Resolved - PS2 Region

[Cyborgmatt]

US players can now play on EU servers and EU players can now play on US servers. This issue has been resolved. If you want more info on this there is plenty around, just search.

[Aurmanite]

This is a bad idea.

Multiplayer games should not know international boundaries.

[Zhane]

Way to erect artificial barriers in the middle of your playerbase. I realize it's not in the developer's hands - the money people are at work here - but it's a shame.

[ThGlump]

Region lock doesnt matter that much. Most usually play on nearest server anyway. Being kicked out to another company and treated like some second grade shit is much worse.


And there is thread about it already.

[Vash02]

http://forums.station.sony.com/station/posts/list.m?topic_id=11500038790
Feedback thread, make it known.

[SuperMorto]

This new partnership will enhance players' gaming experiences by attracting new audiences into our online worlds (more players = more fun!), plus will deliver additional dedicated Community and Marketing support, and resources for providing an even more localized experience.


Pfffffffffffffffffffffffffffffft!

Ill have my say on this, its fucking ridiculous!

[basti]

ITS NOT REGION LOCKED!

You simply have two accounts now! One for European (pro7), one for US (SOE).

For subscription based games, that would suck indeed. But Planetside is F2P, means its not as important. You would only have to buy Station Cash for both accounts seperatly, but thats just a little extra hassle really. Check Food Lion Ad (https://www.weeklyads2.com/food-lion/) and Fred Meyer Ad (https://www.weeklyads2.com/fred-meyer/). Its very likley that there wont be much account wide stuff to buy with station cash that you really want that damn much...


But im not happy about this at all. Dont want to get seperated and have to install the game twice... :(

[Shotokanguy]

WTF is this shit?

SOE can't afford to do anything that might hurt PlanetSide's total population. Everything falls apart without a large amount of people.

[Coreldan]

I don't mind, but I guess my opinion is void cos I havnt really made any friends playing on Gemini anyways, so I have no one to "say goodbye" to.

that said, this only affects the minority anyways, which is just about the people in here.

Also, @basti, they might just have some region detection/IP block in use. Playing through proxies probably wont be worth it.

Also, a ridicilous reason to not play the game at all. Yes, it sucks that you might be seperated with your friends, but that doesnt mean the game wouldnt be worth trying/playing. You might as well just get your friends in a chat room, you didnt play the game for what it was obviously anyways :D

[CutterJohn]

Been waiting for SOE to do something colossally stupid. I'd hoped they wouldn't, but alas..

Higgles/t-ray/whoever.. I know this isn't your call, but the bean counters upstairs, but why? What possible good does it serve? And don't try the lag excuse since its happening for all the SOE games..

Absolutely fucking retarded business logic from people who've never played a fucking game in their goddamned lives out to squeeze a few extra bucks.

[Vash02]

ITS NOT REGION LOCKED!

You simply have two accounts now! One for European (pro7), one for US (SOE).

For subscription based games, that would suck indeed. But Planetside is F2P, means its not as important. You would only have to buy Station Cash for both accounts seperatly, but thats just a little extra hassle really. Its very likley that there wont be much account wide stuff to buy with station cash that you really want that damn much...


But im not happy about this at all. Dont want to get seperated and have to install the game twice... :(
basti...


I'm a European player; after I create my ProSieben account, will my SOE account be shut down?

Your SOE account will not be shut down, but you will only be able to play the above mentioned games through a ProSiebenSat.1 Games account. As discussed above, we will provide a simple way to have your characters and game progress transferred and the value of your Station Cash granted to your new ProSiebenSat.1 Games account. Also, existing EverQuest II players in Europe that have played on U.S. servers before the transition will be allowed to continue playing on those servers through their SOE accounts.

AKA, as a european player, my station account will not be able to access PS2.

[ShadoViper]

Hopefully they will make one particular server that allows people from different regions to join it.

[KALU]

Can anyone tell me how this affects Australian players? Will we be locked with Asian servers reading a language we don't understand? Or play as we always have with the west cost servers in the States? :confused:

[Tigersmith]

This is pretty much awful. Very disappointed ..

[bjorntju1]

And here I througt SOE won't screw up this game. God this is horrible news. Seperate accounts. And it isn't even possible to play on US severs. Now what about beta. Will de EU players get accses too? This has been asked numerous times by people and we STILL don't got an awnser.

[basti]

basti...



AKA, as a european player, my station account will not be able to access PS2.

I'm a European player; after I create my ProSieben account, will my SOE account be shut down?

Your SOE account will not be shut down, but you will only be able to play the above mentioned games through a ProSiebenSat.1 Games account. As discussed above, we will provide a simple way to have your characters and game progress transferred and the value of your Station Cash granted to your new ProSiebenSat.1 Games account. Also, existing EverQuest II players in Europe that have played on U.S. servers before the transition will be allowed to continue playing on those servers through their SOE accounts.





Once again: IT IS NOT REGION LOCKED!

[Marth Koopa]

Can anyone tell me how this affects Australian players? Will we be locked with Asian servers reading a language we don't understand? Or play as we always have with the west cost servers in the States? :confused:

If you are serious about video games and still live in Australia, you're doing something wrong.

[ringring]

Can anyone tell me how this affects Australian players? Will we be locked with Asian servers reading a language we don't understand? Or play as we always have with the west cost servers in the States? :confused:
This has no impact on OZ/NZ players ...... The SOE/Pro7 deal only includes European/Scandanavian countries

[Shnipah]

Basti

Can players still access the U.S. servers?

Under the new partnership between SOE and ProSiebenSat.1 Games, European players of the above mentioned SOE games will be able to play via ProSiebenSat.1 Games's service and will not have access to U.S. servers. However, existing EverQuest II players in Europe that have played on U.S. servers before the transition will be allowed to continue playing on those servers through their SOE accounts.

Can U.S. players log on to the European servers?

U.S.-based players will have access to the U.S. servers only.

That very much too me suggests you will be region locked.

[bjorntju1]

I'm a European player; after I create my ProSieben account, will my SOE account be shut down?

Your SOE account will not be shut down, but you will only be able to play the above mentioned games through a ProSiebenSat.1 Games account. As discussed above, we will provide a simple way to have your characters and game progress transferred and the value of your Station Cash granted to your new ProSiebenSat.1 Games account. Also, existing EverQuest II players in Europe that have played on U.S. servers before the transition will be allowed to continue playing on those servers through their SOE accounts.





Once again: IT IS NOT REGION LOCKED!

Your SOE account will not be shut down, but you will only be able to play the above mentioned games through a ProSiebenSat.1 Games account.

Looks like it

[ThGlump]

Ok seem this is the new thread for this so im reposting my rage

Worst is that no matter how we cry it wont change anything. They wouldnt get any money from us anyway so even if we refuse this system, for soe it mean nothing.

For euro player is only bad things:
Migration to new system (and back when it fails in few years)
Pointless forums (i expect that we wont be able to post on us forum without us account) - with no dev or anybody who know anything about game to communicate with us.
Incompetent customer support - theyll be able to reset you account pwd but notthing more. Complicated stuff will go through soe with serious delay or just being ignored
Bad dev support - weird bugs that will be only in EU version and or in US US will be ignored, or very low priority.
Possible stripping of additional services - promised access to game statistics for third party programs, and other stuff? Very probably only in US version and pro7 wont give us access to it.


This isnt anything i just pulled from my ass. This is real experience with same partnership between turbine and codemasters in lotro, including CM shutting down game after 2 years and migration back to turbine. Forums dead, communicanion and customer support almost nonexistent, ignored bugs, web access to game data only in US etc.

How we can believe pro7 will be any different? CM had atleast some online game experience. Pro7 has none. So it will be even worse.

What can we done to play on your servers SOE? We want to play under you. We will bring you profit.
Why kick us out?


Dont buy anything from pro7 cash shop. make them bankrupt

[Vash02]

I'm a European player; after I create my ProSieben account, will my SOE account be shut down?

Your SOE account will not be shut down, but you will only be able to play the above mentioned games through a ProSiebenSat.1 Games account. As discussed above, we will provide a simple way to have your characters and game progress transferred and the value of your Station Cash granted to your new ProSiebenSat.1 Games account. Also, existing EverQuest II players in Europe that have played on U.S. servers before the transition will be allowed to continue playing on those servers through their SOE accounts.





Once again: IT IS NOT REGION LOCKED! the FAQ you just quoted categorically stated the European players will not be able to access DC UniverseTM Online, EverQuest® II, Star Wars®: Clone Wars AdventuresTM, Free Realms®, Magic: The Gathering - Tactics®, Pox Nora®, the upcoming PlanetSide® 2, and the next installment of the EverQuest® franchise. with their station accounts.


Your SOE account will not be shut down, but you will only be able to play the above mentioned games through a ProSiebenSat.1 Games account.

[SniperSteve]

EDIT: okay, so it looks like people can still play cross-borders.

[Garem]

Pro7 is a media conglomerate group.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ProSiebenSat.1_Media

So bankrupting them won't happen. They're worth billions of Euros. Billions.

I'd be interested to see if we can't get a unified voice to the Devs to act on our behalf to get us one of two things:
(1) an international server in New York, Iceland, Ireland for Transatlantic play.
(2) a big apology and explanation for the need to do this with a name of who is responsible to, at some point after launch, get us request #1.

[Raymac]

I'm not trying to troll because I do feel for you players across the pond, but high ping in a shooter sucks major monkeyballs. So there is an upside.

[basti]

Okay, Enough. I explain it once again, so you goddamn fools understand it.


IT
IS
NOT
REGION
LOCKED!


Got that? Nope? Then listen.

Obviously theres a difference in EU and US games now. A EU EQ2 isnt a US EQ2. It uses a different account system alltogether, and buying a new EQ in europe would only work for the European account system.
The same applys to the accounts itself. If you transfer your games and characters from SOE to Europe, its gone on the SOE account (just as the servers. Pro7 takes over all the Euro stuff, means your Euro servers wont be under the SOE account system anymore).

Yet there is nothing, absolutly nothing stopping you from being in Europe, creating a SOE account, and playing on some american servers. No region lock, no fancy stuff, nothing.
The damn faq is just badly badly written. Whoever wrote that should be fired really, its damn obvious that people could pick it up the wrong way.

[SniperSteve]

Thanks Basti for clarifying.

Do you secretly work for SOE or something? lol

[Vash02]

Okay, Enough. I explain it once again, so you goddamn fools understand it.


IT
IS
NOT
REGION
LOCKED!


Got that? Nope? Then listen.

Obviously theres a difference in EU and US games now. A EU EQ2 isnt a US EQ2. It uses a different account system alltogether, and buying a new EQ in europe would only work for the European account system.
The same applys to the accounts itself. If you transfer your games and characters from SOE to Europe, its gone on the SOE account (just as the servers. Pro7 takes over all the Euro stuff, means your Euro servers wont be under the SOE account system anymore).

Yet there is nothing, absolutly nothing stopping you from being in Europe, creating a SOE account, and playing on some american servers. No region lock, no fancy stuff, nothing.
The damn faq is just badly badly written. Whoever wrote that should be fired really, its damn obvious that people could pick it up the wrong way.

How else can you intepret that FAQ?

I'm a European player; after I create my ProSieben account, will my SOE account be shut down?

