Are you cancelling you SOE subscription due to the recent news?

[SuperMorto]

Yes I am and yes I have!

I had some big plans for PS2, but now every one of them just went out the window.

Well done SOE.

[BigBossMonkey]

I have nothing to cancel.

[Vancha]

I too had some plans in the pipeline, but now they consist wholly of advising people against playing anything by SOE. When a company cares so little about it's users, every one will get burnt eventually.

[Raymac]

You're not going to get me to support a boycott of a game that I've been literally dreaming about for years because of something like this.

[BigBossMonkey]

You're not going to get me to support a boycott of a game that I've been literally dreaming about for years because of something like this.

This.

We're lucky they still run the original Planetside severs, we're even luckier than that they even decided to make a sequel to an MMO that failed.

[Atheosim]

I don't understand why everybody is so fervently against making new friends and enemies.

[Lunarchild]

Nop, not going to cancel my SOE account. I however will not create or transfer to the apparently required Pro7 one in any case!

[Vancha]

I don't understand why everybody is so fervently against making new friends and enemies.
I don't need to be forcibly separated from my existent communities to be able to do that.

[Raymac]

I don't need to be forcibly separated from my existent communities to be able to do that.

You already were with The9 handling the Chinese market of Planetside, but nobody cried about that.

[Dart]

I cancelled mine today and took my time filling in the leaving questionnaire. Having had much experience with media corporations, particularly with overseeing customer retentions departments, I can tell you they take those comments very seriously indeed.

In fact I'd go so far as to say if every PSU member were to cancel their sub and write a strongly worded comment at the end of their questionnaire, SOE would be holding meetings to discuss the matter tomorrow morning.

[Vash02]

Not much point in keeping an SOE account if im not allowed to play any of its games.

[ThGlump]

I would if i had.

But maybe i do exact opposite. Ill get station access and if theyll tell me i cant access half of those games because im from EU ill sue them. I wont give up that easy, i waited too long for this game.

[Magpie]

I still like playing planetside, fighting men in suits never gets you far :(

[Dart]

I don't understand why everybody is so fervently against making new friends and enemies.

I'm all for making new friends and enemies as part of my gaming. That is why, 5 years ago, I decided to create and manage a gaming clan. With this "business decision" SOE and Pro7 are effectively telling me I shouldn't be running a clan which includes gamers from both sides of the Atlantic. That is my issue with this "business decision". If you can't understand that, there's nothing more I can tell you.

[Sta]

I don't understand why everybody is so fervently against making new friends and enemies.

fervently coz its probably just about money but against community...

[Atheosim]

I don't need to be forcibly separated from my existent communities to be able to do that.

I'm not talking about the capability of doing that. I'm talking about the willingness to do that. The entire uproar is about that communities are being separated, as if new ones cannot be created. I'm in agreeance that this was an audacious and maybe even entirely idiotic move on SOE's part, but what I think is more absurd is that people are so unwilling to create new communities that they're going to abandon the game entirely.

If this is a form of protest, then I'd say that it hasn't been well thought out. Letters, phone-calls, e-mails, and any and all forms of communication first must be enacted. Following that, a petition. But actually contributing to the death of a game you've never played because you're preemptively disappointed is childish and absurd.

[Vancha]

I don't need to be forcibly separated from my existent communities to be able to do that.

You already were with The9 handling the Chinese market of Planetside, but nobody cried about that.
Of the communities that come under "my existent communities", none of them were Chinese, so no, no I wasn't.

[WiteBeam]

It's really not as big of a deal to me I guess. I had just as much fun on Emerald before they brought the servers together. Yea it sucks that some outfits will have to say goodbye to some friends. I'm not going to miss any of the CN noobs. And how much do you think SOE cares about a very small handful of players that this bothers, out of 10s of thousands that will be playing PS2.
There is no way they will change it. They have probably been lining this up for over a year now. It's unfortunate.

[Figment]

Too early. I am going to avoid Pro7 for the time being, till I've been given reason to at the very least trust they won't abuse my personal data.

[Hamma]

You're not going to get me to support a boycott of a game that I've been literally dreaming about for years because of something like this.

This ;)

[Duddy]

Of the communities that come under "my existent communities", none of them were Chinese, so no, no I wasn't.

Indeed, you had to go to some length to even play with the Chinese.

This isn't to say that some may not have done so, nor that some of the Chinese players (who continued playing on the remaining servers after Chinaside was shut down) aren't affected by this, but we haven't heard anything to indicate either.

[Dart]

I'm not talking about the capability of doing that. I'm talking about the willingness to do that. The entire uproar is about that communities are being separated, as if new ones cannot be created. I'm in agreeance that this was an audacious and maybe even entirely idiotic move on SOE's part, but what I think is more absurd is that people are so unwilling to create new communities that they're going to abandon the game entirely.

If this is a form of protest, then I'd say that it hasn't been well thought out. Letters, phone-calls, e-mails, and any and all forms of communication first must be enacted. Following that, a petition. But actually contributing to the death of a game you've never played because you're preemptively disappointed is childish and absurd.

I've spent 5 years building a community. It is more important to me that any other aspect of gaming. My clan and I play many games together - PlanetSide having been just one of them. While I'd love it if we were around to defend our title as winners of the Outfit Wars and continue enjoying the next incarnation of PS2, SOE and Pro7 seem to be prohibiting that. Therefore I'm going to make the most visible statement of my discontent possible. As I've said, I have a lot of corporate experience in this matter. If you believe letters, emails or petitions are more valuable or visible than exit questionnaires, you are mistaken.

[WiteBeam]

No balls.

[dsi]

You're not going to get me to support a boycott of a game that I've been literally dreaming about for years because of something like this.

This.

Is the problem with gaming today. This is why companies even decide to pull bullshit like this. This is why Activision and EA are so successful. People like you encourage people like them to screw over everyone else.

I'm glad I had nothing to cancel though :groovy:

But, if I didn't already disagree with P2W and refused to buy anything from SOE for PS2, I would certainly be refusing to pay now.

[Raymac]

Of the communities that come under "my existent communities", none of them were Chinese, so no, no I wasn't.

Have ya played Planetside in the last few years? Then you've played with and against CN players. They are part of the community, just as much as anyone else. Not 1 person said 1 word about The9 "segregating" the community.

[Whalenator]

But, if I didn't already disagree with P2W and refused to buy anything from SOE for PS2, I would certainly be refusing to pay now.

Wait, if you already disagree ever so adamantly with Planetside 2 you would never purchase anything from Sony Online Entertainment, why are you on this forum? Or are you only referring to their microtransaction revenue model?

[Hmr85]

No, I'm not going to cancel my sub nor do I intend to. Sure its BS... I'm not going to get into it. With that said I am going to give them the benefit of the doubt that they will take care of this issue. Smed himself said he is working on it and at the moment that is good enough for me. I love Planetside and even if this does not get worked out I will still be playing PS2.

[LostSoul]

No. They can't keep me away from Planetside one, even after all their massive failures. Neither SOE, Pro7, You or anyone else can keep me away from Planetside 2. I highly doubt it'll fail because of this Pro7 shit.

Time will tell. We've made our statements (as community) the ball is at SOE's.

[dsi]

Wait, if you already disagree ever so adamantly with Planetside 2 you would never purchase anything from Sony Online Entertainment, why are you on this forum? Or are you only referring to their microtransaction revenue model?

Just referring to microtransaction. No news = bad news. (Although PS2 already has a lot of problems just based off of what they've told us)

[Vancha]

I'm not talking about the capability of doing that. I'm talking about the willingness to do that. The entire uproar is about that communities are being separated, as if new ones cannot be created. I'm in agreeance that this was an audacious and maybe even entirely idiotic move on SOE's part, but what I think is more absurd is that people are so unwilling to create new communities that they're going to abandon the game entirely.

If this is a form of protest, then I'd say that it hasn't been well thought out. Letters, phone-calls, e-mails, and any and all forms of communication first must be enacted. Following that, a petition. But actually contributing to the death of a game you've never played because you're preemptively disappointed is childish and absurd.
The problem is that these aren't just single-game communities. These are the same communities that carried Planetside through it's years. They're communities that we've grown up in and played multiple games with, together.

My complaint isn't as much with the inability to play with my friends itself, as it is with SOE demonstrating a complete lack of consideration, respect or gratitude to it's players. They've shown that they still don't give a single shit about us. They've shown that they still haven't learnt their lesson, despite the fact that it's brought them to a make-or-break scenario regarding the success of PS2 and EQ3. They've shown that even when they have a guaranteed win on their hands, they are determined to fuck it up by doing something no one wanted them to do.

Do I think such a company deserves to be successful? No. Do I think such a company deserves to fail? Absolutely.

Letters, phone-calls, e-mails and all such forms of communication fall upon deaf ears for a company that cares only about it's bottom line. To them, the only thing that talks is money, and they'll only start listening when that money starts to disappear.

I'll abandon this game not because I can't play with my friends, but because I can't bring myself to support such a sleazy company by playing it's game.

[Whalenator]

Also, keep in mind that this is SOE's game, not ours.
It's not their priority to keep the players happy... Nor have they often put that as their priority. SOE killed Planetside. SOE killed SWG. These wounds never heal. Don't get your hopes extremely high for Planetside 2.

[WiteBeam]

So 25% of you guys are completely done with PS and PS2? BS

[Vancha]

Have ya played Planetside in the last few years? Then you've played with and against CN players. They are part of the community, just as much as anyone else. Not 1 person said 1 word about The9 "segregating" the community.
I only played with the CN players during the free 45 days, but from what I could see, they were already pretty segregated. On NC, they all played with each other and you couldn't get a response from most of them even if you whispered to them directly.

