Reopen PS1 trials?

[xSquirtle]

With PS2 only a few weeks/months away from beta, whats everyone's take on re-opening trials to Planetside?

I can already hear the screaming from veterans all around. Listen, no other game on SOE's roster has taken such a beating from hackers more than Planetside has. I been playing this game for far to long to know this. I've seen populations drop so badly, where there was only 18 players in the total game, if not less!

With PS2 around the corner, why not allow people to get familiarize with the original Planetside and to understand the three empire's and weapon concepts that made Planetside such a killer game to begin with?

Of course this would require SOE to highly enforce their customer service responses. They have on one hand, been doing a semi decent job since the hacker break out; dealing with customer inquiries. So its something to take into consideration. Not to mention, this could test SOE on a small scale, of whether or not they truly can police Planetside correctly.

[Goku]

I don't want the trials opened back up. PS isn't going to be a good representation of what PS2 is going to be. Plus with the amount of hackers that possibility will be floating around with those will make it look even worse.

[p0intman]

no.

[Effective]

No, last thing we need to give is bad impression for PS2 by plaguing the game with blatant trial account hackers

[Hosp]

While i wouldnt mind the extra players, the hackers wouldnt be worth it.

[xSquirtle]

The problem is that people are turning down the re-opening of trails because of hackers. Yet PS2 is going to be F2P, if SOE can't control a small segment of players in Planetside then why should they even bother with PS2?

Do you not have faith with-in SOE?

[Goku]

Not a matter of trusting SOE with this at all. PS1 is dead. I don't want them having to put any more resources into that game be it CSR or Development. With PS2 SOE is actually putting in precautions to help with hacking plus having the proper CSR response.

[p0intman]

The problem is that people are turning down the re-opening of trails because of hackers. Yet PS2 is going to be F2P, if SOE can't control a small segment of players in Planetside then why should they even bother with PS2?


No. Negative. Negatory. How hard was it for you to understand my reply?

no/nō/
Adjective:
Not any: "there is no excuse".

Exclamation:
Used to give a negative response: "“Is anything wrong?” “No.”".

Adverb:
Not at all; to no extent: "they were no more able to perform the task than I was".

Noun:
A negative answer or decision, as in voting.

Synonyms:
adjective. any - none - neither
adverb. not - nope
noun. negative - denial - nay - refusal - negation - rejection

You don't know what you're talking about, thus the answer of "no". Its very simple.

[xSquirtle]

No. Negative. Negatory. How hard was it for you to understand my reply?

no/nō/
Adjective:
Not any: "there is no excuse".

Exclamation:
Used to give a negative response: "“Is anything wrong?” “No.”".

Adverb:
Not at all; to no extent: "they were no more able to perform the task than I was".

Noun:
A negative answer or decision, as in voting.

Synonyms:
adjective. any - none - neither
adverb. not - nope
noun. negative - denial - nay - refusal - negation - rejection

You don't know what you're talking about, thus the answer of "no". Its very simple.

yes

adverb
1.
(used to express affirmation or assent or to mark the addition of something emphasizing and amplifying a previous statement): Do you want that? Yes, I do.
2.
(used to express an emphatic contradiction of a previously negative statement or command): Don't do that! Oh, yes I will!
3.
(used, usually interrogatively, to express hesitation, uncertainty, curiosity, etc.): “Yes?” he said as he opened the door. That was a marvelous show! Yes?
4.
(used to express polite or minimal interest or attention.)
noun
5.
an affirmative reply.
verb (used with object)
6.
to give an affirmative reply to; give assent or approval to.
interjection
7.
(used as a strong expression of joy, pleasure, or approval.)
Origin:
before 900; Middle English yes, yis, Old English gēse (adv. and noun), probably equivalent to gēa yea + sī be it (present subjunctive singular of bēon to be)

I can use dictionary.com too.

