Why is NC so Popular?

[Otleaz]

I was arguing with a friend about what faction we should play, he was saying VS, I was saying TR. Eventually we got to a point where I said I thought VS would be the most popular so it wouldn't be fun, and he goes and says NC will obviously be the most popular, with the VS being the least popular.

I called bullshit, but all evidence says it is true. Why is it that the faction with the ugliest colors, slowest vehicles, and worst overall goal are the most popular?

[Gogita]

Because this is your opinion

[Bags]

Uh, TR is actually the most popular here,

[Razicator]

Oddly enough, if you look at the facebook PS app, it shows TR slightly ahead of NC, with VS very obviously behind.

[DOUBLEXBAUGH]

Blue > Red/Purple

NC back story makes them look like America, while TR looks like Nazi and VS are Kool-aid drinking alien lovers.

Hard hitting weapons = Lasers > Spray and pray

So, NC has best color and back story to most, and depending on how much you like lasers best or second best weapons.

[Bags]

TR is representative of authority, it's cool to rebel, and boys love blue.

Picking based on the lore is ridiculous.

[SpcFarlen]

Well if you looked at the numbers used on the facebook Recruiting app thing, NC is ahead. Granted NC is the default faction of choice so potentially not many people noticed.

[Otleaz]

But blue looks tacky on yellow, and trying to disrupt 1000 years of peace is anything but cool. Also, leaving it up to your enemy to miss rather than yourself to dodge is also pretty lame. Mobility and speed in air vehicles means you are in control of your life, and not your enemy.

[Razicator]

Picking based on the lore is ridiculous.

Not really. People do it all the time, especially when faced with something new where they don't know the different mechanics as much as the lore. This was seen in games like WoW; there's a reason why the Alliance was filled with new players and the casuals, at least compared to the Horde. That is in PvP of course, and before cross server PvP.

[Knightwyvern]

Everything you are saying is subjective and often not true. So..

[Revanmug]

TR is representative of authority, it's cool to rebel, and boys love blue.

I'm glad you love your communist china. I'll stick with my corrupt america.

But you are right. Blue is the best color even though I would prefer green for uniform.

[NewSith]

All empire pride aside VS is not popular because 9 out of 10 people playing other empires are subconciously homophobic and associate purple color and slim lines with something of non-heterosexual origin.

TR are red and black, that's psycological too.

And NC are portrayed as good guys for no, imo, apparent reason.

PS: by homophobia I mean disgust towards them and the inner desire to burn them alive, not just negativism.

[Figment]

And NC are portrayed as good guys for obvious reasons: they support pie for one thing.

Fixed.

[Hamma]

In every poll and even in game it's always close to equal.

[NewSith]

In every poll and even in game it's always close to equal.

Polls are permanent, active playercount is not, that's the thing, sadly.

[velleity]

alpha strike

[Pepsi]

Yeah, blue/yellow carry a very positive connotation (birthday?), and hearing that the NC "dish out/take the most damage" is pretty hard to pass up. Taking advantage of the TR's speed and ROF or the VS maneuverability requires skills somewhat above the amateur level. The majority crowd just wants large shells that go boom boom boom.

Plus, good guys rebelling against a dominant empire is a pretty common theme in American movie culture.

[cBselfmonkey]

In every poll and even in game it's always close to equal.

Eh. I remember checking population polls for SWTOR prior to launch and things were usually pretty even with a slight advantage to the Empire faction. Come launch the Empire vastly outnumbered the Republic on just about every server. To the point where server PvP, battleground and world-pvp, were utterly broken.

Like someone else said we can't really know until we get into the game. Heck the overall populations for PS1 over its life-span are probably better indicators then any poll.

[Hamma]

All of a sudden we are discounting the past 10 years of population counts?

Empire counts have always been VERY close to equal all this time. I see no reason for that changing.

[DOUBLEXBAUGH]

All of a sudden we are discounting the past 10 years of population counts?

Empire counts have always been VERY close to equal all this time. I see no reason for that changing.

On Emerald, the VS was ALWAYS underpopulated. Most nights prime time would start out pretty even between NC/TR, both with a small pop advantage over the VS. Then as teh night progressed whoever was winning more between the NC and TR would go up to 40%+, while teh VS would stay sub 30%

[GreatMazinkaise]

TR have always been the gimped faction (more so on Emerald as Markov's participation in E3 2005 showed), but with the decreased weapon arcs and increased homogenousness of weapon types have shown, I expect it to even out.

[FPClark]

I think that the VS being underpopulated actually kinda fits lorewise haha

[SgtMAD]

On Emerald, the VS was ALWAYS underpopulated. Most nights prime time would start out pretty even between NC/TR, both with a small pop advantage over the VS. Then as teh night progressed whoever was winning more between the NC and TR would go up to 40%+, while teh VS would stay sub 30%

on Markov the VS pop % would be in low 20's,the only time the VS had any pop was during the lasher 2.0 period

[Top Sgt]

Y hearing that the NC "dish out/take the most damage" is pretty hard to pass up. Taking advantage of the TR's speed and ROF or the VS maneuverability requires skills somewhat above the amateur level. The majority crowd just wants large shells that go boom boom boom.

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this right there I agree

most newer players hear that and immediately want what they think is gonna be the faction with the guns that drop people the most.. or air and tanks that kill everything the easiest.. so NC will always be a popular choice.

but as hamma says it's usually always close to even.

[NCLynx]

Opinions.

And according to almost every public poll taken and the "world map" on the facebook app, TR are the most populated. They always have been and likely always will be.

EDIT: As per my experience on Emerald up until now. Can't speak for Markov or Werner back in the day though.

[NCLynx]

Going by lore the TR should always be most populated, since they are fighting two rebellions.

Would that not also be true for both the VS and the NC? VS are trying to either eradicate or absorb the other two factions whereas the NC are fighting against the "opression" of the TR and fighting the VS to remain separate from them as well? Something along those lines.

[Fedr]

I like NC and TR alot, NC mainly because I like the industrial look of the equipment, being a fan of the Red Faction series. It is a nice rugged style. But I like that the TR are professional military.

[KnightHawk ECID]

Okay kinda off topic but what are the weapon differences?

Nc = Most damage, Lowest ROF, Best acc., Lowest Mag.

Tr = Least damage, Highest ROF, Worst acc., Biggest Mag.

VS = Med. Damage, Med. ROF, Good Acc, Medium Mag.

Or how is it?

[Gonzo]

I think that seems to be a reasonable generalization. VS of course, have the added twist of using energy weapons, which gives a slight twist to their "middle-ground" stats.

Not 100% sure though.

On Topic:
NC may have some bias because a lot of the early footage came from NC players. And, personally, the visual style does appeal to me. NC stuff looks meaty and rough, like it means business.

[The Kush]

Yes TR has been the most popular in the past

[Whalenator]

All of a sudden we are discounting the past 10 years of population counts?

Empire counts have always been VERY close to equal all this time. I see no reason for that changing.

Because the pool of players has expanded from hardcore gamers to regular gents and cod players. Purple and light green coupled with a technophiliac mentality won't push your faction far. A sense of freedom and powerful weapons or a militaristic sense of domination will.

[Troscus]

Every faction relies on outward appearance. Do you LIKE looking like a rebel/soldier/alien? Then, more than likely, that's the faction you'll gravitate towards. We're also expecting to pull alot of BF/COD players, and most of them like the rebel look.

I'm expecting a TON of NC on launch, then it'll even out once the tweens who thought NC was unbeatable get sucker punched in the daddy-bags by a few good TR and VS soldiers.

But then again, I'm not Nostradamus.

[meiam]

How can people not play VS? They have laser LAZER!

All seriousness apart, they do sound kinda weak on paper (actual number most probably will disprove this), every time they talk about the faction, it's like "NC hit hard, TR hit fast, VS...they...hum...are purple and shoot energy" plus there vehicle on first sight look weaker, basic tank not having a turret and most footage of scythe being of people crashing

[Knightwyvern]

How can people not play VS? They have laser LAZER!

All seriousness apart, they do sound kinda weak on paper (actual number most probably will disprove this), every time they talk about the faction, it's like "NC hit hard, TR hit fast, VS...they...hum...are purple and shoot energy" plus there vehicle on first sight look weaker, basic tank not having a turret and most footage of scythe being of people crashing

Magrider is muuuuch more maneuverable than the other MBT, especially on rough terrain. Also, on today's stream a large number of the killcam shots were of people getting owned by Scythes. Many Vanu energy weapons do not have bullet drop, a pretty nice bonus at range.

[Baneblade]

Well... NC in general are considered overpowered. And in a sense, we are. Being the hardest hitting faction, means our stuff hurts more in the shock and awe aspect. By comparison, the TR tend to be more about spamming than making each shot count, so they seem less dramatic. The VS are just weird... and purple highlighted by teal. So there is no mystery why they aren't so popular.

[Vashyo]

I've allways been under the impression TR is the most popular empire. Juts looking this forum and Reddit one I mostly spot the TR-emblem the most.

and I remember seeing a poll at some point where TR had slightly more votes than the other 2.

[neonlazer]

NC is so popular because the VS and TR both hate us cause we kick their rear ends!

[DerFurst]

If you suddenly found a fountain of information detailing the practical applications previously incomprehensible ideas, why would you NOT exploit it? It just seems stupid that people wouldn't take an advantage when it's practically handed to you...

Anyways, from E3, it looks like Vanu can get black camo. Purple still perfectly fits the role of an "alien" faction, though, which is why I see nothing wrong about it.

[ElectroEsper]

Well, the NC is not that much popullar than the TR as far as I know (well like if I know anything).

Personnaly I go NC cause I love the Warhammer Imperial Guardish look they have, plus my friend want to be the dedicated tanker of our platoon and want the meanest tank to fit the tank destroyer role.

