Planetside 2 vs The Consoles

[Peacemaker]

I lurk these forums alot and I feel like posting tonight so first let me say, the Devs, are doing an awesome job, I love the community interaction. I loved EVE because of how active the Devs at CCP were with the community, but they seemed to do less and less of it the longer I played. Kinda just felt like the community was drifting apart from the Devs.

ANYWAYS... I'm wondering how much is PS2 and SOE attempting to attract console gamers. Most console gamers game mostly on consoles only, atleast in my circle of friends. They don't use PC's for gaming, they use laptops for Facebook. Lets face it though there is a VERY large market there.

If SOE wants to try to get these people that the best game to play on PC is going to be Planetside 2 I suggest advertisement into more main stream midea. I've read that PS2 can be played on your older computers, so getting people to realize that they can play an epic game on their PCs for FREE should be a big priority right?

Diablo III has television ads all the time, as does WoW. I occasionally go to movies and sometimes I see nice advertisements there. I know it would be expensive and it would mean the game would take longer to make aprofit, but the pay off could be huge. At the least some ads on YouTube. Ads in places other than gaming sites would help. Word of mouth is nice but it seems when I tell my friends about this game most of them just shrug it off because the game is on PC.

Maybe its because most of my friends don't use PCs much anymore, because we all have smart phones/ tablets to surf the web, and laptops to do work on. I hope PS2 can run on an average laptop (if you bought a mouse).

Sorry that was long and drawn out but I havn't posted in a while.

Edit: Damn it hamma, your sig bot ate the thong max sig.

[Nick]

PS2 coming to PS4. You heard it here first.

[Mechzz]

Welcome Peacemaker.

Here's the most recent statement I could find on this:

http://www.gamesindustry.biz/articles/2012-05-24-sony-onlines-planetside-2-can-it-grab-the-call-of-duty-audience

Q: This project is part of a renaissance at Sony Online Entertainment. With the shifting marketplace, is Planetside 2 still intended to be a PC-only product?

Matt Higby: For the game itself, we're focused primarily on PC.

[Zulthus]

Consoles can just go away forever.

[EightEightEight]

They don't use PC's for gaming, they use laptops for Facebook. Lets face it though there is a VERY large market there.

I play on consoles and the PC and from what I have encountered of the console only crowd, they can stay there and leave our PC games alone. I am so tired of game developers catering to the console group just to make a buck. When I see that I generally avoid those games. Games that are made purely for the PC turn out better IMHO. Plus our community is better.

[Ailos]

Getting connected to the internet used to be a big thing, but now even our wristwatches can do that. It used to be that everyone wanted to upgrade their computers to the latest Pentium (lol I know) so that they could do stuff faster.

Unfortunately, our technology has gotten so good that even the cheapest of today's computers can open facebook just as fast ad the most expensive one. Well, it doesn't really, but both are faster than we can perceive, so yeah. So now we've shifted our focus away from having something lightning fast to something that light enough for us to brag about our last night out at the club while at the crapper, or even posting said humble brag pictures moments after we took them.

Console gaming is successful for the same reason fewer people are interested in buying the most powerful hardware - most aren't conneseurs (sp?). The mediocre performance of a $600 laptop is so powerful compared to our normal human reactions that more expensive faster machines don't seem worth the extra price to them. The graphics on the current generation of consoles is good enough to satisfy most people (maybe because their eyesight is bad, or maybe its because 70% of people don't realize they naturally have 3d vision) that few feel the need to invest in the extra hardware to push game developers to show what is actually possible with the power of actual modern computers.

I play a lot of PC games, and have a lot friends that play the same games on consoles. I have made it a personal point to invite them over and set up their Xbox or PS3 alongside my PC screen and show the difference. And even my 2-year old mediocre machine absolutely dwarfs anything they'd ever seen on their consoles. Its a harsh reality that I've put before most of them - they got ripped off.

