The Fission

[DayOne]

OH WOW!
https://fbcdn-sphotos-a.akamaihd.net/hphotos-ak-ash4/s720x720/395181_342064835838134_209775182400434_1038011_904 380489_n.jpg
"The V.S.’s standard anti-vehicle weapon uses the same battery-powered ammunition system as the Pulsar and Beamer. Unlike the faster firing and unguided Lancer, the Fission features a slower plasma projectile guided by lock-on technology.

[Hmr85]

Thats pretty cool. Atleast the direct fire beam is gone.

[Sirisian]

A lock-on weapon. As a VS player I'm disgusted. Make it laser guided like the NC weapon.

[NewSith]

OMG, Vobla-gun!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vobla

[basti]

Wait, what? Two AV guns? The Fission AND the Lancer?
How cool is that? :D

[Duddy]

Interesting, does "unlike the lancer" imply it's inclusion or otherwise?

[Xaine]

Oh my...

So more than one AV weapon per faction? or Lancer now common pool? something else? my brain? help?

Question mark?

Incoming nickname for this thing - 'The Fish'

'Hang on guys, just grabbing my Fish'

'Brb, grabbing a fishy from the term'

'Get your Trouts out!'

'Slap em' with yo mackerel'

I'm done.

[Vancha]

The description makes it sound like the Lancer still exists, so are we to take it that each empire gets 2 ESAV weapons in PS2?

Edit: Damn, ninja'd...Twice.

[Johari]

I thinking its a replacement and not a second choice :\ I'll reserver judgement till I get to use it but I was REALLY looking forward to a directfire charge-shot like the Lancer was.

I hope, I REALLY HOPE, that the Lancer is still in.

[NewSith]

The description makes it sound like the Lancer still exists, so are we to take it that each empire gets 2 ESAV weapons in PS2?

Edit: Damn, ninja'd...Twice.

RPG, Igla *cough* SMAW, Stinger *cough*

[DayOne]

The description makes it sound like the Lancer still exists, so are we to take it that each empire gets 2 ESAV weapons in PS2?

Edit: Damn, ninja'd...Twice.

Perhaps the Lancer is common pool?

[Snowfake]

NERF!

[dsi]

OMG, Vobla-gun!

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vobla

Got its nickname on the 3rd reply. New record I think?

[Gandhi]

Can we rename it The Danger of Love?

[DayOne]

This is the first weapon I've seen where I am genuinely lost for words. It's just so beautiful!

[Rbstr]

It says "standard AV weapon" I'm betting there's a "Heavy AV weapon" or a "Light AV weapon" and that's the lancer.

Lancer is likely heavy, as this uses the same ammo as the Beamer and Pulsar.

[Cosmical]

Lancer will be for Spamming slow moving heavy armour targets like tanks. This Beast will be used probably on AIR craft, or as a last resort on tanks. Is my guess.

Thank god i can get rid of those pesky planes. Here's hoping that being a Plasma based weapon it has some burn over time. So i can watch a Mosquito afterburn out of view, only to die to my DOT. Invisible EXP. Its the way of the future.

[Ailos]

Can we rename it The Danger of Love?

I think the "Vobla" is a much catchier and much more appropriate nickname.

[basti]

Incoming nickname for this thing - 'The Fish'

'Slap em' with yo mackerel'



You, sir, gave me an wonderful idea for the game once we are in it. I can already see me globalling. :D

[CaptainMaverik]

damn it, why does EVERY Vanu object have to have an awesome factor of 4.7 compared to NC stuff?

make that 47.7

[Xaine]

You, sir, gave me an wonderful idea for the game once we are in it. I can already see me globalling. :D

I'm honoured to be your Muse.

[Johari]

make that 47.7

And just like last time, its the lazers.

[Sirisian]

This would be cooler actually now that I think about it if it was like the Halo Fuel Rod Gun (http://halo.wikia.com/wiki/Type-33_Light_Anti-Armor_Weapon). Basically a mortar launcher. Have it act like the Tribes ascend Juggernaut gun, but instead make it do very little at close range and have it explode on contact after a distance.

[UnknownDT]

the lancer is now a 'one shot one kill' weapon of all units and vehicles in the game. Watch out.

[SurgeonX]

A lock-on weapon. As a VS player I'm disgusted. Make it laser guided like the NC weapon.

The AA Max was lock-on though.

[Sirisian]

The AA Max was lock-on though.
And I made posts in the past about how I'd prefer all factions have flak and laser guided AA (with player controlled detonation) among other posts. I've never been a big fan of lock-on weapons. It's kind of a lazy weapon for a "skilled" FPS game.

Flak has a lot of variables. Speed, rate of fire, spread among other things that really varies its range and usefulness. I hope the developers keep that in mind.