Not really any other reason for us.

But if I were to play alone, I would go TR and max as an Interceptor Fighter Pilot :cool:

I think it all go around the play style people want, or for they biggest need ( good tank for us).

[Verruna]

I dont see any race having a major population imbalance tbh. Will probably be even for the most part at release.

I like TR and NC..............'s bloody bodies getting run over by my magrider hood. So i guess their popular to me, as i enjoy watching them suffer.. Purple for life!

[Zekeen]

All three factions generally even out in popularity. NC is just flashier and edgier. TR "looks" like the bad guys, while NC "looks" like the good guys. And Vanu just look like a higher technology that many go for, despite having the most interesting gameplay.

[Kirotan]

Not really. People do it all the time, especially when faced with something new where they don't know the different mechanics as much as the lore. This was seen in games like WoW; there's a reason why the Alliance was filled with new players and the casuals, at least compared to the Horde. That is in PvP of course, and before cross server PvP.

In WoW beta, most of the beta testers decided to roll horde; even the ones that played Alliance. They knew that not only were Horde racials were better, but Horde was going to be outpopulated because they had no "pretty" races at launch. I tried to find a few old threads about it but nothing came up.

As for PS1, it always seemed like VS was outnumbered. Part color scheme, lore, and weapon mechanics. I played NC for the first 3 years, and then VS for the rest afterward. After using the Gauss for so long, the CoF/spread on the Pulsar makes me want to break things even to this day.

I feel NC is the easiest empire to play. Hitscan HA, "Safe" AV, best MA rifle, hardest hitting (makes crucial first strike capability even deadlier, narrows the margin of error your opponent can make and still win a fight), most armor (improves your margin of error and still win a fight). At least they're losing speed this time. Is the Prowler in PS1 still slower moving than a Vanguard?

In PS2, I think the TR and NC will have very close populations, and VS will be behind, but catch up a bit.

[Kriegson]

As hamma pointed out, the factions are usually fairly balanced when it comes to the polls.

Like most have said, the TR and the NC are fairly relatable factions to most people. The totalitarian regime that rules with an iron fist, and the sympathetic rebels who fight for their freedoms (Some anyhow).
The VS are the odd men out in regards to aesthetic, story and weapons. I would think they appeal to a certain niche, while NC and TR are more widely so.

As for some generalized pros and cons for each faction's weapon style:

TR:
High rof and low accuracy play well into a run and gun style, good for assaulting and ambushes.

They do however require you to be exposed while unloading damage onto an opponent. Harder to fight with full effectiveness at range.

NC:
High damage and good accuracy play well to juking behind cover and defense in cover. Minimum exposure with maximum damage.

Missing shots greatly increases your time to kill. You must be accurate, and this makes things difficult in a close quarters run and gun.

VS:
No weapon ballistics and strangely "behaving" equipment makes you difficult to predict. Like hover tanks that can strafe and scythes with their insane mobility.

Aside from the unpredictable and unique functions of their equipment, the weapons are fairly modest in regards to kill capability. Not really outstanding in any regard, but with their own quirks.

-As far as I figure things.

[Huntsab]

NC have the easiest weapons, simple as that. K/D on NC is usually higher due to the point click win ability of the JH. Tower farming being the most popular past time (yawn) for the NC. So it surprises me that some NC like to camp doors. With such great weapons you would think about using them in close quarters, you know the way they are supposed to be used? NC are a pathetic faction that attracts the younger crowd who all think they rock when flicking on PShield and Max humping.

You NC do nothing useful for your empire except spam SA, camp doors with 99 vehicles (er your weapons), if confronted in a tower with an agile enemy you run down and use your UniMax over and over till all your timers depleted. You lot are so lame and that was shown when the quadshot and surgile were removed, oh did anyone see the NC pop's drop? oh I forgot spawn camp....sorry It's how you get your kills.
:rofl:

[GTGD]

NC look "rough and tough" and have the popular blue colors.

TR look like the standard evil empire, red is a decently popular color but has a bad connotation in video games.

VS are purple freaks with lasers.

^that is basically how people see it, hence why VS is least popular.

[Zulthus]

The VS are the least populated, just the way it should be, we have more shit to shoot at :D

[Fenrys]

They are not. You are mistaken.

[MacXXcaM]

Personally I'm going with NC because their weapons and overall style appeals me the most. They just look like the standard "good guys", the "human" military in the future, closely to the human faction in Halo.

TR is quite alike so that wouldn't be that much of a problem for me either...

But VS... well, I actually love them to be in the game. I like to fight them. I like the alien-style energy weapons, floating tanks and so on. But I can't relate to them so I won't play it.

I can only hope the devs put much effort into the VS to make them more attractive for the masses.

[Sifer2]

It really is as simple as the color. Blue is a popular color more so than Red, and WAY more so than Purple. Yes people are that shallow. Probably the biggest boost to VC population will come purely from the fact they have a darker almost black color now, and sleek futuristic look.

Of course once people play the game for a while they might swap factions based on who's weapons they like the best. NC had an edge there too since in general hard hitting weapons are the most powerful in an FPS. Though the really low health bars in P2 may possibly favor the TR's high ammo count this time around. Especially if headshots remain in the game.

[razor851]

I'm a super terrible "grunt" unless I play NC. *Click-Win*

[Coreldan]

The answer is simple: NC is the best!

And we have Captain Higgles.

Seriously though, the reason I picked NC in the original game came down to two things:

1) The guns/tank seemed to be such tht would suit me the best
2) When I first logged in, NC had least pop and thus offered extra XP.

[Xaine]

VS have always been a little behind the other two.

Underdogs 4 LYFE... When we're really the overdogs.

The unenlightened just haven't discovered the raw power yet.

But they will, and then it will be too late.

[Xaine]

2) When I first logged in, NC had least pop and thus offered extra XP.

Rofl.

Same here, but with VS. :p

[Coreldan]

Rofl.

Same here, but with VS. :p

That said, I had already "soft chosen" NC. Like, I had looked around at PSU at the factions and their gear and found NC sorta the coolest, but still hadnt decided anything, then when I saw the low pop and extra XP I was "instantly sold" :D

[Gelnika]

I chose NC because they are libertarians, whereas the TR are seen as totalitarian and generally unpleasant. VS never appealed to me ever. Guess I don't dig the purple.

[cryosin]

NC is popular because they are portrayed as Heroes.

As for me choosing my own faction(Vanu)...

I'm not gonna lie but when i play Halo the first thing i think when i see alien tech is " I want that shit what is this crappy SMG they gave me".

So ya, i just love high tech alien lasers.

There's a little a like of the other two factions also:
The TR have the coolest color combination. Black and red looks sexy on everything.

The NC have the best moral ground. If i had to pick a side in real life, it would most likely be NC or "maybe" vanu.

But since its just a game and i want the coolest weapons, i pick vanu laser awesomeness.

[HellsPanda]

There is one word to why they are popular, and that is Vanguard, even back in the day when I was running a Prowler platoon, we took every oppertunity we could to run around in Vanguards instead

[GreatMazinkaise]

When did NC stop being Space Commies? They certainly started out that way...

[Xaine]

I like VS because they are the wild card. Thats pretty much my one and only reason.

I like being an oddball. Represent.

[PsychoXR-20]

and worst overall goal

Freedom is the worst goal? Worse than tyranny and oppression?

[MacXXcaM]

I'm not gonna lie but when i play Halo the first thing i think when i see alien tech is " I want that shit what is this crappy SMG they gave me".

Know what you mean... The alien stuff in Halo rocks. I love to grab a ghost or banshee and just stylin' around...

VS have the potential to deliver the same. They just need to work it out

[Redshift]

Whenever there is a poll on this it always works out 33% 33% 34% or near as.

[Redshift]

Freedom is the worst goal? Worse than tyranny and oppression?

Think you'll find that's order and security :P

[Otleaz]

Freedom is the worst goal? Worse than tyranny and oppression?

Dat 1000 years of peace too boring. Gotta shoot people with no plan for the future.

[HellsPanda]

NC aren't Communists, they are corporate capatalists

[Redshift]

NC aren't Communists, they are corporate capatalists

NC are the militant wing of Rupert Murdochs empire :P

[Coreldan]

NC aren't Communists, they are corporate capatalists

It's not really even the NC soldiers that are the corporate capitalists, perhaps some of them are hired by/fight for them, but it's hard to claim that ragtag guys in mining gear would directly be corporate capitalists themselves.

As for the commies-comment, personally being from Finland I have much easier time agreeing with NC than TR. TR to me feels like the old Soviet Union, while NC (in many ways) represent the little guerilla freedom fighters of Finland with shitty equipment, but still managed to hold the bad commies away :D

[ThermalReaper]

I'm joining vanu. Done and done.

[I SandRock]

Why is NC so popular:

CHUKA-BOOM CHUKA-BOOM CHUKA-BOOM CHUKA-BOOM

That's the sound of NC arriving at your base..

[Lorgarn]

For me personally, I am 95% certain that I will be playing NC at launch.

In PS1 I was TR, but I just love the look of NC in PS2. I love the colors, the armors on infantry, the MAX is amazing, the vehicles as well. The concept of hard-hitting appeals to me much more now than it used to during the PS1 days.

[DesertFox]

I don't understand why the NC are seen as "the good guys". :rolleyes: Everything I've read about them makes them look like greedy megacorporations who hire dirty mercenary scumbags to do their bidding. And for what? Greed and late-night partying. The TR on the other hand, are clearly the good guys. They fight for peace and prosperity. They can't help it that the brutal and merciless rebel factions refuse to give up their arms and work for a better future with solidarity and prosperity in focus. TR has the right to defend it's peace-loving citizens on Auraxis. The VS? They're obviously being mind controlled by Cthulhu's grandmother. It's not truly their fault.. They believe that they are doing the right thing. Hopefully the TR will be able to make them "see the light", sooner rather than later.

