Voice macro is suposed to be "V" Not "B".

[MrBloodworth]

Don't mess with tradition. "V" Is iconic to the series. Users are fine to rebind it if they want. But this is Planetside, it needs to be "V". Tradition. Every tribes game and Planetside since 1998. This is an iconic feature of all Tribes games. Its a simple request.

http://www.planetside-universe.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=559&d=1338963991

EDIT: To be more clear.

[Harrod]

Is it rebindable?

[MrBloodworth]

Is it rebindable?

I'm sure it is. Even more reason to set it back by default.

Tradition. Every tribes game and Planetside since 1998.

I'm not going to relearn "BBB" as "VVV". Respect your elders SOE. Highrez studios knows this.

[waldizzo]

Do not see Auto-run which was Q in the original game.
They changed the use key to E which was G in the original.

Every game I've played since planetside that had a "USE" function, I've rebound to G. I'll be doing it again here. Then again I always have to rebind just about everything because I use ESDF.

[DayOne]

*sigh* ALL KEYS ARE REBINDABLE!

If it's an issue you can fix it! I certainly take time to go through the command menu and change things to suit me personal preference, you should too.

[MrBloodworth]

*sigh* ALL KEYS ARE REBINDABLE!

If it's an issue you can fix it! I certainly take time to go through the command menu and change things to suit me personal preference, you should too.

Tradition. Know your heritage.

[Attackmack]

Melee attack...sigh...

[Sabrak]

Oh yeah, this is SUCH an important issue... :rolleyes:

[diLLa]

Watching that screenshot, IMO they should change the red colour to a green colour.

Maybe I will make a new thead about this issue, cause it bothers me!

[Redshift]

actually i wierdly agree with this even though it's rebindable, and that's because vvv etc was something you said in actual text too "so i was standing over him spamming vvz when a splattermax TK'd me".

[NewSith]

v was kinda logical imo. V-N-R - Voice - Need Repairs.

[diLLa]

kidding right?

[MrBloodworth]

kidding right?

No. This is an iconic feature of all Tribes games.

[RadarX]

You'll be able to change your keybindings if this is a deal breaker for you.

[Sabrak]

No. This is an iconic feature of all Tribes games.

Welcome to Planetside 2.

[wasdie]

Oh wow, who cares...

I'll be binding it to one of the buttons on my mouse like I always do.

[MrBloodworth]

You'll be able to change your keybindings if this is a deal breaker for you.

I am aware. That does not mean you guys are not breaking with an iconic feature, and a long standing tradition in the series. I admit, this was partly made in jest, but it IS important due to heritage. 6 games in the main series ( 2 modern ), one in the Planetside off shoot.

Welcome to Planetside 2.

Planetside is part of the Tribes line.

[Rbstr]

Planetside is part of the Tribes line.

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

[Sabrak]

Planetside is part of the Tribes line.

What the hell, man? :lol:

[Elude]

I hate using default binds on every game, I change just about every single key to my liking.

[MrBloodworth]

:rofl::rofl::rofl::rofl:

What the hell, man? :lol:

Like I said, know your heritage. Planetaside was made by Dynamix developers, Hired by SOE. Much of its systems are based on Tribes concepts.

[Rbstr]

You're whining about a user-configurable key bind.

I already didn't take you seriously, now you're comic relief.

[diLLa]

People just love to whine about the most insignificant things

[MrBloodworth]

You're whining about a user-configurable key bind.

I already didn't take you seriously, now you're comic relief.

No, I'm bringing up this breaks with tradition.

I hate using default binds on every game, I change just about every single key to my liking.

Me too.

[diLLa]

IMO you just put an irrational value on tradition, when the tradition is about a keybinding.

I understand if you want to fight for a culturally significant tradition, but this is just lame.

[MrBloodworth]

IMO you just put an irrational value on tradition, when the tradition is about a keybinding.

I understand if you want to fight for a culturally significant tradition, but this is just lame.

VVN, you are putting an irrational value on posting in opposition to a simple change request.

"VVV" is iconic.

[etheral]

Like I said, know your heritage.

