Stomp on harrassment from the start

[Ruffdog]

Pardon if its the wrong forum but I think its on-topic for PS2.

So I read this article today:
http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/magazine-18280000

I mean there are terrible disgusting things in there. And its probably only the tip of the iceberg.

And I thought two things:
1. Wow I did not know some females took that much abuse in-game,
2. They should really give PS2 a go when it comes around. They'll see plenty of friendly faces.

But then I had a worrying thought: PS2 will not be totally friendly. This thing will be F2P and will inevitably attract the kind of fools that a monthly sub (for the most part) kept away in PS1. Reporting/banning may not be a deterrent and it may only be that /ignore X is the way to go.
I think this is something that needs to be done correctly from the start though, to make Auraxis an outstanding place to be.

This might all seem a bit sappy to some, but having a daughter has changed me quite a bit these last few years!

[Atheosim]

I completely agree that all forms of bigotry are stomach churning more than almost anything else. Seeing it in my communities is unbearable and I dearly hope that the game isn't overrun by trolls and bigots and naive children spouting what they heard their older brother say into his xbox microphone.

[2coolforu]

I don't think abusive language is unique to one demographic on online games. There'll be a wordfilter no doubt, and CS reps ingame to report this crap to.

"We're sitting in her living room in Wisconsin, listening to audio recordings she makes when she goes online to play Call of Duty: Modern Warfare 3"

Modern Warfare 3, you play with 13 year old kids who have internet anonymity and expect to have Shakespearean dialogue, for an adult this person is hilariously soft-skinned.

[DirtyBird]

I wonder how many chicks will take up the VOIP in PS2.
Blokes can get a little excited when they hear a chicks voice over the comms and some can go a little overboard.
/ignore will probably work with in game chat and I suppose there will also be an option to mute people in VOIP.

[Winfernal]

To be mentioned... she is playing MW3.
I don't think you can find a larger ammount of immaturity in a gaming community. Most mainstream games are like that.

I don't think the "type" of players you normally would find in MW3, is interested in playing PS2. (Also, PC exclusive). It's just too large scale, and "slow-paced" for their needs. I know, i know... i'm relying on stereotypes and generalizations here. But hey...

I believe i'm accurate enough. :)

[GhettoPrince]

There isn't any situation where you can tell someone they are thin skinned cause they get upset when someone tells them they should be killed and raped.

The world has moved on. Gaming isn't some niche thing anymore, it's a huge ,legitimate, multi billion dollar industry. There are a lot of eyes on video games and video game culture now. It's 2012, the fact you still have to tell guys to settle the fuck down when they hear girls talking on the teamspeak is insane.

TL;DR, it's past time for gamers to grow up.

[2coolforu]

I wonder how many chicks will take up the VOIP in PS2.
Blokes can get a little excited when they hear a chicks voice over the comms and some can go a little overboard.
/ignore will probably work with in game chat and I suppose there will also be an option to mute people in VOIP.

Maybe if your a pubescent teen, I felt sorry for every girl who spoke on xbox live then had to deal with hordes of hormone driven internet tough guys. We are all adults here, if someone is being a dick then people should just show them the door.

But seriously, it's the internet - I mean, who actually takes the virtual text messages to heart at all. Even when I was eleven and I received ridiculously detailed messages about how someone was going to violate my rotting corpse and my entire family I was mature enough to laugh it off an block them. We need an internet introductory course to teach people this.

[Goldeh]

To be mentioned... she is playing MW3.
I don't think you can find a larger ammount of immaturity in a gaming community.


Eh, don't be so quick to say such things, it's not fair to blame the victim.


"look at the cloths she's wearing it's no wonder she got raped."

versus.

"look at the game she's playing it's no wonder she got harrassed"

Kind of the same thing right?

[Winfernal]

Eh, don't be so quick to say such things, it's not fair to blame the victim.


"look at the cloths she's wearing it's no wonder she got raped."

versus.

"look at the game she's playing it's no wonder she got harrassed"

Kind of the same thing right?

Kinda! but not entirely.

I'm not pointing out the game, i'm pointing out the community it holds. It's no secret that the MW3 community mainly consists of "13-year olds". It's either people acting like 13-year olds, or actual 13 year-old people. Immaturity is to expect when you enter a community like that.

It's like entering a kindergarden, expecting mature conversations. Almost...!

And it doesn't help when the harrasment of women is considered humoristic. "Get back to the kitchen!" etc, etc.

[Bags]

People say dick things no matter what gender you are. Women need to get over it and realize they aren't singled out in that regard.

Honestly I think I get more trash spewed at me than my gf does. Anecdotal, but further backed up by the fact that none of the girls I know who play online games have complained about insults.

Then again, they don't play fighting games or MW3 on a console so...


Edit: Though I don't think any of it should go unpunished, certainly.

[SKYeXile]

Eh, don't be so quick to say such things, it's not fair to blame the victim.


"look at the cloths she's wearing it's no wonder she got raped."

versus.

"look at the game she's playing it's no wonder she got harrassed"

Kind of the same thing right?

Personally i know that if i have gay butt sex's im probably gonna get aids, same with going on XBL voice chat.

People need to be aware of the risks.

[2coolforu]

Eh, don't be so quick to say such things, it's not fair to blame the victim.


"look at the cloths she's wearing it's no wonder she got raped."

versus.

"look at the game she's playing it's no wonder she got harrassed"

Kind of the same thing right?

It's more the fact that it happens to everyone, they throw shitty insults at her because she's a woman - yes. But you will get insults thrown at you regardless of who you are.

- Are you a teenage boy, if you beat someone you'll get a hate text insulting your sexuality/race/mother/family

- Are you an old man, if you beat someone you'll get a hate text insulting your sexuality/race/mother/family

Hell yes, it's a problem, but I hate the way they spin it as being a 'gamer' problem. No, no it's not. It's called playing a game with primarily teenage boys/young adults who have no repurcussion to their actions. We all know how they behave, they are exactly the same IRL as they are ingame, they are just bolder in game because they know they can't get their ass beat.

The way I put it is, if you go into a jail and try to hold polite conversation. Can you really be surprised when they turn out to be douchebags?

[Toppopia]

Kinda! but not entirely.

I'm not pointing out the game, i'm pointing out the community it holds. It's no secret that the MW3 community mainly consists of "13-year olds". It's either people acting like 13-year olds, or actual 13 year-old people. Immaturity is to expect when you enter a community like that.

I call them 12 year olds, and i just laugh when they try to be all mucho, one time on COD:Black Ops. Someone was trash talking and killed me by jumping around a corner, and was all like "ooohh i killed you ahaha (maybe some insaulting words and stuff, can't remember)." Then i said "yeah by jumping round a corner like a noob" Then everyone started mocking him. it was funny. Good times when people like that get mocked and such. Brings back my faith in the community.

Also, because of friendly fire. We can find out who has been harrassing other people. Then kill them over and over again while they swear at us. :lol:

[Toppopia]

Personally i know that if i have gay butt sex's im probably gonna get aids, same with going on XBL voice chat.

People need to be aware of the risks.

Most of the time i just plug in the headset so i can't hear what they say, and just leave it sitting beside me, or i mute them.

[wraithverge]

meh, full time moderators in game, account bans happen, if people don't learn to play nice, they can learn what it's like to not play.

[Dagron]

Bans don't do much in a F2P game. Even IP adress bans get circumvented.

Also, i know where this is inevitably going to lead some day: the end of internet anonymity.

[Xaine]

Meh, the only reason that article exists is because women are a minority in gaming.

You're never going to see an article about how men get trash talked in Online Games and say horrible things to each other.

Hell, i've had people say to me that they hope i get raped and that my family dies, and i'm very male. Did i get an article? No.

People making this massive case about suffering females in online games don't really have a clue. If someone is going to trash talk you, they're going to trash talk you and they'll use whatever insults come to hand. They're not sat there playing calmly, and then as soon as they hear a female voice they go 'OH SHIT, BETTER TRASH TALK THIS ONE'. Infact i think they're more likely to be nice, more than anything.

Retards and retards are retards. They'll insult you with whatever is closest to their diseased mind. Doesn't matter what gender, race, sexual orientation you are. If you're in some way different, they'll use it as ammo.

[Bags]

Meh, the only reason that article exists is because women are a minority in gaming.

You're never going to see an article about how men get trash talked in Online Games and say horrible things to each other.

Hell, i've had people say to me that they hope i get raped and that my family dies, and i'm very male. Did i get an article? No.

People making this massive case about suffering females in online games don't really have a clue. If someone is going to trash talk you, they're going to trash talk you and they'll use whatever insults come to hand. They're not sat there playing calmly, and then as soon as they hear a female voice they go 'OH SHIT, BETTER TRASH TALK THIS ONE'. Infact i think they're more likely to be nice, more than anything.

Retards and retards are retards. They'll insult you with whatever is closest to their diseased mind.

Women own 99% of the BBC coverage
#occupyBBC

[Toppopia]

Bans don't do much in a F2P game. Even IP adress bans get circumvented.

Also, i know where this is inevitaly going to lead some day: the end of internet anonymity.

The average person doesn't know how to do this, especially 12 year whiney kids that shouldn't be allowed to own headsets in the first place.

[Xaine]

Women own 99% of the BBC coverage
#occupyBBC

I'm doing work experience for the BBC next year. I'll be wearing my pink shirt.

[2coolforu]

Who the hell even talks with anyone on xbox live anyway? Since they added party chat everyone just talks to their friends. If you even try to do a 'team talk' in lobby chat you just get called a '***' or told to 'Shut up', the only other people speaking are either talking to someone else in their room, are playing obnoxiously loud music or are currently directing insults at the other people talking.

[Toppopia]

Who the hell even talks with anyone on xbox live anyway? Since they added party chat everyone just talks to their friends. If you even try to do a 'team talk' in lobby chat you just get called a '***' or told to 'Shut up', the only other people speaking are either talking to someone else in their room, are playing obnoxiously loud music or are currently directing insults at the other people talking.

Those annoying game modes that force you to use game chat...:mad:

And there are times where you can have goodish people that communicate and don't tell you to shut up. Those are like 1in10 though :( Like actually finding a whole team that is good communicative people.

[Dagron]

The average person doesn't know how to do this, especially 12 year whiney kids that shouldn't be allowed to own headsets in the first place.
Sadly, i don't think that's true... kids these days learn this stuff much more easily than we do.

[Xaine]

Sadly, i don't think that's true... kids these days learn this stuff much more easily than we do.

Your average idiot isn't going to bother. Honestly, if they just want to dick around then they'll stop after one ban. You'll get a few that keep making accounts, but not too many.

This is one of the reasons I like subscription games. Not saying F2P is a bad thing at all, but in a game like Planetside, people will just make an account and run around teamkilling for the lulz.

[Sabrak]

No matter if it's towards girls or guys, this is a real problem I hope SOE and Pro7Sat (sigh...) will handle correctly.

I see two things they should do, beside banning:

- Not allow people to use VOIP with enemy players.
- Give to moderators the possibility to block the chat for people caught trash talking others.

I think that'd solve most of the problem.

[Goldeh]

Well, I just believe that a person who chooses who do an activity shouldn't be harassed because of their gender. Regardless if it's xbox live, or planetside 2.

Also, yes I do realize women are in the minority and they get the spot light and men don't get articles thrown about them. Yet, I do believe that the reason why men don't get any recognition when it comes to harassment directed at them is because of a percieved "taking it like a man" factor. I.E "if no guy reports it then how are people going to know about it?"
Know what I mean?

Furthermore, I suppose the root of the problem is just internet anonomity. People who can't be held accountable will do werid shit. Yet, it's a dilemma for me personally because.

A. I do love my alternate video game names.

B. I hate assholes.

It comes down to one or the other I think.