Your SOE account will not be shut down, but you will only be able to play the above mentioned games through a ProSiebenSat.1 Games account. As discussed above, we will provide a simple way to have your characters and game progress transferred and the value of your Station Cash granted to your new ProSiebenSat.1 Games account. Also, existing EverQuest II players in Europe that have played on U.S. servers before the transition will be allowed to continue playing on those servers through their SOE accounts.

Do you have anything to contradict this?


Edit: Ok I can see how you can say the Euro players can still play on US servers if they dont make a pro7 account. but still there is nothing that states Planetside 2 will not be region locked.

[Raymac]

Yet there is nothing, absolutly nothing stopping you from being in Europe, creating a SOE account, and playing on some american servers. No region lock, no fancy stuff, nothing.
The damn faq is just badly badly written. Whoever wrote that should be fired really, its damn obvious that people could pick it up the wrong way.

But the FAQs state that European players CANNOT play on US servers and vice versa.

[ThGlump]

There is no way im creating pro7 account. If i can play on US server with soe account i have now thats cool (but i doubt it). Then ill play on US servers even if it mean 1000+ ping (but usually had like 130-150 in ps1)

[basti]

But the FAQs state that European players CANNOT play on US servers and vice versa.

Bad wording, just that. Very bad wording.

Seems like they wanted to make clear that you wont be able to have a SOE account and play with the euros / have a Euro account and play with the americans.

Its really just blablah about the account system, no single word about the technical ascpets. Hence no region lock.




And if im completly wrong on that one, well then, GJ SOE, you screwed up big time. PReventing any of us to play with our mates from the other side of the big sea is a bad idea.

[Shnipah]

Post your comments on the region lock in the feedback thread

http://forums.station.sony.com/station/posts/list.m?start=0&topic_id=11500038790***11500258199

tweet higby as we need clarification on this. If enough people make a fuss they will have to respond.

If they really have made it region locked then SOE just did their usual big mistake when making an MMO

[Raymac]

Bad wording, just that. Very bad wording.


I think the wording is pretty clear.

Can players still access the U.S. servers?

Under the new partnership between SOE and ProSiebenSat.1 Games, European players of the above mentioned SOE games will be able to play via ProSiebenSat.1 Games's service and will not have access to U.S. servers. However, existing EverQuest II players in Europe that have played on U.S. servers before the transition will be allowed to continue playing on those servers through their SOE accounts.

Can U.S. players log on to the European servers?

U.S.-based players will have access to the U.S. servers only.

[FastAndFree]

I'm not trying to troll because I do feel for you players across the pond, but high ping in a shooter sucks major monkeyballs. So there is an upside.

I typically get 150 to gemini. Sometimes it goes up to 300. Not optimal, but hardly "high".

I am also a member of a mostly US-based outfit. I won't accept anyone, not even SOE, to tell me I can't be a member anymore because of my geographic location

[Vash02]

I think the wording of the document does lean (an almost horizontal lean) towards region lock even if it doesent state it out loud.

[ThGlump]

Soe always kill good games with bad move. So i expected something bad for ps2 too. I just hoped theyll kill PS2 few years after release not year before.

[Vancha]

My god. Did they really have to try so, so hard to fuck it all up this monumentally? I don't think there's a single thing they could have done to make me lose all interest in playing Planetside 2 other than what they've just done.

You have a game that's almost guaranteed to come good, and you ruin it for your biggest supporters? What kind of company treats their best customers this badly?

I have no interest in supporting such a company, either by playing their game or by helping them improve it through beta.

Why do people want to play on servers where they will have terrible ping so badly?
My ping was fine, thank you very much.

I want to play on US servers because the people I've played with over the past 6 years are from the US. I want to play with my friends. I want to play with the people I've bonded with and the people I have loyalties to. I want to play with my fellow Planetside vets. I didn't just play with these people, I fought a war with them.

[stordito]

proxys anyone?

[basti]

And for those wondering why i assume no region lock: because its within the text itself. Read the FAQ again.

I'm a European player; after I create my ProSieben account, will my SOE account be shut down?

Your SOE account will not be shut down, but you will only be able to play the above mentioned games through a ProSiebenSat.1 Games account. As discussed above, we will provide a simple way to have your characters and game progress transferred and the value of your Station Cash granted to your new ProSiebenSat.1 Games account. Also, existing EverQuest II players in Europe that have played on U.S. servers before the transition will be allowed to continue playing on those servers through their SOE accounts.

This is the important part. This, nothing else tells me that there is no IP lock in place.

But all the Euro servers will move over to Pro7. Means all characters on them will only be playable via Pro7 accounts.

[Shnipah]

I shouldn't have to set up a proxy to play the game. It is 2012, I want to have the choice!

[Raymac]

I typically get 150 to gemini. Sometimes it goes up to 300. Not optimal, but hardly "high".

I am also a member of a mostly US-based outfit. I won't accept anyone, not even SOE, to tell me I can't be a member anymore because of my geographic location

Again, I'm not trying to troll, but in my extremely humble opinion, any ping over 100 for an fps is "high". And it does affect the other people you are playing with so it's not just a matter of "well I'm ok with it".

[CidHighwind]

Before we go alienating European players and American players with harsh words and personal beliefs, lets try to preserve the status quo which was better than what we've possibly been presented with.

We need to all form an e-mail/twitter message to send to John Smedley regarding our beliefs.

We need to write it here, and we need to all send it at the same time.

Who wants to start.

(Yes, I am a US player who is advocating for Euro right to play where and when they want)

[Mirror]

I get a 112 ping to emerald/gemini.

Stupid move on SOEs part. Why not just present us with a list of servers when we login and let us choose where we want to play......just like before (before the merge I mean).

[Vancha]

300+ ping is not fine for shooter games. You're not going to enjoy it and you're going to annoy people because you're impossible to shoot.
I didn't get 300+ ping. I know American ISPs are terrible, but we have some decent ones over here in the UK.

Get over it. Play on your Euro servers and make new Euro friends.
Er, no. These are communities I've been a part of for years. Could I play on euro servers, make new friends and enjoy myself? Probably, yes, but that's not my preference and I don't want to support a company that splits up it's communities by playing it's games.

[wasdie]

So I don't have to worry about laggy Aussies or Europeans all of the time?

Awesome.

It's not that I don't like people from those countries, it's just that lag is extremely annoying. This will prevent them from coming in and being laggy as hell and me going to their servers and lagging them down./

[Vash02]

And for those wondering why i assume no region lock: because its within the text itself. Read the FAQ again.

I'm a European player; after I create my ProSieben account, will my SOE account be shut down?

Your SOE account will not be shut down, but you will only be able to play the above mentioned games through a ProSiebenSat.1 Games account. As discussed above, we will provide a simple way to have your characters and game progress transferred and the value of your Station Cash granted to your new ProSiebenSat.1 Games account. Also, existing EverQuest II players in Europe that have played on U.S. servers before the transition will be allowed to continue playing on those servers through their SOE accounts.

This is the important part. This, nothing else tells me that there is no IP lock in place.

But all the Euro servers will move over to Pro7. Means all characters on them will only be playable via Pro7 accounts.

Why would they bother to lock you into your Pro7 account if it isnt region locked?

I dont like having to make this choice, to keep my vet benifets on the US servers and be locked out of euro servers or to transfer them to an unknown previously german only company and locked out of the US servers.

[ThGlump]

Your SOE account will not be shut down, but you will only be able to play the above mentioned games through a ProSiebenSat.1 Games account. As discussed above, we will provide a simple way to have your characters and game progress transferred and the value of your Station Cash granted to your new ProSiebenSat.1 Games account. Also, existing EverQuest II players in Europe that have played on U.S. servers before the transition will be allowed to continue playing on those servers through their SOE accounts.

This is the important part. This, nothing else tells me that there is no IP lock in place.

But all the Euro servers will move over to Pro7. Means all characters on them will only be playable via Pro7 accounts.

Well this means if you have char on EQII server you are not forced to move. But what it tells about completely new game where you have no connections to soe servers and characters there?
And i bold important part. Before transition. After that EU players wont be able to crate account/char there. Its only for continuity, not to make players too much angry.


Get over it. Play on your Euro servers and make new Euro friends.

Almost all my friends are from Werner (euro server). I dont know where theyll play yet, but i wont play on euro servers. US servers (and i hope i convince many friends to come there too), or nothing. Not under pro7 rule.

[SuperMorto]

SOE need to clear this up pretty dam fucking fast, or the shit is going to hit the roof!

[IronMole]

Considering we have many US players in our outfit, it's pretty much fucked things up and it's very disappointing.

[ThGlump]

And its clear soe did bad move with this, since they starting to remove post from they feedback thread. It wasnt that offensive Morto :) None of the bad words was properly spelled ;)

[Cyborgmatt]

I'm sorry Basti but until we get an answer from Sony or Higby we can't say 100% for sure what they mean so please stop posting unless other whise unless you have a source.

From my own interpretation from the text it sounds like the region lock is forced upon us, hence why people are suggesting IP locking etc.

[Cyborgmatt]

If you're really going to defend region locking then you need to get your head checked out mate.

[Sabrak]

We need to write it here, and we need to all send it at the same time.

What for?

Their stupid partnership is signed.

We've seen that coming for a while, since that Pro7 stuff was made public, and it's not like Smed would do a thing about it (he can't, anyway. Contract signed, again).

I wasn't planning on playing on US servers anyway...
Pings aren't that terrible nowadays (even though Marth talks like if Europe has a third-world country's internet infrastructure), but I'd rather play with people around my time zone.

The problem is that Pro7 is handed our SOE accounts, and that we have absolutly NO GUARANTEE that they'll be up to the task.
Plus, and this is just my view, I'd much rather pay for in-game stuff knowing that it goes straight to SOE (like a thanks for the awesome work the dev team has shown) than to give money to some german company I never heard about.

Finally, as I already said on the topic "bye bye Werner?", Pro7 is in charge of communication and advertising in Europe, but is not known outside of central Europe (Germany, Austria, Czech Republic...), so I'm afraid they might not do much in western Europe (France, UK, and so on).

So, yeah...
Disappointing, but we knew that was coming.

[basti]

I'm sorry Basti but until we get an answer from Sony or Higby we can't say 100% for sure what they mean so please stop posting unless other whise unless you have a source.

From my own interpretation from the text it sounds like the region lock is forced upon us, hence why people are suggesting IP locking etc.

My source is common sense, and the fact that i can read whole texts instead of just small parts of it. ITs in the faq, its right there.

[DayOne]

We've seen that coming for a while, since that Pro7 stuff was made public, and it's not like Smed would do a thing about it (he can't, anyway. Contract signed, again).

So, yeah...
Disappointing, but we knew that was coming.

Pro7 handling the euro servers is fine. What is unacceptable is that they want euro players to use their account system that will not allow them to play on US servers.

[Mirror]

Considering we have many US players in our outfit, it's pretty much fucked things up and it's very disappointing.

Ever since they merged Markov, Emerald and Werner into Gemini outfits have been running with players from both sides of the pond. They can't expect any of the established outfits to be happy about this.

Of all the times to change it, why now? Every previous SOE game has displayed the server select screen when launching and that list of servers contained the NA servers and the EU servers, I say again....why change it now?

[Marth Koopa]

Erm, get da hell out if you keep talking BS.

This is me, RIGHT NOW, from Germany to Gemini!

http://content.screencast.com/users/sepomat/folders/Jing/media/31c41062-c4c0-4b0b-aa51-559f5c361028/2012-02-21_2227.png


And if i wait a bit, the loss goes down as well. I just connected, thats where the loss comes from. Its usually at 0.0...


