Planetside 2 vs Dust514 gameplay Round 2

[Stew]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5hRc8m1MwE&feature=youtu.be

I have updated this to suceed to my first video after GDC ive made this one after E3 to compare both games after few months of developpements !

so Wich ones look better and play better and why ?

[Chronic]

One's on PC the other on console.

Planetside 2 wins by default.

[Vetto]

Dust already lost for me the moment they said you have to pay for your armor and weapons and if you die there gone, all be it they clarified later that you can earn the same income in game and that the buying part let you buy said income it still reeks of a horrible idea.

[Phellix]

One's on PC the other on console.

Planetside 2 wins by default.

This
They arn't comparable

[dsi]

Dust already lost for me the moment they said you have to pay for your armor and weapons and if you die there gone, all be it they clarified later that you can earn the same income in game and that the buying part let you buy said income it still reeks of a horrible idea.

You realize buy means in-game currency right (although I guess they'll have a PLEX-like system like Eve), DUST uses Eve's realistic economy, no handholding by returning everything after you made a dumb mistake and died.

[ODonnell]

Dust514 cut me deep being console only. Then out of nowhere Planetside 2 was announced and all was right in the world again.

[FINALCUT]

One's on PC the other on console.

Planetside 2 wins by default.

This.
I don't have a console so for me its PS2. Dust looks good and if they bring it to PC I will buy it.

PS2 will always be my one true love that I plan to spend eternity with. Dust will be a fling I mess with for a few weeks then drop after I have gotten my rocks off with her and she starts to look at me as a serious relationship.

[maradine]

nm, looks like gamespot footage.

[FPClark]

Console MMOFPS vs PC MMOFPS is like goKarts vs F1 Cars...Both are gonna be fun but there is so much more you can do with the extra power.

[Vetto]

You realize buy means in-game currency right (although I guess they'll have a PLEX-like system like Eve), DUST uses Eve's realistic economy, no handholding by returning everything after you made a dumb mistake and died.

Yes.. Cause mixing that with a Shooter were dying is fairly common is GENIUS!

I know lets make a Fighting game were if you lose you are knocked down all the way back to beginner and lose as your stuff LET SEE HOW WELL THAT GOES OVER!

[Stew]

This
They arn't comparable

http://massively.joystiq.com/2012/03/12/leaderboard-dust-514-vs-planetside-2/

Massively joystiq think they need to be compare and i agree with them ! Since dust pretent to be MMO and also both are F2P in the same kind of futuristic setting to me planetside win especially over the gameplay mechanics so far !

[SpcFarlen]

Yes.. Cause mixing that with a Shooter were dying is fairly common is GENIUS!

I know lets make a Fighting game were if you lose you are knocked down all the way back to beginner and lose as your stuff LET SEE HOW WELL THAT GOES OVER!

Counter Strike had that....

[Luieburger]

One's on PC the other on console.

Planetside 2 wins by default.

^This

Nobody wants to play an FPS with their thumbs.

[OutlawDr]

Going off the videos, Dust514 gameplay looks bland. PS2 videos blows it out of the water.

[Vetto]

Counter Strike had that....

Never played it from the sounds of it, sounds like I made the right move, I don't want to have to shell out RL Cash if I have a bad day, Again I'll stick to PS2.

[NivexQ]

Dust already lost for me the moment they said you have to pay for your armor and weapons and if you die there gone, all be it they clarified later that you can earn the same income in game and that the buying part let you buy said income it still reeks of a horrible idea.

I actually really like that. Corporations are going to sponsor people in Dust. It's going to be used at a mean for control. It's such a fantastic concept.

[Revanmug]

One's on PC the other on console.

Planetside 2 wins by default.

Glorious PC master race. I don't have the picture of that but I guess it is against the rule for meme anyway.

[Vetto]

I actually really like that. Corporations are going to sponsor people in Dust. It's going to be used at a mean for control. It's such a fantastic concept.

That neat for you, personally, I'd rather not have to see the "Mountain Dew Crushers vs the Game stop shooters" in a game I am playing.

[Warborn]

Corporations as in EVE corporations. As in, in Dust you are a mercenary and you can join a mercenary company, and your company can be hired by the massive interstellar corporations that players in EVE use to control star systems. The big EVE corps will also have their own personal mercenary armies which they will sponsor.

The idea, ultimately, is that EVE and Dust will merge very closely. They want EVE industry to produce the weapons and tanks which Dust players purchase and use to fight wars with. Already they're slated to allow corps in EVE to contract Dust mercenary companies to fight for control of planets for them. In Planetside 2, one day you'll take Base X and the next day you'll lose it, repeat ad nauseam. In Dust, the battles you fight could be a part of a massive military campaign that spans both EVE and Dust and involves thousands of players and will be remembered in the history of those games as the Third Great War, or something.

It really is a fantastic concept. I dunno how the actual game is, but it's pretty goddamn ballsy of them to go this route. They're breaking new ground here, and being dismissive of something Planetside 2 could pick a few things up from probably isn't a good attitude to take.

I know lets make a Fighting game were if you lose you are knocked down all the way back to beginner and lose as your stuff LET SEE HOW WELL THAT GOES OVER!

You are making big assumptions about how expensive items are and how powerful those items are. We don't know specifics yet, but they've alluded to the same sort of idea governing PS2's certs. That is, the gear you buy can give you an edge, but they won't guarantee you a win over someone in default gear. Either way, chances are people will only use their top-of-the-line gear for the most important battles.

But isn't it an interesting idea that you can fight and earn resources and spend them on better stuff? I mean, what if you play Planetside 2 just as infantry? You'll rack up all these resources and eventually you'll unlock all your stuff, and then what? You just sit on a pile of resources. I mean, what if you could spend resources on a Mark 2 version of the heavy assault exosuit that has a 10% bonus to health? Would you consider that a negative? Same concept with Dust equipment from what they've said.

^This

Nobody wants to play an FPS with their thumbs.

They've confirmed that Dust will have full keyboard/mouse support when it ships. So if you own a PS3 you'll be able to plug a USB keyboard/mouse in and play it as if it were a game on your PC. It's been hinted at that this is because they are preparing to bring the game to the PC sometime after release, but there's been no confirmation of that.

Dust already lost for me the moment they said you have to pay for your armor and weapons and if you die there gone, all be it they clarified later that you can earn the same income in game and that the buying part let you buy said income it still reeks of a horrible idea.

You have free versions of weapons/armor/etc that are standard quality and do not disappear when you die. You earn money by fighting. You can spend that money on getting better versions of weapons/armor/etc, although yeah, if you die they're gone. It isn't any different than in Planetside 2, how you fight for territory to gain resources and spend those resources on vehicles/grenades. The only difference is that Dust has far more stuff to buy than just vehicles or consumables.

[Daffan]

Dust514 cut me deep being console only. Then out of nowhere Planetside 2 was announced and all was right in the world again.

Love this post ^

[Warhound]

They're not comparable, but I will say this planetside 2 wins by a long shot already. :groovy:

[Vetto]

You have free versions of weapons/armor/etc that are standard quality and do not disappear when you die. You earn money by fighting. You can spend that money on getting better versions of weapons/armor/etc, although yeah, if you die they're gone. It isn't any different than in Planetside 2, how you fight for territory to gain resources and spend those resources on vehicles/grenades. The only difference is that Dust has far more stuff to buy than just vehicles or consumables.

Pretty sure they said ones a gun been bought it's yours, The only thing that consume resources are larger things like Vehicles and such.

Thou I could have misunderstood, Still my point holds truth, while there not coming out and saying it, you can buy power, that mush is true, if two people join on the same day and person B spends 20 bucks RL cash for some In-game Cash to upgrade he is effectively buying power.

[maradine]

Pretty sure they said ones a gun been bought it's yours, The only thing that consume resources are larger things like Vehicles and such.

Thou I could have misunderstood, Still my point holds truth, while there not coming out and saying it, you can buy power, that mush is true, if two people join on the same day and person B spends 20 bucks RL cash for some In-game Cash to upgrade he is effectively buying power.

Items in DUST are one-death-only. If you want more of them, buy more.

I think you're missing something important here. In the EVE universe, money does buy power.

[Vetto]

Items in DUST are one-death-only. If you want more of them, buy more.

I think you're missing something important here. In the EVE universe, money does buy power.

I mean the gun thing for Planetside 2, As in if you buy a gun in PS2 it is yours you can get it when ever you want and it cost nothing, but things like Max armor, and tanks and such on the other hand do cost resources.

[Pepsi]

That neat for you, personally, I'd rather not have to see the "Mountain Dew Crushers vs the Game stop shooters" in a game I am playing.In Eve "corporations" is the clan system. In game player controlled corporations will be hiring the console-side mercenaries to perform missions that benefit the Eve MMO side.

So no Doritos team. :lol:

[maradine]

So no Doritos team. :lol:

http://www.my-eve.com/corporation/Desperate%20Dorito's
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=corp&name=Doritos+Empire+Domination
http://www.my-eve.com/corporation/Mountain%20Dew%20Voltage%20Is%20Delicious

[Stew]

I mean the gun thing for Planetside 2, As in if you buy a gun in PS2 it is yours you can get it when ever you want and it cost nothing, but things like Max armor, and tanks and such on the other hand do cost resources.

I think the way they did it in planetside will most likely do not piss off new comers !

The way they have designed dust the TTK and also the way the weapons work will create huge imbalanced between new comers and vets so the game will be unfair and will die soon because all new comers will get piss !

Thats my tough the best thing about dust is EVE so playing EVE will be better than playing dust llol

[Warborn]

Pretty sure they said ones a gun been bought it's yours, The only thing that consume resources are larger things like Vehicles and such.

Thou I could have misunderstood, Still my point holds truth, while there not coming out and saying it, you can buy power, that mush is true, if two people join on the same day and person B spends 20 bucks RL cash for some In-game Cash to upgrade he is effectively buying power.

Yeah, that's my point. In Planetside 2 there's only one version of a MAX suit per empire and all the weapons have maybe some side-grades, but there's one power level. Meanwhile, you buy vehicles with resources and if your vehicle is blown up, you need to spend resources to buy a new one.

Dust works the same way, except ALL of your items have more powerful versions of which you can spend resources to buy, and if they die you need to spend more money to get them back. There are, as mentioned though, free versions of items and those free versions are competitive with the expensive ("prototype" they called them) versions of those items.

To be clear, when I say money I mean in-game money. During E3 they talked about something similar to Planetside 2, where you can spend their Aurum currency which you pay real world money for to get side-grades for weapons as well.

[Pepsi]

http://www.my-eve.com/corporation/Desperate%20Dorito's
http://eve.battleclinic.com/killboard/combat_record.php?type=corp&name=Doritos+Empire+Domination
http://www.my-eve.com/corporation/Mountain%20Dew%20Voltage%20Is%20DeliciousOhh, touche.

[Warborn]

I think the way they did it in planetside will most likely do not piss off new comers !

The way they have designed dust the TTK and also the way the weapons work will create huge imbalanced between new comers and vets so the game will be unfair and will die soon because all new comers will get piss !

What if the best gear in the game is only 5% better than newbie gear? What if the skills Dust mercs learn make them no more than 15% better than a new player? Do you think vets being 20% better in terms of raw stats than new players would be a huge imbalance?

If so, I have news for you...

[Stew]

Yeah, that's my point. In Planetside 2 there's only one version of a MAX suit per empire and all the weapons have maybe some side-grades, but there's one power level. Meanwhile, you buy vehicles with resources and if your vehicle is blown up, you need to spend resources to buy a new one.

Dust works the same way, except ALL of your items have more powerful versions of which you can spend resources to buy, and if they die you need to spend more money to get them back. There are, as mentioned though, free versions of items and those free versions are competitive with the expensive ("prototype" they called them) versions of those items.

To be clear, when I say money I mean in-game money. During E3 they talked about something similar to Planetside 2, where you can spend their Aurum currency which you pay real world money for to get side-grades for weapons as well.

Yeah OP weapons and we need to say this !

Also the (( winners team )) who as better gears will loots ennemys team gears !

So all new commers will get robbed buy the vets and the Pay to win peoples

they said its a skilled based shooter rigth ? make a sentence like this

A skilled players who do not pay will win over a less skilled player who as paid to get better equipements

this can be true yeah

but Whats happens if both players as the same skills ? and One of the two have a OP weapons in dust ?

yeah the outcome is dramatically game breaking !

Planetside on the game design and on a f2p model so far seams better !

[maradine]

What if the best gear in the game is only 5% better than newbie gear? What if the skills Dust mercs learn make them no more than 15% better than a new player? Do you think vets being 20% better in terms of raw stats than new players would be a huge imbalance?

If so, I have news for you...

If they're mapping to the standard EVE skill influence model, it's a bit closer to 100%. This is about the difference you can expect between a guy that just got the skill to fly a battlecruiser and the guy who's been face-pushing in a Brutix for a year.

[Stew]

What if the best gear in the game is only 5% better than newbie gear? What if the skills Dust mercs learn make them no more than 15% better than a new player? Do you think vets being 20% better in terms of raw stats than new players would be a huge imbalance?

If so, I have news for you...

