The people playing the game are making the game look bad

[Dreamcast]

This is embarassing and funny....Enemies running past each other...People crashing too trees...people crashing to everything, dying.

People running around, not fighting....I guess is not their fault because they don't know how to play.



But yeah Im surprised by the lack of combat so far....People look lost.


They need to find people who how to play and fight to make the game look good...Once in a while we see good combat.



This doesn't represent the massive warfare in Planetside 1 or what we will expect in Planetside 2....


My friend who hasn't played the game is saying he expected more action and bigger battles.

[duck]

The press is playing how did you expect them to play.

TB did say that only a fraction of the total population is playing, and so the battles will be much more massive than what we're seeing on the stream.

[Dreamcast]

The press is playing how did you expect them to play.

TB did say that only a fraction of the total population is playing, and so the battles will be much more massive than what we're seeing on the stream.

I know but people expect more....This isn't good representation of the game.


It sucks for new people who don't know.

[DirtyBird]

I thought it would be worse than this.
Maybe he only has access to stream the 12 public stations setup @ E3 and not the Sony employees.

[p0intman]

Sony employees are probably at the offices, whereas he is at E3. He can't stream them because he isn't set up for it. Very simple.

[diLLa]

Every single demo presentation on E3 has this, and people should be able to look through it and see possibilities and potential.

So far it has blown me away with how good this game will be with proper players. you can just tell by looking at the gameplay provided by "noobs"

[Hamma]

It's not just a press thing - people just walked in and started playing having never played the game before. Cut them a little slack :lol:

[Goldeh]

It's not just a press thing - people just walked in and started playing having never played the game before. Cut them a little slack :lol:

That.

[IMMentat]

People suck at new computer games (its E3 not a FPS convention, everything from MMO players to adventure gamers will be there), accept it and move to concentrate on the footage where a few people know what side of the gun the bullets come out of and where to aim it.

[Jennyboo]

You have to realize most of the people playing the demo have never played Planetside before right ? :P

[Zekeen]

Ugh.... why were all the vets TR? Nothing but randoms on NC......

[Haro]

Yeah, maybe they weren't fantastic planetside players, but most people won't know that. What's more important is that the demo showed off the game pretty well, especially in alpha, and everyone they interviewed seemed to have a lot of fun. The booth got a ton of attention, lots of people played and watched, attention was acquired whore-ishly...

Overall, mission accomplished. And there will be even more tomorrow! I seriously wish I could be there, Beta needs to come soon.

[Death2All]

Yeah, there were definitely some shit people playing those games.

I was watching it wanting someone to pull a Scythe so bad so I could see how they handled. Finally, some guy pulled on and the immediately crashed into a rock. He then pulled a second Scythe, then about 10 seconds of flying straight in the air he presses the enter/exit button and falls to his death.

God damn you, whoever you are. All I wanted was to see the Scythe kill something.


Also, did the vehicles seem very squishy in general to everyone else? I noticed on a few occasions that someone would bump into a tree or a rock and bam they lost 1/5 of their armor. I'd think a tank would be a little more resilient than that. Yes I know it's still in alpha so they probably haven't tweaked all the armor values to perfection, but still.

[Graywolves]

I was actually really surprised by some of the good players I saw.

After GW2 playtests, press beta, etc. I thought everyone would be running into cliffs, trees, away from the base, into enemy staging grounds. Only saw someone not correctly identify friend from foe a few times. Well there was a lot of friendly fire too.


Thought I saw a decent amount of strong gameplay concidering none of these guys had touched the game before.

[Dreamcast]

My friend just said that the presentation of the game is horrible.


He said everbybody was suiciding and they should followed somebody who knew how to play.

[raidyr]

I thought it was hilarious myself.

[ODonnell]

It's only frustrating to watch because we all want to be playing it right now and most have no clue what Planetside actually is. As any PS1 vet knows, you can't explain Planetside, you LIVED it, and without living it, you will never understand.

[GoldDragon]

It's not just a press thing - people just walked in and started playing having never played the game before. Cut them a little slack :lol:

NEVER!!!! XD Kill dem all (Cannon fodder ftw). They'll learn quick enough at launch. :D

I was actually really surprised by some of the good players I saw.

After GW2 playtests, press beta, etc. I thought everyone would be running into cliffs, trees, away from the base, into enemy staging grounds. Only saw someone not correctly identify friend from foe a few times. Well there was a lot of friendly fire too.


Thought I saw a decent amount of strong gameplay concidering none of these guys had touched the game before.

Agreed - I have to say though there were a lot of people who just had no clue even if they were doing "okay".

Yeah, maybe they weren't fantastic planetside players, but most people won't know that. What's more important is that the demo showed off the game pretty well, especially in alpha, and everyone they interviewed seemed to have a lot of fun. The booth got a ton of attention, lots of people played and watched, attention was acquired whore-ishly...

Overall, mission accomplished. And there will be even more tomorrow! I seriously wish I could be there, Beta needs to come soon.

Not many were fantastic PS players, but then again how many Veterans did they have eh? I got a kick out of trying to figure out what shooter everyone else played based on the way they were fighting. CoD players sprinting all over the place and shooting anything that moved, BF players camping out on Ammo Drops, TF2 guys chasing the MAXes with repair guns like the TF medics on heavies. Overall a good exposure for newcomers and a comedy show for the Vets.