With this in mind, we can clearly see that the TR is the only viable choice for anyone with a conscience. However, it would seem as if the NC anti-peace propaganda is highly effective, and the VS obviously do not have any choice but to do their masters bidding. :P~

[Magpie]

i chose NC at the loading screen 6 years ago because they looked pretty....

[FPClark]

I don't understand why the NC are seen as "the good guys". :rolleyes: Everything I've read about them makes them look like greedy megacorporations who hire dirty mercenary scumbags to do their bidding. And for what? Greed and late-night partying. The TR on the other hand, are clearly the good guys. They fight for peace and prosperity. They can't help it that the brutal and merciless rebel factions refuse to give up their arms and work for a better future with solidarity and prosperity in focus. TR has the right to defend it's peace-loving citizens on Auraxis. The VS? They're obviously being mind controlled by Cthulhu's grandmother. It's not truly their fault.. They believe that they are doing the right thing. Hopefully the TR will be able to make them "see the light", sooner rather than later.

With this in mind, we can clearly see that the TR is the only viable choice for anyone with a conscience. However, it would seem as if the NC anti-peace propaganda is highly effective, and the VS obviously do not have any choice but to do their masters bidding. :P~

Our 'master' ascends us to higher levels of technology. Your mosquitos will fall from the sky once our true scythe pilots arrive.

[Hmr85]

I picked NC because back in 03 when PS1 first came out NC'S style of play appealed to me the most. I also love the colors for the faction along with the lore behind them. So they will be my faction of choice for PS2 because of my loyalty I have had to the NC and my outfit over all these years and due to the fact I absolutely despise TR and VS.

[Canaris]

lol NC are popular now? that's not how I tell it :ncsucks:

[bigcracker]

Why is Vanu So sexy?

[Satexios]

The more smurfs the better target practice for me...


TR4Life!:trrocks:


:ncsucks::vssucks:

[UKSwiFT]

I dig the overall aesthetic of them. The colour scheme brings me memories and that heavy-hitting weapons make me a happy man.

NC4LIFE!

[asdar]

I planned on joining whichever faction had the lowest population, but I won't join VS because I don't like the alien look.

I don't know if I like them telling us which faction has the highest population. Too many people want to join the winning side instead of working to become the winning side.

[Jacius Ceed]

Well high powered weapons are good for 1 shot kills.

I however believe in hover tanks and advanced tech. :vsrocks:
Pew pew lasers are not needed but I will use them.
I prefer rail guns.

Oh and Cthulu and his mother say hello you dirty NC rebels :ncsucks: & eat a dirty tentacle you TR Nazis :trsucks: :nazi:

:lol:

[Saifoda]

It's very difficult to draw lines as to who's "good" and "bad." Very much a perspective thing. In American culture we typically idolize (and tend to capitalize for some reason) our "Founding Fathers." Do you know who they were? A bunch of rebellious, ungrateful, disobedient anarchists who preferred war over peace...to the British it seemed, anyways. Remember the old phrase "Give me liberty or give me death"? Came from a speech and the point was clearly made that the "rebel cause" was of freedom from tyranny. New taxes, the Stamp Act, etc.... In the eyes of the revolutionaries (for the most part), we had not been a subject of His Majesty for a long time; the war was not fought to make ourselves independent, it was fought to maintain our independence.



Now clearly this is just my opinion, and it's all in good fun of course (gotta remember to keep everything good natured) but to say something like "TR (or NC or VS) are CLEARLY the good guys and the best empire and I've never played this game before but I still know better" is, well, kinda lame.

Edit: Also, NC4LIFE :evil:

[Kalbuth]

I picked up Vanus in 2003 over the fact they were stated as being the "versatile empire", and I could see this as a really fun experience to be versatile enough to try stunts the other empires could not.

And in the first months of PS1, when VS was the underpowered "common pool" empire (apart from 2 weeks of Lasher 2.0 folly), we were doing stupid stunts most of the time. Our tank was known for mowing people, not for his canon, our anti-vehicle was the best anti-infantry sniper in the game, and our MAXes were flying around a-la-trolololol getting 3-shotted by lock-on-after-launch Strikers. And it was the most fun.
Then we whined enough for "balance pass" and such stupidities to arise, making the VS weapons on par with the rest, and leaving the few versatility enough so that VS ended-up on the OP side of things for the remaining years of PS. Fool of us to whine this way :(
Anyway, I digress....

I think I'll test before chosing, and the feeling of the main gun (gauss vs cycler vs pulsar) is going to be the deciding factor. I'll go for the empire where I'm comfortable with the cookie-cutter gun.

[Baneblade]

NC have the easiest weapons, simple as that.

This myth needs to stop. NC weapons are the least forgiving of mistakes, force you to work extra hard to make each hit count, and in general have little to no margin for error.

Well except the Splattercannon. That thing is the MAX for weaksaucers.

The PS1 Vanny was the best tank if you had a gunner that could aim and a driver named ActiveX/Baneblade. The Mag was a different, but just as deadly beast. The Prowler was the best on paper, but in actuality was just the fat chick on roller skates.

The JH was the strongest HA in a lot of scenarios, but if you missed even once, you would more than likely die.

So from the perspective of someone who doesn't have intimate knowledge of how every empire plays, the NC do seem to be easy mode.

[MrBloodworth]

NC = Libertarians. Complete with complaining about freedom, while oppressing others :)

[DerFurst]

The Vanu are the most technologically advanced of the 3 factions, yet our MBT looks like a trilobite. Guess we're also the best trolls :3

[Bakes]

I never played PS1 so i decided to go with the NC for the lore and some of the pics ive seen of them, and thats it.

[Baneblade]

NC = Libertarians. Complete with complaining about freedom, while oppressing others :)

I'm proud to be a Libertarian, even if some people believe incorrect things about us.

[Top Sgt]

TR to me feels like the old Soviet Union,

exactly why I love TR

It's order, my country could use a little more order. When you give people too much freedom.. they abuse it and things fall apart.

Plus who doesn't love mother russia?

Also for PS2 as said most of the newer players to PS will look at NC first.. colors, being the claimed "good guys", have weapon description of "hardest hitting"etc.

The average joe is gonna go "oh yeah Uber weapons.. i am joining that faction"

[Coreldan]

Plus who doesn't love mother russia?


Just about no one :D

Soviet Union was nothing to look up to. It was fail from day one, it didnt collapse for no reason. That's order for you :D

[Kalbuth]

Just about no one :D

Soviet Union was nothing to look up to. It was fail from day one, it didnt collapse for no reason. That's order for you :D

Contrary to what western propaganda tells you, you'll find many people regretting somehow this period. People having first hand information on what it was actually, being the ones who were living there, and all that stupid stuff called "first hand experience".
Not saying it was perfect. But western propaganda made it probably far far worse than it truely was.

[Top Sgt]

Just about no one :D

Soviet Union was nothing to look up to. It was fail from day one, it didnt collapse for no reason. That's order for you :D

the gov was bad yes but the troops aka military was well trained and very skilled. I've gotton to know & train with in the past some hellva operators from the former USSR.. and they are impressive in how they operated.

I'm speaking from a military view.. not government.

[Coreldan]

the gov was bad yes but the troops aka military was well trained and very skilled. I've gotton to know & train with in the past some hellva operators from the former USSR.. and they are impressive in how they operated.

I'm speaking from a military view.. not government.

Well, I've understood the military wasn't perfect either, but that mainly comes down to Stalin killing all the skilled officers cos he wasn't quite sane.

I've heard some pretty interesting stories from the var veterans (many of them are still barely alive) about how the men would simply be ordered to get slaughtered. I can't really say for sure what's a myth and what isn't, but the casualty numbers sure speak for it.

[Top Sgt]

Well, I've understood the military wasn't perfect either, but that mainly comes down to Stalin killing all the skilled officers cos he wasn't quite sane.

I've heard some pretty interesting stories from the var veterans (many of them are still barely alive) about how the men would simply be ordered to get slaughtered. I can't really say for sure what's a myth and what isn't, but the casualty numbers sure speak for it.

lol no military is perfect

But your speaking before my time (stalin)

I'm an old vet but not that old lol

[Hobitt]

I've heard some pretty interesting stories from the var veterans (many of them are still barely alive) about how the men would simply be ordered to get slaughtered. I can't really say for sure what's a myth and what isn't, but the casualty numbers sure speak for it.
Its a lie my grandfather was in the red army and no one didin't get slaughtered
+ i researched ww2 and the eastern front Order 227 a.k.a not one step backwards was rarely used and after the stalingrad victory was abandoned and the casualty rates were high because the USSR was not preapeared for war in 1941 and a lot of units were caught by surprise

[Coreldan]

lol no military is perfect

But your speaking before my time (stalin)

I'm an old vet but not that old lol

Yeah my "connection" is just mainly the Finland vs. Soviet Union wars between 1939-1944. That said, I can't say I'd like the commies of any other era though :D

[PredatorFour]

In PS 1 NC were easy mode, there is no denying that. Thats why theyll be popular again no doubt. Heavy hitting weapons that are meant to be close range but can do alot of damage upto medium range.

[Snipefrag]

I was arguing with a friend about what faction we should play, he was saying VS, I was saying TR. Eventually we got to a point where I said I thought VS would be the most popular so it wouldn't be fun, and he goes and says NC will obviously be the most popular, with the VS being the least popular.

I called bullshit, but all evidence says it is true. Why is it that the faction with the ugliest colors, slowest vehicles, and worst overall goal are the most popular?