Even 10 % more damage will make a huge difference between 2 equally skills players !

one will have mostlikely 10 % health left and the other will be dead if they start shooting at the same time !

The weapons balanced is not balanced in the same way than regular shooter and its a bad game designed choice in my opinion

[Sledgecrushr]

From the little bit of video I have seen I am definitely not impressed about how dust looks.

[SpcFarlen]

Both are on different platforms. One is a persistent MMO. The other is a more classic fast passed match style of FPS. They all are rip offs of every fps out there because every fps has elements of every other fps. Its Doom reskinned, clearly.

Plus they are both in Alpha where i doubt any of us have played... :p

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[maradine]

The weapons balanced is not balanced in the same way than regular shooter and its a bad game designed choice in my opinion

It's not balanced for your definition of balanced. You want balance to be close-to-equivalent for any two given players. CCP's universe is balanced for any two given sets of resource expenditure. And often, not even that. It's a very different frame of mind. That doesn't make it a bad design decision - it fits into the successful model they already have.


Plus they are both in Alpha where i doubt any of us have played... :p


Dust has been in closed beta for a month, and you'd be incorrect. ;)

[captainkapautz]

Even 10 % more damage will make a huge difference between 2 equally skills players !

one will have mostlikely 10 % health left and the other will be dead if they start shooting at the same time !

The weapons balanced is not balanced in the same way than regular shooter and its a bad game designed choice in my opinion

Well, then you probably shouldn't play PS2 if a 10% advantages is already too much for you.

[dsi]

Never played it from the sounds of it, sounds like I made the right move, I don't want to have to shell out RL Cash if I have a bad day, Again I'll stick to PS2.

The single point that I stressed was that you can't directly buy shit for cash in Eve's universe.

You buy things with ISK, whether made from contracts with a player corp/alliance, sold from captured items that you don't need, or you can even create the items yourself with industrial processes using resources that you've acquired like in PS2, looted, or traded for.

Even through PLEX (which I'm not even sure DUST will have) you can't buy everything that you need to win every engagement because there are so many different ways to fight, everything has a counter and a bit of scouting will negate any money advantage. Especially since you don't keep that item forever, you loose it when you fail, hell, in Eve you can even loose PLEX, the closest thing to real money in the game, if you're really bad.

I wouldn't recommend kitting out an expensive T3 MBT with high quality ammo, large cannons, nano armor, and what not if you can't afford to loose it.

[SKYeXile]

Idc if dust has real looking graphics, it's in console. Nuff said.

[Stew]

Both are on different platforms. One is a persistent MMO. The other is a more classic fast passed match style of FPS. They all are rip offs of every fps out there because every fps has elements of every other fps. Its Doom reskinned, clearly.

Plus they are both in Alpha where i doubt any of us have played... :p

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Dust is in Beta since fanfest and iam In Dust 514 Beta already so yeah i have play it but i cant say much details since NDA but yeah

Planetside is actually in Alpha at E3 but now is in its first stage of the beta with SOE members invite only ! players arent in the beta yet

[Stew]

Well, then you probably shouldn't play PS2 if a 10% advantages is already too much for you.

Planetside will be balance around Accuracy vs rate of fire vs stopping power trade off !

In ps2 the certification or the guns cutumisation will all based on trade off youll have to trade accuracy or rate of fire to gain stopping power and so on

Dust is not balanced lol Some guns will be simply Better in all way Their is No trade off Just MORE POWERFUL weapons !

[Turdicus]

Baha anyone else catch the sneaky post by CyclesMchurtz in the comments below the massively leaderboard?

"@Raymac How *dare* you bring facts to the Internet!"

[captainkapautz]

Planetside will be balance around Accuracy vs rate of fire vs stopping power trade off !

In ps2 the certification or the guns cutumisation will all based on trade off youll have to trade accuracy or rate of fire to gain stopping power and so on

Dust is not balanced lol Some guns will be simply Better in all way Their is No trade off Just MORE POWERFUL weapons !

It has been stated by Higby himself that a Veteran player will at most have a ~20% advantage over a new player through gear and certs alone, not counting any personal skill.

P.S.: Just curious, is english your first language?

[dsi]

Even 10 % more damage will make a huge difference between 2 equally skills players !

one will have mostlikely 10 % health left and the other will be dead if they start shooting at the same time !

The weapons balanced is not balanced in the same way than regular shooter and its a bad game designed choice in my opinion

Weapon on weapon balance isn't everything in Dust, or Eve in general. It's a bit like TF2, it's hard to argue that every weapon is balanced vs every other weapon in TF2, but there are so many of them (http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Weapons_guide) that even if you easily kill one guy his buddy might have something that makes it easier for him to kill you. Of course, Dust/Eve isn't just weapons, it's modules too, which provide bonuses or let you remotely heal teammates and what not, presumably Dust will have Implants as well, which are yet another modifier, implanted in your meatsack instead of in your power armor.

The trade off for more power is the expense behind it, Eve's saying "don't fly what you can't afford to loose" is very apt, in this case "don't shoot what you can't afford to loose", though Dust does have aircraft as well. (and again because it needs repeating: 'AFFORD' IS IN-GAME MONEY/RESOURCES/BACKUPS NOT RMT)

[Stew]

Weapon on weapon balance isn't everything in Dust, or Eve in general. It's a bit like TF2, it's hard to argue that every weapon is balanced vs every other weapon in TF2, but there are so many of them (http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Weapons_guide) that even if you easily kill one guy his buddy might have something that makes it easier for him to kill you. Of course, Dust/Eve isn't just weapons, it's modules too, which provide bonuses or let you remotely heal teammates and what not, presumably Dust will have Implants as well, which are yet another modifier, implanted in your meatsack instead of in your power armor.

The trade off for more power is the expense behind it, Eve's saying "don't fly what you can't afford to loose" is very apt, in this case "don't shoot what you can't afford to loose", though Dust does have aircraft as well. (and again because it needs repeating: 'AFFORD' IS IN-GAME MONEY/RESOURCES/BACKUPS NOT RMT)

But the point was more to compare both games gameplay the core gameplay not really all the details about the balanced of both game i found dust gameplay and caracter moovement really bad and i dont even touch the 8 bits textures on everything

the core gameplay in planetside and ttk is very great in the other hand dust514 look more like a prototype at the momment than a beta in my book the gameplay mechanics are not even alpha stage !

[captainkapautz]

To me, Dust immediately disqualifies itself by being console.

If it were PC, sure I'd play, but console?

No, thanks.

[FatCandy]

what a PC elitist circle jerk, I expected the blind love of PS2, but not such PC elitism, I am honestly disappointed with you guys.

[DerFurst]

I don't like Dust 514. It looks like a soulless ripoff off PS2.

Happy?

[Brusi]

I'll definitely play dust if there is keyboard + mouse support ;p

[maradine]

But the point was more to compare both games gameplay the core gameplay not really all the details about the balanced of both game i found dust gameplay and caracter moovement really bad and i dont even touch the 8 bits textures on everything

the core gameplay in planetside and ttk is very great in the other hand dust514 look more like a prototype at the momment than a beta in my book the gameplay mechanics are not even alpha stage !

I would point you to section 2.iv of the NDA you reportedly signed. =D

[Warborn]

Both are on different platforms. One is a persistent MMO. The other is a more classic fast passed match style of FPS. They all are rip offs of every fps out there because every fps has elements of every other fps. Its Doom reskinned, clearly.

Plus they are both in Alpha where i doubt any of us have played... :p

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So Dust is the persistent MMO and Planetside is the fast-paced, match-style FPS in your comparison right? I mean, last time I checked Planetside 2 was about fighting over the same towers and bases over and over again with nothing ever changing, while Dust has corporate warfare to take control of planets and influence the balance of power in the EVE galaxy going for it.

If they're mapping to the standard EVE skill influence model, it's a bit closer to 100%. This is about the difference you can expect between a guy that just got the skill to fly a battlecruiser and the guy who's been face-pushing in a Brutix for a year.

Who knows how meaningful the skills are. But even in EVE a character that's fairly new can still be useful as a tackler. I don't imagine any amount of skill different will prevent someone from dying if even a 1-day-old character shoots them in the face a bunch.

Even 10 % more damage will make a huge difference between 2 equally skills players !

one will have mostlikely 10 % health left and the other will be dead if they start shooting at the same time !

The weapons balanced is not balanced in the same way than regular shooter and its a bad game designed choice in my opinion

Are you aware that they're aiming for ~20% difference in terms of raw ability between a veteran PS2 player and a new PS2 player?

[Phellix]

what a PC elitist circle jerk, I expected the blind love of PS2, but not such PC elitism, I am honestly disappointed with you guys.

Oh please, if this was a forum for a CONSOLE game it'd be the same situation. Even The Game Station mentioned today that the console industry is falling behind because there's really not gonna be a new "next generation" console for awhile because there's nothing you can really upgrade that ALL major console companies are gonna have, Modern PC's blow consoles out of the water and they're becoming more and more cheap. So to that, i say HELL YEAH PC REPRESENT.

[maradine]

I don't imagine any amount of skill different will prevent someone from dying if even a 1-day-old character shoots them in the face a bunch.


True, and didn't mean to imply otherwise. I'd just be antsy if I knew the guy who's 5'd everything in the personal weapons skill tree was on the other side.

[Stew]

what a PC elitist circle jerk, I expected the blind love of PS2, but not such PC elitism, I am honestly disappointed with you guys.

I agree that Been consoles fanboys or PC elitist is not any good for gaming ive always play on every platform Xbox360 : gears of wars , HALO , Red dead redemption etc.. Playstation 3 : Killzone 2 , Killzone 3 ,uncharted MAG , PC : metro 2033 , Skyrim , Battlefield 3 To name just few modern games ive play on every consoles /PC

Its not a PC vs Console subject and i dont even compare the graphics quality but even MAG as a better graphics quality than dust514

Killzone 2 Vs. Killzone 3 Graphics Comparison Video PS3 1080P FULL HD - YouTube

If anyones think those graphics arent good i do not know whats to says some games have beautiful graphics on consoles

The whole subject is more

which gameplay gunplays is better wich ones seams to have the better game mechanics TTK hit detection etc..

[FatCandy]

Oh please, if this was a forum for a CONSOLE game it'd be the same situation. Even The Game Station mentioned today that the console industry is falling behind because there's really not gonna be a new "next generation" console for awhile because there's nothing you can really upgrade that ALL major console companies are gonna have, Modern PC's blow consoles out of the water and they're becoming more and more cheap. So to that, i say HELL YEAH PC REPRESENT.
there is a difference between saying one is better than the other, and saying nothing on console's can be good

[Warborn]

True, and didn't mean to imply otherwise. I'd just be antsy if I knew the guy who's 5'd everything in the personal weapons skill tree was on the other side.

Fair enough, and I hope whatever matchmaking they're doing will account for skill point totals so as to prevent this sort of thing from being a major balance issue should one team find themselves stacked with veterans versus an army of newer players.

Actually, being an FPS with a persistent element, maybe balanced for skill point totals as well as win rate or something. After all, a veteran player could still be a worse player than a new person.

[FatCandy]

I agree that Been consoles fanboys or PC elitist is not any good for gaming ive always play on every platform Xbox360 : gears of wars , HALO , Red dead redemption etc.. Playstation 3 : Killzone 2 , Killzone 3 ,uncharted MAG , PC : metro 2033 , Skyrim , Battlefield 3 To name just few modern games ive play on every consoles /PC

Its not a PC vs Console subject and i dont even compare the graphics quality but even MAG as a better graphics quality than dust514

Killzone 2 Vs. Killzone 3 Graphics Comparison Video PS3 1080P FULL HD - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AirTJWW9cTY)

If anyones think those graphics arent good i do not know whats to says some games have beautiful graphics on consoles

The whole subject is more

which gameplay gunplays is better wich ones seams to have the better game mechanics TTK hit detection etc..
I honestly don't know what you are playing, (I am in the beta) but FROM THE VIDEOS *wink**wink* I don't have any complaints about the graphics.

[maradine]

Fair enough, and I hope whatever matchmaking they're doing will account for skill point totals so as to prevent this sort of thing from being a major balance issue should one team find themselves stacked with veterans versus an army of newer players.

Actually, being an FPS with a persistent element, maybe balanced for skill point totals as well as win rate or something. After all, a veteran player could still be a worse player than a new person.

Possible, and it depends entirely on how they structure matches. I'm not sure "matchmaking" in the traditional sense will be available for the important battles. If they truly intend to make DUST the ground combat resolution engine for EVE, then there are going to be an awful lot of highly stacked matches between utterly asymmetric opponents.

Maybe.

Frankly, they haven't let on to what the hell they're thinking yet :)

[Dloan]

I mean, last time I checked Planetside 2 was about fighting over the same towers and bases over and over again with nothing ever changing, while Dust has corporate warfare to take control of planets and influence the balance of power in the EVE galaxy going for it.


Quite. While it's arguable that PS2 will be a better shooter just on size alone, it can currently only dream of a metagame the size of EVEs, and by extension, Dust. While we're swapping bases every other night, Dust players will be fighting for galactic domination!