All in favor of getting a live stream of PS 1 vets in Beta?

[WildEagle]

It's only frustrating to watch because we all want to be playing it right now and most have no clue what Planetside actually is. As any PS1 vet knows, you can't explain Planetside, you LIVED it, and without living it, you will never understand.

Amen :clap:

[Notser]

These people are the best players to play at e3 because it shows flaws that the game has currently. Whether those flaws consist of not enough ui information, controls related to vehicles(scythe was giving them trouble) or just weird accidents that nobody who's played fps games would encounter. I'm hoping SOE is taking down all the frustration some of these newbies are having with the game and going to improve it so it is more obvious what do to and how to control some of these vehicles/classes. First impression is everything, even if the game is free there will be players who will never touch it after their first time playing it. Keep those newbies SOE!

[ODonnell]

These people are the best players to play at e3 because it shows flaws that the game has currently. Whether those flaws consist of not enough ui information, controls related to vehicles(scythe was giving them trouble) or just weird accidents that nobody who's played fps games would encounter. I'm hoping SOE is taking down all the frustration some of these newbies are having with the game and going to improve it so it is more obvious what do to and how to control some of these vehicles/classes. First impression is everything, even if the game is free there will be players who will never touch it after their first time playing it. Keep those newbies SOE!

I'm going to agree to disagree with you on the controls. If you want a new player to get hooked and learn how to fly a scythe, a vanguard or your mothers sedan, you make the experience so freaking cool looking that they WANT to master the controls. By dumbing them down you make certain maneuvers and precision not possible and by that you eliminate the separation of a good vs bad players. I worked in a gaming/lan center for years. I never saw a player turn away from a game because the controls were difficult. I saw them turn away because it wasn't their genre, or it simply was a bad game. Show a prospective player a GUNSHIP raining lead down on the battlefield and he'll salivate at the chance to do the same.

Just my 2 cents.

[Hyiero]

I got a 8 kill streak on some VS and NC scum today,they were bad. But my faith is in the right place with planetside 2 it played amazing for the demo and it really brought back the old days

[cBselfmonkey]

Noob people playing the game less then ideally is nothing new at this point. It happens like literally every game, especially the multiplayer ones. And chances are if a person was watching an E3 stream, or TBs stream, they knew that going in.

Most other people are just going to know and judge PS2 from the actual trailers. For better or worse.

[Notser]

I'm going to agree to disagree with you on the controls. If you want a new player to get hooked and learn how to fly a scythe, a vanguard or your mothers sedan, you make the experience so freaking cool looking that they WANT to master the controls. By dumbing them down you make certain maneuvers and precision not possible and by that you eliminate the separation of a good vs bad players. I worked in a gaming/lan center for years. I never saw a player turn away from a game because the controls were difficult. I saw them turn away because it wasn't their genre, or it simply was a bad game. Show a prospective player a GUNSHIP raining lead down on the battlefield and he'll salivate at the chance to do the same.

Just my 2 cents.

Never said you change the controls, you provide information to help guide players toward the correct way to fly. For example, scythe really should've had some sort of special little bit of info either by the attending employees or in the ui that it flies like a ufo or whatever. I would assume VS will need more explaining just in general since a lot of their tools are quite different.

[Malorn]

When I'm not playing with my custom mouse and controls I'm quite terrible at any game. It goes extra for conventions because inevitably every game is set up WASD and I'm an EDSF guy, AND I play with inverted Y-axis. So default controls for me are no bueno.

Also you have to consider people playing the game at E3 are just taking it in, looking around, enjoying all the hard work the map designers and art team created. I imagine I'll spend quite a lot of time in-game just looking around at things too.

Then you have the flying learning curve and all that, so yeah people are going to be pretty terrible at first, especially before they have a chance to customize controls.

[Hyiero]

How would you say performance was with many people around? The stream was laggy itself and probably only 30 FPS at best, so it's hard to judge from that.
The performance actually was really good, I didn't feel much lag at all during my play time. Didn't have popins or lag spikes at all. Also the reason most people were crashing planes is cause the mouse was auto set to inverted and I know that isn't easy for alot of people

[Hyiero]

One more question: How were the flight controls with the mouse?

MouseX = yaw, MouseY = pitch?

This is really important to me...

Yep and spacebar is the vertical thrust, which is definitely a little bit hard to get used too

[Hyiero]

One thing I really liked is infiltrators can't snipe while cloaked which was nice knowing I can Osok someone also lock on missiles don't lock on to maxs but u can free fire them but im sure customizations can change things like that

[FPClark]

THANK YOU LORD, THANK YOU.

Sorry that was necessary. For a while I feared that they were forcing yaw to the keyboard, which would have given joystick users the upper hand.

I dont see how?

I us 'a' and 'd' to yaw all my games just like most joysticks default yaw to wrist rotations or pedals (Just like in real aircraft)

I hope I can change MouseX to roll.

[Zekeen]

One thing I really liked is infiltrators can't snipe while cloaked which was nice knowing I can Osok someone also lock on missiles don't lock on to maxs but u can free fire them but im sure customizations can change things like that

Whoa, seriously? That is DEFINITELY a nice feature then, knowing we won't get cloak sniped.

How was the MAX melee? Hit hard? Knockback?

And some of us have been wondering if the Reaver/Scythe/Mosquito could have guns put in place of the rockets. See any special customization options?

