Console gamers coming to PlanetSide 2

[Rumblepit]

i just saw this video thought it deserved some attention . i frequent many fps gaming community forums , also im a active modern fps gamer. there is a huge buzz going around about planetside 2 among console gamers and from what ive seen they will be coming in droves....bf,halo,cod, and mw players/clans and outfits heading to planetside 2.

nice job guys!!!!

PLANETSIDE 2 & E3 2012 DISCUSSION - YouTube

[Top Sgt]

lol that's my video

Just a note I play PC and console and my channel has a mix of both.

lol

[TheRagingGerbil]

More fodder to pad my kill count. :)

[arthurgca]

as long as they fit into the pace of the game

[Top Sgt]

but it is true many console only players are switching over to PC for game slike this.

Console development is at a stand still game wise.. players are tired of tiny maps with 6 vs 6 lone wolf games designed for one guy to be able to backpack an entire side by camping and win a round.

[Arokel]

I was expecting this to be an "oh no console players will ruin our game" thread.

Pleasantly surprised it wasn't.

[Rumblepit]

lol that's my video

Just a note I play PC and console and my channel has a mix of both.

lol

way to rep the game man!!!!! nice job... one of my boys in
U.N.S.T.F. showed me that today.

[xcel]

I am not to thrilled with the notion that COD players and console gamers are coming to the game. For the most part COD players and other modern FPS player are an archtype that just want to run and gun and could care less about teamwork and tactics. Planetside is NOT COD!!! If those types of people are going to come into the game with there arrogance and kill streak obsessed personalities it will ruin the game!

[Vagabond]

I am not to thrilled with the notion that COD players and console gamers are coming to the game. For the most part COD players and other modern FPS player are an archtype that just want to run and gun and could care less about teamwork and tactics. Planetside is NOT COD!!! If those types of people are going to come into the game with there arrogance and kill streak obsessed personalities it will ruin the game!

If you truly believe that will happen, then you should welcome those new players with open arms. Adopting an elitist attitude towards CoD/BF players will only make them feel that not only is the community bad, but that they are left out in the community. Consequently, with your logic, they will most likely continue to behave arrogantly and run and gun.

Help new players and bring them into the community and even into your outfits and this will help alleviate this possible issue.

[Rumblepit]

I am not to thrilled with the notion that COD players and console gamers are coming to the game. For the most part COD players and other modern FPS player are an archtype that just want to run and gun and could care less about teamwork and tactics. Planetside is NOT COD!!! If those types of people are going to come into the game with there arrogance and kill streak obsessed personalities it will ruin the game!

"More fodder to pad my kill count" hit the nail on the head.... but then again i came from console fps games and many others here did aswell. they will do fine with the combat. maybe not the teamwork...not much objective based fps games out on console.

[Top Sgt]

you'd be suprised many will come from PS3 and MAG which was 256 players and objective based gameplay.

Not all the console gamers are 12 year old cod brats.. That's cod in general PC or console.

Many console gamers are very skilled players who work well with others.. not all but it's a mix.

Either way Console gamers have taken notice to PC gaming in general and PS2.

[Revanmug]

I am not to thrilled with the notion that COD players and console gamers are coming to the game. For the most part COD players and other modern FPS player are an archtype that just want to run and gun and could care less about teamwork and tactics. Planetside is NOT COD!!! If those types of people are going to come into the game with there arrogance and kill streak obsessed personalities it will ruin the game!

Because playing one type make you unable to play another right? To believe you are are superior to them because you didn't play such a game is arrogance in itself.

Insulting cod is getting pretty old. You can do better than that.

[bpostal]

As long as I don't have to listen to 'em on voice comms.

[maskedskull]

I used to be a console gamer (although I pretty much stopped playing shooters after CoD4 and BFBC2) but I was always into the much more team orientated game modes so I don't think it is fair to lump all console gamers into the same category.

Plus, what could be more satisfying than turning a console gamer into a PC FPS'er? I'm sure a lot of people would convert to PC gaming, or at least become more team work orientated if given a chance (not all of them though but they will be cleaned up pretty quickly)

[GoldDragon]

Certainly and interesting point. I'm also worried about Console gamers who are so used to the run-and-gun lonewolf gameplay coming into PlanetSide and trying to take the scene. I feel it's this kind of stuff that ruined C-Chat in PS1. We'll see though, I'm willing to give it a chance. I like the publicity though, good to see PSide get recognized.

[Chronic]

other modern FPS player


cuz ArmA 2 and BF2 are so run and gun....


A lot of you so arrogant It's disgusting.

[Atheosim]

2000 players per CONTINENT, and there are 3 continents PER SERVER, and that's only at launch. 1000 players per server sounds lacklustre (lol) especially when it's not specifically clarified that just one of the 2000-player max continents is 64km2.

[xcel]

"More fodder to pad my kill count" hit the nail on the head.... but then again i came from console fps games and many others here did aswell. they will do fine with the combat. maybe not the teamwork...not much objective based fps games out on console.

Your right about that, but did you see the E3 footage? lol. I it was so obvious that none of the players wanted to work together at all. I kept hearing, probably a pside 1 vet, on the voice channel "Load up the galaxy, we are going to hot drop on C" a million times. No one wanted to cooperate. I realize that it was E3 and things will play out a lot differently and the players didn't really care because it was a demo. However, it just did not feel like planetside to me. Hopefully the beta will command more cooperative play.

[Vanir]

Meh, if some consol player is trying to Rambo everywhere, let them. Just more foder for my MCG. :D

[polywomple]

lol completely agree with the video.

seriously, we're in a day of age where most game developers and executives aim just for the money and not delivering a masterpiece that's fun but also SATISFYING and ACHIEVING (because we all know coordinating a quadruple gal drop and capturing a base is both of those things).