[Dreamcast]

Is true about Women being treated different in Online Video Games....But lets be honest is not all bad.

I remember back in the day in Xbox Live, a chick use to be rare...Each time I heard a chick talking on XBL, their usually was a group of guys basically worshiping her....She was basically the queen of the lobby...It was quite sad.


So don't worry...Im sure chicks in Planetside 2 are gonna have White Knights protecting them.



But lets say Women do actually get harrassed then I don't see a problem...Just ignore them....Women are people...Harrassers are basically trolls....So deal with it or GTFO the Internet IMO.


Theirs an Admin so if it gets out of hand then she could report but if somebody calls her a slut or a bitch since she is a girl...I don't see a problem at all unless they like spam her but then thats what admins and /ignore is for.



Women Deserve to get insulted too.......So I hope SOE doesn't treat women getting insulted differently than guys getting insulted....Is the internet...Deal with it....Only if it's spam then should SOE do something.

[Dagron]

True: some women genuinely get harassed, but a few are just being as whinny as some guys.

I wouldn't say anyone "deserves" getting insulted though... I'd say something more like: they should learn to recognize when insults aren't serious, just harmless internet "toughguyery". (what? it's a word)

The problem is that the idiots who take it too far say that as an excuse... "I was just a stupid guy being a stupid guy". :rolleyes:

[kasiraghi]

The problem is that people who play PC games (us) are thick-skinned and it just washes over us.

The WORST abuse I've seen online, which is in some ways amusing, is when a girl is playing and someone abuses them - most of the time they don't care but it's the guys who jump to her defense who get the 'white knight' abuse.

If a girl is playing the game then she probably doesn't care about gaming abuse because everyone always just picks on the most obvious thing to harass about (i.e. gender, speech impediments) - falling back on fat nerd/idiot/nationality etc when they have no info about the person. Also, a lot of guys have a problem with women who are better at games than them - which, again, I find hilarious :D

I agree that it should be stamped out as much as possible though.

[Winfernal]

The problem is that people who play PC games (us) are thick-skinned and it just washes over us.

The WORST abuse I've seen online, which is in some ways amusing, is when a girl is playing and someone abuses them - most of the time they don't care but it's the guys who jump to her defense who get the 'white knight' abuse.

If a girl is playing the game then she probably doesn't care about gaming abuse because everyone always just picks on the most obvious thing to harass about.

I agree that it should be stamped out as much as possible though.

Truth be told, i don't like obvious "white knighting"!

It can be very, very, VERY annoying to observe at times.

[kasiraghi]

Truth be told, i don't like obvious "white knighting"!

It can be very, very, VERY annoying to observe at times.

Heh, yeah, I know (I don't know if my above post made it clear that I completely agree) but it's funny because it's normally done when, to all intents and purposes, the female doesn't care. That's obviously why there is such a negative response to it.

[Dagron]

I agree that it should be stamped out as much as possible though.
Are you crazy? Don't stamp it out, set fire to it and let it die already! :D

[Aaramus]

Read through the article and I still can't quite understand why there are people that still do this, to anyone for that matter. It's just a video game!

In terms of preventing/stopping it on PS2, I'm sure that along with the online admins looking for cheaters they will be hunting down the people that can't quite seem to grasp what decency is.

[Sabot]

yeah.. what to do about the problems of the world. Totally avoiding this is about as easy as achieving world peace. It's an utopia for gamers, and what can be done about it, surely is.

And I'm actually kind of offended it gets such big focus when it happens to a girl, when guys with the exact same complexes as them have had this problem for soooo much longer. Giving it this much focus only when it's a female that is being abused, they're not helping with the problem, but basically confirming the age old sterotype that females can't fend for themselves, take abuse as well as male, and needs sepcial treatment or something... it's wrong wrong wrong. Address the issue over both genders, all nationalites and sexual preferences if you're going to do it.

[Dreamcast]

Read through the article and I still can't quite understand why there are people that still do this, to anyone for that matter. It's just a video game!

In terms of preventing/stopping it on PS2, I'm sure that along with the online admins looking for cheaters they will be hunting down the people that can't quite seem to grasp what decency is.

Is the Internet...Deal with it.


Along as they don't get spammed 24/7, I see no problem.



Really tho women get worshipped by guys if they play video games...They will have their own personal white knight bodyguards in Planetside....Trust me.

[Aaramus]

Is the Internet...Deal with it.


Along as they don't get spammed 24/7, I see no problem.



Really tho women get worshipped by guys if they play video games...They will have their own personal white knight bodyguards in Planetside....Trust me.

I can deal with it fine, it's just the article itself showed a specific example of it happening a lot more than the usual "Lol n00b you suck!" which everyone deals with.

To me it doesn't matter whether its a female playing the game or anybody else, it's incredibly unfair to have to deal with that kind of threatening abuse at the kind of rate presented in that specific article.

[Winfernal]

Is the Internet...Deal with it.


Along as they don't get spammed 24/7, I see no problem.



Really tho women get worshipped by guys if they play video games...They will have their own personal white knight bodyguards in Planetside....Trust me.

It's a game. It's an MMO. It's a community we're talking about here.

You're not free to harrass anyone, even if it is on the internet and even if you're hiding behind a nickname. Screw the internet-norms, behave or get punished.

Getting killed in a game where you respawn 1 minute afterwards, doesn't jutify anyone to talk about "raping your family, "f'ing your mother" etc, etc.

I know it won't dissapear, but there should be actions against people behaving like this.

[2coolforu]

I can deal with it fine, it's just the article itself showed a specific example of it happening a lot more than the usual "Lol n00b you suck!" which everyone deals with.

To me it doesn't matter whether its a female playing the game or anybody else, it's incredibly unfair to have to deal with that kind of threatening abuse at the kind of rate presented in that specific article.

"Lol n00b you suck!" is abuse? I consider that a courteous gamer if that's all they say. I've heard twenty times worse and taken ten times as much, it's called trash talk, sports have it and by extension games have it. Just so happens that unlike in sports Zidane can't headbutt you over the internet so it gets a wee bit more out of hand.

The worst piece of abuse she took was that she was told 'She should be raped and her family killed'. Yeah, that's pretty messed up but I'd consider that a minor insult at best compared to the stuff I usually see chucked around. The rest are pretty minor "Stupid Bitch", I mean c'mon are we still friggin' two, can we not let this wash over us.

Yeah I hate those d-bags on VOIP who wanna internet toughguy and try and shout everyone down and act tough, but the article plays it as if it afflicts women only. I'd say I see far more racism, especially towards anyone speaking non-English and especially Arabic on xbox live than I ever see towards women, generally when a girl speaks on xbox live everyone on her team tries to get in her pants which is pretty amusing (and worse/creepier than insults IMHO)

In the end, if all you get is negativity in the in-game chat, why the hell are you using it? I mean, you can literally just not speak, or mute the assholes. This is the stuff most people on XBL do, or simply invite the nice people to parties/private chat and get away from the hordes of assholes in the lobby chats. There's a reason why the vast majority of people don't speak in Xbox live games and that's because they are in party chats with their mates so they don't have to listen to the little twats who populate the games and try to provoke reactions out of people.

Although

""I have met so many cool people through Xbox Live, the vast majority of the community is kind and welcoming..."

http://i.imgur.com/hdPZk.gif

[Aaramus]

"Lol n00b you suck!" is abuse? I consider that a courteous gamer if that's all they say. I've heard twenty times worse and taken ten times as much, it's called trash talk, sports have it and by extension games have it. Just so happens that unlike in sports Zidane can't headbutt you over the internet so it gets a wee bit more out of hand.

The worst piece of abuse she took was that she was told 'She should be raped and her family killed'. Yeah, that's pretty messed up but I'd consider that a minor insult at best compared to the stuff I usually see chucked around. The rest are pretty minor "Stupid Bitch", I mean c'mon are we still friggin' two, can we not let this wash over us.

Yeah I hate those d-bags on VOIP who wanna internet toughguy and try and shout everyone down and act tough, but the article plays it as if it afflicts women only. I'd say I see far more racism, especially towards anyone speaking non-English and especially Arabic on xbox live than I ever see towards women, generally when a girl speaks on xbox live everyone on her team tries to get in her pants which is pretty amusing (and worse/creepier than insults IMHO)

In the end, if all you get is negativity in the in-game chat, why the hell are you using it? I mean, you can literally just not speak, or mute the assholes. This is the stuff most people on XBL do, or simply invite the nice people to parties/private chat and get away from the hordes of assholes in the lobby chats. There's a reason why the vast majority of people don't speak in Xbox live games and that's because they are in party chats with their mates so they don't have to listen to the little twats who populate the games and try to provoke reactions out of people.

I completely 110% agree with this, I was using the article as an example (yeah the "lol noob" thing was terrible, just ignore that) of what could happen and if the BBC is taking notice of it then it's obviously impacted that person heavily. I think we've all experianced petty idiots who think they're all that and can dish out all sorts of nonsense just some of find it easier to ignore than others.

It is relatively easy to just suck it up and ignore it but as you said there are times where people do just go way too far and they need to be punished the same way if somebody walked up to them on the street and shouted that kind of intense abuse at them in public.

You're right that the article makes it seem that women are the only victims which is not true at all, I think its just that the gaming industry is male centric the media loves to point the blame at video games.

[hypehype]

Internet has always been a place where people can say what they want and be an ass knowing full well they are anonymous.

If the person finds anything about you, Age/race/gender/religion, regardless if they believe what they say is ture they will say it anyway because they know it will hurt.

So its best to stay anonymous to anonymous people.

I Know on the PS3 there is a voice changer you can use to hide your voice, maybe that may beneficial to female players.

[Hmr85]

I think people need to get over getting butt hurt so easy. Its a cruel world out there. Do I think that people should be getting banned over calling somebody something that they don't like..No. That's what the ignore button is for.

[Sledgecrushr]

I know the DD have a 18 or older policy to join. So if your a 18+ girl join up with us 👍

[Dagron]

The fact that it's common place doesn't make it right.
Complacency is troll food... it's even more nutritious to them than attention.
They may leave you alone if you ignore them, but they still live to find less experienced prey.

[2coolforu]

The fact that it's common place doesn't make it right.
Complacency is troll food... it's even more nutritious to them than attention.

Actually ignoring it is one of the best things you can do, a /ignore or simply laughing at them are by far the best reactions to a troll/flamer. Seriously, the only reason they are doing it is to provoke a reaction, if you go and get all emotional they are going to be creaming in their pants.

Watch ventrilo/TS3 harassment videos on youtube if you want to see the wrong way to react to this kind of thing - angrily. You can also see the best way to react to this kind of event, everyone laughing at the perpetrator's stupidity.

[Top Sgt]

this problem is worse on console than PC however in my experience.

I'm 37 the exact average age of an american gamer been gaming since 1982.

my ex was a female gamer on console starting with COD4 beta and on.. She became extremenly popular online just because she was a female playing games back then. yes she's got the occasinal A-hat who would be like your a fat ugly B or whatever.. but the vast majority of men were super nice to her,gave her lot's of attention and treated her like she was a queen online.

Same thing now for example with streaming.. like on twitch.tv if your a new guy channel it can be hard to get over 100 subs on your stream. even with you streaming good content because it's a dime a dozen. But yet a new girl channels open up with the girl playing COD or Diablo III and the channel will have over 1000 subs in less than 48 hrs.. even if the female streamer is terrible.. long as she puts up that face and boob cam..... Channel instantly explodes.

I don't think the meaness against females is as bad as some make it out to be.. i have experienced far more racism in gaming (I'm black) online than I have ever seen a female take being told to make a sandwich or get in the kitchen etc.