[Oryon22]

Boss.

[Talek Krell]

Interesting. At the moment I'm thinking that this means there will be at least 2 AV weapons per empire. There's no reason for them to reference the Lancer if it isn't in the game, it would only confuse people not familiar with the original.

Given the lock on nature of it, I wonder if this is intended to be one of the infantry AA weapons that they promised.

Edit: Also, it looks awesome.

[SurgeonX]

I've never been a big fan of lock-on weapons. It's kind of a lazy weapon for a "skilled" FPS game.


Me neither, they're boring skill less weapons IMO.
That's why I love the Lancer so much.

[Cosmical]

Me neither, they're boring skill less weapons IMO.
That's why I love the Lancer so much.

I think battlefield has a nice system. However painful it can be at times. Recon classes should be able to paint targets, and lock on rockets fired by other players do their thing.

Im with you though, i still think the most effective counter measure to air vehicles should be flak emplacements. Preferably manned, but it always annoys me that theyre the first thing to go during a base assault. Hopefully Air turrets will stick around until the bases shields are dropped. I dont want o be running to man a turret only to see it blown up by 8 incoming reavers.

[VanuMAXGuy]

God damn now I have to see the Lancer.

[SurgeonX]

"The Lancer still works like it did it PlanetSide 1."

Phew!

[Johari]

"The Lancer still works like it did it PlanetSide 1."

Phew!

I feel the same.

[DaddyTickles]

That is some kind of beautiful. But I wonder how slow is slow for the energy orbs? Fast enough for a Reaver?

[Sirisian]

Interesting. Someone made a good point about it probably being an AA weapon. What if every faction gets an AV and then an AA gun. So the Fission is the AA gun and all factions have a lock-on AA gun to keep the balancing easy? Like the Stryker would be the TR AA.

[Knightwyvern]

That would make life hellish for pilots. BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP.. would get old.

I'm really excited though that there will be multiple options for rifles, rocket launchers, grenades, etc.

[NewSith]

Interesting. Someone made a good point about it probably being an AA weapon. What if every faction gets an AV and then an AA gun. So the Fission is the AA gun and all factions have a lock-on AA gun to keep the balancing easy? Like the Stryker would be the TR AA.

There goes:

RPG, Igla *cough* SMAW, Stinger *cough*

Woblagun correlates to Stinger as Lancer correlates to SMAW

That would make life hellish for pilots. BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP BEEP.. would get old.

Ever drove a tank through TR fields?

[Sirisian]

To be fair AA is probably only useful when a plane slows down to make a pass on a vehicle or infantry. At the recorded speeds we've seen it might be possible that AA, or at least infantry AA, isn't as good in range or speed.

[DaddyTickles]

To be fair AA is probably only useful when a plane slows down to make a pass on a vehicle or infantry. At the recorded speeds we've seen it might be possible that AA, or at least infantry AA, isn't as good in range or speed.

Yeah a slightly more effective version of the rocklet flak, probably upgradeable to a pretty decent area denial AA, but still inferior to the new lightning AA weapon.

[Knightwyvern]

Ever drove a tank through TR fields?

True, but the difference being a tank is, well, a TANK. It should be able to take quite a few hits from infantry based weapons. Aircraft however is much more fragile, maybe with the exception of a beefy galaxy. Maybe there will be an option for a missile interception system for aircraft? something a little more potent than chaff.

[DaddyTickles]

True, but the difference being a tank is, well, a TANK. It should be able to take quite a few hits from infantry based weapons. Aircraft however is much more fragile, maybe with the exception of a beefy galaxy. Maybe there will be an option for a missile interception system for aircraft? something a little more potent than chaff.

I'd probably be ok with that as long as the counter measure was ineffective against flak and direct fire.

[Knightwyvern]

I'd probably be ok with that as long as the counter measure was ineffective against flak and direct fire.

Yep, my counter to direct fire and flak would probably be a sidegrade of armor at the expense of speed, if I know an area will be hot.

[Mirror]

I asked TRay when we would maybe see the Lancer and got the following back

Tramell Ray Isaac‏@PS_TRay
@MirrorDT didn't make the cut... Maybe post launch

;(

[CrystalViolet]

From the webcast. I assume this is the same gun even though it's labeled "rocket" launcher.

[CutterJohn]

From the webcast. I assume this is the same gun even though it's labeled "rocket" launcher.

To be fair it is a rocket launcher in everything but backstory.


Also, that view makes it look even better. :)

[ThGlump]

I asked TRay when we would maybe see the Lancer and got the following back

Tramell Ray Isaac‏@PS_TRay
@MirrorDT didn't make the cut... Maybe post launch

;(

Nooo. Now im pissed. Lancer was my favorite weapon. What we got instead? Fish like TR style beeper. disappointed :(

[VanuMAXGuy]

NO LANCER?