You can see they aim to make dumbed down, mind numbing simple games (cod for instance) for the "stupid masses" audience because it makes money

[ringring]

Your right about that, but did you see the E3 footage? lol. I it was so obvious that none of the players wanted to work together at all. I kept hearing, probably a pside 1 vet, on the voice channel "Load up the galaxy, we are going to hot drop on C" a million times. No one wanted to cooperate. I realize that it was E3 and things will play out a lot differently and the players didn't really care because it was a demo. However, it just did not feel like planetside to me. Hopefully the beta will command more cooperative play.

The disembodied voice was a SOE Dev. I think you're a bit too harsh on the players, most of whom were just walk ups.

[Top Sgt]

lol completely agree with the video.

seriously, we're in a day of age where most game developers and executives aim just for the money and not delivering a masterpiece that's fun but also SATISFYING and ACHIEVING (because we all know coordinating a quadruple gal drop and capturing a base is both of those things).

You can see they aim to make dumbed down, mind numbing simple games (cod for instance) for the "stupid masses" audience because it makes money

exactly!

[Warborn]

I am not to thrilled with the notion that COD players and console gamers are coming to the game. For the most part COD players and other modern FPS player are an archtype that just want to run and gun and could care less about teamwork and tactics. Planetside is NOT COD!!! If those types of people are going to come into the game with there arrogance and kill streak obsessed personalities it will ruin the game!

Did you even play Planetside? Planetside 1's gameplay was about massive zergs of disorganized players funneling themselves into meatgrinders, punctuated by the activites of a handful of organized outfits who themselves were typically responsible for advancing the battle when they showed up. Planetside was never a game where everyone was organized. Planetside 2 will not be such a game, either. Console players coming to Planetside 2 is unambiguously a good thing and we should all be tickled pink that the game's popularity will extend beyond the PC gamer crowd.

[xcel]

Ok, fine I stand corrected. I WAS WRONG!

[WorldOfForms]

Look at it this way: More players, no matter who they are, is a good thing. More players means more paying players, which means the game makes more money.

The more money the game makes, the more updates it will get, meaning better balance and cool new features.

Furthermore, the more successful the game is, the more other companies will try to copy it.

PS1 should have changed the industry. It should have shown publishers that MMOs don't have to be RPGs. The only reason it didn't was its relative unpopularity. If PS2 blows up, it could cause a MASSIVE shift in online gaming development. Because once that non-RPG door is opened, MMOs could become all kinds of things besides FPS games. The potential is unlimited.

This game's success is possibly the single most important thing for the entire industry right now.

I look back at the years since PS1's release, and all the WOW clones that came out, and all the lame-ass 12-player FPS games, and I just wonder what could have been if only PS1 had been huge.

[Hmr85]

I'm fine with the console gamers showing up. As another above me stated its just more fodder to kill. It won't take them long to realize that lone gun rambo shit doesn't work in a game like PS. Team work is what wins the day and when they are getting annhilated by outfits who work together they will quickly change their style of gaming to one more team oriented. Everybody always does eventually.

[DOUBLEXBAUGH]

"More fodder to pad my kill count" hit the nail on the head.... but then again i came from console fps games and many others here did aswell. they will do fine with the combat. maybe not the teamwork...not much objective based fps games out on console.

PS was the reason I bought my first gaming computer and convinced my parents to upgrade to cable internet (was 17 when it came out). I had no problem adjusting to mouse/keyboard (its easier) and getting into team play (I did solo a lot though). If they are good on the console they will be good in PS if they can adjust to team play.

[Arokel]

The BF community had the exact same discussion before BF3 released. They were worried about CoD players ruining the game.

We don't need to worry all that much imo. I was one of those players. I played like a CoD player the first few matches and got myself and my team punished for it. I took a step back and learned how to work with the team and the squad and not only improved my play but also had a lot more fun. One of the most fun times in BFBC2 was when I did nothing but repair a defensive line of tanks that were the key to our rush defense.

In the end people will adapt or they will leave out of frustration.

[CidHighwind]

To be honest, if console gamers are noticing, that can ONLY be good overall.

The current climate of game development and game advertisement is shifted towards the console gamer. It has been so strongly focused, in fact, that many times it can be difficult to convince a console gamer that any alternative exists!

Im going to be extremely shallow and compare it to the most extreme Apple enthusiasts (NOT ALL!!!) - you will never be able to convince them of any of the benefits of a PC, because they've been flooded with the propaganda of the marketeer.

The same goes for console gaming in general - "oh, PC's cost too much" "Oh, PC's don't have the games I like to play" "Oh, I only like to play with my friends" etc etc etc. The fact that Planetside 2 has managed to get console gamers to AVERT THEIR GAZE from their love child is an amazing accomplishment, and it is very telling of the future of gaming.

Now, who is down for a Gal Drop?

[Envenom]

Look at it this way: More players, no matter who they are, is a good thing. More players means more paying players, which means the game makes more money.

The more money the game makes, the more updates it will get, meaning better balance and cool new features.

Furthermore, the more successful the game is, the more other companies will try to copy it.

PS1 should have changed the industry. It should have shown publishers that MMOs don't have to be RPGs. The only reason it didn't was its relative unpopularity. If PS2 blows up, it could cause a MASSIVE shift in online gaming development. Because once that non-RPG door is opened, MMOs could become all kinds of things besides FPS games. The potential is unlimited.

This game's success is possibly the single most important thing for the entire industry right now.

