End of the Super Soldier [Archive]

Vetto

2012-05-26, 03:29 PM

roguy

2012-05-26, 03:32 PM

Well I'm happy about, so that makes 2 people to get flamed (and it'll happen). =)

Bags

2012-05-26, 03:33 PM

That feel when people have convinced themselves that these "super soldiers" somehow require swarms of people to kill.

ringring

2012-05-26, 03:33 PM

I know I may get flamed for this, But anyone else happy will see the end of them?

The guy who basically can do it all, he can mow down lower battle rank players with a Anti-Inf Heavy weapons, Carry a Anti-Vehicle weapons, as well can heal/repair his armor basically making him fairly hard to root out of one spot outside of swarming him with troops.

Aye, but doesn't it take more than that to be a super-soldier? It also sounds like the new Heavy-Infantry.

Surely a super-soldier refers to being able to drive/pilot any vehicle he wants, afaik if you put in the time you will be able to do that in ps2.

So, I'm not particularly eager to see the end of people who can do it all, it's not a bug-bear of mine, I wouldn't be too sure that they will be gone.

proxykalevra

2012-05-26, 03:34 PM

i dunno i have been watching ps2 for a while now... maybe they limit the number of cert unlocks you can have but it doesn't feel like it... it feels more like with side grades etc everyone will be a super soldier able to pick the weapons that suit them/help them perform at their best

the utility lockout is the only thing i can think of they look to be locking out for players but i think it is still going to be obvious who the god soldiers were in ps1 because they will learn every part of their weapons and still wtf pwn people with their skill....

i plan to be above the getting pwned bar i dunno about you.

ringring

2012-05-26, 03:35 PM

That feel when people have convinced themselves that these "super soldiers" somehow require swarms of people to kill.

yea, the super soldiers require exactly the same amount of bullets it kill and non-super soldiers. Unless, of course <REDACTED>

Vetto

2012-05-26, 03:35 PM

That feel when people have convinced themselves that these "super soldiers" somehow require swarms of people to kill.

A BR6 is not going to easily clear out a guy who BR40 and is able to keep himself healed up Especially if it a NC with a JH at the very least it going to take ether another BR40 or some one built in the same setup to root one out by himself.

This is basically pointing out newer player have low chances against these guys.

Bags

2012-05-26, 03:36 PM

A BR6 is not going to easily clear out a guy who BR40 and is able to keep himself healed up Especially if it a NC with a JH at the very least it going to take ether another BR40 or some one built in the same setup to root one out by himself.

This is basically pointing out newer player have low chances against these guys.

You can't heal yourself mid combat, and you can only use one weapon at a time. Barring implants, in a 1v1 a level 6 is on equal footing as a br 40 in a gun fight.

This isn't WoW.

Or were you refering to black ops?

Vetto

2012-05-26, 03:38 PM

You can't heal yourself mid combat, and you can only use one weapon at a time. Barring implants, in a 1v1 a level 6 is on equal footing as a br 40 in a gun fight.

This isn't WoW.

Or were you refering to black ops?

Yes.. cause people are not smart enough to back out heal them self and come back out and attack.

But hey I was right I was going to get flamed.

p0intman

2012-05-26, 03:43 PM

You know nothing about 'super soldiers' ingame, clearly.

Vetto

2012-05-26, 03:45 PM

You know nothing about 'super soldiers' ingame, clearly.

Level 40BR who can do everything.

Yes I am aware of them, I was referring to a Ground fight.

Who would have thought this community be as hostiles as WoW.

p0intman

2012-05-26, 03:47 PM

Level 40BR who can do everything.

Yes I am aware of them, I was referring to a Ground fight.

Who would have thought this community be as hostiles as WoW.

So first off, it takes 300k a box to go from 39 to 40. ten boxes.. three MILLION bep. To give you some perspective, you can go 1-25 I'm pretty sure a couple times over for that BEP. A br25 can cert about half of the entire skill tree, effectively not counting combos. Some people have two accounts, and yeah, they do dual box.. and can do everything anyway. When you get to BR20, you can effectively do anything a BR40 can do if you specialize specifically for it and know how to handle each weapon and vehicle.

Now, its been a while but I'm pretty sure going from cr4-5 is only something like 500k cep.

We're not hostile, but we won't hold your hand and comfort you when a number of us have more knowledge about the topic than anyone who is new.