[Stew]

I mean, last time I checked Planetside 2 was about fighting over the same towers and bases over and over again with nothing ever changing, while Dust has corporate warfare to take control of planets and influence the balance of power in the EVE galaxy going for it.

Planetside maps isnt a map its a continents 3 continents in fact and those are like 64 EVE maps at the momments thats mean 30 to 60 eve planets for each continents and they will had more continents down the road

Also ceo of ccp talk about making 5km x 5km maps fill with only 48 players those maps will be boring as hell even a 128 players like they try to achive will be not enough to fill this space at all BF3 can be boring sometime with 64 in caspian border a 1km x 1.5 km maps with arounf 700m x 800 m of real fightable area !

so yeah planetside feature Biodome and will feature eventually caverns underground base and much more ;)

and also maybe planets in the futur dust always talk about the futur implementation but so far ive seen the BEta map and the E3 new beta map where are all the other planets ? i dont know but ive seen so far planetside 2 continents tons of outpost base biolab and much more and also day and nigth time cycle

In planetside their is no instance dust is all about instance and matchmaking

[FatCandy]

Planetside maps isnt a map its a continents 3 continents in fact and those are like 64 EVE maps at the momments thats mean 30 to 60 eve planets for each continents and they will had more continents down the road

Also ceo of ccp talk about making 5km x 5km maps fill with only 48 players those maps will be boring as hell even a 128 players like they try to achive will be not enough to fill this space at all BF3 can be boring sometime with 64 in caspian border a 1km x 1.5 km maps with arounf 700m x 800 m of real fightable area !

so yeah planetside feature Biodome and will feature eventually caverns underground base and much more ;)

and also maybe planets in the futur dust always talk about the futur implementation but so far ive seen the BEta map and the E3 new beta map where are all the other planets ? i dont know but ive seen so far planetside 2 continents tons of outpost base biolab and much more and also day and nigth time cycle

In planetside their is no instance dust is all about instance and matchmaking

I'm so confused
1)What's an eve map? (EVE is on one server)
2)Do you mean entire dust planets or just dust stations, because each planets has a lot of stations
3)Is English your native language?

[Chronic]

Console MMOFPS vs PC MMOFPS is like goKarts vs F1 Cars...Both are gonna be fun but there is so much more you can do with the extra power.

Dust 514 isn't even a real MMO in any way...

[Stew]

I'm so confused
1)What's an eve map? (EVE is on one server)
2)Do you mean entire dust planets or just dust stations, because each planets has a lot of stations
3)Is English your native language?

1: we dont talk about eve but dust and dust maps are regular battlefield like maps in a matchmaking type of game so for a mmo call instance

2: i mean dust maps or stations but one planet will feature few like 3 to 7 depending

3: NO

And dust isnt a true MMO fps its a matchmaking game link to a true MMO spaceship game the link between dust and EVE are numbers mostly and $ thats pretty much it the all orbital stike stuff is a gimmick to me because Dust players call an orbital strike like a player was calling a mortar strike in battlefield bad company the only difference is that EVE player as to select a dot on the map and confirme the orbital strike and pay for it this ad nothing to the actual gameplay the orbital strike could look the same whiout eve players pushing the button

[Chronic]

what a PC elitist circle jerk, I expected the blind love of PS2, but not such PC elitism, I am honestly disappointed with you guys.

Making shooter on console with 24vs24 and claiming it to be an MMO is hilarious.

Dust 514 seems to benefit the EVE players more honestly...

[erunion]

Making shooter on console with 24vs24 and claiming it to be an MMO is hilarious.


I had to verify that number was accurate. It is. Woefully low, but not surprising considering its a console title.

This footage looks improved versus the last videos I saw. But the first footage released for Dust was so incredibly underwhelming I don't think I could ever care about the game. (Even as a former EVE player)

Maybe if Dust bombs, SOE will cancel its plans to put PS2 on the PS3. I hope so.

[FatCandy]

An MMO isn't just a lot of people in one area on a single map. What part of MMO says that Dust 514 constitutes as an MMO, because it is a Massively multiplayer online game, so what's the problem?

[FatCandy]

I had to verify that number was accurate. It is. Woefully low, but not surprising considering its a console title.

This footage looks improved versus the last videos I saw. But the first footage released for Dust was so incredibly underwhelming I don't think I could ever care about the game. (Even as a former EVE player)

Maybe if Dust bombs, SOE will cancel its plans to put PS2 on the PS3. I hope so.

why would PS2 being on PS3 be a bad thing?

[Stew]

An MMO isn't just a lot of people in one area on a single map. What part of MMO says that Dust 514 constitutes as an MMO, because it is a Massively multiplayer online game, so what's the problem?

Actually is not because the highest number thats u can have in dust in a same area is 48 also the (( lobby alias WAr barge )) suport up to 24 - 32 players wich is not massive at all

a game thats do not suport more than hundreads of players cant be consider as a MMO

Dust is consider as a MMO just because of the conection whithin EVE online a true MMO

But dust isnt a MMO and isnt a MMO FPS

A massively multiplayer online game (also called MMO and MMOG) is a multiplayer video game which is capable of supporting hundreds or thousands of players simultaneously

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massively_multiplayer_online_game

is dust suport hundreads of players ? To be a mmo it begin at 201 players is dust suport 201 players in a same area ?

The MMO title of dust is a gimmick just because the game will be hosted by the single chart CCP servers so they consider they are in the same word wich is wrong

Its like saying all BF3 players who are conected to Battlelog are in a MMO or its like saying all the BF3 hosted in the same servers farms are in a MMO lol

[sumo]

One's on PC the other on console.

Planetside 2 wins by default.

this again^^ playing FPS games on a console where you might aswell control the joypad with your nose or elbow doesnt sound appealing to me. console FPS sucks arse!

[erunion]

why would PS2 being on PS3 be a bad thing?

Because the game will necessarily be watered down, which will water down the franchise.

[FatCandy]

this again^^ playing FPS games on a console where you might aswell control the joypad with your nose or elbow doesnt sound appealing to me. console FPS sucks arse!

you should probably do a little research next time dust 514 is going to have m/kb support.

[FatCandy]

Because the game will necessarily be watered down, which will water down the franchise.

why would they water down an already released game? They most likely wouldn't even be in the same universe, or really even connected.

[sumo]

you should probably do a little research next time dust 514 is going to have m/kb support.
no need to. i have played enough console FPS to know they are rubbish.

[fod]

An MMO isn't just a lot of people in one area on a single map. What part of MMO says that Dust 514 constitutes as an MMO, because it is a Massively multiplayer online game, so what's the problem?

the "massive" part

[erunion]

why would they water down an already released game? They most likely wouldn't even be in the same universe, or really even connected.

It would be a port, not the same game. The port would be a watered down version of the PC game. That would hurt the franchise("planetside" as a brand)

I hope they wouldn't try to connect the servers. It would be a disaster.(Edit: Though on second, likely not even possible)

[Spark]

Dust is only 24vs24, that's less players than Battlefield 3 and we don't consider that an MMO, so I don't see how the two are comparable.

I do like that epic persistent game element that you are fighting for planets, but all that is outside of the gameplay experience. You just play a standard small-scale shooter when in-game (with pretty bad graphics as well), while in Planetside 2 all those epic game elements are experienced and seen by the player first hand. At least that's my impression.

[FatCandy]

Actually is not because the highest number thats u can have in dust in a same area is 48 also the (( lobby alias WAr barge )) suport up to 24 - 32 players wich is not massive at all

a game thats do not suport more than hundreads of players cant be consider as a MMO

Dust is consider as a MMO just because of the conection whithin EVE online a true MMO

But dust isnt a MMO and isnt a MMO FPS

A massively multiplayer online game (also called MMO and MMOG) is a multiplayer video game which is capable of supporting hundreds or thousands of players simultaneously

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Massively_multiplayer_online_game

is dust suport hundreads of players ? To be a mmo it begin at 201 players is dust suport 201 players in a same area ?

The MMO title of dust is a gimmick just because the game will be hosted by the single chart CCP servers so they consider they are in the same word wich is wrong

Its like saying all BF3 players who are conected to Battlelog are in a MMO or its like saying all the BF3 hosted in the same servers farms are in a MMO lol

Picture this, A miner in EVE collects some minerals which he either refines himself or sells them raw eventually someone buys them with the intent of manufacturing them to weapons, a mercenary corp head then buys a bulk amount, you, a player in his corp, is given 100 of them you then drop down to the battlefield to help complete a contract for a corp in eve who is vying for control of that region. You then shoot an enemy who was shooting at your friend, your friend, because he is alive, shoots his swarm launcher at an enemy dropship destroying it and stopping the enemy form getting behind you which allows you to activate a virus on the null canons that were destroying your MCC which can now safely dock, upon docking you win the fight, and complete your contract the planet is now owned by your client who will now make isk off it. Since it was the last installation of the planet he now owns the entire planet. Which obviously has an effect on the war which effects all of New Eden

How is that not an MMO?

[ThermalReaper]

I'd get behind the fact that you lose your items if you die if it wasn't an FPS. You can't live forever, and if it's a terrible grind like Ascend everyone will shatter this game.

[FatCandy]

It would be a port, not the same game. The port would be a watered down version of the PC game. That would hurt the franchise("planetside" as a brand)

I hope they wouldn't try to connect the servers. It would be a disaster.(Edit: Though on second, likely not even possible)

so you don't want others to enjoy planetside, because it would "Hurt the franchise" I cannot believe you people!

[exLupo]

The definition of MMO is so sketchy that a lot of this thread is nitpicking just to make X, Y or Z look bad. In my mind, both games are MMOs but not in a way that's comparable. PlanetSide's play environment is massive both on a physical and direct population scale. Dust, on the other hand, is a real part of a massive, unified universe where the player's actions will have direct impact on the world in both an economic and political sense. The political and economic factors of EVE contribute far more to its massiveness (because that's a word?) than the ability to jam a bunch of people into one system. Big battles can happen but they aren't something that the majority of players will ever experience.

PC vs Console? Really?
Graphics: Both have high quality visuals (when compared to other FPS titles), both for characters and environment.
Control schemes: Both support KB+M.
The only advantage PC has over console in this case is map size and CCP didn't want PS sized maps so it's not a factor. It doesn't matter what system they're on when it comes to the actual game. The rest is fanboy flag waving.

Skill power scales?
PS and Dust both have skills that are purchased via skill points you get over time and through play. Both skill systems that provide an incremental base power boost that is progressively prohibitive when moving to max. EVE -does- have 5 levels in all skills but the first 3 (60% of the bonus) is always very quick. It's easy to get to lv4 in all relevant skills and then specialize with the last rank. That last rank is usually 2% to 5% more damage or fire rate or accuracy at the cost of 6-30 days of training time. PS2, from what I can tell, is the same when it comes to passives. The time scale is likely more forgiving for PS2 but the likelyhood of people not maxing out skills is about the same.

Gear power scales?
Both games let you train skills and accrue resources (Dust's resource is ISK) to buy specialized sidegrades. Dust lets you spend more for direct upgrades but, like EVE, most people will operate in the middle band with the top end being fairly inaccessible and not a huge advantage. Advantage, yes, but, as someone who has played EVE for years, not one that truly matters in the long run.

In the end, PS2 is a massive map with low permanence and no depth. Dust is a tiny map with high permanence and a rich back end. They're two ends of the spectrum in many ways. If Dust had a Revolutionary War skin nobody would even be having this conversation. The games are only, on the barest level, selling similar play experiences. Once you get past "Point at guy. Shoot at guy." and look at the wide expanse of the rest of the games the differences become clear.

Looking forward to NDAs being lifted so direct examples can be given and all this can be put to rest.

[Spark]

so you don't want others to enjoy planetside, because it would "Hurt the franchise" I cannot believe you people!

It wouldn't make sense to port now anyway since the PS4 is coming next year, better to port it to a console that wouldn't water-down the game and give all gamers a good experience with Planetside.

[Stew]

so you don't want others to enjoy planetside, because it would "Hurt the franchise" I cannot believe you people!

At this momment the consoles both ps3 and xbox are to old and to restrictive for the developpers Look at bf3 consoles vs bf3 PC

Also the next gen consoles will most likely have a Planetside 2 port but they are rigth it is better than planetside at this very momment was not release on Consoles

Because the dev team can exploits and push the most out of it

If it was designed for consoles multiplatform the developements cost and ressources have to be split and the dev team in this condition are not going to be able to make this game as good as it is !

Consoles are to old 7 years and 6 years old comon man u can understand thats rigth ?

Normally a console life cycle is suposed to be 4 years max not 8 to 9

[FatCandy]

The definition of MMO is so sketchy that a lot of this thread is nitpicking just to make X, Y or Z look bad. In my mind, both games are MMOs but not in a way that's comparable. PlanetSide's play environment is massive both on a physical and direct population scale. Dust, on the other hand, is a real part of a massive, unified universe where the player's actions will have direct impact on the world in both an economic and political sense. The political and economic factors of EVE contribute far more to its massiveness (because that's a word?) than the ability to jam a bunch of people into one system. Big battles can happen but they aren't something that the majority of players will ever experience.

