MAXs and Meele

[Marinealver]

Just thinking about game mechanics though I do know that Planetside is a FPS so hand to hand is more of a side form then an acutal game changer. (we definatly dont want a sword rush like halo 2) But just something for a MAX to avoid that cheap lone gunman who would circle jerk the max running around and shooting it point blank in the back. Mabey say a bash attack or mabey even a knock back.

Heck had one idea for animations the VS just dose a simple 3 strike slash attack. No specia stuns or anything just quick and imple. The NC would do a slower 3 strikes with the last one being a knockback/down or stun attack. The TR would instead pick up a poor softy slam him on the ground 3 times (or just bash the ground 3 times sending a point blank shockwave if no one was grabbed.) then throw the poor guy a few yards away.

[Purple]

ok you have got to eather git rid of that sig or give us an explanation cause it sucks up anything you say.

[Knocky]

ok you have got to eather git rid of that sig or give us an explanation cause it sucks up anything you say.

He runs, he dies....he goes to Vanu heaven.

[Figment]

How about it's a good thing a MAX can be killed in the back?

[Ruffdog]

MAX + no support = dead MAX

[Gonefshn]

No melee besides knives please

[Stardouser]

Vanu MAX =energy sword arm, TR/NC = slashing arm attachment.

Wouldn't mind seeing MAXes carry a shield in their left hand that supplements their defensive capabilities, as well. Good for blocking doorways!

[Marinealver]

ok you have got to eather git rid of that sig or give us an explanation cause it sucks up anything you say.

The picture is just a gif I made out of some screenshots. (Lost them after my laptop got stolen) I know it is crappy because I used it for my Avattar and also transforming JPEG to GIF didn't really do much for graphics, but hey I made it and no one els has a gif like it so I'll keep it.

The quote saying is sort of a gag I type when in the gunner seat of a Galaxy. I am basicly paraphrasing a quote from "Full Metal Jacket" said by the Side gunner of a Helo. I just replace V.C. with N.C. and the parenthies "()" are something I added that was not in the movie basicly saying that the TR is more orginized and the NC are a bunch of loosly scattered rabbles, just to try and tie in with the fiction though I know that is fiction and not true.

[Marinealver]

How about it's a good thing a MAX can be killed in the back?

Agreed but I want to see it get shot in the back with a Decimator or a boomer, not someone running or jetpacking in behind and circile around with a machine gun or submachine gun.

I hate circle jerk fights of simply running arpund an enemy at point blank. It looks retarded. Atleast with say a meele strike it could end it faster or break up the dizzy spinfest.

[Sledgecrushr]

I wouldnt mind even something as simple as a steel spike so I can gig anyone who gets too close to me.

[IMMentat]

MAX + no support = dead MAX
This. MaX suits are mobile firebases, if you get in front of one expect death, if you get behind one expect his friends to object.

We know little about mele yet but there is a knife on every trooper (bottom left of the equipment screens), from the TB vid we can assume its a quick-knife button but as he failed to find the button we dont know if its tied to an animation or not. Locational knife damage was mentioned elsewhere.
Twitter Dev Chat 9/16:
Question: Melee for maxes?
TRay: Yes

[Blackwolf]

Just thinking about game mechanics though I do know that Planetside is a FPS so hand to hand is more of a side form then an acutal game changer. (we definatly dont want a sword rush like halo 2) But just something for a MAX to avoid that cheap lone gunman who would circle jerk the max running around and shooting it point blank in the back. Mabey say a bash attack or mabey even a knock back.

Heck had one idea for animations the VS just dose a simple 3 strike slash attack. No specia stuns or anything just quick and imple. The NC would do a slower 3 strikes with the last one being a knockback/down or stun attack. The TR would instead pick up a poor softy slam him on the ground 3 times (or just bash the ground 3 times sending a point blank shockwave if no one was grabbed.) then throw the poor guy a few yards away.