They may have been on the same server, but if you think that automatically makes them part of the community, then we both have very different ideas about what the word "community" means.

Edit:
So 25% of you guys are completely done with PS and PS2? BS
I'm not sure why you think everyone has such little resolve? Is it beyond the realms of belief that people are willing to remove their support of a company that operates in a way they find unacceptable?

For a lot of people, myself included, this is the worst case scenario. Beyond something ridiculous like a mandatory $50 monthly subscription fee, there is literally nothing else they could have done to stop us wanting to play this game. The only possible avenue they'd left themselves to make people abandon their game and they went down it like Sonic the hedgehog on crack.

[stordito]

i will decide when it's time.
right now i just removed sensible data from the profile,just in case.
99% EU will not be in the beta so screw the "keep the profile updated so we can pass your data to our partners".
i will grow anger watching US dudebro players with no clue getting in beta thanks to a magazine,i will watch how the regional lock works,i will add the other (good or bad) things that we might discover from now to 2013,than i will decide...
right now? i'll have some time in tribes ascent...

[Nephilimuk]

I am going to wait to see what happens and not do anything knee jerk or rash. It's in the balance though.

[Duddy]

Have ya played Planetside in the last few years? Then you've played with and against CN players. They are part of the community, just as much as anyone else. Not 1 person said 1 word about The9 "segregating" the community.

That's somewhat fallacious though Ray, they were originally segregated in the first place.

It's only when the Chinese servers went down we had a huge influx of players into the English speaking servers.

As eluded to earlier, perhaps there are some that would prefer not to be tied to The9. If there are, then they haven't made themselves known or we simply don't know about it.

Either way that is not a valid deconstruction of the issue here.

[Whalenator]

right now? i'll have some time in tribes ascent[sic]...

YES :D

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[Rumblepit]

well this has no effect on my plans.SA has been recruiting NA players for the last few months, and those that were already in the outfit and not from NA knew this mite happen.

[Raymac]

I only played with the CN players during the free 45 days, but from what I could see, they were already pretty segregated. On NC, they all played with each other and you couldn't get a response from most of them even if you whispered to them directly.

They may have been on the same server, but if you think that automatically makes them part of the community, then we both have very different ideas about what the word "community" means.

Edit:

I'm not sure why you think everyone has such little resolve? Is it beyond the realms of belief that people are willing to remove their support of a company that operates in a way they find unacceptable?

Then we do have a different sense of the word "community" because I fought side by side with CN players every time I played in recent years and just because there was a language barrier that didn't mean I didn't appreciate their presence. In fact, I hold them in high regard because I feel were it not for the CN players, Planetside would have been shut down.

As for your edit, it's a free world. You can decide to support any company you want. Personally, when I weigh this against everything the developers have been doing this entire time, I'm choosing to still want to play the game. This may sound cold, as much as it sucks to have gaming clans split by this, I'll learn to live with fewer accents and generally lower pings.

[Aurmanite]

Way to be rational everyone. Great show of class and character.

Can you also delete your accounts here too?

[Grognard]

There is no way I will cancel, my main contact is my daughter for this game, and she is regionally local (same room...). But I do see the point of the europeans, I speak some german, and I always enjoyed talking to them (partial ancestry) when I got the chance, mostly cause I cant understand a word of Scottish (other part)... :)

[Scrima]

You already were with The9 handling the Chinese market of Planetside, but nobody cried about that.

So true, so true...

[Dart]

So 25% of you guys are completely done with PS and PS2? BS

I don't think that was the poll question. I cancelled my subscription in order to fill in the comments section at the end of the form. As I've said, there is a team at SOE who is paid to scour those and present them to their boss, either on a weekly or fortnightly basis. He is the reason I cancelled my subscription this morning.

[Raymac]

That's somewhat fallacious though Ray, they were originally segregated in the first place.

It's only when the Chinese servers went down we had a huge influx of players into the English speaking servers.

As eluded to earlier, perhaps there are some that would prefer not to be tied to The9. If there are, then they haven't made themselves known or we simply don't know about it.

Either way that is not a valid deconstruction of the issue here.

No, it's a valid point because lets face it, most EU players played on Werner until Gemini was the only option. It's an extremely fair comparison. The only difference is the language barrier kept the CN bonds at arms length for the most part, but they were still an important component of the community.

[Dart]

No, it's a valid point because lets face it, most EU players played on Werner until Gemini was the only option. It's an extremely fair comparison. The only difference is the language barrier kept the CN bonds at arms length for the most part, but they were still an important component of the community.

You would be amazed how many Brits played on Emerald since the start of PlanetSide. Very well-known, high profile CR5s. To say that the Euros came over when Gemini was created is inaccurate. Hell, DT won the Outfit Wars on Emerald in 2005 and half of our Outfit is EU based.

[SuperMorto]

This poll is flawed, it should have 4 options:

No EU
Yes EU

No US
Yes US

As I can imagine a lot of the yes's are from the US who will still be under the crazy illusion that Planetside2 is going to be anything like Planetside 1. you can trust SOE as much as we cant trust ProS.1

If you split PS1 player base right now what would you have? 30 people on the server. Work it out, the 3 year plan is a money making plan nothing more. The game will be dead after that. It cant survive today requirements for Outfits/Clans running with blocked ip's. Other games like SC2 or WOW or LOL can as they are NOT MMO FPS's with 333 people on each side.

I want to play Planetside2 so bad, but I also wanted to play it with my current Outfit Azur Twilight, and it seem I can not. Instead I have to join or make a new one.

Another point is the massive amount of project I have got going on regarding this one game. I recently purchased the URL>> PlanetsideTV.com, this show how dam fucking interested I was in this game, far more than some of you folks make out. but how can I run a PS2 internet TV channel for a community that will be split in half???

All the hard work I have put in recently has been thrown out the window by SOE. And no its not just because of the news, its because it has ruined my plans to help PS2. They have fucked me over and didnt even ask my opinion. Also everything I was doing was to make the PS community better. And you wonder why Im fucking pissed!!!

[CidHighwind]

I know this is an incredibly simplified view of what's going on, but this is honestly how some of this sounds to me.

Example follows:

A twelve year-old and his similarly aged friend are playing tag. One arbitrarily says that the other must go play with 'kids like himself.' Twelve year-old has two options.

1.) "Screw you, I quit" *goes to sulk*
2.) "Screw you, and I will outlogic and out-argue you by whatever means necessary until you see and recognize how wrong you are."

Apply this situation.

Again, I REALLY am not trying to troll anyone. I get the arguement. Friends are involved, and the right of choice is involved. I SUPPORT THAT. but honestly, reacting with option one is childish and unproductive. Option 1 is why GOVERNMENTS get to do what they want, because people do the least possible and then sit back in anger, rather than getting angry and doing something PRODUCTIVE.

/end personal opinion

[Figment]

I don't need to be forcibly separated from my existent communities to be able to do that.

You already were with The9 handling the Chinese market of Planetside, but nobody cried about that.

No, but the Chinese market requires a different publisher as the language and cultures are that different.

However, even then we wern't told they would be locked into their own region completely. Even if we may expect something like that would be the case because of Chinese internet censoring and laws. Plus, they did that segregation before they were joined with Markov, after which they didn't integrate as strongly as other servers. The majority of CN played almost segregated from the rest of us, even when playing PS on the same server. The language barrier was the main cause of that.

[Duddy]

No, it's a valid point because lets face it, most EU players played on Werner until Gemini was the only option. It's an extremely fair comparison. The only difference is the language barrier kept the CN bonds at arms length for the most part, but they were still an important component of the community.

Well I'm a living contradiction to what you are saying because I played on Emerald from my very first day.

You're right that initially it was because I "had to", but I made friends there and became part of a community there.

So it's probably only a fair comparison for those that were forced to do so and probably only kept within their own community.

[Whalenator]

1.) "Screw you, I quit" *goes to sulk*
2.) "Screw you, and I will outlogic and out-argue you by whatever means necessary until you see and recognize how wrong you are."

3.) "Screw you, you never listen to me. You don't even care. I'm going to boycott you because it's the only way to get it through your thick skull."

I think that's what they're going for.

[Atheosim]

I know this is an incredibly simplified view of what's going on, but this is honestly how some of this sounds to me.

Example follows:

A twelve year-old and his similarly aged friend are playing tag. One arbitrarily says that the other must go play with 'kids like himself.' Twelve year-old has two options.

1.) "Screw you, I quit" *goes to sulk*
2.) "Screw you, and I will outlogic and out-argue you by whatever means necessary until you see and recognize how wrong you are."

Apply this situation.

Again, I REALLY am not trying to troll anyone. I get the arguement. Friends are involved, and the right of choice is involved. I SUPPORT THAT. but honestly, reacting with option one is childish and unproductive. Option 1 is why GOVERNMENTS get to do what they want, because people do the least possible and then sit back in anger, rather than getting angry and doing something PRODUCTIVE.

/end personal opinion


What I'm saying. Thank you.

[Dart]

Another point is the massive amount of project I have got going on regarding this one game. I recently purchased the URL>> PlanetsideTV.com, this show how dam fucking interested I was in this game, far more than some of you folks make out. but how can I run a PS2 internet TV channel for a community that will be split in half???

All the hard work I have put in recently has been thrown out the window by SOE. And no its not just because of the news, its because it has ruined my plans to help PS2. They have fucked me over and didnt even ask my opinion. Also everything I was doing was to make the PS community better. And you wonder why Im fucking pissed!!!