PC vs Console? Really?
Graphics: Both have high quality visuals (when compared to other FPS titles), both for characters and environment.
Control schemes: Both support KB+M.
The only advantage PC has over console in this case is map size and CCP didn't want PS sized maps so it's not a factor. It doesn't matter what system they're on when it comes to the actual game. The rest is fanboy flag waving.

Skill power scales?
PS and Dust both have skills that are purchased via skill points you get over time and through play. Both skill systems that provide an incremental base power boost that is progressively prohibitive when moving to max. EVE -does- have 5 levels in all skills but the first 3 (60% of the bonus) is always very quick. It's easy to get to lv4 in all relevant skills and then specialize with the last rank. That last rank is usually 2% to 5% more damage or fire rate or accuracy at the cost of 6-30 days of training time. PS2, from what I can tell, is the same when it comes to passives. The time scale is likely more forgiving for PS2 but the likelyhood of people not maxing out skills is about the same.

Gear power scales?
Both games let you train skills and accrue resources (Dust's resource is ISK) to buy specialized sidegrades. Dust lets you spend more for direct upgrades but, like EVE, most people will operate in the middle band with the top end being fairly inaccessible and not a huge advantage. Advantage, yes, but, as someone who has played EVE for years, not one that truly matters in the long run.

In the end, PS2 is a massive map with low permanence and no depth. Dust is a tiny map with high permanence and a rich back end. They're two ends of the spectrum in many ways. If Dust had a Revolutionary War skin nobody would even be having this conversation. The games are only, on the barest level, selling similar play experiences. Once you get past "Point at guy. Shoot at guy." and look at the wide expanse of the rest of the games the differences become clear.

Looking forward to NDAs being lifted so direct examples can be given and all this can be put to rest.

this is honestly what I have been trying to convey when I came on these forums I did not come here with the attentions of defending dust, but I felt like I had to, just because these guys were disliking it for such stupid reasons. Sorry if I came off as a fanboy.

[erunion]

so you don't want others to enjoy planetside, because it would "Hurt the franchise" I cannot believe you people!

That's not what I said, now is it?

I want people to enjoy Planetside. I wish more people had enjoyed PS1 with me at launch.
What I do not want is for people to not enjoy playing a watered down port that carries the Planetside name.

[FatCandy]

That's not what I said, now is it?

I want people to enjoy Planetside. I wish more people had enjoyed PS1 with me at launch.
What I do not want is for people to not enjoy playing a watered down port that carries the Planetside name.

yeahhhh, you might want to fix that

[Stew]

this is honestly what I have been trying to convey when I came on these forums I did not come here with the attentions of defending dust, but I felt like I had to, just because these guys were disliking it for such stupid reasons. Sorry if I came off as a fanboy.

I dislike dust at the momment because the TTK is a way to high and lead to stupid and annoying combat and also because the gameplay is not thats good and the caracter moovement are horrific

and i want to compare both game on the core level not on the options or maps of back story simply on the gameplay gunsplay

[exLupo]

i want to compare both game on the core level not on the options or maps of back story simply on the gameplay gunsplay

To do that with any hint of credibility one would have to breach NDA and that's a no-no. If you're playing either, outside of press events, you'd best keep your experiences to yourself.

[erunion]

yeahhhh, you might want to fix that

Its correct. Its also a double negative.

The reason it would hurt the franchise would be because people would not enjoy it. Notice that playing and enjoying are not the same thing.

Keep digging that hole.

[FatCandy]

Its correct. Its also a double negative.

The reason it would hurt the franchise would be because people would not enjoy it. Notice that playing and enjoying are not the same thing.

Keep digging that hole.
uhhh, it said enjoy playing, try reading.

[Mastachief]

Isn't dust limited toe 48players permap? if so.........

/thread

[erunion]

uhhh, it said enjoy playing, try reading.

I see. I'm being trolled. Have a nice day.

[FatCandy]

I see. I'm being trolled. Have a nice day.

unsure how I'm trolling when I am just informing YOU what YOU posted

[Synapse]

Dust514 cut me deep being console only. Then out of nowhere Planetside 2 was announced and all was right in the world again.

I was even worse than you. I bought an Xbox specifically to practice for Dust514. Then they made it playstation exclusive.

I'm so glad planetside2 came along to save me.

[Stew]

To do that with any hint of credibility one would have to breach NDA and that's a no-no. If you're playing either, outside of press events, you'd best keep your experiences to yourself.

With the gaming experience i have just from the video i was able to tell wich ones as the better caracter moovement hit detection gameplays and gunplays !

[Serotriptomine]

P.s. **** that ****ing slay game right in the ***her ****ing ***!

:evil:

[erunion]

unsure how I'm trolling when I am just informing YOU what YOU posted

I said something you disagreed with. But you lacked any rational argument against what I said so you resorted to creating an ad hominem in attempt to discredit me as a person instead of the idea I presented.

After I showed you how your summary of my argument was different than what I actually said, you played semantics to try to prove that my position is something other than what I was directly telling you it is.

Edit: Sorry for my part in hijacking this thread. Feel free to delete this back and forth, mods.

[Ductape]

I think that Planetside 2 looks like a much better game. I think that Dust514 will end up being a lost opportunity on the PS3 and will carry a bad reputation over to PC if/when it gets ported, dooming it to failure on the PS3 and limited success on PC only due to the EVE playerbase.

My brother plays EVE and while he tried to get me into it, I couldn't deal with CCP's flagship spreadsheet simulator. Where EVE gets its richness (like planetside) is the player made content. EVE has an amazing depth in its Universe and in-game economy, to the point where its almost alive. The stories and intrigue that come out of it are as entertaining as some good novel's plot lines. This is where Dust will fail, and Planetside 2 will succeed.

Dust doesn't look like it has that excellent of shooter mechanics, from the footage that I've seen. There are guns, and they do shoot. Same thing for tanks and air vehicles. But it is all taking place on a very sparsely populated map, and lacks the soul seen in other shooters, which is a huge thing that ps2 seems to have going for it. The p2w/"make-sure-to-get-hired-by-rich-corps" model will help for increasing the tension dramatically for big contracts, but seems like it will also allow for some very unbalanced gameplay and a loss of fun for the majority of the time you spend playing. The only really major bonus/selling factor that it has going for it is the connectivity with the EVE universe.

The connection with the EVE universe however, despite its incredibly fascinating metagame possibilities, will not make the core game any more enjoyable to play for those not involved in the EVE universe. The galactic campaign that they are apart of won't mean anything to them beyond the paycheck that this facility capture will pay out. The console platform isn't conducive to teamplay like pc is, and so will turn the game into a boring deathmatch with a low player density and poor mechanics.

Planetside 2, however is shaping up to be an amazing game so far. With excellent mechanics, an abundance of player interaction, and all the gameplay depth that comes with that, despite all taking place on a single planet with low permanence. Planetside 2 seems like it will have a much better overall experience than Dust514.

What I feel would have made dust514 a success is to
-1)Release it on PC (I'm still hurt that they decided to ignore the pc for this one)
-2)Change the game to accommodate 100 or so players on a side
-3)Have the capture path resemble bc2's rush gametype, or better yet, Project Reality's AAS mode for those who are familiar with it. The maps would probably have to be 2km x 4km to really accommodate this properly.
-4)Add squad functionality

The Orbital strikes would now have meaning (they seem like a useless gimmick atm) and could take out groups of troops rather than the odd lone trooper/tank as the case seems to be now. The higher population density with the higher likelyhood for a frontline to form would make the fights seem more like they are fighting for a cause greater than their own, as well as contributing to better gameplay overall.

And thats my 10 cents.

[exLupo]

Purely from the videos, target saturation during the beginning and middle of a Dust match look a little low. This clears up when you're compressed at the final cap at the end. However, until then, it looks a touch empty.

Why CCP decided to go with PS3 nobody outside their boardroom knows. It could be due to the choice to use Unreal and playing with the inherent limitations of an existing engine. Maybe they are getting some sweet Sony love. Who knows? It wouldn't surprise me at all if they fudged a timeline on when both PlanetSide 2 and BF3 were coming out and decided that PC wouldn't be the best time to play a somewhat experimental concept. With the competition, maybe PlayStation really is the best way to go. We'll never know. They've got some ok ideas. I wish them the best of luck. If the game plays well and CCP keeps pushing change and content then it could be a success. The core concepts are solid, now it's down to implementation and support.

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As far as watching videos and knowing how a game plays, we all know that's pretty much false. You can get a general idea but nothing compares to actually playing the game. Especially when dev/press footage are usually on short networks and the actual play environment is far more impacted by latency. I'm sure the mid era PS1 devs thought the netcode changes were fantastic but when they got deployed, especially in regards to sniping, things didn't play out well. You never know what you're dealing with until you've got your hands in the live product.

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NDA. *sigh*

[dyslecix]

From looking at the videos I think dust514 is instanced which males it auto lose compared to planet side IMO


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[exLupo]

Yet another reason why comparisons are inapplicable. One is an open-world shooter, the other is match based. Simply having an open world doesn't make a game better. There are some horrible open-world games (rts, action rpg, etc) that aren't anywhere near as good in core mechanics as instanced versions. However, if you want an open-world version, the instanced ones won't scratch the itch.

While both are fruit, apples are not oranges.

[Stew]

Yet another reason why comparisons are inapplicable. One is an open-world shooter, the other is match based. Simply having an open world doesn't make a game better. There are some horrible open-world games (rts, action rpg, etc) that aren't anywhere near as good in core mechanics as instanced versions. However, if you want an open-world version, the instanced ones won't scratch the itch.

While both are fruit, apples are not oranges.

its MMO site who compare both like massively joystick and some others thats why and many people as well

So i put up some evidance some video to compare the core gameplay i do not even come up about options but both games share a lots of stuff like implants Eve like skills advancements futuristics setting domination over territory /planets to get ressources out of it , also vehicules thats cost something in game ressources etc..etc..

[exLupo]

And comparisons will only serve to harm one or the other. You have to divorce the shooter and MMO aspects of each game as they overly prejudice the comparison in one direction or another depending on what the reader wants from a game.

Major gaming sites compare LoL to Bloodline as well and that matchup is just as flawed. Just because people choose to compare things doesn't mean they should. If Tabula hadn't died due to a horrifying lack of content, it, too, would be compared to PS and Dust. It was a sci-fi shooter MMO so has all the right buzzwords and it would be a mistake.

PS2 and Dust games are similar enough that, if both had been on PC, they'd fight for the "generic sci-fi shooter" market but the legacies of both titles won't be determined by box quotes and hash tags. When you get to the nuts and bolts, the Venn diagrams of itches scratched only partially overlap.

Again, you can ask someone which fruit, apple or orange, they like better and they can pick. If you ask them which citrus fruit, apple or orange, they like better, they'll look at you funny.

edit: This isn't to say I don't like the comparison video you've made. It's interesting to see them put side by side so their related qualities can be analyzed. But, it's like Rocky 3 and you're putting Balboa and Thunderlips in the same ring. Fun but you can't really make a competition out of it.

[wraithverge]

This game is SLOW, it looks like it's designed for people who play an MMO where you fly a ship, and can't be bothered to actually steer while dogfighting. This does not look like it was designed for FPS or skill based games, it looks like a shooter designed for tactical players. Two different target audiences that just happen to often overlap.

CoF was huge, hitting people even with good aiming was based just as much on luck as skill, maybe the CoF shrinks when crouching but they never stopped moving.

TTK was way too high, but that might just be the fact that it took 20 rounds to hit the guy 3 times.

Vehicles looked like they could absorb too many hits.

All in all it looked like ps1 with way too big CoF. People will play for the EVE aspects and the team play on console.

I think it will stick around for six months then experience a MASSIVE patch that dramatically changes things. Once this happens, I think it's a nice contender, but we know which game just looks more fun now. Which makes me sad as I really did have high hopes for this game and it doesn't look like one I'd ever want to play.

[The Janitor]

I definitely plan on playing Dust a bit... once it comes out on PC. :p

[hypehype]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M5hRc8m1MwE&feature=youtu.be

I have updated this to suceed to my first video after GDC ive made this one after E3 to compare both games after few months of developpements !

so Wich ones look better and play better and why ?

You like to argue dont you?
I have seen you post this topic on the MAG forums.

[bjorntju1]

AFAIK Dust only has battles with 24 vs 24 players. I don't call that an MMOFPS. And I find Dust very bland looking. Graphics looks horrible too.

[Mechzz]

AFAIK Dust only has battles with 24 vs 24 players. I don't call that an MMOFPS. And I find Dust very bland looking. Graphics looks horrible too.

I had hopes for Dust - its MMO side lies in the link to EvE rather than the 24 v 24 maps. I also think they've said orbital strikes from EvE will not be in at the start. Unfortunately what I've seen so far hasn't really inspired me.
Still, I've applied for the beta and if they have the f2p side of it right I'll give it a whirl if I get into the beta before I get into PS2.

But right now, it's PS2 hands down for me.

[hypehype]

I had hopes for Dust - its MMO side lies in the link to EvE rather than the 24 v 24 maps. I also think they've said orbital strikes from EvE will not be in at the start. Unfortunately what I've seen so far hasn't really inspired me.
Still, I've applied for the beta and if they have the f2p side of it right I'll give it a whirl if I get into the beta before I get into PS2.