Not sure where you getting your evidence, this isn't what I've seen. All that aside, you really wont be able to tell who is the most popular faction at launch as its based on lots of things that will probably come to light in open beta. Such as weapon balance, organisation and peoples general affinity with each empire during gameplay. People might like what an empire looks like plus their back story. But hate their ethos and find the gameplay doesn't suit their style, unless you are a PS1 vet and you don't care whether you end up firing peas through a pea shooter.

There were times in PS1 where each empire had the biggest percentage and held the most territory, and statistics that you can collate right now are going to be pretty meaningless come launch. I wouldn't attempt to base who you side with on percentages, if you really have to then the only thing remotely close to valid is the stats from the PS2 App which says the most popular is Terran, but the only thing that this might prove is that TR like Facebook/Apps more than the other two factions !

[GuyFawkes]

Its the colors that confuse the issue with the 3 factions . If the NC were red/black , the vs blue/yellow and the tr purple/teal the attitude and peoples preference might change.
The similarities of the colors directly in relation to command and conquers factions give a direct impetus that the nc are the alliance 'good guys' and the tr are the soviets , with the purple vanu akin to Yuri's minions .
If you took the basic premise that the tr is the all-powerful military empire imposing its ideals on the rest of humanity in a current context , you could argue that tr is like the modern USA now, or the british empire of the 19th century, or the roman empire . If you are in their club, great. Best thing since sliced bread. If you on the receiving end or disagreed with that ideal, you are a terrorist faction . The american collonists fighting for their natural right to self govern were militia terrorists to the colonial ruling empire.
Theres no real 'good' side to the ps factions .
I look at the tr as the old confederate of the americas (ommitiing the racist conurtations) , the nc as the union -'market' and bankers only in it for their own self interest , and the vanu as some west coast hippies out for a few E's and whizz .

[Kriegson]

The TR would obviously be the Union, since they are the legitimate government. The NC would be the confederates rebelling from the Union.

Or rather TR are the english (redcoats) and NC are american revolutionaries (blue outfits) and Vanu are french (Weird).

[Hatchak]

i only came to answer the easiest question in this forum so far, Why is the NC so popular?

Because its the best empire.

kthksbye

[GuyFawkes]

The TR would obviously be the Union, since they are the legitimate government. The NC would be the confederates rebelling from the Union. And duh the VS would be the men in black space aliens from MIB1 not MIB3 cause it sucked ass.

Now you see why the colors confuse : the tr would be the bluecoats , and the nc brown ( think of it as red for now). The tr fighting for freedom and unity , the nc fighting for freedom as long as they get to keep slaves etc.

[Dreamcast]

Isn't TR the most popular?


Im guessing because people are still stuck in the cold war mentality.

Back in 2003, I remember I kind of liked the whole freedom crap about the NC...I didn't like how they played however....I prefer the TR guns and their color and their theme.


To some people TR=Soviet Union NC=United States VS=Who cares?

[Landtank]

VS=Japan/Other extremely technologically inclined country :D

[Shogun]

easy question!

it´s a leftover from planetside 1. in ps1 all the good players were nc.

because all the stupid kids that just choose factions based on the coolness factor of the looks and colors would choose tr and all the noobs that cannot cope with arc-aiming would choose easymode lasergun and spam discoball vs.

so nc was left with the good players ;)

history repeats itself ;)

[Nephilimuk]

Free love and a natural immunity to Herpes

[GreatMazinkaise]

The Terran Republic == Fascists, not Soviet Union

New Conglomerate == Used to be Bolshevik Freedom Fighters; now they're corporate sponsored anti-fascist rebels

Vanu Sovereignty == Used to be techno hippies; now they're transhumanists as has been said

[Papscal]

Its unknown why NC is so popular. Seems that is similar to WoW. Its just a place where lemmings and the weak minded congregate.

[The Janitor]

Honestly I always like the VS just for the technological aspect. Also the Magrider being able to go over water was always awesome. Loved flanking those silly TR and NC defensive lines all pointed across the bridge, they always seemed so surprised every time it happened. It was cute watching them panic as they died.

[SoNaR]

and VS are Kool-aid drinking alien lovers.


I thought they did look a bit like wana-be Irkens... lol

[ChargerCarl]

The NC in PS2 kind of remind me of the rebels from star wars, so thats why I like them.

[NCLynx]

What's the title of this thread again?
http://i.imgur.com/P1VfR.png

[PrISM]

easy question!

it´s a leftover from planetside 1. in ps1 all the good players were nc.

because all the stupid kids that just choose factions based on the coolness factor of the looks and colors would choose tr and all the noobs that cannot cope with arc-aiming would choose easymode lasergun and spam discoball vs.

so nc was left with the good players ;)

history repeats itself ;)
Did you even play PS1?

[TheBladeRoden]

NC is the quintessential "America fuck yeah!" faction, with their blueness and eagles and stars and country music and freedom everywhere.

edit: ugh, I need to quit accidentally necrobumping threads

[HeatLegend]

Because this is your opinion

What he said.

[Senyu]

Everytime you die from a VS soldier, T-Ray's laughter will be heard.

[Hamma]

The funny thing is that in all of our old AGN faction commercials the TR were the hillbilly's.

Someone remind me to play those on the next show.

[Ratstomper]

I didn't know NC was all that popular. Most people see "corporate" and think "Screw these guys! I'm going to be purple!"

[ConsPark]

The very first thing that drew me to NC was the color scheme. There's something about that blue / yellow combination that I just love. Then it was their general aesthetics - their vehicles and weapons look rough, simple, utilitarian. Effective, no-frills weaponry. Last came the lore - the idea of being a rebel appeals to many Americans, doesn't it?

That said, I was tempted to go TR for PS2. They remind me a lot of NOD from the C&C series, and I do like NOD's style and aesthetics.

[IgloGlass]

I've chosen TR because I don't want Halo weapons and if I had to pick on modern military armor versus farmer armor I'd pick the high-tech alternative.

[Crator]

So no one here put the correlation that NC = good guys due to uniform colors (Blue/Gold) which is worn by a lot of police officers?

[Zekeen]

I find it funny when some people think one faction is chosen more than the rest. Each has their own style of.. everything! Colors, shapes, weapons, ammunition...

I chose NC because of a hoard of reasons.

First, they looked cool. Jagged armor shapes and I liked the color scheme of gold and blue. I then began to wonder "Is this the faction for me?". I looked on the walls, saw the propaganda. I liked their theme, freedom over oppression. Works for me. Then there is the heavy hitting, high armor vehicles. I liked that. The more accurate heavy hitting assault rifles. I liked that as well. Guided rockets... ... well, let's just say I now have a problem watching an NC soldier die. Just feels wrong to me now, even if it's to watch a beta video. So I became imprinted in the end.

I think all the themes and functions of the factions flow so well together, you generally like them all or not at all in the end.

[SideOfBeef]

So no one here put the correlation that NC = good guys due to uniform colors (Blue/Gold) which is worn by a lot of police officers?

No, because that's largely false. And irrelevant.

[Crator]

No, because that's largely false. And irrelevant.

You're irrelevant!

[vampyro]

I always thought TR was more popular. Their colors, plus evil image attract more people. The evil side usually more popular in mmos.

[Ratstomper]

You're irrelevant!

This whole idea is irrelevant. I actually chose NC because they are distinctly anti-establishment.

[Crator]

The idea, or the topic? It's a general question that is fun to talk about. Not sure how my statement was irrelevant in the context.

[Ratstomper]

The idea, or the topic? It's a general question that is fun to talk about. Not sure how my statement was irrelevant in the context.

I meant the NC = blue/gold = police = good guys. It just seemed really tenuous. I understand the color scheme is similar, but I think in reality the NC would be somewhat anti-policing.

I dunno. Maybe I'm jumping at nothing. Seen too many police do some not very good-guy things to really understand the comparison.

[Crator]

Oh, so you mean the "FUCK THE POLICE" stance that some take? I see... Whateva' G

[Ratstomper]

Oh, so you mean the "FUCK THE POLICE" stance that some take? I see... Whateva' G

No, that's not what I mean at all. In my eyes NC are about freedom and self-regulation, not doing sociopathic things in spite of the law. Theres a distinct difference.

Now, if you'll kindly stop trolling this thread, we can get back into some semblance of logical thought.

[Crator]

I'm not trolling... And I still don't see how my comment was irrelevant in the least...

[GuyFawkes]

I was arguing with a friend about what faction we should play, he was saying VS, I was saying TR. Eventually we got to a point where I said I thought VS would be the most popular so it wouldn't be fun, and he goes and says NC will obviously be the most popular, with the VS being the least popular.

I called bullshit, but all evidence says it is true. Why is it that the faction with the ugliest colors, slowest vehicles, and worst overall goal are the most popular?

flies always gather around shit :rofl:

[ChargerCarl]

blue and gold are california colors. i am from california. i join nc

[Ghoest9]

Vanu = people who wish they were f---king elves
TR = people who think Nazis looked cool
NC = people who like the Tea Party

[The Degenatron]

First, the Blue and Gold are not ugly. I think they look great together.

Second, Freedom baby! The NC! F*** YEA!! Comin' again to save the motherf***in' day - YEA!

Third - I'd rather make my shots count and have them hit hard than have to hold a stream of bullets on a target and feel like they're not doing enough. Always loved engaging TR at 100m with the Gauss Rifle. Pop Pop Pop Pop Pop - dead, while they just spray and miss.

[Darthkorr]

Not really. People do it all the time, especially when faced with something new where they don't know the different mechanics as much as the lore. This was seen in games like WoW; there's a reason why the Alliance was filled with new players and the casuals, at least compared to the Horde. That is in PvP of course, and before cross server PvP.