Marth, get a clue, really.

If the game shows me that ping, it MUST be true, even though such a thing is literally impossible.

[SuperMorto]

And its clear soe did bad move with this, since they starting to remove post from they feedback thread. It wasnt that offensive Morto :) None of the bad words was properly spelled ;)

It was just how I felt :)

RadarX is a cool dude, I dont mind.

[Sabrak]

If the game shows me that ping, it MUST be true, even though such a thing is literally impossible.

Yeah, right.

Obvious troll is obvious.

What are the mods doing? :)

[Vash02]

My source is common sense, and the fact that i can read whole texts instead of just small parts of it. ITs in the faq, its right there.
So when you see the words "European player" you assume it must mean "Pro7 Account player"?

[Sinilaid]

I live in eastern europe and have about 137ms on the PS1 live server, so lagging isn't an isue

[basti]

So when you see the words "European player" you assume it must mean "Pro7 Account player"?

Exactly.

[sylphaen]

WTF ! WTF ! BLOODY MURDER SOE !!! Won't you let people choose what they prefer ?


Oh, and @Marth: gtfo and go play with yourself alone.

[IronMole]

Ever since they merged Markov, Emerald and Werner into Gemini outfits have been running with players from both sides of the pond. They can't expect any of the established outfits to be happy about this.

Of all the times to change it, why now? Every previous SOE game has displayed the server select screen when launching and that list of servers contained the NA servers and the EU servers, I say again....why change it now?

Dumbest fucking move ever from SOE.

[Vash02]

Exactly.
I cant see any justification for interpreting it that way. It isnt very clear in that regard though, it could be either way.

I'm a European ProSieben account player; after I create my ProSieben account, will my SOE account be shut down?

Make sense of that question if you will.

[FastAndFree]

Exactly.

I really hope you are right Basti, but as long as they don't outright clarify so, what can we do but expect the worst after a dick move like this

[Cyborgmatt]

Exactly.
That's your assumption though, so like I said we need to wait for response from Higby etc.

He hasn't been seen since that tweet so it isn't looking good so far.

[SuperMorto]

Apparently its a bit like the way SC2 work currently?....

Of course SC2 isn't a MMO and hasn't been through server merges and years of gaming.....

[ThGlump]

My source is common sense, and the fact that i can read whole texts instead of just small parts of it. ITs in the faq, its right there.

There is your mistake. Those who created this agreement didnt use common sense. They use hunger for money. Soe get paid for exclusive europe for pro7, and they surely payed enough to make sure they will have players. So they lock them for new accounts and new games.

[somers]

Damnit Sony, stop money grabbing and let people choose where they want to play! Also Martha stop being so damn ignorant and let me show you some facts...

Let me use Bf3 as an example for ping/lag. I live in Colorado and I get 15 ping on average for Midwest servers, 30 ping for servers on the East Coast, and 60 ping for UK servers. For 64x64 battles that's pretty good and 60 ping doesn't really affect gameplay, although it is a bit jumpy at times.

With PS2 I would have more ping, but it doesn't matter for a game that is about 1000's of players on a continent at a time shooting each other, it's more about the war and faction rivalry that makes it fun.

[Trolltaxi]

Martha is the first name on my ignore list... shame it is, I have really not expected to add anyone on these boards. Now at the first sight of the shit hitting the fan, serious flaming/trolling arises... c'mon guys, grow up! And try not to forget that after the final merge, EU players kept PS alive for a good 1-2 years! Now it is going to end - in a bad way.

My ping will be lower but who cares? EU residents will probably get a far-from-skilled support team, and a lots of tools will probably be US-only. Not a big deal... At least my outfit is EU-based - but we do have mates at the US-side too and they seem to be lost for us...

At least no chineese invasion on our generators... that's something...

[Cyborgmatt]

http://www.planetside-universe.com/forums/profile.php?do=addlist&userlist=ignore&u=14950

[Marsgrim]

This is shit and unacceptable.

It will mean 2 copies of the game, IF SOE allow a US account registration from a Euro address - and I am willing to they won't because the deal will be exclusive.

Further to that, I went through the Turbine/Codemasters issue on LOTRO and the service, forums and experience was abysmal. This will result in SOE not caring about euro subscribers and ProSieben investing fuck all in customer service as it makes them no money and they have no direct line to resolve major game issues.
It doesn't matter what promises are made now, it will not go that way.

Further to that, for outfits like us in Unleashed where we're a mix of people from all over the world that play in a euro timezone, we can no longer maintain our outfit.

This is horrible thinking and treatment from SOE.

[ThGlump]

Apparently its a bit like the way SC2 work currently?....

If fine with SC2 and other region based games. Its better to play on nearest server. But Blizzard keep accounts for himself. thats what irks me. Different account system. If pro7 only managed server HW and advertisement i would be fine with it. But force us to play under someone completely different is unacceptable.

[Hamma]

Please stop quoting Marth, he has been removed.

[Mirror]

Please stop quoting Marth, he has been removed.

:love:

[Vancha]

Please stop quoting Marth, he has been removed.:love:
"

[ThGlump]

Its strange. I failed to find even single post (well except Marth Koopa) thats fine with this, not here, not on reddit, not even on official feedback thread. Really good move SOE.

[Aractain]

So who are these ProSebianIIII420 guys?

[IronMole]

So who are these ProSebianIIII420 guys?

Well established German TV company.

[Mirror]

Would be good if we could get some clarification on this.

I think we need to turn on the developer light.

[Raymac]

While I didn't agree with his style, the troll had a point. High ping doesn't just affect you, it affects everyone you are playing against. So while you may be ok with ping that's 100+, why is it fair for you to force that on other players? If it only affected your frames per second, nobody would care, but if it affects how you move on my screen, then it becomes my problem.

I of course see the MASSIVE benefit of being able to play with your buddies where ever they may be, but I'm just playing a bit of the devil's advocate here.

[basti]

Would be good if we could get some clarification on this.

I think we need to turn on the developer light.

Tried. Higby doesnt respond, RadarX came across but didnt post, no responce yet on the official thread.

WTF really.

[Sinilaid]

Tried. Higby doesnt respond, RadarX came across but didnt post, no responce yet on the official thread.

WTF really.

Their like "O shit, we fucked up" and running around SOE like headless chickens

[Raymac]

Its strange. I failed to find even single post (well except Marth Koopa) thats fine with this, not here, not on reddit, not even on official feedback thread. Really good move SOE.

Guess you have me on ignore. :lol:

[ThGlump]

While I didn't agree with his style, the troll had a point. High ping doesn't just affect you, it affects everyone you are playing against. So while you may be ok with ping that's 100+, why is it fair for you to force that on other players? If it only affected your frames per second, nobody would care, but if it affects how you move on my screen, then it becomes my problem.

Tell that to soe not to us how is bad to play with high ping. They just dont give us another option (and no, play under pro7 is not a option).

[sylphaen]

Their like "O shit, we fucked up" and running around SOE like headless chickens

The mine field is laid out. Who will want to step into it first ?
:rofl:

[FastAndFree]

Tried. Higby doesnt respond, RadarX came across but didnt post, no responce yet on the official thread.

WTF really.

They are biding their time, waiting for the fires to burn out

[Vancha]

While I didn't agree with his style, the troll had a point. High ping doesn't just affect you, it affects everyone you are playing against. So while you may be ok with ping that's 100+, why is it fair for you to force that on other players? If it only affected your frames per second, nobody would care, but if it affects how you move on my screen, then it becomes my problem.

I of course see the MASSIVE benefit of being able to play with your buddies where ever they may be, but I'm just playing a bit of the devil's advocate here.
My post seems to have gone because it was in response to Marth, but I seem to remember coming across American players with 100+ ping.

[IronMole]

While I didn't agree with his style, the troll had a point. High ping doesn't just affect you, it affects everyone you are playing against. So while you may be ok with ping that's 100+, why is it fair for you to force that on other players? If it only affected your frames per second, nobody would care, but if it affects how you move on my screen, then it becomes my problem.

I of course see the MASSIVE benefit of being able to play with your buddies where ever they may be, but I'm just playing a bit of the devil's advocate here.

It should be the players choice. Many online FPS's don't have problems with a ping lower than 200ms.

If it wasn't for the poor netcode on PS, then high pings wouldn't have been a problem.

[polywomple]

hmm, not sure what to think about this

[Higby]

Tried. Higby doesnt respond, RadarX came across but didnt post, no responce yet on the official thread.


You guys now know exactly as much as I do. I'm sorry it took so long to get this information out to you. I'll bring the issues you guys have up to the "powers that be", but my job is making games not business development, so I don't have a ton of sway here to be honest.

[Marsgrim]

My source is common sense, and the fact that i can read whole texts instead of just small parts of it. ITs in the faq, its right there.

Basti, it is right there in the text that Euro players will only have access to ProSieben servers.

The whole benefit for ProSeiben in this deal is locking down the Euro market, there is no benefit to them if Euro players can ignore them to create an SOE account. This deal will be region locked on ISP or country of origin and you'll be forced to create a ProSieben account.

The text is clear, you're not reading it correctly and your application of common sense is off - this is a business deal and the only way it will work for ProSieben is if they have a monopoly on the Euro region.

[Hmr85]

I really hope this news isn't true... Hopefully a dev. will post on here and clarify this. This is really gonna hurt a few outfits that where excited about getting back together for PS2.

Edit: NVM, Higby just did. Please let us know as soon as you do Higby.

[sylphaen]

You guys now know exactly as much as I do. I'm sorry it took so long to get this information out to you. I'll bring the issues you guys have up to the "powers that be", but my job is making games not business development, so I don't have a ton of sway here to be honest.


Thanks Higby... Wait & See then, I guess....

[Cyborgmatt]

You guys now know exactly as much as I do. I'm sorry it took so long to get this information out to you. I'll bring the issues you guys have up to the "powers that be", but my job is making games not business development, so I don't have a ton of sway here to be honest.
We figured the decision was made from above but the general concern here is that the wording in the FAQ is very "iffy" we need to know if the servers will be actively checking for the user's IP/region and blocking access based on that.

If you can get any more information out of them, it would be very helpful. Thanks mate.

[Vancha]

You guys now know exactly as much as I do. I'm sorry it took so long to get this information out to you. I'll bring the issues you guys have up to the "powers that be", but my job is making games not business development, so I don't have a ton of sway here to be honest.
I'd imagine the entire development team up and leaving would probably achieve something, but I'm guessing you're too dependent on your paycheck to stage a walkout. :P

Edit: But yeah, thanks for the reply.

[IronMole]

You guys now know exactly as much as I do. I'm sorry it took so long to get this information out to you. I'll bring the issues you guys have up to the "powers that be", but my job is making games not business development, so I don't have a ton of sway here to be honest.

We appreciate the response.

[Raymac]

It should be the players choice. Many online FPS's don't have problems with a ping lower than 200ms.

If it wasn't for the poor netcode on PS, then high pings wouldn't have been a problem.

but what if your choice affects other players?

I know this is an extreme example, but it's the first that came to mind. If you get drunk at home alone, it doesn't affect anyone else. If you get drunk and go for a drive, you put other people's lives at risk.

High ping doesn't just affect you, it affects everyone that you come across in the game.

