The "Loyalty" thing... [Archive] - PlanetSide Universe

Grognard

2012-04-27, 05:33 PM

Interesting...

I have been thinking about the loyalty aspect of this game... "__ for life!" We all see it... its in many sigs, its in the smack-talk, its in the polls... its all over the place... and I will not say a damn word bad about it... Why? Because I feel the same damn way... but I dont get it...

I rarely feel loyalty to a video game "faction", not really... Except for two... Vanu, and the Jade Falcons, and I will die a Jade Falcon... whatever that means... It seems really stupid to me, but I actually can get worked up about it... go figure... Probably those 14 books on JF characters that I read, twice.

This game does seem to produce a certain type of triple "raider nation" mentality... only not silver and black. However, the thing I like about it the most...

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...is the intensity it brings to the game... like a euro soccer game, where you can go down on the field and beat the shit outa everyone... Folks actually fight for their own in this game... and from some of the hate tells I have seen in screenshots, can get pretty sensitive about it, LOL. Which is cool, it shows they have heart, albeit raging... but the competitiveness in this game is fantastic.

Sooo looking forward to an epic game... and if you are not purple, I will kill you. :p

Hamma

2012-04-27, 05:34 PM

I think its a testament to the original designers of PlanetSide. They really came up with an awesome lineup of empires. There is something for everyone.

EVILPIG

2012-04-27, 06:08 PM

Shlomoshun

2012-04-27, 06:13 PM

pshhha, coming from a Devil Dog no less.. And everyone knows that Knowledge doesn't equal power....Technology equals might.

Captain1nsaneo

2012-04-27, 06:16 PM

It really is quite unique and I've not found it in another game. It seems like PS is the closest you can get to Band of Brothers with out actually going to war. Or mayhap a better comparison would be a sports bar dedicated to one specific team. The shared sense of purpose and foxhole logic really makes for a wonderful environment.

Grognard

2012-04-27, 07:30 PM

"Loyalty" = missing 2/3 of the game.

How? I have played, and will play, the other factions, but always come back to Vanu the most, where I actually feel a sense of loyalty, after having fought with them for so long... I dont feel like I have missed a thing.

You can love one empire, but if you don't play the others, you're really missing out. Aside from just the different experience each empire offers, they tend to have different communities and well, knowing how each empires equipment works first hand is the win. Knowledge is power - know thy enemy.

"Loyalty" = missing 2/3 of the game." I'm not sure why you feel this way.

1/3 ... have played VS (knowledge of faction, plus loyalty)
1/3 ... have played NC (knowledge of faction)
1/3 ... have played TR (knowledge of faction)

= 1, plus I still have loyalty to VS.

I realize this is what you also said, but I am trying to find the part where I said I havent...

Immigrant

2012-04-27, 07:38 PM

Grognard

2012-04-27, 07:47 PM

The feel of camaraderie I believe it will provide is what makes this game so unique and thus appealing to me... I don't care if I can't use all the weapons and all the vehicles.

I have definately noticed the high sense of camaraderie in this game also, moreso than others in my experience. Aside from that, a sense of faction-specific loyalty I havent seen in a long time...

Also I believe you will be able to play different Empires, just on different servers.

Definately something I will do too, but I will always come back to VS. There is just something about the faction itself that appeals to me more than the others, having played, and compared them all.

SgtMAD

2012-04-27, 07:59 PM

I'm loyal to the Outfit,the guys that log on every day for hours on end to hear me yell at them,they put up with that shit and I make sure they have fun playing the game.

that's pretty much all you need to have fun playing the game.

Xyntech

2012-04-27, 08:28 PM

I think most players dabble in all three empires a little bit on occasion.

The way you know you have empire loyalty is when you feel a little dirty when playing on another empire and shooting members of your main empire.

I don't know about everyone, but I get the sense that the game was able to foster a certain sense of antipathy towards enemy empires as well as loyalty for your own.

For me, NC were always the true enemy, while the TR were just more basic baddies to fight.

If I was playing as a TR, I wouldn't feel too bad about fighting VS, but if I was playing NC, I'd feel like complete shit every time I killed a VS.

I wonder if other players had this type of feeling much, and which empire it was that they hated the most.