I'm familiar with the mechanics but I'm choosing based off of lore. NC all the way! Plus the hardest hitting weapons in the game? Yes plz. It can fire slow all it wants means im landing every shot where i want it and its doin DAMAGE! PLus we are Freedom fighters in EVERY sense of the word. NC!

[Troscus]

No, because that's largely false. And irrelevant.

You're irrelevant!

This whole idea is irrelevant. I actually chose NC because they are distinctly anti-establishment.

The idea, or the topic? It's a general question that is fun to talk about. Not sure how my statement was irrelevant in the context.

I meant the NC = blue/gold = police = good guys. It just seemed really tenuous. I understand the color scheme is similar, but I think in reality the NC would be somewhat anti-policing.

I dunno. Maybe I'm jumping at nothing. Seen too many police do some not very good-guy things to really understand the comparison.

Oh, so you mean the "FUCK THE POLICE" stance that some take? I see... Whateva' G

No, that's not what I mean at all. In my eyes NC are about freedom and self-regulation, not doing sociopathic things in spite of the law. Theres a distinct difference.

Now, if you'll kindly stop trolling this thread, we can get back into some semblance of logical thought.

I'm not trolling... And I still don't see how my comment was irrelevant in the least...

All of above is irrelephant. More importantly, elephants are the biggest land mammals still alive. They have been divided in two families: The Elephas and the Loxodonta. Actually, there are only three species of elephants still present: The African bush Elephant, The African Asian Elephant and the Asian Elephant (Indian Elephant). The mammoths were part of this family, but had completely disappeared by 2000 B-C.

[windlord]

The world map on facebook is completely broken or perhaps I should say non-functional.

[Ratstomper]

So stow the country hate and discuss PS2.

Seconded. Stop mixing your real world depressing bullcrap with my PS2. :mad:

[Goku]

Lets take a chill pill folks.

[Jaenus]

Lets take a chill pill folks.

Thanks Goku. :love:

[LostAlgorithm]

First, the Blue and Gold are not ugly. I think they look great together.

Problem is that most of the time it doesn't really look Blue and Gold, it looks like Blue and Light Yellow. They need to make the NC yellows darker.

[Chinchy]

A picture is worth 1000 words.

http://www.musicteachershelper.com/blog/wp-content/images/4477.easy_.png

[Kriegson]

A picture is worth 1000 words.

http://3.bp.blogspot.com/-3oCItKoN4fc/Tb9Jif3krfI/AAAAAAAAHmU/HQyDAAA-wX8/s1600/CaptainAmericaFuckyeah_Engame_Rise_Against-s750x600-145723.jpg
I concur!

[Chinchy]

I concur!

He he he

[Crator]

Lets take a chill pill folks.

Which one you got? Blue or red? Cause if it's red my body can't take it. :P

All of above is irrelephant. More importantly, elephants are the biggest land mammals still alive. They have been divided in two families: The Elephas and the Loxodonta. Actually, there are only three species of elephants still present: The African bush Elephant, The African Asian Elephant and the Asian Elephant (Indian Elephant). The mammoths were part of this family, but had completely disappeared by 2000 B-C.

Talk about irrelevancy!

[Troscus]

Talk about irrelevancy!

Irrelinfancy.

[Landtank]

Because Freedom!

http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu327/Sparta955/Freedom.jpg

[kaffis]

Since this thread got dug back up, I'm with Hamma. I don't think I ever saw global pops skewed more than maybe 36-37% in my playtime. That's pretty damn even for a moving target.

Personally, I chose NC because I fell in love with the Gauss Rifle. The fairly tight 3-round burst followed by WTF BLOOM!? felt good if you could control it well. Sure, it's not Vanu accuracy, but it was still accurate enough to reward aim.

I grew to love the Vanguard's 150mm, though I appreciated the Prowler's heavy arc on occasion -- shelling over walls into courtyards was always a fun treat, since the Vanguard couldn't really manage it. I never liked the Sparrow as much as the Burster, but that goes without saying.

It was the Gauss and the helmets that sold me on the faction, though.


And in the first months of PS1, when VS was the underpowered "common pool" empire (apart from 2 weeks of Lasher 2.0 folly), we were doing stupid stunts most of the time. Our tank was known for mowing people, not for his canon
This kind of amuses me, because you say it as if being known as the "Magmower" was derogatory towards its efficiency at killing enemies. Trust me, it wasn't. Most Magrider drivers had more kills than Vanguard gunners, I'm pretty sure. :mad: :D

[WNxThentar]

I was arguing with a friend about what faction we should play, he was saying VS, I was saying TR. Eventually we got to a point where I said I thought VS would be the most popular so it wouldn't be fun, and he goes and says NC will obviously be the most popular, with the VS being the least popular.

I called bullshit, but all evidence says it is true. Why is it that the faction with the ugliest colors, slowest vehicles, and worst overall goal are the most popular?

You base this on a sampling of you and your friend? I didn't know a sample of 2 was statistically relevant.

You'd be surprised at how balanced the empires where back in the day.

I think the 3 factions cater to 3 different play styles. But with the new customisation you can tweak your weapons to behave like one of the other empires. Then you can base it on more role playing choices. For those that say this isn't a role playing game I'll ask you "How many of you actually have fought in a war ... like this one :P"

This hopefully won't be like SWG where there was just stupid implementations of incentives. To give you an example in BETA and release if you were on the Empire's faction you could get a AT-ST as a faction reward and that pet was killer. As a rebel...furniture to put in your house. :/ I can tell you I never won a single PVP battle due to the desk I put in my office.

[Malachi]

It's not complicated - people like bullets. Lots of bullets. (I'm under the impression that TR is the most popular, btw)

[kaffis]

This hopefully won't be like SWG where there was just stupid implementations of incentives. To give you an example in BETA and release if you were on the Empire's faction you could get a AT-ST as a faction reward and that pet was killer. As a rebel...furniture to put in your house. :/ I can tell you I never won a single PVP battle due to the desk I put in my office.
Haha, I completely forgot about that.

I do hope we see population incentives come back. Even though the huge sample size will probably do a good job of eventually levelling out the 3 populations, it's nice to have a system to put a thumb on the scale to help be more stable.

[WVoneseven]

@Malachi by your logic everyone would be playing TR

You must have meant to say "people want huge bullitz"

[Malachi]

@Malachi by your logic everyone would be playing TR

Haha yeah, somewhere in there the topic had changed in my mind to "why is TR so popular"...

[archaonn]

Blue > Red/Purple

NC back story makes them look like America, while TR looks like Nazi and VS are Kool-aid drinking alien lovers.

Hard hitting weapons = Lasers > Spray and pray

So, NC has best color and back story to most, and depending on how much you like lasers best or second best weapons.

what? America? really? I chose NC beacuse they look freedom, not beacuse they look capitalism. Freedom dont mean liberalism.

The NC are clearly the guerrilla thats fighting a facist regime, something like red faction. They ranks are full of organized workers that are exhausted of having their rights taken.

[WVoneseven]

Yeah i'm with archeraonn! The people going on about NC being America make me want to play a different empire :P. I love the NC because they feel like the guerrilla faction and feel like they'd have the most effective Spec-ops recon teams... which is what I want to do!

[DOUBLEXBAUGH]

what? America? really? I chose NC beacuse they look freedom, not beacuse they look capitalism. Freedom dont mean liberalism.

The NC are clearly the guerrilla thats fighting a facist regime, something like red faction. They ranks are full of organized workers that are exhausted of having their rights taken.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/American_Revolutionary_War

[archaonn]

Lol, giving me a link to the wikipedia mean nothing. I could give you a link to every independence revolutions and it wouldnt care. And dude, NC arent fighting against a paralamentary monarchy, they are fighting a different type of goverment, a "republic".

I could give you a link to the cuban revolution or any other "army" that used guerrilla warfare tactics, and you ll see that they are alot similiar to the NC.

And if the TR isnt a facist regime, they are more like the USSR, and the NC are the eastern countries guerrillas, like the Ukrainian Black Army, trying to be indipendent.

[MacXXcaM]

TR = people who think Nazis looked cool

I see no resemblance to Nazi (or rather German WW2) uniforms/weapons/vehicles...

[LostAlgorithm]

NC is definitely Space America guys. Sorry, it just is. Well, maybe Space Texas is better. Everything's bigger in Space Texas.

So, grab a cheeseburger and fries and upgrade that soda to super-ultra-ginormous, cause Space America has arrived.

[Baneblade]

Yeah cause having Republic in the name means it actually is one.

[/USSR]

[archaonn]

Well, the lore says its a collectivist regime, and only the "communists" countries used the collectivization. I cant recall any facist regime using this type of plans.

And lets see, its a highly centralized goverment, with an oligarchic leadership, something like the Bolshevik bureaucracy. They state have a lot of power, and they rule with an iron fist. So yea, i see a lot of similarities.

[Grapes]

These "dominations" are what people are refering to as popularity, right? Cause in that case; The NC are trailing behind, by a lot... http://ctrlv.in/94029

[Caldazar]

Clearly the TR is reminiscent of the British Empire flexing their expansionist agenda. I mean come on, why do you think TotalBiscuit is such a fanboi? It clearly reminds him of the glory days of his home empire.

That being said, the NC are clearly the plantation/ land/ business owners of the new world. Lets face it though, their goals are nothing so noble as no taxation without representation and are clearly much more focused on the freedom of their profits. Nothing quite like corrupt and rampant capitalism to spur a revolution, am i right?

[Trafalgar]

With the TR, I see some references to thought-crimers in the manual (1984!), but I haven't seen any of that in the new lore, yet, though.