I don't know why, but the latest generation of gamers just doesn't seem to have that inspiration to push the technology, the immersion, and the details. They seem contempt with playing farm ville on their phones all day. But hopefully, PS2 will change that.

[MacXXcaM]

Imho: FPS games on consoles = epic fail

Everytime I see someone play a shooter on a console it just looks so crippled I don't understand how anyone would do that to himself. Of course console players would be heavily disadvantaged when playing together with PC players.

So the only sollution would be separate universes...

[Spark]

Eh, there's still a big market on PC. Diablo 3 outsold Uncharted 2's lifetime sales in less than a week, and doubled Gears of War 3's first week sales, and those are among the best of the best in console exclusives. All you need is exposure and hype. Blizzard had advertisements, billboards and easy access beta's. If SOE doesn't skimp on that exposure and remembers to open up the beta for a bit they can get millions of gamers.

Also, they can't forget Russia and China, F2P games shine in those countries (especially China where consoles are banned) and will provide more profit to SOE than any console ever could. Even if it means delaying to translate for more languages, DO IT!

[Sturmhardt]

Come on... this is just gonna end in another shitstorm. Let consoleplayers play on their consoles and we play our PS2 on PC. No need for whiners on each side. If they want they can buy a PC and play with us, if we want to play consolegames with them we can buy a console. Lets not make a big deal out of that.

[Mechzz]

Come on... this is just gonna end in another shitstorm. Let consoleplayers play on their consoles and we play our PS2 on PC. No need for whiners on each side. If they want they can buy a PC and play with us, if we want to play consolegames with them we can buy a console. Lets not make a big deal out of that.

This. No need to drag out the stereotypes again.

[cryosin]

My guess is that current gen consoles are going to have a hard time running this game. The biggest FPS on consoles would be MAG on PS3, where there was 128 players in one game. Even then they where split up into four areas of the map, So it was really 32 vs 32 in four different places.

But, I can foresee the next gen hardware having an easy adaptation for planetside 2. Even Bungie is working on an FPS MMO title for Xbox 720(not the current one).

So maybe we'll see it on PS4, but for now you can invite your friends over and convince them to buy a gaming PC =D

I'm guessing a ~$500 PC w/ a core i3, $150 graphics card + 4 Gigs should run the game just fine.

[Toppopia]

My guess is that current gen consoles are going to have a hard time running this game. The biggest FPS on consoles would be MAG on PS3. There where 128 players in one game, and even then they where split up into four areas of the map. So it was really 32 vs 32 in four different places.

I can foresee the next gen hardware having an easy adaptation for planetside 2. Even Bungie is working on an FPS MMO title for Xbox 720(not the current one), but SOE is going to grab the audience first.

So maybe we'll see it on PS4, but for now you can invite your friends over and convince them to buy a gaming PC =D

I'm guessing a ~$500 PC w/ a core i3, $150 graphics card + 4 Gigs should run the game just fine.

For some reason my brother is sceptical that this will run on my laptop, even though its only 3-4 years old and when we took it in to get its battery replaced, an employee commented that it is still as good as some newer laptops. But i will have to wait and see i guess.

The only useful information i can find on my laptop.
Intel Core i7 CPU q720 @ 1.60GHz, 4 cores, 8 logic processors.
RAM 4GB
NVIDIA GeForce GT 230M

Oh and it cost about $2500 (NZ $) So about $1,884.37 USD.

And he thinks this game will just be a massive version of COD/BF3, with no teamwork or anything, then i said. "Go join an outfit." Thats probably the best way to find teamwork.

[ringring]

PS2 coming to PS4. You heard it here first.
not quite first

[ringring]

My guess is that current gen consoles are going to have a hard time running this game. The biggest FPS on consoles would be MAG on PS3, where there was 128 players in one game. Even then they where split up into four areas of the map, So it was really 32 vs 32 in four different places.

But, I can foresee the next gen hardware having an easy adaptation for planetside 2. Even Bungie is working on an FPS MMO title for Xbox 720(not the current one).