But right now, it's PS2 hands down for me.

you can get into the beta right now via using PS Home.
I have tried it.

http://www.dust514.org/home/item/want-a-dust-514-beta-key-ps-home-has-you-covered

This link has better instructions http://blog.us.playstation.com/2012/06/13/more-dust-514-beta-codes-available-in-playstation-home/

you dont have to win the slay game, Just play vs computer and keep skipping your turn.

[bjorntju1]

Cool, I will try for a key and see how it plays. From what I have seen it didn't impress me.

[Mechzz]

you can get into the beta right now via using PS Home.
I have tried it.

http://www.dust514.org/home/item/want-a-dust-514-beta-key-ps-home-has-you-covered

This link has better instructions http://blog.us.playstation.com/2012/06/13/more-dust-514-beta-codes-available-in-playstation-home/

you dont have to win the slay game, Just play vs computer and keep skipping your turn.

Thanks mate! This'll give me something to do tomorrow!
(I hope this cold clears up soon!)

[TacosWLove]

Having played DUST all I can say is: Its will NEVER ever reach the awesomeness of PS2. Why?

#1 UR3 engine has been so over played I cunt stand it anymore, feels like ive done this over and over before

#2 XX player death match qualifies as a MMO? Hell if it does if you ask me... Give me REAL massive scale please (NDA)

#3 Sure I can get on my EVE character and blast down hot firah from my revalation (mebbe someday), but the coolness factor of this is slowly dwindling when the maingame play is choppy and sucks.

#4 Take EVE's complexity and put it into a FPS and your going to get a lot of people saying "WHY?"

[Obiyer]

I don't think it's a coincidence that Dust is on PS3 and Planetside is PC only. I'm thinking whoever was in charge of the deal making from Sony with CCP had this as an issue. The two games aren't competitors, Dust is a console FPS, and Planetside is PC. It's sad that even in the same genre due to the input devices the game mechanics are affected by it.

PS2 is massive in scope, Dust is like centralized and focused with a huge focus on the market. One is like a bat, the other is like a dagger. They are pretty different.

[Nephilimuk]

both games are very different - not played PS2 yet :)

Dust is good though just not on the same scale but the hook up to EVE is very interesting and its potential is fascinating

[ArbitraryDemise]

I will never be a fan of Dust.

For one simple reason.

The capacity for people that are ostensibly on the same side to sabotage each other.

Now let me be clear here. I do not mind politics in a game, I do not mind people being able to infiltrate an organization, or stab me in the back.

However, what I do mind is when i am required to conduct a business deal over the internet. All the tricks, all the tells, all the quirks and habits that can tell you if someone is being straight with you only work when you can see the person.

I will not play a game where it is all or nothing, where I must commit and am still able to be screwed. Where I must say yes, or no and my erstwhile employer is able to answer back with dozens of different answers, of varying degrees of honesty, and with hell if I know how many degrees of intent.

If you want me to play in a world of politics give me the tools and options I would actually have.

[MrBloodworth]

Even 10 % more damage will make a huge difference between 2 equally skills players !

one will have mostlikely 10 % health left and the other will be dead if they start shooting at the same time !

The weapons balanced is not balanced in the same way than regular shooter and its a bad game designed choice in my opinion

So you are OK with the 20% variance PS2 will employ?

[Chronic]

Isn't dust limited toe 48players permap? if so.........

/thread

64 vs. 64 has been tested. Still doesn't make it an MMOFPS...

128 player games are possible in BF2 but the asshole who made it is keeping the files to himself.

[DoctorBrain]

Dust514 cut me deep being console only. Then out of nowhere Planetside 2 was announced and all was right in the world again.

Pretty much this. Dust514 sounded like a great idea until I found out it was going to be on a console. I was very disappointed, since the concept of two separate but connected games was a really good one.

Planetside 2 beats it though, hands-down. It's hard to compete against an FPS with 2000 players all fighting at once.

[FatCandy]

think of them like this dust 514 has smaller battles, but MUCH bigger wars.

[CuddlyChud]

Dust expands the EVE MMO experience for EVE players but if you're just a dust player, the greater war is sort of lost on you. I haven't played it, but I just don't see it as an MMO. It sounds interesting in theory, but since I'm not an EVE player, I don't see much appeal in just playing Dust514.

[FatCandy]

Dust expands the EVE MMO experience for EVE players but if you're just a dust player, the greater war is sort of lost on you. I haven't played it, but I just don't see it as an MMO. It sounds interesting in theory, but since I'm not an EVE player, I don't see much appeal in just playing Dust514.

you really don't know a lot about the game. I'm okay if you don't like the game, but if you knew more about it you wouldn't be saying that

[asdar]

People that play MMO's freak about losing gear, but if you've ever played a game that had that feature you'll realize that it's not a bad thing. It adds depth to the game and resources are directly used to get armor.

It depends on what you want in a game, losing gear is immersive, it gives importance to resources and crafters, it makes death sting and seem real.

Every game I've played like that made getting at least basic armor so easy that it's like a small credit hit, and not anything to worry about.

I like console games, and the controllers so I'm not crying PC is better either. I like the look of PS2 better, I like the way they've set things up much better too. PS2 for me.

[DerFurst]

I wouldn't call this game an MMO.

If anything, I'd call it an FPSRPG.

[Haro]

Dust is looking a lot like how Battle... I mean PlanetSide 2 should be! If only it was on PC I would have gone straight to it,and forgotten about BATTLEFIELD AURAXIS.

So PS2 should be 24v24 matches fitting into a whole other MMO?

You can still leave. We wouldn't mind.

------------

Honestly, I'm at the very least intrigued by Dust 514 and some of the things its offering. The actual shooter mechanics seem to offer little new, but I find the economy fascinating. Now, for those who have freaked out about the whole rearmament thing, relax: this is Eve in a nutshell. The game's balance is totally out there, and nothing comes even close to it, because it is a game with very little rules. I assume the whole 24 cents for armor thing refers to the ISK costs converted to real cash, which doesn't surprise me at all. Everything in Eve costs money, and it does give you an advantage, but there's a cost as well. A titan may outgun just about anything else in the universe, but Goonswarm and other corps have taken them out with hordes of smaller, easily replaced ships.

Eve has this weird sort of meta-balancing system, far more complicated than anything else there. It certainly wouldn't work for PS2, I'm not even sure how well the general philosophy will adapt for a 24v24 fps, but the spirit of the system is one I think we should keep in mind, especially as PS2 engages its own resource system.

I plan on at least trying both. Why not? Not paying anything.

[Zekeen]

Dust is looking a lot like how Battle... I mean PlanetSide 2 should be! If only it was on PC I would have gone straight to it,and forgotten about BATTLEFIELD AURAXIS.

Dust is an FPS to represent planetary control for EVE. Planetside, will have space combat eventually, that victory supports the battle on the surface. A bit of a reversed role, but it will happen someday. But Dust has nothing as far as combat with Planetside. It's battles over a small area, PS is about a global battle over continents. You'd get bored of it within a few weeks, PS never gets boring because it's such a broad spectrum. Until the game got broken by overpowered vehicles, it never slowed down. So PS2, learning from the mistakes, will no doubt trump that little fake into the "dust".

[NEWSKIS]

The truth is if you're looking for something similar to the original PlanetSide, Dust isnt for you. You can't compare them really because they arent trying to make the same game. Dust is making an FPS that fits into the world of EVE online. PS2 is making an FPS game to be the next version of PlanetSide.

And this forum is going to be biased because more people here are looking for a planetside sequel than anything else.

[FatCandy]

Dust is an FPS to represent planetary control for EVE. Planetside, will have space combat eventually, that victory supports the battle on the surface. A bit of a reversed role, but it will happen someday. But Dust has nothing as far as combat with Planetside. It's battles over a small area, PS is about a global battle over continents. You'd get bored of it within a few weeks, PS never gets boring because it's such a broad spectrum. Until the game got broken by overpowered vehicles, it never slowed down. So PS2, learning from the mistakes, will no doubt trump that little fake into the "dust".

you would get board of DUST in a few weeks? A game full of politics, while in PS2 you will ALWAYS just be attacking an outpost that really doesn't mean anything outside of your continent. In PS2 you will fight a long and bloody battle over a single outpost until victory is achieved, then what? You do it again, and again, and some more, maybe you lose then your back where you started. Explain to me how this is preferable to getting hired out as a merc and fighting for an installation and planets to complete a contract and advance a completely unscripted and 100% player driven war or give it to some corp who just wants to make more isk, despite pissing off a major power.

[Top Sgt]

there is a reason they so pushing a complete NDA for dust.. It's terrible. the political stuff behind it might be half interesting.. but don't go by the videos on YT and the cut scenes and set up play the devs have shown a bit of. Go download and play it yourself... it's IMO terrible gameplay wise.

[Warborn]

Dust is an FPS to represent planetary control for EVE. Planetside, will have space combat eventually, that victory supports the battle on the surface. A bit of a reversed role, but it will happen someday. But Dust has nothing as far as combat with Planetside. It's battles over a small area, PS is about a global battle over continents. You'd get bored of it within a few weeks, PS never gets boring because it's such a broad spectrum. Until the game got broken by overpowered vehicles, it never slowed down. So PS2, learning from the mistakes, will no doubt trump that little fake into the "dust".

You're aware that Dust isn't being released and that'll be it, right? Dust will be updated with new features and expanded gameplay over time as well.

But comparing future plans is kind of pointless, as it's anyone's guess how they'll pan out. Maybe Dust will be a huge flop and nothing will happen. Maybe Planetside 2 will suck and Higby will get fired and all his plans will go down the toilet. Who knows.

That said, the scale of the fighting is deceptive. Nothing you do in Planetside 2 will ever have an effect which lasts beyond the day in which you do it. Even the most brilliant and well-executed strategy will accomplish nothing. It'll be a fun game, sure, just like Battlefield 3 is, but there's zero depth to it.

Dust, conversely, is a mix of shallow, pick-up-and-play FPS action like Planetside, as well as very deep, multi-game corporation vs. corporation warfare. Most people are probably aware of the shenanigans that EVE players have gotten up to. The things people do in EVE can make gaming history, essentially. People will remember the guys who scammed $50,000 (http://massively.joystiq.com/2011/08/12/biggest-eve-online-scam-ever-recorded-nets-over-a-trillion-isk/) worth of stuff. Or the First Great War (http://wiki.eveonline.com/en/wiki/Great_War) which lasted nearly a year and saw thousands of players and trillions of isk spent and lost in a war that spanned the galaxy, and had major consequences for everyone involved, including the destruction of numerous player corporations.

It really all depends what you're in the market for. If you want to just pick up the game and play and not really worry about what's going on, just having fun shooting some guys just like you've done every other time, Planetside 2 will be enough. But if the idea of being a part of a much bigger game, where the actions your outfit takes can have big consequences across the entire EVE and universe, then maybe Dust will be more your style. Sure, the individual fights might be smaller than Planetside, but that's not necessarily a bad thing for all players, either.

The truth is if you're looking for something similar to the original PlanetSide, Dust isnt for you.

I'd say the opposite is true actually. In Planetside 2, you take a few bullets and you drop. Its pacing is just like Battlefield 3. Which is fine, because BF3 is a really good game and the combat is very fast-paced.

Dust, from the videos I've seen (and this may change before release I guess) is paced way more closely to Planetside 1. You don't die in a couple bullets. You can take a few hits before going down. The pacing is much slower.

So, ironically, I'd say if you want something similar in terms of pacing to the original Planetside, Dust 514 probably is for you. If you want something much faster-paced, Planetside 2 is probably what you want.

[FatCandy]

there is a reason they so pushing a complete NDA for dust.. It's terrible. the political stuff behind it might be half interesting.. but don't go by the videos on YT and the cut scenes and set up play the devs have shown a bit of. Go download and play it yourself... it's IMO terrible gameplay wise.

I'm going ahead and breaking my NDA right here... I love it. seriously though what the devs show off doesn't do justice considering they can't really show the EVE integration and have yet to show how the commander has RTS mode.

[Zekeen]

you would get board of DUST in a few weeks? A game full of politics, while in PS2 you will ALWAYS just be attacking an outpost that really doesn't mean anything outside of your continent. In PS2 you will fight a long and bloody battle over a single outpost until victory is achieved, then what? You do it again, and again, and some more, maybe you lose then your back where you started. Explain to me how this is preferable to getting hired out as a merc and fighting for an installation and planets to complete a contract and advance a completely unscripted and 100% player driven war or give it to some corp who just wants to make more isk, despite pissing off a major power.

Won't EVE be where all the politics are going on? As usual. And you will be fighting in tiny little matches. In Planetside you're not attacking a single base, you're hitting several and can switch between them as you feel fit so long as the logistics are there. You organize the team that goes with you, and where you hit, and improve yourself as a team to hit behind enemy lines, bases, and more, instead of just going into a fight. Dust seems to be just matches, to determine political events in another game. Planetside is a global warfare, with thousands of people. We can do black ops, aircraft patrols, and anything insane you can think of. There is no real limit to what you can do or where you can be. Dust is supposedly only 24 v 24, fighting for objectives of someone else in a whole nother game. Planetside has you fighting for both your side and your own personal advantages by owning territory. The scale, the combat, the gameplay, the logistics, and the self reason for fighting certain locations give it a billion times more indepth gameplay experience than Dust can, or ever could, offer. If they had enlarged it to larger areas of conflicted zones with hundred+ players, it could be good too, but it's just going to pail in comparison as is.

