Subscription, One time payment, or both?

[Pollo Jack]

So there will be a membership service but they haven't decided on how it will be done or what it will provide.

I am not too concerned about what it provides, if it is a good game I will give them money so lets skip to the payment.

Personally I would prefer a one time membership fee similar to the LoL setup. You pay and receive a small bundle of exclusive skins, station cash, maybe some basic sidegrades, and possibly a higher resource cap since they are planning on implementing it.

I don't think a subscription that gives an XP/Res boost should be encouraged.

[Ertwin]

I like one time payment options like Cryptic's lifetime subs.

[headcrab13]

I like one time payment options like Cryptic's lifetime subs.

I voted "subscription" because that is my preferred method of payment, but the game already supports both. Essentially you can make a one-time payment by just buying up all your favorite items on the cash shop and then playing for free.

[Knocky]

So there will be a membership service but they haven't decided on how it will be done or what it will provide.


Which is why one cannot make an honest selection in this poll yet.

When they announce what the base subscription will give per month AND we find out what customizations cost, THEN we can make a meaningful vote.

[Tamas]

Which is why one cannot make an honest selection in this poll yet.

When they announce what the base subscription will give per month AND we find out what customizations cost, THEN we can make a meaningful vote.

They said that a sub will allow you to accumulate resources when you log off. That's all I know atm, but I would expect and increased rate of resource gain when actively playing as well - similar to WoT Premium account.

[Fenrod]

Voted ''one time payment'', but we don't know the system enough to make a decision, IMO.

[bigcracker]

I hope the do a sub but add like a year or life time sub :D

[DOUBLEXBAUGH]

They said that a sub will allow you to accumulate resources when you log off.

This is not conformed yet. They said it was 1 of the options they were thinking about, but nothing is final atm.

[Sledgecrushr]

They need a combination of payment options. I will buy a subscription if its available and that should be a premium membership. But other folks might want to go ala cart.

[Lokster]

Which is why one cannot make an honest selection in this poll yet.

When they announce what the base subscription will give per month AND we find out what customizations cost, THEN we can make a meaningful vote.

What he said ...

[Zenben]

I DON'T CARE JUST TAKE MY MONEY!

[Kipper]

I hope for the WoT model - play for free when you're short on time and can just put in a bit of time here and there (and to keep you interested) and then the option to buy premium time for when you know you will get the full value out of it, in blocks of a couple days/weekend right up to a month or year.

I wouldn't still play WoT at all if it was a fixed monthy sub, but because I can play for free for the occasional battle they keep me interested and will still get money from me from time to time.

[MyMeatStick]

I would pay for a lifetime subscription if it meant stacking rewards for Station cash, extra resource pools and an exclusive in game PINK LAZOR SIDEGRADE.

[Tamas]

This is not conformed yet. They said it was 1 of the options they were thinking about, but nothing is final atm.

Yeah, while it's only on their list, it's the only thing we now that's on it. The scroll of gold they call it. I wish to take a glimpse at it :P

[Fenrod]

Yeah, while it's only on their list, it's the only thing we now that's on it. The scroll of gold they call it. I wish to take a glimpse at it :P

Wow. Bad, BAD idea.

http://hapshack.com/images/LOM7m.png

[Purple]

i would pay around $100 for a lifetime sub. then i would also buy skins and other things.

[Furret]

I'd like both; A subscription for constant things like 'ability to run an outfit', 'higher levels of advancement', 'class training while offline', etc.

But I'd also want to have one-time payment options for things like outfit emblems, character customization options.

There are perks that shouldn't be bought with one time payments because they're recurring, and the value diminishes if you don't play as much.
By the same token, paying a subscription in silly for an item that you only use once.

[Fenrod]

A subscription for constant things like 'ability to run an outfit

What if you stop your sub ? Your outfit will disband ?

In my opinion, they should ask for a small fee in order to grant you a premium account, which could give you all those benefits you listed ( outfit, class traning offl., etc. ).

Then, it would be all up to you if you wanted to pay other fees to get cosmetic features.