I look back at the years since PS1's release, and all the WOW clones that came out, and all the lame-ass 12-player FPS games, and I just wonder what could have been if only PS1 had been huge.

QFT. This is spot on and you all need to re-read his post.

[Chinchy]

I'm fine with the console gamers showing up. As another above me stated its just more fodder to kill. It won't take them long to realize that lone gun rambo shit doesn't work in a game like PS. Team work is what wins the day and when they are getting annhilated by outfits who work together they will quickly change their style of gaming to one more team oriented. Everybody always does eventually.

Don't Forget the OR QUIT option. :P

[Gonefshn]

I am not to thrilled with the notion that COD players and console gamers are coming to the game. For the most part COD players and other modern FPS player are an archtype that just want to run and gun and could care less about teamwork and tactics. Planetside is NOT COD!!! If those types of people are going to come into the game with there arrogance and kill streak obsessed personalities it will ruin the game!

I disagree. Players who jump in, don't follow their squads, and lone wolf will be snuffed out. If you play like that in Planetside 2 you're not going to be competitive. Players will quickly learn how team based the game is and it is very likely we will see MANY converts from the CoD/BF crowd into true PS gamers. The game hooked me when I tried it for the first time so why can't it (in all it's glory) convert a CoD fan when they see the depth they have been missing.

Hell, if they are trying a PC title that says enough itself that they aren't stuck lock and key into more casual games.

Be hopeful! Getting these players means success for PS2!! And the game will speak for itself and convert many into new fans!

[Luieburger]

The best games have always been on PC, and they always will be. The innovation starts on PC.

[WolfAlmighty]

Good. Sounds like the console crowd is getting tired with the same old same old and want something new and different. My only hope is that the developers don't feel the need to make PS2 more like one of their games so that they feel like they fit in and instead make the game they've been planning all along. BF3 tried to do this and it turned out terribly. Then again, PS2 devs seem a lot smarter than the airheads running all the EA studios these days.

[RNFB]

The best games have always been on PC, and they always will be. The innovation starts on PC.

Mega Man is completely superior to everything that's ever been on PC

[GTGD]

It's only a good thing for console games to join in the action. Not only does it help the game's (and genre's) success, but everyone gets to have tons of fun. And for the cynics who don't want them "polluting" their environment, just think of all the extra targets there will be running around.

The last thing this game needs is an elitist community that lashes out at people who finally show interest. Let's be mature and decent, shall we?

[lawnmower]

PS was the reason I bought my first gaming computer and convinced my parents to upgrade to cable internet (was 17 when it came out). I had no problem adjusting to mouse/keyboard (its easier) and getting into team play (I did solo a lot though). If they are good on the console they will be good in PS if they can adjust to team play.

no they wont be good,, the more keyboard and mouse skill it takes the worse they will be

Because playing one type make you unable to play another right? To believe you are are superior to them because you didn't play such a game is arrogance in itself.

not if he knows he is superior to them (which btw he probably is)

Mega Man is completely superior to everything that's ever been on PC
hmm, there seems to actually be a very good chance youre serious since mega man (atleast one of them) is a very good game

[goneglockin]

Well if it PS2 did that all by itself OP, yes it'd be something. I also hang out on the escapist though and it's mostly young kids there on consoles. Lately, just in general, I have been seeing a huge uptick in the number of "help me build a computer" threads and PC gaming threads.

I think it's just that point in the cycle where current consoles are old and tired, devs are tired of working with 7 year old hardware and looking at the PC more, and planets are just in alignment for the pendulum to swing back the other way.

Either way, if PS2 manages to capitalize on that, more power to it. I'm still a little sceptical on whether or not it's just gonna fall off like PS1 did.

[Chinchy]

It's only a good thing for console games to join in the action. Not only does it help the game's (and genre's) success, but everyone gets to have tons of fun. And for the cynics who don't want them "polluting" their environment, just think of all the extra targets there will be running around.

The last thing this game needs is an elitist community that lashes out at people who finally show interest. Let's be mature and decent, shall we?

Yep. Here is a very good Wendy's commercial to dictate my feelings towards Console Lemmings finally seeing the light.

http://youtu.be/9Qd5UEfs4W8

[Grimshad]

Just watched the video, nice to see other people out there that know what their talking about. Personally I love watching the cod players waste their money buying the same game year after year. They are being milked and it's funny and it keeps the kiddies out of the games that are actually evolving and worth buying. Too bad in the end it's going to hurt everyone because the big publishers are making money off of it which is going to allow them to produce more bullshit that no one cares about and water down the industry as a whole.

[Eyeklops]

I am not to thrilled with the notion that COD players and console gamers are coming to the game. For the most part COD players and other modern FPS player are an archtype that just want to run and gun and could care less about teamwork and tactics. Planetside is NOT COD!!! If those types of people are going to come into the game with there arrogance and kill streak obsessed personalities it will ruin the game!

Troll, lol. The're called "targets." Bring'em on!!

[Pepsi]

If you want to change casual gamer behavior, you show them what they have been missing. Casual gamers play easy games like CoD because they either don't have the necessary time to invest into becoming good or they legitimately don't know better. We've all been there in one hobby or another: you're content eating bland food until someone shows you how to add seasonings, then you never go back; You're content reading Where the Sidewalk Ends until someone introduces you to Wuthering Heights or The Great Gatsby; You're content watching Bleach until you find out about Cowboy Bebop.

This can only work on the latter subset of casual gamers I described before. Once they are introduced to a "classic" they can never go back to their shallow products as their main interest within that hobby because it simply doesn't satisfy them. These casual gamers now realize that they can be satisfied so much more by following the "hardcore" fans' interests, and from that they become hardcore fans at a full moon; complete with fur, claws, and sharp teeth.