No, because MAX suits do need peripheral weakness as well as weaponry weakness. What you call "circle jerking" some of us call viable tactics. We take advantage of your immobility and blind spot, something that can't be taken advantage if you were a grunt.

ok you have got to eather git rid of that sig or give us an explanation cause it sucks up anything you say.

One scene is him getting imprinted for BFR use, another is him running either an LLU or an advanced tech upgrade, and one is him being shot at by what appears to be a TR DC anchored down from on top of a hill.

[Bags]

I stopped reading at stuns.

I think this is a terrible idea, let us please keep PS2 a shooter and not an RPG with stunlocks and the like.

[Gonefshn]

I stopped reading at stuns.

I think this is a terrible idea, let us please keep PS2 a shooter and not an RPG with stunlocks and the like.

Thank you.

If they get that close to you when your a MAX you failed already. a MAX is supposed to have the best damage output it's practically a small mech so shoot them first ask questions later. Not to mention with a higher TTK honestly melee wont be needed and rest assured the TTK will be faster than PS1.

[Ohaunlaim]

Wasn't MAX melee attacks already confirmed like 6 months ago or somesuch? Or has my memory failed me again (or is this the first time? I cant remember.)

[Brusi]

Wasn't MAX melee attacks already confirmed like 6 months ago or somesuch? Or has my memory failed me again (or is this the first time? I cant remember.)

Last news said they wouldnot have max melee at launch. Too difficult to implement and balance i expect.

I still like the idea of being able to customise your max with at least 1 melee weapon, perhaps even an assault/riot shield too. Mainly cause it's just fucken cool, but Balancing could definitely be tricky. How do you make trading a gun for a melee weapon worth while, without making it OP.

If PS2 MAX units are as slow as in Planetside melee attacks would have to be pretty powerful, as closing for melee will only work with autorun and enemies will be able to take them down by simply stepping back outta melee range.

Can you now imagine 10 or 20 melee MAX units hotdropping into an enemy held position and taking out like fucking everything?

oh god... this is only making me want it more!

[SGTalon]

I can see a need for some kind of melee attack ability in the MAX. Something as simple as a push back with low damage would be effective.. and realistic.

Ever see a guy get hit by a robot? I have in a car plant. He got thrown into the wall when the robot he was training did something he wasn't expecting. It was rather startling for sure.

I think the OP has a good point. The whole Console Style body slam thing is definitely not what we want of course but a quick uppercut or torso twist attack might be worth having.

[Baneblade]

Vanu MAX =energy sword arm, TR/NC = slashing arm attachment.

Wouldn't mind seeing MAXes carry a shield in their left hand that supplements their defensive capabilities, as well. Good for blocking doorways!

I've long thought MAXes should be more like Terminators in W40K.

[captainkapautz]

I've long thought MAXes should be more like Terminators in W40K.

It's all about the Storm Shields and Thunderhammers, yo.

And the Assaultcannon.

[Baneblade]

And the short range teleporter ;)

[KrackerJacked]

I've long thought MAXes should be more like Terminators in W40K.

^. I never played PS1 and I was imagining MAXes to be terminator like.

[IMMentat]

Closer to Robocop. Walking target but with an impressive gun.
No ability to self-repair, dodge or turn quickly.

[ProfessorCrow]

Definitely looking forward to MAX Melee. Was never much a PS1 Max user but I'm definitely going to give it a shot this time around. I know pretty much everyone hated this movie but I loved the badass, oversized knives and bayonets the mech suits had in Avatar.

http://www.pandorapedia.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/508x284/amp_knife_1.jpg


-CroW

[Toppopia]

Definitely looking forward to MAX Melee. Was never much a PS1 Max user but I'm definitely going to give it a shot this time around. I know pretty much everyone hated this movie but I loved the badass, oversized knives and bayonets the mech suits had in Avatar.

http://www.pandorapedia.com/sites/default/files/imagecache/508x284/amp_knife_1.jpg


-CroW

Wait a minute... People hate this movie?? (Not being sarcastic) I loved this movie, mostly the fight scenes, i could imagine this being an event every year, for maybe 1 week, we get attacked by random creatures native to the planet.