So maybe we'll see it on PS4, but for now you can invite your friends over and convince them to buy a gaming PC =D

I'm guessing a ~$500 PC w/ a core i3, $150 graphics card + 4 Gigs should run the game just fine.

Ye, a year ago (thinks) Matt was quite dismissive of running ps2 on console because, he said, the console wouldn't be able to handle the graphics.

The tune changed a little and it probably has something to do with playstation 4.

[EVILoHOMER]

Current Gen consoles just don't have the memory surely.

Wouldn't be surprised to see a port to Xbox 3 and PS4.

[Spark]

But, I can foresee the next gen hardware having an easy adaptation for planetside 2. Even Bungie is working on an FPS MMO title for Xbox 720(not the current one).


Bungie's new game is for 360 as well, most likely that's the lead platform. With that in mind I suspect it'll be something like DUST514.

[Mastachief]

For some reason my brother is sceptical that this will run on my laptop, even though its only 3-4 years old and when we took it in to get its battery replaced, an employee commented that it is still as good as some newer laptops. But i will have to wait and see i guess.

The only useful information i can find on my laptop.
Intel Core i7 CPU q720 @ 1.60GHz, 4 cores, 8 logic processors.
RAM 4GB
NVIDIA GeForce GT 230M

Oh and it cost about $2500 (NZ $) So about $1,884.37 USD.

And he thinks this game will just be a massive version of COD/BF3, with no teamwork or anything, then i said. "Go join an outfit." Thats probably the best way to find teamwork.

I would be surprised if your laptop manages more than around 15fps with that graphics solution

[Sledgecrushr]

For some reason my brother is sceptical that this will run on my laptop, even though its only 3-4 years old and when we took it in to get its battery replaced, an employee commented that it is still as good as some newer laptops. But i will have to wait and see i guess.

The only useful information i can find on my laptop.
Intel Core i7 CPU q720 @ 1.60GHz, 4 cores, 8 logic processors.
RAM 4GB
NVIDIA GeForce GT 230M

Oh and it cost about $2500 (NZ $) So about $1,884.37 USD.

And he thinks this game will just be a massive version of COD/BF3, with no teamwork or anything, then i said. "Go join an outfit." Thats probably the best way to find teamwork.


Thats nicer than my two year old pc. Sould have more meat than ps2 can chew.

[BloodySoul]

Honestly, with everything that will be in this game and also just from everything in PS1. The console would be a mess. Also, i think the game play would be a lot slower. PC's biggest advantage in my opinion is being able to do things quickly, and knowing its just as easy for the enemy to get stuff fast and do stuff fast. Not having to constantly click the up or down button to choose your gear, then having to press O-O, or X-O to like have to exit out. Click-Click-go into battle, that's how fast it needs to be.

Now, I know there are a good people out there who could grab and go fast on a console. But its just not going to be the same as for PC users.

Another thing I wanted to say is that IF they did come out with a console version, I don't think the quality would be as good. I think the PC version would have better care tan the console... just say'n.

[Gogita]

Some people are I think misreading the topic. The question is "how is SOE going to attract console gamers to a PC game, which is Planetside?"

We all agree that planetside 2 should be on PC only due to the limitations of consoles currently. However, there are a lot of console gamers, and how to we get them to play planetside?

[Immigrant]

Some people are I think misreading the topic. The question is "how is SOE going to attract console gamers to a PC game, which is Planetside?"

However, there are a lot of console gamers, and how to we get them to play planetside?

The promise of persistent world in which hundreds of players will clash in the same moment perhaps? This will be only modern true war-scale combat simulation/game out there. :rolleyes: Anyone who isn't drawn by this alone can stay playing console games and go fts.

Or maybe you guys thought PS2 team should give console players decent PC rigs along with the free game? :rofl:

[Gogita]

I have experienced that many people do not understand "a persistent world with hundreds of players". While planetside veterans understand this concept, when I try tell this to non-PS players, the first thing they say is: "well, how does this compare to [insert shooter]?"