SOE just lost a customer.

[CrystalViolet]

thing that confuses me is the rail on top of a shoulder fired weapon. Wondering what possible attachments this implies.

[Talek Krell]

thing that confuses me is the rail on top of a shoulder fired weapon. Wondering what possible attachments this implies.Maybe it's so that you can stack a second rocket launcher on top? >_>

[Erendil]

I asked TRay when we would maybe see the Lancer and got the following back

Tramell Ray Isaac‏@PS_TRay
@MirrorDT didn't make the cut... Maybe post launch

;(


....and the hits just keep on coming.....


Jesus f'ing Christ. No lancer??

[Vash02]

NO LANCER?

SOE just lost a customer.

The text implies the lancer is still in. This is just the VS lock on AV weapon.

and also common pool lancer? how could anyone think of such an absurd concept? Obviously its 2+ ES AV weapons for each empire.

[VanuMAXGuy]

The text implies the lancer is still in. This is just the VS lock on AV weapon.

and also common pool lancer? how could anyone think of such an absurd concept? Obviously its 2+ ES AV weapons for each empire.

TRay explicitly said no Lancer at launch.

I hope he's just drunk and/or high and is trolling hard.

[Erendil]

TRay explicitly said no Lancer at launch.

I hope he's just drunk and/or high and is trolling hard.


God I sure hope he's just trolling. I mean they even mentioned in tonight's webcast that the Lancer would work like it did in PS1. But then TRay tweets that?

I'm so confused.

[321]

NO LANCER?

SOE just lost a customer.

Agreed, the lancer was the only reason I played PS.

[Johari]

There's a lot of fuss about the Lancer and whether or not it will be in. While TRay's twitter post is pretty damning, they do talk about that Lancer in the webcast.

http://www.twitch.tv/sonyonlinetv/b/309653892
skip to ~36:35

"We're bringing back all the Planetside 1 mechanics but we took the lock on mechanic is nowgiven to everybody. So everybody can have, hold it, point at an aircraft and just lock on over time. And then we're bringing back the Lancer still works like it did it Planetside 1..."
This is coming from Joshua Sanchez, the Combat Lead in PS2. While I don't like saying this maybe TRay is a little mixed up on what is and is not going to be in the game come launch. I can't imagine the Combat Lead talking about the old AV if it won't be ingame while the Senior Art Director may get that mixed up.

Take all of this with a grain of salt and DL the video for yourself before it gets taken down. Who knows when they'll rehost it on YouTube.

[Coreldan]

Oh my...

So more than one AV weapon per faction? or Lancer now common pool? something else? my brain? help?

Question mark?

Incoming nickname for this thing - 'The Fish'

'Hang on guys, just grabbing my Fish'

'Brb, grabbing a fishy from the term'

'Get your Trouts out!'

'Slap em' with yo mackerel'

I'm done.

This man is a genious!

Looks really good, once again.

[Death2All]

I really, really, really, really, really, really, REALLY, hope that for the sake of this game they did not give the Lancer the Axe and instead include a lame lock on mechanic AV weapon instead to replace, or I'm going to be pissed :mad:

[Gandhi]

I'd much rather have the Lancer than a lock on weapon. It was nice to have such different AV weapons on each faction so I'm not sure why the NC still get their steerable rockets while the VS lose their Lancer, which everyone loved.

[ringring]

Oh my...

So more than one AV weapon per faction? or Lancer now common pool? something else? my brain? help?

Question mark?

Incoming nickname for this thing - 'The Fish'

'Hang on guys, just grabbing my Fish'

'Brb, grabbing a fishy from the term'

'Get your Trouts out!'

'Slap em' with yo mackerel'

I'm done.

Lol yea ... The Fish is highly appropriate for VS. :p

[LZachariah]

The angle of the photo from the webcast is much better; the weapon is actually longer and more slender than it appeared in the other picture. I think it's a great design; it sounds like it will basically function as an infantry-portable Starfire cannon. I would like them to explain how the energy blasts are laser guided (are they actually warheads wreathed in an energy field? that would be cool).

~Zachariah

[Erendil]

I'd much rather have the Lancer than a lock on weapon. It was nice to have such different AV weapons on each faction so I'm not sure why the NC still get their steerable rockets while the VS lose their Lancer, which everyone loved.


Meh NC can have their guided rockets. It was only the camera mode which made them a PITA, and that's been axed. So no more NC spamming rockets around corners from complete safety. :p


The angle of the photo from the webcast is much better; the weapon is actually longer and more slender than it appeared in the other picture. I think it's a great design; it sounds like it will basically function as an infantry-portable Starfire cannon. I would like them to explain how the energy blasts are laser guided (are they actually warheads wreathed in an energy field? that would be cool).

