Will Beta TOS allow making videos?

[Chewy]

Like the title says. Will we will be able to make videos of the beta or will the TOS be against it like just about every other beta Iv tested?

Seeing how the Devs have been so open with alpha footage, I don't see much reason to block it. But Im not a PR person so I need to ask.

[Turdicus]

There will be one of those confidentiality thingies for the beta. Definitely for the closed beta, and I don't know for sure about the open one. But yeah they mentioned there would be an NDA

[Tarconus]

Like the title says. Will we will be able to make videos of the beta or will the TOS be against it like just about every other beta Iv tested?

Seeing how the Devs have been so open with alpha footage, I don't see much reason to block it. But Im not a PR person so I need to ask.

Good question but with Totalbiscut putting footage up as well as the E3 streams I would hope they would allow it.

[Exmortius]

i would expect them to give a greenlight eventually for beta footage. most likely when they are about ready to launch it and end beta. although they might decide to not do that if they hype it up from their own beta footage and want to actually market it hardcore. definitely a good question though imo.

[Chewy]

Can't tell you how many times I tried to start a lets-play or just a few clips mashed up. Every time I try I somehow ruin it due to my OCD of must having it be the best I got or forget to record the blind run. Either way I end up deleting HOURS of footage.

I figure that if I can get some beta videos of the mass chaos early, then I just might be able to finally start something. Everyone gotta start somewhere and having a limited item helps a lot.

If the NDA does block videos, then I'll just have to find a gimmick elsewhere.

[Kran De Loy]

Wouldn't be surprised if they didn't allow footage of close beta stuff, but released players to post it after they lift the NDA.

Doing it that way would cover they're bases about having certain parts of the game they do not want getting released to the public before they're ready to do so.

It would also generate a ton of free, fan made publicity for them once they lift the NDA.

[PS2TV]

I think that the NDA will definitely be in effect. With TotalBiscuit they have control over the media that is released through his agreement (Very TR of them).

I know that we're planning on recording most of our beta footage if it is allowed, and releasing it upon the lift of the NDA. :)

It's probably something they'll address with the release of the beta, or close to the release. Until then- we can only speculate.

[DarkChiron]

I also plan on some heavy video creation from my beta experiences, once it's allowed. I think my viewers will be fairly excited about it. And if they're not, I'll MAKE them be excited. This game deserves nothing less. :D

I plan on recording footage anyway for testing purposes, though. If you find a bug, it's much better for them to SEE what you were doing rather than trying to explain to them what happened. Of course, even having private videos up may be against their rules. I wonder if they'll have a submission service to upload video of bugs?

[Hamma]

There will be an NDA like any other Beta so until the green light is given folks will not be able to record video.

[Bazilx]

There will be an NDA like any other Beta so until the green light is given folks will not be able to record video.

Technically, they won't be able to RELEASE video.

[kaffis]

Technically, they won't be able to RELEASE video.
Depends on how the NDA is written.

They may not want closed beta video released post-NDA lift; if there are ugly or obvious bugs or balance concerns, that can cause some PR damage even if you've got the official line going "but that's not in-game anymore!"

[Mechzz]

Given that it seems some form of closed beta may well be underway as we speak, can any of our internet detectives track down a wee youtube vid or 2?

That would put it to the test!

[fishirboy]

Can't wait for the videos to poor out, it will be minecraft overflows again, love it!

[Nax]

The reason there is an NDA for beta is because Total Biscuit is partnered with them and wants exclusive rights to record, so he gets all the views. Don't try and says its because its a beta we have seen tons of footage already.

[Hamma]

Honestly I would not release pre-NDA footage.

I don't think it has anything to do with TotalBiscuit - SOE may have thing in the game we have not seen yet and do not want released.

[Chewy]

Honestly I would not release pre-NDA footage.

I don't think it has anything to do with TotalBiscuit - SOE may have thing in the game we have not seen yet and do not want released.

I understand, you have to keep some things under raps for a number of reasons. It's always a good idea to keep an ace in hand. We'll just have to read the NDA when the time comes.