Why dont you take your own advice? Planetside was based on a multiplayer tank game called Tarnarus back in 1997, made by Verant and published by SOE.

Also, Complaining about the change from V to B? Really? When you can rebind it yourself? Now you're just complaining for the sake of complaining

[GreatMazinkaise]

Honestly, you'd think that VVF had not meaning to you people...

It means "FABULOUS!"

The "V" is bloody important.

[MrBloodworth]

Its partly influenced by Tarnarus yes. It was created by Dynamax developers.

Honestly, you'd think that VVF had not meaning to you people...

It means "FABULOUS!"

The "V" is bloody important.

Thank you.

[Turdicus]

bloodworth you are an idiot and every post you have made follows your own idiotic tradition.

[Landtank]

Oh Mr. Bloodworth, just when I thought I couldn't take you seriously, you come back and make an ass of yourself.

Grow up mate, at least you complaints are so ridiculous they are funny now.

[Figment]

So let's make this more about general keybinding than just the voice chat. What would your key binds be if you study this chart?
http://www.planetside-universe.com/attachment.php?attachmentid=559&d=1338963991

Current setup:

INFANTRY

[1] / [2] / [3] - Primary Weapon / Secondary Weapon / Item
[W] [Up] / [S] [Down] - Move Forwards / Move Backwards
[A] [Left] / [D] [Right] - Strafe Left / Strafe Right
[F] - Melee Attack
[G] - Use Grenade
[Q] - Spot Player
[E] - Interact
[R] - Reload
[T] - Use Ability
[C] - Crouch Toggle
[V] - Switch Firegroup
[SHIFT] - Sprint
[CTRL] - Crouch
[SPACE] - Jump

VEHICLES

[W] [Up] / [S] [Down] - Move Forwards / Move Backwards
[A] [Left] / [D] [Right] - Strafe Left / Strafe Right
[Q] - Spot Player
[R] - Reload
[T] - Change Camera
[CTRL] - Move Down
[SPACE] - Move Up
[+] - Throttle Up
[-] - Throttle Down

GENERAL
[ENTER] - Start Chat Text
[ALT] + [F] - Toggle Performance
[PRT SCR] - Screenshot
[TAB] - Toggle Mouse
[Y] - GAQ Accept
[N] - GAQ Decline
[F12] - GAQ Show
[M] - Open Map
[Key Pad 4] - Voice Chat Global
[Key Pad 7] - Voice Chat Empire
[Key Pad 8] - Voice Chat Echo
[Key Pad 9] - Voice Chat Squad
[Z] - Voice Chat Outfit
[B] - Voice Macro
[CTRL] + [F10] - Toggle UI

However, I'm missing the mouse and a couple other things.

[Left Mouse] - Fire (Left Hand) Weapon
[Right Mouse] - Fire Right Hand Weapon? or Alternate Fire?
[Mouse Scroll Up / Down] - Zoom In/Out? or Cycle Weapons? or Cycle Weapon Mode?

I'd personally change/add the following:

[3] Grenade (select)
[4] Melee Weapon (select)
[5] Items (select)

[G] - Interact (habit)
[B] - Use Ability (habit)
[V] - Voice Macro (habit)
[Q] - Auto-Run (habit)
[T] - Spot Player (Target - WoT habit)
[Z] / [X] - Zoom In / Out

[E] - Move Up (Single Tab: Stop Descending or Short Elevation / Double Tap: Elevate Lock / Triple Tap: Faster Elevation Lock)
[C] - Move Down (Single Tap: Stop Elevating or Short Descent / Double Tap: Descent Lock / Triple Tap: Faster Descent Lock)

[F] [Middle Mouse Button] - Voice Chat Outfit
[F5] - Voice Chat Squad (Most used next to outfit)
[F6] - Voice Chat Empire
[F7] - Voice Chat Echo ?
[F8] - Voice Chat Global (Is this local or to all players?)

Melee Attack sounds like quick knife attack, but I'd want to time it by selecting it and simply holding it out instead of not being able to strafe while stabbing (if that's how it works). Similarly, instead of "Use Grenade", I'd want to select the grenade, then aim and time it.