[FPClark]

Because pseudo-analogue control (lack of better term) is better than digital control for aiming. Joystick users have at least 4 dimensions of pseudo-analogue control, mouse users only have 2. With a keyboard you'd have to adjust your aim with small finger taps, always being limited by how fast you can tap, and how short you can make the duration of an interrupt. With a mouse you can just move it at a controlled speed - an advantage joysticks have in at least 2 other dimensions.

Ah I really haven’t noticed a difference (I have a full flight sim setup for IL2) but in most other shooters with vehicles I have always preferred a mouse and keyboard to joystick. To each his own I guess.

[Envenom]

I'm pretty sure you can shoot while cloaked, however upon taking the shot you instantly come out of it. Can anyone confirm this?

[Hyiero]

Whoa, seriously? That is DEFINITELY a nice feature then, knowing we won't get cloak sniped.

How was the MAX melee? Hit hard? Knockback?

And some of us have been wondering if the Reaver/Scythe/Mosquito could have guns put in place of the rockets. See any special customization options?

Yep I definitely was a huge fan of finding out infiltrators can not snipe while stealthed as far as the max I didn't test it out for myself today so I'll get back to that Tom and yes they can replace rockets with guns and just let me know what customizations u want expanded on and Ill write down whatever u want to know. Bringing the iPad tom to take notes

[Hyiero]

I'm pretty sure you can shoot while cloaked, however upon taking the shot you instantly come out of it. Can anyone confirm this?

Yes unless it is a cert that I did not see, the game refused to let me fire cloaked

[Stew]

game mechanics are pretty solid but most of the time every game look like this lol !

When you look at any shooters games on gamepot , gametrailers or few others the players are BAD because its mostly a new game and it most likely some press or randoms guys who play it Not a ELITE veteran players who know everything about the game etc..


Every games look this way while been show on the show floor !

But even with these mostly BAd people playing theyre was actually some few good players ;)

people who are smart enough will get it

but thats why livecast arent representative of the game

We need some TEAM work trailers like the killzone 2 ones on a bigger scales showing class roles and Voice over IP to really represent the game !

Now on E3 is more like some few lucky can FEEL the game can experience is a little ! thats all

but i got your point ! thats true people running around do not make the game like it should be !

[Zekeen]

Yep I definitely was a huge fan of finding out infiltrators can not snipe while stealthed as far as the max I didn't test it out for myself today so I'll get back to that Tom and yes they can replace rockets with guns and just let me know what customizations u want expanded on and Ill write down whatever u want to know. Bringing the iPad tom to take notes

Haha! Great amounts of info man. You're now, like, the common man's hero (well, common PS1 vet's hero). Nevertheless, we appreciate all the info you bring back from the holy land (E3).

See if they have any guns on the Galaxy yet for me, I don't think I've seen any Galaxys with guns yet in the videos.

Oh, and make SURE you test out the weapons and stuff on VANU. Got that? Pink laser popping xenophiles. V-A-N-U.

[Hyiero]

It's np I do what I can and the vanu will die like they always do!! And I'll make sure to see what all weapons can go on the galaxy if anyone else wants me to test or go into more detail on things just let me know

[2coolforu]

It looked as if they were playing standing up, it's pretty horrible to do that because the forces in your hand are all messed up. I'd suck hard if I was playing in that position so hats off to the guys in the stream who were playing pretty damn well.

[RadarX]

This was just a demo folks, not a professional tournament.

[Zulthus]

Of all the things one could complain about.

[Dreamcast]

This was just a demo folks, not a professional tournament.

I know but two of my friends, who saw the footage weren't impressed because all they saw was people doing suicide or not being in battle.....

All though I did battles thru out the game mixed with suicides and people just walking.


I think the camera should only be on a person SOE puts in that knows how to play so new viewers interested on the game will get to see how the game is actually played.

[Razicator]

This was just a demo folks, not a professional tournament.

Just sayin, if some of us had the beta, we can do really eye-candy stuff for the demoers, even if they're not effective. Things like multiple galaxy drops, max crashes, MAX-surfing on galaxies, etc

[Hyiero]

Let's leave the profressional tournaments to the small sized fps's cause we are here. Where size matters!!!

[Raymac]

Of all the things one could complain about.

^

[SKYeXile]

The setup was pretty stupid though, probably due to lack of space; they had the screens mounted to a wall at eye-height, the keyboard and mouse on a narrow desk at normal height, and there were no chairs, so everyone was playing while standing. I just tried to play Max Payne 3 like that just to see how badly it would affect my playing, and it was horrible. Now factor in screaming cheerleaders, marketing bois and other gameshow-bobo's and it starts to look very ugly. I can't even concentrate when someone is in my room with me, let alone in a setting like that.

ya rly.

Press are typically known not the be the best players, but yea that setup was horrible, people need to cut them some slack, unless you offcourse want to stream your first session playing planetside so we can all laugh at you...if you do do that though... play from somebody else's computer while upside down though.

[Dreamcast]

Of all the things one could complain about.

This is a good thing to complain about....People interested in the game don't wanna see somebody crashing killing themselves, or walking away from the battle or just staring.

Two of my friends lost interest on the stream because of that and I don't blame them at all.