[Mirror]

You guys now know exactly as much as I do. I'm sorry it took so long to get this information out to you. I'll bring the issues you guys have up to the "powers that be", but my job is making games not business development, so I don't have a ton of sway here to be honest.

The current everquest players get to continue on the US servers why not us? discrimination against us Planetside players!! :)

Thanks for the update though.

[Shanesan]

Their like "O shit, we fucked up" and running around SOE like headless chickens

Higby and RadarX didn't do this, and they don't want to tell us that this is the case because they really don't want to get the flack for something their crony bosses decided on.

And the executives will hide behind their PR team until they're blue in the face. Sony knows no bounds on how to fuck something up.

[basti]

You guys now know exactly as much as I do. I'm sorry it took so long to get this information out to you. I'll bring the issues you guys have up to the "powers that be", but my job is making games not business development, so I don't have a ton of sway here to be honest.

So much for the "new SOE that doesnt screw up anymore"...

I fully understand that you are not getting told everything 24/7, as that would be rather much information. But really, who the hell screwed that one up? You usually inform your company before you inform your customers. To make sure concerns are raised BEFORE the shitstorm begins. Thats business 101, thats how you do things, thats how you prevent madness and chaos.

Just posting a FAQ that hasnt been carefully double and triple checked for its content and the way it can be interpreted, and the not being lighting quick to respond on concerns is the number one way to piss off your customers.


Damn those suits...


Well anyway, thanks for postig matt, time to give you some Vanu trouble on twitter. :P

[Duddy]

This does demonstrate how the heads of SOE don't really quite understand how the communities of their games function.

Planetside community has been international for about as long as I can remember, heck when I first played it was on Emerald and not Werner.

Sorry you had to be the one to deliver the bad news Higby, but this really does suck. :(

[IronMole]

but what if your choice affects other players?

I know this is an extreme example, but it's the first that came to mind. If you get drunk at home alone, it doesn't affect anyone else. If you get drunk and go for a drive, you put other people's lives at risk.

High ping doesn't just affect you, it affects everyone that you come across in the game.

You are right, it is a stupid analogy.

[NCLynx]

Maybe I'm just missing something, but I don't see the huge deal. US not being able to see EU servers just shows less on my screen, why would I want to play on a server other than the one best suited for me (EX: US East)?

I know there was some crossover in the original because people in the US could see werner and the other way around, but for the most part people stuck to the server closest to them.
The only time I can remember a huge amount of people NOT sticking to the closest server was when population had a huge drop.

(I'm expecting to be flamed, this however was just what I personally saw)

[IronMole]

Maybe I'm just missing something, but I don't see the huge deal. US not being able to see EU servers just shows less on my screen, why would I want to play on a server other than the one best suited for me (EX: US East)?

I know there was some crossover in the original because people in the US could see werner and the other way around, but for the most part people stuck to the server closest to them.
The only time I can remember a huge amount of people NOT sticking to the closest server was when population had a huge drop.

Outfits, friends and choices?

[Insanekanifer]

I'm going to have to disagree with the general vibe of the thread... Although I respect the bonds that everyone made, this game is being made as a fps shooter first. 20 ping versus anything above 120 is a massive difference and can cause teleporting, especially with large vehicles, causing them to jitter. I'd rather have everyone be on an equal footing and make new friendships and outfits in the new game.

[ThGlump]

The current everquest players get to continue on the US servers why not us? discrimination against us Planetside players!! :)

Thanks for the update though.

You can continue as a current player in US planetside server. Planetside2 as a new game will be probably region locked.

If there will be IP lock its even worse. Proxy will increase ping to sky.

but what if your choice affects other players?

I know this is an extreme example, but it's the first that came to mind. If you get drunk at home alone, it doesn't affect anyone else. If you get drunk and go for a drive, you put other people's lives at risk.

High ping doesn't just affect you, it affects everyone that you come across in the game.

As some US players will be selfish about this, and ignoring this pro7 stuff as it doesnt affect them, ill be as such selfish an play with high ping on US servers if it will be playable for me. If it will make game worse for other, so they start complain, thats better. Maybe then SOE reconsider this, and give Europe proper support.

[Raymac]

You are right, it is a stupid analogy.

Gee thanks. :rolleyes:

But the point I am making still stands. Your high ping doesn't just affect you, and it is a bit selfish to ignore that.

[Vash02]

Maybe I'm just missing something, but I don't see the huge deal. US not being able to see EU servers just shows less on my screen, why would I want to play on a server other than the one best suited for me (EX: US East)?

I know there was some crossover in the original because people in the US could see werner and the other way around, but for the most part people stuck to the server closest to them.
The only time I can remember a huge amount of people NOT sticking to the closest server was when population had a huge drop.

(I'm expecting to be flamed, this however was just what I personally saw)

The big deal is SOE spent years creating an international community and has now decided to split it up and hand a portion of it to an unknown and untried company that has only worked in Germany (and only in television) before this deal.

[KALU]

What SOE have to remember is that the Vets from 8 years back forged friendships and formed clans with people from the States and world wide.

These players want to stay together and fight together again, Personally I could not imagine playing the game without my fellow SMF players. Its what made the game that much more enjoyable and kept me playing for so many years after release.

All i can hope for is that the players get a choice and dont get separated from your friends and clan mates.

Please....

[Insanekanifer]

I'm going to have to disagree with the general vibe of the thread... Although I respect the bonds that everyone made, this game is being made as a fps shooter first. 20 ping versus anything above 120 is a massive difference and can cause teleporting, especially with large vehicles, causing them to jitter. I'd rather have everyone be on an equal footing and make new friendships and outfits in the new game.

Not to mention the language barrier issues. Nothing upsets me more in a game where communication is important then having multiple languages. I'm all for english based us servers.

[IronMole]

Gee thanks. :rolleyes:

But the point I am making still stands. Your high ping doesn't just affect you, and it is a bit selfish to ignore that.

And it isn't selfish to prevent someone playing with their friends/outfits?

You keep trying to make out that having a ping of 100+ is a major problem in todays gaming. It isn't.

[Cyborgmatt]

I'm going to have to disagree with the general vibe of the thread... Although I respect the bonds that everyone made, this game is being made as a fps shooter first. 20 ping versus anything above 120 is a massive difference and can cause teleporting, especially with large vehicles, causing them to jitter. I'd rather have everyone be on an equal footing and make new friendships and outfits in the new game.
Let's just make one thing clear, this decision has nothing to do with pings that kind of decision would most definitely come from people within the actual PS2 team.

This however came from the higher ups and SOE have probably made a nice pocket off it, ProSiebenSat.1 are a huge European media conglomerate, plenty of money there.

[Vancha]

but what if your choice affects other players?

I know this is an extreme example, but it's the first that came to mind. If you get drunk at home alone, it doesn't affect anyone else. If you get drunk and go for a drive, you put other people's lives at risk.

High ping doesn't just affect you, it affects everyone that you come across in the game.
Honestly Ray, this isn't the time to be playing devil's advocate, especially that badly.

We're sure to get reams and reams of such excuses from the damage control guys at SOE, trying to persuade us this is in our best interest and justify this stupidity. At the end of the day, the game would be better off with a united playerbase. There's no argument to be made that could adequately justify what they've done.

[Shanesan]

Gee thanks. :rolleyes:

But the point I am making still stands. Your high ping doesn't just affect you, and it is a bit selfish to ignore that.

Server side hit detection. This isn't PS1. That's all.

[Insanekanifer]

Honestly Ray, this isn't the time to be playing devil's advocate, especially that badly.

We're sure to get reams and reams of such excuses from the damage control guys at SOE, trying to persuade us this is in our best interest and justify this stupidity. At the end of the day, the game would be better off with a united playerbase. There's no argument to be made that could adequately justify what they've done.

Yes there is, I would not appreciate high pinged players on my servers. Also language barrier issues. There's two reasons.

[Magpie]

It's bad move from Soe, did get a buy out from this other company? Or is it to stop high pings?

If its due to to stop high pings as its got 666vs666vs666 and having everyone on local on the sever it understandable to help cope with the high amount of people lode?

Or is it to make more/save money?

For me it don't matter for me unless its beta u.s only, but I feel sorry for all the ps1 vets that have been playing for years with each other and made strong bonds it would be a shame to say goodbye it would be the death of many outfits.
Let's just hope this is all cleared up soon and hope for some good news

Remeber people.

Roll on beta

Well done Soe you know how to fuck things up

Uk player

[ThGlump]

Maybe I'm just missing something, but I don't see the huge deal. US not being able to see EU servers just shows less on my screen, why would I want to play on a server other than the one best suited for me (EX: US East)?

I know there was some crossover in the original because people in the US could see werner and the other way around, but for the most part people stuck to the server closest to them.
The only time I can remember a huge amount of people NOT sticking to the closest server was when population had a huge drop.

(I'm expecting to be flamed, this however was just what I personally saw)

For me its bug deal that they sold us, sold our accounts, forcing us to play under someone else. Secondly ist breaking european community as some refuse it and play on US server, and some accept it an play on EU, separating it.
Im not too much concerned by international gameplay, but i hate thats option is gone too.

[SuperMorto]

but what if your choice affects other players?

I know this is an extreme example, but it's the first that came to mind. If you get drunk at home alone, it doesn't affect anyone else. If you get drunk and go for a drive, you put other people's lives at risk.

High ping doesn't just affect you, it affects everyone that you come across in the game.

Would you turn the game off if your ping was the highest? No you wouldn't. Also if your ping was say 34? and the server average wads 20, this mean your effecting everyone else?

Until you have a ping of 0 100% of the time, your point is not valid. And that goes for anybody else talking about pings. This is the year 2012 FFS. This has nothing and I mean nothing to do with PINGS!

Money money money.

[polywomple]

lol

http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/8566/72357294.png

[Xaine]

SoE strikes again.

[Cyborgmatt]

Not to mention the language barrier issues. Nothing upsets me more in a game where communication is important then having multiple languages. I'm all for english based us servers.
Come on guys, these excuses are just sad, how often in PS1 did you come across a language barrier issue?

People playing on the US servers will most definitely be english speaking, otherwhise it would just be pointless.

You're speaking our language don't forget that.

The Europe server itself will have a whole range of languages so why should English speaking countries have to put up with that as well? I'm glad you only have yourself in mind.

[UnknownDT]

Absolutely ridiculous.

If the issue can be solved by buying a US version of the game then so be it. However, if it doesn't then shame on you SOE.

[DviddLeff]

That's my outfit ripped in half.

[FastAndFree]

but what if your choice affects other players?

High ping doesn't just affect you, it affects everyone that you come across in the game.

But what about US players with bad connection?

People can choose to "play" Planetside while running 10 torrents in the background and have a ping of 1500, but not someone with 100 because he is on the wrong side of the big pond? (Yes my example is silly but oh well)

[Nobel]

We need clarification but this reads as bad... very bad for my outfit. We have officers from both the UK and US... we are a family. SOE is splitting up our family. This will NOT be okay with us.

[IronMole]

Absolutely ridiculous.

If the issue can be solved by buying a US version of the game then so be it. However, if it doesn't then shame on you SOE.

I hope this is the case, but the FAQ currently states otherwise. :mad:

[Dale]

but what if your choice affects other players?

I know this is an extreme example, but it's the first that came to mind. If you get drunk at home alone, it doesn't affect anyone else. If you get drunk and go for a drive, you put other people's lives at risk.