I know it occurs but I see far more racism comments being thrown around usually than anything else.

myself personally I don't care if your a man a woman your black white, green yellow or whatever.. let's just game.

[bullet]

This is a 2 way street here. Both sides need to chill out. I was on MW3 about a week ago and we beat this team. This chick starts messaging me so much shit about how we're cheating, camping and etc, calling us all sorts of nice words. I responded pretty calmly trying to reason or ask how we were cheating/camping. This eventually escalates to the point where I finally called her a bitch for being a bitch. She messages me back "Oh, so now you're trash talking a girl, how do I know you're gay now?"

Lol what? I guess I cant call someone out for acting the way they are. The worst thing that bothered me about this was that she had to play the "Imma girl card" to try and win. I just gave up after that. I pretty much hate anyone on MW3. Thats why I destroy them and make them cry. :groovy:

[Dagron]

Actually ignoring it is one of the best things you can do, a /ignore or simply laughing at them are by far the best reactions to a troll/flamer.
Yes, sadly that's the best thing to do currently, but it's not ideal.

Watch ventrilo/TS3 harassment videos on youtube if you want to see the wrong way to react to this kind of thing - angrily. You can also see the best way to react to this kind of event, everyone laughing at the perpetrator's stupidity.
I'm familiar with vent harassment and i agree. The problem are the people who do react the wrong way, it encourages them... but i think these are the exact same people who don't listen to "just ignore them", which makes saying it kind of an empty gesture.
I mean, kids may actually learn some day... but i'm sure to this day peggy blows a gasket whenever someone invades her vent server. :p

[2coolforu]

I'd agree Top Sgt, on xbox live if you play with a Turkish guy or a black guy the moment you use a mic I guarantee someone will start spewing racism at the dude.

Whenever I see a woman/girl playing everyone follows them around basically throwing away their own lives ingame to protect them, giving them the good weapons. It's almost laughable to a point, some creepers obviously treat them bad but after looking through some of the messages they have recieved a lot of them don't even reference gender. They are simply swearing or calling them camping assholes etc, relatively standard stuff if you've been playing online for a decent amount of time.

[Dreamcast]

It's a game. It's an MMO. It's a community we're talking about here.

You're not free to harrass anyone, even if it is on the internet and even if you're hiding behind a nickname. Screw the internet-norms, behave or get punished.

Getting killed in a game where you respawn 1 minute afterwards, doesn't jutify anyone to talk about "raping your family, "f'ing your mother" etc, etc.

I know it won't dissapear, but there should be actions against people behaving like this.

Who cares?

Just /ignore...is that so hard?


Personally if I know somebody is a women, Im gonna call her a stupid bitch if she is a stupid bitch.

[Aractain]

Bad people use the most powerful weapon against you; race, gender, sexuality whatever. I hate white knights as much as I hate trolls and fools - its kinda weird when your called out for NOT fawning over a female on voice when all the other males are... (was in a MMORPG though).

[Dreamcast]

I'd agree Top Sgt, on xbox live if you play with a Turkish guy or a black guy the moment you use a mic I guarantee someone will start spewing racism at the dude.

Whenever I see a woman/girl playing everyone follows them around basically throwing away their own lives ingame to protect them, giving them the good weapons. It's almost laughable to a point, some creepers obviously treat them bad but after looking through some of the messages they have recieved a lot of them don't even reference gender. They are simply swearing or calling them camping assholes etc, relatively standard stuff if you've been playing online for a decent amount of time.

100% true..I have a thick accent so everytime I talk, all people ask me where Im from then proceed to insult me.


Women have it easy.....People will worship you in Xbox live if ur a chick...Is pathetic to have some queen in a lobby...I used to talk shit to the queens of Xbox live back in the day..All the White knights came to her rescue.

[Winfernal]

Who cares?

Just /ignore...is that so hard?


Personally if I know somebody is a women, Im gonna call her a stupid bitch if she is a stupid bitch.

Yeah, it's awesome to all act cool and though over the internet, using these cool "foul words". Very, very awesome. :rolleyes:

Can't you just "/ignore" the "stupid bitch" instead?... is that so hard?

[Dreamcast]

Yeah, it's awesome to act cool over the internet. Very, very awesome. :rolleyes:

Can't you just "/ignore" the "stupid bitch" instead?... is that so hard?

I have no problem with people talking crap to me or me talking crap to them...In fact I quite enjoy trolling people.

I am not acting cool, is just cool to talk shit.

[Winfernal]

I have no problem with people talking crap to me or me talking crap to them...In fact I quite enjoy trolling people.

I am not acting cool, is just cool to talk shit.

:lol:

[2coolforu]

I was reading through some of the transcripts that were on the persons site, some of them made me cringe they were so idiotic, but a lot of the time she was chattin' about pwnin and being awesome at the game. I know loads of people do it but that's pretty much number 1 way to invite trash talk as it pretty much is trashtalk.

Now some of them were so bad, I really felt for the woman as some real nasty comments were put down, but pressing 'Y' and muting them would have totally ended it. That's why the function exists, you aren't going to make some xbox live little bigot convert from his assholish ways with a bit of banter. Just let him speak, record the voice and send it to XBL for an insta-ban, that'll learn em.

On PC CoD 4 I tend to average 4-5: 1 K/D ratios and it isn't rare to get 100-120 kills to 10-20 deaths in a game and have half the teams score, even then I won't chat shit unless someone else does it. Why? Because there will be someone better than you, or maybe you just got lucky and when you have a bad game (and you will have one) or when that player who's way better logs into the server you really do look like an ass.

This is especially important on MW3 console-style where getting one lucky killstreak basically wins the game, or having host makes you practically invincible.

[Ironside]

just turn in game voice off, majority of it will be nobheads spamming shite anyway.
stick to comms with mates/guilds

[Winfernal]

just turn in game voice off, majority of it will be nobheads spamming shite anyway.
stick to comms with mates/guilds

Indeed. This is my plan ;)

[The Kush]

While I agree with you that harassment is immature and low, we are all adults and can put on our big boy (or girl) pants. Its not the end of the world. No ones needs to cry. Must I repeat that god awful saying?

"Sticks and stones may break my bones but names will never hurt me"

[KTNApollo]

But girls don't play video games.

[LightningDriver]

In Planetside, cancelling out the usual "hate tell" nonsense that everyone gets, I was harrassed two times. Both times were very bad things typed out, since I am hearing impaired, about my hearing impairment. I have never joined up on voice chat, but a few people are nice enough to let me run with them.

Fortunatly, another 15 people in those platoons would jump at that guy and give him the boot.

I feel sorry for the other people to think that they can feel better by trying to bully a stranger over then internet, but there are a lot of lonely, desperate people out there, I guess.

Anyways, getting harrassed an average of once every four years makes for a pretty good community. I think the first 6 months will be rough, then the entitled whiners will move on to the next big thing.

[MrBloodworth]

PS2 is played on the internet.

Think about that a moment.

[KTNApollo]

PS2 is played on the internet.

Think about that a moment.

This. The internet will never become a peaceful, respectful place. Anonymity = harassment/trolling/flaming. Nothing can change the way people behave on the internet.

[Shade Millith]

I, personally, have never seen, in game, people going off on a women like that. From BF series, CS - CS:S, WOW, EVE Online, COD or the dozen of other games I've played on PC, in all the years I've played.

Is this a bigger problem on consoles?

At the same time, I see very little difference between calling a woman a 'slut' and calling a guy a '***'. Between 'get back in the kitchen' and 'I fucked your mum'.

It happens, but guys get just as much shit slung at them.

[Winfernal]

This. The internet will never become a peaceful, respectful place. Anonymity = harassment/trolling/flaming. Nothing can change the way people behave on the internet.

True. Find a friendly, good outfit. Communicate with the people in your outfit, ignore the morons.

= fun times!

[The Janitor]

Sheila Broflovski: Remember what the MPAA says; Horrific, Deplorable violence is okay, as long as people don't say any naughty woids! That's what this war is all about!

[SpcFarlen]

Its a touchy subject but i dont really have a strong stance on the matter. Words are words, you only give them power. So having an insult thrown my way never really bothers me. Usually that is because the other person is now in a respawning screen.

And it is a really slippery slope when you starts banning people for offensive language since who deems what as offensive? It really is subjective.

[Mepper]

At first when this game is in beta stage there are no trolls at all I would assume. Then the players will be probably more mature than in any other stage of the game.

Some things that should help a lot when the game finally comes out:
-No communication at all between different factions, no voicechat, no textmessages.
-Allow squad leaders, or other commanders, to kick people out their squad (talk).
-Allow people to mute a certain player clientside. This because it is the most easy way to ignore people in the general teamchat, without having to kick them. (No commanders should be able to kick player out their team, at least not on their own, because that would give him too much power which could be abused, only server admins should have the rights to kick people.

I think over time most trolls will get away, and we can only play with mature acting(!) people.

[NewSith]

Some things that should help a lot when the game finally comes out:
-No communication at all between different factions, no voicechat, no textmessages.

At first I wanted to say that I'm against such a severe measure, but thinking about it I came to a conclusion, that such a thing can be a toggleable option.

[Dagron]

Sheila Broflovski: Remember what the MPAA says; Horrific, Deplorable violence is okay, as long as people don't say any naughty woids! That's what this war is all about!
I lol'd.

[super pretendo]

This is a troll thread, right? Keep your politically correct inversions of reality outside of my video games

[The Kush]

In Planetside, cancelling out the usual "hate tell" nonsense that everyone gets, I was harrassed two times. Both times were very bad things typed out, since I am hearing impaired, about my hearing impairment. I have never joined up on voice chat, but a few people are nice enough to let me run with them.

Fortunatly, another 15 people in those platoons would jump at that guy and give him the boot.

I feel sorry for the other people to think that they can feel better by trying to bully a stranger over then internet, but there are a lot of lonely, desperate people out there, I guess.

Anyways, getting harrassed an average of once every four years makes for a pretty good community. I think the first 6 months will be rough, then the entitled whiners will move on to the next big thing.

Hey man you can roll with my guys anytime. I am disgusted to hear that someone is that iggnorant and immature to poke at a disability. It seems you got it figured out though. He is the one with issues and is damn lucky he is hiding behind a computer screen or I would whoop his ass. What doesn't kill you makes you stronger. Thanks for being part of this community and message me anytime if you want some friendly mature gamers to play with when the game comes out.

Cheers mate

[Santiak]

To be perfectly honest, I'd try react the same way as if a male was getting bashed without reason.
Donning the knightly armour can be just as condescending, after all, it shows you subscribe to the notion that the "victim" is in some way incapable of handling the situation, purely based on gender, and not the situation in question.

But, I dislike smacktalk where it isn't needed nor wanteed, so i tend to shy away from public voice chats, and generally try to surround myself with people i find i like, so smacktalk never becomes an issue. If it does, you have a bunch of people to help you if something hits a sore-spot, which, it can do from time to time.

Usually, if i do try to help someone I don't know, i'm unaware of their sex either way.
If i do know them, I'd react the same regardless of gender, faith, skintone, etc., of either the aggressor or the victim.

I agree with Top Sgt, prejudice of any kind is something i actively try to either avoid or combat, mainly because I feel noone should be harassed doing something they enjoy.

What will ultimately matter in my reaction, isn't your real-life persona, but whether youre in a Gimp suit, Barney suit, or a Smurf ;)

So I might engage in some tongue-in-cheek smacktalk, but if so, I'd try to make sure everyone involved is aware that, were they to strike up a chat with me, I'd hold no animosity towards them and be as friendly as.. as. .a.. hm.. ..you get the idea.
Unless, of course, they gave me a very good reason to dislike the person they turned out to be outside the in-game smacktalk, like attacking someones real-life persona, be it gender, skintone, disabilities, so on.