That could be an interesting poll to go along with the "which empire will you play" poll:

"Which empire did you loathe/love to hate the most"

Malorn

2012-04-27, 08:32 PM

Loyalty is a TR tenet. The other two empires by their very existence failed at Loyalty.

FINALCUT

2012-04-27, 08:38 PM

Grognard

2012-04-27, 08:42 PM

IThe way you know you have empire loyalty is when you feel a little dirty when playing on another empire and shooting members of your main empire.
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If I was playing as a TR, I wouldn't feel too bad about fighting VS, but if I was playing NC, I'd feel like complete shit every time I killed a VS.

Agreed, and I felt it necessary to supress that, due to the feeling that I was not earning my paycheck... It was hard to kill GotR's... but I did it, and I think they would want me to if I was "in character" as the enemy... and of course they unknowingly beat my ass for it, so it got easier, lol...

I don't know about everyone, but I get the sense that the game was able to foster a certain sense of antipathy towards enemy empires as well as loyalty for your own.

Definately, my daughter really disliked terrans...

Grognard

2012-04-27, 08:44 PM

Loyalty is a TR tenet. The other two empires by their very existence failed at Loyalty.

... an infusion of lorealty, eh? :cool:

BuzzCutPsycho

2012-04-27, 09:04 PM

I don't know... I like playing TR... the lore... the style... the weapons... it just really interests me...

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Tradition plays a big role in my playing TR... but... in the end... my loyalty... is to... my outfit...

NCLynx

2012-04-27, 09:53 PM

Tradition plays a big role in my playing TR... but... in the end... my loyalty... is to... my outfit...

This. (Except NC in my case)

I'll always very likely play NC the most, but if my outfit were to want to change it up and have some fun on a different empire for a night then that's what's going to happen.

Grognard

2012-04-27, 10:04 PM

Eyeklops

2012-04-28, 01:26 AM

What's this "loyalty" thing you speak of?

After taking a base along side my Vanu brethren I paint my naked body purple, my junk teal, and then run through the streets screaming "Technology equals might!!." After playing NC/TR for five minutes I have to wash my eyes with bleach, my mouth with gasoline, and scrub my hands with broken glass. Then I go sob in a corner because I still feel "dirty" for helping the enemy.

I have gotten in more than a few fist fights at work over my co-workers calling Barney "annoying."

My wife gets totally pissed because I stare at any chick in purple that walks by. She also wasn't really happy with me when I slipped teal coloring into her blond hair dye.

I Tk'ed Espryon multiple times for the good of the Sovereignty.

The only gum allowed in my house is grape Bubble Yum.

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Hermes

2012-04-28, 07:09 AM

One of the amazing achievements that PS1 pulled off.

I think it's the gameplay experience that re-enforces the tribalism. The whole thing is so grand and epic - it's a persistent world that isn't sold to you through reams of dialog boxes and floating question marks.

You really feel like a cog in the war machine. And through the war stories we are all compelled to tell that spills over into the forums and internet.

ringring

2012-04-28, 07:33 AM

I think a lot of it comes from the great description of the Empires. Awesome writing and a lot of thought went into how the factions feel about their role in Auraxis's future. I love NC because they are the most in line with how I feel about things in real life. They fit me and my outlook on the World perfect and I believe it's like that with most players.

Personally I don't think so.

I never took the backstory seriously and I'm not sure whether I read it.

The loyalty thing is about colleagues. You outfit, the outfits and people you squad with. The people on command chat you know you can rely upon and who will provide good advice.

It's also about the enemies. You get to know the names on the opposing side and when you're in deep sh*t or not. :)

biertrappist

2012-04-28, 09:42 AM

"Loyalty" = missing 2/3 of the game. You can love one empire, but if you don't play the others, you're really missing out. Aside from just the different experience each empire offers, they tend to have different communities and well, knowing how each empires equipment works first hand is the win. Knowledge is power - know thy enemy.

When I read up on PS1 before I joined the NC were supposed to be the freedom fighter types, a collection of individuals who were more fair minded. The VS I thought would of been a bit faggy with the purple, younger sci-fi kids etc. Yet on Werner, the NC were very similar to what one imagined the TR to be, aggressive, chips on their shoulders, they expected, felt they deserved to have massive overwhelming force. I found that attitude amongst several outfits. Yet the VS who I ended up playing and always enjoyed, had more fun loving types, far more individuals as people, were quite robust. It really struck me how varied the types of player factions became and not always what one expected.