If nothing else it will be a great way to have some fun. I just hope that we get to see some good glitches and bugs. Nothing is better than a good WTF moment.

[EVILoHOMER]

You can record all you like but just don't upload it.

[DarkChiron]

You can record all you like but just don't upload it.

Indeed.

But as I said earlier, I hope they're considering some way to allow for video of bugs to make it to them.

[fishirboy]

When beta come out (closed) will outfits be able to record and post videos of there journeys before the game comes out in the open and full release. I got an email today saying that if you post beta footage that you will be banned. Why? Would that not promote excitement by letting people make videos about it?

Tell me why and why not to post videos? Cod and BF3 benefit from it why not PS2?

[GreatMazinkaise]

When beta come out (closed) will outfits be able to record and post videos of there journeys before the game comes out in the open and full release. I got an email today saying that if you post beta footage that you will be banned. Why? Would that not promote excitement by letting people make videos about it?

Tell me why and why not to post videos? Cod and BF3 benefit from it why not PS2?

It's the whole NDA thing... y'know "I promise I will shut the fuck up until the NDA is lifted"?

The CoD/BF3 betas were apparently game demos more than they were actual closed betas.

Not hard to explain.

[willaguy]

The devs dont want to spoil it for people who dont play the beta.

[SixShooter]

To answer your first question, no you will not be able to post vids. NDA is NDA is NDA and thats all anyone really needs to know.

[MgFalcon]

There has been threads about NDA before: http://www.planetside-universe.com/showthread.php?p=683522&highlight=nda#post683522

There will of course be an NDA. Transparency can be a good thing, and those guys have done a great job of providing you guys with what's going on. The unfortunate side of Beta is many people make their purchasing/play decisions based on what they see (You can only make one first impression) so we want to ensure those impressions are polished content.

Please use our search function :)

[Coreldan]

Many NDAs also forbid releaseing footage from the time NDA was active even after the NDA is lifted. So any footage taken during NDA is forever bound to it and after NDA is lifted you can only release footage that has been taken after the NDA was lifted.

Also, they said "closed beta starts in two weeks, open beta a few weeks from that......", and I doubt they'd have NDA in place in an open beta anymore.

[SpcFarlen]

We wont know till we get beta. Though having a really secretive beta controlled by an NDA can really shoot any game in development in the foot. It is free publicity, and unless the game has huge flaws they are trying to bang out during a beta session there really isnt a point.

A good example is GW2 where people are streaming every time there is one. If a problem arises, people talk about it and a change is made.

[fishirboy]

It has come to my attention and it seems that beta videos will not be allowed. Why? I under stand that from what they said that people would shun the game because of glitches and stuff that is happening in beta. I understand that the forum people aren't all stupid. But showing people picture and videos of beta. How many of you would understand that BETA means bugs, glitches, and people on forums and other places would tell what is wrong and the devs would fix it latter. I am saddens that video game company's don't look back at Minecraft and see how that worked people posted open videos, they were fun and exiting to try out and beet the devs to the bug and they will be resting levels and ground taken every time they update. I would like to see a full awnser of a dev and not just "we cant tell you right now" that makes me feal like there just :lol: and I fell like most internet people have grown up and understand what the heck is going on.

[NCLynx]

Likely for CLOSED beta because we'll be under NDA. Open beta will let us film (I would hope)

[AvacadoEight]

Oh yeah. Of course they wont. They have control of any and all content that leaves through TotalBiscuts channel. Closed Beta's are usually very secretive.

I would be SURPISED if they allowed us to make videos.

EDIT:

Agreed with above post, Open beta will more than likely be open for filming. Closed Beta will not be.

[Mastachief]

They dont want bugs broadcasted..........

Pretty simple really its a closed beta.

[fishirboy]

The TR have taken over the company and WHY do they not allow public to see or watch this game unfold from the start.

[Landtank]

I fell like most internet people have grown up and understand what the heck is going on.

Sadly no, most people will never understand.