PS: What's a GAQ btw? http://www.acronymgeek.com/GAQ

[MrBloodworth]

Oh Mr. Bloodworth, just when I thought I couldn't take you seriously, you come back and make an ass of yourself.

Grow up mate, at least you complaints are so ridiculous they are funny now.

VTQ.

So let's make this more about general keybinding than just the voice chat.

Except its not.

[Hamma]

Enough with the personal attacks folks or I will start handing out infractions.

You'll be able to change your keybindings if this is a deal breaker for you.

And yep - I rebound keys when I was at SOE so it's definitely changeable.

Though I do believe it should be V by default and change fire mode should be X

[MrBloodworth]

And yep - I rebound keys when I was at SOE so it's definitely changeable.

I understand this. I do it too. That's not the point.

"V" Is iconic.

[etheral]

When everyone else is talking about things like TTK, regenerating health, and possible problems with the cert system, YOU are complaining about a changed keybind. Do you see anything wrong with this picture?

You're either a total idiot or a troll. At the moment i'm leaning towards the latter. You CANT be this dumb.

[MrBloodworth]

When everyone else is talking about things like TTK, regenerating health, and possible problems with the cert system, YOU are complaining about a changed keybind. Do you see anything wrong with this picture?

You're either a total idiot or a troll. At the moment i'm leaning towards the latter. You CANT be this dumb.


Obviously I want all production to stop to address this. I said as much in my Original post.

[Xyntech]

It seems a silly thing to make an issue, much less a thread out of, but I do somewhat agree. V is better and it's traditional, for Planetside if nothing else.

Personally, I think X would make a better keybind for "Switch Firegroup," as it's a command that you need to have easily accessible but not as quick or as often as VVV.

Also as has been mentioned, while you can rebind it, it would make confusion when refering to the commands between players. And what about quick commands? Would the fastest be BBB, and become VBB when switched?

Not really that big a deal, but hopefully we can get it changed in beta regardless. I mean in veta.

[MrBloodworth]

It seems a silly thing to make an issue, much less a thread out of, but I do somewhat agree. V is better and it's traditional, for Planetside if nothing else.

Personally, I think X would make a better keybind for "Switch Firegroup," as it's a command that you need to have easily accessible but not as quick or as often as VVV.

Also as has been mentioned, while you can rebind it, it would make confusion when refering to the commands between players. And what about quick commands? Would the fastest be BBB, and become VBB when switched?

Not really that big a deal, but hopefully we can get it changed in beta regardless. I mean in veta.

"Such an issue"? Its a simple request. Unless you mean the other posters.

[Graywolves]

Has to be V. B doesn't make sense, that's an awkward key to hit.

Will change to V.

[Thomas]

You'll be able to change your keybindings if this is a deal breaker for you.

Oh thank goodness, I was one step away from boycotting PS2.

[Eyeklops]

Though I do believe it should be V by default and change fire mode should be X

This. I didn't see "X" used on the chart so.. Move "V" to X", then "B" to "V". Ala problemo solved.

[Hosp]

I'm jumping on this bandwagon. Must be 'V'

[SoNaR]

V = Switch Fire Group. Does that mean changing the rate of fire from single shot to semi or auto? (V did that in BF3 for some weapons....)

[MrBloodworth]

Yes.

[GreatMazinkaise]

It's a simple find + replace... there's nothing stopping them from changing it. So it must happen, especially if we're to get our legacy voice macros at some point.

[Xyntech]

"Such an issue"? Its a simple request. Unless you mean the other posters.

"Don't mess with tradition" isn't a request. You are abrasive and it doesn't help your cause.

You could have explained the argument more thoroughly in the first post, instead of going back and forth with everyone throughout the thread.

Key rebinding pretty well trashes you original post. Tradition means fuck all when you can change it back. The only reason I agree with the idea is because of the confusion it may cause among old and new Planetside players.

V = Switch Fire Group. Does that mean changing the rate of fire from single shot to semi or auto? (V did that in BF3 for some weapons....)

I'm guessing so. Change it to X though, it's a perfectly acceptable key for something like that. BF players can rebind it to V if they really want.