I think we should immediately just answer that question. SOE should market Planetside 2 in a way so it immediately says: "You know CoD? yes? Well, multiply the number of players by 50, insert unlimited vehicles and explosions and there you have it." I just feel that players that have no experience in planetside just do not grasp the idea of it and we need to describe it more simple for them.

[kaffis]

Some people are I think misreading the topic. The question is "how is SOE going to attract console gamers to a PC game, which is Planetside?"

We all agree that planetside 2 should be on PC only due to the limitations of consoles currently. However, there are a lot of console gamers, and how to we get them to play planetside?
Yeah, to address the actual intent of the original post, rather than launch off on an imagined rhetorical question of "should/will PS2 be ported to consoles?"...

The answer is quite simply an impressive marketing blitz that would be wasted if it comes any sooner than 6 months from now. Now's way too early to try to convince people to get enthused about the game. If they aren't already, even a beta won't hold their attention until release if we're assuming it'll make a winter release. Trying to *sell* a game whose release is more than 2 months away is a waste of effort and money.

[ArmedZealot]

What the thread was asking: How do we get more console players to be interested in Planetside 2?

What the "better" community wants to discuss:

http://resource.mmgn.com/Gallery/normal/7PLLYLB8.jpg

[Immigrant]

What the thread was asking: How do we get more console players to be interested in Planetside 2?

What the "better" community wants to discuss:

RANDOM PIC

Complexes AZ, huh? :rofl: Typical consoler... :p

The whole question is stupid altogether... Gamer is gamer, console or PC one and same rules of attracting them apply - Make a good game, that will attract people. True question is why wouldn't a "console player" be drawn to PS2 since it's a game with very unique concept atm (there's no rival both on console or on PCs that I know of)?

Is more marketing needed? sure (in the future), but it's far too early for aggressive marketing campaign imo since we don't know even the date of open beta. Right now SOE should focus their resources on finishing this product not on marketing it.

[IMMentat]

Eventually consoles will just be standardised Home PC's running propriety software and plugged into the TV, until then I can't see the "Console versus PC" argument ever stopping.
It's only the manufacturers of consoles that are stopping this from happening with the next gen of consoles.

Until this #merge# happens, PC's will remain more powerful but overcomplex machines (to 95% of the population) and consoles will be one-mediocre-size-fits-all home entertainment systems for the masses.

PC's need an image change (The #grey box sitting under a desk# can do everything a console can) and NEED more user friendly information for valid/recommended upgrade options.
Consoles need to run on less exotic architecture and allow the use of more varied software (make them easier to cross-platform and introduce mice and keyboards to the general user).

[GunslingerX]

LOL @PC master race!

Here's the thing, gamers are reluctant to switch to PC because while console games are developed for the current consoles (lets say 5 years between generations), PC games constantly push the envelope as new hardware is available. Alot of the gamers I've talked to don't want to invest in a PC because it'll be "obsolete" in a year *facepalm*. I guess a PC is obsolete if you have to tweak the graphics a bit lol...

Rather than have SOE run ads that might or might not reach their target audience, I think we as a community can be much more effective. It's up to us to recruit others to PS2... if each of us gets just one more person we've doubled our population. It's exponential growth from there!

[EightEightEight]

LOL @PC master race!

Here's the thing, gamers are reluctant to switch to PC because while console games are developed for the current consoles (lets say 5 years between generations), PC games constantly push the envelope as new hardware is available. Alot of the gamers I've talked to don't want to invest in a PC because it'll be "obsolete" in a year *facepalm*. I guess a PC is obsolete if you have to tweak the graphics a bit lol...

Rather than have SOE run ads that might or might not reach their target audience, I think we as a community can be much more effective. It's up to us to recruit others to PS2... if each of us gets just one more person we've doubled our population. It's exponential growth from there!

this is the reason I could care less about the console players. Just let them play their games and we can enjoy PS2

[Serpent]

It's hilarious how the OP's username is Peacemaker but the thread he makes just is begging to be completely covered in rage and fury...