Keep faith. I know I sound particularly pessimistic tonight but I'm still confident, even if the worst comes to the worst and there are IP locks in place, we'll find a way round them. I'm sure guys like Francko and Nobel will be doing likewise with AT. If someone in DT does come up with a solution when the time comes, I'll make sure we let as many people know who want it.

[Nephilimuk]

No, it's a valid point because lets face it, most EU players played on Werner until Gemini was the only option.

Most of the guys I played with on Werner had multiple accounts and we would switch servers (Emerald) to constantly be in prime time. You would be amazed how many other Werner players did this even when the servers had high pop (2004)

[Aurmanite]

Time to pack it in Morto. We appreciate everything up to this point, you had a fine run.

Just delete your PSU account and remove yourself from the whole situation. You don't need to antagonize over it any more.

Planetside 2 is dead to you, so you don't have any reason to stick around the fansite, or at the very least the PS2 portion of it.

We're gonna miss you.

[CidHighwind]

3.) "Screw you, you never listen to me. You don't even care. I'm going to boycott you because it's the only way to get it through your thick skull."

I think that's what they're going for.

The unfortunate part about doing that is that they no longer NEED to care about you anymore at this point. If you give up on them, then you have no more relevance to them either...

[Raymac]

You would be amazed how many Brits played on Emerald since the start of PlanetSide. Very well-known, high profile CR5s. To say that the Euros came over when Gemini was created is inaccurate. Hell, DT won the Outfit Wars on Emerald in 2005 and half of our Outfit is EU based.

I didn't say EVERYONE, but let's be honest with ourselves here. It was mostly Werner.

[Vancha]

I know this is an incredibly simplified view of what's going on, but this is honestly how some of this sounds to me.

Example follows:

A twelve year-old and his similarly aged friend are playing tag. One arbitrarily says that the other must go play with 'kids like himself.' Twelve year-old has two options.

1.) "Screw you, I quit" *goes to sulk*
2.) "Screw you, and I will outlogic and out-argue you by whatever means necessary until you see and recognize how wrong you are."

Apply this situation.

Again, I REALLY am not trying to troll anyone. I get the arguement. Friends are involved, and the right of choice is involved. I SUPPORT THAT. but honestly, reacting with option one is childish and unproductive. Option 1 is why GOVERNMENTS get to do what they want, because people do the least possible and then sit back in anger, rather than getting angry and doing something PRODUCTIVE.

/end personal opinion
The question is whether "outlogic-ing" and outarguing them are actually productive. They've said they're listening, but that's irrelevant if they're going to go ahead regardless. Like I said before, if our opinions can't change their minds, then money is the only thing that talks.

This isn't the first time we've been treated badly and there comes a point where picking up your ball and going home is the only thing they might take notice of.

[Reginald]

Nothing to cancel, I've been exempt from the subscription for quite some time now, no I won't go into details. However cancelling your subscription will have no effect on the outcome of the proposed region blocking. What we should be doing is expressing our deepest desire for this to not happen(emails, facebook, twitter; places where the issue will gain lots of publicity and SOE has no control over moderation), while creating/discovering all the possible ways to circumvent any regional segregration that may be present come release, should our worst fears become a reality.

[Whalenator]

We're gonna miss you.

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/jezebel/2010/10/cryingdawson.gif

A real shame.

[Dart]

I know this is an incredibly simplified view of what's going on, but this is honestly how some of this sounds to me.

Example follows:

A twelve year-old and his similarly aged friend are playing tag. One arbitrarily says that the other must go play with 'kids like himself.' Twelve year-old has two options.

1.) "Screw you, I quit" *goes to sulk*
2.) "Screw you, and I will outlogic and out-argue you by whatever means necessary until you see and recognize how wrong you are."

Apply this situation.

Again, I REALLY am not trying to troll anyone. I get the arguement. Friends are involved, and the right of choice is involved. I SUPPORT THAT. but honestly, reacting with option one is childish and unproductive. Option 1 is why GOVERNMENTS get to do what they want, because people do the least possible and then sit back in anger, rather than getting angry and doing something PRODUCTIVE.

/end personal opinion

Please go back and read my first reply to the thread. As someone who has been on the opposite side of this kind of PR backlash, the most productive thing you can do is to reach their account retention/cancellation supervisor. A very quick, very effective way of doing that is by committing your convictions to print on the exit questionnaire when you cancel your subscription. In fact I'd go so far as to say it's the most effective way an individual can make a company hear their dissatisfaction. They hold meetings and have spreadsheets detailing that feedback - trust me.

My cancellation of my subscription was in no way a knee-jerk or petulant act.

[Atheosim]

My cancellation of my subscription was in no way a knee-jerk or petulant act.

Are you everybody?

[CidHighwind]

The question is whether "outlogic-ing" and outarguing them are actually productive. They've said they're listening, but that's irrelevant if they're going to go ahead regardless. Like I said before, if our opinions can't change their minds, then money is the only thing that talks.

This isn't the first time we've been treated badly and there comes a point where picking up your ball and going home is the only thing they might take notice of.

This really does get to the point.. does getting up and losing your business really affect them, or does it just make them say "well, there goes one that wasn't worth the money and effort anyway, just like we thought..."

Im flustered by all this too, I just don't think boycott is the right answer at this point. If anything, public outcry with media involvement IS.

[WiteBeam]

I'm not sure why you think everyone has such little resolve? Is it beyond the realms of belief that people are willing to remove their support of a company that operates in a way they find unacceptable?

For a lot of people, myself included, this is the worst case scenario. Beyond something ridiculous like a mandatory $50 monthly subscription fee, there is literally nothing else they could have done to stop us wanting to play this game. The only possible avenue they'd left themselves to make people abandon their game and they went down it like Sonic the hedgehog on crack.

It's no different then having to move and make friends at a new school. I agree that it sucks, but I don't understand how anyone can just say they won't play the game now.
They didn't do this to piss anyone off or lose players. They did it for better customer support.

[Aurmanite]

http://cache.gawker.com/assets/images/jezebel/2010/10/cryingdawson.gif

A real shame.

That picture sums up the reaction of so many people on this site.

The news sucks, it's kinda terrible, its not what we wanted.

This thread though, is ridiculous. Entitled, whining, brats. That's not to say that some of the posts in this thread have great points...but nothing justifies this reaction.

It's ridiculous.

[ThGlump]

I know this is an incredibly simplified view of what's going on, but this is honestly how some of this sounds to me.

Example follows:

A twelve year-old and his similarly aged friend are playing tag. One arbitrarily says that the other must go play with 'kids like himself.' Twelve year-old has two options.

1.) "Screw you, I quit" *goes to sulk*
2.) "Screw you, and I will outlogic and out-argue you by whatever means necessary until you see and recognize how wrong you are."

Apply this situation.

Again, I REALLY am not trying to troll anyone. I get the arguement. Friends are involved, and the right of choice is involved. I SUPPORT THAT. but honestly, reacting with option one is childish and unproductive. Option 1 is why GOVERNMENTS get to do what they want, because people do the least possible and then sit back in anger, rather than getting angry and doing something PRODUCTIVE.

/end personal opinion

So you say we should accept everything they do to us, lower our heads and carry on? Where is your spine?

I chose SOE to play with. Then one day they said me, you can play with us anymore, we sold you, you must play with pro7 (and have no other chance). You know what this resemble? SLAVERY. Selling communities like meat and cash cows.

Im not a slave. I can chose. I chose SOE to play with, if i cant then i chose not to play at all.

[Aurmanite]

So you say we should accept everything they do to us, lower our heads and carry on? Where is your spine?

I chose SOE to play with. Then one day they said me, you can play with us anymore, we sold you, you must play with pro7 (and have no other chance). You know what this resemble? SLAVERY. Selling communities like meat and cash cows.

Im not a slave. I can chose. I chose SOE to play with, if i cant then i chose not to play at all.

You are crossing so many lines here it has gone beyond any sort of rationale.

Slavery? I am fucking embarrassed for you.

[CidHighwind]

So you say we should accept everything they do to us, lower our heads and carry on? Where is your spine?

I chose SOE to play with. Then one day they said me, you can play with us anymore, we sold you, you must play with pro7 (and have no other chance). You know what this resemble? SLAVERY. Selling communities like meat and cash cows.

Im not a slave. I can chose. I chose SOE to play with, if i cant then i chose not to play at all.

On the contrary, I say that you should do EVERYTHING you can short of pulling all support for a game you love... cancelling your sub? Fine. Giving up on the company and abandoning the fight to get them to rethink? HELL NO.

If anything, I'm saying that the *goes to sulk* part is the wrong answer. I don't blame anyone for cancelling a subscription, I just think you have more SWAY if you keep it and argue than if you cancel and argue.

[WaryWizard]

Now I never played Planetside before, and I'm not going to assume to know every detail of the current situation.

If I was part of this community for the past 8 years playing alongside people I grew to call comrades,even though they were continents away, then I would be pretty pissed if I was forced to leave that community.

I completely understand why some people will quit the game.

This game may be free to play, but if I'm on a us server at 4 AM then I doubt there will be more than 100 people total. Different timezones make for a constant fight. Those dull moments are...well dull.

like I said I don't know what is currently happening so correct me on what is wrong.

[basti]

As said on twitter, im not doing pointless boycott myself. I direct my energy into improving the situation, or organice a mass boycott properly.

A mass boycott against SOE wont do a thing. What we need to make sure is that Pro7 realizes whats going to happen if they screw up.

[Atheosim]

You are crossing so many lines here it has gone beyond any sort of rationale.