Not to mention how drinking may affect your gameplay when you venture out on the virtual battlefield and are supposed to look after your teammates. :)

Seriously though,

I do get what you mean, but still in this case I could imagine the best way would be to strongly recommend players to play on their respective regional servers, aswell as inform what their impact on other people's gameplay could be if they do choose to neglect that recommendation.

But to set up a barrier between the NA and EU servers would, as stated before, shatter outfits and affect these people's gameplay. That is something that should not be taken lightly, in my opinion. Afterall, in a PvP-oriented game such as Planetside, I believe community is golden.

Sorry for slacky posting.

[Trolltaxi]

Poor US players will be closed out of the awesome tactical and organised fights that only EU residents could make happen! Werner >> any other server!!! Or we don't have to deal with their shitty ping and pocket loss and strange phrasing...

/irony mode off

Sounds stupid? Everyone sounds stupid that reasons along "high ping is killing the game and stupid language barrier"...

[Shanesan]

But what about US players with bad connection?

People can choose to "play" Planetside while running 10 torrents in the background and have a ping of 1500, but not someone with 100 because he is on the wrong side of the big pond? (Yes my example is silly but oh well)

That's really all it is, too. Pings to America from Ukraine are about 120 to 140 ms, which is absolutely nothing. Pings are not the problem for first-world or second-world countries.

http://www.lifesip.com/images/money-5.jpg

[UnknownDT]

This also rips Delta Triad in half and that's just unacceptable.

[DaddyTickles]

SOE, Screwing Over Euros.

Meh. No surprise here. When Higby didn't come back earlier it could only be because he or someone higher up wanted to sit on the bad news.

I imagine the reason the US magazine got beta codes is now clear; only US players will get into BETA. We euros can look forward to getting a good tan over the coming summer, no PS2 for us until 2013.

If I weren't a gentleman I would probably end this post with Thanks Smed, you fat, bald shit.

[IronMole]

This also rips Delta Triad in half and that's just unacceptable.

Unleashed also. Let's stand together and UNITE!

[ShockNC]

Their like "O shit, we fucked up" and running around SOE like headless chickens

It's really sad because they have no control over it what so ever. Hig is the project lead so in theory, he can change anything gameplay wise but this isn't gameplay related. this is business related so it either goes to Hig's boss, Hig's Boss's boss or so on an so forth.

We can panic and complain as much as we want but this is beyond Hig.

[CrystalViolet]

Bad decision, and I can see this thread turning into a 50+ page shitstorm. If there was ever a good time for Smed to pop in and say something, now would be that time.

[Vancha]

Yes there is, I would not appreciate high pinged players on my servers. Also language barrier issues. There's two reasons.
The high ping argument is invalid, read the thread. Plenty of US players get over 100 ping, be it naturally or artificially.

The language barrier argument is also invalid. You have more chance of coming across a Mexican who can only speak Spanish than a European player who chooses to play on a US server and can't speak English.

[EVILPIG]

The high ping argument is invalid, read the thread. Plenty of US players get over 100 ping, be it naturally or artificially.

The language barrier argument is also invalid. You have more chance of coming across a Mexican who can only speak Spanish than a European player who chooses to play on a US server and can't speak English.

WHOA WHOA WHOA, DON'T GO DRAGGING TMACWILLIS INTO THIS!

[Shanesan]

FIRE John Smedley.

http://venturebeat.files.wordpress.com/2008/09/john_smedley-240x300.jpg

Every online game John Smedley has operating under him is FAILING or has FAILED.
This new piece of information only confirms what we've already known.
It's time for new SOE leadership.

[Magpie]

WHOA WHOA WHOA, DON'T GO DRAGGING TMACWILLIS INTO THIS!

Lol

[Xaine]

Bad decision, and I can see this thread turning into a 50+ page shitstorm. If there was ever a good time for Smed to pop in and say something, now would be that time.

This.

And also, SoE really doesn't care about the fact that people have formed Outfits and relationships across the world. I'm not just saying that to make them look bad either, they really don't care.

We are the minority here, they're thinking about the thousands of other people that will play this game. Not the maybe 200-300ish active population on this forum. They're looking at the bigger picture because they have too.

My issue is, as other people have brought up, the fact that the EU Servers are being passed to a company that isn't SoE. So our service will be that much worse, in return for a better ping.

We'll get content later, issues dealt with later and if we do have forums for the server(s) then we will never get Dev posts or responses.

Time to wake up and smell the coffee people. This is SoE and this is business, if we like it or not.

[Fortress]

Reason #35356 to not trust SOE with anything.

[Duddy]

Made a post about this on the PS2 facebook page, get some comments on it so we can increase visibility on this.

[BigBossMonkey]

<3's out to my Euro Brothers From Other Mothers.

[Canaris]

I shall hope for the best but prepare for the worst

[Quovatis]

I think you will still be able to connect to US servers if you buy the US version. It's still bad news though.

We have a member of our outfit in the UK that gets a better ping to Gemini that I do from the US West coast. Ping is not an excuse for this.

[Raymac]

The high ping argument is invalid, read the thread. Plenty of US players get over 100 ping, be it naturally or artificially.

The language barrier argument is also invalid. You have more chance of coming across a Mexican who can only speak Spanish than a European player who chooses to play on a US server and can't speak English.

I don't think the high ping issue is "invalid" but I also don't think it's the end all be all trump card either. I just think it is a factor. Obviously, the main factor in this decision is money. We all know that.

While it sucks to see long time outfits get quite literally torn apart like this, life will go on.

[Figment]

Come on guys, these excuses are just sad, how often in PS1 did you come across a language barrier issue?

I think you underestimate the importance of PS1 being a subscription based game.



World of Tanks is free to play and the language barrier is a severe issue with all the Eastern Europeans coming on there (Polish, Czech, Hungarians, Serbians, etc). Those people couldn't afford to pay for PS1. If they even heard of it.

The problem with many of these Eastern Europeans (not all, luckily) is low education in terms of language (no secondary language), only recent connection to the internet and having NO internet etiquette whatsoever. Worse, there are many outright REFUSING to speak English in public chat ("No, you learn my language you colonist @$(@&$!", because they associate it with the way the Russians tried to force Russian language onto them. And some of them can get quite touchy about it, especially the Balkan populace who "don't want to potentially talk with their enemies".

As said though, those with a higher level of education often apologise for their countrymen. Can imagine they hate being stereotyped as anti-social xenophobes.



If PS2 is going to use a lot of in game local voice chatter systems... It's going to be very annoying with so many players. Any time you're in the vicinity of a foreign outfit, you're going to wish you hadn't come there. Similarly, any global channels may get filled with banter worse than what we saw from the CNs.

[Vash02]

I think you will still be able to connect to US servers if you buy the US version. It's still bad news though.

We have a member of our outfit in the UK that gets a better ping to Gemini that I do from the US West coast. Ping is not an excuse for this.

Cant buy a free game, its a download only.

[Rumblepit]

I get a 112 ping to emerald/gemini.

Stupid move on SOEs part. Why not just present us with a list of servers when we login and let us choose where we want to play......just like before (before the merge I mean).

because they know what effect a 200 ping has on a modern fps...... bye lagers :cool:


WARROCK + NETLIMITER = FUN - YouTube

[etheral]

*sigh*

I thought it was all too good to be true.

The issue for me isnt so much that I cant play with my US friends (PS1 was only one of the games we played) but that the whole EU playerbase will be treated like second class citizens because everything from customer support to patches will be handled by pro7 rather than SOE, and will most likely be utter shit.

Also, the whole argument of "pro7 will be good for PS2 because of its ability to market/advertise" doesnt fly. Im a UK player and have NEVER heard of them in my life before now.

[SuperMorto]

So if we cant do anything about it, what can we do about it?????? Know what I mean??????????????????? ;)

there must be something we can do about this, in one way or another?

[Quovatis]

Yeah, slip of the tongue there. Hopefully they won't do an IP check when downloading the game.

[IronMole]

Yeah, slip of the tongue there. Hopefully they won't do an IP check when downloading the game.

If there are 2 clients then it's easily done if there is no IP region checking.

[DaddyTickles]

So if we cant do anything about it, what can we do about it?????? Know what I mean??????????????????? ;)

there must be something we can do about this, in one way or another?

You could go back to school and learn enough about computers to hack your way into SOE, then when you are arrested and extradited your story is bound to be picked up by the Daily Fail.

Long term goal setting, I grant you. But you seem the determined type.:p

[Canaris]

*sigh*

I thought it was all too good to be true.

The issue for me isnt so much that I cant play with my US friends (PS1 was only one of the games we played) but that the whole EU playerbase will be treated like second class citizens because everything from customer support to patches will be handled by pro7 rather than SOE, and will most likely be utter shit.

Also, the whole argument of "pro7 will be good for PS2 because of its ability to market/advertise" doesnt fly. Im a UK player and have NEVER heard of them in my life before now.

anyone ever play DAoC EU..... remember GOA? :scared:

[Shanesan]

because they know what effect a 200 ping has on a modern fps...... bye lagers :cool:


WARROCK + NETLIMITER = FUN - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cFBXnYdxhOE)

And that, boys and girls, is why Planetside 2 will have server-side hit detection. Becides, Warrock is a shitty game.

[basti]

So if we cant do anything about it, what can we do about it?????? Know what I mean??????????????????? ;)

there must be something we can do about this, in one way or another?

Well.

The Split is going to happen, no way to stop this. US players will use SOE accounts to play on US servers, EU players will use Pro7 accounts to play on EU servers.

Thats going to happen, nothing we can do to stop this now.


But if scenario doom happens, and we cannot play with each other at all, then we need to act. I want to spend my free days to play late night with my GOTR and AT buddys, and potentially stalk higby and arclegger to send lazers into their direction, or create a secret secred NC alt to play with them. Dont make it impossible to do just that. :(

[ShockNC]

So if we cant do anything about it, what can we do about it?????? Know what I mean??????????????????? ;)

there must be something we can do about this, in one way or another?

We can do it. We have the technology (and this an NC player telling this to a Vanu :rofl:)

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Virtual_private_network

[Shanesan]

So if we cant do anything about it, what can we do about it?????? Know what I mean??????????????????? ;)

there must be something we can do about this, in one way or another?

All the large outfits needs to publicly denounce Sony's decision and initiate boycott.

Once you start pulling 3,000 players (about 5 large clans), this may be significant enough.

I'm not renewing my Planetside 1 account.

[Tatwi]

Thank copyright and power mongering "anti-terrorism" lobbying for crap like this, which is clearly designed to facilitate surveillance by regional authority and curtail cross cultural uprising against the establishment. Don't think so? Keep up with news...

[sylphaen]

Wait until they have to localize and translate every fucking patch for distribution into European countries...
:doh:

Euros will need to be patient.

[etheral]

anyone ever play DAoC EU..... remember GOA? :scared:

Didnt they pull the exact same shit with WAR?

[Alduron]

While I'm not a fan of splitting the regions, it is kinda nice to have reduced pings across the board. :-p

It's been a while since I've been able to play with my UK friends with the time difference and all.

Other than that, it kinda seems like EU players are getting shafted.

[Rumblepit]

And that, boys and girls, is why Planetside 2 will have server-side hit detection. Becides, Warrock is a shitty game.


this is true , its a shet game with tones of hackers..... but the players have the option to choose what server they want to play on. 90% of the players stick with their regional server.

besides you really want to play a modern fps with a high ping??????? this is not ps1 boys and girls. ttk is much faster and every milla second will count.

not sure about you, but i like to see whats shooting me before i die.