At the end of the day, I can only try to be the person i want to be, and let people be the person they want to be. I can't and i won't try to change anyone. But I hope they don't expect they can act like an arse, and not gather the animosity of those they piss off/on. ;o

[The Kush]

To be perfectly honest, I'd try react the same way as if a male was getting bashed without reason.
Donning the knightly armour can be just as condescending, after all, it shows you subscribe to the notion that the "victim" is in some way incapable of handling the situation.

But, I dislike smacktalk where it isn't needed, so i tend to shy away from public voice chats, and generally try to surround myself with people i find i like, so smacktalk never becomes an issue, and if it does, you have a bunch of people to help you if something hits a sore-spot, which, it can do from time to time.

Usually, if i do try to help someone I don't know, i'm unaware of their sex.
If i do know them, I'd react the same regardless of gender - of either the aggressor or the victim.

I agree with Top Sgt, prejudice of any kind is something i actively try to either avoid, or combat, mainly because it ruins the experience.

What will ultimately matter in my reaction, isn't your real-life persona, but whether youre in a Gimp suit, Barney suit, or a Smurf ;)
So I might engage in some tongue-in-cheek smacktalk, but if so, I'd try to make sure everyone involved is aware that, were they to strike up a chat with me, I'd hold no animosity towards them, and be friendly - unless, of course, they gave me a very good reason to dislike the person they turned out to be.

Competitive "it's all fun and games" trash talk is one thing and something I 100% support. Making fun of a disability, as I talk about above, is a whole different topic and something very low I take offense to.

[SGTalon]

The #1 problem that is discussed in that article relates to Console games. Fact is a very large portion of the console gaming community is like this.

Part of why i refuse to be a console gamer.

As to the PC MMO crowd, i don't think it applies as much. I have been in a lot of clans/guilds/corporations/outfits that have women and do not accept that kind of behavior.

I have left guilds that allow that kind of stuff, or racist remarks, excessive swearing, and other things like that. A few times it was a hard decision because they were top of the heap guilds.

I have already limited my clan choices in PS2 because the clan i was considering applying to, that i think is going to be a huge dominating force in PS2 had some unfortunate stuff going on in their forums.

When you check out a guild's forums and the leader is using racial slurs and it is filled with swearing, it just doesn't seem like the place for me.

There is no way to avoid bigotry and stupidity, but you can limit your exposure. Sometimes it means you are not in the best guild, sometimes it means you are missing out on some parts of the game. But overall it is worth it to surround yourself with people that have good character.

[Santiak]

Competitive "it's all fun and games" trash talk is one thing and something I 100% support. Making fun of a disability, as I talk about above, is a whole different topic and something very low I take offense to.

I take it that means we wholeheartedly agree ;)

.. Sometimes it means you are not in the best guild, sometimes it means you are missing out on some parts of the game. But overall it is worth it to surround yourself with people that have good character.

If the clan acts like that, and condones it, they'd never be considered "the best" in my book, regardless of what the numbers say - arses will never come first in any race.

[proxy]

1) Saying that it's not a big deal when you're part of the majority is a non starter.

2) Having public forums with little or no consequence for your actions is the problem. (see John Gabriel's Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory) (http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/03/19). What we need is a way to gauge the validity and history of what a person has to say. If they get muted and ignored all the time, then they should start being muted automatically by the services we use (see this episode of Extra Credits). (http://penny-arcade.com/patv/episode/harassment) Not a perfect solution but a start. There has to be consequences that mean something when people cross the line into abuse.

[Tatwi]

It's sad how many people shut up and go away in online games when they learn I am a dood playing a female character. I feel for the real females out there, especially as a father of three girls. We'll be moving to the far side of the moon in a couple years!

All forms of harassment should be taken seriously, especially the trolling and negativity on the official forums. Lord knows that the SOE haters from SWG will back to troll the PS2 forums, because they having nothing better to do. It was always awful when free play time for SWG came up and it makes the whole community look (and feel) bad. Honestly, it should cost $15/m in purchases to post on the forums.

[Goldeh]

Truth be told, i don't like obvious "white knighting"!

It can be very, very, VERY annoying to observe at times.

Eh, personally I find the whole idea of white knighting to be a very vague concept. It covers too many bases. You could call anyone and everyone who defends something or someone a white knight. Couldn't you?

For example: Vanu and a NC troopers are duking it out in the middle of no where when you show up and save the day, killing the Vanu. Vanu gets mad and says

"bloody white knight"

I mean it fits right? You came over and defended you ally from death. A beat down as it were.

And hey while were on the topic of white knights what about their opposites the black knights? Why isn't there a gaming thing for them?

[Dagron]

1) Saying that it's not a big deal when you're part of the majority is a non starter.

2) Having public forums with little or no consequence for your actions is the problem. (see John Gabriel's Greater Internet Fuckwad Theory) (http://www.penny-arcade.com/comic/2004/03/19). What we need is a way to gauge the validity and history of what a person has to say. If they get muted and ignored all the time, then they should start being muted automatically by the services we use (see this episode of Extra Credits). (http://penny-arcade.com/patv/episode/harassment) Not a perfect solution but a start. There has to be consequences that mean something when people cross the line into abuse.
^This.

All i could do was feel the "ignore them" solution fell short somehow, i couldn't think of something more adequate.
What they propose at the Extra Credits video is a brilliant first step in the right direction. Thanks for posting it.

[Eyeklops]

NO, I am not a hero. I am not a good guy. I will not be your "white knight."

YES, I will make you cry every chance I get. If you show a vulnerability, I will exploit it until your sobbing for your mommy. Yes, FEEEEED ME with your tears. Why do this? Because I am an ignorant evil fuck that gets enjoyment out of your pain. That is all, please move along, nothing to see here (yet).

[proxy]

And hey while were on the topic of white knights what about their opposites the black knights? Why isn't there a gaming thing for them?

It's just a flesh wound!

[Tatwi]

NO, I am not a hero. I am not a good guy. I will not be your "white knight."

YES, I will make you cry every chance I get. If you show a vulnerability, I will exploit it until your sobbing for your mommy. Yes, FEEEEED ME with your tears. Why do this? Because I am a small, self loathing person that projects his feelings onto others as a way of coping with my internal pain. That is all, please move along, nothing to see here (yet).

Fixed that for you (and everyone else who acts like you).

Truth is not personal. It just is.

[Eyeklops]

Fixed that for you (and everyone else who acts like you).

Truth is not personal. It just is.

So? What's your point.

[IMMentat]

Abuse is a community wide problem in most games, the most effective counter is usually an over 18's only or family guild where the leaders actively enforce the "dont be a prat" rule.

In any competitive environment, annoyance and tempers frequently lead to the following equation.
http://i48.tinypic.com/35k244o.jpg

It's one of the reasons Blizzard introduced the real ID system (it didn't work).
The only true counters are a mature community (not older, mature, though both usually pair up) with enough power to keep control of those who can't control themselves and a rapid reaction enforcement sysem that activley enforces common decency.

[The Kush]

I take it that means we wholeheartedly agree ;)


Yes :)

[LightningDriver]

Hey man you can roll with my guys anytime. I am disgusted to hear that someone is that iggnorant and immature to poke at a disability. It seems you got it figured out though. He is the one with issues and is damn lucky he is hiding behind a computer screen or I would whoop his ass. What doesn't kill you makes you stronger. Thanks for being part of this community and message me anytime if you want some friendly mature gamers to play with when the game comes out.

Cheers mate

Well thanks!

It's good to know that there are good gamers on all three empires. I am sure we'll meet on the battlefield in a hail of bullets, then laugh and share stories on the forums of how I single-handedly beat the NC with a pocket knife. :groovy:

Or, maybe something a little more modest. We can dream though.

[laelgon]

I think we have to accept that there is going to be a lot of trash talking and cries of "Omg hax newb." Your taking people who are basically anonymous, putting them in with hundreds of other people, and then adding competition to the mix. On top of all that there's going to be a huge variation of skill levels that result in some people dying a lot more often than others. Tempers are inevitably going to flare. That's OK.

When it's no longer Ok is when it moves to the point of continually sending messages to a player (do we even know if you can send tells to the other team?), or constantly griefing them or getting others to do so. Stuff like that is where SOE needs to come down hard and fast.

[Xyntech]

I don't get what the problem is. Every time I get trash talked, I just stay calm, take a break from the game, and go in the kitchen to make myself a sammich.

This really is a non issue in a way though. This shit is all over the internet. The real issue is that Planetside 2 is F2P, so there will need to be ways that players can turn off /tells from random players, toggle on/off language filtering, etc.

Just limit accounts who have never purchased anything to a small number of /tells per hour, and block brand new accounts from sending a /tell to anyone who isn't on their friends list for the first few hours of gameplay.

[Dagron]

Seriously, the best thing i heard so far was in the Extra Credits video: if someone gets muted too often, they should be automatically muted by everyone else's clients.
Eventually no one would hear them and they would either learn to behave or become lonely outcasts.
This creates a much better environment than the zero accountability one currently in place... It would mean if someone wants to be an asshat, they will have to live with the consequences just like irl.

[Aaramus]

Just limit accounts who have never purchased anything to a small number of /tells per hour, and block brand new accounts from sending a /tell to anyone who isn't on their friends list for the first few hours of gameplay.

This is a good idea! Maybe have it so that until you've played for a certain amount of time and gained a certain amount of xp/certs, you can't message people who aren't on your friends list.

[Xyntech]

I've been called everything from cheater & exploiter to "snarfing clambake whose mother is a cum-soaked AIDS whore".

Say what you want about my mother, but I wouldn't stand for being called a snarfing clambake.

My word.

[Dagron]

Zero accountability? How do you come up with this nonsense?
Fine, i was being a little dramatic.
But i was talking about verbal abuse, a system to auto shut jerks up. I know systems to punish ppl who TK exist.

[Xyntech]

Fine, i was being a little dramatic.
But i was talking about verbal abuse, a system to auto shut jerks up. I know systems to punish ppl who TK exist.

I was playing some TF2 the other week and some guy kept harassing this kid who had one of those whiny high pitched voices. At first I think most people just ignored it, but then as they kept going back and forth, everyone muted the guy harassing the kid and told the kid to do the same.

The kid kept responding to the guy, obviously not muting him. I think most people ended up muting the kid as well at that point.

I didn't mute anyone because I found the entire thing hilarious, but the point is that there was a system in place where the kid could stop the abuse, and he kept taking it and whining about it. If he wants to keep listening, fuck em, throw your worst. I'm not saying an admin of the server shouldn't have banned the guy for being a dick, but I don't have any sympathy for the kid.

PS2 just needs systems in place to allow players to deal with abuse however they want to. Block it, report it, ignore it, or shit talk back. None of those responses are right or wrong, but bitching about it when you are provided tools to deal with it is retarded. It's the internet, so there is no avoiding it. SOE only needs to provide tools to let players deal with it on their own terms.

[LightningDriver]

There was plenty of trash talk in PS1, but serious harassment was rare and would usually result in harassers becoming the laughingstock of the community. I've been called everything from cheater & exploiter to "snarfing clambake whose mother is a cum-soaked AIDS whore". Once you start taking junk like that seriously you've lost the internet. You can no longer function there because these goons are everywhere. The solution is not to beg for more repressive community management, because that results in a closed-minded atmosphere where people get offended at the slightest remarks and then threaten you with their own indignation. The solution is to stop taking the internet seriously (something you should have never done to begin with).

You are confusing the issue, and I'm not sure if it's on purpose or not. If someone is having a bad gaming session, and calls another player a piece of poo, who really cares, they are showcasing thier bad character by giving in to frustration.

