Most likely to be nerfed?

[MrVicchio]

Just curious, with the prevalance in OTHER games of the use of the nerf bat, which weapon do you think is most likely, from what we know, to be nerfed for being too powerful.

Course its all just speculation but hey, it does give you something to think about.

[Enkidu]

Since no one has played PS, thats a hard question to answer. It depends on how good or how bad they balance things.

[MrVicchio]

Well of course it is. It's just a perception poll. I.E. What do you think, from what you know ATM is most likely to be either considered over powered, or actually overpowered.

[Enkidu]

At any rate. I voted for stealth. It sounds like they have it worked out, I just have a feeling that It may work too good and will be nerfed. I guess that all depends on what they will allow the stealthed person to carry for weapons when PS is relased.

[MrVicchio]

I fear the guided missles IMHO. Depending on thier range... I can think of ten really nasty things to do with them off the top of my head that would piss people off.

[Airlift]

I think the death star will be first against the wall when the nerf revolution comes. I mean really, that's no moon!

[Hamma]

I fear the missiles as well.. anything thats auto guided could be dangerous.

That is, if its auto guided :p just speculation heh

[MrVicchio]

I was reffering to the TOW player guided missles.

[sYn pHrEAk]

I really think enkidu is right. Its seems like theres never been a really good way to do stealth in a game. In teamfortress (every version of it) somehow everyone always new i was a spy disguised as a medic... so it sucked so it was pointless...

but then i saw someone talking about the total invisability for the spy but that was too powerful so they nerfed that...

i just hope they actually work on all the stuff thats unbalanced to make it balanced instead of just making it suck and leaving it like that...

[Hamma]

Well that is what beta and open beta is for :D

[�io]

Well hard to say before games comes out.

I said stealth because the rest should be well balanced. Hopefully stealth will be somewhat like in T2.

[sYn pHrEAk]

Originally posted by Hamma
Well that is what beta and open beta is for :D

yeah but it seems like some stuff that isn't easily balanced in beta is just left to be sucky and not worth using instead of working on it more to balance it out....

[Lt AntiSmile]

stealth.

2 possable nerfs;
not "Stealth-y" enough doesn't hide the person well.
or
Only your knife.

[Pecos_Bill]

I vote sniper rifles. In every FPS, people complain about sniper rifles. Either they'll get nerfed or they'll start out nerfed, relative to the way sniper rifles have worked in similar games, like Halo, Tribes and Counterstrike. People just don't like running along in their suit of Super Wowzer Heavy Armor With Quad Barreled Machine Guns and Head Mounted Laser and Triple Spoilers if they just get beaned from some noob in light armor who is hiding in the bushes 1 mile away.


IMO, heavy armor should be immune to sniper rifles, since otherwise "big open map" + "slow moving armor" + "vulnerable to sniper" is going to mean nobody ever uses heavy armor.

[NapalmEnima]

I wouldn't be too suprised to find that Some Other Thing will cause imbalances, something we know little or nothing about.

Maybe the Vanu MAX's weaponry is too powerful, or the Vanguard's armored so much it takes an act of NapalmEnima to kill it. Or the sniper rifle can carry too much ammo or... or or or or.

We just don't bloody know enough.

But based on what we DO know, I think they're gonna have to nerf the entire TR. We just kick too much keister.

[�io]

Well sniping has never been a problem for me except for the dudes in T2 who got a head shot on you while you're flying in your shrike, that pissed me off.

I would agree with heavy armor being more or less invulnerable to snipers. Not totally invicible or people would take max armor a lot but 3-4 head shots for a kill, something like that.

[Unregistered]

So long as there are no "one shot, one kill" weapons I'll be happy. Any time someone can sit out of harms way, and be a Nancy Boy sniper killing people in one shot you have balence issues if you ask me.

Single kill weapons ruin the game.

[�io]

Well we'll have to see when the game is finally in our hands but i would expect/hope/demand that a headshot is both quite difficult on moving targets and lethal on lower armored folks. That's the point of sniping, killing the enemy before he can see/kill you.

[NapalmEnima]

I'm hoping you're limiting your "anit-1-shot-kill" stance to man-portable weapons.

And I still think you're wrong.

If I dump all three barrels of the NC's Jackhammer into someone's face, THEY'D BETTER DIE. Unless they're wearing a MAX, and even then I'd be a little disappointed. NC's MAX with the force field? Sure. They get to live.

And don't even get me started on the effects of a 150mm cannon on the human frame. It's just too disgusting to contemplate.

So yes, I think there should be 1-shot kills, and from a variety of sources. Like the Devistator, the common pool disposable missile launcher. If a human being is unfortuate enough to be struck ANYWHERE, they're in deep trouble. Anything less than a MAX shouldn't survive. And I'm not so sure on the MAX either. (Sound familiar?) Ditto for the Phoenix.