Slavery? I am fucking embarrassed for you.

qft :rolleyes:

[Vancha]

This really does get to the point.. does getting up and losing your business really affect them, or does it just make them say "well, there goes one that wasn't worth the money and effort anyway, just like we thought..."

Im flustered by all this too, I just don't think boycott is the right answer at this point. If anything, public outcry with media involvement IS.
Like I say, even if it doesn't make a difference, I can't in good conscience support such a company by playing it's game.

Edit: Not to mention, I have public outcry with media involvement covered, too. ;)

It's no different then having to move and make friends at a new school. I agree that it sucks, but I don't understand how anyone can just say they won't play the game now.
They didn't do this to piss anyone off or lose players. They did it for better customer support.
Erm, no. Being loyal to a company that then sells you off to another one to make a quick buck is not the same as having to move house because daddy got a new job. I see where you're coming from, but it doesn't hold up.

Obviously they didn't do this just to piss us off and lose our custom, but do you really believe this is about providing a superior service? Really?

[Zulthus]

Absolutely not. We've all wanted this game for so long and now you've cancelled your SOE account due to this one thing? That's really sad. I feel sorry for all who have decided to leave.


Everyone is blowing this WAY out of proportion. It's a damn region lock, calling it SLAVERY? Has absolutely nothing to do and in no way at all could ever be related to this business decision. Seriously, was that pulled out of your ass or what?

[Aurmanite]

When the going gets tough, the tough cry more and go home.

Stand up for what you believe in... by running away at the first sight of trouble.

[Vancha]

When the going gets tough, the tough cry more and go home.

Stand up for what you believe in... by running away at the first sight of trouble.
Tell me, how do you get through to a company that doesn't care about it's players and only cares about money, other than by impacting their money?

If they renege on their deal with prosieben, then I'll take it all back, but the fact that they made this decision without us speaks volumes about the extent to which they care about our opinion, regardless of how eloquently we state it.

[Zulthus]

Tell me, how do you get through to a company that doesn't care about it's players and only cares about money, other than by impacting their money?

If they renege on their deal with prosieben, then I'll take it all back, but the fact that they made this decision without us speaks volumes about the extent to which they give a damn about us.

Higby already said it's technical issues and I believe him. Correct me if I'm wrong, but you don't work at SOE upper management, do you? Please let me know how you have discovered their exact intentions.

Nothing we say or do could prevent something like that from happening anyway. Just because they made the decision doesn't mean they don't give a damn about us. They wouldn't be on a FAN SITE dumping loads of awesome info on our heads, or even MAKING this game for us if they didn't give a damn about us.

[ThGlump]

On the contrary, I say that you should do EVERYTHING you can short of pulling all support for a game you love... cancelling your sub? Fine. Giving up on the company and abandoning the fight to get them to rethink? HELL NO.

If anything, I'm saying that the *goes to sulk* part is the wrong answer. I don't blame anyone for cancelling a subscription, I just think you have more SWAY if you keep it and argue than if you cancel and argue.

Well whats everything?
Creating pro7 account and playing = sulking and accepting it without a word.
Staying with soe, and unable to play due ip block = unacceptable by you.

Words wont do anything. So i chose staying with soe, and hope in no ip block (or fast proxy). If that dont work then bye ps2, i had no other option. Thats the way of my "canceling account". Im trying everything to stay and enjoy game, but they just put more and more obstacles in my way so i cant.

[Aurmanite]

Tell me, how do you get through to a company that doesn't care about it's players and only cares about money, other than by impacting their money?

If they renege on their deal with prosieben, then I'll take it all back, but the fact that they made this decision without us speaks volumes about the extent to which they care about our opinion, regardless of how eloquently we state it.

If you think you are important enough that you should be consulted before major business decisions are made, you are being the epitome of an entitled brat. In every single way a huge company can, they have showed us that they care about what we think. The evidence is all around us.

This decision causes us a mild to moderate inconvenience. It is not as big of a deal that it is being made out to be. Not to mention the fact that it is very likely that compromise can be made and solutions can be found.

Instead of everyone losing their mind like a bunch of bratty children who didn't get what they wanted for Christmas, let us exercise a little patience and understanding. Let's see what happens.

Or go buck-fucking-wild and e-rage and ragequit.

Whatever floats your boat.

[Scrima]

Obviously they didn't do this just to piss us off and lose our custom, but do you really believe this is about providing a superior service? Really?

In the end a business is about money, and SOE is a business. BUT, money is being exchanged. They're not doing it for the fun of it. Value needs to be added. Pro7 needs to generate this enhanced value, and since PS2 is FTP, it will need to come through the marketplace:
-More marketplace sales per customer because Pro7 has better customer knowledge/expertise in the areas/better localisation of features, translations, advertising, etc.
-More customers because of better advertising, existing playerbase, etc.
-Better/longer term customers for the same reasons.

Alternatively, the costs of support for the EU player base are cheaper through Pro7 than through SOE itself. Thus saving money, which is almost as good as making more money.

They know that they would lose some players because of their decision, but they know they will gain more/keep more/get more players that are willing to spend money to support the companies in the game because of this decision.

[Vancha]

Higby already said it's technical issues and I believe him. Correct me if I'm wrong, but you don't work at SOE upper management, do you? Please let me know how you have discovered their exact intentions.

Nothing we say or do could prevent something like that from happening anyway. Just because they made the decision doesn't mean they don't give a damn about us. They wouldn't be on a FAN SITE dumping loads of awesome info on our heads, or even MAKING this game for us if they didn't give a damn about us.
Oh, I'm sorry, do you think the development team are the same people responsible for this decision? Higby, T-Ray, Radar (I know he's not a dev) etc. are awesome. I don't blame them for this and I don't doubt they care about the players. Hell, I imagine they're the only ones that might be fighting our corner against the higher-ups.

This is a business decision that's been made by SOE's businessmen. It's about money.

[ThGlump]

It's a damn region lock, calling it SLAVERY?

I didnt say region lock = slavery. I said selling customers so they can work (make money) to other company is no different from selling slaves. But we arent slaves, so we have option not to accept our new master :)
Region lock is more like cage to keep slaves in, so they cant run back to their former owner.

[Zulthus]

Oh, I'm sorry, do you think the development team are the same people responsible for this decision? Higby, T-Ray, Radar (I know he's not a dev) etc. are awesome. I don't blame them for this and I don't doubt they care about the players. Hell, I imagine they're the only ones that might be fighting our corner against the higher-ups.

This is a business decision that's been made by SOE's businessmen. It's about money.

Oh, you're totally right. Well, good riddance if you're done with SOE and all that. I agree with Aurmanite, you're acting like an entitled brat.

[Vancha]

If you think you are important enough that you should be consulted before major business decisions are made, you are being the epitome of an entitled brat. In every single way a huge company can, they have showed us that they care about what we think. The evidence is all around us.
The people who've shown they care about us are not the same people responsible for this and you know it.

And I didn't say I should be consulted. I said we should be consulted, because they said they would (that's going back a while).


Instead of everyone losing their mind like a bunch of bratty children who didn't get what they wanted for Christmas, let us exercise a little patience and understanding. Let's see what happens.

Or go buck-fucking-wild and e-rage and ragequit.

Whatever floats your boat.
You realize no matter how many times you compare us to children, it won't change our minds, right? You could call me a child a hundred times and it wouldn't make me suddenly go "Oh, oh yes, of course, they did this in my best interest, clearly."

In the end a business is about money, and SOE is a business. BUT, money is being exchanged. They're not doing it for the fun of it. Value needs to be added. Pro7 needs to generate this enhanced value, and since PS2 is FTP, it will need to come through the marketplace:
-More marketplace sales per customer because Pro7 has better customer knowledge/expertise in the areas/better localisation of features, translations, advertising, etc.
-More customers because of better advertising, existing playerbase, etc.
-Better/longer term customers for the same reasons.

Alternatively, the costs of support for the EU player base are cheaper through Pro7 than through SOE itself. Thus saving money, which is almost as good as making more money.

They know that they would lose some players because of their decision, but they know they will gain more/keep more/get more players that are willing to spend money to support the companies in the game because of this decision.
There comes times when a company needs to choose between what's best for it's customers and what's best for it's profit margins. Like I say, anything other than this would be tolerable.

Edit:
Oh, you're totally right. Well, good riddance if you're done with SOE and all that. I agree with Aurmanite, you're acting like an entitled brat.
If expecting a modicum of gratitude from SOE towards the communities that were the life blood of Planetside and have supported both PS and PS2 through word of mouth advertising, providing ideas and providing feedback makes me an entitled brat, then fine. In that case I'm happy being an entitled brat.

[Aurmanite]

I didnt say region lock = slavery. I said selling customers so they can work (make money) to other company is no different from selling slaves. But we arent slaves, so we have option not to accept our new master :)
Region lock is more like cage to keep slaves in, so they cant run back to their former owner.

This is shit. Complete shit.

I have to stop reading this thread because it is drawing my ire in a major way. I have nothing but contempt for you fucking nitwits. I don't want to be banned because I have to deal with some fucking idiot equating server region lock to slavery.

50 years ago we had some respect for words like 'Nazi' and 'slavery'. These days any loser with a keyboard and an under developed frontal lobe can hop on a computer and spew the most infuriating bullshit...

Fuck!

[Raymac]

Yeah, comparing this to slavery is racist as hell. Maybe you are european and don't understand the complexity of American race relations, but just back away from that metaphor and use a different one.

[Mirror]

I cancelled my sub I dont want anything to do with Pro7 or whatever they are called.

[Aurmanite]

Yeah, comparing this to slavery is racist as hell. Maybe you are european and don't understand the complexity of American race relations, but just back away from that metaphor and use a different one.

There was plenty of slavery in Europe through out the years. America ain't the center of the world.

[Gandhi]

Higby already said it's technical issues and I believe him. Correct me if I'm wrong, but you don't work at SOE upper management, do you? Please let me know how you have discovered their exact intentions.
He said it's a technical decision to have regional servers, which isn't the point. Every MMO has regional servers, but not every MMO forces you into them. Besides it's not just a regional server, it's a regional server run by a third party with a very bad reputation. Besides that, it's not just the server they're running but everything else as well, from applying patches to managing the cash shop. Besides that it's not a brand new game we're talking about, they're splitting up existing communities in all their games with this move.

[polywomple]

what are people worried about

Can't play with your Euro friends. Make some new friends?

Euros can't play beta? Uhh who cares? It's not even confirmed

[Raymac]

There was plenty of slavery in Europe through out the years. America ain't the center of the world.

Chill, dude. I'm on your side.

[Aurmanite]

Chill, dude. I'm on your side.

I'm not unchill. I'm just sayin, yo.

[NewSith]

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EDIT: Sidenote: Morto, why are you starting useless threads again?

[DayOne]

I'm holding onto my SOE account and see if I can just play on US servers anyway.

[VanuMAXGuy]

I'm more excited because filtering out a large portion of 100+ pings will make the game better for me.

[Vancha]

I'm more excited because filtering out a large portion of 100+ pings will make the game better for me.

...New account, first post, throwaway name...Marth, is that you?

[ThGlump]

Yeah, comparing this to slavery is racist as hell. Maybe you are european and don't understand the complexity of American race relations, but just back away from that metaphor and use a different one.

You are too sensitive about it. Like there was no slavery in europe till you invented it. :rolleyes:

Im just saying i have free will, i have choice, to not accept new management (pro7), so i quiting, if there wont be any other way to stay under old management (soe). I just used analogy. If you have better for someone being sold/forced to be under someone else feel free to share. I could use some other analogy but that would piss of germans too much :)
Anyway point of this was not that we are slaves but that we arent and we could go freely (beside someone on forum calling you whiner, quiter, etc).

Satisfied now?

[Insanekanifer]

I agree, I'm happy with this change, less 100+ ping people and pretty much garenteed everyone speaks english. I'm sorry for the people losing outfit mates, but thats the way of the world. Find new friends to play with.

[Aurmanite]

I agree, I'm happy with this change, less 100+ ping people and pretty much garenteed everyone speaks english. I'm sorry for the people losing outfit mates, but thats the way of the world. Find new friends to play with.

Guaranteed to speak English?

Looks like you won't be playing on your region's servers.

[DayOne]

...New account, first post, throwaway name...Marth, is that you?

I thought it was Martha?

[Raymac]

You are too sensitive about it. Like there was no slavery in europe till you invented it. :rolleyes:

Im just saying i have free will, i have choice, to not accept new management (pro7), so i quiting, if there wont be any other way to stay under old management (soe). I just used analogy. If you have better for someone being sold/forced to be under someone else feel free to share. I could use some other analogy but that would piss of germans too much :)
Anyway point of this was not that we are slaves but that we arent and we could go freely (beside someone on forum calling you whiner, quiter, etc).

Satisfied now?

Damn right I'm sensative about racist BS. I'm not even going to engage in how terrible and bigotted a metaphor that is. Just find a different way to make your point without being racist.

[SuperMorto]

One thing I am noticing in this thread is this, some of the good people behind the game are leaving, the folks who have put many hours into it, as they know how much they have been kicked in the balls. And some of the folks who don't have a fucking clue are arguing against their choices, at lest the ones who have cancelled know when they have been butt fucked, and have the balls to say fuck you back!.

The vets are the ones who have kept the going for as long as it has, they are the one who made the outfits and made sure people go in game and knew what they where doing and kept the fights big. And if you think its the lone wolves then you don't know Planetside. And look at what SOE has done to the remaining outfits?...... TAKE A GOOD FUCKING LOOK!!!

Now if you think I'm sulking then think again, I am not. I am now just caught between a rock and a hard place. Do I trust this Pro7 shit with my account details and money?, will they keep the game in good condition, will it be updated correctly? well looking at the info on the fucking internet, it seems this is a money making giant, that will destroy PS2 quicker than I can draw my lasher! Its will be all money money money!

So do I fuck about trying to screw over Pro7 and try to join the US servers, and join up with the now HATED BY ME SOE?? As they are the ones that have sold us to the devil. ]

Now,

People open your eyes, this game was and never has been made because SOE cares about you. It has been made to make money.

Planetside 2 will end up on the fail shelf next to Planetside 1, when they fuck you over with that 2, i just hope you are all ready for the big fuck you when it does come. SOE has proved time and time again, they cant make a choice that goes beyond making money.

And if you think I'm not still interested in Planetside 2 then think again, I will play it and I will still do by best to promote it, but what do I do now, I'm either helping "SOE" or "Pro7" and not directly helping the community.

[BigBossMonkey]

You are too sensitive about it. Like there was no slavery in europe till you invented it. :rolleyes:

Im just saying i have free will, i have choice, to not accept new management (pro7), so i quiting, if there wont be any other way to stay under old management (soe). I just used analogy. If you have better for someone being sold/forced to be under someone else feel free to share. I could use some other analogy but that would piss of germans too much :)
Anyway point of this was not that we are slaves but that we arent and we could go freely (beside someone on forum calling you whiner, quiter, etc).

Satisfied now?

You don't need an analogy. It's easy enough to understand as it is. All you do by comparing it to slavery is just make yourself seem like a Jackass to a lot of Americans on here.

Hmmm... Maybe thats why we should have separate regions... Too many cultural differences!

[Aurmanite]

One thing I am noticing in this thread is this, some of the good people behind the game are leaving, the folks who have put many hours into it, as they know how much they have been kicked in the balls. And some of the folks who don't have a fucking clue are arguing against their choices, at lest the ones who have cancelled know when they have been butt fucked, and have the balls to say fuck you back!.

The vets are the ones who have kept the going for as long as it has, they are the one who made the outfits and made sure people go in game and knew what they where doing and kept the fights big. And if you think its the lone wolves then you don't know Planetside. And look at what SOE has done to the remaining outfits?...... TAKE A GOOD FUCKING LOOK!!!

Now if you think I'm sulking then think again, I am not. I am now just caught between a rock and a hard place. Do I trust this Pro7 shit with my account details and money?, will they keep the game in good condition, will it be updated correctly? well looking at the info on the fucking internet, it seems this is a money making giant, that will destroy PS2 quicker than I can draw my lasher! Its will be all money money money!

So do I fuck about trying to screw over Pro7 and try to join the US servers, and join up with the now HATED BY ME SOE?? As they are the ones that have sold us to the devil. ]

Now,

People open your eyes, this game was and never has been made because SOE cares about you. It has been made to make money.

Planetside 2 will end up on the fail shelf next to Planetside 1, when they fuck you over with that 2, i just hope you are all ready for the big fuck you when it does come. SOE has proved time and time again, they cant make a choice that goes beyond making money.

And if you think I'm not still interested in Planetside 2 then think again, I will play it and I will still do by best to promote it, but what do I do now, I'm either helping "SOE" or "Pro7" and not directly helping the community.

You call yourself a hardcore fan?

This is the absolute definition of fair-weather.

You trust SOE with your money? Have you been around in the past year?

[Duddy]

I'm more excited because filtering out a large portion of 100+ pings will make the game better for me.

I think you overestimate the effects of 100ms in a server-side situation, it would be quite insignificant. You can't really compare it to PS where it being client-side, and using client side extrapolation, made a huge difference.

Heck 100ms in PS was, statistically speaking, insignificant.

High pings (200+) and high packet loss probably accounted for the outliers with regards to "warpers" and such.

I suppose we'd need to see how the game handles such.

[DayOne]

Thing is that no one would have a problem with this if they weren't region locking the servers. Would it really be so difficult to change this SOE?

[ThGlump]

Damn right I'm sensative about racist BS. I'm not even going to engage in how terrible and bigotted a metaphor that is. Just find a different way to make your point without being racist.

You ave oversensitive and seeing racism about everything. For you slave = some other race. Europe werent that picky, we had slaves from neighbor village, even relatives.

But scratch it. It isnt topic of this thread. Just forget i even used that.

[Raymac]

People open your eyes, this game was and never has been made because SOE cares about you. It has been made to make money.

What's the name of that game that cost millions of dollars to make, but given away out of the goodness of the developers hearts because they didn't want to make a dime off of it? Was it Hippie Commune Tycoon? Every game is made for profit, Morto.

[Duddy]

Thing is that no one would have a problem with this if they weren't region locking the servers. Would it really be so difficult to change this SOE?

Well there is still the question about how "Pro7" handles their customers, but an amicable solution to the region issue would go a large way clawing back some of the good-will that appears to have been abandoned.

[Atheosim]

At this point I don't even care. The people who are quitting this game are just like the people who let PS1 die in the first place.

[BigBossMonkey]

What's the name of that game that cost millions of dollars to make, but given away out of the goodness of the developers hearts because they didn't want to make a dime off of it? Was it Hippie Commune Tycoon? Every game is made for profit, Morto.

And don't forget, this is a sequel to an MMO that failed within a short while of its launch. They wouldn't be making a sequel to it unless they thought they would make a profit.

And by the looks of things, this game doesn't look like it was cheap to make.

[Zulthus]

One thing I am noticing in this thread is this, some of the good people behind the game are leaving, the folks who have put many hours into it, as they know how much they have been kicked in the balls. And some of the folks who don't have a fucking clue are arguing against their choices, at lest the ones who have cancelled know when they have been butt fucked, and have the balls to say fuck you back!.

The vets are the ones who have kept the going for as long as it has, they are the one who made the outfits and made sure people go in game and knew what they where doing and kept the fights big. And if you think its the lone wolves then you don't know Planetside. And look at what SOE has done to the remaining outfits?...... TAKE A GOOD FUCKING LOOK!!!

Now if you think I'm sulking then think again, I am not. I am now just caught between a rock and a hard place. Do I trust this Pro7 shit with my account details and money?, will they keep the game in good condition, will it be updated correctly? well looking at the info on the fucking internet, it seems this is a money making giant, that will destroy PS2 quicker than I can draw my lasher! Its will be all money money money!

So do I fuck about trying to screw over Pro7 and try to join the US servers, and join up with the now HATED BY ME SOE?? As they are the ones that have sold us to the devil. ]

Now,

People open your eyes, this game was and never has been made because SOE cares about you. It has been made to make money.

Planetside 2 will end up on the fail shelf next to Planetside 1, when they fuck you over with that 2, i just hope you are all ready for the big fuck you when it does come. SOE has proved time and time again, they cant make a choice that goes beyond making money.

And if you think I'm not still interested in Planetside 2 then think again, I will play it and I will still do by best to promote it, but what do I do now, I'm either helping "SOE" or "Pro7" and not directly helping the community.

OMFG. There's no point in even trying to reason with you guys anymore. You all think it's the end of the world, when in reality, this is like a fly on the windshield. PS2 will be fine with or without you regardless of what you think.

What's really funny is that you all were PERFECTLY fine with The9 managing PS2 in China, however as soon as it affects you personally you cry foul.

[SuperMorto]

Damn right I'm sensative about racist BS. I'm not even going to engage in how terrible and bigotted a metaphor that is. Just find a different way to make your point without being racist.

Not being funny Raymac, but the white man was a slave long before the black man.

Also to be racist you must first make a comment regarding a persons colour or race. Mentioning slavery is not being racist one bit.

And this is like slavery, we have been sold to the highest bidder for money. you find me one good explanation on the internet to tell me otherwise?

[Atheosim]

OMFG. There's no point in even trying to reason with you guys anymore. You all think it's the end of the world, when in reality, this is like a fly on the windshield. PS2 will be fine with or without you regardless of what you think.

What's really funny is that you all were PERFECTLY fine with The9 managing PS2 in China, however as soon as it affects you personally you cry foul.

+1

[SuperMorto]

OMFG. There's no point in even trying to reason with you guys anymore. You all think it's the end of the world, when in reality, this is like a fly on the windshield. PS2 will be fine with or without you regardless of what you think.

What's really funny is that you all were PERFECTLY fine with The9 managing PS2 in China, however as soon as it affects you personally you cry foul.

I don't speak Chinese and I'm not in a Chinese outfit?.... FFS.

[DayOne]

OMFG. There's no point in even trying to reason with you guys anymore. You all think it's the end of the world, when in reality, this is like a fly on the windshield. PS2 will be fine with or without you regardless of what you think.

What's really funny is that you all were PERFECTLY fine with The9 managing PS2 in China, however as soon as it affects you personally you cry foul.

Are The9 looking to region lock Asian servers?

[Zulthus]

I don't speak Chinese and I'm not in a Chinese outfit?.... FFS.

How the fuck does it matter? It's the same damned logic. What if Europe was managed by The9 instead of China? There are some really cool Asian people I've played with before. How is it any different?

Are The9 looking to region lock Asian servers?

Yes, that's the whole point of The9 taking over in Asia. It's the same as ProSiebenSat in Europe.

[Lonehunter]

I think y'all need to quit crying. Morto, please at least state the actual topic of your thread next time.

Now before everyone rages at me, there's a big difference between voicing a negative opinion and being a crybaby. But I am seeing a lot more crybabies lately

It's as if some people think bragging about your decision to quit the game before beta is going to change SOE's mind. Why would they respect the opinion of someone so ignorant? To me the people willing to "quit" a game before testing it are in the same category as those who exploit the game when it's released. Good riddance, I only want to play with people willing to give it a shot. Not dismiss it when they hear something they don't like.

This thread needs a bucket of Firefly poured on it, where is our noob-crushing hero?

[duomaxwl]

It sucks that I could lose some European squad mates, but it's not worth not playing a game I've been a part of since 2003 over. I won't cancel my sub. I do hope they fix this up somehow though.

[Aurmanite]

Not being funny Raymac, but the white man was a slave long before the black man.

Also to be racist you must first make a comment regarding a persons colour or race. Mentioning slavery is not being racist one bit.

And this is like slavery, we have been sold to the highest bidder for money. you find me one good explanation on the internet to tell me otherwise?

Get out of here with this bullshit already.

You're right, this is exactly like slavery. Except for the part where we are physical property and have no direct control over our entire lives. So it's absolutely nothing like slavery, you fucking dipshit.

You are the worst part of this community. It was precious when you discovered that the goal of a company is to make money. I watched your heart shatter when you came to the realization that Sony wasn't spending millions of dollars because they 'cared' about you.

When you 'did everything you did' for Planetside 2, you did so on your own accord. No one asked you to. It was a decision you made and you are owed diddly-fucking-squat for doing it. People appreciated your effort which was more than you should have expected if you were really as passionate and committed as you claimed to be.

You just showed your true colours, and they are fucking ugly.

EDIT:
Also, if you had any fucking clue about the history of this world you would know that the white man was not a slave before anyone else. White skin evolved thousands of years after black skin. 10's of thousands.

[Raymac]

Not being funny Raymac, but the white man was a slave long before the black man.

Also to be racist you must first make a comment regarding a persons colour or race. Mentioning slavery is not being racist one bit.

And this is like slavery, we have been sold to the highest bidder for money. you find me one good explanation on the internet to tell me otherwise?

This is another reason why regional locked servers might not be a bad idea. Cultural tip: In the US, making references to slavery in relation to trivial issues is considered pretty damn racist. This is way off-topic and I'd rather the whole slavery talk just die.

[Vancha]

I think y'all need to quit crying. Morto, please at least state the actual topic of your thread next time.

Now before everyone rages at me, there's a big difference between voicing a negative opinion and being a crybaby. But I am seeing a lot more crybabies lately

It's as if some people think bragging about your decision to quit the game before beta is going to change SOE's mind. Why would they respect the opinion of someone so ignorant? To me the people willing to "quit" a game before testing it are in the same category as those who exploit the game when it's released. Good riddance, I only want to play with people willing to give it a shot. Not dismiss it when they hear something they don't like.

This thread needs a bucket of Firefly poured on it, where is our noob-crushing hero?
How can you still think it's the game that people are dismissing?

[Duddy]

What's really funny is that you all were PERFECTLY fine with The9 managing PS2 in China, however as soon as it affects you personally you cry foul.

It's all great saying that post-fact, but I doubt anyone truly understood that it would be impossible to play outside of your region when the The9 agreement was revealed.

As has been stated before the Chinese played regionally previously. Some might have played with us prior to the closure of their server but it doesn't quite seem the case.

So as far as we can assume, they were ok with that arrangement, which is also probably why no-one complained. Certainly don't know of any cases where they have done so, nor do I have the means to find out. If it were the case, I'd be angry for them too.

However bringing it up as a "gotcha" is incredibly fallacious, and honestly, I expected better. For all your talk of trying to argue with unreasonable people, you then resort to fallacy yourself.

[SgtMAD]

doesn't it say in the FAQ that you are supposed to delete your SOE account and create a Pro7(?) account,or something like that?

I think the first thing I wouldn't do is delete my SOE account before you really know whether or not you can still log in on it after the actual merger is completed,that would be one possible way for this to be resolved,just grandfather in the old accounts and don't let any new eurotrash (LOL) register in the shining beacon of FREEDOM that is the USA(LOL)

and SuperMorto,I want my $50, I wouldn't make a big deal about it but you had to try and fuck with me using that sig,see where that got ya.

[Zulthus]

It's all great saying that post-fact, but I doubt anyone truly understood that it would be impossible to play outside of your region when the The9 agreement was revealed.

As has been stated before the Chinese played regionally previously. Some might have played with us prior to the closure of their server but it doesn't quite seem the case.

So as far as we can assume, they were ok with that arrangement, which is also probably why no-one complained. Certainly don't know of any cases where they have done so, nor do I have the means to find out. If it were the case, I'd be angry for them too.

However bringing it up as a "gotcha" is incredibly fallacious, and honestly, I expected better. For all your talk of trying to argue with unreasonable people, you then resort to fallacy yourself.

It's not a "gotcha". I had no intention of even making it seem that way. It's a fact. It's fine that the Chinese are locked to their own region, but as soon as it affects the mainstream players SOE automatically is the worst fucking company ever, everyone wants to cancel their sub, they were wrong about them for the last time, etc etc etc. It's old.

[ThGlump]

I think y'all need to quit crying. Morto, please at least state the actual topic of your thread next time.

Now before everyone rages at me, there's a big difference between voicing a negative opinion and being a crybaby. But I am seeing a lot more crybabies lately

It's as if some people think bragging about your decision to quit the game before beta is going to change SOE's mind. Why would they respect the opinion of someone so ignorant? To me the people willing to "quit" a game before testing it are in the same category as those who exploit the game when it's released. Good riddance, I only want to play with people willing to give it a shot. Not dismiss it when they hear something they don't like.

