun have air vents on its barrel again?

[Pozidriv]

Just give the NC this and call it a day :).

Mateba MTR-8 (8 shots in .357 or .38 Special)

http://img155.imageshack.us/img155/7750/1287752676.jpg

[Troika]

http://www.airsoftgi.com/images/airsoft-colonialBLSTRa.jpg
This for NC? Futuristic revolver rather than cowboy.
That IS sweet design for NC handgun

[WVoneseven]

That IS sweet design for NC handgun

Its a battlestar galactica colonial blaster replica. The whole left side there hinges out with a revolver chamber on the inside.

[Marinealver]

I like the shot pistol,my favorit pilot sidearm

[Canaris]

http://www.airsoftgi.com/images/airsoft-colonialBLSTRa.jpg This for NC? Futuristic revolver rather than cowboy.

that's the BSG pistol :)
edit didn't see your response, it's a sweet looking gun

[Shinjorai]

New NC dueling pistol design.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v236/wraithzcage/NCduelingpistol.jpg

[Algo]

Welp, since everybody's posting pictures..

http://i.imgur.com/CL554.gif

[Landtank]

New NC Pistol: http://home.comcast.net/~meisterdru/hand_cannon_001.jpg

[stordito]

TR pistol is clearly superior...
look at that leather! Only premium quality NC vets scalps where used in the process.

[Oryon22]

that's the BSG pistol :)
edit didn't see your response, it's a sweet looking gun

I knew that looked familiar! And yes, that gun is saweet looking.

[pengalor]

New NC Pistol: http://home.comcast.net/~meisterdru/hand_cannon_001.jpg

ROFL yes please!!

[Ratstomper]

http://gamefrosting.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/12/Starcraft-JimReynor-Pistol-5-800x535.jpg

How about Jim Raynor's revolver from SC?

[WNxThentar]

How about this for a pistol and sidegrade?
https://p.twimg.com/AyDJVvdCMAEriut.png:large

[Superbus]

How about this for a pistol and sidegrade?
https://p.twimg.com/AyDJVvdCMAEriut.png:large

Speaking from experience the recoil on a grenades launcher is no joke, firing one that small with no way to absorb recoil would be slightly hilarious after you busted your face open and probably hazardous because your barrel would be swinging wildly into friendly territory.

[WNxThentar]

Speaking from experience the recoil on a grenades launcher is no joke, firing one that small with no way to absorb recoil would be slightly hilarious after you busted your face open and probably hazardous because your barrel would be swinging wildly into friendly territory.

Well I was wondering how that 30mm grenade actually worked. Being an active duty Marine from 88-94 I can tell you that there isn't that much recoil from a 40mm grenade launcher. The grenade isn't propelled at ballistic speeds so the recoil is a lot less in a normal grenade launcher. That said those grenades depended on rifling to cause the grenade to spin in order to arm itself which prevented you from exploding a grenade a to close to you. This is one of my pet pieves about modern FPS where people shoot you point blank with a 40mm grenade and you die some how...and normally they seem to live some how.

[Superbus]

Well I was wondering how that 30mm grenade actually worked. Being an active duty Marine from 88-94 I can tell you that there isn't that much recoil from a 40mm grenade launcher. The grenade isn't propelled at ballistic speeds so the recoil is a lot less in a normal grenade launcher. That said those grenades depended on rifling to cause the grenade to spin in order to arm itself which prevented you from exploding a grenade a to close to you. This is one of my pet pieves about modern FPS where people shoot you point blank with a 40mm grenade and you die some how...and normally they seem to live some how.

The recoil doesn't feel like much because the energy from firing it is being dissipated on a longer weapons platform, and the m-16 dissipates recoil very well. If you look at old Vietnam footage of soldiers using the thumper you'll get the idea. On that pistol I would say it would be comparable to firing a 12 gauge one handed.

I was active duty Army from 2002-2010, so I am quite familiar with the old 40mm under slug system as well.

[gufftroad]

The TR carry a modified GLOCK Model 17 with high precision barrel. Same one I carry in Real life. Standard load is 17 rounds - 18 with one chambered as I carry it. Simpleist to clean then the VS or NC versions. The Glocks history go back to a time they were first developed on earth.


all the NC has to do is get the TR's gun wet and its useless good to know

on another note i really would like NC to have some sort of revolver I've long since gotten over the semi-auto. Revolvers have more class.

[StumpyTheOzzie]

because believe it or not, NC aren't space cowboys

Quoted for falseness!!! LIES!

But I rekon you should have a sidegrade for a 4 round hand-cannon. 20mm rounds?

[WNxThentar]

The recoil doesn't feel like much because the energy from firing it is being dissipated on a longer weapons platform, and the m-16 dissipates recoil very well. If you look at old Vietnam footage of soldiers using the thumper you'll get the idea. On that pistol I would say it would be comparable to firing a 12 gauge one handed.

I was active duty Army from 2002-2010, so I am quite familiar with the old 40mm under slug system as well.

That gun is a Just Cause 2 weapon...so it isn't real anyway.

[disky]

I'm down for the revolver for the NC, as long as cowboy hats will be available as alternate helmets.

[Malorn]

Well the revolvers for NC would fit well with the Firefly music :)

[Ratstomper]

How about this for a pistol and sidegrade?
https://p.twimg.com/AyDJVvdCMAEriut.png:large

Hot damn. Those are some beautiful firearms.