[Lorgarn]

While I can't say what type of model I'd prefer PS2 to have, I can still say what I think could work.

One time payment + cosmetic/customization shop.

SOE seems to have settled with the F2P-model anyways and I'm honestly totally fine with that too. Hopefully, just like they are hoping too I guess, this means the game will have a large, if not very large, playerbase. For a game like PS2 this is a necessity.

F2P obviously brings with it certain amount of issues and problems SOE needs to confront and tackle, but this is not the time nor place to discuss them!

[SniperSteve]

I spend like 500$ in PS1 Sub, so $100 sounds like a bargain if I were also to sub in PS2.

[Noivad]

I'll pay $15 usd each month for a premium account. Thats 180 USD x 2 one for wife. $360 usd a year.
discounted for 3, 6 and 12 months would be nice.

Outfit Leader Wise, I'll pay a one time fee to customise my outfit look so no other outfit has it. Talking about Uniforms and Vehicles.

I would even pay if I could have a Custom Logo for my outfit designed by me or a member to put on uniforms and equipment..

I would pay to change the logo or the look if I wanted to change it.

I would pay a one time fee for a Status board that I could customize for my Outfit to use with a simple interface that would allow me to pick and choose the API for Stats.

I would pay for a System like eve online that allowed me as OL to give customized medals to indivuals in my outfit.

I small 1 time fee to have a Duty roster - MTOE - Major Table Organization Equipment,
that I could slot indivuals into specfic roles I deem necessary for my outfit.

I would pay for a specfic weapon design unit issued to my units.

Since I will most likely have two accounts, my wife always has my back even in RL, she is devasting with a Glock ;).

I would expect she would pay, with my money ;) for custumazation of Avatars. if that will be avail in more debt then just changing the color of a uniform - I liked what Sony did with DCUO -

I would pay a casual low fee somewhere between 3 and 6 usd for specialized customized side grades and upgrades.

I do not support buying XP or XP boosts. People who do not play often should not expect to get more experience without playing the game. Makes those of us who do play longer hours feel cheated. An example with that is when I started playing eve online all skill points were earned - not given for free. You had a feeling of accomplishment. When eve started giving new players skill books and skill points it was as if all the ones who started with nothing had wasted their time. When you give away XP for cash its degrading to the people who did it the hard wat . World of Tanks has a name for them.
We call them Wallet Warriors.

A casual payment system for the part time player would do as well.

you could probally charge for name, and stat changes, but I would like to see an incdicator of how many times a person does it.

I would expect that purchases for my outfit would be perm, not temp. :evil:

[Pollo Jack]

I'd like both; A subscription for constant things like 'ability to run an outfit', 'higher levels of advancement', 'class training while offline', etc.

But I'd also want to have one-time payment options for things like outfit emblems, character customization options.

There are perks that shouldn't be bought with one time payments because they're recurring, and the value diminishes if you don't play as much.
By the same token, paying a subscription in silly for an item that you only use once.

So you want to bring back Planet Side Reserves? Can't really market the demo version as F2P.

And Novaid, itsn't that a bit much on things to pay for? I think emblems are fine and all, but paying for a new one every time. Tossing in custom made logos with logos that no one else can use it a little hard to enforce. What is to keep someone from changing a color, adding a few pixels, or putting another empires initials on top?

I would also suggest straying from pay to organize. Teamwork is a much larger advantage than anything else in a game like Planet Side.

[Tamas]

Wow. Bad, BAD idea.

http://hapshack.com/images/LOM7m.png

Was worth it.

[Daimond]

Even though we do not have really any info on what you get for a sub or what things we can buy or cost, I still Voted for Sub. Reason being is that if you want a onetime payment it’s already there as that’s what the shop if for.

There could be good perks or just all bad perks to being Sub though. But some of the things I think would be cool to get as a Sub for free would be...