[Xaine]

Also,

Can U.S. players log on to the European servers?

U.S.-based players will have access to the U.S. servers only.

?

[Fortress]

Outfits were the only reason Planetside was fun. GG PS2.

[Shanesan]

not sure about you, but i like to see whats shooting me before i die.

Most times, you didn't see what killed you in PS1.

People should have the option to play on whatever server they want. Sony should RUN THEIR OWN GAME and not hand them out to third parties.

[Shanesan]

Also,

Can U.S. players log on to the European servers?

U.S.-based players will have access to the U.S. servers only.

?

That is pretty cut and dry to me. "United States players will have access to United States servers only".

Cut and dry.

[Redshift]

Not to mention the language barrier issues. Nothing upsets me more in a game where communication is important then having multiple languages. I'm all for english based us servers.

You do realise all those foreigners in Europe speak better English than you do?

That's not a flame, it's true.

[Trolltaxi]

I think you underestimate the importance of PS1 being a subscription based game.



World of Tanks is free to play and the language barrier is a severe issue with all the Eastern Europeans coming on there (Polish, Czech, Hungarians, Serbians, etc). Those people couldn't afford to pay for PS1. If they even heard of it.

The problem with many of these Eastern Europeans (not all, luckily) is low education in terms of language (no secondary language), only recent connection to the internet and having NO internet etiquette whatsoever. Worse, there are many outright REFUSING to speak English in public chat ("No, you learn my language you colonist @$(@&$!", because they associate it with the way the Russians tried to force Russian language onto them. And some of them can get quite touchy about it, especially the Balkan populace who "don't want to potentially talk with their enemies".

As said though, those with a higher level of education often apologise for their countrymen. Can imagine they hate being stereotyped as anti-social xenophobes.



If PS2 is going to use a lot of in game local voice chatter systems... It's going to be very annoying with so many players. Any time you're in the vicinity of a foreign outfit, you're going to wish you hadn't come there. Similarly, any global channels may get filled with banter worse than what we saw from the CNs.

As a hungarian PS player I have to refuse your arguments! :) Language barrier really is an issue, but there is no refusal to use forign languages because of poor associacions of former russian rule... :) It is always lack of personal language skills no matter what they may try to reason with...

And about netiquette. It's not about "recent internet penetration" - as it has penetrated at the same time as in the rest of the world, or with a 1-2 years delay. It's about the fact, that there are a lots of inmatures gaming but way fewer matures. An average eastern-bloc gamer is way younger and we all know how a young gamer can behave (or rather: can't behave himself).

I don't apologise for them - actually I blame them for being a dick - but the world is not that black/white (or red/white) that you may presume anymore.

[ShockNC]

You do realise all those foreigners in Europe speak better English than you do?

That's not a flame, it's true.

Goddamn England and their....English!

[Rumblepit]

what did you guys think was gonna happen? they were gonna have 20 international servers at launch? was i the only one that knew this was comin?

[Xaine]

That is pretty cut and dry to me. "United States players will have access to United States servers only".

Cut and dry.

Same here.

All these people are saying it won't be region locked. So, unless i'm misreading the extremely direct sentence where it says:

Can U.S. players log on to the European servers?

U.S.-based players will have access to the U.S. servers only.

Then i'm fairly sure its region locked. No?

[etheral]

You do realise all those foreigners in Europe speak better English than you do?

That's not a flame, it's true.

THIS

Seriously, we had several danes and germans in our outfit along with the usual US/UK players, and their english has always been excellent.

Its rather embarrasing actually :lol:

[Vash02]

what did you guys think was gonna happen? they were gonna have 20 international servers at launch? was i the only one that knew this was comin?

SOE is still placing and managing the european servers though so yes they are having 20 international servers at launch. It's just that they are saying to players they can only play on certain servers.

[Redshift]

Goddamn England and their....English!

No I do litterally mean foreigners, the German, Dutch, French; the majority speak fluent English, also because they learn the actual language, rather than slang which is localised, they often speak a more precise version of English than English people do.

[etheral]

SOE is still placing and managing the european servers though so yes they are having 20 international servers at launch. It's just that they are saying to players they can only play on certain servers.

No they arent. 90% of the controversy about this is that EU players have been sold off to pro7 COMPLETELY. Pro7 is handling everything for europe, including accounts.

[ThGlump]

what did you guys think was gonna happen? they were gonna have 20 international servers at launch? was i the only one that knew this was comin?

They could have pro7 hadle over server, not giving them fucking account control. Separate account is what make this region locked, not some ping or language. If Soe would keep account for all servers, there wouldnt be any problem.

[basti]

No they arent. 90% of the controversy about this is that EU players have been sold off to pro7 COMPLETELY. Pro7 is handling everything for europe, including accounts.

Did you read the FAQ? No you didnt.

Who will host and manage the servers, ProSiebenSat.1 Games or SOE?

SOE will continue to host and manage the European servers for all games under this agreement.

[Saintlycow]

If it isn't IP locked

Get an american you trust to make your account. Gain control of you account. Possibly profit.

[Rumblepit]

even ping across the board. im all for it .death from lag has no place in a skill based game.

[Vancha]

No they arent. 90% of the controversy about this is that EU players have been sold off to pro7 COMPLETELY. Pro7 is handling everything for europe, including accounts.

http://forums.station.sony.com/station/posts/list.m?topic_id=11500038788

Server Questions

Who will host and manage the servers, ProSiebenSat.1 Games or SOE?

SOE will continue to host and manage the European servers for all games under this agreement.

I think he was referring to that.

[ShockNC]

No they arent. 90% of the controversy about this is that EU players have been sold off to pro7 COMPLETELY. Pro7 is handling everything for europe, including accounts.

the remaining 10% is just pure panic because panicking is fun and always best enjoyed in a group setting.

[ThGlump]

I wish we could go back a month when this all was announced and most believed that pro7 will handle only advertisement, and start over.

[FastAndFree]

even ping across the board. im all for it .death from lag has no place in a skill based game.

Serverside hit detection. Broadband.

[etheral]

Did you read the FAQ? No you didnt.

Who will host and manage the servers, ProSiebenSat.1 Games or SOE?

SOE will continue to host and manage the European servers for all games under this agreement.

I fail reading comprehension :doh:

The thing about accounts still stands though

[Rumblepit]

If it isn't IP locked

Get an american you trust to make your account. Gain control of you account. Possibly profit.
im sure you will be report for your epic lag and removed from the server.

[Vancha]

even ping across the board. im all for it .death from lag has no place in a skill based game.
Yes, you've said that already. I'd think you were Marth if you didn't already have a post history. Play devils advocate by all means, but I think being purposefully inflammatory when people are clearly upset easily qualifies as trolling.

[Figment]

As a hungarian PS player I have to refuse your arguments! :) Language barrier really is an issue, but there is no refusal to use forign languages because of poor associacions of former russian rule... :) It is always lack of personal language skills no matter what they may try to reason with...

And about netiquette. It's not about "recent internet penetration" - as it has penetrated at the same time as in the rest of the world, or with a 1-2 years delay. It's about the fact, that there are a lots of inmatures gaming but way fewer matures. An average eastern-bloc gamer is way younger and we all know how a young gamer can behave (or rather: can't behave himself).

I don't apologise for them - actually I blame them for being a dick - but the world is not that black/white (or red/white) that you may presume anymore.

Rar. True, true. Though I can't tell how high a percentage of the populace has access to pc's/internet in Balkan countries. Of course, also not sure how the distribution of games been done there. World of Tanks is of course a Belarussian company iirc and may have focused more on eastern European localization and distribution channels. :)

Was a pretty interesting discussion on it on the World of Tanks forums though. Of course in World of Tanks it's also more prominent since there's only ONE chat window that both enemies and allies can use (no /t, /o, /s or /p, just /comallfriendlies or /comalleveryone). That makes the minority heard more of course.

EDIT: Here is one of the more interesting threads on it: http://forum.worldoftanks.eu/index.php?/topic/44301-your-nationality-and-who-cares/

[FastAndFree]

im sure you will be report for you epic lag and removed from the server.

:huh:

Ooooh I get it you're tro... kidding

[basti]

im sure you will be report for you epic lag and removed from the server.

YOu are aware that marth got banned for this stuff? Now shutup and go somewhere else, this thread is NOT about ping discussions.

[ThGlump]

Did you read the FAQ? No you didnt.

Who will host and manage the servers, ProSiebenSat.1 Games or SOE?

SOE will continue to host and manage the European servers for all games under this agreement.

This i take as a misunderstanding. SOE will manage servers to which we log to different account system, completely cut of from SOE. So SOE wont have any proper control over those servers.
Even if its true, it should be other (acceptable) way. Pro7 providing servers, and SOE accounts.

[RadarX]

It was just how I felt :)

RadarX is a cool dude, I dont mind.

Good because it wasn't personal. Honestly if I hadn't nabbed it, someone else would have.

I cannot clarify more at this time as details are still being worked out. Even though this isn't an official SOE forum, I am reading the feedback (except for the insults because we have a special brain filter). We want to know your thoughts and I'm glad many of you are expressing them.

[basti]

This i take as a misunderstanding. SOE will manage servers to which we log to different account system, completely cut of from SOE. So SOE wont have any proper control over those servers.
Even if its true, it should be other (acceptable) way. Pro7 providing servers, and SOE accounts.

What? That doesnt even make sense. Why would we log into our Pro7 accounts through servers from SOE, to then end up on Pro7 servers?


Truth is, the game servers are hosted by SOE, just as always. But to access them, you need to go through the Pro7 account thingy.

[Hermes]

Can't play with any old US friends? :(

Can't choose a server which is at peak time if I'm working odd hours? :(

I can 100% see us on the EU side getting boned with delays over this. I'd swept it to the back of my mind until now, but it's getting a bit clearer to see how big the separation is in this partnership.

I'm wearing a hat right now. I promise to eat at least some part of it if feature/rollout dates maintain parity across EU and US with this set up. Even having this separation in the first place encourages staged releases to become an acceptable thing when the pressure is on.

This sucks more than moderate amounts.

Yours sincerely,

Outraged from England

[Mister101]

All the people that complained about the Chinese deserved to be region locked.

[Mastachief]

Well this is some high grade faggotry.

Just when you begin to trust SOE again you get screwed in the ass.

Higby we <3 you man, but the business guys at SOE are a bunch of...............

This will destroy outfits.

Made Euro player 2nd rate with no development direction at all.

Bad customer service, a german company ffs?

Crappy forums

And once they cut off planetside 2 for not making them enough money we get to be screwed again and transferred to U.S servers or simply put in the bin.

Cant wait for the kick in the teeth that comes when euro player aren't allowed to participate in beta as we are irrelevant.

[UnknownDT]

RadarX, Higby, for christs sake anyone at SOE. Find out if it will be IP locked at least it would probably take a phone call to get that information and let us know ASAP. This is so frustrating at the moment to know we may be saying 'goodbye' to our friends outside of the US and vice-versa. Something official needs to be said.

[ThGlump]

What? That doesnt even make sense. Why would we log into our Pro7 accounts through servers from SOE, to then end up on Pro7 servers?


Truth is, the game servers are hosted by SOE, just as always. But to access them, you need to go through the Pro7 account thingy.


Simple no pro7 accounts. That redundant and not needed. Im all for exter companies providing servers etc so soe doesnt have to care about them overseas that much, but im against having pro7 account.