~Zachariah


Magnets.


Oh, and:
http://i540.photobucket.com/albums/gg331/Erendil69/Planetside%202/Fission.jpg

[MgFalcon]

I'm not sure if I'm too fond of this idea... I need my Lancer straight shot amazingness, not a fire-and-forget lock-on DISCOBALL SHOOTER (plasma projectile). But hey if it lashes to other vehicles nearby I'd be all for the Lasher 2.0! :lol:

[SniperSteve]

This gun does remind me of a fish.. Haha Fish-head vanu. :D (I still like it, though)

[texico]

That's much more like it ;) but the name? lol.

[Oty]

So hot, I hope they make an smg with the same design ^^

[DaddyTickles]

Hmmm.... more like an armored horses dick. :eek:

[Canaris]

you meanies throwing a curve ball at the end for us ruined my predicition rating 3 out of 4, the Fission looks amazing, so you've given the VS there own version of the Styker.
Assume so will the NC, now I wonder what you're going to give the TR to make up ;)

[Cosmical]

http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/3748/fishonhighfinal.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/826/fishonhighfinal.jpg/)

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VICTORY THROUGH FISH-ON!!

[Shogun]

muharrharr sorry for joining in the "just post stupid pic/video" but it´s my alltime favorite monty python scatch ;-)

Monty Python, The Fish Slapping Dance - YouTube

and now someone edit it and make the actors purple ;-)

[FastAndFree]

http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/3748/fishonhighfinal.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/826/fishonhighfinal.jpg/)

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VICTORY THROUGH FISH-ON!!

You deserve a medal

[Shogun]

hehe that´s some fishy t-ray parody ;-)

is fish-oning the new teabagging?

[Pillow]

[QUOTE=Cosmical;642522]http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/3748/fishonhighfinal.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/826/fishonhighfinal.jpg/)



Awsome!

[Geist]

http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/3748/fishonhighfinal.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/826/fishonhighfinal.jpg/)

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VICTORY THROUGH FISH-ON!!

Seriously, you have a talent from god. Ever thought of starting a PS webcomic? ;)

[Cosmical]

Seriously, you have a talent from god. Ever thought of starting a PS webcomic? ;)

Oh wow thanks for the kind words. I just knocked that out while watching the Godzilla film. haha.

If there is actual interest in that, i would love to try it. Even if its just for you guys.

[Geist]

Oh wow thanks for the kind words. I just knocked that out while watching the Godzilla film. haha.

If there is actual interest in that, i would love to try it. Even if its just for you guys.

Maybe PSU would host it. I know plenty of MMO fan sites that have a webcomic, why not Planetside Universe? :D

[Cosmical]

Maybe PSU would host it. I know plenty of MMO fan sites that have a webcomic, why not Planetside Universe? :D

Heh good point, i'll think up a test run.

[Coreldan]

I'm almost sure PSU would host it at that quality! :D

I would love one as well.

[Hamma]

http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/3748/fishonhighfinal.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/826/fishonhighfinal.jpg/)

VICTORY THROUGH FISH-ON!!

:rofl: Awesome!

Oh wow thanks for the kind words. I just knocked that out while watching the Godzilla film. haha.

If there is actual interest in that, i would love to try it. Even if its just for you guys.

Maybe PSU would host it. I know plenty of MMO fan sites that have a webcomic, why not Planetside Universe? :D

We hosted a comic waaaay back in the day in early PS1. We'd love to bring back something like that. :)

[basti]

http://img826.imageshack.us/img826/3748/fishonhighfinal.jpg (http://imageshack.us/photo/my-images/826/fishonhighfinal.jpg/)

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VICTORY THROUGH FISH-ON!!

You Sir, are awesome.

[RadarX]

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VICTORY THROUGH FISH-ON!!

Amazing!

[RedKnights]

Oh wow thanks for the kind words. I just knocked that out while watching the Godzilla film. haha.

If there is actual interest in that, i would love to try it. Even if its just for you guys.

http://i3.kym-cdn.com/photos/images/original/000/115/988/Spongebob%20Money.jpg
Yes please

[none]

Is it just me or are the Vanu ergonomics really fucked up? Looks cool, but I can't see someone holding the vanu wepons.

[ThGlump]

Future materials are light as feather so with balance wouldnt be problem.
But their right wrist will be in wrong angle, that will hurt after a while.

[Shade Millith]

I certainly HOPE the Lancer isn't gone. I'm sick to death of stupid lock-on weapons in games. Depending on the situation, they're either too powerful, or completely flipping useless.

Is it really too much to ask to AIM in a FPS game?