In the new lore, however, Brent Waterson and the military sieze power in a similar manner to Hitler with the Reichstag fire, by orchestrating a false flag attack (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/False_flag) on the Republic which takes out both Tom Connery and other TR leaders, along with the leadership of the insurgency, eliminating them as they are preparing to return from peace talks, and giving him a way to get the people to vote away all their freedoms for even harsher restrictions than they had already agreed to under Connery, all in the name of protecting themselves from the insurgency. (See http://www.planetside2.com/news/feb3backstory, and there is more info in other posts on the site as well)

This doesn't make the TR nazis. They're not racial supremacists, are they? They don't go around trying to put other races or religions or the infirm in concentration camps and gas them to death, do they? They just want everyone under their thumb, working efficiently. They're more like Yang in Alpha Centauri. You'll all be drones, and you'll all behave, or you'll get nerve-stapled. What's this, a rebellion!? Madness! Well, that's what ridiculous numbers of mindlessly obedient troops are for. (... of course, he always got his ass kicked in my games)

Those restrictions not being lifted after planetfall were presumably unacceptable to the NC, leading to the war when the NC presumably failed to get it overturned during the regular voting sessions to confirm the restrictions.

(We saw the kickoff of the war from each side in the very first new lore posts.)

Edit: Tom Connery is an autolink, but Brent Waterson has no page? Must be top secret stuff there. :V

[Dart]

I love the NC because they... feel like they'd have the most effective Spec-ops recon teams...

PlanetSide 1 disagrees with you! :rolleyes:

To me NC always seemed to be the youngest population in PS1, TR seemed to attract more of the 'military-style' players than either of the other Empires and VS was (and should always be) the lowest populated Empire.

[Trafalgar]

But of course. If you look at the new lore, it's obvious that the NC only know how to say "WTB liberty plox" to the TR. Sadly, the TR will not sell liberty for any price. They've recycled it into guns and bombs already.

[MrKWalmsley]

Ok, here is why I chose NC. Primarily I will be playing as a sniper, and a pilot. And when I say sniper, I mean sniping, not the CoD version of it which could be more accurately described as combat marksmen or CQ marksmen.

1. (TR) Quick fire, low damage shots are not tactically viable for a sniper. As the more shots you have to fire, the longer it takes to take an enemy down giving them time to take cover or at the very least react. More bullets also mean a severe increase in change of being spotted, as one bullet can catch you off guard, but as you pump out loads the enemy has the time to see where the bullets are coming from.

2. (VS) Medium damage portrays the same thing, especially when the shots get weaker over larger distances and the shot itself is far brighter. The only thing that is advantageous about VS weaponry is its slight increase in damage about the TR, and the fact that there is no bullet drop. But at the end of the day I would rather miss my target due to bullet drop and not be detected so I can move to another position and try again, than being able to hit the enemy but giving away my position, eliminating my advantage as a sniper.

So the obvious choice is to go for the NC as they have a far more powerful rifle which conveys more bonuses than just it's damage. Besides, I have a thing for bolt action rifles, I love to pace myself.

Now when it comes to piloting, VS or TR would actually be preferable for the interceptor role, but more often than not I take the air-to-ground role when in an aircraft which is capable of hovering and has missile pods, so power then becomes an advantage over speed when your job is to overwhelm an area.

Having said all of this it is an extremely hard choice to make for me. It is a shame VS look very anime, I happen to like purple, and the scythe.

[Trafalgar]

I too like the 'more powerful, less shots' paradigm, but how viable it will be for non-sniping for me will depend on how much latency/lag I experience, I expect.

I have a feeling I would have more fun with the vehicles and scythe than with infantry stuff, except I haven't got a joystick and so may not be able to compete with anyone that does in air battles. I suppose we'll see (or I may buy a wired xbox controller, because I think two sticks is pretty much perfect for controlling planes/fighters/etc, as long as the controls are configurable).

So I'm torn between NC "More powerful if you can aim! More armor too! Win-win!" and the VS niftyness (despite ranged damage falloff and very visible weapon effects).

[Crator]

Is the sniper weapons empire specific? I don't think it will matter which empire you play based on the sniper weaponry though I suppose I could be wrong. <shrug>

[kaffis]

Is the sniper weapons empire specific? I don't think it will matter which empire you play based on the sniper weaponry though I suppose I could be wrong. <shrug>
They are this time around, yes. You can see some footage of each of them in the E3 livestream. Day 2 had a lot of infiltrators, IIRC.

[MrKWalmsley]

Is the sniper weapons empire specific? I don't think it will matter which empire you play based on the sniper weaponry though I suppose I could be wrong. <shrug>

Yeah they are empire specific, and although you will be able to customize the weapons for your own gamplay, as said in the E3 vids you will not be able to say increase the power of a TR sniper to that of NC, but you will have some variety within it.

So basically you can to the best of my knowledge increase TR weapon damage and lower rate of fire but not nearly to the extent of NC weapons. Or you could increase range so bullet drop becomes less of a problem with TR and NC but you will not be able to get rid of bullet drop entirely for those factions. So it is flexibility within the factions own limits to bring them close to each other but not overlapping.

[MacXXcaM]

To me NC always seemed to be the youngest population in PS1, TR seemed to attract more of the 'military-style' players than either of the other Empires and VS was (and should always be) the lowest populated Empire.

Hm, I was indeed attracted by the real-life military style... but to the NC.

TR with its underslung gattlinguns rushing into cqc had nothing realistic to me... They are more the pseudo oppressive bad 80s movies evil faction ^^

NC are the only ones that have some reminiscences to real world armies.

[MrKWalmsley]

TR with its underslung gattlinguns rushing into cqc had nothing realistic to me...

If there is anything I am not looking forward to in PS, it's people running around with heavy weapons Rambo style. I know it was in the original PS, but to me it just really pulls me out of militaristic style gameplay and just reminds me too much of Quake and Halo. Not to start another flame war over comparing it to these kinds of games, but to me that's just the case.

But back on topic I really do hope that the factions balance out in the actual game, and I hope that NC does not end up being filled with Halo converts seeking this to be their new arcade-y FPS.

[Dairian]

NC isn't popular right now TR are way ahead. Hell even VS is above NC in FB app. Oh and the FB app doesn't apply is crap. Like all the TR use FB and NC don't. pshh

[Dairian]

Hm, I was indeed attracted by the real-life military style... but to the NC.

TR with its underslung gattlinguns rushing into cqc had nothing realistic to me... They are more the pseudo oppressive bad 80s movies evil faction ^^

NC are the only ones that have some reminiscences to real world armies.

They said that all three of the faction HA will be hip slung weapons not just the Chaingun. And in real like the mini gun is hip slung. And with a powered suits with shields and such. I am not to sure how real life the game ever was.

[MrKWalmsley]

NC isn't popular right now TR are way ahead. Hell even VS is above NC in FB app. Oh and the FB app doesn't apply is crap. Like all the TR use FB and NC don't. pshh

Having more people isn't a bragging right you know. I'd rather be on the team with the less people if we are going to talk about numbers.

[Meriv]

Having more people isn't a bragging right you know. I'd rather be on the team with the less people if we are going to talk about numbers.

Yes playing outnumbered is nice :) but in exchange we TR will get a lot more meat shields

[Dairian]

Having more people isn't a bragging right you know. I'd rather be on the team with the less people if we are going to talk about numbers.

I agree with you I would rather be on the side with less numbers so I have a better chance to kill someone. But i don't think I will have that problem in PS2. I am sure it will always be pop locked with all three factions even if NC don't have the numbers. Unless you play on a newer server. But the first servers will be packed to the hilt. I am not worried.

[MrKWalmsley]

Yes playing outnumbered is nice :) but in exchange we TR will get a lot more meat shields
How very militaristic of you... infact while we are on the subject I find it weird that the TR being the most militaristic of groups would be the one who favours spray and pray, low damage and fast fire crappy old fashioned weapons and preferring to skit around with hardly any armour when that seems to be insurgency tactics! And yet the insurgency faction uses accurate high powered and advanced weapons and uses heavy armour. Very strange if you ask me. If only TR actually were what they are supposed to be maybe my militaristic side wouldn't be calling me to NC.

[Trafalgar]

I would not be surprised to find a sizable number of NC players and potential NC players who were unwilling to use Facebook. Obviously, there is no proof, but neither is the facebook app in any way a realistic representative sample of prospective Planetside 2 players.

[Luieburger]

http://www.dumpt.com/img/links.php?file=v57pnj1pvky6ymul2ft0.png

[MrKWalmsley]

I would not be surprised to find a sizable number of NC players and potential NC players who were unwilling to use Facebook. Obviously, there is no proof, but neither is the facebook app in any way a realistic representative sample of prospective Planetside 2 players.

I sure as hell am one of them.

[Diddy Mao]

From my Experience with the Original Planetside I figured Popularity of the Factions varried on who was winning at the time. The first Month Terran Republic was completely overpopulated it was a sea of red continents. Things normalized somewhat but the theme I saw for the most part originally on Emerald was

TR > NC > Vanu

Vanu always had the lowest pop durring prime time in the Hay day of PS. From a Command standpoint if the TR was pop locked on 1 Continent we had to watch out for the rest of them. Vanu if they were pop locked we knew where they were there was no second surge.

[Malorn]

Eh. I remember checking population polls for SWTOR prior to launch and things were usually pretty even with a slight advantage to the Empire faction. Come launch the Empire vastly outnumbered the Republic on just about every server. To the point where server PvP, battleground and world-pvp, were utterly broken.

If you looked at the all-up population across all server types the factions were still very close, but it differed heavily by server type.

On PvE servers Republic was slightly ahead in pop. PvP servers were heavily empire skewed. RP servers were heavily Republic skewed. RP-PvP servers were very close.

Pre-launch there was one faction/server-type poll, and some people did analysis on the guild list to see what empire/faction/server type they chose and they saw what was going on. That's why I picked a RP-PvP server which had pretty good balance.