When they get it as good as the original hype is, I'll agree with you, but until then it's off my radar. I'm a PS addict anyways (obviously).

[FatCandy]

Won't EVE be where all the politics are going on? As usual. And you will be fighting in tiny little matches. In Planetside you're not attacking a single base, you're hitting several and can switch between them as you feel fit so long as the logistics are there. You organize the team that goes with you, and where you hit, and improve yourself as a team to hit behind enemy lines, bases, and more, instead of just going into a fight. Dust seems to be just matches, to determine political events in another game. Planetside is a global warfare, with thousands of people. We can do black ops, aircraft patrols, and anything insane you can think of. There is no real limit to what you can do or where you can be. Dust is supposedly only 24 v 24, fighting for objectives of someone else in a whole nother game. Planetside has you fighting for both your side and your own personal advantages by owning territory. The scale, the combat, the gameplay, the logistics, and the self reason for fighting certain locations give it a billion times more indepth gameplay experience than Dust can, or ever could, offer. If they had enlarged it to larger areas of conflicted zones with hundred+ players, it could be good too, but it's just going to pail in comparison as is.

When they get it as good as the original hype is, I'll agree with you, but until then it's off my radar. I'm a PS addict anyways (obviously).

1)good job that black ops example really got me, if only when you wake the next day it still meant something....
2)just because you have neat options for attacking a battle doesn't translate to depth
3)you don't need ridiculous amounts of players to make it "good"
4)"self-reason for fighting" I would take someone paying me over pride for a virtual faction any-day
5)you seem to think you will be running errands for eve, but I will fight for a corp who hired me if I win it affects that war if my client wins the war you can bet I'll get more business

you guys are really pissing me off I came here to talk about PS2 not defend an unrelated game, but your collective ignorance is staggering.

[Zekeen]

1)good job that black ops example really got me, if only when you wake the next day it still meant something....
2)just because you have neat options for attacking a battle doesn't translate to depth
3)you don't need ridiculous amounts of players to make it "good"
4)"self-reason for fighting" I would take someone paying me over pride for a virtual faction any-day
5)you seem to think you will be running errands for eve, but I will fight for a corp who hired me if I win it affects that war if my client wins the war you can bet I'll get more business


It's got some good features, but I'm disappointed by the size. I was hoping for more of a war than a small squad vs squad skirmish, even if there are vehicle. When they flesh out their ideas and features, I'll rework my view on it, but until then, it doesn't have enough appeal. I just don't think it can hold much against Planetside as it stands. I view Planetside like you are currently viewing Dust. Don't get upset because our views conflict.


you guys are really pissing me off I came here to talk about PS2 not defend an unrelated game, but your collective ignorance is staggering.

We all feel Planetside 2 is superior, it's why we're here on these forums. If you don't hold Dust up against Planetside, a lot of people will support it, but most of us feel Planetside is the best. Don't get pissed just cause we prefer 1000x1000 over 24x24, and think all the other features are far superior. You don't HAVE to defend the game, if we are ignorant, we will remain ignorant, and if we change our minds, we change our minds.

[Methonius]

I rather stick with 2000 players than 48 players. Also I like my keyboard and mouse for FPS games not two thumb sticks that take forever to line up shots correctly because everyone knows they're not as precise as a mouse is. Plus how can you beat the forge light engine... come on.

[The Degenatron]

Here is all of the comparison I need:

http://www.nextgn.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/03/NextGN-Dust-514-gameplay-screen-shot.jpg

http://www.planetside2.com/uploads/dcsclient/000/000/002/781.jpg?v=131.4

At some point in the early 21st Century, video game designers decided that muted shades of gray and brown made their game "Realistic" and "gritty".

Boy, was THAT stupid.

Thank you PS2 Team, for giving my eyes something to feast on!

[Top Sgt]

i'm still not even sure why were having this discussion/thread

Discuss dust 514 on the sony beta threads

basti or a mod close this shyt up

[Ghoest9]

People whining about earning and losing your gear in Dust - should not play dust because it clearly is too much for you.

That said PS2 looks more fun to me and I have no desire to play a FPS on a consul.

[Algo]

Is there any place where the eve-dust integration is specified? I've been struggling to find something condensed anywhere.

[ShadoViper]

Why are you even playing both? One is an amazing persistent, deep gameplay MMOFPS (DUST) The other is a casualized, run an gun, Battlefield clone (PlanetSide 2). Just play the good one. :D

Then go play the Dust beta.

[NewSith]

I quote:


Hmmmmm. I really think if CCP combined the effort with SOE and made a crossplatform persistent MMOFPS based on EvE with every single planet being a large-scale non-instanced battlefield... (re-read that again, come on)

the end of the world would happen. But here they are creating different games of the same soul. Yet to me PS2 is better. Mostly because I'm a battlehungry person with thirst for scale.

Edit: I think I'm having some sort of attention problems. I'm starting to miss words in my posts.

[The Degenatron]

Why are you even playing both? One is an amazing persistent, deep gameplay MMOFPS (DUST) The other is a casualized, run an gun, Battlefield clone (PlanetSide 2). Just play the good one. :D

Is this purposefully wrong or are you just that misinformed? Are you a troll, or have no clue as to what you're talking about?

The world may never know.

I can tell you what we DO know:

You chose a lame name and made a burner account (pretty obvious - was "whyUmad" taken already? Hey buddy /v/ is that way ----->)

You spend your time here talking down PS2 instead of at the EVE or Dust forums talking up your game of choice.

Dust is just another washed out, bland eye-sore of a game. Pass along a message to your buddies at CCP: computers, even the Playstation, are capable of displaying MILLIONS of colors - the vast majority of which are not shades of grey and brown.

Dust is going to burn a LOT of players in its first week. Casual FPS gamers are going to pick that game up at stores ($60 to try a game out - how quaint) and then their gonna find out that they are being way out gunned and camped hard by players who have EVE Corp backing and that they stand no chance and that the only way to get on a level playing field is to SUBSCRIBE to EVE (a game that is equivelent to watching paint dry) just so they can get an in with a EVE Corp.

Guys like you are gonna call it an "MMO" when it's just yet another small instanced game with an MMO-Lobby. And when people who are actually looking for an MMOFPS get suckered into playing it, they will realize that you and CCP were both full of shit.

And your "run and gun" dig at PS2 is laughable. The reason is because in PS2 you can in fact play a Run-n-gun style and have a LOT of fun doing it. You can also engage in deeply tactical, coordinated campaigns with massive teams that dwarf the entire server capacity of Dust rounds. I guess Dust doesn't give you that option - cover-based shooting is the ONLY option in Dust, huh?

So, to answer the question posed by your name: Why Mad? Because you're here, taking up space and trolling instead of spending time where you belong. And why are you doing that? Obvious: Because you mad.

[NewSith]

DUST is FREE! What do you mean 60$? Do you even no any thing about dust?

Ok, so you come here trolling or protecting D514?

If you're protecting it: AFAIK 90% of the PSU folk actually repect D514 as a good and probably the only competitor for PS2, despite its semi-instanceness. Besides the products are designed for different platforms.

In case you're trolling - the color you chose looks like piss.

[The Degenatron]

DUST is FREE! What do you mean 60$? Do you even no any thing about dust?
AAAAAAAHHH HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!

CCP CAVED!! That's so f'in funny my sides are hurting.

Thanks dude, best news all day!

When Dust was announced it was slated to be a Boxed Store item. I see here that CCP then went to a $20 Sony Store model, and now... HA HA HA... they've caved completely. Honestly, I hadn't kept up because Dust really wasn't worth my attention.

I guess they aren't as dumb as their graphics look. They realized there was NO WAY they could compete against a F2P AAA title like PS2 while expecting to charge for the game up front.

I guess they're expecting to pick up their revenue from EVE subscriptions generated by Dust. - How sad for the FPS community.

BTW - when someone picks out one single thing out of one of my posts like that, I take it you concede every one of my other points.

You apology is accepted.

Good day, sir.

[Bogarty]

How is PS2 a BF clone? Way more players, resources, and three sides vs 2. Already significantly different.


I watched the Dust 514 video, and honestly, maybe I'll play it... but Planetside just looks better to me in about every way... Maybe it's the coloring, but Dust 514 looks depressing and even boring (kinda like EVE imo).

I don't play video games to establish a virtual second-life. I play video games to have fun - and that's what Planetside 2 looks like.

When I want depth, I'll play Skyrim.

[Aurmanite]

Why is anyone even replying to "whymad"?

He's clearly just trollin. Don't fall for that shit. My lawd.

[FatCandy]

AAAAAAAHHH HA HA HA HA HA HA!!!!!

CCP CAVED!! That's so f'in funny my sides are hurting.

Thanks dude, best news all day!

When Dust was announced it was slated to be a Boxed Store item. I see here that CCP then went to a $20 Sony Store model, and now... HA HA HA... they've caved completely. Honestly, I hadn't kept up because Dust really wasn't worth my attention.

I guess they aren't as dumb as their graphics look. They realized there was NO WAY they could compete against a F2P AAA title like PS2 while expecting to charge for the game up front.

I guess they're expecting to pick up their revenue from EVE subscriptions generated by Dust. - How sad for the FPS community.

BTW - when someone picks out one single thing out of one of my posts like that, I take it you concede every one of my other points.

You apology is accepted.

Good day, sir.

uhh PS2 isn't competing with Dust 514, and it was always slated to be F2P the 20 bucks was a cover charge and converted directly to Aurum. your point about them expecting to make money of EVE subs is ridiculous as F2P models make ridiculous bucks.

[NewSith]

Why is anyone even replying to "whymad"?

He's clearly just trollin. Don't fall for that shit. My lawd.

I think this may even be an actual D514 player trolling. And he even has quite a reason to troll. I mean check the thread contents. Hell, even the name of the video. I think it had its share of negative comments, but it's still running.

[The Degenatron]

Well PlanetSide 2 is turning into a terrible game!
http://imagemacros.files.wordpress.com/2009/08/your_opinion.jpg?w=720

And I am on the eve and dust forums

That sure was a fast response for someone on a differnt forum. It's like you're ONLY reading THIS forum and not readinbg those forums at all. That's AMAZING. :rolleyes:


You have no Idea of how DUST is all about you can't talk about it!

I know what I've seen: Brown and grey screen shots and brown and VERY grey trailer videos.

Who shall I believe, you or my lying eyes, huh?

PlanetSide 2 is not going to be like that at all it's just another BF clone!

Keep telling yourself that, maybe you'll believe it one day.

[FatCandy]

I think this may even be an actual D514 player trolling. And he even has quite a reason to troll. I mean check the thread contents. Hell, even the name of the video. I think it had its share of negative comments, but it's still running.

I like dust 514 over PS2, but even I can see that obvious troll is obvious, and this video was meant to bate for people like him.

[NewSith]

I like dust 514 over PS2, but even I can see that obvious troll is obvious, and this video was meant to bate for people like him.

As I said he has a reason to troll. Or more precisely - the people here are too easy to troll. You don't even need to say D514 > PS2, you say PS2 is on equal and they instantly explode with OHMIGOSHNOTTRUE. That's what I mean by reason.

[Phellix]

This thread.
http://media.tumblr.com/tumblr_m5hogyqBlB1qbuz24.jpg

[Top Sgt]

come on mods your all over PS2 threads usually

but your letting this worthless thread continue?

close it already.

[captainkapautz]

As for Battlefield, never played it, I prefer an fps with a scifi theme.

Battlefield 2142.

[Aurmanite]

Battlefield 2142.

2142 is the best one out of the entire series.
IMO.

[FatCandy]

Battlefield 2142.

while I agree with your recommendation this thread is useless.

[captainkapautz]

while I agree with your recommendation this thread is useless.

Oh, It sure is.

Was just pointing out that BF2142 is pretty much exactly what he was looking for.

[FatCandy]

Oh, It sure is.

Was just pointing out that BF2142 is pretty much exactly what he was looking for.

that game never became to popular, because for the most part it felt like a re skinned 1942, did u see the BF3 2143 Easter egg?

[DerFurst]

I find it asinine that someone would register a user in the planetside forum under the name "whymad" simply for the purpose of trolling planetside.

Why would you waste your effort on us, whymad? You should be circle jerking exclusively on the dust 514 forums.

[Aurmanite]

that game never became to popular, because for the most part it felt like a re skinned 1942, did u see the BF3 2143 Easter egg?

It definitely did not feel like a reskinned 1942.
At all.

[FatCandy]

It definitely did not feel like a reskinned 1942.
At all.

I'm not saying it did, but that's what people felt, which really sucks, because it was pretty good

[JHendy]

I'm not saying it did, but that's what people felt, which really sucks, because it was pretty good

A reskinned BF2 is what you mean, isn't it?