[Whalenator]

Is it really too much to ask to AIM in a FPS game?

http://cache.jezebel.com/assets/images/39/2011/10/medium_agreebyrd.gif

[Higby]

Oh wow thanks for the kind words. I just knocked that out while watching the Godzilla film. haha.

If there is actual interest in that, i would love to try it. Even if its just for you guys.

I would be insanely interested in that! That's classic man! Love the Fish-on cannon!

[Cosmical]

I would be insanely interested in that! That's classic man! Love the Fish-on cannon!

Fucking hell! Higgles is interested. Now i have to do it dont i :D

[Carbanu]

Fucking hell! Higgles is interested. Now i have to do it dont i :D

Yep I had to tweet this right away, or it would be lost forever!

Good luck

[Geist]

Fucking hell! Higgles is interested. Now i have to do it dont i :D

Woo, I knew it was a good idea. Just don't forget about the little people when your famous. :p

[Hamma]

Fucking hell! Higgles is interested. Now i have to do it dont i :D

Check your PM's as well! :)

[VanuMAXGuy]

I would be insanely interested in that! That's classic man! Love the Fish-on cannon!

Higgles why won't you clear up this Lancer confusion? All we need is one of two words: "in" or "out"?

[Higby]

Higgles why won't you clear up this Lancer confusion? All we need is one of two words: "in" or "out"?

We'll see, we can easily turn the "fission" into the "lancer" if we think that VS can do without the lockon. I like the lancer too.

[RedKnights]

There's a lot of advantages to not having a lock-on. Like having the element of surprise, and it rewards skill. Plus that sound it made... oh man... XD

Vanu was always "expert mode" I don't see why that has to change =P

[Vash02]

We'll see, we can easily turn the "fission" into the "lancer" if we think that VS can do without the lockon. I like the lancer too.

Wait, so Lancer isnt in unless you remove the fission? or is it just the time you have budgeted for AV weapons limited to one weapon each at release?

I'm so confused.

[Zulthus]

I loooved the Wha-POWW sound the lancer made. My favorite of all three AV weapons, PLEASE bring it back. VS don't need a lockon weapon. Shooting down aircraft with the lancer was cake anyway.

[VanuMAXGuy]

We'll see, we can easily turn the "fission" into the "lancer" if we think that VS can do without the lockon. I like the lancer too.

I wouldn't want the Fission to take over the Lancer's place. I want THE Lancer, not new AV gun with lancer-like behavior.

I just want my old school arsenal to be retained, is that too much to ask? Why the need to make a whole new gun to replace something we've grown to love for nearly a decade?

Keep the Fission as is, work on giving the VS their Lancer.

[Vash02]

vvvvvvPEW vvvvvvvPEW vvvvvvvPEW

^^win^^

[RedKnights]

I wouldn't want the Fission to take over the Lancer's place. I want THE Lancer, not new AV gun with lancer-like behavior.

I just want my old school arsenal to be retained, is that too much to ask? Why the need to make a whole new gun to replace something we've grown to love for nearly a decade?

Keep the Fission as is, work on giving the VS their Lancer.


Shhhh! Are you crazy? They might give us the Lasher as it now exists in PS1 <.<

I do like the idea of having a "dummy" and a "Guided" weapon for each empire.

VS Recieve: Fission and Lancer
TR Recieve: Striker and Some kind of handheld rapid fire rocklet pod.
NC Revieve: Phoenix and the Decimator

If you want to model it after BF3, that's what they do.

[Talek Krell]

We'll see, we can easily turn the "fission" into the "lancer" if we think that VS can do without the lockon. I like the lancer too.If both aren't an option, why not make the "Lancer" a module that you add to the Fission to change its functionality? Or a variant. A way to change the weapon without using a different model.

[Shade Millith]

We'll see, we can easily turn the "fission" into the "lancer" if we think that VS can do without the lockon. I like the lancer too.

Please, please, PLEASE have the Lancer, or at least something that works exactly like it.

As an infantry AV aficionado, it was by far my favorite weapon against tanks. Powerful, and much longer range, but a bit more difficult to use.

Please don't nerf the game play into boredom with all AV being lockon. Same with AA, flak was good and effective.

[Neurotoxin]

We'll see, we can easily turn the "fission" into the "lancer" if we think that VS can do without the lockon. I like the lancer too.

Dumbfire rounds for the Fission would pretty much do the job, since the classic Lancer only had one type of shot. Beyond that, I hope to see them as two separate weapons for different usage and specialization on the battlefield at some point.

[Gandhi]

Just imagine the Lancer's firing effect in the new engine, with improved sound effects :eek:

[Fenrys]

If both aren't an option, why not make the "Lancer" a module that you add to the Fission to change its functionality? Or a variant. A way to change the weapon without using a different model.

+1 for this idea.