People would like to see somebody who knows how to play, playing the game....Their was a few times the camera actually went to somebody who knew how to play

[2coolforu]

This is a good thing to complain about....People interested in the game don't wanna see somebody crashing killing themselves, or walking away from the battle or just staring.

Two of my friends lost interest on the stream because of that and I don't blame them at all.


People would like to see somebody who knows how to play, playing the game....Their was a few times the camera actually went to somebody who knew how to play

Me and a few friends were in chat crying with laughter with some of the worst players. I couldn't handle it when that guy in the magrider escaped a fight with about 0.5 hitpoints and then boosted into a wall and exploded.

TB's commentary made it all the better "Cacti are overpowered, we are planning to nerf them" when the guy on the Flash hit one at full pelt.

[GreatMazinkaise]

Assuming I'm not working tomorrow I plan on taking a shot for every Laughing Jolly Roger - Stop Killing Yourself! screen I see in TB's 3PM cast.

There terribadness better not give me alcohol poisoning :D.

[Stew]

This was just a demo folks, not a professional tournament.

Even thats those people were allowed to play like whats ? 5 minute each 10 minute ? lol not enough time to really get use to the controles and game mechanics and even some of them were not great fps players !

I understand thats lol


But you guys should make some (( scrypted team work trailers )) i understand the concern of the OP

some people will look at this adn at first view they will say this game lack actions and team work etc..


But smart people will get its just a E3 demo booth and not a real Pro gaming team !

[Neurotoxin]

Flying physics are way different, so kudos to everyone who was flying around.... made it really easy for my dual-flak VS MAX to take down galaxies, liberators, mossies, and reavers. Galaxy took basically all my ammo and reloads to destroy, lib took a couple dual-firing clips, and the smaller ones were a lot easier.

I tried Heavy Assault a bit too... I was able to do alright with it. The ability to gun down a MAX with a pulsar is awfully nice (just gotta aim at the head and make every shot count) but every aircraft was loaded with countermeasures so AA with the fission was really not happening (lancer may have been better for AA). I did alright with a Magrider, took out a prowler, but I also got rammed by a prowler that I think destroyed us both.

Infil has awesome potential, but I feel like its going to be extremely limited without the certs unlocked. I felt like I was walking around with a big "shoot me" sign when I was uncloaked in the field (which was most of the time) and the inability to use any rifle aside from the sniper was kinda annoying, because it was 90% vehicle combat and 1/3 the infantry was in MAX suits.

Anyhow, don't fret about the quality of players on the streams. Between people seeing PS for the first time, and job-headed suits that are impressed by anything pretty regardless of their ability, the lack of keymapping familiarity (some things are moved around), and the lack of Light Assault users dropping ammo for other classes, the streams aren't going to contain the best gameplay.

Also, the internet was kinda shaky all day. Not for SOE specifically, but for all of E3.

[Zulthus]

This is a good thing to complain about....People interested in the game don't wanna see somebody crashing killing themselves, or walking away from the battle or just staring.

Two of my friends lost interest on the stream because of that and I don't blame them at all.


People would like to see somebody who knows how to play, playing the game....Their was a few times the camera actually went to somebody who knew how to play

If something like that turns them off from the game, then I don't want them anyway. A game should be judged on the content it has to offer, not how badly someone sucks at playing it. Ask them, would they prefer any footage or no footage at all? I can guarantee every one of you that us 'vets' would be fumbling around like retards our first time too. This is a different game and we're all going to have to relearn things.

[Lonehunter]

I still think the devs playing from the studio should organize some Gal drops and TB should follow their perspective.

[duomaxwl]

If something like that turns them off from the game, then I don't want them anyway. A game should be judged on the content it has to offer, not how badly someone sucks at playing it. Ask them, would they prefer any footage or no footage at all?

I agree with Zulthus on this.
If they judge a game on press people who are playing at a conference, than I really could care less if they ever play.


I still think the devs playing from the studio should organize some Gal drops and TB should follow their perspective.

They couldn't do that. They weren't streaming from the studio, just from the e3 computers.

[RNFB]

(lancer may have been better for AA)

The Lancer is in!?

[Kaw]

If something like that turns them off from the game, then I don't want them anyway. A game should be judged on the content it has to offer, not how badly someone sucks at playing it. Ask them, would they prefer any footage or no footage at all? I can guarantee every one of you that us 'vets' would be fumbling around like retards our first time too. This is a different game and we're all going to have to relearn things.

The problem is somebody with no Planetside background who watched today's footage would assume the game is being published by a suicide prevention hotline. Half the stream was spent on the screen that says "Stop killing yourself". That isn't the sort of thing that gets people excited about the game.

[2coolforu]

The problem is somebody with no Planetside background who watched today's footage would assume the game is being published by a suicide prevention hotline. Half the stream was spent on the screen that says "Stop killing yourself". That isn't the sort of thing that gets people excited about the game.

Every time 'Stop Killing Yourself' shows up, Higby and TB have to do a shot of gin.

It can only end up in win.

Bonus Round: Every time someone crashes an aircraft clegg pounds down a beer.

[Dreamcast]

Assuming I'm not working tomorrow I plan on taking a shot for every Laughing Jolly Roger - Stop Killing Yourself! screen I see in TB's 3PM cast.

There terribadness better not give me alcohol poisoning :D.

That will make a great drinking game

Me and a few friends were in chat crying with laughter with some of the worst players. I couldn't handle it when that guy in the magrider escaped a fight with about 0.5 hitpoints and then boosted into a wall and exploded.