[p0intman]

yes

adverb
1.
(used to express affirmation or assent or to mark the addition of something emphasizing and amplifying a previous statement): Do you want that? Yes, I do.
2.
(used to express an emphatic contradiction of a previously negative statement or command): Don't do that! Oh, yes I will!
3.
(used, usually interrogatively, to express hesitation, uncertainty, curiosity, etc.): “Yes?” he said as he opened the door. That was a marvelous show! Yes?
4.
(used to express polite or minimal interest or attention.)
noun
5.
an affirmative reply.
verb (used with object)
6.
to give an affirmative reply to; give assent or approval to.
interjection
7.
(used as a strong expression of joy, pleasure, or approval.)
Origin:
before 900; Middle English yes, yis, Old English gēse (adv. and noun), probably equivalent to gēa yea + sī be it (present subjunctive singular of bēon to be)

I can use dictionary.com too.

The difference is that I know what I'm talking about and have actually witnessed the effect of the hackers that free trials opened up and you don't know what you're talking about. Thus, my opinion is more informed than yours is.

also with inflection as seen here:
NO!! - YouTube

or with comedy?
how about no! - YouTube
or with snakes?
Enough is enough! - YouTube

Or as Korn put it, FUCK THAT
Korn Fuck that [Y'all want a single] (lyrics) Great sound - YouTube

Or as the Soup Nazi famously said,
Seinfeld - Soup Nazi - No Soup For You - YouTube

[xSquirtle]

I don't know what I'm talking about? Have you not read the beginning of this thread? Your logic is awful and should be noted that the next game is going beyond a simple trial system that you fear so much. How about you give some substance rather then to spam my thread with your irrational thinking process.:rolleyes:

[p0intman]

I don't know what I'm talking about? Have you not read the beginning of this thread? Your logic is awful and should be noted that the next game is going beyond a simple trial system that you fear so much. How about you give some substance rather then to spam my thread with your irrational thinking process.:rolleyes:
I've stated my opposition to that as well, I know quite well that its going beyond it. If you are unwilling to listen, I will tell you that you are in for an immense and quite rude awakening when PS2 goes live. There are legions of PS1 players that have quit PS1 because of what the trials brought on.

Again. You are wrong. Factually incorrect. The trials should not be opened back up. There isn't even room for discussion on it. If SOE thought it to be a good idea, it would have been done already. The fact that you persist tells me that you didn't see the effect of it.

This is as crystal clear as 2+2 equaling 4.

[Windmill]

I've stated my opposition to that as well, I know quite well that its going beyond it. If you are unwilling to listen, I will tell you that you are in for an immense and quite rude awakening when PS2 goes live. There are legions of PS1 players that have quit PS1 because of what the trials brought on.

Again. You are wrong. Factually incorrect. The trials should not be opened back up. There isn't even room for discussion on it. If SOE thought it to be a good idea, it would have been done already. The fact that you persist tells me that you didn't see the effect of it.

This is as crystal clear as 2+2 equaling 4.

You're saying that his opinion is "factually incorrect." That pretty much discredits everything you've said up until this point. You may or may not have had more experience than the OP in PS1 which brought you to a more informed decision than the OP. Just because you decided this doesn't make it objective. You're mistaking subjectivity for objectivity and are making a disproportionate amount of assertions without much backing them up.

I suggest you learn how to have a levelheaded discussion without attempting condescension, and maybe then people will take you half seriously.

I would like to try out PS1 if not to just see what made so many people like the game.

[p0intman]

OK, Since you still persist I'll spell it out once more.

Before the trials, hundreds of people played each day, we even achieved cont locks. After it though? You're lucky to get 60 people on each side on the continent. We had a cont lock a few months ago, but its exceedingly rare. Rarer than before.

The cons far outweigh anything good that could come from it. You are incorrect. There is no other way to put it. Before the trials, quite a number of larger outfits existed.. these days it AT, Blue Lions and the TR zerg at one base.

[Windmill]

Hahaha. I guess he can't or just refuses to comprehend what a subjective opinion is. You make interesting points but don't really seem to understand that you can't disprove someone's opinion. That's why it's an opinion. If you want to keep spewing out a blob half formulated condescension to fuel your pseudo-intellectual and/or superiority complex, go right ahead, but don't expect people to listen to you. :rolleyes:

[p0intman]

Sure I can. Objectively, to anyone that doesnt know me, I'm a pseudo-intellectual douchebag who doesn't especially like being told that my opinion is wrong.