[Vancha]

I cannot clarify more at this time as details are still being worked out. Even though this isn't an official SOE forum, I am reading the feedback (except for the insults because we have a special brain filter). We want to know your thoughts and I'm glad many of you are expressing them.

I just want to say, if this decision can't be undone, then this is the most insulting, patronizing thing you could professionally say.

That said, I don't think you're that kind of lowlife, so I have ever so slightly higher hopes that this mistake can still be rectified.

[Shogun]

so we europeans cannot use our soe accounts to enter ps2?
i guess that means we will not be rekognised as ps1 veterans...

lot of shit flying around here.
i don´t like being seperated as well!
love to play with and against us outfits

[Sardwyn]

I did wonder if SOE were truly that patient to release a AAA title as f2p and be content for longterm gain through a cash shop. I actually thought the f2p model would be good for that reason alone - keep SOE as interested in the game as us and almost guarantees new, regular devlopement after release for a long time. This is shit news though :/ SOE clearly just wanting to recoup as much cost upfront by licensing it out to foreign companies.

[Sirisian]

If the game is 100% server-side I'm okay with Europeans playing with us. The problem is if it's a hybrid model I'm a little more suspicious. I don't like playing with people that have over a 70 ms latency in multiplayer games. I played PS1 with 33 ms latency throughout the years and the client-side hit detection was annoying with some players essentially shooting at extrapolated players.

Also that warrock video is a worst case scenario. It's 100% CSHD like PS1. I doubt PS2 will be that bad especially with a hybrid system.

Maybe the Europeans will find it refreshing to play with a lower latency especially if a higher one stops giving them an advantage.

[Trolltaxi]

What's the big deal for pro7 in publishing (and marketing and supporting and-and-and...) a free MMO (without too much ads)? How does this whole thing work?

[Figment]

Soooo... since us Euros wouldn't be able to play on US (or rather, SOE) servers...



What does that mean for... Beta?

[basti]

Good because it wasn't personal. Honestly if I hadn't nabbed it, someone else would have.

I cannot clarify more at this time as details are still being worked out. Even though this isn't an official SOE forum, I am reading the feedback (except for the insults because we have a special brain filter). We want to know your thoughts and I'm glad many of you are expressing them.


Details not worked out?

Wow, just, wow.

[Zulthus]

All the people that complained about the Chinese deserved to be region locked.

I feel everyone's pain, but this man drives a very good point. Some people complained about them and it came around.

[Mastachief]

as for latency? if it is hosted in germany i will not getting any better ping from the uk than i do to gemini

[DaddyTickles]

Details not worked out?

Wow, just, wow.

Yeah that FAQ isn't looking quite so authorative now, is it?

[ThGlump]

What's the big deal for pro7 in publishing (and marketing and supporting and-and-and...) a free MMO (without too much ads)? How does this whole thing work?

Simple they take over over everything. Accounts and cash shop. So when you buy something from cash shop, you dont support soe, but some greedy pro7 pig that dont care about game.
Dont buy anything from pro7 cash shops!

[ThGlump]

Details not worked out?

Wow, just, wow.

They had only 6, count them 6, weeks since they signed it and announced it. There is only a little that can be worked out in that short time. :rolleyes:

[basti]

They had only 6, count them 6, weeks since they signed it and announced it. There is only a little that can be worked out in that short time. :rolleyes:


Well, gonna go and get a few beer now, and drink till im just completly smashed.

I need to forget this absolut massive amount of random idiocy. How can one post such a faq that adds so much more questions, without being able to answer said new questions? How can, after 6 weeks, be someone unable to figure this simple, easy stuff out? How did this deal even got signed without the major details worked out fully? Seriously, WTF. SOE needs to hire a common sense consultant...

[Sardwyn]

Please don't lock Euro's out of beta either :/

[Ailos]

I doubt the servers will be IP-locked. It's possible, but it would be more of an annoyance than convenience. The better way to restrict accounts to a specific country is to have address localization - i.e. when you create an account you have to provide your residential address. That, I think would be a worse problem for European players on U.S. servers. There's nothing stopping you from downloading the U.S. client, but you will run into issues actually creating the account. And that is what could potentially split outfits.

[Mastachief]

You may find that locking us out by ip is part of the license agreement to force people into this crappy company. Netflix is a great example of what license agreements do to such things. The uk netflix is aweful compared to the u.s one.

[robocpf1]

Already 15 pages of this, wow...good catch guys.

I haven't read all of the replies but, my suggestion is allow any player anywhere to purchase (or just download since it's F2P) a regional "copy" of the game - whichever region copy you download is the region server you'll be on.

[Mister101]

You may find that locking us out by ip is part of the license agreement to force people into this crappy company. Netflix is a great example of what license agreements do to such things. The uk netflix is aweful compared to the u.s one.
Netflix??
Use the http://www.stealthy.co/ extension.

[Ailos]

You may find that locking us out by ip is part of the license agreement to force people into this crappy company. Netflix is a great example of what license agreements do to such things. The uk netflix is aweful compared to the u.s one.

Yeah, but you guys have other, better stuff in the UK, like the BBC iPlayer. Also, the IP locking for Netflix has more to do with the copyright issues that all the movie and record labels have with online streaming. When you stream from Netflix in the U.K. probably half the content is coming from U.S. Servers, just the type of content you have access to changes. I had that issue when I went to Canada for a week - even though my account is registered in Texas, 'cos I was using an IP in a Toronto hotel, couldn't watch shit.

[SUBARU]

I like playing with my EU brothers and sisters.I played Darkfall on the EU server for the first 2 years it is a pvp game,had a ping of 135 most of the time .Never lost a fight because of my ping.I only went to the US server because of low pop on EU server.Ping was never an issue.
I played with people from all over EU and never Had somebody not speak English.If EU players dont mind higher ping ,let
them have a choice.

[Mastachief]

Netflix??
Use the http://www.stealthy.co/ extension.

Thanks might try that.



I still think that the ip locking will be part of the agreement, besides without a U.S address it will probably be impossible to register an account. As with all things that these types of failure people try to do to limit internet activity there will always be a bypass it's just how crippling that bypass will be?

[Ailos]

Thanks might try that.



I still think that the ip locking will be part of the agreement, besides without a U.S address it will probably be impossible to register an account. As with all things that these types of failure people try to do to limit internet activity there will always be a bypass it's just how crippling that bypass will be?

That's what I meant about the address blocking. I really don't understand why companies bother with the whope IP geolocation service, especially when many companies that care about that provide paid services for which you need a valid billing address.

[Scrima]

However much I will miss the international players, if it makes for a better game experience (playing with players with better connections in the local region) I am all for it. The argument "but I don't care if I have a 150 ping" means nothing to the other players who see you shifting around and have a little bit more trouble hitting you.

As for whether it is "right," I probably agree it is messed up... but what can you do.

[BlazingSun]

I was right after all .. I saw it coming. :) .... :(

I just hope the service of ProSiebenSat1 is better than their TV programs (the horror!).

[The Desert Fox]

Well, gonna go and get a few beer now, and drink till im just completly smashed.

I need to forget this absolut massive amount of random idiocy. How can one post such a faq that adds so much more questions, without being able to answer said new questions? How can, after 6 weeks, be someone unable to figure this simple, easy stuff out? How did this deal even got signed without the major details worked out fully? Seriously, WTF. SOE needs to hire a common sense consultant...

WHOS DA BITCH NOW?:rofl:

Sorry I totally lost track about what everyone was arguing about, but this does suck I wonder how many good outfits will be lost if this really is a sure thing...

[NewSith]

Okay, I have a question... Why do we need such an innovation?

Let me highlight the keyword:
Why do WE need such an innovation?

I mean, profit for you, sure, but are you really gonna go the EA Games way now? I mean it's for us, customers, the game is designed for. Negative feedback definetely here outweighs postive (if there is any), so why are you still thinking? Even more, - why did you come up with something like that in the first place?

It's not about the ability for Euros to play on the American servers, nor it's about some people being 3rd-rate. It's about the ability to, no wrong, about the HUMAN RIGHT to selfcultivate, to find friends, to get knowledge! And
YOU ARE RESTRICTING US OUR RIGHTS.
Doesn't a Chineese, that desires to be some big consul one day, have a right to learn about life in foreign countries not just from his TV or wikipedia, but from the people who live there? Doesn't an American who left the US with some beautiful Czech have a right to keep in touch with his people? Doesn't a simple man have a right to see what's on the other side?

They do. But despite that what you're offering is similar to locking us away, dividing us into ghettos. Is that the way the symbol of world's tolerance must be heading? Do you really want to make such a mistake?

[/drama]

EDIT: Originally I intended to just post, - "You can always use VPN, if you need to get on the other server that badly". But some good ol' drama's good, so RadarX use my text to change the way big bosses think.

[RadarX]

They had only 6, count them 6, weeks since they signed it and announced it. There is only a little that can be worked out in that short time. :rolleyes:

This is actually quite true but they've been working hard on it. PlanetSide 2 still has time before worrying about this and we'll of course provide more as it becomes available.

[Lonehunter]

Yet there is nothing, absolutly nothing stopping you from being in Europe, creating a SOE account, and playing on some american servers



you will only be able to play the above mentioned games through a ProSiebenSat.1 Games account.
Seems to me you won't be able to make an SOE account in Europe (unless you go around their rules). To play any game made by SOE you'll have to go through ProSieben, and they won't let you play with American servers.

As for an opinion in the matter, screw SOE for taking away my Irish Outfitmates

Edit: and, since when is playing with Americans a requirement to enjoy the game? I can understand being split from outfit mates, but shouldn't Europe get enough marketing to get a stable community of their own?

[BlazingSun]

I just realized russia is not on the list ... thank god :p.

(You know what I mean NewSith ;) )

[Cyborgmatt]

Jesus H Christ Lord All Mighty in Heaven CHILLLL OUTTTTTTT.

I seen 11 pages of "WTF SONY" and was like "oh JESUS they messed up bad..

Then i read it.........


To every single frackin player out there.

8.8.8.8
8.8.4.4 if you want a secondary

IS a FREE DNS for GOOGLE, use this in conjunction with a 12 dollar program from www.hidemyass.com, gather two other overseas / easy to change DNS servers, have them all listed on your network adapter and you're done. They can't trace it, it's not fucking illegal (regardless of what some may think) except for Korea... Chills the balls from chaffin' on your leg brothers.

It's just some legal bullshit and contracts to get better server deals... it's easy as fuck to break and completely legal.

SO RELAX. <3

Edit: SOE just couldn't make a game without pissing someone off somehow... It's part of their fucking checklist.
Changing your DNS settings will not bypass IP locks, the DNS doesn't control your physical IP, it's only responsible for resolving host names into IP addresses.

Using a VPN will let you bypass it but it will increase lag and it's 2012 for god sake, we shouldn't have to resort to these kind of methods, PS1 didn't have this issue yet a decade later and here we are.

[NewSith]

I just realized russia is not on the list ... thank god :p.

(You know what I mean NewSith ;) )

You're going to like my new Camo Fashion Week...

[Sighpolice]

how do they profit out of this? Is it just cheaper maintenance costs etc. to let a secondary company take over?

I never play on US servers anyway so it doesn't really affect me (not trolling)

[Mastachief]

I just realized russia is not on the list ... thank god :p.