Ruffdog

2012-04-28, 03:45 PM

What surprised me 6 years ago was how strongly I was pulled towards the empire I ended up in and quickly considered it my loyalty faction. My profession is analytical chemistry, so given the science background, I thought sovereignty naturally. But one evening I was giving the reds a go on Werner and struck up amazing friendships very quickly. One hour became five and a half. I had my first outfit invite. A couple of nights turned into a couple of weeks and then years lol.
I really can't shoot terrans at this point. No game's made me feel like that before or since.

Garem

2012-04-29, 03:53 PM

Loyalty is a TR tenet. The other two empires by their very existence failed at Loyalty.

Spot fuckin' on, mate.

http://www.ronniejohns.com/chopperpic.jpg

NC and VS, I've just got one thing to say.

HARDEN THE FUCK UP!

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Jokes aside, it's a bit of flawed logic to assume that by not playing one faction or another that you've lost some part of the experience. Being so involved as to be fanatical about one is a immersive and wonderful experience in its own right that few other games can offer- but many can offer laser beams, heavy-hitters, or chainguns (or other factional differences). The player has the power to do whatever he wants- join one faction or three (on three different servers).

Fenrys

2012-04-29, 06:02 PM

The way you know you have empire loyalty is when you feel a little dirty when playing on another empire and shooting members of your main empire.

Exactly. After years of shared purpose with your team, you might feel a little guilty working against them.

Brusi

2012-04-29, 11:38 PM

I still feel dirty when i end up playing counter-terrorists in CS...

Graywolves

2012-04-30, 03:54 PM

In 40k Space Marine I made my armor red and black.

In last GW2 beta weekend I made my armor red, black, and grey.

In all my years of Planetside I have ALWAYS been in Dark Skyes since the moment I logged in.

-edit- I have played on the other empires, mostly for better knowledge on their equipment or to switch things up. I could never play normally against the TR on the same server.

SniperSteve

2012-04-30, 04:25 PM

I have played the other empires. NC on my first 7 day trial account, then VS on my first few months of sub, then TR for the remaining like 8 years.

Whenever I play another empire I feel as if I am cheating on _MY_ empire, the TR.

I will never play another empire seriously. If I do play as NC or VS, I have this urge to TK everyone and grief like crazy. Needless to say, I avoid playing on any empire besides TR.

Rbstr

2012-04-30, 07:52 PM

I'm not loyal to crap, except I want to play on the side my video gaming buds are and weapons that fit my style.

That's either NC or VS.

Lokster

2012-04-30, 08:04 PM

As with the OP, I too am absolutely confused at WHY I am 100% loyal to the TR. I have not played PS1 seriously (as in a day to day function) for probably 5 years, yet, I still consider myself TR to the core.

I would never consider joining another faction for anything other than to learn their weapons and gameplay mechanics -- so as to be able to more efficiently kill them.

If I were to join the NC as a long term player I would not be able to live with myself. I would feel as If I was an American Soldier who joined the North Korean Army ...

I have never felt this "loyalty" in any other game I have played ... EVER. I doubt I will ever feel it again.

So I will say with pride ... "TR for LIFE!".

I would also like to add, that if my best friend started playing PS2 and he joined the VS or NC - I simply would not play PS2 with him. That's loyalty... ;)

Dullard

2012-04-30, 09:09 PM

When I've played a TR or NC character I've always felt dirty. /shiver

VS for life!

NCLynx

2012-04-30, 09:14 PM

Loyalty is a TR tenet. The other two empires by their very existence failed at Loyalty.

Says the guy who wasn't even initially TR =P

Graywolves

2012-04-30, 09:42 PM

Says the guy who wasn't even initially TR =P

We are all TR.

There are just those citizens who do not follow the laws.

Robotix

2012-04-30, 10:27 PM

Says the guy who wasn't even initially TR =P

Malorn merely lost his way for a time.

All wayward soldiers find their way back home, one way or another.