In every pre-game poll I've seen with a good sample size the poll has been fairly accurate. Needs to be a good sample size (at least 1000 respondants) and a representative sample though.

PS only has one server type, so you won't see that strange swtor behavior.

If they put up a faction polls around open beta timeframe on the official forums I think you'll see some accurate results. PSU's poll is probably accurate also, though I think all 3 empires are within the margin of error of the poll.

And lastly, PS experience showed that the empires were quite close. The only significant population swings I saw was after the server merges and people had multiple characters on different empires and the whole '4th empire' thing happened where a lot of people would switch empires if the empire they were playing was in a bad spot, losing on all fronts, etc.

[Lumberchuk]

Personally I'm choosing my faction based on the way their tanks feel. Depending on exactly how slow NC is vs. how mobile the VS is I'll choose one of them. I played a lot of world of tanks and I prefer the medium tanks for their mobility, however I also prefer a stronger slower firing gun to a fast firing one as it allows for more tactics IMO. It also wasn't clear how much you can customize your tanks, for instance if I could lower the armour and increase the speed on my vanguard, I would definitely do that. So i'm waiting till beta to make my decision. As for TR, though they may be fast I really don't like the idea of low accuracy. Especially in infantry weapons. My favourite weapons in BF3 for example are the G3A3 and the AN94, which rely on good aim and high damage to make up for the low fire rates. So right now NC is my first choice, however if their tanks prove to be to slow VS it is. Also if the is a major surplus of NC players, I may also have to go VS because I'm hipster like that.

[Mechzz]

Personally I'm choosing my faction based on the way their tanks feel. Depending on exactly how slow NC is vs. how mobile the VS is I'll choose one of them. I played a lot of world of tanks and I prefer the medium tanks for their mobility, however I also prefer a stronger slower firing gun to a fast firing one as it allows for more tactics IMO. It also wasn't clear how much you can customize your tanks, for instance if I could lower the armour and increase the speed on my vanguard, I would definitely do that. So i'm waiting till beta to make my decision. As for TR, though they may be fast I really don't like the idea of low accuracy. Especially in infantry weapons. My favourite weapons in BF3 for example are the G3A3 and the AN94, which rely on good aim and high damage to make up for the low fire rates. So right now NC is my first choice, however if their tanks prove to be to slow VS it is. Also if the is a major surplus of NC players, I may also have to go VS because I'm hipster like that.

Vanu? Hipster? Do not take the name of Vanu in vain. We Vanu are far more serious than that.
(even if our music is quite hip, lol)

[Meriv]

After seing the Weapon video from febbruary where they say "we are working a shoutgun for the infiltrator" the NC gets terrible nice, not only is the nicest one , if it gets his hand over a shoutgun ........ idk what will happen :cry:

[Juturna]

noobhammer. nuff said

[Meriv]

noobhammer. nuff said

I just don't want my TR medic with his AR to get a cloaked Infiltrator in range of his dam shoutgun.....

[Veraxes]

The NC are popular because there is no reason for the TR to exist anymore when the wormhole collapsed! Why be ruled by a 'republic' that has no means to send you back to Earth? The Vanu are a buncha weirdos that only wanna harness power they do not fully understand. Independence through Force!!

[Lumberchuk]

Vanu? Hipster? Do not take the name of Vanu in vain. We Vanu are far more serious than that.
(even if our music is quite hip, lol)

Lol hipster as in I hate joining the team with the most people in persistent faction games :p

[Otleaz]

Also if the is a major surplus of NC players, I may also have to go VS because I'm hipster like that.

Call it hipster if you like, but I prefer it when the enemy can't scream "ZERG!" every time they lose.

[Troscus]

Everyone saying it's just because of high damage, I thought they said you could side-grade to make EVERY empire specific weapon perform like the others?

[Landtank]

Everyone saying it's just because of high damage, I thought they said you could side-grade to make EVERY empire specific weapon perform like the others?

They can be modded to perform in a similar manner, but not quite the same.

You can't make a cycler shoot as slow as a gauss rifle or vice versa.

[Troscus]

They can be modded to perform in a similar manner, but not quite the same.

You can't make a cycler shoot as slow as a gauss rifle or vice versa.

It seems, in that case, that all it would take is an ounce of adaptability and suddenly the game play differences aren't THAT big a deal. Meaning it's all about looks/story, both of which I, personally, find the NC lacking in comparison to the other two empires. Still, objectively, they look sweet.

[Ironside]

noobhammer...
Real men fire disco balls

[Vydofnir]

I'm leaning toward NC because they seem to offer the greatest challenge of the factions. Sure their weapons hit the hardest, but that's only if you are able to hit anything in the first place. I was kinda hoping that this would make them a less popular choice for more casual players, but I can see how they might have a wider appeal in terms of back story and aesthetics. The real irony is that purple and teal are my two favorite colors.

[archaonn]

Well, we all have to sacrifice some things when we choose a faction. I love the combination of red and black, but meh, i can get along with the blue/yellow.

[Sabot]

I'm leaning toward NC because they seem to offer the greatest challenge of the factions. Sure their weapons hit the hardest, but that's only if you are able to hit anything in the first place. I was kinda hoping that this would make them a less popular choice for more casual players, but I can see how they might have a wider appeal in terms of back story and aesthetics. The real irony is that purple and teal are my two favorite colors.

Traitor...

But no, the NC is not the hardest faction to play. I can't speak for PS2 now, obviously. But in PS1 they were probably the easiest faction to play. ;P
Gauss Rifle... hard hitting and it was impossible to miss with.
Jackhammer... 'nuff said.
Vanguard... indestructable beast.
Sparrow... bye bye air cav.

Haha okay, whine over.
They do have some pretty awesome stuff though... so do the TR and VS, of course. But no, I wouldn't say they offer the most challange tbh. At least they don't offer any more of a challage than any other faction. :)

In the end I think they all were pretty balanced, the only thing that made one faction "harder" to play was due to faction population.

[Vydofnir]

In the end I think they all were pretty balanced, the only thing that made one faction "harder" to play was due to faction population.

That's why I'm terrified by the thought of NC being overpopulated. They are by far the most appealing to me in terms of gameplay, but I would much rather be an underdog facing an uphill battle than just another zerg in the swarm.

Traitor...

Maybe so, but if NC does turn out to be significantly overpopulated, I might not feel so bad about sporting a VS color scheme.

[asdar]

I thought TR was the favorite faction, I plan on joining whichever TR or NC has the lower population. I won't join Vanu because of the looks and the floating UFO's.

[StumpyTheOzzie]

Americarrrr, Fuck yeah!

I want eagle decals all over my tanks and shit.

FREEDOM OR DEATH! WOO AMERRRRICARRRRR!!!!!

/sarcasm off.

[LillRutger]

But blue looks tacky on yellow,.

Nope, it looks fantastic. And if anyone says anything else they are obviously just spreading TR propaganda.

[Trafalgar]

FREEDOM OR DEATH! WOO AMERRRRICARRRRR!!!!!

/sarcasm off.

Pshaw, the NC should broadcast Rage Against the Machine.

"This is a stick-up! Our freedom or your life!"

Fits them like a glove.

[Landtank]

Americarrrr, Fuck yeah!

I want eagle decals all over my tanks and shit.

FREEDOM OR DEATH! WOO AMERRRRICARRRRR!!!!!

/sarcasm off.

http://i660.photobucket.com/albums/uu327/Sparta955/american-flagcopy.jpg

[Trafalgar]

Oh gods, not reavers! Anything but reavers!

[archaonn]

If the NC is overpopulated it would totally suck. I would probably be doing guerrilla warfare with a couple of peeps, defending one of our bases, than staying with the main army and look like a zerling.

[berzerkerking]

VS is the small dedicated left while NC are liberalist rebels and TR are imperialist conservatives. I chose VS

[archaonn]

Lol, small dedicated left? They are more like a bunch of posivists, that tends to the right.

But like someone said, the lore gives a lot freedom.

Theres some people that think the NC are the americans. I think their ranks are full of union workers fighting for a better future, something like anarchism.

Theres a lot of people a think the TR are facists, I think they are more of a "communist" republic.

And, theres a lot of people that think the Vanu are some mad men, while I think they are a bunch of Technocratic dudes that want more the power than the knowledge.

[Hobitt]

Lol, small dedicated left? They are more like a bunch of posivists, that tends to the right.

But like someone said, the lore gives a lot freedom.

Theres some people that think the NC are the americans. I think their ranks are full of union workers fighting for a better future, something like anarchism.

Theres a lot of people a think the TR are facists, I think they are more of a "communism" republic.

And, theres a lot of people that think the Vanu are some mad men, while I think they are a bunch of Technocratic dudes that want more the power than the knowledge.
Have to agree on this one

[Sabot]

No, the NC are like... the French during WW2. Similarites can be found all over, especially in how they fight... i.e, running away most of the time. But also in their equipment and vehicles... out-dated junkyard crap. And if I'm not mistaken they're almost exlusively funded by hand outs. ;)

[Trafalgar]

The right? They're a faction of mad scientists, and the right HATES science.

< /america>


No, the NC are like... the French during WW2. Similarites can be found all over, especially in how they fight... i.e, running away most of the time. But also in their equipment and vehicles... out-dated junkyard crap. And if I'm not mistaken they're almost exlusively funded by hand outs. ;)

Correct me if I'm wrong, but the NC's tanks actually keep working after being driven around for a while without engaging in any battles, yeah? As in they don't spontaneously break down due to driving through mud and on dirt roads and the like? I'm not buying the comparison. :p

[Thoreaux]

The NC is like the Tea Party: fighting against the big evil government for freedom of powerful corporations.