I'm tired of seeing these types of threads(anywhere), but I'll have to deal with it :(

Honestly, most Console gamers from what I can tell are no better than a lot of PC gamers that play SPECIFIC games. For instance: play League of legends, and you get a bunch of idiots.

Play a game like PS2/PS1, and generally, the focus on teamwork and community will keep people who aren't quite so mature away.

Games like Rainbow Six Vegas also don't have CoD 12 year olds, because it's easy to die in Vegas as opposed to CoD (No dropshotting, sorry)

[JADO]

After roughly 21 years playing games on a console I've finally decided to make the move onto pc.This was an easy decision after seeing footage of PS2 and ARMA 3.Hopefully I'll have the damn thing built before either of them come out lol.

[Toppopia]

I would be surprised if your laptop manages more than around 15fps with that graphics solution

So my laptop sucks? Ok :(

And to attract Console gamers, show side by side footage of this compared to Consoles 'best' strategy teamwork game. So i guess thats Battlefield 3.

So show footage of a group preparing an assault. So planetside would have 50 people pulling vehicles and waypoints set. Then BF3 would show 4 people pull 1 humvee or something.

Then show the travelling to the objective, so Planetside 2 would be massive open country and being attacked. BF3 would show a 2 minute drive to the enemy base.

Then attacking the base. Planetside 2 would show a massive assault with 100 attackers 100 defenders or something, with massive air battles and ground battles. Then BF3 would show a base attack, with 10 people attacking and 15 people defending or something.

Then show in big bold letters at the end.

"So, which will you choose?

[Pyreal]

/e hops into Magrider and then hears a distant voice:

You chose, wisely.

[Peacemaker]

It's hilarious how the OP's username is Peacemaker but the thread he makes just is begging to be completely covered in rage and fury...

I'm tired of seeing these types of threads(anywhere), but I'll have to deal with it :(

Honestly, most Console gamers from what I can tell are no better than a lot of PC gamers that play SPECIFIC games. For instance: play League of legends, and you get a bunch of idiots.

Play a game like PS2/PS1, and generally, the focus on teamwork and community will keep people who aren't quite so mature away.

Games like Rainbow Six Vegas also don't have CoD 12 year olds, because it's easy to die in Vegas as opposed to CoD (No dropshotting, sorry)

I'm tired of seeing nubs who don't read the whole OP before they jump to flame, or aren't able to understand the OP so they assume it's the same "consoles suck pc rules". Fucking read it, other people even explained that in the thread.

[Red Beard]

What the thread was asking: How do we get more console players to be interested in Planetside 2?

What the "better" community wants to discuss:

http://resource.mmgn.com/Gallery/normal/7PLLYLB8.jpg

This pic inspired me to start a master race photo collection, thanks! lol

[Brusi]

Cashing in on the Diablo III PC gaming gateway drug release and reminding consolers how good it is to play PC games has been working for me!

I think SOE are probably doing it the right way, using social media and blogs to push more word of mouth advertising.

They should probably also do a limited advertising push in the states close to release, but definitely not spend too much money on it. The game is F2P and mis-spending of money early on might be risky.

I think the steam effect will definitely help raise awareness of PS2 and a more diverse playerbase will increase word of mouth spread from PC gamers to Console gamers. In addition, considering that SOE is linked to SONY then perhaps there is also the opportunity to pipe down some advertising directly to people's PS3 ;p

[Dreamcast]

FPS MMO are the future....Everytime I mention a mass scale shooter like Planetside 2, they like the Idea.


Is only time before COD and Halo make an MMO....specially if Planetside is succesfull


The only reason I think MMOFPS havn't become popular is because of the consoles and because planetside was ahead of is time and failed......Consoles limit the max players but like I said if PS2 is succesfull and depending on how powerfull next gen is...They will make an MMO.

Especially activision, they wouldn't pass a chance on charging people each month for a COD MMO.