Red Beard

2012-04-30, 11:26 PM

I like NC so much I've never even TRIED anything else! :rofl:

Atheosim

2012-05-01, 12:28 AM

I like NC so much I've never even TRIED anything else! :rofl:

I think it's weird how blatantly conservatives show their face in regard to their empire choice and their fanaticism towards it.

cellinaire

2012-05-01, 12:42 AM

Yeah I also think things like it is what sets PS apart. I loved it in original PS and looking forward to it again ;)

Vanu 4 Eva!!

Red Beard

2012-05-01, 12:56 AM

I think it's weird how blatantly conservatives show their face in regard to their empire choice and their fanaticism towards it.

Exactly what did I do to you to warrant that venom?

Not to mention, I just finished poking fun at George Bush in the other thread, lol

Toppopia

2012-05-01, 01:11 AM

Grognard

2012-05-01, 01:32 AM

I actually wonder how many people like their empire based on its ideologies or its gameplay, i think i will play as TR (because i never played Planetside 1) because its ideologies sort of fit with me, and rapid fire means that i can suppress targets for my team to get into position, which in other games doesn't work so i hope it works in this game.

When I first started PS, I played each side, trying to see what I liked about them. One of the things that impressed me the most, was the sounds all around me when I played VS... There were things about all empires I liked, still do. However, when I play VS I love the way things sound... lancers everywhere, pulsars, mags, lashers...

Though I will give the nod to the one favorite sound of all, that always made me feel confident that we were not going to get steam rolled: The Starfire, damn I love that thing... Sometimes I like to pull up old youtubes and just listen to lancers and starfires... Some may hear a cacophony, I hear a symphony.

Planetside Gameplay 2 - YouTube

Captain1nsaneo

2012-05-01, 02:45 AM

I have to agree, the lancer's noise is something that you just come to love about the weapon. Now that I think about it, that it's easy to tell what weapon is firing or which vehicle is nearby due to engine noise is a fantastic part of the game.

EightEightEight

2012-05-01, 04:02 AM

I like NC so much I've never even TRIED anything else! :rofl:

If you like NC so much how come you have TR Goggles in your sig hmmm?

Red Beard

2012-05-01, 07:18 AM

If you like NC so much how come you have TR Goggles in your sig hmmm?

Cuz I'm a pilot with a taste for good art! ;)

Marinealver

2012-05-01, 07:24 AM

Me personally I think it is more of a play style, you will have "loyal players" or those who may be more on the role play side, and you will always have mercenaries. Those that fight for anyone and everyone. Granted fighting as a TR is deffrent thant fighting as a NC just like fighting VS is diffrent thatn fighting TR.

I would like to see a system that allows people to switch empires with their charachter but also have some rewards for the loyality aspect, but in the end it makes it the player's choice on how he wants to play.

Marinealver

2012-05-01, 07:30 AM

When I first started PS, I played each side, trying to see what I liked about them. One of the things that impressed me the most, was the sounds all around me when I played VS... There were things about all empires I liked, still do. However, when I play VS I love the way things sound... lancers everywhere, pulsars, mags, lashers...

Though I will give the nod to the one favorite sound of all, that always made me feel confident that we were not going to get steam rolled: The Starfire, damn I love that thing... Sometimes I like to pull up old youtubes and just listen to lancers and starfires... Some may hear a cacophony, I hear a symphony.

Planetside Gameplay 2 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KV0Kg2zqLVc&feature=relmfu)

Yeah I remember the sounds, the rattle of MCG lets you know exactly the TR is attacking in force. The NC with the Jackhammer and Guas Rifles makes it a distinctive sound from the TR.

Katanauk

2012-05-01, 09:50 AM

I don't agree, you're not missing anything. The feel of camaraderie I believe it will provide is what makes this game so unique and thus appealing to me... I don't care if I can't use all the weapons and all the vehicles. Also I believe you will be able to play different Empires, just on different servers.

Yeah, I basically don't talk to anyone in the majority of games I play, except this. Always on Ventrilo, or on Teamspeak, if I absolutely had to. But I hated Teamspeak.

My mates from school, who I haven't spoken to in a few years now, well, we've suddenly started speaking again . . . in the midst of the rebirth of Planetside.

I think part of that is the development of this whole world where you genuinely feel for your faction. A true testament to the devs for creating this in a video game, so many try and so few succeed.