(You know what I mean NewSith ;) )

That is probably just an omission and we will be invaded by hacking 16 year old Russians.

[Lunarchild]

Duke: Look up Geo-IP. It is in fact very easy to block everyone from a single country if you really want to.

[Nephilimuk]

Good because it wasn't personal. Honestly if I hadn't nabbed it, someone else would have.

I cannot clarify more at this time as details are still being worked out. Even though this isn't an official SOE forum, I am reading the feedback (except for the insults because we have a special brain filter). We want to know your thoughts and I'm glad many of you are expressing them.

Hi Radar

Thanks for posting please find below some feedback minus the insults which I hope is clear and kind of constructive.

In 2009 SOE took the decision to merge its existing Planetside servers into a single server Gemini. This brought together the existing global Planetside base into a single environment in which loyal paying customer created new bonds and continued to play the game they loved despite any significant content updates. In effect this has created a global private members club in which people pay to play with friends and a lot of time nostalgia. The global players of this club have been the games greatest advocates and some of the hype around Planetside 2 can be directly attributed to this worldwide community prior to any major push from SOE. This may have been an unforeseen consequence, but it is a direct effect of the business decision to merge the servers. SOE you have created this community and in the main this community has support you by remaining subscribed to a zombie MMO Planetside 1.

We now receive the news that this “club” which was inadvertently created by SOE is now going to be disbanded and removed due to a change in the business model and a sharing of risk with a European partner. Great business decision for SOE and I fully understand why it is attractive. This does however have a considerable impact on your most loyal players and the ones who stuck with you despite no real support. In effect you have alienated your European player base and split your existing community. (It has not been confirmed about the I.P banning or not being able to play in the US but with out a formal statement from SOE i am airing on the side of caution)

Personally I do not feel as a paying customer to PS1 this is great customer service and if I would have known this 6 months ago I would have questioned keeping my subscription open. (back drop of account hacks possible personal data loss ect...)

A second and more interesting slant to what is unfolding is the question if the European servers are run by a separate company what would the impact be on access for Europeans to the Planetside 2 Beta?

We have been told time and time again that us PS1 players would be looked after as the game has been hyped and SOE has solicited the community. I am a subscribing player and still play PS1 I would hope I fall into this category. If this is not the case then, then that certainly leaves a sour taste in the mouth and with out meaning to sound over emotional discriminated against should other members of the private members club you created get to play.

A bit of a PR cock up at the moment but I am sure a formal statement will go a long way to counter act any irrational fears which may be surfacing in the community.

I do understand that there are winners and losers in any business decision. However burning advocates of the Planetside brand in such away does not seem overly smart. The adage no publicity is bad publicity is not strictly true in the digital age.

[Accuser]

Would I have to buy a Chinese version of the game to play it on their servers? I doubt I could get an English version that could work where I live...
This probably adds up to me not getting to play PS2 at all :(

[NewSith]

That is probably just an omission and we will be invaded by hacking 16 year old Russians.

If PS2's russian community does things right, then it will not be that bad. But despite that I'm still being a nazi towards my countrymen and imo Russia must have a separate server. I can always play with you via VPN.

[Lunarchild]

geo ip is a fucking joke, I could have cracked that shit at 13.

If you want, I'll youtube a 20 second fix on how to obliterate geoip :)

All I find is proxies / VPNs. No real fix ^^

[RadarX]

Hi Radar

Thanks for posting please find below some feedback minus the insults which I hope is clear and kind of constructive.

In 2009 SOE took the decision to merge its existing Planetside servers into a single server Gemini. This brought together the existing global Planetside base into a single environment in which loyal paying customer created new bonds and continued to play the game they loved despite any significant content updates. In effect this has created a global private members club in which people pay to play with friends and a lot of time nostalgia. The global players of this club have been the games greatest advocates and some of the hype around Planetside 2 can be directly attributed to this worldwide community prior to any major push from SOE. This may have been an unforeseen consequence, but it is a direct effect of the business decision to merge the servers. SOE you have created this community and in the main this community has support you by remaining subscribed to a zombie MMO Planetside 1.

We now receive the news that this “club” which was inadvertently created by SOE is now going to be disbanded and removed due to a change in the business model and a sharing of risk with a European partner. Great business decision for SOE and I fully understand why it is attractive. This does however have a considerable impact on your most loyal players and the ones who stuck with you despite no real support. In effect you have alienated your European player base and split your existing community. (It has not been confirmed about the I.P banning or not being able to play in the US but with out a formal statement from SOE i am airing on the side of caution)

Personally I do not feel as a paying customer to PS1 this is great customer service and if I would have known this 6 months ago I would have questioned keeping my subscription open. (back drop of account hacks possible personal data loss ect...)

A second and more interesting slant to what is unfolding is the question if the European servers are run by a separate company what would the impact be on access for Europeans to the Planetside 2 Beta?

We have been told time and time again that us PS1 players would be looked after as the game has been hyped and SOE has solicited the community. I am a subscribing player and still play PS1 I would hope I fall into this category. If this is not the case then, then that certainly leaves a sour taste in the mouth and with out meaning to sound over emotional discriminated against should other members of the private members club you created get to play.

A bit of a PR cock up at the moment but I am sure a formal statement will go a long way to counter act any irrational fears which may be surfacing in the community.

I do understand that there are winners and losers in any business decision. However burning advocates of the Planetside brand in such away does not seem overly smart. The adage no publicity is bad publicity is not strictly true in the digital age.

I wanted to thank you personally for taking the time to write this up. This, in it's entirely, is the kind of feedback that goes straight up the pipe. I realize this is difficult news to receive, and wish I had more specifics I could provide. This transition is affecting the bulk of SOE's customers, both current and future, so it's difficult to convey just how large of a project this is. We (this includes SOE's decision makers) do recognize it's impact and we are out there right now listening.

[Vash02]

geo ip is a fucking joke, I could have cracked that shit at 13.

If you want, I'll youtube a 20 second fix on how to obliterate geoip :)

Can you hack into SOE and give me my Vet benifets on both Pro7 and SOE accounts? I'm betting you cant.

[Mirror]

Hi Radar

Thanks for posting please find below some feedback minus the insults which I hope is clear and kind of constructive.

In 2009 SOE took the decision to merge its existing Planetside servers into a single server Gemini. This brought together the existing global Planetside base into a single environment in which loyal paying customer created new bonds and continued to play the game they loved despite any significant content updates. In effect this has created a global private members club in which people pay to play with friends and a lot of time nostalgia. The global players of this club have been the games greatest advocates and some of the hype around Planetside 2 can be directly attributed to this worldwide community prior to any major push from SOE. This may have been an unforeseen consequence, but it is a direct effect of the business decision to merge the servers. SOE you have created this community and in the main this community has support you by remaining subscribed to a zombie MMO Planetside 1.

We now receive the news that this “club” which was inadvertently created by SOE is now going to be disbanded and removed due to a change in the business model and a sharing of risk with a European partner. Great business decision for SOE and I fully understand why it is attractive. This does however have a considerable impact on your most loyal players and the ones who stuck with you despite no real support. In effect you have alienated your European player base and split your existing community. (It has not been confirmed about the I.P banning or not being able to play in the US but with out a formal statement from SOE i am airing on the side of caution)

Personally I do not feel as a paying customer to PS1 this is great customer service and if I would have known this 6 months ago I would have questioned keeping my subscription open. (back drop of account hacks possible personal data loss ect...)

A second and more interesting slant to what is unfolding is the question if the European servers are run by a separate company what would the impact be on access for Europeans to the Planetside 2 Beta?

We have been told time and time again that us PS1 players would be looked after as the game has been hyped and SOE has solicited the community. I am a subscribing player and still play PS1 I would hope I fall into this category. If this is not the case then, then that certainly leaves a sour taste in the mouth and with out meaning to sound over emotional discriminated against should other members of the private members club you created get to play.

A bit of a PR cock up at the moment but I am sure a formal statement will go a long way to counter act any irrational fears which may be surfacing in the community.

I do understand that there are winners and losers in any business decision. However burning advocates of the Planetside brand in such away does not seem overly smart. The adage no publicity is bad publicity is not strictly true in the digital age.

this needs to go to soe.

great job.

[Knocky]

I imagine others more eloquent then I probably made more lugubrious posts than I could.

So I will simple say I am opposed to restriction on the world wide web.

[NewSith]

I imagine others more eloquent then I probably made more lugubrious posts than I could.

So I will simple say I am opposed to restriction on the world wide web.

You lazy person! :D

[Knocky]

You lazy person! :D

I just ate dinner....I am so lethargic right now I am thinking about crawling into bed....but who would make my White Russian if I did? :cry:

[NewSith]

On a note somehow related:

Does this mean SOE is still responsible for patches or we can expect different patches for different regions, like NCsoft and other companies do?

Because if the second scenario is in place, than even VPN won't help...

[SgtMAD]

anyone that has played any SOE game for as long as PS has been around knows SOE is going to screw it all up,its what they do best.

I told ya this was going to happen when I read the press release about the merger deal.

you have to realize SOE doesn't care what we have to say,they are looking for a market far larger than anything PS ever saw,even in its Hey Day and if you think a couple of hundred ppl are going to change anything SOE is doing then you haven't done the math,if this game draws in every old PS player and doesn't add a couple of hundred thousand new players then it is a failure.

[Hamma]

Agreed on Nephilimuk - excellent feedback and post!! :D
lol

http://img843.imageshack.us/img843/8566/72357294.png

:lol: ahhh irony

Then without trying to troll or offend you, you aren't doing it right.

You can make anything, well .. anything. It just takes time if it's intricate.

Shit here I go, better do it before I start drinking...

bare with me as this is as simplistic as I can make it.

DNS - domain naming server
With this you get a name (usually almost always numbers, but i can be alpha numeric on some systems, not windows though) from a domain server, simple enough right?

IP - internet protocol
with this you get an address from the protocol identifying who you are.

WINS - windows internet naming server
this is a bit complicated, but it gives tons of options on a 2003 /2008 windows server.

If it gets half assed intricate you will need to learn to modify wins, but i doubt it will go anywhere near that far.

SO. DNS gives you your name. You get your DNS from? Your internet provider.
SO. IP gives you your address, where you live. You get IP from? Your internet provider.

SO. when you do any lookup at all except for machine name, you look up their address, you want to know where they live, so you look up there IP. NOW.

If you change your domain naming servers, when SOE says "hey mother fucker, where is you fool" the IP protocol then looks at the domain naming server, and says "fool im in china" ...........

Does that make sense? It's actually quite easy when you learn the terminology if you break it down from the start.. I had a great teacher.

Duke - with all due respect the system does not rely totally on DNS and it MOST CERTAINLY does not have anything to do with WINS.

[ThGlump]

On a note somehow related:

Does this mean SOE is still responsible for patches or we can expect different patches for different regions, like NCsoft and other companies do?

Because if the second scenario is in place, than even VPN won't help...

Well then just patch over VPN. Patches will be probably different. EU version will have more localizations, and probably need to be changed to connect to different account system.

[Mastachief]

On a note somehow related:

Does this mean SOE is still responsible for patches or we can expect different patches for different regions, like NCsoft and other companies do?

Because if the second scenario is in place, than even VPN won't help...

The FAQ states that SOE will still control the servers and that patches "should" be at the same time "however timezones and local issues may cause slight delays" lets face it in SOE world a slight delay could be months.

[dsi]

This helps cement my lack of hope for Planetside 2.