- A large number of things or all stuff from cash shop you get to use while subbed and new stuff, and will continue to get if you stop subbed if available to you for a certain amount of time.
- Custom Logo's would be nice - for being a sub you can submit so many a month for review (as needs to be reviewed by someone to deem it appropriate or not, and if it’s not Identical to another) - But can also be in Cash shop at a larger cost then most things as you’re paying someone to review it :)
- Being able to create your own paint job on armor, guns, and such, be it for outfit or not. Following set color pallets though.

There are other things just can’t remember them right now.
But one thing I’m not a fan of is weather Subbed or have to pay in cash shop in the ability to gain XP, resources or such better then another person that decides to not pay in anyway.

[Destroyeron]

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[Crator]

Pretty sure they'll have a sub. Unless they don't plan on including PS2 in the SOE All-Access pass....

[Blackwolf]

I'll pay $15 usd each month for a premium account. Thats 180 USD x 2 one for wife. $360 usd a year.
discounted for 3, 6 and 12 months would be nice.

Outfit Leader Wise, I'll pay a one time fee to customise my outfit look so no other outfit has it. Talking about Uniforms and Vehicles.

I would even pay if I could have a Custom Logo for my outfit designed by me or a member to put on uniforms and equipment..

I would pay to change the logo or the look if I wanted to change it.

I would pay a one time fee for a Status board that I could customize for my Outfit to use with a simple interface that would allow me to pick and choose the API for Stats.

I would pay for a System like eve online that allowed me as OL to give customized medals to indivuals in my outfit.

I small 1 time fee to have a Duty roster - MTOE - Major Table Organization Equipment,
that I could slot indivuals into specfic roles I deem necessary for my outfit.

I would pay for a specfic weapon design unit issued to my units.

Since I will most likely have two accounts, my wife always has my back even in RL, she is devasting with a Glock ;).

I would expect she would pay, with my money ;) for custumazation of Avatars. if that will be avail in more debt then just changing the color of a uniform - I liked what Sony did with DCUO -

I would pay a casual low fee somewhere between 3 and 6 usd for specialized customized side grades and upgrades.

I do not support buying XP or XP boosts. People who do not play often should not expect to get more experience without playing the game. Makes those of us who do play longer hours feel cheated. An example with that is when I started playing eve online all skill points were earned - not given for free. You had a feeling of accomplishment. When eve started giving new players skill books and skill points it was as if all the ones who started with nothing had wasted their time. When you give away XP for cash its degrading to the people who did it the hard wat . World of Tanks has a name for them.
We call them Wallet Warriors.

A casual payment system for the part time player would do as well.

you could probally charge for name, and stat changes, but I would like to see an incdicator of how many times a person does it.

I would expect that purchases for my outfit would be perm, not temp. :evil:

Noivad for president of the world.

I think that a subscription should get you bits and pieces. For the sake of argument let's say that paying a sub of 15$ a month gets you x station cash (at a pennies to the dollar rate, not an amount equal to 15$) each month. It could also give you tokens that could be spent on things such as a character having OL abilities. These tokens would be permanently applied to individual characters.

Tokens could be used to purchase all of the above, but you might only get a set number per month you paid your subscription. Or just allow station cash to be used to purchase stuff, and the sub could just give you x amount of station cash similar to how CoH is set up. You had the ability to buy more points if you wanted to make purchases, but you always accumulated points just for paying a sub.

[SKYeXile]

i like the sub option,
but id pay for alot of things.

better netcode for my shots for one.
outfit custom logo
skins
unlocks


id expect from a sub:
More resources from offline and increased cert gain, with a larger resource storage.
priory in que's, into the world, content and vehicles.
more character slots
unlimited chat functionality.
faster grief decay and the ability to kill whatever free play users I like without penalty....

[cryosin]

I think there should be both.

Here's what i really don't like about current F2P games:

Rentals: These are cheap but they increase the cost of permanent ownership.

Expensive Weapons: If each weapon is $7-$15 then that is a bit high.


I also hope there's a bundle option. I would love to pay the price of a retail game($60?) and get most of the weapons/sidegrades unlocked at once.

Another thing the subscription could have is added cash. So if you where going to pay $15 at once, you should just pay for a subscription and get the same amount of added station cash.

[SteinB]

As an a Sony All-Access member I voted subscription.