Simply put, show them Planetside 2 and more of these casual players will take the time to learn how to play Planetside 2 than you think. When they play CoD again, they will realize something is missing. CoD's shallow depth just isn't satisfying them anymore, and from there they will begin their journey as a hardcore gamer.

[PoisonTaco]

Anything that gets people to broaden their horizons is a good thing. More people discovering Planetside 2 is a good thing. Sure to many of you vets a lot of noobs from CoD or Halo or BF might dilute the waters but hey give them time and they'll mingle in right with you.

[Sabot]

Also... PS I tihnk has been the only FPS game where players actually take the time to teach newbies the game. Granted in other FPS games you don't really need a teacher as they're pretty straight forward :P
My point is; treat lost "CoD kids" the same way and they'll love the game even more, and as a result they wont troll it. There's bound to be some bad apples, as there always are... but those guys are nothing but targets to be put down... over and over again.

[Grimshad]

Well said Pepsi

[Red Beard]

"SIZZLE!" lol! ;)

[EightEightEight]

I have no problem with console players buying pc's and playing with us. What gets me is developers consoling PC games just to dual release it and try and make an extra buck.

PC games need to stay on the PC

But more players to kill or group up with is always amazzing

[therandomone]

Just watched the video, nice to see other people out there that know what their talking about. Personally I love watching the cod players waste their money buying the same game year after year. They are being milked and it's funny and it keeps the kiddies out of the games that are actually evolving and worth buying. Too bad in the end it's going to hurt everyone because the big publishers are making money off of it which is going to allow them to produce more bullshit that no one cares about and water down the industry as a whole.

You mean they're being milked like people who bought the different Half-Lifes? (This next part isnt aimed specifically at you, dont want you to think I'm attacking you, I'm not...though that first part might have been a little jab :D )
Whys everyone hating on the console player? You make it sound like you walked in on a group of them gang banging your girlfriend or something. You guys stereotype them as childish kiddies who are incapable of doing anything else but a WW1 rush for the enemy trenches. That'd be like sterotyping PC players as a bunch of elitist a**holes. And while in certain cases, both are true, doesnt mean they always are. I mean, I grew up on consoles (and eventually started PC gaming once I wasn't using dial-up, scary I know) but even on the consoles I recognized the importance of teamwork, doesnt take a PC gamer to know that. Keep an open mind is all I'm saying, this publicity is good for PS2 don't go screwing it up by being a dick.

[Purple]

First nice mention of PS2 man glad to see your on these forums.

I am not to thrilled with the notion that COD players and console gamers are coming to the game. For the most part COD players and other modern FPS player are an archtype that just want to run and gun and could care less about teamwork and tactics. Planetside is NOT COD!!! If those types of people are going to come into the game with there arrogance and kill streak obsessed personalities it will ruin the game!

it will not ruin the game. they will try to run and gun but they have no idea how to deal with teamwork from whoever they are shooting at. those small maps you may see two or three people working together but PS2 will have squads sticking together who will demolish them. anyway killstreaks will not give you any super weps.

[RedKnights]

I am not to thrilled with the notion that COD players and console gamers are coming to the game. For the most part COD players and other modern FPS player are an archtype that just want to run and gun and could care less about teamwork and tactics. Planetside is NOT COD!!! If those types of people are going to come into the game with there arrogance and kill streak obsessed personalities it will ruin the game!

If they don't use Teamwork, you will be easy pickings, bloody bring it :evil:

[GuyFawkes]

I am not to thrilled with the notion that COD players and console gamers are coming to the game. For the most part COD players and other modern FPS player are an archtype that just want to run and gun and could care less about teamwork and tactics. Planetside is NOT COD!!! If those types of people are going to come into the game with there arrogance and kill streak obsessed personalities it will ruin the game!

I understand your fears , but think for a moment .

Theres so many new gamers that have come onto the horizon since 2003 . You ask many wow players , and they dont even know eq2 exists . They bought the game in walmart , or play on consoles and only use their pc to go on facebook.

The anal attitude you expect is what they have grown to be the norm . It's ignorance of the greater picture they lack . Some, guaranteed , will never change . I almost expect to see a bunch of tkers who just log on and run around being retards and being a pain . But the main part , the ones that are more mature may get into this and change the general attitude of their peers for the greater good.

It's people like the OP,and the guy that made the video, I see as the true next line of vanguards for Planetside2 rather than the old ps1 vets. Ps1 vets are going to be a small minority whether we like it or not .

Having fresh blood promoting the game in whatever form , and holding a torch towards teamplay , immersion, depth can only rub off eventually.

I played ps1 in its infancy , my son was 8 at the time and he played the original . Since then he's played all the mw3/cod etc etc on consoles and is so eager to play ps2 . He's now almost 17 , has a bunch of friends he's promoting the game to . He hasn't touched his xbox in ages. Just like in the video , most of the games are tired and lack innervation to him and his friends. He and his friends take their pc's and lan together more nowadays and ps2 is just what they are all looking for.
Deriding people just because they come from cod etc is a tad unfair and generalising at best. There's just been little choice , or ignorance that something else exists. The original ps1 was so buggy with countless problems and bad decisions , lack of development etc and zero publicity .

Plus, as a final note . I've met many young people sub-16 with more maturity and vision than many 30+

[Figment]

Honestly, console gamers aren't necessarily any different from random stray PC players.

Besides, if they were kiddies then, they be teens now and young adults soon. Maybe they grew/grow up a bit?