They don't want an unfinished game broad casted, it's extremely simple.

[Graywolves]

Well many MMO's have suffered bad word of mouth from players suffering bugs on launch.

But I've noted that with GW2 Beta-Weekends lots of players seem to not understand exactly what beta means and complain about bugs and glitches, etc.


So I can understand why a game company would be reluctant to show people a glitchy game no matter what the testing phase is or how far from completion.



Although as a Free-2-play game I think it would be easier to bounce back from such a thing, there's nothing to make a player not try the game again later.

[Exmortius]

umm.......words.......uhuhuuhuhuhuhuhh

[Pillar of Armor]

If videos are posted after beta, other people might not realize the video is from the beta and think certain weapons, game play aspects, or bugs might be in the launch and it will deter them from playing. There is no guarantee players will label videos correctly.

[Greeniegriz]

Likely for CLOSED beta because we'll be under NDA. Open beta will let us film (I would hope)

This. There will be NDA, no doubt about it.

Also, from their email: "Should you choose to participate in the Beta testing, everything associated with this game testing will be considered confidential information, and you may not discuss it with anyone except other players through the PlanetSide 2 Beta game testing forum only."

As someone said, they can control the content shown with TB. No body wants to see a youtube video with someone showing off all the bugs in PS2.

Edit: Also, this isn't News....

Cheers,

GG

[Ailos]

You've never worked at a company, have you?

[PoisonTaco]

Probably because stuff can change. They don't want people getting excited by seeing a MAX suit with an OP gun from beta then load into the live game and complain how it's not there anymore.

[Pella]

I dont see this as a bad thing. SEO want it to be perfect.

[Sledgecrushr]

No closed beta video=sop

[p0intman]

Non
Disclosure
Agreement

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-disclosure_agreement

A non-disclosure agreement (NDA), also known as a confidentiality agreement (CA), confidential disclosure agreement (CDA), proprietary information agreement (PIA), or secrecy agreement, is a legal contract between at least two parties that outlines confidential material, knowledge, or information that the parties wish to share with one another for certain purposes, but wish to restrict access to or by third parties. It is a contract through which the parties agree not to disclose information covered by the agreement. An NDA creates a confidential relationship between the parties to protect any type of confidential and proprietary information or trade secrets. As such, an NDA protects nonpublic business information.

NDAs are commonly signed when two companies, individuals, or other entities (such as partnerships, societies, etc.) are considering doing business and need to understand the processes used in each others business for the purpose of evaluating the potential business relationship. NDAs can be "mutual", meaning both parties are restricted in their use of the materials provided, or they can restrict the use of material by a single party.

It is also possible for an employee to sign an NDA or NDA-like agreement with an employer. In fact, some employment agreements will include a clause restricting employees' use and dissemination of company-owned "confidential information."

Now, lets look up the definition of confidentiality...

con·fi·den·tial   [kon-fi-den-shuhl] Show IPA
adjective
1.
spoken, written, acted on, etc., in strict privacy or secrecy; secret: a confidential remark.
2.
indicating confidence or intimacy; imparting private matters: a confidential tone of voice.
3.
having another's trust or confidence; entrusted with secrets or private affairs: a confidential secretary.
4.
(of information, a document, etc.)
a.
bearing the classification confidential, usually being above restricted and below secret.
b.
limited to persons authorized to use information, documents, etc., so classified. Compare classification ( def. 5 ) .

What does it mean?

Means you keep your mouth shut about what you know until the agreement is lifted. No videos, no screenshots, no forum posts, no fucking rumormongering.

Not hard to get.

[Fab]

If I remember well, it was written somewhere on the site that no image or video were authorised when i registered my beta key (yeah I got one).

EDIT :
Non
Disclosure
Agreement

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Non-disclosure_agreement



Now, lets look up the definition of confidentiality...



What does it mean?

Means you keep your mouth shut about what you know until the agreement is lifted. No videos, no screenshots, no forum posts, no fucking rumormongering.

Not hard to get.