Bags

2012-05-26, 03:47 PM

Yes.. cause people are not smart enough to back out heal them self and come back out and attack.

But hey I was right I was going to get flamed.

It's not too often you can run off and heal and a gun fight, and it's not too often that lowbie is in a situation where someone wont heal/rep him.

Gonefshn

2012-05-26, 03:47 PM

This kind of thing isnt a problem when anyone can do it. In a firefight it makes little difference, its only after the dust settles these extra abilities matter

Gogita

2012-05-26, 03:47 PM

Level 40BR who can do everything.

Yes I am aware of them, I was referring to a Ground fight.

Who would have thought this community be as hostiles as WoW.

Could you have everything at the same time? No? Well, you're as easy to kill as any other player.

PeteHMB

2012-05-26, 03:55 PM

ringring

2012-05-26, 03:56 PM

Yes.. cause people are not smart enough to back out heal them self and come back out and attack.

But hey I was right I was going to get flamed.

If that's what you're concerned about
a new character br4 or so is able to cert rexo+HA ... it's only another 6 cert points to add medic+engy.

What's that ... br11 or so.

Hardly a super soldier.

Where you're correct is identifying what some have alled super soldiers, ie those who can do everything. The problem is the choice of example you gave whic derailed your point I think.

p0intman

2012-05-26, 03:57 PM

*sigh*

Ok...

1. Rank /=/ more hit points ala WoW. Everyone's still stuck at 100 health.

2. That person is only going to be in one place at one time doing one thing. Who cares if he can drive a tank, fly a reaver, AND cert a MAX suit...when he's sitting at the top of a stairwell with a shotgun? HERE AND NOW are the only things that matter. BR1 with a sweeper can kill a BR25 with a JH easily. It happen(s? ed?) all the time when I played PS1. Sure, maybe that BR25 can get to the next battle easier than the BR1 since he doesn't have to wait around for a ride. But other than that, the rank/versatility makes no difference whatsoever in 1 on 1 combat.

this, and for some sweet perspective, check these videos out.. supersoldiers? Yes. But not in the way you understand them. To make my point more clear, every single supersoldier as you call us, being in a group or not.. can be beaten just as easily as any other enemy. Hell, we laugh when we get our asses kicked most of the time. Shoot us hard enough and we go down just like any other.

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Baneblade

2012-05-26, 04:14 PM

ringring

2012-05-26, 04:22 PM

While battlefield versatility is fun in many circumstances, overall it has a negative effect on the game. If everyone has AV, then vehicles have to be balanced for that. If 1 in 20 has AV, then AV can be more powerful.
I take your general point but again a not the best example. Everyone had AV well before BR25.

Super soldier is surely,
being able to go full Rexo +
being able to hack everything +
being abloe to insert virus +
being able to revive +
being able to drive all vehices +
being able to pilot all aircraft.

BR20 could go full rexo plus have enough certs for a vehicle + 2 left over.
BR25 could do same with 5 left over (enough to add advanced hacking)

p0intman

2012-05-26, 04:24 PM

i wonder how many people don't get how much it doesnt matter. in enough time, everyone will be able to do everything at one point or another anyway. Its the very definition of splitting hairs. they really should just give us custom inventories and be done with it.

Atheosim

2012-05-26, 04:26 PM

I loved being that "super soldier" because I was especially fond of playing the shock trooper. Three or 4 agiles drop onto a tower and take them by surprise from the top. With that few people, every one of them needs to be self sufficient. If you're down because you need heals, it would kill the rest of the group for another to stop and heal you. That's half of your firepower gone because one person got shot.

Baneblade

2012-05-26, 04:30 PM

I take your general point but again a not the best example. Everyone had AV well before BR25.

Which is part of my point. Not enough specialization waters down the game.

With FREXO, one player could literally be a one man army without ever getting out of his REXO suit. Granted they wouldn't be able to to fly, but that was a minor inconvenience most of the time.

Bags

2012-05-26, 04:31 PM

One man army makes it sound like he could solo everything at once. Sure is sensationalism in here.

Atheosim

2012-05-26, 04:31 PM

I remember you from early days. Back then you had to make smart choices building your cert spec. You could go for versatility, but in the end you were always restricted to certain playstyles or 'roles' due to the fact that you couldn't get everything (and yet everything was needed in the bigger picture of battle).

This changed over time as SOE decided to try and keep people playing by increasing max level, and cheapening the cert cost of many items/vehicles. You could literally become effective in all area's. You could be an effective grunt with AV, have all tanks, aircraft, hacking, medic and advanced engineering and still have room for UNIMAX.

It took a lot of reliance on other people out of the game. It also took a lot of variety out of the game. People would just use whatever was most effective in the situation. Taking into account and remembering what kind of certs people used was also no longer necessary as more and more people had pretty much everything, so in a way it dumbed the game down too.

So while you can only use one thing at a time, it is necessary to have restrictions on the whole to keep loadouts/roles, customization and specialization meaningful at all.

It also restricts the ways you can play. If a fight moves indoors and you're speced to be solely a support pilot/driver, I guess you should just log off?

p0intman

2012-05-26, 04:32 PM

One man army makes it sound like he could solo everything at once. Sure is sensationalism in here.

A million times this. The only people who have the ability to talk about supersoldiers... are the supersoldiers themselves. Don't be saying things that aren't true that you don't know about.

Atheosim

2012-05-26, 04:32 PM

One man army makes it sound like he could solo everything at once. Sure is sensationalism in here.

+1. :doh:

DOUBLEXBAUGH

2012-05-26, 04:32 PM

I know I may get flamed for this, But anyone else happy will see the end of them?

The guy who basically can do it all, he can mow down lower battle rank players with a Anti-Inf Heavy weapons, Carry a Anti-Vehicle weapons, as well can heal/repair his armor basically making him fairly hard to root out of one spot outside of swarming him with troops.

Well in PS2 the Heavy Assault class can have an AV weapon with a MA weapon (with the faster TTKs MA/HA doesn't really look to matter that much), and everyone gets regenning shields. So, if there is medpacks and/or a regen implant again, YOUR definition of a super soldier exists in PS2.

p0intman

2012-05-26, 04:33 PM

Well in PS2 the Heavy Assault class can have an AV weapon with a MA weapon (with the faster TTKs MA/HA doesn't really look to matter that much), and everyone gets regenning shields. So, if there is medpacks and/or a regen implant again, YOUR definition of a super soldier exists in PS2.

I fucking love you double. INVITE ME TO TEAM TOWER GODFUCKINGDAMNIT.

Atheosim

2012-05-26, 04:35 PM

It wasn't that restrictive. You could still fight at all times, you just wouldn't have the most powerful weapon indoors, or you would be lacking something else that others did have (like MAX, adv hacking, or or combat medic). That's not quite the same as being completely superfluous.

But with nothing but a suppressor how could you expect to have fun against swarms of people with HA?

p0intman

2012-05-26, 04:36 PM

But with nothing but a suppressor how could you expect to have fun against swarms of people with HA?

... You clearly haven't seen a hundred people running around with suppressors. Its fucking scary, man.

Atheosim

2012-05-26, 04:40 PM

That was your own stupid fault then. If you didn't cert at least MA, you were wrong. Besides, the other team would always have just as many idiots who made the same choices.

Suppressor beat HA at distance btw.

Why should I give up a vehicle just so I can do something that I don't want to do in the first place?

PeteHMB

2012-05-26, 04:41 PM

That was your own stupid fault then. If you didn't cert at least MA, you were wrong. Besides, the other team would always have just as many idiots who made the same choices.

Suppressor beat HA at distance btw.

Repeaters beat HA at distance too :lol: there was ALWAYS a way to win, the problem is people tend to focus on "rock vs rock" instead of "rock paper scissors".

DxC

2012-05-26, 04:41 PM

Loved the suppressor may of been me but I used it quite a lot when sniping may of been as I could quickly steal a cycler / gauss but these "super solders" they still take sniper shots x2 just as much as another person who is playing they just have better kit to deal with the situation or the sence to not stand in the same spot looking where the shot came from

Atheosim

2012-05-26, 04:50 PM

Why should I keep replying to you if you keep asking dumb questions?

I'm pretty impressed how quickly this went from a civil discussion to you just flaming.

onwee

2012-05-26, 04:52 PM

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Pyreal

2012-05-26, 05:40 PM

A million times this. The only people who have the ability to talk about supersoldiers... are the supersoldiers themselves. Don't be saying things that aren't true that you don't know about.

lol
Might as well ask a politician about his vices.
No biased answers there. :rolleyes:

Graywolves

2012-05-26, 06:07 PM

I still expect myself to own everybody at all times.

sylphaen

2012-05-26, 06:20 PM

Someone could do fine indoors without HA. Medium assault with punisher & frag grenades was more than decent.