So meh.


More players == more PvP content == more players == more money == more continuous development == good for all of us

[chipshop]

people are gaggin for the next gen games and platform, which is and always has been the PC. i don't think it's really the gamers that is the problem but the successful model that was COD. it's wreckin almost everythin at the moment - apart from indie development. indie development is where its at.

I don't know if SOE can be considered to be indie. but there seems to be an indie attitude - from what i can see though they have taken the best part of COD (a responsive and fun shooter engine) and are bringin a persistant and massive online teamwork focused gamin experience (ETA - onrereadin that was quite the sentence).

someone earlier posted sayin this could be the most important game in current development and i agree. this game along with other changin tropes will make 2012 a year where gamin truly evolved.

[GuyFawkes]

someone earlier posted sayin this could be the most important game in current development and i agree. this game along with other changin tropes will make 2012 a year where gamin truly evolved.

Maybe the Mayans foresaw this , the end of the old world and the discovery of Planetside world in 2012 :groovy:

[Grimshad]

You mean they're being milked like people who bought the different Half-Lifes? (This next part isnt aimed specifically at you, dont want you to think I'm attacking you, I'm not...though that first part might have been a little jab :D )
Whys everyone hating on the console player? You make it sound like you walked in on a group of them gang banging your girlfriend or something. You guys stereotype them as childish kiddies who are incapable of doing anything else but a WW1 rush for the enemy trenches. That'd be like sterotyping PC players as a bunch of elitist a**holes. And while in certain cases, both are true, doesnt mean they always are. I mean, I grew up on consoles (and eventually started PC gaming once I wasn't using dial-up, scary I know) but even on the consoles I recognized the importance of teamwork, doesnt take a PC gamer to know that. Keep an open mind is all I'm saying, this publicity is good for PS2 don't go screwing it up by being a dick.

Let me elaborate. I wasn't hating by any means (although your right there are a lot of console kiddies and also a lot of elitist assholes). I was actually focusing more on the making fun of people who keep buying cod over and over again even though it's the same game again and again with minor changes. As well as how wrong it is for publishers to milk players just because they can.

Mainnote: I welcome console gamers to PS2 with open arms, like everyone else has said, more fodder. Or maybe some of them will discover the world of communication and teamwork and awesomeness that the PC can bring (like planetside 2) and convert :P

[Kipper]

Never has the phrase "don't hate the player, hate the game" been so apt imo.

I prefer playing with a team and employing some tactics in a shooter, and for the first few weeks after something good comes onto the scene, while people I know are still interested - that's exactly what happens.

Then people move onto other things and then you're left only with being able to join random battles if you want to play the game. I like occasional WoT. Not often enough to have a clan, so the only option I have is random matches where more often than not, the team doesn't work as a team, just a collection of individuals.

It is at this point when you have to play for yourself - even when you know its a mad thing to do - because joining random games and trying to organise a bunch of complete strangers to bend to your tactical will is going to be like herding cats (made of jelly, and possibly through a pool of glue). It just isn't gonna work.

Planetside/MMO offers another way though - because its not instanced, even if your friends move on to other things or aren't always there, you will see the same names, same outfits over and over again and that gives you the opportunity to build friendships and broaden your base of people who you can share the game with and ultimately form squads, platoons and outfits with.

Also, while there will be dicks, people are more likely to behave like that in 'throwaway' instance games where they aren't likely to encounter the other players again, in PS/MMO - you don't have the same obscurity, players will become well known for being good (or being dicks) and those that ruin the game will not find themselves being able to play with good teams.

[chipshop]

Planetside/MMO offers another way though - because its not instanced, even if your friends move on to other things or aren't always there, you will see the same names, same outfits over and over again and that gives you the opportunity to build friendships and broaden your base of people who you can share the game with and ultimately form squads, platoons and outfits with.

Also, while there will be dicks, people are more likely to behave like that in 'throwaway' instance games where they aren't likely to encounter the other players again, in PS/MMO - you don't have the same obscurity, players will become well known for being good (or being dicks) and those that ruin the game will not find themselves being able to play with good teams.

i'm totally new to this kind of gameplay. i never considered this before but i guess after a faction is picked, you would tend to find a server that suits so when you come back after a break you go back into the same battle? i'm so use to just playin with a small group of mates in amongst a tonne of randoms. this concept alone sounds so awesome.

this would totally cut down on the wabs in the games. this is somethin that does not happen at all on consoles

[Marsgrim]

I'm happy to see the console gamers come in. Stereo-typing them is pointless, they're not all going to be kids or assholes and the more people the better. If they don't work as a team then they're free BEP, if they do then the fights are just more exciting.

Even if they like solo play, it's still more exposure and more people playing the game which will mean more investment from SOE. It's only a positive.

[PredatorFour]

Its quite arrogant to think that a console gamer isnt as good at teamwork as a PC gamer. The truth is they might be better at it than a PC gamer, afterall what is the difference between a PC and a Console gamer?? The methods of playing i.e. keyboard vs pad. Just because you might use a keyboard instead of a pad doesnt make you in any way greater, wiser or more dedicated at teamwork.

[UKSwiFT]

Yeah, I'd have to say welcome, welcome, welcome to all people wanting to play PS2. There's no room for elitest bullshit when it comes down to it. Everyone deserves to play this game and have fun.

[Talented Maori]

I say let the lone wolves come, I am in a clan of organised people who have been playing an objective based game for the past two and half years, just more loners to power through.........., or recruit if they show team spirit!!

[Marsgrim]

Edit: NVM.

[Dreamcast]

I don't see why people are talking crap about Lone Wolfs.