On one hand, I don't want to nay-say locking weapons without feeling the game first.
On the other hand, the Lancer is badass - my favorite AV weapon.

[Shogun]

weird. as always the world ends if vs lose their beloved av weapon they all love...

but i guess the guys who fight for the lancer so hard, are the same guys who rant against the nc camera missile and want it to be gone because it´s so overpowered to shoot from cover...

so as always it´s ok for the vs to have advantages, but not for anyone else...
if having an av-sniper rifle was not a worthy advantage, why would there be such an uproar now?

[Traak]

The description makes it sound like the Lancer still exists, so are we to take it that each empire gets 2 ESAV weapons in PS2?

Edit: Damn, ninja'd...Twice.

The NC have a camera-guided and dumbfire Phoenix modes.
The TR have lock-on and dumbfire modes for their AV.
Makes sense the VS have two different AV "modes" also, no?

If the things are like they were in PS1.

[Lazza]

I don't think people should boycott PS2 because the lancer may not be in. On the grand scale of things was it really 1 particular weapon that made PS so addictive or was it the massive scale of the battles, besides the devs can't keep everyone happy. What about all the new player they are trying to attract. They will probably have a bitch at the fact they don't have a lock-on weapon when the other 2 factions do. On the other hand I never used the lancer when I played so WTF would I know.

[Kran De Loy]

If both aren't an option, why not make the "Lancer" a module that you add to the Fission to change its functionality? Or a variant. A way to change the weapon without using a different model.

THis, oh man that would be awesome.

[Traak]

THis, oh man that would be awesome.

Quoted
For
Truth

[ThGlump]

We'll see, we can easily turn the "fission" into the "lancer" if we think that VS can do without the lockon. I like the lancer too.

Do it NOW. :)

In ps1 there was really difference between empires in AV weapons. Now everyone get their ES lockon weapon. No difference, it blends together. If every empire has to have lockon why not make it common pool and keep ES specific AV?

[DxC]

I like it very cool :)

Thing was the only diff that the lancer had other than being amazing was it was not Lock on or User guided it was a very good all round AV gun for the reason you could see where the the other rockets are coming from aka the TR Striker and also the NC phoenix

The Lancer was well a AV snipers dream

[Saerain]

Not as sexy to me as the Pulsar, but a slow, homing plasma projectile is intriguing, I won't lie.

[SztEltviz]

Batou votes for Lancer (http://youtu.be/d867yvNW4aE)

[PrISM]

So...it's a fancy Striker now? Cool.

[CrystalViolet]

Lancer is fine with me as long as it doesn't still make the annoying woosh-pew woosh-pew woosh-pew sound.

[Bobby Shaftoe]

weird. as always the world ends if vs lose their beloved av weapon they all love...

but i guess the guys who fight for the lancer so hard, are the same guys who rant against the nc camera missile and want it to be gone because it´s so overpowered to shoot from cover...

so as always it´s ok for the vs to have advantages, but not for anyone else...
if having an av-sniper rifle was not a worthy advantage, why would there be such an uproar now?

Wrong on so many levels, the most annoying thing about Phoenix users was 75% of them prefering to hit squishies instead of vehicles, not because they were sat behind a rock. (They could have mitigated this by making it to do only armour damage like the Striker so you didn't have to spend 10 seconds healing and repairing after some bozo hurr-durred his camera into your face.)

The Lancer was fun to use but most importantly it was REWARDING to use, anyone could pick it up and be effective against larger (moving) vehicles upto 200 metres quite quickly. It also gave you opportunity of using it on smaller/faster targets, sure you might only hit 1 shot out of 6 on an ABing Mozzie 200 metres away but YOU still did it. You had the freedom to do whatever you wanted with the Lancer, that's why people liked it.

Now they're just going to implement a 'wave-x-hair-vaguely-over-target' system.

That's not fun(arguably) nor rewarding.

[basti]

We'll see, we can easily turn the "fission" into the "lancer" if we think that VS can do without the lockon. I like the lancer too.

We would like both, actually.
The Fisison has good potential for the noob. The Lancer is good for people who know how to use it. So, a simple modification on the gun that changes it from Lock on to Lancer Style would do the job.

Or two AV guns for all factions. VS Fission and Lancer, TR Striker and something like a fusion of the rocklet gun and the decimator (straight fire, high ROF), NC Phoenix and Deci.

[Wakken]

Wait, what? Two AV guns? The Fission AND the Lancer?
How cool is that? :D

Nerf! Nao! ;)

[Vash02]

Lancer is fine with me as long as it doesn't still make the annoying woosh-pew woosh-pew woosh-pew sound.

heresy!

[BorisBlade]

We would like both, actually.
The Fisison has good potential for the noob. The Lancer is good for people who know how to use it. So, a simple modification on the gun that changes it from Lock on to Lancer Style would do the job.