This thread needs a bucket of Firefly poured on it, where is our noob-crushing hero?

Oh i want to play that game. You cant realize how much i want to play it. This isnt about game (so before or after beta doesnt make difference). Its about service that come with it. And that service wont allow me to play. So im crying. Im big crybaby.

[Metalsheep]

After reading through this thread, i'm kind of shocked to see how loose some peoples definitions of friendship are.

We are a community. Many outfits arent just Planetside players, they've gone beyond the game and play other games togather. My outfit barely actually plays planetside, and once they left so did i.

Placing a brand or company loyalty before your friends is ass-backwards. If SoE does something you don't like, then don't pay them anymore. Money Talks. Some see cancleing your sub as running, SoE sees it as losing profit and will notice more than just whineing and "Hoping for the best."

Personally my outfit doesn't have any EU players, and I havent made any EU friends, but if i had you can bet i'd be leaving this game in the dust. We have other games we can go play togather, as friends. Why should i play a game where i can't play with the people and community i WANT to play with? I shouldn't HAVE to "make new friends" when i can go play any other game with them.

Planetside brought people togather in a way no other game could. There is a brotherhood and comeradery that only really exists in Planetside, no other game has a community quite like ours. Why did anyone stick with Planetside for so long? Not for the game alone, thats for sure. For the people. Our community. I don't think a soul would still be in PS1 if we werent brought togather as we are.

That being said, I will still be playing Planetside 2, but i think the people that are canceling or not playing Planetside 2 are doing it for a very good reason and i support them.

[Dart]

It's not a "gotcha". I had no intention of even making it seem that way. It's a fact. It's fine that the Chinese are locked to their own region, but as soon as it affects the mainstream players SOE automatically is the worst fucking company ever, everyone wants to cancel their sub, they were wrong about them for the last time, etc etc etc. It's old.

I don't get what your point/desire is here...

Should we have started a protest movement on behalf of the Chinese? Or should we be bending over and taking this like public schoolboys? Your posts contain plenty of words but little constructive thought.

[Zulthus]

I don't get what your point/desire is here...

Should we have started a protest movement on behalf of the Chinese? Or should we be bending over and taking this like public schoolboys? Your post contains plenty of words but little constructive thought.

No. It's just the logic being used here. No one cared when SOE announced that The9 was taking over Asia, which is region-locking, but now that America and Europe are involved, everyone is crying. We should have all smashed SOE from the beginning since this is the same thing over again. I personally don't really care too much about the region lock, but I'd prefer open servers to everyone if I had the choice.

[Vancha]

You just showed your true colours, and they are fucking ugly.
Does this qualify as irony or hypocrisy? I'm never sure.

No. It's just the logic being used here. No one cared when SOE announced that The9 was taking over Asia, which is region-locking, but now that America and Europe are involved, everyone is crying. We should have all smashed SOE from the beginning since this is the same thing over again. I personally don't really care too much about the region lock, but I'd prefer open servers to everyone if I had the choice.
Are they region-locked? I don't remember it being said that part of The9 being china's publisher was the inability of Chinese players to play on US servers.

[SuperMorto]

This is another reason why regional locked servers might not be a bad idea. Cultural tip: In the US, making references to slavery in relation to trivial issues is considered pretty damn racist. This is way off-topic and I'd rather the whole slavery talk just die.

Raymac, we are on the fucking internet! We are not in America! When I am on your soil and I speak these words then you can blast the shit out of me, until then please use the internet's rules:

[Aurmanite]

Does this qualify as irony or hypocrisy? I'm never sure.

You should look up the definitions of those words before you try to use them, chum.

[Elude]

I make and break friends faster than I can buy games. I play games for me, not for others. Yes it sucks that the community is now going to be split but that is far from ruining the experience that PS2 will hopefully give.

If PS2 fails it won't be because of this.

[Raymac]

Raymac, we are on the fucking internet! We are not in America! When I am on your soil and I speak these words then you can blast the shit out of me, until then please use the internet's rules:

Morto, when you speak to someone, no matter where you are, you should be mindful of their culture. And people think Americans are obnoxious bigots?

[Insanekanifer]

I make and break friends faster than I can buy games. I play games for me, not for others. Yes it sucks that the community is now going to be split but that is far from ruining the experience that PS2 will hopefully give.

If PS2 fails it won't be because of this.

Exactly, people on here are acting like kids who got moved to a new school and can't hang out with their old friends so now the world is coming to an end, but wait, couple weeks in and they have new friends at the new school. Whatever lol.

[Zulthus]

I make and break friends faster than I can buy games. I play games for me, not for others. Yes it sucks that the community is now going to be split but that is far from ruining the experience that PS2 will hopefully give.

If PS2 fails it won't be because of this.

Q for fucking T.

I really enjoy playing with my outfit members but I wouldn't cancel my account and not play just because we can't play together.

[Dart]

I think y'all need to quit crying. Morto, please at least state the actual topic of your thread next time.

Now before everyone rages at me, there's a big difference between voicing a negative opinion and being a crybaby. But I am seeing a lot more crybabies lately

It's as if some people think bragging about your decision to quit the game before beta is going to change SOE's mind. Why would they respect the opinion of someone so ignorant? To me the people willing to "quit" a game before testing it are in the same category as those who exploit the game when it's released. Good riddance, I only want to play with people willing to give it a shot. Not dismiss it when they hear something they don't like.

This thread needs a bucket of Firefly poured on it, where is our noob-crushing hero?

As someone who has canceled my Ps1 sub today I'll assume I'm in your "cry babies" bracket (and also that you haven't managed to read/understand any of my posts in this thread). I have canceled my sub, not because of any issue with gameplay - as you say the game isn't even in beta - but because I want to voice my frustration with the idea that I won't be able to play with the clan I've led for the last 5 years in PS. The opportunity to leave comments at the end of the exit questionnaire really is a valuable way to express your discontent and big corporations do take them seriously (first hand experience talking).

Nowhere have I said I won't be in PS2, not would any sensible individual before we know how this will all shake out. But I have said that there is no way I will play PS2 unless my entire clan can play together. That was the sentiment I passed onto SOE and that is the one I stand by here. I still feel this is am issue the entire community should be up in arms over and I'm a little disappointed (but not particularly surprised) by the lack of support from certain quarters.

[Dart]

Q for fucking T.

I really enjoy playing with my outfit members but I wouldn't cancel my account and not play just because we can't play together.

And I wouldn't pick "Zulthus" as an online handle but I respect your right to do so and would defend it. Or are you under the impression your opinion is the only valid one?

[Raymac]

I still feel this is am issue the entire community should be up in arms over and I'm a little disappointed (but not particularly surprised) by the lack of support from certain quarters.

There's a difference between supporting you, and jumping off the bridge with you. I have and will support people not being locked by region, but there are limits.

[Vancha]

I'm amazed people still don't understand the reason we're withdrawing our support for SOE.

Yes, we're unhappy we can't play with the communities we've built up over the years, but that's not the reason we're doing it.

You should look up the definitions of those words before you try to use them, chum.
Oh, it says you're a hypocrite. Thank you.

[SuperMorto]

Get out of here with this bullshit already.

You're right, this is exactly like slavery. Except for the part where we are physical property and have no direct control over our entire lives. So it's absolutely nothing like slavery, you fucking dipshit.

You are the worst part of this community. It was precious when you discovered that the goal of a company is to make money. I watched your heart shatter when you came to the realization that Sony wasn't spending millions of dollars because they 'cared' about you.

When you 'did everything you did' for Planetside 2, you did so on your own accord. No one asked you to. It was a decision you made and you are owed diddly-fucking-squat for doing it. People appreciated your effort which was more than you should have expected if you were really as passionate and committed as you claimed to be.

You just showed your true colours, and they are fucking ugly.

EDIT:
Also, if you had any fucking clue about the history of this world you would know that the white man was not a slave before anyone else. White skin evolved thousands of years after black skin. 10's of thousands.

What if everything I do, I do to play Planetside2?, then it does effect my entire life. You fool.

I'm the worst part of this community? and you are the community yea? because I don't know your fucking name? So your views mean shit to me.

All the thing I have done on this website and on my own I have enjoyed, and that's all that I know about them.

You have no idea about my true colours. Clearly in this thread you have shown me you have no idea who I am and how I think.

Edit:
And history, if your right then WHAT IS THE FUCKING PROBLEM ABOUT SLAVERY THEN?

Ok that's me done flaming for tonight see you all tomorrow for another round.

[Dart]

There's a difference between supporting you, and not jumping off the bridge with you. I have and will support people not being locked by region, but there are limits.

I'm not asking anyone to unsub. No one at all. It would be stupid... Your exit questionnaire wouldn't be nearly as eloquent or persuasive as mine! ;)

I'm merely explaining my decision to do so to some people who apparently have no ideahow deep the bonds in some gaming clans actually go. Not to digress too far, but in DT we've actually had guys paying other members subs when they were short on $. Again, I'm not saying you have to do the same, just trying to help you understand the position.

[Zulthus]

And I wouldn't pick "Zulthus" as an online handle but I respect your right to do so and would defend it. Or are you under the impression your opinion is the only valid one?

I have not said that anywhere. I respect everyone else's opinion on this, I do.

http://listentoleon.net/wp/wp-content/uploads/2012/01/what-grinds-my-gears.jpg

Is when people make such a huge fucking deal about it and attack a company trying to make money. I mean, if you really care so much that you'll never play PS2 because of this one thing, then you can play some Call of Duty with your friends or whatever. I don't WANT region locks, but I'm not complaining out of my ass about them being there anyway.