$15 to $20 a month is a bargain with the number of hours most players spend in game(s).

Also, the bean counters at corporations like to see guaranteed long term income, so subscriptions will help the developers when they request funding for supporting/expanding the game.

Here endeth the commercial :p

[SteinB]

I think there should be both.

Here's what i really don't like about current F2P games:

Rentals: These are cheap but they increase the cost of permanent ownership.

Expensive Weapons: If each weapon is $7-$15 then that is a bit high.


I also hope there's a bundle option. I would love to pay the price of a retail game($60?) and get most of the weapons/sidegrades unlocked at once.

Another thing the subscription could have is added cash. So if you where going to pay $15 at once, you should just pay for a subscription and get the same amount of added station cash.

The All Access pass does give a certain amount of Station Cash each month.

[RadarX]

The All Access pass does give a certain amount of Station Cash each month.

As do recurring (not one time) memberships to our DC Universe Online MMO. There are honestly tons of options out there and we are looking at every one of them to ensure we have the best model we can to provide not only a reasonable cost, but value for your money.

We'll announce more down the road about the PS2 Marketplace.

[artifice]

I don't think any type of subscription should get anywhere near Planetside 2. It's like begging for the nightmare that is the payment model of Everquest 1 & 2. SOE does not have a good reputation when it comes to their tiered payment models. Of every f2p game in existance, SOE's are the worst.

[Tatwi]

Neither. Free to play removes the barrier to entry and it will ensure people will actually try the game. This game, unlike the plethora of themepark mmos, NEEDS a player population in order to even be a playable game. Free to get into and play will deliver on that.

Ban the exploiters, rather than punish everyone at the expense of the success of the game for what the exploiters *might* do...

[Goku]

EQ and EQ2 were paid models then transitioned to F2P with the hope of getting players to go P2P in my opinion due to the limitations in the game. PS2 is the first major PC game they are making that is pure F2P with a paying sub that more of a afterthought. Its the other way around this time, which is why I don't think there is going to be any issues.

[artifice]

EQ and EQ2 were paid models then transitioned to F2P with the hope of getting players to go P2P in my opinion due to the limitations in the game. PS2 is the first major PC game they are making that is pure F2P with a paying sub that more of a afterthought. Its the other way around this time, which is why I don't think there is going to be any issues.

We'll see. To me, it seems like EQ and EQ2 are simply a result of a company that doesn't trust the f2p to make money or a company that wants their cake and to eat it too. Other companies have transitioned their p2p games to f2p a lot more seamlessly.

[bjorntju1]

Voted for substciption. Thinking of getting resources when offline, faster skill training both on- and offline. A monthly allowance of station cash and maybe some exclusive customization options with only subscribers get.

[Pollo Jack]

Subscription is winning by a landslide.

I'm not familiar with subscription fees besides planetsides, 10-15 a month. How much do yall envision paying for a sub? Even at 10 bucks a month that's 120 a year, every year. How is this superior to a one time 30-60? What current subscription games are yall basing your votes off of and what price plans do they use since I am clearly behind the times.

[XPquant]

I said subscription, but I am sure that they will have all kinds of bundles/specials in the cash shop.

[GrapesOnDrapes]

When it comes to membership services, a subscription model is most likely the payment method they'll use.

[Mechzz]

Subscription is winning by a landslide.


The group of people being polled here is self-selecting and has a higher than average level of interest in, and attachment to, the game. Given that, I'm surprised it's only 40% for a sub only. Shows that the gaming community has grown used to the idea of having its pockets raided on a regular basis for top-ups to play a game.

I just hope SOE have the integrity to stick to the "no pay to win" policy through good times and bad - for there will be temptation on them to sell power.

My pref is sub only, I'll see how good the shop offering is (and how good/awful the standard models are) before deciding to spend in the shop.

[Stew]

Wow. Bad, BAD idea.

http://hapshack.com/images/LOM7m.png

This membership thing is a poor crap they should not act like this this will ruins the F2P systhem they should focus on bringing a lots of Skins and helmets and pattern and also !