I completely disagree.

[Aurmanite]

I am not a troll I have played PlanetSide 1 for 6 years and absolutly love it. I just can't stand the dumbing down that is happening in PlanetSide 2!

And yet you sing the praises of Dust?

Argh I replied to the troll. Internet fail.

[TheMozFather]

Hold me back.

Hold me back.

[FatCandy]

guys before this thread shuts down watch this video with an open mind E3 2012 - Dust 514 Gameplay Demo - YouTube

[FPClark]

DUST is doing every thing right

*Whips out the troll food*

Here you go little guy.

*Pats the troll on the head*

[Baneblade]

CCP is going the right direction, except for the console only part. But they are going to redefine the future of MMORPGs.

[maradine]

I don't know how many times I have to say this but I am not a troll.

Then mayhaps you wish to reconsider the size and bright red font of your sig there, mate. :angel:

[captainkapautz]

that game never became to popular, because for the most part it felt like a re skinned 1942, did u see the BF3 2143 Easter egg?


Yeah, seen it.

10/10.
Will play.

But only after wasting several months on PS2.

[Hamma]

If Dust 514 was on a PC I would care about it. But it isn't so I haven't followed it at all and don't even think it's in the same league as PlanetSide 2.

[burnoutbob]

If Dust 514 was on a PC I would care about it. But it isn't so I haven't followed it at all and don't even think it's in the same league as PlanetSide 2.
^this exactly

and doesnt dust only have like 32 players? if so what makes it any better than say battlefield? i dont really get how its an mmo and not just a fps

[Baneblade]

I think you mean MMOFPS

No I don't. MMORPGs are going to be all inclusive once they get away from this WoW clone cliche.

[exLupo]

and doesnt dust only have like 32 players? if so what makes it any better than say battlefield?

Dust has a direct and real connection to EVE. Battlefield is just match after match and leaderboards. Looking at Dust and ignoring the whole EVE portion is a mistake, you're cutting off a large point of why the game exists. As an EVE player, I look forward to having Dust boots in my corporation. It'll add a whole greater level for us to control the resources of our enemies and, in that, to milk their sweet, sweet tears.

From someone looking purely at a number of guys in on one map and stopping there, it does look limited. However, for those of us looking in and seeing how these players will impact the greater EVE universe, it's clear that their game is massive in scope. Not the bullets and bodies but the ripples that extend beyond the battles.

I look forward to having boots in our corp, to negotiating merc contracts and to having to root out spies. For all of the discussion of spies in PS1, it's got -nothing- on the impact of spies in EVE. CCP announced today that they're adding a new role to the lighter Destroyer class hulls to enable planetary bombardment so that entire aspect will be more accessible than with just pricy battleship hulls and will tie it, physically, to the rest of the EVE universe. Units in space will fire on units on the ground. Units on the ground will provide fire support to capsuleers in space who come to the Dust fighters defense.

Choosing to ignore all of that doesn't make it go away. Dust isn't Dust. Dust is EVE.

[Pepsi]

As an EVE player, I look forward to having Dust boots in my corporation. It'll add a whole greater level for us to control the resources of our enemies and, in that, to milk their sweet, sweet tears.Whose tears exactly are we talking about? Don't make the console players cry too much, now...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=45mlVuLs_Nw

[Stew]

As an EVE player, I look forward to having Dust boots in my corporation. It'll add a whole greater level for us to control the resources of our enemies and, in that, to milk their sweet, sweet tears.

is EVE.

i AGREE WITH THIS Dust is a great addition to eve players dust mean real people and minnion for them

but for dust players the EVE existance is almost a gimmick and do not benefit thats much to dust players

thats said dust gameplay is below average as you can see from the video and the TTK feel bad and not rewarding at all also the ennemies (( 3d spotting )) alway on and do not need to be target make the game even more silly sincce they always know where you are and you always know where they are !

[Chronic]

DUST is doing every thing right,and once again I'm NOT a troll. Simply because I have an opinion that you dislike does not make me a troll! :rolleyes:

Your name and sig says it all. You're a troll.

Otherwise, the only things Planetside 2 and BF share are vehicles and capture points. The only thing it PS2 and CoD share is BLOODY SCREEN and iron sights.

You fail hard.

You're probably a pathetic PS1 veteran purist who wishes PS2 was a direct copy&paste with better graphics. Am I right? Is Planetside 2 too different for you?

[Chronic]

Eve as a stand-alone game I found boring as fuck.

Playing EVE is like paying to have a second job.

[captainkapautz]

Otherwise, the only things Planetside 2 and BF share are vehicles and capture points. The only thing it PS2 and CoD share is BLOODY SCREEN and iron sights.

Prepare to have your mind blown.

Ready?

BF has ironsights as well.

[exLupo]

Whose tears exactly are we talking about? Don't make the console players cry too much, now...

PC and Console alike. EVE player tears. Your tears. Hell, I'm using the tears in this thread to water my cherry tree outside.

Delicious.

@Chronic - EVE can be a job just like any other MMO. Having raided 5+ nights in EQ/WoW and spent 75% of my FFXI time farming cash to buy gear to grind xp the other 25% I can assure you, EVE isn't the only game full of mind numbing drudgery. Why do you think I'm excited about PS2? Drop-in/Drop-out action with community and character progression? Yes please!

[Chronic]

Prepare to have your mind blown.

Ready?

BF has ironsights as well.

Cod was the first to use iron sights.

[captainkapautz]

Cod was the first to use iron sights.

Didn't say it didn't.

[Chronic]

Didn't say it didn't.

What I was trying to say is that it's the only thing that PS2 truly takes from CoD.

I don't know any game before CoD2 that had "BLOODY SCREEN SO REAL"...

[Dreamcast]

I havnt seen much of dust 514 but it looks cool and I will play it since is free.


Only things I don't like is that so far their isn't any massive battles like in Planetside and is not an open world...seems like you fight in maps/instances.

Having said that, it sounds cool that your actions do effect the eve universe.


One thing the game concerns me however is how much will gear matter?......Seems like I can buy gear with in game earn money like Planetside which is cool....but since corporations seem to be very important...Is it going to be like the corporation backed dust 514 troopers are gonna shit on everybody else because they have good gear since the corporations support them?

IDK maybe I am wrong can some please tell me how it works?

[SixShooter]

I will at least try it out since it's free. I think that what they're doing with it as far as EVE goes is definitly a new concept that has not been seen before. With that being said, I will say that I plan to have the next few years of my life consumed by PS2 and there won't be room for much else (sorry to my wife and kids :cry:).

[The Degenatron]

guys before this thread shuts down watch this video with an open mind

OK, I did. Here's what I saw:

1. First 10 seconds spent telling people how to say the name. Listen, if you have to explain how to say the name to people - you instantly come off as a pretentious douche. It's the sort of thing Jeremy Clarkson would grade down a car for. I'm going to be SURE to call it "Five-Hundred and Fourteen" from now on.

2. The next minute and a half is spent talking about EVE, not Dust. Does't bode well when you want to start out talking about something else - specificly apsects of a game you aren't playing. Frankly, a bullshit cop-out is what they are going for here: "Oh it's 'massive' because we've tacked this instanced shooter onto the side of the completely different game and we pass money back and forth between them through a transaction data base." Sorry, that's lame, and an intentional obfuscation of the reality.

3. In this time, the game footage start rolling, and boy, is it bland looking. Grey, grey, and more grey. Oh! there's a hint of red lighting! Woooooow! Hints of red! Oh boy! A bright yellow container! Caution striping is SO beautiful! Watching this is as bland as eating a huge bowl of mashed potatos with no gravy. Or butter. Or salt.

4. Time stamp 1:52 - Percision zoom on a minigun. Really? REALLY?........really?

5. 2:22 - 2:25 - On boy, analogue stick control. I remember now how much I hated that in MAG.

6. 2:44 - The player bounces a grenade in the dirt at his feet towards the enemy like a rubber ball.

7. 2:50 - Hey look! A Warthog.

8. 4:00 - Autohealing? Did someone mention "dumbing down"? Maybe that's just a shield. Same thing though.

9. 4:00 - I'll also mention here that there is EVEN LESS color than before. This makes BF3 look like Milkdrop (http://www.google.com/search?q=milkdrop&hl=en&prmd=imvns&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ei=AFzbT9ikA8ji2QW_wfWrCQ&sqi=2&ved=0CEkQ_AUoAQ&biw=1664&bih=928#hl=en&tbm=isch&q=milkdrop+visualizer&revid=222755379&sa=X&ei=BFzbT-O4HqK82wW3jcnJCA&ved=0CBQQgxY&bav=on.2,or.r_gc.r_pw.r_qf.,cf.osb&fp=45f1929232a688aa&biw=1664&bih=928).

10. 4:20 - All that area marked in red: yea, that's where you CAN'T go. Like every other modern shooter, it's all just a backdrop. They might as well make it a 2d skybox like HL1. But in PS2 - those would be actually places you could go - climbing the mountains, traveling over land to the next base. In the PS2 live steams there was actually an instance where the player was being sniped from someone on the mountains in the background, almost a half mile away. No other game does that.

11. "The PC has always been the platform where innovations happen first." - He said it, not me. Ain't nothing changed but the time, baby. Sending game data to an external database is NOT an innovation - I don't care who plugged into the database on the other side.

12. 5:23 - Dropsuit Fitting - What's that down the left side? Are those...CLASSES. <gasp!> I THINK THEY ARE! There they go, dumbing down again!

13. 5:29 - Scout-Recon Class = Straight rip off of the styling of the Planetside Infiltrator. Planetside ONE that is. Wow, get your own ideas guys.

14. 5:40 - Market Screen - "Buy Aur". This smacks of World of Tanks, and not in a good way. WoT is thinly veiled Pay2Win. Everything is fine until you start getting about halfway up the upgrade progress tree and then you find you can't play with your big tank every round because you have to earn enough gold to repair it. People who spend money get to take out their big tanks over and over, and oh yea get to equip them with things like "Fire Suppression Systems" and "Gold Ammo" which give them a huge advantage in the game. Those who don't spend money are sent back down to the minor leagues to muck out enough cash to repair their good tank. Looks like this is the way Dust is going to be. Nothing like getting taken out of the fight because you didn't pay enough. Perhaps you can get corperate sponsorship to bankroll you...but how are you going to make the neccesary political connections to do that without having an EVE account? Gee, I guess you'll just be fodder. A loser made to lose so the Corps feel better about themselves. Casual play? That's for losers. Litterally.

15. 5:44 - Select "Shotgun" - take a nap. 15 second loading times between purchase menus. Geez, I hope you don't have a lot of shopping to do. A trip to Wal-mart sounds more fun.

16. 6:15 - "Battle Finder" aka "Match Maker". How quaint. In the preview pane: "It's grey."

17. 7:00 - The only thing that attaches Dust to EVE is an API Layer. Not "massive" in my book.

18. 9:45 - How much money did they just fly around in and blow up in 20 seconds? I have a suspicion the ground troops are gonna end up getting gouged.

19. 11:00 - Wow, look: he's already running over the same ol' ground. Granted they are probably only running one map for E3, but PS2 was only running one base and it was at least three times the size of this map they're playing on. The small fraction of the PS2 gamespace that was demo'd dwarfs this entire map. And I'm willing to bet that all of those "thousands of planets" are all gonna look amazing similar. If the EVE universe had 1000 planets (just a number I'm throwing out - he says EVE has "tens of thousands") and each planets has 24 hexes to control - then that should be 24000 unique maps, right? No two planets should look the same, right? What do you wanna bet they debut with 8 maps?

20. 11:08 - Crappy scope.

21. 11:40 - Not very impressive physics or particle effects on display in that crash.

22. 11:58 - "It's just like Battlefield 3, except with the additional burden of an economy heaped on your shoulders." So, don't die and don't lose because you'll go broke and then you don't get to have fun anymore.

23. 12:55 - Rotory chaingun overheats and locks up, becoming useless, and forces the soldier to resort to his side arm, and gets him killed. I PAID HOW MUCH FOR THIS???

24. 13:50 Your rocklet rifle (another gank from PS1) has too much crap on it. No, seriously. There is absolutely no reason to have all of that crap sticking off the weapon. This is a weapon designed by someone who is not a weapons designer. It's designed like Homer Simpson designs cars.

25. 15:00 - FINALLY, something I actually LIKE: "There are more skills than you'll ever be able to master. We expect you to specialize." This is something I can get behind. It's something that I was disappointed in when Higby talked about the cert system for PS2. I don't WANT to be able to get every cert - I want to be a specialist and to be KNOWN for being that specialist. However, the flip-side, the mentality that I understand, from the PS2 team is that certing and MASTERY are two different things. I may have all of the Air Cav certs and still get wrecked by someone who is a dedicated pilot. The PS2 mentality is to give you ALL of the options and let you find the ones that work best for you. That's not how I would do it, but it makes sense and I can live with it.

26. 15:40 - "Your home base". Which is in space. And yet is somehow immune to attack. Riiiiiiiiight.