^ yeah that's it

[maddoggg]

I dont get why would they take down all beta videos...
I can understand tacking down videos of showing beta glitches and bugs,but what's wrong with some general cool gameplay.

I mean this game wont be like bf3,where the devs dont want the bf veterans to see how simplistic the game is before they throw their money away,ps2 will be f2p and people are going to be able to try it for free anyway.

[p0intman]

I dont get why would they take down all beta videos...
I can understand tacking down videos of showing beta glitches and bugs,but what's wrong with some general cool gameplay.

I mean this game wont be like bf3,where the devs dont want the bf veterans to see how simplistic the game is before they throw their money away,ps2 will be f2p and people are going to be able to try it for free anyway.


Because if you're in closed testing, you're under an NDA.

Read my post. Its very simple.

[Soothsayer]

People who want to push the limits of the NDA (or break it) are part of the reason we aren't in beta right now. I don't like not being in beta right now, so I don't like people who necessitate extra caution being exercised on behalf of SOE.

[fishirboy]

I understand what the NAD is but why is it there. F2P is not going to scare people away when it comes out there still going to try it. Only like 1 % of people are that stupid to judge a F2P game before it releases, and with out playing it. Just wanted to get a DEVs perspective on what he thought (or she).

I would never post videos if some one said i could not do so but i can question why cant I? Is this a dictator-ship again?

[The Degenatron]

http://malvasiabianca.org/wp-content/uploads/2011/05/im-okay-with-this.png

They could tell me "Hey YOU, Degenatron: No breathing while playing the PS2 Beta. But just you Degenatron, everybody else is OK. We just don't Degenatron getting his germs on our awesome game."

And my response would be:

http://files.abovetopsecret.com/files/img/tk4f2a22f2.JPG

Why? Because I can hold my breath for a loooooooooong time!

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/_ahKn99uZ4xc/TPtiPe9BCjI/AAAAAAAAA4c/5nFJ2NVmJUw/s1600/244LeslieNielsen.jpg

But seriously, you can respect the companies IP and abide by their rules, or you can just not be in the beta. Don't look a gift horse in the mouth.

[p0intman]

I understand what the NAD is but why is it there. F2P is not going to scare people away when it comes out there still going to try it. Only like 1 % of people are that stupid to judge a F2P game before it releases, and with out playing it. Just wanted to get a DEVs perspective on what he thought (or she).

Its there because the game is still in pre-release, there are many things that can happen while something is in pre-production that can give information to competition with regards to what they are doing. The game isn't making money yet, so some things may still be considered trade secrets that they want to keep quiet about so other games don't copy them before they can make money from them.

[maradine]

I understand what the NAD is but why is it there. F2P is not going to scare people away when it comes out there still going to try it. Only like 1 % of people are that stupid to judge a F2P game before it releases, and with out playing it. Just wanted to get a DEVs perspective on what he thought (or she).

Because SoE wants to control their public message, and they have chosen for that message to not include footage from the closed beta. It doesn't matter why, and in most orgs, it's not the devs making the call.

[fishirboy]

filthy sony is taking over NOOOOO :rofl: so wish that PS2 was its own compony as Mojang to bad :cry:

[zomg]

You have to realize that a closed beta is essentially a way to get more testers for an unfinished product for free, while simultaneously serving the fans by letting them get to play the game.

If you compare to the E3 which looked like "finished" and worked well, you have to realize that they probably spent weeks to polish the area for E3 gameplay. If/when the closed beta has the whole map and more content, there will be more problems.

They would not have to do a closed beta at all. Be grateful they have one.

[NCLynx]

I understand what the NAD is but why is it there. F2P is not going to scare people away when it comes out there still going to try it. Only like 1 % of people are that stupid to judge a F2P game before it releases, and with out playing it. Just wanted to get a DEVs perspective on what he thought (or she).

Potential bugs during closed beta testing when the game is FIRST OPENED for testing the devs just can't get without a larger playerbase WILL scare people off.