Point blank mines won't be pretty either. Or the Lasher. Or getting hosed down with the Mini-Chaingun (or even the Cycler). And if some Sneaky Bastard manages to dump an AMP's clip into the back of my head, I'd better be pushin up the daisies. Just about any MAX weapon should turn a non-MAX into goo. An anchored TR MAX should be able to sweep a room of lesser beings without too much trouble... mown down like so much wheat.

There's LOTS of high-power weapons, on all sides. You'll need serious armor to live through more than a couple serious hits from any of the bigger guns.


But don't forget that a medic can revive THE DEAD. Engineers can repair your armor. Getting killed doesn't necessarily mean a trip to the spawning tube. Every infantry squad had better have at least one medic... and the more the merrier, even if it's not your primary skill.

[Hamma]

Originally posted by Unregistered
So long as there are no "one shot, one kill" weapons I'll be happy.

Ditto :D

[Qanamil_Rafiki]

I don't know, I think sniper rifles should get "one shot kills" with head shots of most and even chest shots on lightly armored individuals.

Yeah, the rifle bolts should just bounce off of the MAXs... or at least do minimal damage per hit.

[�io]

The way i see it :

Headshot should be hard to get and lethal on most armors. Should do less damage on a MAX but not too little, MAXs already seem to be very powerful so it could easily become unbalanced. (I.E. Everybody in a MAX, no small armors.)

As for other weapons being one hit kills well that all depends. Unloading all 3 rounds of your jackhammer into me at close range sure ok no problem but if you miss a bit or aren't very close it shouldn't be a one shot deal, again it would make it too powerful.

[TheSHiFT]

in tfc spys were incrediable in pubs if u knew how to use them, as far as leugue thought they werent touched much even in 9v9

[CrazyMike]

MrViccio I understand you have a distrust of Sony/Verant.. but your negative attitude toward this game, which isn't even in beta yet and none of us have played, is starting to get old.


CrazyMike

[MrVicchio]

CrazyMike,

I have the UTMOST deire to play this game. It's the one game I REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY want to play. Its not a negative attitdue that promted this post, rather, I wanted to see what weapon the forum hounds thought was MOST likely to be the "killer" weapon. And, if MMO's history, from AO to DAOC to EQ are ANY indication of how these are delt wiht, the NERF bat hits that spell/weapn/class/Armor/Ability/Race. It had ZERO to do with Verant and EVERYTHING to do with PLAYER PERCEPTION!

Please, do yourself a favor, realize I am an optimistic SKEPTIC.

There are two reasons for this, one my parents, my father flew the F-4E Phantom II. Fighter pilots are notorious for praying for the best, planning for the worst case scenario. This rubbed off on me. Second reason is, I too am in the Armed Forces, and as such, I take that attitude. Pray for the best, plan for the worst.

[�io]

Originally posted by MrVicchio
realize I am an optimistic SKEPTIC.

W00t! I as well. :D

[CrazyMike]

Blah blah blah.. when you use the word nerf you should expect some people to take offence. Anyone who's been around to know what nerf means also knows that it's not a term of endearment. I'm glad you're positiive. Your posts are telling us otherwise though since in the short time you've been posting here you've already been complaining and then now you start a thread where the tone is obviously hostile towards Son'y/Verant.

I'm not saying you're some major league h8er.. I'm just saying that you're obvious distrust is getting tiresome. Others no doubt will disagree, but thats the wonderous thing about forums.. we all get to post what we think, which is what I tend to do.


CrazyMike

[MrVicchio]

Yes but if I had used another term, people would have maybe not understood. Nerf is a common used word.

As Is Carebear.

Both are looked down on, but EVERYONE knows thier meaning.

BTW this IMHO had nothing bad about verant/SOE. Also, only in ONE post have I expressed my distrust. I thought the others were nuetral/postive so please, try to hold back the flame bat before slamming me with your h4xxor1ng :P

[Hamma]

popcorn:

[�io]

*Sits beside Hamma and watches as well*

*whispers*
Pssst! Pass me some popcorn dude.

[CrazyMike]

Trust me Viccio.. if I were flaming you, you'd know it. Just ask around.


CrazyMike

[MrVicchio]

In my best funny voice:

"Are you threatening me? Hmmm?"

For the life of me, I forget where that line is from, its in a movie... something funny.. cant recall it though damn it.

[Hamma]

uhh, beavis and butthead?

[MrVicchio]

yeah, thats it

[stick100]

No kidding you arn't getting flamed. You are not getting flamed until every single person reading your posts calls you a @#$@ing idiot. Thats when you are getting flamed, and it sucks.

For a good example click on the link below.

[Tobias]

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http://www.gamers-forums.com/smilies/contrib/edoom/flamethrowingsmiley.gif

heh.

Oh i hope sniper rifles are one shot kills to head, 75% dmg if chenter of chest, and 40% everywere else. Heavy armor and MAX are just 75% for head.

my hopes