The difference here is, I know I'm right. I know that opening trials back up would kill planetside, and I'd give it less than a month to do so. Therefore, factually, it is a bad idea. There are no two ways about it to me. There is nothing you can show me or say to me to convince me otherwise. It isn't a matter of me not being a dick and not browbeating you, its that, to me, your opinion is so flawed that it doesn't even warrant consideration.

Am I a dick? Absolutely.

[Hamma]

Things to remember when debating p0intman.

You are wrong, even if you are right.

Comparing cheating in PlanetSide 1 vs PlanetSide 2 is like comparing a Model T to a Modern Car.

Will there be cheating? Yup. However there will be a much larger focus on it this time SOE is betting alot on PlanetSide 2.

That being said SOE is not going to dedicate resources to opening up PlanetSide 1. They are going to keep the focus on where the money will come from.

[Windmill]

I'm a pseudo-intellectual douchebag who doesn't especially like being told that my opinion is wrong.

Am I a dick? Absolutely.

Yes, you are a pseudo-intellectual douche bag who happens to also be a dick. However, you still seem can't quite grasp the fact that opinions can't be wrong. That's what makes them opinions, they're subjective. Things that are subjective can't be proven or unproven. You can disagree with someone's opinion and state your reasons why that is, but--here I'll just reiterate for the third time--opinions can't be wrong (which you've been claiming in literally all your posts).

I certainly hope there aren't a lot of people like you in this community; I think that would be enough for quite a few to not want to buy a free game. :cool:

[p0intman]

Yes, you are a pseudo-intellectual douche bag who happens to also be a dick. However, you still seem can't quite grasp the fact that opinions can't be wrong. That's what makes them opinions, they're subjective. Things that are subjective can't be proven or unproven. You can disagree with someone's opinion and state your reasons why that is, but--here I'll just reiterate for the third time--opinions can't be wrong (which you've been claiming in literally all your posts).

I certainly hope there aren't a lot of people like you in this community; I think that would be enough for quite a few to not want to buy a free game. :cool:

Firstly, I'll say this one time and one time alone, I will not argue with an opinion that is fundamentally flawed as the OP's or yours is:

The only way opening PS1 back up could ever hope to work is if they released a major patch that reworks a lot of things, including the chat and name text to prevent hacking and make it a lot more difficult.

They won't. That's why they're rebooting it with a sequel. If you want it or not does not matter in the slightest, it isn't worth their time or effort. The last time they did it, almost as many people unsubscribed from disgust as had happened with BFRs and Aftershock. The only reason anyone with any sanity would do it at this point would be to utterly wreck what is left of PS1, and then if Sony wanted PS1 gone, they'd pull the plug instead.

As for your taunt, I want you to consider that you are a new player coming into an established community and are threatening someone for their attitude and claim that it might reflect poorly on others because I don't have the patience to explain to you how your reception of what appears to be my opinion is flawed.

Edit:
Things to remember when debating p0intman.

You are wrong, even if you are right.

Comparing cheating in PlanetSide 1 vs PlanetSide 2 is like comparing a Model T to a Modern Car.

Will there be cheating? Yup. However there will be a much larger focus on it this time SOE is betting alot on PlanetSide 2.

That being said SOE is not going to dedicate resources to opening up PlanetSide 1. They are going to keep the focus on where the money will come from.

Hamma,

If I were debating something, that'd be true. I was stating fact and have history to back it up.

[Wahooo]

NO to trials. Hackers are in any FPS, but in most any other game they are not 100% game breaking in PS they are and bringing back free trials would overwhelm the game.

I would like to see any account that has paid a month of sub time for the game, that is in good standing, activate the game free to play. Follow that with no temporary bans for getting caught cheating. Those should be perma-bans. Get in the game for the price of a 1 month sub and play on. The game I would think get the influx of pop and should cut down on the number of hackers.

[Death2All]

NO to trials. Hackers are in any FPS, but in most any other game they are not 100% game breaking in PS they are and bringing back free trials would overwhelm the game.

I would like to see any account that has paid a month of sub time for the game, that is in good standing, activate the game free to play. Follow that with no temporary bans for getting caught cheating. Those should be perma-bans. Get in the game for the price of a 1 month sub and play on. The game I would think get the influx of pop and should cut down on the number of hackers.

