Planetside 2 for Linux?

[Stormhall]

I raise this question because I am getting broken bad sector hard drive on my laptop replaced and I am going to put Lubuntu on it. (No I dont have the Vista Recovery Disk or my older XP Recovery Disk and I'm using my old Desktop (3 years) running Windows 7) Also Linux gaming is very possible because we have the technology just people dont want to develop and if that is the case then I'll use WINE (hopefully).

[Goku]

Doubtful.

[NCLynx]

Doubt it. Although I hardly know much about Linux so who am I to say it won't happen.

[Destroyeron]

If you have the Vista/XP Keys just download an ISO?

[Stormhall]

The key for Vista is on the underside of my Laptop and the key for XP was on the packaging of the disk which is also gone.

[Hamma]

Doubtful.

This - I really don't see this happening at least natively.

[Skitrel]

I though this was actually asked at some point, with the response of no Mac/Linux versions planned right now?

I could be imagining things though.

[Stormhall]

I'm not surprised and I'm guessing PS2 will be using DX11 right? Although it could've been possible to make it in OpenGL.

[ShockNC]

I raise this question because I am getting broken bad sector hard drive on my laptop replaced and I am going to put Lubuntu on it. (No I dont have the Vista Recovery Disk or my older XP Recovery Disk and I'm using my old Desktop (3 years) running Windows 7) Also Linux gaming is very possible because we have the technology just people dont want to develop and if that is the case then I'll use WINE (hopefully).

Good luck. Wine is usually hit or miss with many programs.

[getcarter]

Do they even make graphics drivers for that platform?

[Goku]

Yes they do.

[kaffis]

Yes they do.
Well, it depends on who you mean by "they"...

In any case, I'm pretty sure the devs have confirmed that Forgelight uses DirectX. So no native Linux or Mac clients.

[Ragefighter]

Do they even make graphics drivers for that platform?

I know at least Nvidia Has current (500 series, it shows the 600 series as win vista/7 linux 32/64 etc but no xp) drivers for Windows xp/vista/7/8(32/64) Linux 32/64-bit FreeBSD 32/64-bit Solaris 32/64

http://www.geforce.com/drivers/

I have used them on ubuntu and debian desktops, to play games through Wine or native games. I know that Unreal Engine based games, at least the older ones like Unreal tournament, all the Quakes probably some new stuff but not sure, are supported in Linux with OpenGL. But most games need DirectX to run properly. =[

I know I could get EQ2 running on it by importing the dir or something was a few years ago. There was some minor to moderate graphics and texture issues that I could have probably gotten fixed but just installed win7 after a while cause it got to be to much work.

There are a few ventrilo compatible or ventrilo-like programs for linux too that ran pretty good (I used to log into a vent server from the program called Mangler, can't access the webpage on this pc atm some kind of PHP error).

Would be cool to support linux but it would cause some problems. plus most people who use Linux could probably get it working one way or another, although it probably wont look as nice or be as easy to get going.

[Snipefrag]

So you want to run a triple A, frame rate heavy FPS game on a 3 year old Desktop running ubuntu with WINE? I dont care how much WINE isnt an emulator, or how awesome people think it is.. it will still cause some overhead. Tied with the fact that the game wont have been tested in this format or optimised for it i would be very surprise if you could have a good gaming experience. WINE might work for Quake or Unreal tournament but PS2 will be a whole different kettle of fish.

[Stormhall]

No I want to run a tripe A, frame rate heavy FPS game on a 5 year old Laptop and run it with Lubuntu after the HDD gets replaced and also WINE is an emulator the "E" for WINE means emulator and you don't need WINE for any of the Quake Games (apart from 1) and you only need WINE for Unreal Tournament 3. And you didn't read my host comment (host comment being the comment that starts the thread) because I said my 3 year old Desktop is running Windows 7.

[Bonius]

No I want to run a tripe A, frame rate heavy FPS game on a 5 year old Laptop and run it with Lubuntu after the HDD gets replaced and also WINE is an emulator the "E" for WINE means emulator and you don't need WINE for any of the Quake Games (apart from 1) and you only need WINE for Unreal Tournament 3. And you didn't read my host comment (host comment being the comment that starts the thread) because I said my 3 year old Desktop is running Windows 7.

Answers in short:

Will it install? Doubtful
Will it run? Highly doubtful
Will it be playable? No

If you somehow manage to play the game with or without an unsupported emulator, in an unsupported OS, with hardware specs that are probably below the requirements for a modern OS, I will take my hat off for you.