Would be awesome to see epic defenses of towers, bases etc.

[IMMentat]

I can imagine it now, "OH noes the wildlife is attacking" #reverses over it in a Magrider#
"Nevermind".

Event over.

[Toppopia]

i just came up with a quick design for an event that doesn't include wild animals, it involves elves... not just any elves... Santa's elves... and reindeer. And said elves and reindeer attacking bases and such on christmas.

http://www.planetside-universe.com/showthread.php?p=697971#post697971

[Sledgecrushr]

http://images1.wikia.nocookie.net/__cb20100913063957/warhammer40k/images/b/ba/Fullview_emperor-horus.jpg

Melee max is on the left.

[IHateMMOs]

I'm ok with the MAX just smacking people with his wrists. I don't want a sword, or a hammer, or a big purple dildo.

Than again the big purple dildo might work for a certain faction ;)

[MGP]

I don't want a "fully-reliable" melee attacks for MAXes, thou some "humiliation kill" technique would be cool. Not game-breaking, jsut there for coolness factor. Should be hard to implement, like "only from behind the target" or something like this, and have some awesome animation. I imagine a MAX grabbing some guy's neck, lifting him in the air with one arm, then *crack!* the neck goes pop. Would be awesome.

[PeteHMB]

I dunno...I think a melee-only MAX with no ranged attacks whatsoever could be a lot of fun. I'm trying to think of an example from another game and can't at the moment. The only problem is then you have a whole different set of animations and reactions and moves you'd have to put in, so I don't see it happening anytime soon, but it WOULD be fun to mix things up with. You'd likely lose any outdoor battles, but dominate anyone who wasn't prepared to take out armor indoors.

[IMMentat]

You don't only bring a knife to a gun (and AV) fight.
Just watch Zzulu for a few minutes to see why.

[Sledgecrushr]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-UR7WGRncFQc/T4yF09H4ImI/AAAAAAAAAdg/8vRvjiqpnhY/s1600/Black_templar_chaplain_by_LordHannu.jpg


If the Zulus were wearing max armor the british empire would have been in deep shit.

I would pay a hundred bucks to look similar to this ingame.

[Marinealver]

Yeah a 2+ armor save for Horus would definatly be a MAX.

Now I agree no MAX meele weapons. Again we don't want to make a HAL0 2 sword. However a simple meele smack for those that get too close is good enough.

And as for the aaddaaddaadddadadadadadad viable tactic, sure it works just like camping is a legitimate strategy, but that dosn't meen it still dosn't look retarded, and not just for maxs but for anything. The best thing to do in Planetside 1 (which I hate so much) was to surgile around someone with HA and after a few ring around the rosies the guy dies.

I mean when in real life is it a good idea to run around your enemy who has a gun at point blank? Never, you will either take a bullet that would kill you or get stuck in a scuffle. That is the problem with all gun and no mele gameplay. When someone gets in point blank it shouldn't be a ring around the rosie for a few minuets till someone dies. It should be quick direct and a brutal and bloody afair. I think adding some meele improvments might help. Keep it a FPS. If they are not within arms reach, don't try and stab them SHOOT them!.

[Xyntech]

Give the MAXes a rocket pack, but it doesn't let them gain any vertical height, it can only be used to propel them horizontally.

Then give them a giant drill which they can use as a melee weapon while launching themselves towards their enemies.

We'll call this particular MAX variant, the 'Large Father'.

Nah, forget it. BF3 probably already did it.

[captainkapautz]

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-UR7WGRncFQc/T4yF09H4ImI/AAAAAAAAAdg/8vRvjiqpnhY/s1600/Black_templar_chaplain_by_LordHannu.jpg


If the Zulus were wearing max armor the british empire would have been in deep shit.

I would pay a hundred bucks to look similar to this ingame.

That's a Chaplain, not a Terminator.