Or two AV guns for all factions. VS Fission and Lancer, TR Striker and something like a fusion of the rocklet gun and the decimator (straight fire, high ROF), NC Phoenix and Deci.

Yeah definitely both. And the fission is not just better for noobs its better in some situations while worse in others. For example lock on is massively better for air craft or maxes (esp if you arent right up on them) with its lock on, and it works better if you are moving while firing. Also the lock on warning itself can be a good deterrent which is in reality all you may need to do in many situations. The lancer however is better for the fact it gives no warning, and it doesnt have a long travel time so your target cant go run behind trees or over hills to make the missile hit things. When you fire a lancer at somethin it hits it if you can see it. You can hit targets at longer distances with the lancer too. It does much better when there is cover than a striker by far and of course is much more skill dependent.

Honestly the striker and lancer were balanced very well in PS1 and sticking with similar designs would easily allow for both weapons to be available and both to be good for different situations. As easy as just using a firing mode thing on the fission, i would much prefer two different weapons. Allow for making a choice, less "one weapon to do eveyrhting". Since ps2 is more about unlocks and not very meaningful specialization, we will get enough br40 syndrome as is. Keep the weapons separate.

BTW, a big fat HELL NO to camera guided weapons. They mentioned maybe bringing that back, do not do it. Its skill-less and majorly lame. And you cant defend against it like LoS weapons, it kills strategy and gameplay. The fun of trying to take cover and stay out of sight of your enemy while fighting is completely gone when fighting the current PS1 phoenix. I use it, or i should say abuse it, massively while on my NC toon. Its the best weapon to defend or attack a base with, hands down. Hide in safety and hit absolutely anything thats no indoors. They cant hide from it, nor can they attack you to get you to stop. Great idea in real life, crap idea for a game where you want things to promote good gameplay on both sides of an encounter.

[Johari]

Wouldn't it play into the VS theme of mobility if the Fission is actually both? Don't get me wrong I love the look and I'd love to see what a reskinned Lancer would look like but what if the Fission had 2 fire modes? One is the slower lock-on projectile as described and the secondary toggle fire is the old Lancer style charge-shot of old?

[Death2All]

Wouldn't it play into the VS theme of mobility if the Fission is actually both? Don't get me wrong I love the look and I'd love to see what a reskinned Lancer would look like but what if the Fission had 2 fire modes? One is the slower lock-on projectile as described and the secondary toggle fire is the old Lancer style charge-shot of old?

I would perfectly happy if the fission had an alternate variant, or as you suggest fire mode that behaved exactly like the original Lancer. I could care less what the name of it is. But Lancer would be preferred :D

Can't say I'm too thrilled about all empires being given lock AV either. No need to ruin the uniqueness of each empire and over simplify the game for everyone.

[Atheosim]

I'm sure there will be myriad customization options to allow for an extremely different user experience for each esav. And in all likelihood, ES customization options... VS can modify their whositwhatsitmajigger capacitationorz to make the locking orb change into a much faster dumbfire bolt. easy.

[VanuMAXGuy]

If both aren't an option, why not make the "Lancer" a module that you add to the Fission to change its functionality? Or a variant. A way to change the weapon without using a different model.

Do not reduce the legendary Lancer to a pathetic little module for a new gun, that would be incredibly insulting to it.

[Talek Krell]

If both aren't an option, why not make the "Lancer" a module that you add to the Fission to change its functionality? Or a variant. A way to change the weapon without using a different model.

Do not reduce the legendary Lancer to a pathetic little module for a new gun, that would be incredibly insulting to it.
Your opinion is noted. Thank you for contributing!

[Sardus]

Starfire max in the power of your hands? :O

[Quovatis]

I enjoyed the lancer in PS1. It was a rewarding skill-based weapon. You got slightly longer range than the other empire's AV weapons, one more round per clip, and a very fast projectile. It meant you could actually hit a tank behind a building where you can only see a few pixels. That's why I hated the striker (which sounds like what the Fission will be similar to). The striker would hit trees half the time, and the enemy gets a lock-on warning. In certain situations the striker was superior, but for me, that was rare. So I hope to see the return of the lancer. It was my favorite weapon in PS1.

[Ceska]

If you got the Lancer back, it should have some kind of damage decrease over distance, as it is mentioned for Pulsar, based on plasma bolt.
So VS can have their toy back, but NC can forget their TV-guided rocket ?

PS : I'm not sad of losing TV-guided, it made battle static, but seeing people whinning for their sweet toy is just annoying...

[Erendil]

Wouldn't it play into the VS theme of mobility if the Fission is actually both? Don't get me wrong I love the look and I'd love to see what a reskinned Lancer would look like but what if the Fission had 2 fire modes? One is the slower lock-on projectile as described and the secondary toggle fire is the old Lancer style charge-shot of old?