Lets be honest most squads in Planetside arn't the special ops you guys make them out to be....A lot of the times sqauds arn't even next to each other in infantry combat...is not like people suppresse fire while their squad mates move up or something.


Not saying their isn't some amazing teams out their but lets not exagerate, that most people in planetside work perfectly in teams.


So I don't see how a Lone Wolf will have a huge problem in a big battles fighting a long side with allies.


I loved lone Wolfing in Planetside

[megamold]

I disagree. Players who jump in, don't follow their squads, and lone wolf will be snuffed out. If you play like that in Planetside 2 you're not going to be competitive. Players will quickly learn how team based the game is and it is very likely we will see MANY converts from the CoD/BF crowd into true PS gamers. The game hooked me when I tried it for the first time so why can't it (in all it's glory) convert a CoD fan when they see the depth they have been missing.

Hell, if they are trying a PC title that says enough itself that they aren't stuck lock and key into more casual games.

Be hopeful! Getting these players means success for PS2!! And the game will speak for itself and convert many into new fans!

you took the words right out of my mouth.

i noticed this in a smaller scale when bf3 came out.
the first 2 weeks the servers were littered with cod players, and since bf3 is a little more tactical then cod ( but not that much ) and it plays a little different, they either adapted or quit.
after about a week you could notice that they were leaving or adapting in droves.

[Dreamcast]

you took the words right out of my mouth.

i noticed this in a smaller scale when bf3 came out.
the first 2 weeks the servers were littered with cod players, and since bf3 is a little more tactical then cod ( but not that much ) and it plays a little different, they either adapted or quit.
after about a week you could notice that they were leaving or adapting in droves.

But thats because of style of gameplay that they quit...Not because of teamwork.


Like I said you guys make it sound as everybody in Planetside 2 uses teamwork...As if they use suppresing fire for other troops to move up.

Thats not the case...Im sure a lone wolf could survive just fine fighting with other people on big battles.

[Vanir]

For those console gamers not used to playing with keyboard and mouse.

http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/en-us/p/xbox-360-controller-for-windows

[Top Sgt]

I have huge hands myself I'm 6'7" 280+ so regular keyboard has never been comfortable for me

I use one of these and I love it. Works great with my huge hands.

http://www.thinkgeek.com/images/products/zoom/e809_razer_nostromo.jpg

[SgtMAD]

the last MW3 sold 7.75 million copies in NA,14 mil. worldwide,if SOE can snag 10% of that market they will make money on this game,
they don't need to hold them very long, just long enough to get them to blow some cash in the shop.

that should mean the rest of us that hope to stick around will get to see a constant flow of dollars into development of new content.

that is a good thing.

on another point,how many servers would it take for 800k players?

what if they grab 20%?

all you ppl from the console forums need to get to goddamn work, report back here when you have some POSITIVE news!!!!!!

[p0intman]

lol at the notion that console players will last an hour.

[SgtMAD]

this game is going to be a blast for the first few months,

once the "new" wears off is when the real test begins

[Malstrum]

Personally, I think that console gamers switching to PC to play games like Planetside 2 is a good thing. I used to be primarily a console gamer and only really played PC for strategy games like C&C and the occasional MMO such as Planetside 1 and WoW, until about 2 years ago I switched platforms and have never looked back since. As other's have pointed out the more players that come to the PC market and play games like Planetside 2 means that there's a greater likely-hood that more games along the lines of Planetside 2 will be put into development, so we can expect much larger games with greater production quality using FtP models, which is great.

I agree with TopSgt, the console market at the moment is at a stand still because the same franchises are releasing very similar, or sometimes the exact same content from the previous games to milk the most money out of consumers as possible, however, if games like Planetside 2 do become very successful then other developers will jump on the band wagon and begin making new, innovative games or games with similar mechanics as PS2. This could potentially mean for a far bigger PC gaming community with potential new games and/or a better console gaming platform, which as a gamer, sounds absolutely fantastic.

[Death2All]

I find comfort in knowing that I'm going to be killing the shit out of Console plebeians that have perpetuated the development of shitty games and led to the downfall of many great titles. I hope they all play PS2 and get their asses handed to them and start to wake up once they realize how awful CoD is.

[Nasher]

For those console gamers not used to playing with keyboard and mouse.

http://www.microsoft.com/hardware/en-us/p/xbox-360-controller-for-windows

You really want to use a control pad in an FPS game where everyone else will be using keyboard+mouse? You would get facerolled :P

[Crator]

You really want to use a control pad in an FPS game where everyone else will be using keyboard+mouse? You would get facerolled :P

Not certain that is necessarily true. I really think it depends on personal preference (what you are good at using).

[Nasher]

Not certain that is necessarily true. I really think it depends on personal preference (what you are good at using).

Control pads are to slow to turn with and far less accurate. That's why a lot of console games usually have some form of aim assist. You would never hit a player at long range or one strafing circles around you.

[Crator]

Never thought about it but I think you're right. I'm not much of a console gamer but have played a few FPS on the console before. As a keyboard/mouse player I would defiantly agree with the aim comment however I can't speak for those would are avid controller users who know how to use them.

[Rexdezi]

Wow... the amount of arrogance in this thread is absolutely mind numbing.

My favourite game of all time is Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare on the Xbox 360. There, have a go at me for it.

ugh... have a pop on over to my introduction thread, do I sound like one of these "console kiddies" or any of the other derogatory comments some of you have been using to describe people who like to play on a console?