Once you get personal, I'm not talking about race/gender/religion, I mean a player has told you something about him/herself, and you throw it back in thier face, then there is a big problem. I'll give you an example. In an MMO I was playing, one guild member let it slip that he was suffering in dealing with his depression, something he said in a vunerable moment where he wasn't thinking clearly. If someone were to turn around and mock him for that, on a personal level, that is extremely bad.

As I said in a post earlier, there have been a very small number of players who have made fun of my hearing impairment. In a game like this, I have no choice to tell people since I cannot join voice chat. Just like, people cannot hide thier gender or accent. To say they are "just words on the internet" or "political correctness is taking over" is way off the mark.

[Ruffdog]

7 pages, wow.
I'll say this: trash talking - I have no problem with it. It is a mature game about simulated killing, not Sims 3. If I get called some shit, I'll sling some back maybe if the tone is only semi serious. :)

I'm not into political correctness and telling you what's what. The article was about repeated, deliberate offence of gamers. I have seen bulllying and its effect. I've seen quite strong people change into shells of their former selves until they only know paranoia and don't want to know anyone.

Anyway, having had time to think about it, if PS1 mechanics were to make a comeback, the repeat insults will not be possible in PS2. Round based, VOIP with enemies in MW yes, PS2 no.
It just needs to be plain as day for new folks to block out unwanted bullshit and hey presto we get the people seeking a place away from instances like in the article.

Auto-mute on fools after maybe 32 unique characters perform a mute on them could be a nice touch (that's more than 3 full squads, so would take more than a little coordination to cheat a system).
It says "here's our community, you're welcome, just don't fuck around."

It's invoked some debate though and I thank you.:love:

[Malorn]

These red & white TR logos need to die a horrible death.

Black and Red. Get it right.

[Toppopia]

Some responsibility is in the hands of the developers to police this stuff, and as players we have to do something, we can't sit there and say "we are being insulted.. i hate this game.." we are to be proactive and press the big shiny mute button.

You know on xbox live how you can give people ratings. I have about 52% positive/no reviews and 48% negative reviews, and they are like 50% for language, even though i never swear or trash talk, so those people are idiotic noobs that don't like that i was beating them.:lol:
Some people aye?

[Ruffdog]

Right, and then? What if someone extraordinarily gay dude shows up in a game and everyone mutes HIM because of his voice? Then he gets offended by the game mechanics to boot. What about some kid in his early puberty, whose voice keeps skipping?

The solutions:
1) Don't play Halo, because Halo is mainly played by spoiled 14-year-olds that don't get beaten enough by their parents
2) Don't use open VOIP systems that everyone can join
3) Don't join clans full of frustrated haters
4) Ignore those who frustrate you

Quite simple.
Sorry I meant auto ignore not auto mute. When a threshold is reached, the harasser cannot send tells for a period.

These red & white TR logos need to die a horrible death.

Black and Red. Get it right.

After sleep. Thanks comrade

[Elude]

Most of the sexual harassment I've seen in online games is one dude talking about raping another dudes face and how much he likes the cock. I often hear guys moaning back and forth to each other or making dick slurping sounds followed shortly by several insulting swear words.

I've seen this nonsense in just about every game I've played and PS2 will be no different.

You're going to be sexually harassed in online games the longer you play them, your gender or sexual taste is irrelevant.

[Eyeklops]

These red & white TR soldiers need to die a horrible death.

Fixed :)

[CutterJohn]

The wonderful thing about games is they have mute/ignore options. If something offends you to the point you can't tolerate it, you can just remove their opinions from your life entirely.

[Rumblepit]

best gun i had in my old clan was a girl, and i would be happy to bet my pay check that she could own 90% of the people that use this forum. nothing wrong with ladies playing video games, in fact my buddy met his wife in a game.

[Xyntech]

best gun i had in my old clan was a girl, and i would be happy to bet my pay check that she could own 90% of the people that use this forum. nothing wrong with ladies playing video games, in fact my buddy met his wife in a game.

There are some awesome girls who played Planetside. We could use as many of them as will play. Still, the internet is the internet. Obviously the community and the developers have their part to play to help foster as good an environment as possible (especially considering they are going for a T rating), but women, along with men, will always have to deal with the shitstorm that can be and often is the internet.

Also, let's not forget that women can be assholes too ;)

Equality and all of that.

[Serpent]

Those who don't understand anything at all and don't bother taking information from the other side (BBC, in this case) will stay ignorant.

People who see what they churn out, laugh at it and move on because they clearly did no alternate research and made a hugely biased article, whether they knew it or not. (Those people are us).

[Papscal]

For adults /ignore feature- done and done. Secondly if you have a child under 14 and they are being harassed in a game its your fault not the guy with potty mouth. Im pretty sick of parents that want government or society to raise their offspring.

[laelgon]

For adults /ignore feature- done and done. Secondly if you have a child under 14 and they are being harassed in a game its your fault not the guy with potty mouth. Im pretty sick of parents that want government or society to raise their offspring.

Ah, I never realized parents are responsible for the poor behavior of others as long as their child is under a certain age.:rolleyes:

[Ailos]

I have heard people yelling "I'll rape you" to both women and men over microphones in games. How is sodomizing a guy any less harassing than raping a woman?

Women do need to get over the fact that the internet is... well the internet. If they can't deal with the idea that people are not only allowed to have diarrhea of the mouth, but will exercise that right, then they need to become experts at using the /ignore command. Either that, or move to live behind the Great Firewall of China (which, BTW, censors Skype conversations).

That doesn't mean we should turn a blind eye to this, either. SOE has a big part in policing this game against those not wishing to follow rules and proper etiquette, and this includes things like hackers, extreme trolls, and those annoying 12 year olds that just can't shut up. And although to us, adults, a ban from a F2P game may not seem like a big deal, 12 year olds have such runny mouths because of all the emotions they probably have within - and to a 12 year old, a ban from a game can still kind of knock them back to reality.

And more importantly, though SOE has the last say here, we as a community are the real enforcers of the etiquette. If us, veterans watch what we say in local and broadcast chat, keep our own emotions and swearing to private channels (such as outfit comms), we help create and enforce a grown-up image of the game. It's very easy to figure out who was the annoying one when there was only one person being accused... it's quite difficult if 5 or 6 of the veterans are guilty as well.

So I imagine most of us regulars here are/will be holding leadership positions in some shape or form. Let's lead by example, not just our own outfits, but also our server's empires. This includes discouraging 12 year olds from mic-spamming local voice channels, and discouraging unnecessary insults.

[Xyntech]

I have heard people yelling "I'll rape you" to both women and men over microphones in games. How is sodomizing a guy any less harassing than raping a woman?

The difference is that raping men is funny.

[Bazilx]

Wow, you know people are excited about planetside when a thread like this is popular.

[Papscal]

Ah, I never realized parents are responsible for the poor behavior of others as long as their child is under a certain age.:rolleyes:

What parents are responsible for is knowing what a CHILD is doing and being exposed to. Or should be responsible for. Lazy parents harm children more often society. Sounds like it would suck to be your kid.:rolleyes:

[Bazilx]

And I thought two things:
1. Wow I did not know some females took that much abuse in-game,

Females? Other than the 1 exceedingly TAME addition of the "girls can't play videogames" insult they don't have to deal with anything the rest of us don't have to deal with. Which is more than compensated for by the fact that guys will be friendly to them because they are girls.

If you want to be on the internet and play competetive games, deal with what comes with it.


2. They should really give PS2 a go when it comes around. They'll see plenty of friendly faces.

I just want to burn puppies infront of you.

[Aractain]

I just want to burn puppies infront of you.

You play NC don't you?

[Salryc]

Females? Other than the 1 exceedingly TAME addition of the "girls can't play videogames" insult they don't have to deal with anything the rest of us don't have to deal with. Which is more than compensated for by the fact that guys will be friendly to them because they are girls.

If you want to be on the internet and play competetive games, deal with what comes with it.


Just have to pipe in here that I complete agree with this... and I'm a female gamer. Except for the guys being friendly just because I am female bit - that is annoying as hell.

Every insult I've ever gotten, I've heard a similar variant expressed to the guys. Want to toss out rape jokes? Yeah, just tells me that the person spewing it isn't worth listening to, and needs to be ignored. Threaten to kill me, and/or my family... you're just butt hurt because I got a good kill. Sound familiar? It's the same that everyone gets. I don't think it's a sexist thing, and I've been doing this long enough to hear it all.

[Malorn]

After sleep. Thanks comrade

If you want the TR logo to show up on a black background, put a dark grey border around the outside. It'll provide just enough offset to be clearly visible without distorting the logo itself. I did this for my phone app and it works great.

[Brusi]

The only time i would have a problem with girls/women playing games with me, is if they start telling me that i play too much or that i should be doing something more constructive.

I'm more than happy to game with the opposite sex, it's a welcome reprieve from all the non-gamer women i know!

I totally understand how much it would suck if someone told me in game that i should go get in the kitchen and make dinner. fuck, i get enough "Have you fucking taken the garbage out yet" over my shoulder from my partner!

We game to get away from this sort of shit!

[Troscus]

One time jerk-off threatens to rape you? /ignore. Same jerk-off sends tells and other means of communicating saying he's gonna rape you? Report him and let God (SOE) sort 'em out.

What parents are responsible for is knowing what a CHILD is doing and being exposed to. Or should be responsible for. Lazy parents harm children more often society. Sounds like it would suck to be your kid.:rolleyes:

Any parent that lets a child play a game like this KNOWS (or at least should know) what their child is getting in to. Lazy, inattentive parents are neck and neck with overprotective psycho Nazi parents for "worst people to be related to."

Let a tween play PS2, just tell him how shit should be handled if it happens. /ignore. No need to ban an entire age group that can be 100% able to cope with the rough and tumble environment of competitive FPS.

[Ruffdog]

I just want a hug.

And......close the thread

[p0intman]

TBH, when they say they take it seriously, most companies in my experience aren't kidding about that. One of the best people about this kind of thing is CCP, I know this from experience. They do not fuck around and from what little I know of SOE's CS people, I have no doubt that SOE takes it just as seriously.

Part of it is a social problem, however, that is inherent in shooter communities because players actively encourage it through not caring or thumbing their noses to the problem.

Crack down on the social problem, and it does just as well as any CS ticket can.

[Sabot]

This is sort of OT I guess, but I have noticed how young poeple today seem to have this false sense of security in the real world because of how they handle confrontation online. They can say whatever they want without fear of serious consequence. And it shows... ignorance and no humility what so ever. In this regard I say it's very much up to parents to teach their children how to properly act among other people, both online and in the real world... because I know I'd be scared shitless if I knew my child were acting this way while outside. One day they might upset the wrong person...

[p0intman]

This is sort of OT I guess, but I have noticed how young poeple today seem to have this false sense of security in the real world because of how they handle confrontation online. They can say whatever they want without fear of serious consequence. And it shows... ignorance and no humility what so ever. In this regard I say it's very much up to parents to teach their children how to properly act among other people, both online and in the real world... because I know I'd be scared shitless if I knew my child were acting this way while outside. One day they might upset the wrong person...

That isn't just a problem with how kids act online. Its something a lot of people refer to as the invulnerability complex. The sense of being immune from adverse things happening is not just something that happens online, its certainly showcased online because of anonymity, but it isn't just something relegated to kids who have a console or a pc or whatever. I know many perfectly reasonable college educated people who think that if they travel somewhere, they're absolutely assured to return safely, that nothing bad would ever happen.

Its scary to see when you have even a clue as to the reality of how huge the fallacy is. The thing is, it isn't exclusive to any one age group or group of people.

[Sabot]

That isn't just a problem with how kids act online. Its something a lot of people refer to as the invulnerability complex. The sense of being immune from adverse things happening is not just something that happens online, its certainly showcased online because of anonymity, but it isn't just something relegated to kids who have a console or a pc or whatever. I know many perfectly reasonable college educated people who think that if they travel somewhere, they're absolutely assured to return safely, that nothing bad would ever happen.