[Stormhall]

Answers in short:

Will it install? Doubtful
Will it run? Highly doubtful
Will it be playable? No

If you somehow manage to play the game with or without an unsupported emulator, in an unsupported OS, with hardware specs that are probably below the requirements for a modern OS, I will take my hat off for you.

Well after I get my HDD replaced I will replace my 1.8ghz processor and add 4 more GB of RAM making it 6GB RAM and the Linux communities always come up with something.

[Bonius]

Well after I get my HDD replaced I will replace my 1.8ghz processor and add 4 more GB of RAM making it 6GB RAM and the Linux communities always come up with something.

I wish you good luck in your project, but take my word for it when I say: It won't work.

(Post your specs and I will tell you why)

[basti]

Well after I get my HDD replaced I will replace my 1.8ghz processor and add 4 more GB of RAM making it 6GB RAM and the Linux communities always come up with something.

Its called Wine, but it wont be fun.

Simply get yourself Windows for gaming.

[headcrab13]

SOE tends to stick to their guns from game to game (at least in the near term), so if their last dozen games haven't supported Linux, unfortunately I don't expect PS2 to, either.

[Infektion]

WINE!!!! but it'll probably run like crap. Why would you want to play PS2 on Linux? Chances are... you Dual boot to windows anyways.

[Snipefrag]

No I want to run a tripe A, frame rate heavy FPS game on a 5 year old Laptop and run it with Lubuntu after the HDD gets replaced and also WINE is an emulator the "E" for WINE means emulator and you don't need WINE for any of the Quake Games (apart from 1) and you only need WINE for Unreal Tournament 3. And you didn't read my host comment (host comment being the comment that starts the thread) because I said my 3 year old Desktop is running Windows 7.

I've used WINE a couple of times with varying degrees of success. You are correct, it originally stood for WINdows Emulator when the project started out as thats what it attempted to do, emulate the windows OS at a software level. But software emulation is very costly, so it quickly turned into an exercise in building an abstraction layer than could translate the calls applications make into the windows operating systems that are commonly used so they do roughly the same thing in a UNIX environment. It was decided (for copyright reasons as well as semantic ones) to change the meaning of the acronym from the above to simply stand for Wine Is Not an Emulator, as an abstraction layer.. or more accurately a software compatibility layer it traded performance for compatibility problems which was a wise trade off.

back to your point, running PS2 on a 5 year old laptop sounds like an even worse idea... What are you going to use it for? sitting on your desk logged on to another empire to spy on the opposition? You wont be able to actually use it for playing if it runs at all...

[CyclesMcHurtz]

... and also WINE is an emulator the "E" for WINE means emulator and ...

Actually, WINE is really a recursive acronym [ (W)ine (I)s (N)ot an (E)mulator ], and the code is not an emulator. It's a set of libraries (.DLL's in MS Windows terms) that intercept calls and replace them with the Linux equivalents while running. It's more like a MOD for windows .EXE's. If you're running on an Intel platform there is no emulation going on.

[RNFB]

Actually, WINE is really a recursive acronym [ (W)ine (I)s (N)ot an (E)mulator ], and the code is not an emulator. It's a set of libraries (.DLL's in MS Windows terms) that intercept calls and replace them with the Linux equivalents while running. It's more like a MOD for windows .EXE's. If you're running on an Intel platform there is no emulation going on.

What you described is exactly what an emulator is

[CyclesMcHurtz]

In computing, an emulator is hardware or software or both that duplicates (or emulates) the functions of a first computer system (the guest) in a different second computer system (the host), so that the emulated behavior closely resembles the behavior of the real system. This focus on exact reproduction of behavior is in contrast to some other forms of computer simulation, in which an abstract model of a system is being simulated. For example, a computer simulation of a hurricane or a chemical reaction is not emulation.


I'm asserting that WINE is a translator, not an emulator. If you don't understand a language (i.e. German) you get a translator. This is the case with Windows v. Linux. The hardware can be exactly the same, thus not really emulating anything.

If you want to run Windows 3.11 software (Minesweeper!) on your Windows 7 system, you run in compatability mode - which translates the Windows 3.11 calls into Windows 7 calls. You're still using a graphics card that Windows nativity understands, along with Mouse, Keyboard, Disk Drive, etc.

[Shanesan]

I'm asserting that WINE is a translator, not an emulator. If you don't understand a language (i.e. German) you get a translator. This is the case with Windows v. Linux. The hardware can be exactly the same, thus not really emulating anything.