27. 17:20 - "If your just someone who greifs people by dropping orbital bombardments on them...they'll fire back at you the next time YOUR IN TOWN" - Oh, this is going to end well. Your cunning plan, I don't think you've thought it all the way through. You're saying an EVE player can grief the shit out of an entire match and then fly away. <facepalm.jpg>

28. 18:10 - Closed Beta, Beta, Roll out...then join the economies. Wait, what?

29. 18:24 - "...Turn the dials so that a great handgun in Dust is not more expensive than a spaceship in EVE." - Wait, is it a player driven economy in EVE or not? Do the devs do price fixing or not? Wouldn't a truely free and real economy work that out itself?

30. 18:50 - Dust Vita app vs. PS2 Ipad app - Yea, good luck with that.

There you go. There's my open-minded take on Dust and how it stacks up to PS2.

[captainkapautz]

What I was trying to say is that it's the only thing that PS2 truly takes from CoD.

I don't know any game before CoD2 that had "BLOODY SCREEN SO REAL"...



Well, glad that PS2 doesn't have BLOODYSCREEN SO REAL, then.

The screen flashes red when your health is damaged, it's not marmalade, strawberry jam, fake blood, real blood OR paint in the middle of your screen.

It's your screenedge flashing red, which has been in games since, I dunno, forever.
IIRC it even was in PS1.

And will most likely be able to be toggled of in the options.

[dsi]

12. 5:23 - Dropsuit Fitting - What's that down the left side? Are those...CLASSES. <gasp!> I THINK THEY ARE! There they go, dumbing down again!

I absolutely love that the player made and player labeled fittings tricked you like that, says a lot about how open Eve is.

[Malachi]

SOE could certainly learn a thing or two about trailers from CCP, that's for sure. I've more or less given up on Eve cause it just bores me to death, but the trailers are some of the best in the biz.

[ChipMHazard]

If it's not on the PC I'm not really interested in it. Also I'm looking forward to a game where hundreds of players are going to be battling each other in a single area on a seamless and persistent continent. I'm not really looking forward to a game that offers 24v24 matches.
I'm sure that PS3 players will be happy with Dust and it's interaction with Eve might be interesting, not really sure about the logic with choosing the PS3 over the PC as a platform though.

[erunion]

It's designed like Homer Simpson designs cars.



I lol'ed

[The Degenatron]

I absolutely love that the player made and player labeled fittings tricked you like that, says a lot about how open Eve is.

I'm gonna call bullshit on that statement until I see a screenshot of a blank load-out screen.

The classes shown are "Logistics" "Heavy" "Assault" and "Scout". It obviously gives you a place to add an additional title - well whoopty friggin' do. You can SEE that "Logistics" is repeated. Obviously the game is inserting the default class title.

Those classes define your carry capacities, base armor, and availible customizations - JUST LIKE PS2. The EXACT thing that the trolls are complaining about.

All you have to do is look at the screen to see that. Watch him page through the CLASSES to see the differences between the default attributes.

Now, are you being willfully disingenuous or just ignorant?

Also, I love the fact that out of my entire commentary you found just ONE thing to pick on. I'll assume that means you completely agree with everything else I said.

[maradine]

"Logistics" "Heavy" "Assault" and "Scout" are classes of dropsuit. There are many individual dropsuits within each of those categories, of varying levels of capability, with varying slot loadouts. The most relevant factor for each, for the purposes of this conversation, is the size class of the weapons and the number of modules that each of these equip.

You could argue that these are "classes" ala PS2, or armors ala PS1, with equal accuracy. This is a really silly distinction to argue over.

[Zulthus]

From what I've seen so far, it's a no brainer, PS2 will absolutely obliterate DUST, in every aspect.

[Phellix]

PlanetSide 2 has little to no depth while DUST has tons of depth. So how can you say PlanetSide 2 is better?

go away troll

[maradine]

PlanetSide 2 has little to no depth while DUST has tons of depth. So how can you say PlanetSide 2 is better?

Like this. Based on:


My 70M SP EVE main.
My day 1 DUST514 Beta access.


=and=


Alpha videos of Planetside 2.


I am more excited about PS2.

Was that so hard? Honestly, you're entitled to your opinion, but your trollishness is just . . . droll.

[maradine]

Do you want to start with your sig, or what? I'm going to make the considerable leap that you know what a troll is.

[Aurmanite]

It's my opinion that PlanetSide 2 will be a flop, and that DUST 514 will be amazing I'm not forcing it on anybody. And I don't know how many times I have to say this but PlanetSide 2 lacks depth it's just so shallow while DUST is a engaging and deep experience! Also what makes you think I'm a troll,because I have an opinion that differs from yours?

"Flop"
"Depth"
"Engaging"
"Shallow"

These are words that you type so it looks like you're saying something of value. You aren't.

If you were an actual poster and decent human being, you wouldn't just repeat the same buzzwords over and over in post after post containing 0 substance.

Nearly everything about Planetside 2 is more complex than the original. People who disagree can never say why. They, like you, keep repeating the same meaningless tripe.

The major difference between them and you, is that they don't realize they're doing it.

[Goku]

Guys stop this back and forth. There maybe a troll, but don't take the bait. Otherwise this thread will be closed.

[Kevin D Lee]

I am currently a Beta Tester for DUST 514 on the PS3. My thoughts is regards to DUST 514 vs PS2?

#1. It pains me that DUST514 is on a console, like others have said at this point due to that fact it's like comparing apples to oranges.

DUST 514 is amazing regardless of CPP's poor choice of hardware.

To think they pulled off a console game with 200+ people in one battle WITH vehicles is nothing short of a miracle. Then consider that EVE players can directly affect the battle from within their game... it's mind blowing in scope and for the most part is coming together nicely.

Long story short give credit where credit is due. Though personally I feel if DUST 514 would have been a PC title it could have stood a chance at beating PS2.

#2. They are both going to be FTP... so whoever has the least play-to-win items for sale will win in my mind. Also being FTP there is no reason not to play both.

Don't compare games that are not competing on the same platform. Even if DUST 514 gets a port over to the PC it will always be seen as a console port.

[The Degenatron]

So how can you say PlanetSide 2 is better?

See my commentary on the Dust E3 video (http://www.planetside-universe.com/showpost.php?p=736204&postcount=199). I broke it down rather thoroughly.

You know, I get that PS2 isn't for everybody. You're not happy with it, and I'm ok with that.

What I don't get is why you come here at all. What drives you to log into these forums? When you sit down at your computer, you have a choice: You can log onto the the Dust Forums and talk about how great Dust is with other people who LOVE Dust, or you can come here and trash talk PS2. Why?

From everything I've seen about Dust, I don't like it. That doesn't make me wanna go to the Dust forums and bad mouth it.

At the rate you're going you will have no impact on the developement of PS2, nor covince anyone here to come play your game, so what is your goal?

It seems you've found something that makes you happy and that you are excited about. I would encourage you to go enjoy that thing and be happy.

Have a nice life.

[Kevin D Lee]

Thanks for the input brother!

I should add that at this moment in time I am more excited for PS2 without having played it.

[Zulthus]

Last I heard in January DUST 514 was limited to 48 players in a battle. Was that limit raised?

[erunion]

To think they pulled off a console game with 200+ people in one battle WITH vehicles

no. 48 people per battle.

[exLupo]

OK, I did. Here's what I saw:

A lovely, time-stamped example of confirmation bias.

I'm gonna call bullshit on that statement until I see a screenshot of a blank load-out screen.

I'll stay within the bounds of the Dust NDA to which I agreed and say that you should get a beta account and see whether or not calling someone else out when you have no first-hand information is the wisest course of action.

None of the beta testers will tell you exactly how you're wrong because that would be breaching NDA.

---

Hubris and flag waving gets my goat. :(

[hypehype]

It's my opinion that PlanetSide 2 will be a flop, and that DUST 514 will be amazing I'm not forcing it on anybody. And I don't know how many times I have to say this but PlanetSide 2 lacks depth it's just so shallow while DUST is a engaging and deep experience! Also what makes you think I'm a troll,because I have an opinion that differs from yours?

There is only so much persistence you can put in an FPS before it becomes a RPG. I read somewhere else in this thread about PS2 only having base capture back and forth, well if you look at Dust 514 as a hole that is practically the same thing they are doing.

You talk about Dust having depth, but you can only experience the depth of the game if you play EVE.

i AGREE WITH THIS Dust is a great addition to eve players dust mean real people and minnion for them

but for dust players the EVE existance is almost a gimmick and do not benefit thats much to dust players

thats said dust gameplay is below average as you can see from the video and the TTK feel bad and not rewarding at all also the ennemies (( 3d spotting )) alway on and do not need to be target make the game even more silly sincce they always know where you are and you always know where they are !

Good job breaking the NDA, Why dont you logon to the Dust forums and tell them the concerns you have with the game, instead of creating bitch threads across the internet.

[MrTinkles]

To think they pulled off a console game with 200+ people in one battle WITH vehicles is nothing short of a miracle.

Did they?

I thought it was 48......

[MrTinkles]

no. 48 people per battle.

Oops...missed that...

Thought 200+ was just nonsense.... :)

[Stew]

Oops...missed that...

Thought 200+ was just nonsense.... :)

MAG as 256 players with vehicules on Ps3 and it is a awesome game

[Mastachief]

MAG as 256 players with vehicules on Ps3 and it is a awesome game

But just like dust Mag never had them fighting in the same battles........ when they forced it, it all went to shit.

Why this thread is still on going for a sub par console game i do not know.

[Phellix]

But just like dust Mag never had them fighting in the same battles........ when they forced it, it all went to shit.

Why this thread is still on going for a sub par console game i do not know.

because

Stew.

[theBreadSultan]

It Cracks me up that there is this whole vibe of anger - They are both just games.

I like the look of PS2, and i will play it.
However I must admit that while PS2 does many things better than Dust - Dust would be something with a greater feeling of variety and longevity than PS2.

In planetside 2 there will be limited types of battle for me to engage in.
And thats fine.

From what i can see
either lot's of players to kill and deaths, or less (reduced down to it's simplest terms)

There is resource tactics etc. But this is going to represent a gradual change, if any.

In Dust i can see many types of game type to play because of the nature of it's tie in with eve - and the "mercenary" nature of the player.

example.
play for a rich powerful corp in a strategically important Location - and you can order as many heavy units and you get the best weapons. Money is no object.
You outclass and out gun your opponents who have inferior tech.
You dominate the opponent.

next up. Play for a rich corp against another rich corp. money no object for both sides.

or perhaps.
You get a contract with a small mining corp in an outlying region.
You are vastly out gunned by the enemy.
To make matters worse the ship that was supplying orbital bombarded gets taken out halfway through the match.
you are forced to play guerilla tactics against a superior force.

in terms of progression.
Perhaps you start out in a relatively poor corp. But as you do better they do better. you go from outside rebel, to tech heavy commando.

Also a final thing i would say in CCP's / Dust favour.

It will be A lot easier to turn Dust into a big persistent map - set up,
Than to attach a space thing onto planetside.

I won't be playing Dust because it's a PS3 exclusive. But I think anyone that really slates it must be a bit of a fanboy for PS2 (and I'm not saying that like it's a bad thing btw)

I think the gamble and ethos of CCP has really been special though.

Lets face it, we can all predict the game play and player numbers of PS2 1 year after release.

But with Dust, It's either going to be the biggest most epic shooter we have ever seen,
Or it will be a complete failure

[Stew]

But just like dust Mag never had them fighting in the same battles........ when they forced it, it all went to shit.

Why this thread is still on going for a sub par console game i do not know.

Whats ? never play in the same battle ? whats you mean ? the all 256 player where not in the same battle ?

yes they are ! the game start with 4 plattoon and end up around 8 capture point but all 4 platton can reinforce 1 or 2 single letters if its the only ones they need also the APC squad are in kinda equivalent of the sunderer in planetside 2 a shielded vehicules that serve as a respawn for this particular squad and you have a total of 8 apc squad in the atackers team

All 256 players are free to go where they want if 1 plattoon break the frontline bunkers first they cant go open the others front lines back stabing
them etc..

also as long as the AA batteries are down or for defenser the motar baterie are up each plattoon can help eachothers etc...

So i dont know whats u just said

MAG - Domination Mode - YouTube

this will maybe help but they do not explain all the alternative objective like AA batteries .. Bunkers mortar batteries motor pools and sensor that can be destroy or repair depending on your need to gain tactical advantage on the field

[Dairian]

Can someone tell me why this thread continues? They are not similar in any way. Other than they are FPS. Dusk is not an MMO! It does not use a new engine! It was built for a console not a PC! Its instant based not open world! This thread keeps dragging on and on and on........ I know someone is going to pick what I have said apart to try to make themselves feel right, but you know deep down comparing them is comparing apples to oranges. And when you pick this apart with a microscope I am not going to reply and try to argue with you.

Even Stew keep saying how bad Dusk is at the moment. I am not sure why this thread continues.

[Nasher]

Dust was doomed to fail the moment they decided it would be console only.

Eve is a PC only game, yet the FPS game that links in to it is console only. Most console gamers won't have a clue what Eve is, or care. If I was an Eve player I certainly would not buy a PS3 just to play it when I could just play planetside instead, which is the better game.