[EVILoHOMER]

Record as many videos as you like, just can't share them.

[fishirboy]

It just makes me sad that people that did not get a closed beta pass still what to know what is going on and have some interaction with people about the game. People want to know what is going on and i feel like its pushing people away that did not get lucky and get the key.

[Nephilimuk]

i don't understand the suprise or the outrage to SOE this is common practice and makes perfect comercial sense.... wtf did you expect?

[Timey]

If I had a great business idea I sure as hell wouldn't want to market it while I'm just protoing around with it.

[p0intman]

It just makes me sad that people that did not get a closed beta pass still what to know what is going on and have some interaction with people about the game. People want to know what is going on and i feel like its pushing people away that did not get lucky and get the key.

You need to understand that testing phases are about... testing. That means breaking the game and finding flaws. Same with open testing. It isnt about publicity or bragging rights. If you're not interested in beta testing in order to stress test the game... you don't belong in testing to begin with. wait until release.

i don't understand the suprise or the outrage to SOE this is common practice and makes perfect comercial sense.... wtf did you expect?

^^^^^ This is pretty basic stuff if you've spent any time around true MMOs whatsoever.

[fishirboy]

i don't understand the suprise or the outrage to SOE this is common practice and makes perfect comercial sense.... wtf did you expect?

The world to be free with lollypops and gumdrops! :rofl: really all i want is info and if I can get fed info about how the game is going, images, and map lay outs. I just don't see so many reasons why a F2P game would ever hold a game from viewers that would give money to just play the beta or start paying right now. The game would already make profit if it was out and people would share there bugs they fined. Get money now then latter is better right?

I know what it is about but isn't more better? having more people= more eyes to fine bugs as you say. There is not much chance to show what open testing is better. So will have to live with it but yes i know what closed beta is for. I am sorry if I upset you.

[Algo]

The point of closed and nda is to avoid 2345070 tickets on the bug tracker about a pixel off place on a texture and having the opinion of everyone with a youtube account out before the game is presentable.. there's nothing more to argument really.

[MrYams]

really all i want is info and if I can get fed info about how the game is going, images, and map lay outs. I just don't see so many reasons why a F2P game would ever hold a game from viewers that would give money to just play the beta or start paying right now. The game would already make profit if it was out and people would share there bugs they fined. Get money now then latter is better right?

I think the point is so that SOE has control of the information accessed to the public and by who. You don't want XxXCODplayaXxX69 talking shit about the game on youtube. Also, the people finding the bugs have no need of reporting them to the general public. They should report them to SOE so that something can be done about them.

[ODonnell]

Weakest conspiracy post ever! :rofl:

[CTheRain]

Can I make videos then not release them until the NDA drops?

[Lorgarn]

i don't understand the suprise or the outrage to SOE this is common practice and makes perfect comercial sense.... wtf did you expect?

Even though how unlikely it sometimes feel, there are people out there that hasn't been in a NDA-agreement or let alone part of any kind of closed or internal testing phase be it Alpha or Beta. You'd have to remember that you once too was new to this whole NDA-thingy that people keeps talking about.

I myself personally does not remember the first time I was introduced to it. All I know is that I wasn't born with the knowledge. ;)

As far as PS2 Beta and NDA goes, some of you talk of NDA as it's 100% dead certain and bound to happen. However likely, it's not a 100% dead certainty. Some developers do in fact feel confident enough with their game or product to let people share their experiences. I could see SOE going either way quite honestly and I wouldn't be surprised which either router they decide to take. However, being as this game is pretty deep, it has a cash-shop and some advanced or new features, I bet we'd be under an NDA for the first few phases of testing.

Personally I usually take whatever footage I want but I refrain from releasing it publicly untill I'm dead certain that the NDA on the Beta content has been lifted. Keep in mind though that sometimes they might lift the NDA, but only from that day forward. In that particular case any content or footage taken pre-lift can still be unavailable for use publicly.