If you want to run Windows 3.11 software (Minesweeper!) on your Windows 7 system, you run in compatability mode - which translates the Windows 3.11 calls into Windows 7 calls. You're still using a graphics card that Windows nativity understands, along with Mouse, Keyboard, Disk Drive, etc.

CyclesMcHurtz pulls out the big guns. Well done. At the least, we know that you know your stuff. :)

[Red Beard]

CyclesMcHurtz pulls out the big guns.

The Cyclers to be exact!:D

[Infektion]

If you use linux and think wine is an emulator, stop using linux right now, because you just sounds like a tard. Wine uses actual windows API in a nonwindows system, Emulator = virtualization. Emulators are slow. Like I said, if you use Linux, chances are you already have another environment using windows natively, so why is this even a thread? Powerusers stay in linux, and any unix environment shall remain as such. Windows = gaming, Unix-like = everything else.... except for M$ office apps :P They are crappy in OS X anyways, and FYI: OS X is technically dumb down linux/unix for the pretentious bourgeois moron.

[Hermes]

It's a common misunderstanding and one of my favourite amusing observations considering the acronym.

But the heart and soul of the linux experience for most people is exploring and experimenting. It's exciting being off the beaten path, and mistakes are the learning process :)

Which is why this:
If you use linux and think wine is an emulator, stop using linux right now, because you just sounds like a tard.

...is complete bollocks. ;)


No personal offense intended Infektion.

[LayZ]

If you use linux and think wine is an emulator, stop using linux right now, because you just sounds like a tard. Wine uses actual windows API in a nonwindows system, Emulator = virtualization. Emulators are slow. Like I said, if you use Linux, chances are you already have another environment using windows natively, so why is this even a thread? Powerusers stay in linux, and any unix environment shall remain as such. Windows = gaming, Unix-like = everything else.... except for M$ office apps :P They are crappy in OS X anyways, and FYI: OS X is technically dumb down linux/unix for the pretentious bourgeois moron.

Virtualization is not emulation. Sorry, just a pet peeve of mine.

Like CyclesMcHurtz says, there is no changing of code for the underlying hardware to understand, therefore a hypervisor does not emulate any code. WINE just provides the DLLs to Windows executables will run, a hypervisor runs between the OS and hardware and controlls what VM gets what resources on a host. Neither does any translation because its all x86 code.

[crux]

This might be stupid but I found this on twitter yesterday.

@iroll4
"@j_smedley Blizzard and Valve flagships support OpenGL and thus alternatives to Win8; why not SOE? Thanks, and looking forward to PS2!! "

@J_smedley -(SOE president)
"@iroll4 stay tuned ;)"

I might be out on deep water, but this exchange could be a hint at support of linux.
It could also just be wishful thinking from me.

[Goku]

I think we would see this game on the PS4 before linux personally...

[Tatwi]

I will be actively pusuing this with Xubuntu 12.04 64bit. Smed mentioned that they will have a MacOS client down the road, so I'll either get the Windows client to work in Linux or the Mac client to work in FreeBSD. Or both. :)

[NumbaOneStunna]

This might be stupid but I found this on twitter yesterday.

@iroll4
"@j_smedley Blizzard and Valve flagships support OpenGL and thus alternatives to Win8; why not SOE? Thanks, and looking forward to PS2!! "

@J_smedley -(SOE president)
"@iroll4 stay tuned ;)"

I might be out on deep water, but this exchange could be a hint at support of linux.
It could also just be wishful thinking from me.

Yeah, the Alternative to Windows 8 is Windows 7.

[Ait'al]

The alternative to windows are screens! I would think the possibility of creating options would be enough for everyone. It's not like if they do a linux distro they can't get help keeping it up on the linux end. Might compensate for itself. This is a F2P game afterall. Embrace the advantages! 8p Might lead to things you wouldn't think it would.

Edit: Other alternative is metal bars also!! 8o

[KimJongLulz]

Well im kinda concerned about service pack if anything..

I can't get Windows Vista to update to SP2 for the life of me....done just about everything...but it seems to be XP/Vista/7. Wonder if they have plans for 8 and mac.

[fb III IX ca IV]

Well, they are planning Mac support after launch, requiring them to support OpenGL, which can be reused for linux. It all comes down to enough Linux users stirring up a ruckus to make SOE think it is worthwile. In reality it is doubtful, as gamers who use linux still have a windows partition for gaming.