TB's commentary made it all the better "Cacti are overpowered, we are planning to nerf them" when the guy on the Flash hit one at full pelt.

Yeah it was hilarious seeing the way people died.

If something like that turns them off from the game, then I don't want them anyway. A game should be judged on the content it has to offer, not how badly someone sucks at playing it. Ask them, would they prefer any footage or no footage at all? I can guarantee every one of you that us 'vets' would be fumbling around like retards our first time too. This is a different game and we're all going to have to relearn things.


Well the thing is...Is natural for people to be turned off by footage like that.,,they want to see how the game plays...not people killing themselves


and the thing is SOE could of prevent it by Following Good SOE players who had experience in the game, showing off the actual mechanics of the game, killing new players.


I understand that new players can't be great but thats why cameras shouldn't follow new players.

[Kaw]

Every time 'Stop Killing Yourself' shows up, Higby and TB have to do a shot of gin.

It can only end up in win.

Bonus Round: Every time someone crashes an aircraft clegg pounds down a beer.

THIS is how get people to watch your stream.

[maradine]

The problem is somebody with no Planetside background who watched today's footage would assume the game is being published by a suicide prevention hotline. Half the stream was spent on the screen that says "Stop killing yourself". That isn't the sort of thing that gets people excited about the game.

I think anyone that's spent 5 minutes on a trade show floor will be forgiving. It really wasn't that bad. Honestly, people would just as soon argue that a synthetic show-and-tell with all devs would be pointless and unappealing.

Actual jerks off the floor played actual PS2, and it looked pretty damn spectacular.

[Haro]

Regardless of whether or not the stream was overall good or bad (I believe the former, strongly, for the record) I'm not really sure how they could have done this any differently. The demo's main purpose, believe it or not, was to be played. That's why it's called a demo. A game journalist playing, experiencing, and having fun with the game is a lot more important than what some people feel experiencing the stream. The stream had thousands of people watching it, but journalists writing about the game can put it on the radar for far more, possibly millions.

Also, it's not selling the stream, it's not even really selling the game all that much. Nothing to sell. It's trying to build up awareness. Even if someone viewing it walked away from the stream (totally understandable, it did go on for two hours, and I find you can only have so much fun watching other people play games, more often than not) they still know about planetside. Even if they didn't like the stream, as long as the are at least interested in the concepts behind it, then they will likely come back, since it is free to play. If the quality of the footage was make or break for them, then I honestly don't see how the game itself would appeal that much.

Also, it's not like this is the end-all demonstration, like they show this and that's it until release. Far from it, this was really more like Planetside 2's real debut. In alpha. There's going to be a beta, there will be more footage that provides an even better picture of the game. There are plenty of opportunities to attract players, and most of the feedback I've seen for this stream has been pretty positive, and the people interviewed there seemed very interested. Overall, I'd call that a success.

[Graywolves]

Just sayin, if some of us had the beta, we can do really eye-candy stuff for the demoers, even if they're not effective. Things like multiple galaxy drops, max crashes, MAX-surfing on galaxies, etc

Yeah new players really need to see that coordinated play which is where the coolest stuff happens.

[Dreamcast]

Regardless of whether or not the stream was overall good or bad (I believe the former, strongly, for the record) I'm not really sure how they could have done this any differently. The demo's main purpose, believe it or not, was to be played. That's why it's called a demo. A game journalist playing, experiencing, and having fun with the game is a lot more important than what some people feel experiencing the stream. The stream had thousands of people watching it, but journalists writing about the game can put it on the radar for far more, possibly millions.

Also, it's not selling the stream, it's not even really selling the game all that much. Nothing to sell. It's trying to build up awareness. Even if someone viewing it walked away from the stream (totally understandable, it did go on for two hours, and I find you can only have so much fun watching other people play games, more often than not) they still know about planetside. Even if they didn't like the stream, as long as the are at least interested in the concepts behind it, then they will likely come back, since it is free to play. If the quality of the footage was make or break for them, then I honestly don't see how the game itself would appeal that much.

Also, it's not like this is the end-all demonstration, like they show this and that's it until release. Far from it, this was really more like Planetside 2's real debut. In alpha. There's going to be a beta, there will be more footage that provides an even better picture of the game. There are plenty of opportunities to attract players, and most of the feedback I've seen for this stream has been pretty positive, and the people interviewed there seemed very interested. Overall, I'd call that a success.

Well the camera should of just followed Experience SOE players who know how to play and show how the game is played.


Following those players owning new players, will be more interesting since it would cut on a lot of suicides

[Timealude]

Flying physics are way different, so kudos to everyone who was flying around.... made it really easy for my dual-flak VS MAX to take down galaxies, liberators, mossies, and reavers. Galaxy took basically all my ammo and reloads to destroy, lib took a couple dual-firing clips, and the smaller ones were a lot easier.

I tried Heavy Assault a bit too... I was able to do alright with it. The ability to gun down a MAX with a pulsar is awfully nice (just gotta aim at the head and make every shot count) but every aircraft was loaded with countermeasures so AA with the fission was really not happening (lancer may have been better for AA). I did alright with a Magrider, took out a prowler, but I also got rammed by a prowler that I think destroyed us both.