Its scary to see when you have even a clue as to the reality of how huge the fallacy is. The thing is, it isn't exclusive to any one age group or group of people.

Oh, no absolutely not exclusive, sorry if it sounded like I meant that only gamers were acting like fools. What I mean is, younger generations seem to be acting the fool and completely irrational in the face of human confrontation more than people that knows what some are capable of. And I think that one reason for this is because online they can often act however they want without having to look someone in the face and without consequence.

Now, by no means is that the only reason.. I don't think one pericualr activity can be blamed as the sole reason for a persons short comings.. regadless of what they might be. Just saying.... I think their regin online gives them a false sense of security. And parents have to be the solution to that.

[Pella]

I cant wait to see what V commands PS2 has.

Here are a few suggestions.

And stay down
ooohh Dear.. you lost your aim?
Ha Almost..
Your weak
Go play WoW.

I hope PS2 has some good ones, gotta love a VVB spam.

[Bazilx]

I'm a female gamer ... you're just butt hurt because I got a good kill. Sound familiar? It's the same that everyone gets. I don't think it's a sexist thing, and I've been doing this long enough to hear it all.

See? This is what I mean, we need more people like this*. And yes, I take back the bit about guys being nice to you for being a girl being a plus, I suppose the annoyance outweighs the nice-factor. Now go make me a sandwich.


*(People who agree with me)

[Meecrob]

Personally i know that if i have gay butt sex's im probably gonna get aids, same with going on XBL voice chat.

People need to be aware of the risks.

Wow that's offensive to gay people.

Anyways i agree that men don't have it any better than women when it comes to the screaming kiddo's on the internet. In this case ignore is your best friend. All we can do about this here at PSU is be the best core community any game ever had (a tall order). There will allways be annoying people that vent their own insecurities on people on the internet. Hell this happens quite alot in real life. Just be the better person and do not let them get to you.

[GhettoPrince]

I don't know what the hell you guys are talking about, the average xbox live player is 25

[xSquirtle]

I for one, encourage harassment.

[Aractain]

To be honest, at first I thought this thread was about the Harasser buggy.

[Eyeklops]

To be honest, at first I thought this thread was about the Harasser buggy.
Best post in the entire thread.

[Blackwolf]

Ok I read a couple lines from that link and had to ask... Are they getting those quotes from actual gamers? Or douche bags in disguise for the sake of ratings?

[etheral]

The BBC is funded with public money. They dont have to give a shit about ratings

On topic, Im kinda peeved that that article makes no mention of female gamers who use their gender to get attention/stuff. The BBC is usually pretty good about balanced portrayals.

[chipshop]

read some of this (TRIGGER WARNING)

http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=l8I0Wy58adM

i currently am not playin online games because this has became such a problem for me. equally to givin up bF3 not just because of how ruined the game is but because of how horrid the outspoken community is. "rape" is a joke word, homophobia and sexism is all acceptable conversation. i find it fascinatin that racism is so frowned on - the almighty N word - yet it is acceptable to hate on anythin else.

"chick" is not a good word by the way - unless you're hangin with the chicks...a little like gwyneth paltrow recently did in paris.

origin accepts gamernames with rape in the title. lets hope baserape doesn't stay.

in chat in these games when someone says somethin that is offensive i chat back "sorry i find that offensive...could you please stop"...somethin like that. sometimes (but not often enough) people apologise, more often than not they increase the talk. when i say somethin offensive i mean threats of violence, sexual violence, racism and general hate speech.

if we want to have a decent community there needs to be a zero tolerance attitude. that is how PS2 will become the genre/game/whatever changer. if in chat someone finds somethin offensive, others should not do nothin. or else that is as bad as bein a bully. and is that what you want to be?

the excuse "this is america - we have freedom of speech" argument is pathetic..it is not america..it is the internet. and the excuse "this is the internet" is equally obscene. i don't know in what context it is acceptable to bully someone because of their differences. in northern ireland there are laws against usin hate speech (that's where i live).

so i say be brave and stand up to hate and bigotry and demand SOE do the same. like seriously if in RL would you stand by?

[Eyeklops]

read some of this (TRIGGER WARNING)

http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=l8I0Wy58adM

i currently am not playin online games because this has became such a problem for me. equally to givin up bF3 not just because of how ruined the game is but because of how horrid the outspoken community is. "rape" is a joke word, homophobia and sexism is all acceptable conversation. i find it fascinatin that racism is so frowned on - the almighty N word - yet it is acceptable to hate on anythin else.

"chick" is not a good word by the way - unless you're hangin with the chicks...a little like gwyneth paltrow recently did in paris.

origin accepts gamernames with rape in the title. lets hope baserape doesn't stay.

in chat in these games when someone says somethin that is offensive i chat back "sorry i find that offensive...could you please stop"...somethin like that. sometimes (but not often enough) people apologise, more often than not they increase the talk. when i say somethin offensive i mean threats of violence, sexual violence, racism and general hate speech.

if we want to have a decent community there needs to be a zero tolerance attitude. that is how PS2 will become the genre/game/whatever changer. if in chat someone finds somethin offensive, others should not do nothin. or else that is as bad as bein a bully. and is that what you want to be?

the excuse "this is america - we have freedom of speech" argument is pathetic..it is not america..it is the internet. and the excuse "this is the internet" is equally obscene. i don't know in what context it is acceptable to bully someone because of their differences. in northern ireland there are laws against usin hate speech (that's where i live).

so i say be brave and stand up to hate and bigotry and demand SOE do the same. like seriously if in RL would you stand by?

Your skin appears so hilariously thin I bet all your guts would spill out over a simple paper cut.

[Blackwolf]

read some of this (TRIGGER WARNING)

http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=l8I0Wy58adM

i currently am not playin online games because this has became such a problem for me. equally to givin up bF3 not just because of how ruined the game is but because of how horrid the outspoken community is. "rape" is a joke word, homophobia and sexism is all acceptable conversation. i find it fascinatin that racism is so frowned on - the almighty N word - yet it is acceptable to hate on anythin else.

"chick" is not a good word by the way - unless you're hangin with the chicks...a little like gwyneth paltrow recently did in paris.

origin accepts gamernames with rape in the title. lets hope baserape doesn't stay.

in chat in these games when someone says somethin that is offensive i chat back "sorry i find that offensive...could you please stop"...somethin like that. sometimes (but not often enough) people apologise, more often than not they increase the talk. when i say somethin offensive i mean threats of violence, sexual violence, racism and general hate speech.

if we want to have a decent community there needs to be a zero tolerance attitude. that is how PS2 will become the genre/game/whatever changer. if in chat someone finds somethin offensive, others should not do nothin. or else that is as bad as bein a bully. and is that what you want to be?

the excuse "this is america - we have freedom of speech" argument is pathetic..it is not america..it is the internet. and the excuse "this is the internet" is equally obscene. i don't know in what context it is acceptable to bully someone because of their differences. in northern ireland there are laws against usin hate speech (that's where i live).

so i say be brave and stand up to hate and bigotry and demand SOE do the same. like seriously if in RL would you stand by?

Unfortunately I live by a belief that is arguably religious. That is we all have our own opinions and our own feelings. When where and how we voice them is generally up to our own discretion. And how they are interpreted is up to those who are listening. If you find someone or something offensive, ignore them. Like it or not they have a right to say and feel however they want regardless of it's target or intent. Just as you have the right to ask them to stop, or ignore them. Taking things to harshly by denying yourself access to online content is, IMO, taking it a step to far. Again it's your choice though, just not the same choice that I would make in your shoes.

Whether or not someone finds something offensive could be because it really is, or it could just be based on their current mood which can have a huge impact on their tolerance.

Likewise I understand that women might have their share of difficulties understanding male testosterone just as much as we have of understanding them. But we shit talk each other often. I agree the word rape shouldn't be tossed around, but to expect an entire world to grow up at any speed is expecting far too much.

Finally I support feminism. But I also recognize that reverse sexism is a possibility and I don't support overly sensitive individuals who have to attempt to exert their own opinions onto everyone around them.

As for the games featured in that video of yours. Games were catering to the male population because it was mostly a male thing. Since female gamers are coming out more and more, I suspect you will see a drastic decrease in games that portray sex objects rather then women. Seriously the selection presented appeared to be games more then 5 years old compared to Portal 2 which came out late last year? More games are coming out with an option of what gender the hero is going to be (Mass Effect, Oblivion, Skyrim, Fable II & III). These are all relatively new games that minimize the sex doll approach to attract gamers.

In fact most of the games that feature sexy female characters in one way or another, suck. Lower marketability and less mainstream. The fact that women are starting to buy games too means more money for the companies that make the games. Of course they are going to work towards less offensive stuff.

[chipshop]

Unfortunately I live by a belief that is arguably religious. That is we all have our own opinions and our own feelings. When where and how we voice them is generally up to our own discretion. And how they are interpreted is up to those who are listening. If you find someone or something offensive, ignore them. Like it or not they have a right to say and feel however they want regardless of it's target or intent. Just as you have the right to ask them to stop, or ignore them. Taking things to harshly by denying yourself access to online content is, IMO, taking it a step to far. Again it's your choice though, just not the same choice that I would make in your shoes.

Whether or not someone finds something offensive could be because it really is, or it could just be based on their current mood which can have a huge impact on their tolerance.

Likewise I understand that women might have their share of difficulties understanding male testosterone just as much as we have of understanding them. But we shit talk each other often. I agree the word rape shouldn't be tossed around, but to expect an entire world to grow up at any speed is expecting far too much.

Finally I support feminism. But I also recognize that reverse sexism is a possibility and I don't support overly sensitive individuals who have to attempt to exert their own opinions onto everyone around them.

As for the games featured in that video of yours. Games were catering to the male population because it was mostly a male thing. Since female gamers are coming out more and more, I suspect you will see a drastic decrease in games that portray sex objects rather then women. Seriously the selection presented appeared to be games more then 5 years old compared to Portal 2 which came out late last year? More games are coming out with an option of what gender the hero is going to be (Mass Effect, Oblivion, Skyrim, Fable II & III). These are all relatively new games that minimize the sex doll approach to attract gamers.

In fact most of the games that feature sexy female characters in one way or another, suck. Lower marketability and less mainstream. The fact that women are starting to buy games too means more money for the companies that make the games. Of course they are going to work towards less offensive stuff.

i will choose not to ignore but speak out - and as for denyin myself of online content, well there is just not a multiplayer game which interests me these days...certainly not a modern one. i guess that is my hope with PS2 and i share the fear of the OP that with the F2P mechanic it will be harsh. my suggestion is simply to have a community which says, "it is not ok to bully because of race, gender/sexuality" because its not. its not ok.

it was not so much the video i was bringin to attention but the comments on it. anyways rayman origins, bayonetta, daisy chainsaw, halo...its not all old.

and the concept of the companies releasin products which will be somehow gender neutral...i doubt it. they'll release pink games and they'll release blue games.

the fact is i have never played a MMOFPS - or a MMORPG...i just do FPS's. so i have no idea what to expect. do guilds exist where i can find like minded players...probably. does that make it OK that the majority vocal community feel it is their right to act like bigots - no.

[StumpyTheOzzie]

I wonder how many chicks will take up the VOIP in PS2.
Blokes can get a little excited when they hear a chicks voice over the comms and some can go a little overboard.
/ignore will probably work with in game chat and I suppose there will also be an option to mute people in VOIP.

They also generally feel the need to protect them. And then hit on them after saving their virtual life.

[super pretendo]

Keep your white nighting groveling male feminism out of my video game
Keep your over sensitivity out of my video game

[Saintlycow]

It's a human thing.
I swear at people when I play hockey all the time. They swear back. Same thing in a game.

However, the people who bitch at women all the time, are either trying to be cool and impress their friends, guys who live in basements and never see girls, or twelve year old using colorful language because they can.

Pro tip (for all the raging kiddies)
Girls seem to like the assholes and the jocks (and sometimes the smart quiet guys like me). Not the wifebeaters and sexists. Take that as you will

[Malorn]

That's gamer culture. They can roll with the punches or get all emo about it and paint a bigger target on their backs.

Women gamers need to understand the power they wield in the world of gaming.

The gamer culture is built around insult, trash talk, etc. That includes gender, member size, physical appearance. Women are not specifically targeted for these things. Males get them all the time too. The nature of the insults is different, but to say that women endure some terrible harassment is rather naïve. Everyone gets harassed in gamer culture, though women might be a bit more sensitive to it or not realize that males get the same treatment (though with different insults).

The interesting thing to me about women gamers is how easily they attract a swarm of male drone followers and can get what they want. Sure they mght get singled out because they're female, but they certainly have perks as well.

The griefing potential of women is higher too. Male gamers don't like getting owned by a girl. It's significantly more insulting to them than if it were a male doing the owning. That's why they might lash out after it happens. Women need to laugh that off and embrace it and have fun.

It's the culture. If they can't stand the heat they should get back into the kitchen :)

[Ratstomper]

While I think anyone who deliberately makes seriously offensive comments should be punished, we should take into account that PS2 IS a war game and violence is kinda part of it.

I'm not saying it's ever ok for someone to say someone should be raped, regardless of gender or whathaveyou, but trash talk and possible threats of violence are part of a game where you commonly kill other players. It will be important to distinguish between serious threats and people getting into the spirit of the game.

EDIT: I would like to add, though, that some common decency goes a long way. If people said some of the things to me on the street that they've said in game, they would likely be spending the evening nursing a broken nose. Important to remember that there are actual people on the other side of the internet. As a general rule, I try not to deliberately annoy people, because it serves no purpose and would make me look like an asshole. Just my 2 cents

[Goldeh]

That's gamer culture. They can roll with the punches or get all emo about it and paint a bigger target on their backs.

Women gamers need to understand the power they wield in the world of gaming.

The gamer culture is built around insult, trash talk, etc. That includes gender, member size, physical appearance. Women are not specifically targeted for these things. Males get them all the time too. The nature of the insults is different, but to say that women endure some terrible harassment is rather naïve. Everyone gets harassed in gamer culture, though women might be a bit more sensitive to it or not realize that males get the same treatment (though with different insults).

The interesting thing to me about women gamers is how easily they attract a swarm of male drone followers and can get what they want. Sure they mght get singled out because they're female, but they certainly have perks as well.

The griefing potential of women is higher too. Male gamers don't like getting owned by a girl. It's significantly more insulting to them than if it were a male doing the owning. That's why they might lash out after it happens. Women need to laugh that off and embrace it and have fun.

It's the culture. If they can't stand the heat they should get back into the kitchen :)

Gaming/ Gaming Culture wasn't built on insults. It was built on the idea of escapism. Isn't that the root of why we are all here? I know I didn't come here to fuck someones mother.. The culture you discribe, I think, is the internet culture seeping into the realm of gaming. Going "lolfagpissonurgrandmasgraverofl" isn't what gaming is about. Ever since "online gaming" became a thing, the internet, 4chan-esque sites seeped into it. But then again, one could say the internet culture is a form of escapism as well. So iunno I guess..but, I have a feeling it the "fagfaggaf etc" isn't it.

[Lord Cosine]

In all honesty the console matchmaking community is the cesspool of our video gaming culture, especially xboxlive. I wouldn't compare the two so closely. MMOs cultures are prone to the same garbage but its not anywhere as bad as consoles.

You lose a modicum of anonymity in an mmo, since players tend to see each other regularly they are less likely to ruin the reputation of their time invested character.

On the other hand I cannot vouch for low level characters, since this game will likely be f2p, the new character pool of the player base will probably be less trustworthy.

[The Kush]

read some of this (TRIGGER WARNING)

http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=l8I0Wy58adM

i currently am not playin online games because this has became such a problem for me. equally to givin up bF3 not just because of how ruined the game is but because of how horrid the outspoken community is. "rape" is a joke word, homophobia and sexism is all acceptable conversation. i find it fascinatin that racism is so frowned on - the almighty N word - yet it is acceptable to hate on anythin else.

"chick" is not a good word by the way - unless you're hangin with the chicks...a little like gwyneth paltrow recently did in paris.

origin accepts gamernames with rape in the title. lets hope baserape doesn't stay.

in chat in these games when someone says somethin that is offensive i chat back "sorry i find that offensive...could you please stop"...somethin like that. sometimes (but not often enough) people apologise, more often than not they increase the talk. when i say somethin offensive i mean threats of violence, sexual violence, racism and general hate speech.

if we want to have a decent community there needs to be a zero tolerance attitude. that is how PS2 will become the genre/game/whatever changer. if in chat someone finds somethin offensive, others should not do nothin. or else that is as bad as bein a bully. and is that what you want to be?

the excuse "this is america - we have freedom of speech" argument is pathetic..it is not america..it is the internet. and the excuse "this is the internet" is equally obscene. i don't know in what context it is acceptable to bully someone because of their differences. in northern ireland there are laws against usin hate speech (that's where i live).

so i say be brave and stand up to hate and bigotry and demand SOE do the same. like seriously if in RL would you stand by?

Is this a joke? Do you wear a diaper?

[BuzzCutPsycho]

Yeah guys... take a stand on the internet! Show those bullies what for!

[Atheosim]

Don't pretend that you don't find your e-habits occasionally sneaking into your real life habits.

[Fortress]

Well if you guys weren't a bunch of dumb ******* I wouldn't have to yell at you now would I?

[Malorn]

Come to think of it, not too long ago when I led an outfit, I had an outfit rule that we didn't accept women.

Not because they weren't good enough - some certainly were. But usually where women go drama follows. There have been very few cases that I've seen where a female member of the outfit wasn't regretted. I had shit that I never thought I'd ever have to deal with, like a married couple where the guy goes off to fight in Iraq and the wife cheats on him with another outfit member. Seriously, that happened. Twice actually, on different occasions. Then people take sides and there's this tension that you simply don't want or need in a gaming group and multiple people end up leaving.

I've had other instances where a woman causes some other form of rift in the outfit that was entirely unnecessary. Or the guys act stupid around them. Or they get distracted or try to show off. It just isn't worth the trouble and better to have a sausage fest. Women gamers in organizations are terrible distractions and as a leader they were simply a liability. I did manage to find a few that didn't cause trouble, but the males still acted differently around them.

And all of this had absolutely nothing to do with the female player's skill and abilities. It's all the bullshit that comes with them simply because they are female.

[Revelator]

Come to think of it, not too long ago when I led an outfit, I had an outfit rule that we didn't accept women.

Not because they weren't good enough - some certainly were. But usually where women go drama follows. There have been very few cases that I've seen where a female member of the outfit wasn't regretted. I had shit that I never thought I'd ever have to deal with, like a married couple where the guy goes off to fight in Iraq and the wife cheats on him with another outfit member. Seriously, that happened. Twice actually, on different occasions. Then people take sides and there's this tension that you simply don't want or need in a gaming group and multiple people end up leaving.

I've had other instances where a woman causes some other form of rift in the outfit that was entirely unnecessary. Or the guys act stupid around them. Or they get distracted or try to show off. It just isn't worth the trouble and better to have a sausage fest. Women gamers in organizations are terrible distractions and as a leader they were simply a liability. I did manage to find a few that didn't cause trouble, but the males still acted differently around them.

And all of this had absolutely nothing to do with the female player's skill and abilities. It's all the bullshit that comes with them simply because they are female.

I think this is why we see a lot of female gamers make their own clans/guilds/outfits, because a majority of them do go to gaming for the same reason we do(or at least I do) which is for fun, and to escape reality for a few hours, and not just to bring drama to the table.

[LightningDriver]

read some of this (TRIGGER WARNING)

http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=l8I0Wy58adM

i currently am not playin online games because this has became such a problem for me. equally to givin up bF3 not just because of how ruined the game is but because of how horrid the outspoken community is. "rape" is a joke word, homophobia and sexism is all acceptable conversation. i find it fascinatin that racism is so frowned on - the almighty N word - yet it is acceptable to hate on anythin else.

"chick" is not a good word by the way - unless you're hangin with the chicks...a little like gwyneth paltrow recently did in paris.

origin accepts gamernames with rape in the title. lets hope baserape doesn't stay.

in chat in these games when someone says somethin that is offensive i chat back "sorry i find that offensive...could you please stop"...somethin like that. sometimes (but not often enough) people apologise, more often than not they increase the talk. when i say somethin offensive i mean threats of violence, sexual violence, racism and general hate speech.

if we want to have a decent community there needs to be a zero tolerance attitude. that is how PS2 will become the genre/game/whatever changer. if in chat someone finds somethin offensive, others should not do nothin. or else that is as bad as bein a bully. and is that what you want to be?

the excuse "this is america - we have freedom of speech" argument is pathetic..it is not america..it is the internet. and the excuse "this is the internet" is equally obscene. i don't know in what context it is acceptable to bully someone because of their differences. in northern ireland there are laws against usin hate speech (that's where i live).

so i say be brave and stand up to hate and bigotry and demand SOE do the same. like seriously if in RL would you stand by?

Hey! I don't want to be bullied by political correctness either. I admit that I do not have the thickest skin, but that is my issue. I'm not going to throw down my gun, and sulk all the way back to the base because someone called me a name. Sure, it might sting, but whatever.

[GuyFawkes]

Im all for supporting this +1

Ive met and played with several females in different games and they , as a whole tend to be more mature, skilled and focused than the average male player.
Males then go on the offensive and become abusive to compensate for their own disabilities.
Its a male peer induced reaction in bred from generation to generation.

Companies like soe have the means via account info to take chat logs in game and do something about this kind of behavior. Setting up a cooperative cross- developer/publisher type of enforcement with other gaming creators could be a potential way to restrict future behavior.
An abusive player in future could try to create an account on a new game and become blocked from it if their IP / payment method is flagged. Just as an idea.

So many here, comment on the general attitude they perceive from communities like wow /cod and the like. Then deride said communities , in reality a bad name sticks and we tend to tar all with the same brush.

What really needs to happen is a line be drawn and behavior like that is not tolerated and has serious consequences . get rid of the problem and we make room for genuine decent players to replace the numb nuts .

edit : here in UK we have similar system for pubs , called pub watch . Someone gets out of order in one pub in an area , they get banned and all the other pubs are notified of them and banned from every pub in the area. Same needs to happen across all game publishers and formats . they cant just do off one female accusing someone simply out of spite , but since chat logs can be recorded genuine problems could be universally ironed out, or at least make it a lot harder. Then individuals with a problem may become a lot rarer.

[Brusi]

I actually wish sometimes that people wouldn't act in ways that would be deemed as unacceptable in real life while playing online games and in online communities, but only cause I’m lazy and it takes energy to constantly maintain an active bigoted bullshit filter.

If you haven’t noticed, I swear a lot and always switch off chat filter as soon as I find the check box. Still, when it comes down to it, this is exactly what chat filter and /ignore are designed for. To make it easier to filter out the fuckwitted assholes.

Generally speaking, it's everyone's responsibility to expend a certain amount of their energy making sure that they do not normalise to these things.

As Atheosim suggests... these things creep into reality and I know I personally have plenty of e-habits and carry across internet slang in my RL. Who knew that pwnd or even owned would become a word that non-gamers would use?!

On a related note... when playing Diablo 3 recently, I was slightly amused that Blizzard would filter the word dick but wouldn't filter out the word rape…

[SztEltviz]

Anytime you take it seriously you give them power over you. Laugh and let them vent it and cool down, don't get it serious, when one get killed, he's ego got hurt: Swearing can beat pain research (http://www.telegraph.co.uk/health/healthnews/8925588/Swearing-can-beat-pain-research.html)

And Ghostdog (movie):

[after Vinny shoots a policewoman]
Louie: Jesus, Vinny. You just iced a woman, you know that?
Vinny: You know what you are, Louie? You're a fuckin' male chauvinist pig.
Louie: What do you mean, I'm a male chauvinist pig? You just shot a broad.
Vinny: A cop. I just shot a cop. They wanna be equal? I made her equal.

Finally: I used to be a polite gamer like you, then I took World of Tanks to my HDD ... :(

[Axios]

Yes racism, sexism and homophobia should be stomped. There is of course a difference between 'having a joke' and just being outright rude and offensive.

i.e i dont think saying 'the Vanu are a bunch of girls' is offensive.

A decent ignore system will go a long way, especially if you can see something on your actual display like an icon next to someone's name if you have ignored them. This way you don't even have to play near them in the game world.

[Traenor]

I think that a lot of people have the wrong attitude with regards to behaviour on the internet. It is not the person getting harresed that should get a thicker skin, it is the person harresing that should shut up. I´m not saying that i expect the internet to be as clean as a political party, just that if you are playing a game, it should be possible to enjoy that without getting bigotry, sexism and hatred thrown your way. This is for both sexes, not just for women.

[Phellix]

Although I agree that some behavior is just not acceptable, (extreme racism, racist harassment, homophobic harassment, pretty much any personal attacks that you go out of your way to commit) there's always going to be those instances where people are going to rage and lash out and call you a name, troll you, ect. trying to be a badass. In those minor circumstances I don't really understand why people get so upset, this is the internet, we live in a cruel world. Turn on your mature language filter and suck it up.

This really has nothing to do with being a man or a women, unless you're using your voice nobody knows the difference and they're going to treat you the same as they would any other player until you reveal yourself. I've played with many female gamers and the only disrespect they've gotten was brought on them by themselves by creating drama.

[Axios]

read some of this (TRIGGER WARNING)

http://www.youtube.com/all_comments?v=l8I0Wy58adM

i currently am not playin online games because this has became such a problem for me. equally to givin up bF3 not just because of how ruined the game is but because of how horrid the outspoken community is. "rape" is a joke word, homophobia and sexism is all acceptable conversation. i find it fascinatin that racism is so frowned on - the almighty N word - yet it is acceptable to hate on anythin else.

"chick" is not a good word by the way - unless you're hangin with the chicks...a little like gwyneth paltrow recently did in paris.

origin accepts gamernames with rape in the title. lets hope baserape doesn't stay.

in chat in these games when someone says somethin that is offensive i chat back "sorry i find that offensive...could you please stop"...somethin like that. sometimes (but not often enough) people apologise, more often than not they increase the talk. when i say somethin offensive i mean threats of violence, sexual violence, racism and general hate speech.

if we want to have a decent community there needs to be a zero tolerance attitude. that is how PS2 will become the genre/game/whatever changer. if in chat someone finds somethin offensive, others should not do nothin. or else that is as bad as bein a bully. and is that what you want to be?

the excuse "this is america - we have freedom of speech" argument is pathetic..it is not america..it is the internet. and the excuse "this is the internet" is equally obscene. i don't know in what context it is acceptable to bully someone because of their differences. in northern ireland there are laws against usin hate speech (that's where i live).

so i say be brave and stand up to hate and bigotry and demand SOE do the same. like seriously if in RL would you stand by?

See, the difference between the real world and an online game is people are not saying these things to you face, to you, they are just trying to get a rise out of you in a virtual world.

I play BF3 a fair amount, and yes it is full of kids whining at each other like any other game. It makes them feel big, when maybe in the real world they have to look up to adults every day. For once they feel like an equal, so they abuse the privilege. I generally just ignore the chat anyway so it doesn't really bother me what they say or who about. I'm quite a good player so I'm used to a lot of abuse anyway ('you cheating ***', 'fuck you', 'you fuck your mother' etc) and sometimes even kicked or banned from servers just for winning (I have never cheated). Just take it in your stride and ignore them, they will shut up eventually. Especially if you start owning their asses (note: i didn't say rape).

rape 1 (rp)
n.
1. The crime of forcing another person to submit to sex acts, especially sexual intercourse.
2. The act of seizing and carrying off by force; abduction.
3. Abusive or improper treatment; violation: a rape of justice.
tr.v. raped, rap·ing, rapes
1. To force (another person) to submit to sex acts, especially sexual intercourse; commit rape on.
2. To seize and carry off by force.
3. To plunder or pillage.

As you can see, rape has more meanings than just sexual. When used in gaming it general just means 'thoroughly beaten' and why shouldn't it? It's almost like you're taking offence just to make a point about it.

People will isolate any minority of break from the norm in online gaming, its a sad fact and it is unlikely to change. Why even let other players know that you are female? Go for a non-descript handle and just ignore anything that is posted in chat.

If you take offence at every small thing someone types on the internet, especially if they aren't aimed directly at you then the internet is no place for you. It is un-moderatable by its very nature.

I mean really, 'asking someone to stop' ... that is just asking for it. It instantly makes you a target. Especially if you say something like 'please could you stop im a girl and i find the word rape offensive' (I realise you didn't write that but I assume that is a good example). What do you really expect to happen? its like telling a child to 'not touch' something.

[Axios]

Seriously, the best thing i heard so far was in the Extra Credits video: if someone gets muted too often, they should be automatically muted by everyone else's clients.
Eventually no one would hear them and they would either learn to behave or become lonely outcasts.
This creates a much better environment than the zero accountability one currently in place... It would mean if someone wants to be an asshat, they will have to live with the consequences just like irl.

Just read back through the posts too. This is an awesome idea. Obviously it'd take a while to kick in for people, but imagine if an entire outfit muted someone at once.

Also, if people heard about this feature when they started playing a game (lets say it crops up in a tutorial), maybe their 'invincibility complex' would be lessened a little and they would behave themselves when playing with other people that they do not know.

[Axios]

Also... who ACTUALLY uses public voice chat? I'd use outfit / squad chat but public? If someone pissed me off i'd leave the squad or outfit I was in anyway (or make them leave). Isn't this mostly a non-issue? I usually have voice dialled down in games anyway as I find it removes from the immersion when you can hear people breathing down their mic or dropping their headphones etc...

[Traenor]

I totally agree with the Axios´s post about punishment. People often spew out shit because they dont get punished for bad behaviour. With a game like PS2 where you invest a lot into progressing your character, punishment for bad behaviour should be dealt effectively to people who the general community dislike.

[Axios]

I totally agree with the above post. People often spew out shit because they dont get punished for bad behaviour. With a game like PS2 where you invest a lot into progressing your character, punishment for bad behaviour should be dealt effectively to people who the general community dislike.

You could even go as far as to 'tag' someone as disruptive. Somewhat like a leaver rating in a game like League of Legends (people quit games early on and ruin it for other because of uneven teams).

Maybe they have a disruptive 'rating' where if a lot of people have ignored them recently or they have been warned by a GM they can be put on 'probation' and their name changes colour etc. The same method could even be used for exploiters (note exploiters, not cheaters. Cheaters should be banned outright).
Think of it as being made to sit in the naughty corner, no one would want to play with you because you have been branded.

[chipshop]

See, the difference between the real world and an online game is people are not saying these things to you face, to you, they are just trying to get a rise out of you in a virtual world.

I play BF3 a fair amount, and yes it is full of kids whining at each other like any other game. It makes them feel big, when maybe in the real world they have to look up to adults every day. For once they feel like an equal, so they abuse the privilege. I generally just ignore the chat anyway so it doesn't really bother me what they say or who about. I'm quite a good player so I'm used to a lot of abuse anyway ('you cheating ***', 'fuck you', 'you fuck your mother' etc) and sometimes even kicked or banned from servers just for winning (I have never cheated). Just take it in your stride and ignore them, they will shut up eventually. Especially if you start owning their asses (note: i didn't say rape).

rape 1 (rp)
n.
1. The crime of forcing another person to submit to sex acts, especially sexual intercourse.
2. The act of seizing and carrying off by force; abduction.
3. Abusive or improper treatment; violation: a rape of justice.
tr.v. raped, rap·ing, rapes
1. To force (another person) to submit to sex acts, especially sexual intercourse; commit rape on.
2. To seize and carry off by force.
3. To plunder or pillage.

As you can see, rape has more meanings than just sexual. When used in gaming it general just means 'thoroughly beaten' and why shouldn't it? It's almost like you're taking offence just to make a point about it.

People will isolate any minority of break from the norm in online gaming, its a sad fact and it is unlikely to change. Why even let other players know that you are female? Go for a non-descript handle and just ignore anything that is posted in chat.

If you take offence at every small thing someone types on the internet, especially if they aren't aimed directly at you then the internet is no place for you. It is un-moderatable by its very nature.

I mean really, 'asking someone to stop' ... that is just asking for it. It instantly makes you a target. Especially if you say something like 'please could you stop im a girl and i find the word rape offensive' (I realise you didn't write that but I assume that is a good example). What do you really expect to happen? its like telling a child to 'not touch' something.

its how normalised the word rape has become...like baserape is just a standard term now. when its used i just wince a bit. its not great like. and yes you are right rape has other meanins than just that of sexual violence but it is the trigger which has wised me up now.

i cannot think of a good reason why someone should while playin an online game have to deal with past abuse bein triggered. and there are people who are playin online who are comin to terms with a history of abuse/trauma. in fact i wouldn't be surprised if videogames is a very likely place for people to go to feel empowerment.

i was playin red orchestra 2 the other day and there was a kid playin and a couple of folk were all like "suck my cock" "i'll gonna fuck your ass" "you'll drown in my cancerous sperm" malarchy. and the kid started with "i'm just tryin to play" "give us a chance" but eventually was sayin stuff like "you're dicks so small" or somethin like that. i found that quite funny (i mean i found it sad cause there you go another generation gonna be talkin shite like the rest of them) this idea of grown men askin children to suck their penis. i find it quite funny that online in these games it is acceptable to be a peado. really...what the feck like? its not cool to ask children to suck your penis.

my girlfriend joked to me the other day that she would be waste deep in sperm in her own sandwich shop the amount of times she been asked to make sandwiches and have ejaculation on her.

i use to do rape jokes all the time...i'd get drunk at parties with my mates and we'd have all kinds of word games where we'd replace tv show and movie titles with the word rape. "game for a laugh" would be "rape for a laugh" things like that. it could be hilarious sometimes. buffy the vampire raper. once it went too far...people took offence...fights happened - fights got broke up -people were cryin, cursin - a lot of fun was ruined. woke up the next day tryin to defend it and eventually went...fuck...that's not really funny. i don't do the rape jokes anymore.

so the thing is...regardless of its other meanins. its is never cool to threaten people with it. even when in your bedroom...on the internet. nice and safe.

i exaggerated when i said i don't play online much for the crap talk...its really cause a lot of the games frustrate me. when i have good pals to play with and some decent teamwork...sure its all craic. its the best craic.

and yeah askin someone to stop...people do you know. wouldn't you? and if it is askin for it and they don't stop...then yeah - thats when ignore comes into play. all they are doin at this point is makin wabs of themselves.

anyways TLDR i'm sure

[megamold]

i'm pretty sure there will be no public voice chat, having 100 people in 1 room talking just doesnt work and causes unnecesary lag.