[SuperMorto]

PS I strongly recommend this thread be locked.

The flaming in here is crazy (yes I play a big part in that) but this is still a fans community and we should respect that, even if we don't respect SOE in the same way we did few days ago.

(lock it)

[Insanekanifer]

What if everything I do, I do to play Planetside2?, then it does effect my entire life. You fool.

I'm the worst part of this community? and you are the community yea? because I don't know your fucking name? So your views mean shit to me.

All the thing I have done on this website and on my own I have enjoyed, and that's all that I know about them.

You have no idea about my true colours. Clearly in this thread you have shown me you have no idea who I am and how I think.

Edit:
And history, if your right then WHAT IS THE FUCKING PROBLEM ABOUT SLAVERY THEN?

Ok that's me done flaming for tonight see you all tomorrow for another round.

It sounds to me like its time for you to step away from the computer and take a good look at your life... if planetside is your whole life to the point that this change effects you so greatly, maybe its time to seek help from a qualified therapist?

[Metalsheep]

I'm not asking anyone to unsub. No one at all. It would be stupid... Your exit questionnaire wouldn't be nearly as eloquent or persuasive as mine! ;)

I'm merely explaining my decision to do so to some people who apparently have no ideahow deep the bonds in some gaming clans actually go. Not to digress too far, but in DT we've actually had guys paying other members subs when they were short on $. Again, I'm not saying you have to do the same, just trying to help you understand the position.

I've had outfit members. (In The Cohort) Actually send me Computer Parts when my compy died. The outfit leader sent me a 8800 GTS when my video died years ago. That wasn't a cheap card. I don't see how people can look at that and go "Just find a new clan. Or new Friends." The community bond is very important to MMOs.

[NewSith]

PS I strongly recommend this thread be locked.

The flaming in here is crazy (yes I play a big part in that) but this is still a fans community and we should respect that, even if we don't respect SOE in the same way we did few days ago.

(lock it)

Says the guy who started it...

I really think that the thread must be eliminated. Locking it is not enough.

BTW you can delete your own threads here if i recall correctly...

[Knocky]

Sure I am upset.

But not enough to keep from playing the next PS.

There will be work arounds for the Europeans is SOE continues it's asinine approach to carving up the world.

If not, I will bid my friends from across the ocean ado as they start a sister Outfit in Europe and we continue ours in the USA.

[SuperMorto]

Says the guy who started it...

I really think that the thread must be eliminated. Locking it is not enough.

BTW you can delete your own threads here if i recall correctly...

I had a long day at work, it seems many folks in this thread gave me a good excuse to vent my frustrations. Give a man with a gun some ammo, he will shoot shit.

But as always I will and do apologise for my over reactions. 54 days without a cigarette. Fuck yea!


Now lock it if you would be so kind. (it was missing poll options anyway)

[ShadoViper]

I've had outfit members. (In The Cohort) Actually send me Computer Parts when my compy died. The outfit leader sent me a 8800 GTS when my video died years ago. That wasn't a cheap card. I don't see how people can look at that and go "Just find a new clan. Or new Friends." The community bond is very important to MMOs.

I agree with this. If the full brohort weren't all on the same server... Well planetside 2 would be much more boring.

Dont forget everyone, it's not just planetside 2 that's being effected by this. From what I've gathered this is happening in EQ2 as well.

We are not alone in this upsetting decision. So keep your voices loud but also keep things as civil as possible. We have a point in being upset and that goes away when everyone starts attacking each other over everything.

[Aurmanite]

What if everything I do, I do to play Planetside2?, then it does effect my entire life. You fool.

I'm the worst part of this community? and you are the community yea? because I don't know your fucking name? So your views mean shit to me.

All the thing I have done on this website and on my own I have enjoyed, and that's all that I know about them.

You have no idea about my true colours. Clearly in this thread you have shown me you have no idea who I am and how I think.

Edit:
And history, if your right then WHAT IS THE FUCKING PROBLEM ABOUT SLAVERY THEN?

Ok that's me done flaming for tonight see you all tomorrow for another round.

I can see how you think. It's in this thread for everyone to see.

You aren't getting the slavery part because you are fucking stupid.

Sorry I don't have enough e-cred for you. I'm a bigger, and better fan of Planetside than you.

[SuperMorto]

I can see how you think. It's in this thread for everyone to see.

You aren't getting the slavery part because you are fucking stupid.

Sorry I don't have enough e-cred for you. I'm a bigger, and better fan of Planetside than you.

Then why keep replying to my threads? Go away FFS. Dont give me the time of day, move on, I wont miss you anyway.

[Aurmanite]

Then why keep replying to my threads? Go away FFS. Dont give me the time of day, move on, I wont miss you anyway.

I'm still planning on playing the game. If you were truly committed to your ragequit you wouldn't be posting here anymore.

[Atheosim]

I'm still planning on playing the game. If you were truly committed to your ragequit you wouldn't be posting here anymore.

qft.

also: this thread wins the annual PSU most hilarious thread award.

[SuperMorto]

I'm still planning on playing the game. If you were truly committed to your ragequit you wouldn't be posting here anymore.

Ermmmmmmm please stop. I cancelled my Planetside1 subscription. I still have a forum, a TV url, 4 YouTube channels and 4 TwitchTv channel. Does it look like ive ragequit? I cancelled my PS1 subscription in retaliation to SOE's disgusting treatment of the euro and US gamers that have followed them for many years.

You seem to be missing my point witch I have clearly made in more than this one thread, so now who is showing their true colours?

I still love PS1, I am still looking forward to PS2, I am still going to go ahead with all my plans for the Planetside community.

I'm just showing my support for the folks who have been fucked over by the suits at SOE.

Shame you and the others in this thread don't have the balls to do the same!

EDIT: And yet again you prove you know nothing about me.

[Raymac]

Ermmmmmmm please stop. I cancelled my Planetside1 subscription. I still have a forum, a TV url, 4 YouTube channels and 4 TwitchTv channel. Does it look like ive ragequit? I cancelled my PS1 subscription in retaliation to SOE's disgusting treatment of the euro and US gamers that have followed them for many years.

You seem to be missing my point witch I have clearly made in more than this one thread, so now who is showing their true colours?

I still love PS1, I am still looking forward to PS2, I am still going to go ahead with all my plans for the Planetside community.

I'm just showing my support for the folks who have been fucked over by the suits at SOE.

Shame you and the others in this thread don't have the balls to do the same!

EDIT: And yet again you prove you know nothing about me.

Oh OK, so all that talk about all your big plans for PS2 going out the window was just bullshit then? Credibility -1.

And it's not about having balls to unsub. It's about having brains to look before you leap.

[Aurmanite]

This is not a good show of support. This is crybaby whining at its worst.

Read your own posts.

Also...youdunknome!

[Lonehunter]

How can you still think it's the game that people are dismissing?
How can you not? "cancelling your SOE subscription" to me sounds like not playing any games made by SOE.

You would be amazed how many Brits played on Emerald since the start of PlanetSide. Very well-known, high profile CR5s.
I think his point was most of the Euros playing Planetside, where on Euro servers. Yes there where very popular ones in the states but the fact remains the Euro servers where the more popular choice in that area.

As someone who has canceled my Ps1 sub today I'll assume I'm in your "cry babies" bracket (and also that you haven't managed to read/understand any of my posts in this thread).
Thanks for assuming a lack of intellect ass...I'll try not to return the favor. Once again, there is a difference between being a crybaby and voicing a negative opinion.


Nowhere have I said I won't be in PS2...there is no way I will play PS2 unless my entire clan can play together
A little contradiction, but to me that seems like you won't be in PS2 unless your whole clan can be on the same server. So you are in fact rejecting (based on your clan currently being forced apart) the game before it's even out.

It sounds like a sappy movie line, but don't you think your outfit mates would want you you still have fun in PS2 with some other folks? Would you prefer they didn't play because you won't?

If you fully intend on playing PS2 no matter what then I must have interpreted you wrong

[Dart]

How can you not? "cancelling your SOE subscription" to me sounds like not playing any games made by SOE.


I think his point was most of the Euros playing Planetside, where on Euro servers. Yes there where very popular ones in the states but the fact remains the Euro servers where the more popular choice in that area.


Thanks for assuming a lack of intellect ass...I'll try not to return the favor. Once again, there is a difference between being a crybaby and voicing a negative opinion.



A little contradiction, but to me that seems like you won't be in PS2 unless your whole clan can be on the same server. So you are in fact rejecting (based on your clan currently being forced apart) the game before it's even out.

It sounds like a sappy movie line, but don't you think your outfit mates would want you you still have fun in PS2 with some other folks? Would you prefer they didn't play because you won't?

If you fully intend on playing PS2 no matter what then I must have interpreted you wrong

I thought my intention was perfectly clear but I'll enunciate the subtext for you. I expect to be playing PS2 because, with the help of my clan, I intend to break whatever region lock Pro7 is able to devise to prevent me from playing on a US server. That is a proactive response and in no way contradicts anything I have said.

[Zhane]

I think it's a stupid move, but I honestly don't see why people are freaking out. Silliness.

[Atheosim]

Please stop bumping this thread

[ShazMyBot]

I think it's a stupid move, but I honestly don't see why people are freaking out. Silliness.

Agreed. Best form of protest (if any) is to just play with a North American account. Don't even bother to give their servers your traffic if you're unsatisfied.