[Raymac]

I know what it is about but isn't more better? having more people= more eyes to fine bugs as you say. There is not much chance to show what open testing is better. So will have to live with it but yes i know what closed beta is for. I am sorry if I upset you.

Then you should understand why a company wouldn't want to show something that is half baked. It's like an artist not wanting to show an unfinished painting. Plus, if you really really want to get to know what's going on in beta, then just sign up for it.

[Nephilimuk]

I know what it is about but isn't more better? having more people= more eyes to fine bugs as you say. There is not much chance to show what open testing is better. So will have to live with it but yes i know what closed beta is for. I am sorry if I upset you

You like the game thumbs up, but buggy half baked software is a big turn off you would lose more customers than you would gain. UAT is vital to ensure the game is tuned for release and delivers a solid rewarding experience of the right quality.

Beta testing is UAT testing and critical to any release of software (testing cycle). Not sure what this has to do with the original post you placed though.

[Rago]

Ill agree with the Most NDA will be removed someday, then it will be okay to make Shots Vids ect. Is´t the Same procedure as Everytime.

[indirect]

This isn't news and the answer is in this thread 20 times, don't understand why this is in PS2D.

[Crator]

Oh boy, I can feel the NDA violations already creeping out. I'd imagine the amount of beta testers is going to be pretty big. But since they are phasing people into beta it might just be the first few phases of folks they invite are under NDA then the last phases the NDA is released. The more people you try to put under a NDA the more of a chance it will be broken.

[zomg]

i don't understand the suprise or the outrage to SOE this is common practice and makes perfect comercial sense.... wtf did you expect?

In every closed alpha or beta I've been in, there's always been an "outrage" about not allowing videos or discussion outside the closed circle :)

[TheDrone]

So sad that it's quite hard to have a selection process for beta testers when dealing with an mmo.

I guess they need too many people so they can't weed out all the people who... are unlikely to "get it".

[ChargerCarl]

good luck enforcing this...

[zomg]

good luck enforcing this...

They could in theory embed a watermark in each beta client's output which would be next to invisible to players (think QR code but only very, very minor color variation) but could be identified from a video and then read (again thinking QR codes, even if the video was a bit poor quality, QR code has protection against degradation).

Of course this is just an idea about how they could enforce this and then find who it was, but I highly doubt anything of this magnitude would benefit them in any way and the work involved in creating something like this is not exactly small detail either.

[RadarX]

good luck enforcing this...

You'd be surprised what we can do. Of course I fully understand stuff is going to leak. I also know I got hundreds of accounts kicked out of DCUO's Beta.

During our closed Beta we simply ask folks to discuss the content with what we provide them. There will be ample time to show everything when we hit Open Beta. The team has been very transparent and you guys have seen quite a bit more than other companies will show.

[Pillar of Armor]

You'd be surprised what we can do. Of course I fully understand stuff is going to leak. I also know I got hundreds of accounts kicked out of DCUO's Beta.

During our closed Beta we simply ask folks to discuss the content with what we provide them. There will be ample time to show everything when we hit Open Beta. The team has been very transparent and you guys have seen quite a bit more than other companies will show.

I'm seriously impressed at how much you guys are showing off. It's great to see a team and company that is willing to show off alpha footage for the sake of community discussion and to make a better game. With all of the footage you allowed TB to record at E3, people should be more than satisfied until the open beta.

[Xyntech]

I wonder if players will be able to record footage and then send it in to the devs for approval. Could be too much work for the busy dev team to screen a bunch of footage though. Still, it would be nice.

[amblingalong]

I'm seriously impressed at how much you guys are showing off. It's great to see a team and company that is willing to show off alpha footage for the sake of community discussion and to make a better game. With all of the footage you allowed TB to record at E3, people should be more than satisfied until the open beta.

/cosign

Speaking of which, any idea when we get to see day 2? I've been looking forward to it for what feels like forever.

[RadarX]

I wonder if players will be able to record footage and then send it in to the devs for approval. Could be too much work for the busy dev team to screen a bunch of footage though. Still, it would be nice.