You know I would love to play PS2 with my 360 controller, and you know what I think id be far better than if I used my mouse and keyboard, maybe not in the long run but at the start of course I would. I've been using a controller to play FPS games for a long long time and the only experience I've had with mouse and keyboard FPS's are... *looks at my steam account* 17 hours on TF2 and 41 minutes on Counter Strike Source.

Yet I want to get deep into the team element of the game... but I come from a console background! OMG shock bloody horror, the way some of you are going on I am a Paradox or something.

Not everyone on a console, not everyone who likes Call of Duty (admittedly, MW3 sucked balls) is a whiney little kid who screams down there mic, and you know its extremely insulting that you make out that is the case.

Rexdezi

[LegioX]

I just have a bad taste in my mouth whenever i hear console being discussed or the thought of console gamers coming over to PS2. In the past 5 years, consoles have done nothing but bring PC gaming and the gaming market in general backwards. COD series case in point. Perfect game for PC, but went downhill fast went the console crowd got ahold of it. BF 3 is also another prime example on how developers now a days dumb down games to support the masses. It will take alot for me to change my mind on those facts.

[PrISM]

http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/12/121367/1722317-pc_gaming_master_race_by_claidheam_righ_super.jpg

[Stew]

i just saw this video thought it deserved some attention . i frequent many fps gaming community forums , also im a active modern fps gamer. there is a huge buzz going around about planetside 2 among console gamers and from what ive seen they will be coming in droves....bf,halo,cod, and mw players/clans and outfits heading to planetside 2.

nice job guys!!!!

PLANETSIDE 2 & E3 2012 DISCUSSION - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gi0UlMFqDMA&feature=related)

Yeah because as a console and PC players i make some planetside propaganda and a let know people what planetside 2 can offer to them especially at MAg players and game like this .. planetside 2 need tons of players and suport so yeah iam glad if many hardcore console gamers realize thats Hardcore gaming is now back on PC and consoles are NOW Wii 1 Wii 2 Wii 3 kinect , moove all thats shit !

hardcore gaming

and btw almost 50 5 of my Xbox 1 friendlist was also planetside 1 players

[Marsgrim]

Wow... the amount of arrogance in this thread is absolutely mind numbing.

My favourite game of all time is Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare on the Xbox 360. There, have a go at me for it.

ugh... have a pop on over to my introduction thread, do I sound like one of these "console kiddies" or any of the other derogatory comments some of you have been using to describe people who like to play on a console?

You know I would love to play PS2 with my 360 controller, and you know what I think id be far better than if I used my mouse and keyboard, maybe not in the long run but at the start of course I would. I've been using a controller to play FPS games for a long long time and the only experience I've had with mouse and keyboard FPS's are... *looks at my steam account* 17 hours on TF2 and 41 minutes on Counter Strike Source.

Yet I want to get deep into the team element of the game... but I come from a console background! OMG shock bloody horror, the way some of you are going on I am a Paradox or something.

Not everyone on a console, not everyone who likes Call of Duty (admittedly, MW3 sucked balls) is a whiney little kid who screams down there mic, and you know its extremely insulting that you make out that is the case.

Rexdezi

Relax, hardlly anyone thinks that.

[Stew]

I just have a bad taste in my mouth whenever i hear console being discussed or the thought of console gamers coming over to PS2. In the past 5 years, consoles have done nothing but bring PC gaming and the gaming market in general backwards. COD series case in point. Perfect game for PC, but went downhill fast went the console crowd got ahold of it. BF 3 is also another prime example on how developers now a days dumb down games to support the masses. It will take alot for me to change my mind on those facts.

If games like MAG or killzone 2 is a backwards for you i dont know whats to say iam not either PC or console fanboy iam a gamers and i enjoy good games !

Console now are outdate thats why developpers bring thing down to fit Consoles specs but back in the day my x360/ps3 was better than my high end pc ;)

[Electrofreak]

Wow... the amount of arrogance in this thread is absolutely mind numbing.

My favourite game of all time is Call of Duty 4: Modern Warfare on the Xbox 360. There, have a go at me for it.

ugh... have a pop on over to my introduction thread, do I sound like one of these "console kiddies" or any of the other derogatory comments some of you have been using to describe people who like to play on a console?

You know I would love to play PS2 with my 360 controller, and you know what I think id be far better than if I used my mouse and keyboard, maybe not in the long run but at the start of course I would. I've been using a controller to play FPS games for a long long time and the only experience I've had with mouse and keyboard FPS's are... *looks at my steam account* 17 hours on TF2 and 41 minutes on Counter Strike Source.

Yet I want to get deep into the team element of the game... but I come from a console background! OMG shock bloody horror, the way some of you are going on I am a Paradox or something.

Not everyone on a console, not everyone who likes Call of Duty (admittedly, MW3 sucked balls) is a whiney little kid who screams down there mic, and you know its extremely insulting that you make out that is the case.

Rexdezi

I don't think anyone is saying everyone who plays CoD is a whiny kid. But I know several people who play CoD & MWD3 and usually all they care about is their K/D ratio and their ranked position at the end of the map. They're generally not really team players.

So I'm just speaking from personal experience. Perhaps if they started playing PS2 they would become team players, but right now it's all about how many people they managed to pwn in a match. :-\

[Envenom]

http://media.giantbomb.com/uploads/12/121367/1722317-pc_gaming_master_race_by_claidheam_righ_super.jpg

QFT

[Gandhi]

PC, console, tabletop, it doesn't matter. They're all welcome to the barrel of my gun

[Gonefshn]

Another thing. All those console gamers who are used to using a controller are going to get wiped in PS2. I am average with an xbox or ps3 controller at shooters. I am waaaayyyy better with a mouse and keyboard. It can take time to learn to use MnK effectively.