Selling UPload LOGO slots could be cool as hell for a certain FEE they integrade everyones OWN logo into the game to put on ou tanks , aircraft etc.. as an Outfit or personal options !

but membership thats give extra ressource etc... will give a way to much advantage at those who pay so the game become thats way a PAY TO WIN at this point they should sell the game !

[artifice]

I get the eery feeling that you will be forced to pay a monthly fee to be able to go over an 'x amount' of resource restriction. I hope people realize what they are asking for when they say subscription.

[Toppopia]

I would think that if they did have an increase of your maximum resources, it would be a 1 off purchase, so like $10 to increase maximum by 150% or something, I think a 1 off payment would be better rather than a subscription to get membership benefits, because what if you have got the stuff you wanted and no longer want to pay? Do you lose all your customisation options or only some of them?

[artifice]

I would think that if they did have an increase of your maximum resources, it would be a 1 off purchase, so like $10 to increase maximum by 150% or something, I think a 1 off payment would be better rather than a subscription to get membership benefits, because what if you have got the stuff you wanted and no longer want to pay? Do you lose all your customisation options or only some of them?

My experience with EQ1 and EQ2 says otherwise. The only way to get by the maximum platinum restriction is via a monthly fee.

Well, with EQ2, you lose access to all your Legendary items if you quit paying a monthly fee.

[Pollo Jack]

My experience with EQ1 and EQ2 says otherwise. The only way to get by the maximum platinum restriction is via a monthly fee.

Well, with EQ2, you lose access to all your Legendary items if you quit paying a monthly fee.

Alright, so why is it better to hit the max restriction only by monthly fee and why is it good to lose your items if you don't pay?

The poll wasn't asking what they might do but what do we want.

[artifice]

Alright, so why is it better to hit the max restriction only by monthly fee and why is it good to lose your items if you don't pay?

The poll wasn't asking what they might do but what do we want.

Who said it was better or good?

If you are asking for a monthly fee, you are asking SOE to implement crap like their tiered system they put in EQ1 and EQ2. It's that simple. Never underestimate SOE's ability to screw over their player base.

[Goku]

Artifice you still do not get the idea I think. SOE isn't going to be doing a tiered system like in the EQ games where sub is first and F2P is last. In PS2 F2P is going to be first and the sub is secondary. Have you not seen posts by various devs here saying they still have no idea what the sub will do? That shows you right there that this game is going to be strictly F2P with a monthly sub with a few perks that people so desperately want.

[Noivad]

And Novaid, itsn't that a bit much on things to pay for?


Not for uniqueness -


I think emblems are fine and all, but paying for a new one every time. Tossing in custom made logos with logos that no one else can use it a little hard to enforce. What is to keep someone from changing a color, adding a few pixels, or putting another empires initials on top?



Images are intelectual property, so are company logos, If an image is not public domain, then it is unlawful for someone to use it. And My images would be very uniquie. Thats the point. That is customization.

I'm sure that SOE can do something like eve - online and make a standard customized logo element that can be chosen for different corps. But alliances in eve have one of the kind logos.



I would also suggest straying from pay to organize. Teamwork is a much larger advantage than anything else in a game like Planet Side.

Team work in this game is the reason I play Planetside. But i like organized game play by Outift, not just a bunch of people who get together for a one time battle.

But I would gladly support SOE with money, a fee to get additional tools that would make it easier for me as a OL to reward my outfit members, recongnize them amonst their peers, and Organize them in a way that the Military does it. thats what I'm willing to pay for if SOE does not put it into the F2P format.
:evil:

[Mister Morden]

i would like a one time payment because if it is complete f2p there will be too many idiots (would be ok as cannon fodder but with team dmg really annoying).

[mynameismud]

a one time payment option or a yearly payment option helps me out with my irresponsible budget life style at the moment, but ill try to my best to make due either way.

[Jikkan]

Why should there be anything more than the traditional F2P microtransaction model?

You are essentially arguing in favor of placing restrictions upon yourself and paying to remove them.

[Ironside]

subs depending what it offers