Why would you want to rush in first if you are not a MAX or HA/REXO ? Some rooms were also large enough to give MA an even playing field. Long corridors were also fine for medium assault weapons.

The problem was mostly when you needed to cross a door or take a corner...

SKYeXile

2012-05-26, 06:41 PM

This thread is just retarded, I'm not even going to make a proper comment.

Shut it down.

Toppopia

2012-05-26, 06:42 PM

Isn't it good that there is no more super soldier? One person should not beable to do everything, thats just silly.

Immigrant

2012-05-26, 06:50 PM

One person should not beable to do everything, thats just silly.
One person will be able to do everything actually (if he pursues the path of jack-of-all trades and plays for a long time to unlock everything) just not in the same spawn. That's the point of classes.

Toppopia

2012-05-26, 06:51 PM

One person will be able to do everything actually (if he pursues the path of jack-of-all trades and plays for a long time to unlock everything) just not in the same spawn. That's the point of classes.

Thats what i was meaning. They will have to change class.

Warborn

2012-05-26, 07:47 PM

This kind of thing isnt a problem when anyone can do it. In a firefight it makes little difference, its only after the dust settles these extra abilities matter

People would always take cover to heal/repair in Planetside during fights. You're totally wrong if you think it's only an after-the-fact benefit supersoldiers get. Hell, if you took away the ability of everyone to heal/repair themselves snipers alone would experience a massive boost in power. Recovering from taking a few hits during medium/long-range fights is a pretty hugely important part of being successful as infantry in Planetside.

Baneblade

2012-05-26, 09:24 PM

One man army makes it sound like he could solo everything at once. Sure is sensationalism in here.

Naw, the sensationalism is yours :)

Being a One Man Army means you can fill every role, but nice try on the spin.

A million times this. The only people who have the ability to talk about supersoldiers... are the supersoldiers themselves. Don't be saying things that aren't true that you don't know about.

So you shouldn't talk then. I remember you being a super squishy soldier.

+1. :doh:

;)

JHendy

2012-05-26, 09:26 PM

You know nothing about 'super soldiers' ingame, clearly.

Why do you feel the need to open all of your posts like this? :rofl:

From another thread I just saw you in:
You clearly don't get how planetside works.

Stop douche-ing around!

p0intman

2012-05-26, 09:28 PM

Naw, the sensationalism is yours :)

Being a One Man Army means you can fill every role, but nice try on the spin.

So you shouldn't talk then. I remember you being a super squishy soldier.

;)
the pointman is most likely to get shot on entry, if i recall

I serve my name's purpose.

Stop being a douche!

Lately, ive been seeing a lot of newguys around speaking as if they know things to be factual when in my experience, it isn't the case. If you think what I've said is meant to insult or demean you personally, I would apologize. That isn't really the case. If I ever do that intentionally, it means you've become a specific annoyance to me most probably ingame and that being nice to you isn't really one of my priorities.

I'm kind of tired of the sensationalist shit people have been spewing, and my tolerance for it is next to non-existent. So if I come off as an ass that seems to know better, its probably because I do and I'm not really willing to go along with people's groupthink attitudes to toss shit on aspects of PS1 that don't deserve it.

If that is your problem and why you perceive me as a douche, oh well.

JHendy

2012-05-26, 09:42 PM

the pointman is most likely to get shot on entry, if i recall

I serve my name's purpose.

Lately, ive been seeing a lot of newguys around speaking as if they know things to be factual when in my experience, it isn't the case. If you think what I've said is meant to insult or demean you personally, I would apologize. That isn't really the case. If I ever do that intentionally, it means you've become a specific annoyance to me most probably ingame and that being nice to you isn't really one of my priorities.

I'm kind of tired of the sensationalist shit people have been spewing, and my tolerance for it is next to non-existent. So if I come off as an ass that seems to know better, its probably because I do and I'm not really willing to go along with people's groupthink attitudes to toss shit on aspects of PS1 that don't deserve it.

If that is your problem and why you perceive me as a douche, oh well.

Thanks for the back story, but It's all irrelevant. It doesn't cost anything to treat people with a little civility.