I agree with this. I'd like to see SOE give out some free time again this summer to give the game a nice last summer of gameplay.

[Haro]

Holy crap, everyone CHILL OUT. It's like listening to children arguing back and forth. Take it to private or don't bother with it at all.

To get back on subject: I'd say no. Believe me, nostalgia wants me to say yes, and I want to pilot my reaver or gun a vanguard again really bad. But one quick read through the forums shows the game is absolutely on its last legs. Hacking, BR40, and other issues make it very inaccessible. SOE won't put resources into a product that probably won't last the year. Instead, those resources go into PS2, so that hacking isn't an issue there, and that the players have a great experience.

We're just going to have to bite the bullet and wait for beta.

[duomaxwl]

Free trials, no. People who played and payed before, a month or two would be okay (as long as I get credited a month as well.)
If they reopened the trial for anybody, I'd be unsubbed in a minute. I'm not paying $15 a month to be killed by some hacker who made a free trial.

[Huntsab]

I say yes bring back the trials and get SOE's anti hacker GM's online to oversee the game. There is no excuse, there must be GM's on 24/7. We are paying money for what? I would love to see some of these GM's (you know the ones they gonna have for PS2) start work a little eraly and oversee PS1 for a while before PS2 goes live!

[Crator]

Would be nice. But hacker issues would kill it and leave bad taste in your mouth. Would defiantly raise hacker awareness. For those who don't know, PS1 Reserves program allowed people to play for free with limits applied to your character. The exploits used by hackers totally ruined game play for everyone. And they could be achieved by a single player. They would get banned but sometimes it would take forever for it to happen. So a whole weekend could be ruined easily. And even once they were banned they would just create another trial account cause it's free and hack away again. They closed the Reserves program for this very reason and you don't see the blatant exploit hacking anymore since then.

[Verruna]

PS1 as it is cannot even reach half a pop lock across all empires. While the new players would definitely be nice for one last Hoo rah for PS1, The hackers are beyond gamebreaking, it wasn't a issue of just wall hacking or aimbotting, the hacks they had were literally gamebreaking for whoevers empire was a enemy of the hacker. Since they had no GMs the vast majority of days.. these gamebreaking hackers would be on for extremely large sessions without any bans.. if they ever get banned. Me and 4 other friends who were paying money last time they had trials all had to quit, it was still fun and pops were a bit better back then.. but playing with those kinda hackers that very obviously weren't being taken care of was not worth 15 bucks a month.

[Sensator]

I never actually played the game with a Sub. I had a blast when there were year trials though. I'd probably buy an account if the PS2 beta wasn't coming out soon, but I'd love it if they reenabled trials so I could give PS1 a go again.

Also, if SOE ever wants PS1 to be long standing, they need to make it free to play (to a point). Like most other low populated games are.

[Crator]

Pretty sure PS1 goes away once PS2 is here. Not to mention PS1 will most likely be a ghost town, even if it were free, since PS2 is free.

[Socks]

Really would like to play ps1 with alot of players again, but as stated before ps1 is nothing like ps2. It doesnt represent ps2 well. Next to that it has quite the learningcurve for it to be really fun. Especially because ps1 now primarily consist of veterans. So it problably will only discourage new players

[Warborn]

Planetside 1 is a shitty, shitty game and nothing good can come from having people excited about Planetside 2 playing its predecessor. At this point the best thing they could do is completely shut the game down so that people won't get the wrong idea about what Planetside 2 is going to be like.

[The Degenatron]

Planetside 1 is a shitty, shitty game and nothing good can come from having people excited about Planetside 2 playing its predecessor. At this point the best thing they could do is completely shut the game down so that people won't get the wrong idea about what Planetside 2 is going to be like.

http://incogman.net/wp-content/uploads/2009/03/Your_opinion.jpg

I voted no because I don't want people getting for free what I'm paying for.

They can play Planetside for free when PS2 comes out. Until then, you gotta pay to play.

[Mastachief]

no.hackers.no

Just reactivate all unbanned vet accounts.

We had 340+ people online on monday

[Longshanks]

Downloaded and am busting out some PS1.

Great fun.