We are going to encourage folks to take video but no we won't be reviewing it. All we are doing is asking folks wait for the very early Beta phase to end and we drop the NDA.

Like I said in my other post, honestly? You guys have seen a huge portion of the game and if you somehow manage to take better video than we got from E3 in the earliest Beta stages? *WE* should be the ones putting that out.

[kaffis]

Can I make videos then not release them until the NDA drops?
There's no way for any of us to know until we know what the NDA (and the NDA lift -- there could be language that prevents us from uploading prior recorded footage) specifically says and how it says it. And most of us, after reading the NDA, will accept it, which likely means we won't be able to talk about what it says.

Edit: Of course, RadarX shows me up by giving us newer information while I'm typing that. From what he just said, it's *likely* (but, again, wait for the NDA lift and read it carefully to make sure) that they plan on letting us upload NDA-bound material after the NDA is lifted.

[basti]

Well, we aren't restricted by legalities as you guys are, we can place music and other arcs in the video. Not saying we could do *better*, but we could provide something different.

Or, we could actually work together.

SOE got a huge staff, as seen at E3. If we combine them and the closed beta folks, it would be easily possible to produce some really awesome stuff. :)

[SergeantNubins]

I understand why SOE are concerned about alpha footage being used, but it seems unlikely that footage of alpha gameplay showing bugs will prove popular to people, certainly nowhere near as popular as good fan made trailers and movies that really demonstrate what PS2 is about. The good is likely to outweigh the bad.

I would suggest that most of the good fan made trailers that have gone up recently are a great deal better at showing off what PS2 is than the offical ones. Mainly because they have focused on actually showing what ps2 is about (using the extensive footage you have released so far), rather than showing bad AI bots standing stationary shooting at each other or moving in predetermined straight lines. The only offical trailer style video that I think was good is the massive air combat one.

Having said all that, i dont really care I wont be recording any video or anything, just my 2 cents that maybe well made, well shot fan trailers will do you guys a favour.

SoE has a rep for being quite bad at advertising its games, and whilst it seems to be doing much better recently, penetration into the large gaming websites seems fairly weak still, there is barely anything on eurogamer or gamesradar so far (for example) .. and the gamesradar editor did a piece when planetside next was announced about what a huge fan of ps1 he was. It was marcopolo's fan made trailer & forum campaign that gave ps1 a huge boost years ago, and that was in response to the lack of effective marketing causing player numbers to drop off. I think you guys should embrace fan made movies, even if its shot from beta footage.

[Gonefshn]

I'd love to take video! Definitely will! But if we can't release it that is totally fair and underatandable. I'd just love to have some for memory's sake and the possibility it could be allowed to be shown at some point.

[Krishtov]

We are going to encourage folks to take video but no we won't be reviewing it. All we are doing is asking folks wait for the very early Beta phase to end and we drop the NDA.

Like I said in my other post, honestly? You guys have seen a huge portion of the game and if you somehow manage to take better video than we got from E3 in the earliest Beta stages? *WE* should be the ones putting that out.

Actually I'm a professional media guy :P Video Editing and all that. Went to college for it and have a job in it. If I had rights to use certain musical pieces I probably could do better. Not saying you guys did a bad job!

Difference is, you can't use after effects, and other fun things to 'add' to the cinematic feel as you guys are always doing pure in game footage for sales and PR reasons.

On top of that, my financial stability doesn't depend on a video game's sales. So I have more time and creative maneuvering to work on things without a board of directors poking my boss' side about the progress of the project. :D

[Notser]

Can I make videos then not release them until the NDA drops?

They can't stop you from filming the beta, all they can do is stop you from releasing the content to the public. There isn't any proof of a recording until it pops up on the internet. If I were to cover PS2, I'd save a ton of beta NDA content then create a video that highlights the best of the best and wait for the NDA to be lifted.

[TheRandomAmiba]

We are going to encourage folks to take video but no we won't be reviewing it. All we are doing is asking folks wait for the very early Beta phase to end and we drop the NDA.