Serpent

2012-05-26, 09:49 PM

Atheosim

2012-05-26, 09:52 PM

Super Soldiers in general are still easy to kill though (while easy means around as difficult as killing a regular soldier). It's just that they can do lots of different things. Their HP bar isn't as crazy as that.

And I am happy we won't be seeing any SS, I don't like that idea at all.

This is true and has been repeatedly reiterated throughout the thread.

On another note, everybody will have access to every weapon and every vehicle right from the start. That seems dangerously "one man army" to me...

The noob

2012-05-26, 09:54 PM

Super Soldiers in general are still easy to kill though (while easy means around as difficult as killing a regular soldier). It's just that they can do lots of different things. Their HP bar isn't as crazy as that.

And I am happy we won't be seeing any SS, I don't like that idea at all.

Yeah, I think Super Soldiers is a bit of a misnomer in regards to what people are actually meaning (generalists). The aim of the classes is likely to make it so that soldiers aren't running around with tools for nearly every situation on hand, alongside with making one more reliant on their team mates to perform things they can't (such as Heavy Assaults having to rely on medics)

Bags

2012-05-26, 09:54 PM

Naw, the sensationalism is yours :)

Being a One Man Army means you can fill every role, but nice try on the spin.

Which is exactly what you can do in PS2, so why exactly are we happy this is being "removed"?

Using that as the definition makes absolutely no sense given this thread's OP.

Blackwolf

2012-05-26, 09:58 PM

Yes.. cause people are not smart enough to back out heal them self and come back out and attack.

But hey I was right I was going to get flamed.

No one flamed you. Questioning your logic isn't a flame. And yes I played the so called "super soldier" load out of heal/repair/HA/AV. It's versatile, but by no means any deadlier then a BR 6 with HA.

Plasma Grenades were common pool, use 'em. Large splash (anyone who knows how to tell when they actually hit something or not without seeing what they hit knows how this is useful), deals DoT making it tougher to "back out and heal" which btw is a weak argument right there, and lights up cloakers like Christmas tree lights.

Serpent

2012-05-26, 09:59 PM

This is true and has been repeatedly reiterated throughout the thread.

On another note, everybody will have access to every weapon and every vehicle right from the start. That seems dangerously "one man army" to me...

Sorry, didn't realize I was spamming. I didn't read the whole thread, just wanted to back up my reasoning is all :)

The noob

2012-05-26, 10:00 PM

Which is exactly what you can do in PS2, so why exactly are we happy this is being "removed"?

Using that as the definition makes absolutely no sense given this thread's OP.

I think people are referring to the fact people could fulfill several roles while out running around on the field. With the class system, it seems their goal is to make people more specialized, you may have access to several roles, but can only fill one at a time.

Bags

2012-05-26, 10:04 PM

I think people are referring to the fact people could fulfill several roles while out running around on the field. With the class system, it seems their goal is to make people more specialized, you may have access to several roles, but can only fill one at a time.

HA can fulfill multiple roles this time a round, as they can carry AV, HA, possibly an ammo box (Re a tweet from higby a month or two ago).

Recon can fulfil multiple roles (Snipe, sabatour, hacking).

Medic can kill and heal and revive.

Engineer can build, repair, kill.

LA can kill, disorient.

According to alpha footage, all of these can also get in and drive a vehicle.

This is about how many roles you could do at the same time in the first game.

Serpent

2012-05-26, 10:07 PM

HA can fulfill multiple roles this time a round, as they can carry AV, HA, possibly an ammo box (Re a tweet from higby a month or two ago).

Recon can fulfil multiple roles (Snipe, sabatour, hacking).

Medic can kill and heal and revive.

Engineer can build, repair, kill.

LA can kill, disorient.

According to alpha footage, all of these can also get in and drive a vehicle.

This is about how many roles you could do at the same time in the first game.

Infiltrator can also use SMGs, so almost like a heavily armed spy. Search and destroy missions, except stealthily. (I LIKE!)

And MAX is MAX :P

There are much more specified roles now I think, and also it's a little like BF3 where to specifically get more unlocks for a class, you have to play that class a lot.

Bags

2012-05-26, 10:10 PM

Infiltrator can also use SMGs, so almost like a heavily armed spy. Search and destroy missions, except stealthily. (I LIKE!)

And MAX is MAX :P

There are much more specified roles now I think, and also it's a little like BF3 where to specifically get more unlocks for a class, you have to play that class a lot.

They aren't "much more specialized", they can all do maybe 1 - 2 things less.