Yeah I was thinking that as well. It'd fit quite well into the VS theme of versatility. But personally, I'd much rather all three empires have both firing modes on one ESAV weapon instead two separate weapons, rather than giving that advantage to just the VS. It fits the "flexibility over firepower" advantage that infantry have over vehicles, and given the solo-vehiclefest that PS2 will most likely become I fear that softies are going to need all the help they can get when outside.

Plus, in PS1 both the Striker and Phoenix already have dumb-fire modes which I presume will carry over to PS2. It would be a logical next step for the Devs to give the VS AV 2 modes as well. Hopefully they'll improve the Striker/Phoenix dumb-fire modes so they're actually useful against moving vehicles as well, though.


If you got the Lancer back, it should have some kind of damage decrease over distance, as it is mentioned for Pulsar, based on plasma bolt.
So VS can have their toy back, but NC can forget their TV-guided rocket ?

PS : I'm not sad of losing TV-guided, it made battle static, but seeing people whinning for their sweet toy is just annoying...


Damage Degradation has been slapped onto other VS weapons as a balance measure to counteract their superior accuracy over NC/TR weapons. However, the Lancer would not have any such advantage over the Striker/Phoenix in many situations. And we have no idea how many shots it'll take to destroy vehicles with ESAV, so it's too early to tell whether or not Degradation would even make sense as a balancing measure.

As for the Phoenix, BorisBlade and Bobby Shaftoe both covered reasons why the Phoenix camera mode needed to go. I will add the fact that its ability to fire around buildings and over walls and hills made it next to impossible to break out of a base under NC seige without a large numerical advantage. Much like the Lasher's lash, it was simply too hard of a feature to balance with any measure of success.

[Fenrys]

Damage Degradation has been slapped onto other VS weapons as a balance measure to counteract their superior accuracy over NC/TR weapons.

There's some conflicting information about that. It seems to me that what you've said is the way it should be, but in the last webcast Higby said VS weapons got LESS damage degradation and LESS bullet drop (as in they still drop a little bit) compared to NC/TR weapons. We'll see if the extra recoil is enough to balance things.

If VS still get mobility as part of their theme, then having longer range weapons makes sense. For example, the PS1 Magrider would need an accuracy buff to take full advantage of its mobility.

[Erendil]

There's some conflicting information about that. It seems to me that what you\'ve said is the way it should be, but in the last webcast Higby said VS weapons got LESS damage degradation and LESS bullet drop (as in they still drop a little bit) compared to NC/TR weapons. We\'ll see if the extra recoil is enough to balance things.

If VS still get mobility as part of their theme, then having longer range weapons makes sense. For example, the PS1 Magrider would need an accuracy buff to take full advantage of its mobility.

Yeah the latest PC Gamer article Higby stated the "bullets...do lose damage over time." I wouldn't really call it conflicting info tho. More like a little sketchiness on the details. Even if bullets degrade over time (I wish they wouldn't, but w/e), I'm 99% sure the VS weapons will degrade more than their NC/TR counterparts. So either way the VS get the lion's share of degradation.

Oh, an FWIW the TR get part of the "mobility" theme this time around. They're all about speed, so their vehicles do have a higher top speed than the VS ones, although VS still win on the maneuverability front (turning, strafing, acceleration, etc). And of course we still have "Versatility" as a theme as well.

It also seems that "accuracy" is another theme since our weapons' energy blasts appear to be treated as more than just "glowing bullets" in PS2. They actually have slightly different flight characteristics (like no bullet drop, for example). So yeah, the Lancer would fit right in.

[Sabrak]

Wouldn\\'t it play into the VS theme of mobility if the Fission is actually both? Don\\'t get me wrong I love the look and I\\'d love to see what a reskinned Lancer would look like but what if the Fission had 2 fire modes? One is the slower lock-on projectile as described and the secondary toggle fire is the old Lancer style charge-shot of old?

^ This.

But instead of a secondary fire mode, make it a customization option.

The lancer needs to be in the game in some way, because it was a great signature weapon for the VS (and I played NC).

[Ceska]

The thing with Lancer, is that it as a very fast traveling speed. When a NC with a laser guided Phoenix need to steer is rocket until he hits a moving target, he can only fire a few ones, whereas a Lancer can hit multiple time in a few seconds, and so that's why it should have damage decrease over distance to conteract the fact that with TV or Laser guided weapon, the more distant is a target, the less rocket you can launch

[Shamrock]

Id say just have the Fission as a variant of the Lancer, say you get the lock on option but for a degradation in either range, rate of fire, or damage.

Oh and the whaaa-POW noise as the lancer fires HAS to stay, its a signature sound. :)