[archaonn]

How do you know how they fight? beside playing with real people. And using out dated weapons, or basically anything they can find its something a lot of guerrillas did. Like the Ukrainian Black Army, when they fought the bolsheviks.

The link between the NC and the companies was destroyed with the wormhole, apparently.

[Trafalgar]

Considering the previews which showed how the weapons worked and how they were made of parts by various corporations, I'm sure some of the corporate executives came along and are still alive to run their companies (or branches of them, like the TR is a branch or evil clone of the Earth TR).

So who wants to play an NC corporate executive who doesn't do any fighting? Eh? Eh? You know you want to!

[Zar]

The NC is like the Tea Party: fighting against the big evil government for freedom of powerful corporations. thats pretty right but you forgot they do it by lies and fear mongering =P

[HenchAnt]

Forget about politics, it's the food. NC simply sounds like the faction with the real food, wether that would be poulet rôti or T-bone steaks. ;)

No wonder the TR with their stale army rations and the VS with their bland nutri gel are so mad about the NC. :rolleyes:

[archaonn]

But I like politics...and now im hungry.

[Trafalgar]

thats pretty right but you forgot they do it by lies and fear mongering =P

You mean the Tea Party, right? :evil:

[Seagoon]

Forget about politics, it's the food. NC simply sounds like the faction with the real food, wether that would be poulet rôti or T-bone steaks. ;)

No wonder the TR with their stale army rations and the VS with their bland nutri gel are so mad about the NC. :rolleyes:

I think you would find that the VS have Heston Blumenthal on their side :P

[ketarakh]

How do you know how they fight? beside playing with real people. And using out dated weapons, or basically anything they can find its something a lot of guerrillas did. Like the Ukrainian Black Army, when they fought the bolsheviks..

And NC empire colors are the same as colors of flag of modern Ukraine, blue an yellow.
Unintended reference?

[Santiak]

Lol, small dedicated left? They are more like a bunch of posivists, that tends to the right.

But like someone said, the lore gives a lot freedom.

Theres some people that think the NC are the americans. I think their ranks are full of union workers fighting for a better future, something like anarchism.

Theres a lot of people a think the TR are facists, I think they are more of a "communist" republic.

And, theres a lot of people that think the Vanu are some mad men, while I think they are a bunch of Technocratic dudes that want more the power than the knowledge.

Tieing one specific empire to a real world nation is just .. wrong.
Granted, i might be biased because i'm NC, but not American, and in no way see the NC goals (which i consider aligned with my own morals), as particularly american, or asian or european, etc. :P

In my opinion, it all depends on whether you ask someone who's a member of the empire, or someone who's opposed to it, what their views are - as any proper lore should be set up.

Ask a TR about the TR, and they're the peacekeepers, and have been for centuries.
Ask anyone else, and they're soldiers blindly following a few power-hungry leaders, a corrupted version of the government they take their name from.

Ask a NC about the NC, and they're fighting for the people, those that are denied their rights.
Ask anyone else, and they're terrorists, fighting for egotistical reasons alone.

Ask the VS about the VS, and they're fighting for the betterment of the human race, a utopia.
Ask anyone else, and they're fanatics, putting all of their faith and hopes in prophecy.

And in the end, unless there is a huge difference in population, i don't think it'll have an impact on which empire actually feels more of an underdog, except for the psychological aspect of it.
Granted, the most populated empire will be able to have fronts on more continents, and will be more likely to have groups of skilled players, but with ~666 - 1000 slots for players per empire, the general distribution will be more or less the same. Again, the only difference being - to some extent - psychological.

Edit: Oh, and general population statistics are not always representative of performance. There was a web-based challenge a month or two ago involving the upcoming "The Secret World" MMO.
The team that were the most populated, fared worse than the remaining 2, and really it shifted greatly who had the upper hand. So "underdog" status can't be assumed based on population counts alone, but i reckon the word has become synonymous with population - not performance. :)

[velleity]

Inbreeds are attracted to each other.

http://img849.imageshack.us/img849/5471/naturalselection.png

[Zar]

You mean the Tea Party, right? :evil:

yes >.<.... and the nc >.>

[Badjuju]

I got to say I disagree with the NC being the good guys/rebels. They seem like hypocrites who are just as oppressive as the TR. They want the freedom to live free based on their values yet they are the ones that declared war on the VS, because they didn't agree with theirs. That dose not scream good guy to me, but hypocrite instead. However I guess this would coincide with the American way in this day in age.

[Sensator]

I got to say I disagree with the NC being the good guys/rebels. They seem like hypocrites who are just as oppressive as the TR. They want the freedom to live free based on their values yet they are the ones that declared war on the VS, because they didn't agree with theirs. That dose not scream good guy to me, but hypocrite instead. However I guess this would coincide with the American way in this day in age.

Yeah, they declared war on the VS when in the real world the VS and NC probably would have banded together to destroy the TR--and then work out some sort of split world treaty. They had to declare war on the VS though, for gameplay purposes.

[Pepsi]

I got to say I disagree with the NC being the good guys/rebels. They seem like hypocrites who are just as oppressive as the TR. They want the freedom to live free based on their values yet they are the ones that declared war on the VS, because they didn't agree with theirs. That dose not scream good guy to me, but hypocrite instead. However I guess this would coincide with the American way in this day in age.What kind of boring game would this be if each side didn't have their own flaws?

[Madlaps]

I had a mate who wanted to go NC as well and you see the majority of outfits advertising are NC (mostly guys who haven't played PS1). It's kinda funny.

When i asked my mate, why he wanted NC - he said he liked the rebel thing and the industrial rag-tag look.

Also the various misconceptions for other factions from kids on this forum doesn't help... such as - High ROF means you're just going to be "spraying and praying".. heh

[archaonn]

And NC empire colors are the same as colors of flag of modern Ukraine, blue an yellow.
Unintended reference?

The Ukarinian Black Army was an anarchist guerrilla, so i dont think they where fighting for their country.

[MrKWalmsley]

I had a mate who wanted to go NC as well and you see the majority of outfits advertising are NC (mostly guys who haven't played PS1). It's kinda funny.
Really? The recruitment forum is overwhelmed with TR outfits, NC and VS seem to be near enough even but even then VS overtake NC!

[StumpyTheOzzie]

Inbreeds are attracted to each other.

http://img849.imageshack.us/img849/5471/naturalselection.png

I was LITERALLY stunned by that photo.

For about 5 seconds my brain just rejected all other inputs to try to understand what my eyes were seeing.

It was more effective than a tazer.

[KILLFACE]

They got Big Guns. Is another reason necessary?

[Trafalgar]

I got to say I disagree with the NC being the good guys/rebels. They seem like hypocrites who are just as oppressive as the TR. They want the freedom to live free based on their values yet they are the ones that declared war on the VS, because they didn't agree with theirs. That dose not scream good guy to me, but hypocrite instead. However I guess this would coincide with the American way in this day in age.

If you read through the backstory posted on www.planetside2.com, you'll find that one of the articles (the third one) reveals that the VS declared war on both sides after the NC went to war with the TR (http://www.planetside2.com/news/2012-10loreorigin).

From the end of that one:
“Sandy,” a voice coming from behind him called his name. He turned to see Chairman Willis Scott enter the room. “Those fools did it. This planet is now at war.”

“We’re staying neutral, sir. Aren’t we?” Sandy asked.

Scott shook his head. “We’re not siding with either of them, if that’s what you mean. But we also can’t stay on the side any longer. To save the world that Vanu once ruled, in order for humanity to reach its full potential, we must take up arms and destroy them both. We must eradicate all that stands against us. Today we have declared our Sovereignty, a Vanu Sovereignty. Only one force can live on Auraxis, and it must be us.”


Also, on the subject of the NC having corporate leaders, from the first lore post, from a TR perspective (http://www.planetside2.com/news/oct12OriginCh1Pt1):

The New Conglomerate were originally from three very different groups who came together for their mutual benefit. First and foremost there were the businessmen. They may not have been the highest of the muckety-mucks, but they ran the most powerful companies back on Earth and the Terran colonies and were sent to establish a foothold on the other side of the universe to exponentially increase company profits. They were the VPs and managers of the original conglomerates and now they were going to control the new businesses. Of course, Jones realized the bosses weren’t expecting to do any of the hard labor by themselves, so they brought along the civilian workforce, men and women paid to join the mission to build the new cities, factories and more. Once done they would return to Earth to collect their creds. Finally, because the businessmen never went anywhere without protection, they brought along the third group that made up the N.C.’s: the highly paid and highly dangerous mercenaries.

[SergeantNubins]

I think the colour scheme of the TR is a big draw to that faction. Black and red does look pretty cool, dangerous, it's what you expect of a military force. When i read about the original planetside I saw the colour schemes and the fact they had a minigun and thought i would play TR. When the game launched, the TR pop was huge on Werner, so I went NC instead and never looked back. So a lot of the people who never played PS, who are following this now, may answer the polls and put their details down, but it when it comes to launch day a very large number of people are going to decide to go with the lower population faction, whatever it happens to be.

[Top Sgt]

ummm Basti?

[ketarakh]

The Ukarinian Black Army was an anarchist guerrilla, so i dont think they where fighting for their country.
Yes they were. But colors similarity still remains.
Though I agree with you generally, NC and Makhnovtsi look ideologicaly alike. They both fight not for but against. Against authorities.

[Rago]

I Would be Purple even if i were the Last Man Standing ! :P

[Trafalgar]

Black and red ... it's what you expect of a military force.

Not sure if trolling or just has no understanding of warfare.

[Stew]

ummm Basti?

here you go another tread i told you dude avoid the tread you dont like ! how old are you ?

[basti]

here you go another tread i told you dude avoid the tread you dont like ! how old are you ?

But i actually agree with him.


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