Infil has awesome potential, but I feel like its going to be extremely limited without the certs unlocked. I felt like I was walking around with a big "shoot me" sign when I was uncloaked in the field (which was most of the time) and the inability to use any rifle aside from the sniper was kinda annoying, because it was 90% vehicle combat and 1/3 the infantry was in MAX suits.

Anyhow, don't fret about the quality of players on the streams. Between people seeing PS for the first time, and job-headed suits that are impressed by anything pretty regardless of their ability, the lack of keymapping familiarity (some things are moved around), and the lack of Light Assault users dropping ammo for other classes, the streams aren't going to contain the best gameplay.

Also, the internet was kinda shaky all day. Not for SOE specifically, but for all of E3.

im glad to hear that galaxies seem tougher now then in ps1 :love:

[GunslingerX]

Yeah new players really need to see that coordinated play which is where the coolest stuff happens.

TotalBiscuit just tweeted that they've asked SOE players to do somethin a bit more organized to scare the booth goers during tomorrows live stream.

[Crovus]

Umm, you guys that are complaining about how the players looked today aren't going to like whats in store for them tomorrow.

[Notser]

Highlights of stream was the team that used the liberator over the base, pretty sick players who really worked together well to rain down damage. Also loved the tr max team that was roaming and killing a ton together. Early on in the stream a light assault was jumping around like crazy and giving enemies the slip, very entertaining. None of the infiltrators, medics, or heavy assault were notable from the stream.

[Neurotoxin]

The Lancer is in!?
No, sorry to get your hopes up. I'm saying that, with everyone using flares in their aircraft, I can't get a single missile lock to connect as Heavy Assault. I understand that the rate of fire for me is faster than their flares recharge, but I still don't have the muscle memory to immediately break lock and reload after firing a locked shot (stay zoomed in and you'll never stop to reload), plus there's tons of cover they can use to hide from AA. No lancer, just a situation where I'd use one. :)

[Rarity]

I know but people expect more....This isn't good representation of the game.


It sucks for new people who don't know.

I'm new, having never played PS1 and I can tell just fine..
Everyone knows press suck at gaming, and can discern from TB/Others saying this is only a fraction of what will be happening that the game will indeed be much better when in beta/release

[Dreamcast]

I'm new, having never played PS1 and I can tell just fine..
Everyone knows press suck at gaming, and can discern from TB/Others saying this is only a fraction of what will be happening that the game will indeed be much better when in beta/release

Even if everybody knows the press suck at gaming which I doubt that everybody knows BTW.....People won't to watch gameplay consisting of suicides, walkiing around finding nobody, and standing around.


Nobody wants to see that.


Justify it all you want, but people want to see real game play of people that know what they are doing.

[Death2All]

Even if everybody knows the press suck at gaming which I doubt that everybody knows BTW.....People won't to watch gameplay consisting of suicides, walkiing around finding nobody, and standing around.


Nobody wants to see that.


Justify it all you want, but people want to see real game play of people that know what they are doing.

There were a lot of segments that showcased a lot of great gameplay. There was a lot fumbling around with controls and crashing into cliffs, but I don't think people are going to fixate on that as the basis of their opinion of the entire game. People are dumb, but I give them a little more credit when it comes to discerning one person's misadventures through a game they don't understand, and what reflects the game as a whole.


If someone is really that dumb that they take in someone crashing into a mountain as a reflection of the entire game and they won't play as a result of that, then good riddens. They sound like a dumbass.

[GreatMazinkaise]

Well, hopefully tomorrow Team SOE will bring some Heavy Assault to the fight. In that whole vid I only saw one guy tossing rockets at a MAX.

[Winfernal]

I don't get why they decided to show a 3 cap. point base. It looked like an ordinary FPS for new people.......

[Straws]

I know but two of my friends, who saw the footage weren't impressed because all they saw was people doing suicide or not being in battle.....

Judging a product based on how other people play it....keep your friends away from the professional side of the games industry please.

Yeah, crappy comment, I know, but you're being outwardly confrontational in this thread and honestly don't deserve an open dialogue. With anyone.

E3 is an INDUSTRY showcase, not a gamer showcase. It's rapidly become the place to show off new tech. It looks like what you're looking for it the thing that PAX offers the gaming industry.

[Raka Maru]

I saw some awesome players getting multiple kills before they were taken out. I knew most of the other players didn't know what they were doing. There was team killing, bad driving, misuse of weapons, etc... I think TB was great with the commentaries about these fubar moments.

[Dreamcast]

There were a lot of segments that showcased a lot of great gameplay. There was a lot fumbling around with controls and crashing into cliffs, but I don't think people are going to fixate on that as the basis of their opinion of the entire game. People are dumb, but I give them a little more credit when it comes to discerning one person's misadventures through a game they don't understand, and what reflects the game as a whole.


If someone is really that dumb that they take in someone crashing into a mountain as a reflection of the entire game and they won't play as a result of that, then good riddens. They sound like a dumbass.

Im not saying the players should now how to play or that they should discriminate against n00bs and not let them play....

Im saying the cameras should follow SOE experience players who have played for a while so we can see some proper gameplay.



As for people thinking suiciding is the whole game...Obviously not, but arn't these gameplay videos suppose to show the viewer how the game is going to be?.......Why would somebody keep looking at a video where people just suicide?.......This video is to hype people up and is hard to hype people up with people suiciding or to even stay and watch.



Judging a product based on how other people play it....keep your friends away from the professional side of the games industry please.

Yeah, crappy comment, I know, but you're being outwardly confrontational in this thread and honestly don't deserve an open dialogue. With anyone.

E3 is an INDUSTRY showcase, not a gamer showcase. It's rapidly become the place to show off new tech. It looks like what you're looking for it the thing that PAX offers the gaming industry.

My friends didn't say "I'm not gonna get the game since is about suicide"...So yeah, stop lying.

They didn't like watching videos of people not knowing what they are doing.....Seems like a logical thing....Most people don't like seeing others crash into catus tree or canyons in videogames..

My friends wanted to see real gameplay footage which some were shown to be fair but a lot of it was people walking around or killing themselves.


I know is E3 and is too show off the game...Im not saying to not let people who suck at videogames not play or to kick them off if they suck....I'm saying the camera should follow SOE experienced players to show off the game to new fans.


As for me being confrontational...I don't feel like I am, just trying to add some perspective.

[NCLynx]

Who's to say people (even people who haven't played the original Planetside) aren't saying to themselves the same thing? It's not uncommon to watch someone fly into a wall and think "Oh man haha what a noob I could do way better".

Them thinking that would certainly not mean they're getting an impression of the game that would deter them from playing, in fact, it would mean they're anticipating its arrival that much more.

[Dreamcast]

Who's to say people (even people who haven't played the original Planetside) aren't saying to themselves the same thing? It's not uncommon to watch someone fly into a wall and think "Oh man haha what a noob I could do way better".

Them thinking that would certainly not mean they're getting an impression of the game that would deter them from playing, in fact, it would mean they're anticipating its arrival that much more.

I bet some of them are saying that....


While saying I expected great footage of Planetside gameplay, not people running into canyons.

[Bags]

dunno, all my non-ps1 vet friends thought the stream was hilarious and awesome.

[Gonefshn]

It was a totalbiscuit commentated stream. I think the way he handled the poor players actions with humor will really help soften it up. Anyone who watches his stuff will understand that those problems are based on bad playing not the game.

I thought the stream was just awesome, a joy to watch! It ran smoothly too thats looking good for the quality of gameplay with a larger group!

Honestly IDK why but it seemed like the quality of players improved as time went on, the second hour was far more compelling and by the end It seemed like the majority of the people they streamed were doing quite well! The graphics alone will sell this game at E3.

[Bags]

Had way too many maxes as time went on though, got rather boring.

[GreatMazinkaise]

Had way too many maxes as time went on though, got rather boring.

Not terribly surprising as MAXs have always had the shallowest learning curve in game. Too bad their counter went unrealized by most of the players.

[Bags]

Yeah, they were like... MOAR MAXES!

[Xyntech]

Saying that people want to see good players showing off a game is fine for some post release game, or something like a "Let's Play" on youtube. It's pitiful that people post videos of themselves "showcasing a game" when they suck so bad at it.

But this is a game with next to no footage out there, a least not of actual battles. Seeing anything is good, even if the players are bad.

This is similar to the whole "the game is in alpha, moron" situation, where there are people complaining about trivial shit that doesn't actually matter because the game isn't finished yet. In this case, the game is being played by people who can't possibly have any experience with it, in an environment that isn't ideal for gamingr. If you or any of your friends can't deal with that, then wait for some gameplay trailers or for some quality players to make some footage during beta.

People really need to stop showing this game to their idiotic friends. Show them when it's closer to completion. Friends are friends, there's nothing wrong with that, but you should know by now which of your friends are retards and just spoon feed them the best of the best if you want them to be interested in Planetside 2.

[Dreamcast]

Saying that people want to see good players showing off a game is fine for some post release game, or something like a "Let's Play" on youtube. It's pitiful that people post videos of themselves "showcasing a game" when they suck so bad at it.

But this is a game with next to no footage out there, a least not of actual battles. Seeing anything is good, even if the players are bad.

This is similar to the whole "the game is in alpha, moron" situation, where there are people complaining about trivial shit that doesn't actually matter because the game isn't finished yet. In this case, the game is being played by people who can't possibly have any experience with it, in an environment that isn't ideal for gamingr. If you or any of your friends can't deal with that, then wait for some gameplay trailers or for some quality players to make some footage during beta.

People really need to stop showing this game to their idiotic friends. Show them when it's closer to completion. Friends are friends, there's nothing wrong with that, but you should know by now which of your friends are retards and just spoon feed them the best of the best if you want them to be interested in Planetside 2.

Well they don't have to be "good" players but just players that know what they are doing.....Which is pretty much SOE tester...

What Im saying is, the camera should follow those SOE testers, not some new guy who does suicide.

People just wanted to see people playing the game properly...Not much to ask at all...Nobody is saying to discriminate against new players playing Planetside 2 but Im saying to follow SOE testers who know how to play.


Nobody wants to see people suicide...regardless of ur "any footage is good" philosophy....I like seeing the game because I am a planetside vet but other people who don't know much about the game wanted to see something more meaningful than guys doing suicide.


and my friends didn't say "This game is about suicide brb not gonna get Planetside 2" like ur making it out to be...They just don't like n00b people staring,suiciding, being no way near action....seems logical to me.

[sylphaen]

The bad players are a great showcase of what good players can do and what potential the game has.

When that TR guy creamed 3 NC MAXes in 30 seconds, I was amazed. Same with those 3 VS in the lib who were terrorizing the CY and their driver who flew a low height to let them bail when the lib was badly damaged.

[captainkapautz]

When that TR guy creamed 3 NC MAXes in 30 seconds, I was amazed.

That guy was frickin boss.

[Heaven]

Everyone will get better with practice and more experience of playing the game, you cant expect someone to go right over to a game start playing and be the master of it, no way. Plus alot of the people at E3 were acctually standing while trying to play the game, now to me standing while playing a game is not comfortable at all and will probably cut you skills down largly tbh.

[ParisTeta]

TB seems to have twitted that they show more organized work from the Dev Team, way to go, i think a good mix would be fine. It is quite frustrating to see a Scythe suicide into a rock after 10 seconds, but those holes are to fill up by the devs.

Still, these are new players out there, expierence the game, also the enviroment is quite different.

a) Very close space for demo purpose
- lot of carnage
- hard Situational Awareness for new player
- Not much space for aircrafts to manouver

b) MAXes + Vehicles

c) mostly Solo play

Yes it was more arena gameplay most of the time.

Suggestion: Maybe for the last day, they can organize a little scenario for both side, with players and dev?

[Masahiko]

Every mmo starts off this way with a massive zerg of people running around attacking anything that moves. For the vets its going to be a shooting gallery (which i will personally enjoy).

When the streams come of the better organization it will be a thing to behold but for now getting the word out about Good graphics, and open world FPS is what its about. As for people not wanting to play because of this, Id remind them its free its alpha and (NDA Permitting) youll be able to show them beta and how it should be done.

Edit: This also may be why they didnt want to let vets in, since we would be far more organized and turn people off the game :P

Nothing turns people off more than getting horribly crushed in a game.

[kaffis]

Im saying the cameras should follow SOE experience players who have played for a while so we can see some proper gameplay.
And it's great to say this, but...

The SOE experienced players aren't at E3, and the SOE reps who are at E3 have other duties like talking to press and attendees about the game. The streaming setup is at E3. You can't stream footage from stuff that's not local -- you can tell how their streaming setup is working by noting the display information that gets overlaid in the upper left corner when they switch feeds. It looks like they've got the outputs from the individual stations fed through video splitters, which feed their own monitor and then also a video switcher whose output is apparently going to the streaming rig.

Thus, you need to be local for them to stream you.

That said, yeah -- a lot of players weren't very well clued in. Total Biscuit, Clegg, and PurrfectStorm were doing a good job of making light of the worst moments of the blatant bad play, and switching the feed to new players when it became apparent that the current person was either utterly lost, running from the action, or terribly outclassed by basic tasks like controlling their vehicle.

And that's the best way to handle it, IMO. We get a bit of humor injected, and get to see a wide range of skills and activities.

[maskedskull]

As someone who had basically no experince in PS1 beyond a few sessions during the year trial period on a PC that could barely run it, I thought the stream was very enjoyable and I understand that A: It is Alpha and B: Not everybody will know what they are doing during what I believe is the first public demo of the game. And honestly, I didn't mind seeing players 'failing' as it makes me feel better than I may not be very good to start with and it isn't simply a case of me sucking hard.

[Bobby Shaftoe]

Nobody wants to see that.


Justify it

Omg, stop being a PS1 elitist...

I believe that's the line you like to use when someone says something was better in PS1 than in PS2, why shouldn't we be consistent with the player base?

Oh and it's fun watching the newbs crashing in aircraft and seeing some proper interaction with terrain now instead of like in PS1 just bouncing off things or the physics spazzing out.

Just because you're not seeing interesting things doesn't mean everyone else isn't.

[Dreamcast]

And it's great to say this, but...

The SOE experienced players aren't at E3, and the SOE reps who are at E3 have other duties like talking to press and attendees about the game. The streaming setup is at E3. You can't stream footage from stuff that's not local -- you can tell how their streaming setup is working by noting the display information that gets overlaid in the upper left corner when they switch feeds. It looks like they've got the outputs from the individual stations fed through video splitters, which feed their own monitor and then also a video switcher whose output is apparently going to the streaming rig.

Thus, you need to be local for them to stream you.

That said, yeah -- a lot of players weren't very well clued in. Total Biscuit, Clegg, and PurrfectStorm were doing a good job of making light of the worst moments of the blatant bad play, and switching the feed to new players when it became apparent that the current person was either utterly lost, running from the action, or terribly outclassed by basic tasks like controlling their vehicle.

And that's the best way to handle it, IMO. We get a bit of humor injected, and get to see a wide range of skills and activities.

I thought they could just get some SOE testers their to get like 3 pc's to play the game...that will be enough

Im not asking for higby to be playing the game, Im sure he has a lot of questions to answer:D

Omg, stop being a PS1 elitist...

I believe that's the line you like to use when someone says something was better in PS1 than in PS2, why shouldn't we be consistent with the player base?

Oh and it's fun watching the newbs crashing in aircraft and seeing some proper interaction with terrain now instead of like in PS1 just bouncing off things or the physics spazzing out.

Just because you're not seeing interesting things doesn't mean everyone else isn't.

Im glad u enjoy people killing themselves.


Unfortunately some new players want to see some good footage of Planetside 2.


Is ok Planetside elitist, doubt u will understand.