Like I said in my other post, honestly? You guys have seen a huge portion of the game and if you somehow manage to take better video than we got from E3 in the earliest Beta stages? *WE* should be the ones putting that out.

will it be alright to record vids of before the nda is dropped and then after it is dropped post them. i want to start a youtube but i don't know how often i can record so i want to know if i can have lots of footage ready?

[Sotonian]

We are going to encourage folks to take video but no we won't be reviewing it. All we are doing is asking folks wait for the very early Beta phase to end and we drop the NDA.


I assume this also counts for live streaming?

[Hamma]

I would assume it has to. :D

[Top Sgt]

lol yes this includes livestreaming also

[Captain1nsaneo]

During our closed Beta we simply ask folks to discuss the content with what we provide them. There will be ample time to show everything when we hit Open Beta. The team has been very transparent and you guys have seen quite a bit more than other companies will show.

Can we make private videos on youtube and then upload the links to the closed beta forums? That way we could make videos and show them but they'd be only in the areas that have been setup for us.

Also, we can make better videos. As a general rule anytime someone says "you can't" about something being done online, that doesn't break the laws of physics, it probably can and indeed will be done. Internet rule #35 is a prime example of this.

[Flisher]

About livestream,

Could we use private channel requiring password to stream to select group of people in the beta? the purpose would be to test our streaming application/configuration with the game to ensure neither planetside or the streaming software cause performance/stability issue.

I really think that there will be alot of streaming regarding planetside 2, especially for bigger organised outfit that will even stream from multiple source into their feed (reporter/broadcaster/commentator options...)

[Mastachief]

No just stick to the NDA until it is lifted.

[TheInferno]

Can we make private videos on youtube and then upload the links to the closed beta forums? That way we could make videos and show them but they'd be only in the areas that have been setup for us.

Also, we can make better videos. As a general rule anytime someone says "you can't" about something being done online, that doesn't break the laws of physics, it probably can and indeed will be done. Internet rule #35 is a prime example of this.

Private videos are still visible to everyone, all you need is the links. All it would take is one guy leaking the link from the forum or something. Better for them to be safe than sorry, at least from a corporate view.

About livestream,

Could we use private channel requiring password to stream to select group of people in the beta? the purpose would be to test our streaming application/configuration with the game to ensure neither planetside or the streaming software cause performance/stability issue.

I really think that there will be alot of streaming regarding planetside 2, especially for bigger organised outfit that will even stream from multiple source into their feed (reporter/broadcaster/commentator options...)

I don't think they really care if you can stream the game properly in beta, at least not in the early part under NDA, so it probably won't happen.

Honestly, guys, as has been said the NDA will lift eventually, probably before release, so all the videos you guys make (which I bet will be made even if not published) can wait for that, and the livestream thing can be tested in beta after the NDA is lifted.

Not saying I wouldn't be interested in these videos, but it's not something that's worth getting removed from the beta over, IMO. 'sides, the Planetside 2 devs are one of the most open groups I've seen, so I wouldn't be surprised if they continued to push out some videos, or even do a stream of the game in beta.

I'm also laughing at the "SOE taking over" thing, fishirboy. Planetside has always been an SOE property, as far as I know.

[Notser]

NDA is going to cover any content released to anyone outside of you, just follow it and all will be good. The wording is "lets get through early beta then we'll lift the nda", so I assume that means sometime after a month or two roughly. You do not want to break a binding agreement with a company, bad things will happen.

[TheRandomAmiba]

delete this post

[NCLynx]

The reason there is an NDA for beta is because Total Biscuit is partnered with them and wants exclusive rights to record, so he gets all the views. Don't try and says its because its a beta we have seen tons of footage already.

Well seeing as how he's the only person who can play it who doesn't work for SoE atm I'd be fine with that, although it's also likely not the case.

[Arovien]

Will Total Biscuit keep release videos during the closed beta? Probably. No problem with that, as long as it actually reflects the game properly. They should also let a select few to do the same. Lots of other respected producers like Total Biscuit out there.