Everyone has to start somewhere. There was a time before anyone played planetside. We all were "converts" at one point or another so it stands to reason that anyone who plays those console shooters that tries planetside 2 will do one of two things.

1. Hate it, whine about how they can't be rambo and stop playing.

or

2. See the light and realize the depth and community that they have been missing from their FPS games.

Most will probably be option 2.

[ThermalReaper]

Well said. We should still treat them well. Who knows, maybe they will become other PC gamers and maybe this would influence(wrote it infulunece the first time) the gaming companies that there is always room for both platforms.

[Revanmug]

I don't think anyone is saying everyone who plays CoD is a whiny kid. But I know several people who play CoD & MWD3 and usually all they care about is their K/D ratio and their ranked position at the end of the map. They're generally not really team players.

So I'm just speaking from personal experience. Perhaps if they started playing PS2 they would become team players, but right now it's all about how many people they managed to pwn in a match. :-

Because that's the point of the game? Damn! A game with a different goal than another game! SHOCKING!

[Electrofreak]

Because that's the point of the game? Damn! A game with a different goal than another game! SHOCKING!

:rolleyes:

I guess you missed the part where I said

Perhaps if they started playing PS2 they would become team players...

but we won't know until PS2 launches, now will we? Otherwise this is all a bunch of speculation. I'm not saying console gamers are going to ruin PS2. If they adapt to the team play mentality then I welcome them!

[HEISTT]

I don't think anyone is saying everyone who plays CoD is a whiny kid. But I know several people who play CoD & MWD3 and usually all they care about is their K/D ratio and their ranked position at the end of the map. They're generally not really team players.

So I'm just speaking from personal experience. Perhaps if they started playing PS2 they would become team players, but right now it's all about how many people they managed to pwn in a match. :-

I'm also a former CoD player and ofc the amount of kills you get is important. Those kind of games don't have much going for it besides going on a killing spree solo, team work isn't as effective there as it will be in PS2.

Since this game got to my attention (thanks to TB's vods) I'm stoked about getting into this game and I am following it quite closely. My plan is to be a key player regarding logistics in the outfit that I will be joining. Pulling off successful drops or other coordinated assaults on control points will be way more satisfying than getting that 5-10 kill streak on CoD.

I do believe some of the CoD players will try to rampage on their own in PS2, but I do not think it will be a great problem as some people like to think. The more players in the game the better.

[LegioX]

I'm just so glad PS2 is coming out. I saw the previews of MOH and Black Ops 2, and it looks just like the same ol rehashed crap. If console players want to come over. More power to them, but dont try and dumb down the mechanics.

[Timealude]

I remember when I started playing planetside and i used to be a halo player at that time, i tried to lone run and gun but i got steam rolled and it was then that i learned you have to work as a team to win in this game. Im sure the others will learn that lesson alot faster then me including with all the new things we have....steam rolling will happen majorly and then we will teach the noobies how to play a real mans/womens game......the game of team work strategy.

[Nasher]

I tell you though. Even in PS1 there was a big use for this "killwhore" mentality. You had guys that just kicked ass at killing and could hold a base with 3 to 1 pop disadvantage. As CR5's you could coordinate and use this to your advantage to further empire goals. At then end of the day it all works together and is welcomed. But you killwhore types have to group up together against such numbers as will be in PS2. You'll find it fun.

Yea but that was early on in PS1. It's been about 8 years since then and a lot of the people going in to PS2 will know what they are doing from day 1. New players will find it hard even getting a kill if the majority of the attackers/defenders of a base are an organized platoon/squad no matter how hard they rush in :P

[Furret]

Quick Preface: I am a 6 year PS1 vet, started playing in 2006 or 07 during the reserve program at the age of 11. I am now 17, and a twitch FPS PC gamer. I play PC COD MW3 competitively, as well as some Counter-Strike.


One thing that's really bothering me about peoples attitudes is this statement: "All they care about is their kill death ratios at the end of the game".

To this, I respectfully say NO SHIT.

That's like being angry at a starcraft player for only caring about how many minerals they collected and saying that that mentality will never work for planetside.

Of course it will never work, planetside and call of duty are completely different games with completely different objectives. Call of Duty is instanced, and the only permanent statistics are kill death and wins and losses. Therefore it would make sense for a person playing a game about kill death to worry about kill death.

Also, not all call of duty players are alike. Instanced FPS games still require tactics at the higher levels. Planetside tactics are generally more broad; You guys go this way and drop here, you guys push this way, and you guys suppress this area. Twitch FPS tactics are the exact same, they just need to be made more quickly, but can be much less well planned out and still work properly.

I will agree that not all console gamers/"cod kiddies" will be able to make this transition, but fortunately humans are a relatively adaptable and intelligent species. When I started playing at 11, the age many of you are worried about, I was very confused about the game. After wandering around the sanctuary for an hour, I was getting very frustrated and was on the verge of quitting.Then I got an invite to a random squad and started using the squad chat to talk to people. Everyone was very helpful and I learned quickly about the broad mechanics and began joining squads and talking to people. If it weren't for the great community I certainly wouldn't be on this forum right now.

Moral of the story: If you hear a squeaky voice on the local comms asking you what is going on, don't tell them to fuck off to their mom, help them out because they might be genuinely interested in this cool new game they got for their birthday, and could easily become a valuable player in a few years. After all this is Planetside 2, and games last longer than 10 minutes. This game will only succeed if the community is polite and helpful. So as an ex-console kiddie I'd like to ask the community to extend the same gracefulness and genuine kindness to any new players that i was given 6 long years ago.