[MrBloodworth]

I guess I can see how a tong in cheek post may be taken aggressively. But I think the larger issues is that some here seem to think any post that is not praise is a whine.

Still stands though. "V" Is iconic to the series. Users are fine to rebind it if they want. But this is Planetside, it needs to be "V".

[Hermes]

I would also like SOE to deliver me a keyboard of the same model I used back in 2003.

The keyspacing will completely throw me off when VVV-ing.

[The Kush]

You'll be able to change your keybindings if this is a deal breaker for you.

Thanks Radar. This isn't a big deal guys don't make it one. A mod should close this topic.

[Xyntech]

Thanks Radar. This isn't a big deal guys don't make it one. A mod should close this topic.

It at least seems like the wrong time for this topic I think. Bigger fish to fry once beta starts, then maybe we can have some community threads discussing the matter as things settle down a bit.

I don't think it necessarily needs to be locked, but I would let it die.

At least I'm not going to post anymore in it. I think all that can be said has been said for now.

[Furber]

I think it's worth pointing out that changing the starter voice macro button doesn't change the rest. In Planetside 1, if you were to change the voice macro button to "B", you would have to press "BVV" to say 'help'. If they allow you to further change the voice macro bindings to the point where you could change each category of macros, that would be a different story.

I agree with keeping V as the default button, but perhaps there is another button that is currently V?

[starshine]

the 1st thing to do in a game especially an mmo is check out the graphics/controls settings. and this is a videogame, not a military tradition.

[Synapse]

Screw tradition.

...but mr blood has a point. The second most important part of keybinding (right after "can I reach the key" is "can I find it naturally" and this setup seems to fail that test.

What does the B stand for? Boice? Boisterous? Be-Annoying?

V stands for Voice, it sits in the right place and made sense to me so I could find it and learn it.


Why change what works?

[Rbstr]

...but mr blood has a point. The second most important part of keybinding (right after "can I reach the key" is "can I find it naturally" and this setup seems to fail that test.
What does the B stand for? Boice? Boisterous? Be-Annoying?


Ah yeah, because WASD and q and f and z all stand for something.

fact is you can change it to whatever you want. bind it to the capslock key if it tickles your testicles.

[GTGD]

You know this game is gonna be boss when people are getting pissy about a bindable key being located one over from the original. So stoked!

[KTNApollo]

Pointless thread is pointless. Who cares if it isn't the key it used to be? There are more things that need to be bound now.

http://www.funnypictureblog.com/sites/default/files/tumblr_m2611alN7Q1r8bin7o1_400.gif

[Mr DeCastellac]

The hate is strong in this thread.

Maybe I'm the odd man out, but I really agree with the OP. Though I know it is rebindable, the Tribes and Planetside tradition is that voice chat is V. I'm not sure why they decided to change it, maybe to avoid similarities between the newest Tribes game, but that's just silly since both Planetside and Tribes were made by some of the same people.

I loved the V chat, not just because it was logical (as said earlier, "V = Voice"), but it is also closer to the main hand position.

There have also been mentions of how 'use' has been changed from G to E, and switching fire modes from X to V. I think they should stick with as many good things from the first game as they can, and the default key positioning was one of those good things.

I know it seems very trivial at first glance, especially considering you can rebind them anyways. But that's kind of the point, really. They should make the default mostly similar to the first game, and if people don't like it, they can just rebind it themselves. Those of us who were loyal to the first game and learned the keys won't have to fumble around trying to remember all the keys from the first ones until it feels just right.

[Trolltaxi]

Don't forget the mouse buttons, everyone has at least 5 of them!

And I have never seen a game the utilizes the (left-right) tiltable middle button. Make use of it SOE! Would be great for changing fire modes and ammo type.

[Nasher]

Damn, the V is going waaaaay back to Planetside's tribes roots with the voice commands :D

youtube.com/watch?v=PfmB_z-hFjk

[Troscus]

I absolutely 100% refuse to believe I live in a reality where "B breaks tradition, change it" is honestly a concern, AT ALL, when you can rebind keys. I simply refuse. It didn't happen.

:drama: