I would like to know What a planetside players do not want to copy and paste of Ps1 ?

[Stew]

I asking this questions since a fews months who have play planetside 1 like me back in the day and who can admit all the bad gameplay mechanics of planetside 1 ? It seams on this forums most people who claim to be ps1 vets did not lisen the the dev when they first annonce planetside 2 !

They have states the gameplay will be nowere near planetside 1 they also have implemented a class systhem ,they have change the gameplay mechanics, they have implemented modern shooter mechanics with sigth view etc.. they also have state planetside 2 will be more .... a way more fast pace with a low ttk etc..etc..etc..

I would like to know who in here is a planetside 1 vets and who love and admire the SOE dev team for whats they have planned for planetside and How better the fast pace combat will be with low ttk with class systhem to balanced thing out is great !

Where are the ps1 vets who love modern shooters mechanics ?

because ps1 isnt anywhere near ps2

they have keep the most important feature and have implemented the best shooter ans solid shooter mechanics out there !

SO good job SOE and i need to say this if you want ps2 to be a copy and paste of ps1 you will certainly and sadly hate ps2 !

Asking for minor change and for weapons balance is a thing but asking to dramatically or compleatly change the pace of the game is silly in my opinion !

[SKYeXile]

Are the choices only PS1 or "modern shooter?(aka: BF/cod" seems rather poor choices to me.

[Stew]

Are the choices only PS1 or "modern shooter?(aka: BF/cod" seems rather poor choices to me.

Planetside is designed from the ground up to be a modern shooter on the gameplay mechanics level !

It as been states long time ago !

SO i would like to know whos do not want to ruins it to make a kinda of bad blend of modern shooter emchanics and old game bad mechanics

at least total biscuit think the same as me ps1 shooter mechanics was not good even for a 2003 game but the scales the game itself wss pretty good NOt the ttk not the shooter mechnics

[Dart]

Are the choices only PS1 or "modern shooter?(aka: BF/cod" seems rather poor choices to me.

Can you translate that first post for me? I'm struggling....

[EVILoHOMER]

I've read that title over and over and it doesn't make sense.

That said Planetside is horrible to play now, it's too dated and isn't any fun and doesn't even feel like much of a shooter. When it came out in 2003 it felt quite dated as it is, however we let a lot of things slide because an FPS of that scale had never been done before and it was amazing.

I personally love FPS games like Battlefield 3 and they need to make the shooting feel like that game. They need modern mechanics like Squad spawn, small amounts of regen health and stuff like spotting. These are all improvements to the gameplay and I myself love kill cams like the one in COD, there is nothing more satisfying that dying and seeing how they killed you. It gives you the feed back to get better, it isn't about giving away the enemy position.

When the game goes to beta I just hope there aren't a lot of moaners that get SOE to turn Planetside 2 into some underground FPS that wont be a hit. SOE need a hit with this game so they need to find the middle ground where everyone can be happy. Personally I think there should be different implants like what Planetside had to do this like you can have Regen health but less of it or you can have an implant to disable the enemy from seeing your kill cam etc etc.

[SKYeXile]

Can you translate that first post for me? I'm struggling....

i don't know, something about that PS2 sounds awesome, then there was some gagging, he then asks if there is any other like minded individuals who want to join him. later he asks would prefer PS1 mechanics over PS2 modern shooter mechanics.

Also total biscuit? naming somebody with more posts than kills? yea in planetside thats typically frowned upon, if you don't have the experience, don't fucking comment on shit you don't understand.

[Dart]

Also total biscuit? naming somebody with more posts than kills? yea in planetside thats typically frowned upon, if you don't have the experience, don't fucking comment on shit you don't understand.

Jeez exile, would you get off that damn fence and tell us what you REALLY think?

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

[Stew]

Jeez exile, would you get off that damn fence and tell us what you REALLY think?

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

Actually i would like to know who in here as ps1 player do not want a copyy and past of ps1

i already have heard all the ps1 copy and paste begging for the last 4 months

back in the day ive ask if ps1 actual players were going to hate on the game because it was not going to be a copy and paste of planetside one

i got as a answer we are not hermite who never played other shooter because we have play planetside 1

but after GDC i saw the compleate opposite most of the time ! Please ps1 clone ps2 is to much a bf clone wich is wrong anyway lol

[SKYeXile]

Jeez exile, would you get off that damn fence and tell us what you REALLY think?

:lol::lol::lol::lol::lol:

shutup, i dont wanna listen to you fools no more, gonna go roll around Easimir (THE CLIFF ICE CONTINENT) in the 4th seat of a prowler with its 20mm, bitches.

[SideOfBeef]

Also total biscuit? naming somebody with more posts than kills? yea in planetside thats typically frowned upon, if you don't have the experience, don't fucking comment on shit you don't understand.

Buddy, if you have a problem with what somebody says, then explain why they're wrong. These personal attacks are meaningless, and the sort of elitist crap that could kill this game. If you think your better than someone, prove it with a well-reasoned argument and control your temper.

[Dart]

Actually i would like to know who in here as ps1 player do not want a copyy and past of ps1

i already have heard all the ps1 copy and paste begging for the last 4 months

back in the day ive ask if ps1 actual players were going to hate on the game because it was not going to be a copy and paste of planetside one

i got as a answer we are not hermite who never played other shooter because we have play planetside 1

but after GDC i saw the compleate opposite most of the time ! Please ps1 clone ps2 is to much a bf clone wich is wrong anyway lol

I think your opinion is fairly clear. I believe exile was doubting the depth of your understanding. Having (just about) read the above post, I'm inclined to agree with him.

In large I think the PS community has been very receptive. There are some aspects they're not happy with (quick knives, auto-sprint maxes, insta-gib grenades etc) but I think those objections are based on playing experience and balance concerns rather than prejudice. We'll find out in beta tho!

[EVILoHOMER]

I personally think TB did a better job advertising the game than SOE has so far with their poorly edited trailers. Every site you go to and they're talking about Planetside 2, they always bring up the poor trailers and say SOE's trailers are poor across the board.

They need to work on them.

[Dart]

Buddy, if you have a problem with what somebody says, then explain why they're wrong. These personal attacks are meaningless, and the sort of elitist crap that could kill this game. If you think your better than someone, prove it with a well-reasoned argument and control your temper.

I'm not sure it is fair to categorize people who're concerned that testers might not have played them game extensively as elitist...

I think many people would like to see some experienced players involved in the process. In fact I'd say that ostracizing such players - and their wealth of knowledge - would be a massive mistake, both on the part of the community and the devs.

[SKYeXile]

Buddy, if you have a problem with what somebody says, then explain why they're wrong. These personal attacks are meaningless, and the sort of elitist crap that could kill this game. If you think your better than someone, prove it with a well-reasoned argument and control your temper.

Prove I'm better than somebody?

The correct wording would have been: If you believe you are right, prove it with a well reasoned argument

As for if im better than somebody? answers is in the sig, buddy, im SKYeXile, Future Crew.

[Pella]

shutup, i dont wanna listen to you fools no more, gonna go roll around Easimir (THE CLIFF ICE CONTINENT) in the 4th seat of a prowler with its 20mm, bitches.


Giving it the Barry Mcwiggan (Big one).

[megamold]

Actually i would like to know who in here as ps1 player do not want a copyy and past of ps1

i already have heard all the ps1 copy and paste begging for the last 4 months

back in the day ive ask if ps1 actual players were going to hate on the game because it was not going to be a copy and paste of planetside one

i got as a answer we are not hermite who never played other shooter because we have play planetside 1

but after GDC i saw the compleate opposite most of the time ! Please ps1 clone ps2 is to much a bf clone wich is wrong anyway lol

i am a ps1 vet, and i do not want a copy/paste of it for ps2
ps1 died a slow and aweful death, currently hovering somewhere in between potted plant and purgatory.
i would love to see ps2 succeed and have a long and active life and copy/pasting ps1 doesnt accomplish that in any way.

[Pella]

Prove I'm better than somebody?

The correct wording would have been: If you believe you are right, prove it with a well reasoned argument

As for if im better than somebody? answers is in the sig, buddy, im SKYeXile, Future Crew.

Honestly this made me laugh...

Im who? at?

[KiddParK]

It was never about 'the mechanics'. I'm sure I'm not the only one here who counts the people he played with in PS as real life friends just as assuredly as workmates or bowling buddies (yes i bowl sometimes... I carry a big heavy ball in an ugly purse, so what)

I was a huge... i will add all caps to that to emphasis.. HUGE Ghost Recon fan, and when i heard they were making GRAW a lot of us were excited because it was going to be all new looking and have better mechanics and updated, and all sorts of shit. And when it was done, and it came out, it DID have all that, but it didn't have the most important thing...

it wasn't Ghost Recon Anymore.. they upgraded the hell out of it till it wasn't the game I loved. Console people freaking LOVED the thing, but PC.. feh.

my point? (yes i have one, sorta) IF they offered me up flat out Planetside I, updating ONLY the look of the game and adding 2k players per server and that was it? That was all they did? (and lose BFR's, seriously) oh im SO still in it's not even funny.

Make it good, but don't make it NEW COKE. please.

[fod]

ps2 needs to be inbetween what ps1 was and what say bf3/cod/moh/crysis 2 is
i DONT want to see a bf3/cod/moh/crysis 2 game with 2000 players and a big map

although if they "did" copy ps1 and just updated it i would still play the hell out of it

[SKYeXile]

I'm not sure it is fair to categorize people who're concerned that testers might not have played them game extensively as elitist...

I think many people would like to see some experienced players involved in the process. In fact I'd say that ostracizing such players - and their wealth of knowledge - would be a massive mistake, both on the part of the community and the devs.

Thats not really my concern, TB is known in PS1 for attempting to lobotomise the game, he has over 10000 posts, with 200 threads created, most of them are pretaining to nerfing something or changing this. He got some of them through to, didn't stick around watch the turd cook in the sun though, game became crap, so he was out, yo!

And im not just talking about surge nerf, that was broken, but i dont know about going out of my way making videos about it, spreading alot of BS about it saying its amplified like heaps in a real environment...discounting the fact he's shooting...? at a agile surging with his weapon holstered while deliberately missing shots because he's holding down the fucking trigger and not even aiming.

[SKYeXile]

Honestly this made me laugh...

Im who? at?

please direct all further enquiries to: [email protected] I can handle most matters, but if your clan would like to become a vassal, i will have to direct it to Shock.

[Crator]

I personally think TB did a better job advertising the game than SOE has so far with their poorly edited trailers. Every site you go to and they're talking about Planetside 2, they always bring up the poor trailers and say SOE's trailers are poor across the board.

They need to work on them.

I agree, however most games nowadays do cinematic trailers then put in some crappy in-game game play video... I would love to see a great in-game game play trailer from SOE for PS2! It would require some people with good cinematography skills and in-game camera tools but it could be done.

[Pella]

please direct all further enquiries to: [email protected] I can handle most matters, but if your clan would like to become a vassal, i will have to direct it to Shock.

Awesome. Honestly you do no favors for your "Clan". Pretending to be elitist and holding onto 1 accolade from 2006 on LOLMarkov server.

What else has your crew achieved in the fps community thats so elite we have to fear you.

[SKYeXile]

Awesome. Honestly you do no favors for your "Clan". Pretending to be elitist and holding onto 1 accolade from 2006 on LOLMarkov server.

What else has your crew achieved in the fps community thats so elite we have to fear you.

We troll idiots, daily, who take the shit we post seriously.

[dyslecix]

I am asking these questions since a few people who play planetside 1 like me back in the day and who can admit all the bad gameplay mechanics of planetside 1 ? It seems on these forums most people who claim to be ps1 vets did not listen the the devs when they first announced planetside 2 !

They have stated the gameplay will be nowhere near planetside 1 they also have implemented a class system ,they have changed the gameplay mechanics, implemented modern shooter mechanics with ADS view etc.. they also have stated planetside 2 will be more fast paced with a low ttk etc..etc..etc..

I would like to know who in here is a planetside 1 vet and who loves and admires the SOE dev team for what they have planned for planetside and How much better the fast pace combat will be with low ttk with class system to balance things out is great !

Where are the ps1 vets who love modern shooter mechanics ?

because ps1 isnt anywhere near ps2

they have kept the most important feature and have implemented the best shooter mechanics out there !

SO good job SOE, and i need to say this if you want ps2 to be a copy and paste of ps1 you will certainly and sadly hate ps2 !

Asking for minor changes and for weapon balance is one thing but asking to dramatically or completely change the pace of the game is silly in my opinion !

GRADE: 30 -- F-
But I agree with your post, SOE has to make money so they HAVE to implement modern day shooter mechanics, sadly :[

Planetside is designed from the ground up to have modern shooter gameplay mechanics !

It as been stated a long time ago !

SO i would like to know who does not want to ruin it to make a bad blend of modern shooter mechanics and bad out-dated game mechanics

at least total biscuit thinks the same as me; ps1 shooter mechanics were not good, even for a 2003 game, but the scale of the game itself was pretty good, but not the ttk and the shooter mechanics

You have a point, but I still like the older mechanics, and I think they don't have to change the pace/mechanics COMPLETELY, as they have done. There are some bad mechanics though, but lowering the TTK and integrating other modern day mechanics is not a must. Things such as the inventory system were very unique to planetside and that is what made it stand out from other games, and I will miss them :[

Actually, i would like to know who in here is a ps1 player that does not want a copy paste of planetside 1.

i already have heard all the ps1 copy and paste begging for the last 4 months

back in the day, I asked if ps1 players were going to hate on the game because it was not going to be a copy and paste of planetside one

i got as a answer we are not hermite who never played other shooter because we have play planetside 1 (NOT EVEN GOD CAN TRANSLATE THIS)

but after GDC i saw the complete opposite most of the time ! Please make a ps1 clone; ps2 is too much of a bf clone.l

Interesting.

[Pella]

We troll idiots, daily, who take the shit we post seriously.

Calm down dear. I see you couldn't answer my question. Obviously there is no future.

[Daffan]

Changing lanes;

I like PS1 Vehicle Animations and Inventory System

brawwwwwwwwwp brawwwwwwwp

[SKYeXile]

Calm down dear. I see you couldn't answer my question. Obviously there is no future.

History has a habit of repeating itself, will you be nowhere to be found again when it comes to competition? Not that there will be any with people like you helping to make this another tactical shooter clone. anyway, feel free to look us up again on live, we'll be blanketing the leader board, again.

[wraithverge]

back to the original point, I think those people who approve of the changes and don't want a direct copy of ps1 are reserving judgement and the silent majority. but maybe I'm just projecting my own opinion.

[Brusi]

This sounds about right ^

I just want to add that i understand all the anger in this thread...

Reading Stew's post (or trying to) made me fucking angry too.

[MrMorton]

Actually i would like to know who in here as ps1 player do not want a copyy and past of ps1

i already have heard all the ps1 copy and paste begging for the last 4 months

back in the day ive ask if ps1 actual players were going to hate on the game because it was not going to be a copy and paste of planetside one

i got as a answer we are not hermite who never played other shooter because we have play planetside 1

but after GDC i saw the compleate opposite most of the time ! Please ps1 clone ps2 is to much a bf clone wich is wrong anyway lol

I don't understand the bolded parts........

so either this is a very sophisticated troll ensnaring wary forum goers to make a post saying "wtf"

or this person just speaks very poor english and thinks the ps1 vets want a clone of ps2.........

if the latter I would suggest actually looking at any reactions to ps2 on the forum? i guess?

[dyslecix]

I don't understand the bolded parts........

so either this is a very sophisticated troll ensnaring wary forum goers to make a post saying "wtf"

or this person just speaks very poor english and thinks the ps1 vets want a clone of ps2.........

if the latter I would suggest actually looking at any reactions to ps2 on the forum? i guess?

Read my post, I used Google Translate from idiot to english, you should be able to understand it.

[FuzzyandBlue]

I am not a PS1 vet but have been playing FPSs' for a long time. I really don't understand the hate for Modern shooter mechanics. I went and watched some PS1 videos and live streams to get a look at the game, and frankly it looked awful even by 2003 standards.

There were a lot of amazing and genre defining games that came around the same time as PS1. Halo, Half Life and Call of Duty (the first one) are good examples. All of these games are still popular today.

Now I'm not saying that PS1 was a bad game, again never played it, but I can say for sure that an hd remake of PS1 would flop horribly. Not because every one wants easy games today, so devs have to take the skill out of games. But because the mechanics used in PS1, for the most part, are outdated and clumsy.

I'm way excited about this game and how its looking even in its current state.

Hope to see you on the battlefield. NC for life.

[Gandhi]

Now I'm not saying that PS1 was a bad game, again never played it, but I can say for sure that an hd remake of PS1 would flop horribly.
Everyone on this board agrees with you. Stew's post was aimed at a fictional group of people that he made up to have something to argue about, I believe they call that a straw man.

[QuantumMechanic]

I am a PS1 vet since release day. And I just re-subscribed (yet again) a few weeks ago and am having lots of fun.

I am also quite looking forward to many of the new things and changes that are in PS2. You won't know if it's fun or not until you try it.

Doesn't Stew basically create this same thread every week? I can't tell what's different about this one (assuming there is a diffference).

[GhettoPrince]

Yeah, exactly, anyone who wants to see why Planetside 2 is not a graphics updated remake of Planetside, just watch the streams for 2 minutes. It was amazing for its time, but it's painfully awful by any modern standard.

[BattsTR]

Thats not really my concern, TB is known in PS1 for attempting to lobotomise the game, he has over 10000 posts, with 200 threads created, most of them are pretaining to nerfing something or changing this. He got some of them through to, didn't stick around watch the turd cook in the sun though, game became crap, so he was out, yo!

And im not just talking about surge nerf, that was broken, but i dont know about going out of my way making videos about it, spreading alot of BS about it saying its amplified like heaps in a real environment...discounting the fact he's shooting...? at a agile surging with his weapon holstered while deliberately missing shots because he's holding down the fucking trigger and not even aiming.


I have a similar opinion. I remember the constant whining by many players about some of the truly fun things Planetside had to offer. It would pain me to know that some of those same 5 deaths for every 1 kill people could have substantial input in the new game. Surge specifically was broken, with the warping and all, buuut it really was simple as shooting the target, whether it be in front of you or touching the ceiling. Even though I got my ass handed to me early on in that game I got better, I didn't see the need to cry about it like many people do. These are the same people who whine about getting skeeter farmed yet they are running across a forest with zero air cover and no teammates.

[MrBloodworth]

I really don't understand the hate for Modern shooter mechanics.

Its not the modern shooter mechanics that are the issue.

The the lack of the War game aspects, and degradation of team play requirements.

People keep using "modern shooter" as a hand wave.

[Wahooo]

How is it in all the threads like this that:

"Well I never played but saw some videos and it looks bad"

always gets posted like it is somehow a valid argument?

[Chronic]

I've read that title over and over and it doesn't make sense.


Are there any PS1 vets in the forum who don't wan't a direct copy&paste of PS1? Are there any PS1 vets happy with the way PS2 is turning out?

Iron sights and BLOODY SCREEN SO REAL are the only things I see related CoD... Capture points and vehicles are the only things I see related to BF...

Gamers these days are suffering from what I call "CoDification phobia".

[GreatMazinkaise]

They just need a new phrase to toss out rather than BF3 or CoD... my suggestion is Generic Modern Shooter, which covers all the blandness that saturates the current market.

We do not want a copypasta Planetside 1, but we don't want Generic Modern Shooter: MMO Edition either... this includes a preference for mechanics that encourage dueling over ganking and a general preference for macro level strategy meaning something.

GMS mechanics are not good because they're newer, they're just the only thing that anyone has access to.

[FuzzyandBlue]

People hate it because it's become almost a monopoly thanks to the expansion of the console market. Everyone's doing the same, sticking to the same formula because it's popular. For developers it's a safe bet; Try something new and it might fail, or stick with what everyone's familiar with, and at best be called unoriginal.

It's one of those things holding back the evolution of PC gaming in particular, which could have been miles further years ago.

Good point this is something that drives me nuts. Hadn't really thought of it in this context though.

[ArmedZealot]

What the hell is this thread?

[wasdie]

Stop trying to make the world so black and white. You can have a combination of the gameplay found in Planetside with modern mechanics.

[SUBARU]

Things I would like copied but not just pasted

1.Some kind of walls around all bases.Why would somebody build a base that needs to be defended and doesnt use walls???
2.How about some doors,not doorways.Really,how is a team going to defend a control point ,when all the attackers have to do is throw some granades in
3. Slower TTK. fast TTK = who ever gets the drop on someone,they will win that fight. Slower TTK better skilled player has a good chance to win if somenoe gets the drop on him. Skill should matter. I died lots of time in PS1 to better skilled players. Even when I shot first and was behind them. Fast TTK I would have smoked him.
4 Enter /Exit anmation. All of the PS1 player made movies would have been less enjoyable if it didnt have the anmation.


I like all the DEVs and im happy they are making PS2,But when they say Bigger Is Better.They dont really mean it the way we hear it.
With no lattice system ,the figths wont be as big as we think.They will be spread out.There was a reason the lattice was put in PS1and a reason why they took it out for PS2. (I dont know if this is good or bad)
If i remember my PS1 history the lattice system was a player idea

P.s Im sure i will like the game as long as I get to kill some VS,and TR :groovy:

[GuyFawkes]

What the hell is this thread?

I think its about pancakes:rolleyes:

[Ghoest9]

I read the whole first page of this thread and I can not tell wtf it is about.

How can the OP restate that gibberish twice and still manage to make it a muddled mess.

[TheInferno]

I think its about pancakes:rolleyes:

What happened to that thread with "Herp" "Derp" and "Pancakes" as options in a poll? That was awesome.

On-topic, I never played Planetside. (I swear to god I have said that in over 50% of my posts, maybe I should just sig "DISCLAIMER: Did not play Planetside) Here's my opinion, as a non-Planetside player.

I don't want a copy and paste of Planetside 1. I don't believe anyone does. If they did, they wouldn't give a damn about Planetside 2 because they'd still be playing Planetside 1.

I also don't want a copy and paste of a modern shooter. Take what would make the game better, don't take stuff that would drag the game down.

I'm glad they've got the shooting mechanics of a modern shooter, because I really enjoy them (2142 is one of my favorite games, and it has similar shooting to this game from what I've seen). That doesn't mean we need everything from a modern shooter, though, because some things in modern shooters wouldn't really work that well in Planetside IMO.

TL;DR: No one want's a copy and paste of Planetside 1. No one wants Call Of Battlefield Online, either. We want a damn fun Planetside game with modern elements. Or at least, I do.

[Ghoest9]

Stew = Butterbatter ??

[SgtMAD]

Thats not really my concern, TB is known in PS1 for attempting to lobotomise the game, he has over 10000 posts, with 200 threads created, most of them are pretaining to nerfing something or changing this. He got some of them through to, didn't stick around watch the turd cook in the sun though, game became crap, so he was out, yo!

And im not just talking about surge nerf, that was broken, but i dont know about going out of my way making videos about it, spreading alot of BS about it saying its amplified like heaps in a real environment...discounting the fact he's shooting...? at a agile surging with his weapon holstered while deliberately missing shots because he's holding down the fucking trigger and not even aiming.

this is the crap i was talking about a month ago when I posted about it, the guy cried about every damn thing you can think of and we argued the whole time that he was wrong,so when TB and all the other whiners got their way, the game keep sinking and then I get that PM I posted from TB telling me that we were right about what would happen, this after he cranked out all the shit listed above(10k posts,etc..).

and don't think for a damn minute i don't recognize a bunch of the other whiners that are posting on PSU,these ppl will cry about nerfing everything that kills them.

[BattsTR]

this is the crap i was talking about a month ago when I posted about it, the guy cried about every damn thing you can think of and we argued the whole time that he was wrong,so when TB and all the other whiners got their way, the game keep sinking and then I get that PM I posted from TB telling me that we were right about what would happen, this after he cranked out all the shit listed above(10k posts,etc..).

and don't think for a damn minute i don't recognize a bunch of the other whiners that are posting on PSU,these ppl will cry about nerfing everything that kills them.

Isn't it amazing how easily you can spot those people? I can just picture that PS1 general discussion board on the old forums in my head....uhhg.

[Stew]

ps2 needs to be inbetween what ps1 was and what say bf3/cod/moh/crysis 2 is
i DONT want to see a bf3/cod/moh/crysis 2 game with 2000 players and a big map

although if they "did" copy ps1 and just updated it i would still play the hell out of it

On this i have to say , Bf3 crysis and cod are all different games , different pace different gameplay option different balistic nowhere near each others

Any experience gamers will claim the same

I dont like cod i found this franchise noob friendly the hitbox is irrevelant it take almost the same shot in the legs than in the face to kill some body

crysis have the armor option tou can climp on the edje of the structure you can make some power moove like kick cars etc.. you can also cloak urself agains tons of gameplay mechanics who as nothing to do with each others

Bf3 as outrageous recoils and bullets spread mechanics etc..etc.etc..

All 3 are different games in terms of options and gameplay mechanics available !

[Stew]

People hate it because it's become almost a monopoly thanks to the expansion of the console market. Everyone's doing the same, sticking to the same formula because it's popular. For developers it's a safe bet; Try something new and it might fail, or stick with what everyone's familiar with, and at best be called unoriginal.

It's one of those things holding back the evolution of PC gaming in particular, which could have been miles further years ago.

In fps game you dont have many choices you said eveyones stick with the same formula ? i remember all game were back in the day Doom / Quake like clones because at this time it was the best formula after this is was mostly a halflife clones and so on !

But when you talk about guns been able to aim down the sight having hip fire mechanics also having red dots different atachements to change certain value and custumize your guns are up the the standard

Only few games like nexuiz go back with a cetain (( retro gameplay )) with better graphics but i think modern mechanics work better for planetside 2 and the dev team as think the same !

[Stew]

Are there any PS1 vets in the forum who don't wan't a direct copy&paste of PS1? Are there any PS1 vets happy with the way PS2 is turning out?

Iron sights and BLOODY SCREEN SO REAL are the only things I see related CoD... Capture points and vehicles are the only things I see related to BF...

Gamers these days are suffering from what I call "CoDification phobia".

Agree its like saying cod, BF3 , cruysis are anywhere near eachother lol people have never played these to say such thing lol

[Crator]

I can just picture that PS1 general discussion board on the old forums in my head....uhhg.

Oh, you'd be correct in your assumptions. It was pretty bad!

[Stew]

They just need a new phrase to toss out rather than BF3 or CoD... my suggestion is Generic Modern Shooter, which covers all the blandness that saturates the current market.

We do not want a copypasta Planetside 1, but we don't want Generic Modern Shooter: MMO Edition either... this includes a preference for mechanics that encourage dueling over ganking and a general preference for macro level strategy meaning something.

GMS mechanics are not good because they're newer, they're just the only thing that anyone has access to.

whats will you want ill be interested to see How awesome will be your NON generics FPS mechanics ? what will you do as a game designers ?

You will take back the cross air and hip fire ?

you will remmove iron sigth and scopes ?

you will make everyones having 10k health ?

how this could be better than (( generic modern shooters ? ))


In my opinion its not because you have solid shooter mechanics with better and more immersice standard means your all the same i will name few very different modern shooters ...


COD = arcade fps game with PEWPEW guns who kill anyones whith legs shot
BF3 = semi arcade game with recoils bullets spread and very polish caracter moovement
Crysis = Sweet spot between realistic and futuristic gameplay featuring Nano armor , cloak , themal vision , power moove , sliding etc..
FEAR 2 = ninja kick sliding kick
ARMA = HArd core realistic simulation game
Operation flashpoint elite dragon rising/redriver = simulation game

All these games just to name a few have the modern shooter mechanics such as hip fire + sigth view + diferent sight view These games all share the same modern mechanics But none of them feel the same when you played most people who like BF3 hate cod most of those who love COD hate all the others Some love both some prefere crysis over BF or Cod or OFPE or arma

etc...

non of those game feel the same but share decent and solid FPS modern mechanics !

[Stew]

this is the crap i was talking about a month ago when I posted about it, the guy cried about every damn thing you can think of and we argued the whole time that he was wrong,so when TB and all the other whiners got their way, the game keep sinking and then I get that PM I posted from TB telling me that we were right about what would happen, this after he cranked out all the shit listed above(10k posts,etc..).

and don't think for a damn minute i don't recognize a bunch of the other whiners that are posting on PSU,these ppl will cry about nerfing everything that kills them.

BF3: For shame - YouTube

If you mean nerfing this kind of thing they were probably rigth their is a difference beetween asking for balanced and crying on everything in everygames their is few thing who are broken and exploits by little kids who enjoys easy kills

Like the dart or the Usas 12 shotguns was by far the worst pain in the ... ever when people start to use them it force you to use them as well and the game become battleof shotguns instead of battlefield

[ArmedZealot]

T-T-T-TRIPLE POST!!!!

[Dairian]

I love many things they are doing. But not sure about a low TTK. We will see about that in beta.

[Crator]

It's like the triple shot from the Jack Hammer. :P

[PrISM]

History has a habit of repeating itself, will you be nowhere to be found again when it comes to competition? Not that there will be any with people like you helping to make this another tactical shooter clone. anyway, feel free to look us up again on live, we'll be blanketing the leader board, again.
You don't need to explain anything to some scrubs. What's in the forum signature is all these bros need to know.

[Stew]

I love many things they are doing. But not sure about a low TTK. We will see about that in beta.

yeah beta will tell us everything and also will give some true and valuable Data to SOE !

but it seams the TTK is satisfying and solid from whats ive seen so far !

[JHendy]

As for if im better than somebody? answers is in the sig, buddy, im SKYeXile, Future Crew.

Hahahahahaha... Jesus Christ, Sky...

PS: Stew, come again?

[BattsTR]

Oh, you'd be correct in your assumptions. It was pretty bad!

Haha not assumptions. I remember it first hand. Everything from Air Cav to Surge to Personal Shield to third person to the maelstrom. Just a never ending whine fest. I'm all for balancing weapons that are obviously op like the Lasher 2.0, but at some point people just gotta play the game.

[RedKnights]

One thing I don't want to see returned is the interlink/dropship stalemate.

[burnoutbob]

I love many things they are doing. But not sure about a low TTK. We will see about that in beta.

yeah this is my only concern atm - everything else is perfect
but the ttk is to low imo

[WNxThentar]

I asking this questions since a fews months who have play planetside 1 like me back in the day and who can admit all the bad gameplay mechanics of planetside 1 ? It seams on this forums most people who claim to be ps1 vets did not lisen the the dev when they first annonce planetside 2 !

They have states the gameplay will be nowere near planetside 1 they also have implemented a class systhem ,they have change the gameplay mechanics, they have implemented modern shooter mechanics with sigth view etc.. they also have state planetside 2 will be more .... a way more fast pace with a low ttk etc..etc..etc..

I would like to know who in here is a planetside 1 vets and who love and admire the SOE dev team for whats they have planned for planetside and How better the fast pace combat will be with low ttk with class systhem to balanced thing out is great !

Where are the ps1 vets who love modern shooters mechanics ?

because ps1 isnt anywhere near ps2

they have keep the most important feature and have implemented the best shooter ans solid shooter mechanics out there !

SO good job SOE and i need to say this if you want ps2 to be a copy and paste of ps1 you will certainly and sadly hate ps2 !

Asking for minor change and for weapons balance is a thing but asking to dramatically or compleatly change the pace of the game is silly in my opinion !

I see that you are from Canada and even the French Canadians I know are very good at English but your whole post is very hard to read.

I don't know anyone that said they wanted PS2 = PS1 with better graphics. I've seen that most vets on here accept things will change and most, like me, are embracing this. What we bring to the table is a wealth of knowledge of how combat with hundreds of people in one area should work.

Honestly your whole post sounds like a leading question to troll.

[Stew]

I see that you are from Canada and even the French Canadians I know are very good at English but your whole post is very hard to read.

I don't know anyone that said they wanted PS2 = PS1 with better graphics. I've seen that most vets on here accept things will change and most, like me, are embracing this. What we bring to the table is a wealth of knowledge of how combat with hundreds of people in one area should work.

Honestly your whole post sounds like a leading question to troll.

Trolling is stupid iam not a troll maybe i have a hard time to make my point to my lack of english speaking !

thats said

I do not said someones as personally said «« i want copy and paste of ps1 »»

But most thing i heard always lead to thats like ... i always see people saying why is this not like ps1 why we dont have a high ttk why we dont have this or thats i understand some people will like to have a copy and paste of ps1 with better graphics since some of them are adverse to play modern shooters and prefer old shooters mechanics like quake style mechanics conterstrike 1.6 ps1 etc...

But the facts is the planetside 2 game take the best feature out of planetside but they have change it to make it More skills based more competitive more balanced and also have implemented the class systhem wich force the team work a lots compare to planetside 1 !


Actually the goal of thats tread was not to troll anyones it was a personal information for me about thos who actually have play Ps1 and who are happy about the change they are making to make it more fast pace more skills base more (( agressivegameplay )) aim down the sigth , bullet drop all that good stuff who actually are ««« MODERN FPS MECHANICS »»» I hve play planetside 1 for about 3 years as a Vs first and NC most of my entire ps1 career and everything i have love about ps1 is their ( exept the way to scavenge dead people )) and also everything ive hate and think was broken is mostly gone so yeah

Just want to know whoes happy about the change not whoes not

i already have seen all the complain possible about it so yeah !

[captainkapautz]

What we bring to the table is a wealth of knowledge of how combat with hundreds of people in one area should work.

No.

What we bring to the table is a wealth of knowledge of how combat with hundreds of people in one area worked in PS1.

Nothing more, nothing less.


P.S.: Yeah, I kinda think Stew is trolling as well.

Either that or he is dyslexic, to the max.

[GreatMazinkaise]

What we bring to the table is a wealth of knowledge of how combat with hundreds of people in one area should work.

No.

What we bring to the table is a wealth of knowledge of how combat with hundreds of people in one area worked in PS1.


Same exact thing...

[SKYeXile]

No.

What we bring to the table is a wealth of knowledge of how combat with hundreds of people in one area worked in PS1.

Nothing more, nothing less.


P.S.: Yeah, I kinda think Stew is trolling as well.

Either that or he is dyslexic, to the max.

Speak for yourself, iv played practically every PVP MMO there is, even the text based ones. some of us have just a little bit more experience than PS1 :P

[Sirisian]

I don't normally do this, but wasdie wrote exactly what I was thinking reading this thread:
Stop trying to make the world so black and white. You can have a combination of the gameplay found in Planetside with modern mechanics.

The spectrum of gameplay between Planetside 1 and other FPS (and to an extent RPG) games is massive with mechanics on either end which can all be seamlessly blended together in the region between with proper implementations to make the game the best of all worlds. Viewing every mechanic as two extremes (usually overpowered vs useless) has been happening frequently in posts to the extent where the first impression is all players ever write.

I can take quick examples of some of the most controversial things in the this game and in people that lack critical thinking skills their brain immediately jumps to an extreme.

Aim Down Sights
Prone
Quick Knife
Dual Wielding
Mechs

I've seen it in my own threads especially when no one reads the original post. It's what makes vague post titles extremely important and no polls.
Hostile and Passive Creatures (http://www.planetside-universe.com/forums/showthread.php?t=36234)
Fantasy Implants (http://www.planetside-universe.com/forums/showthread.php?t=37211)

It's a fun observation being a vet who's played all these games people talk about and sitting back and playing devil's advocate to think how other people perceive gameplay implementations and mechanics.

[captainkapautz]

Same exact thing...

Only if you are mentally handicapped with shitty reading comprehension.


Speak for yourself, iv played practically every PVP MMO there is, even the test based ones. some of us have just a little bit more experience than PS1 :P

Yeah, that's nice, now get the fuck back in line behind the 2000 other guys just like you, you special snowflake.

[SKYeXile]

Only if you are mentally handicapped with shitty reading comprehension.




Yeah, that's nice, now get the fuck back in line behind the 2000 other guys just like you, you special snowflake.

Nah theres probably only about 5 maybe 10 people out of that 2000 like me, its a statistical fact.

[GreatMazinkaise]

Only if you are mentally handicapped with shitty reading comprehension.




Yeah, that's nice, now get the fuck back in line behind the 2000 other guys just like you, you special snowflake.

No reading comprehension problem here; experience with PS1 combat is all that counts.

Lay off of SKY; you should watch your mouth around your betters.

[captainkapautz]

Nah theres probably only about 5 maybe 10 people out of that 2000 like me, its a statistical fact.

A statistical fact like Down-Syndrome?

[Vetto]

I am one of those who thrilled with the changes, PS1 is fun during it's time, But I have tried to replay it time and again only to get Annoyed very quickly at the fact I can pour buckets of bullets into people and watch them be fine, it gets annoying.

Yes it true after a good 4 years of not playing I am rusty no doubt, but getting the drop on some one and unloading them only to have them turn around and take you out as if you were never there... gets annoying.

[captainkapautz]

No reading comprehension problem here; experience with PS1 combat is all that counts.

To bad that the devs disagree with your opinion.

[Envenom]

special snowflake.

I lol'd:rofl:

[GreatMazinkaise]

That's the problem with PSU... lots of FNGs and Forumsiders, but so few people of quality.

[captainkapautz]

That's the problem with PSU... lots of FNGs and Forumsiders, but so few people of quality.

Well, you guys certainly ain't helping.

[SKYeXile]

A statistical fact like Down-Syndrome?

Yes well, you guys do make up a good portion of the PSU base.

[frigamache]

heh, started reading this thread and then I noticed the ignore user button, which is nice feature.

out with the old and in with the new!

[captainkapautz]

Yes well, you guys do make up a good portion of the PSU base.

You seem to be really happy about being extra special, even among the already rather special people.



Lay off of SKY; you should watch your mouth around your betters.

Now, why the fuck would I do that?

It's way more fun this way, and the "better"-part really helps your point, because I totally give a fuck about how eFamous/eGood he, you or anyone for that matter is.

No, really, I totally do.

[SKYeXile]

You seem to be really happy about being extra special, even among the already rather special people.





Now, why the fuck would I do that?

It's way more fun this way, and the "better"-part really helps your point, because I totally give a fuck about how eFamous/eGood he, you or anyone for that matter is.

No, really, I totally do.

Not just egood I'm pretty amazing IRL too.

[captainkapautz]

Not just egood I'm petty amazing IRL too.

Meh, I'm just petty IRL.

[SKYeXile]

yes well this is what i get for typing on an iphone.

[HitbackTR]

You weren't worth shit in a reaver or mossie Sky, Don't trip <3.

[SKYeXile]

You weren't worth shit in a reaver or mossie Sky, Don't trip <3.

lol, i was typing egood on my phone before, and it auto corrects to ego, i loled.

[HitbackTR]

gotta love predictive text?

[Stew]

Speak for yourself, iv played practically every PVP MMO there is, even the test based ones. some of us have just a little bit more experience than PS1 :P

Lol its like saying Ive play Mario Bros 1 when i was 5 years old dude my experience is larger than FPS

the only experience that matters here is MMO fps and MMO fps have 2 games One call planetside 1 2003 One call MAG ps3 256 players 1 OIC 4 plattoon leaders 16 squad leaders 8 players per squad in each team

playing wold of war craft KOTOR , TERA , and many others MMO do not grant any knowlege of MMO FPS !

its two compleate different wold lol

[SKYeXile]

Lol its like saying Ive play mario dude my experience is larger than FPS

the only experience that bmatter here is MMO fps and MMO fps have 2 games One call planetside 1 2003 One call MAG ps3 256 players 1 OIC 4 plattoon leaders 16 squad leaders 8 players per squad in each team

playing wold of war craft KOTOR , TERA , and many others MMO do not grant any knowlege of MMO FPS !

its two compleate different wold lol

lol the value an MMORPG can offer as incite is just as good if not better than an FPS player, its pretty basic stuff to know if your pvp combat and gameplay balance is alright, its totally another thing design your world properly so battles flow right and you keep people hooked and playing. its not so easy to do either, mythic did it with daoc, but they didnt with WAR, ncsoft didn't do it with aion, rift didn't do it, guild wars 2 looks like its doing it right.

[Stew]

lol the value an MMORPG can offer as incite is just as good if not better than an FPS player, its pretty basic stuff to know if your pvp combat and gameplay balance is alright, its totally another thing design your world properly so battles flow right and you keep people hooked and playing. its not so easy to do either, mythic did it with daoc, but they didnt with WAR, ncsoft didn't do it with aion, rift didn't do it, guild wars 2 looks like its doing it right.

LOL dude .... seriously ?

FPS mechanics and balanced work on a totally different level both genre have nothing to do with eachothers

MMO FPS have to be balanced on a all different level

FPS mechanics work on balistics rate of fire , recoils , reload time , reload animation carater moovement , caracter speed , moovement mechanics , aiming mechanics , hip fire mechanics , side arms , weapons swap , team balanced , hitbox , vehicules balance vehicules hitbox , hit detection , skills base gameplay scales team options communications quick response time etc.. etc..etc..etc...

nothing to do with all the power and all the balanced between MMO RPG caracter and the GAMEPLAY have nothing to do with each others MMORPG is roll of dice + gears + player knowlege mostly


Nothing to do with 100 % skills base games Like MMO fps !

[SKYeXile]

This guy is retarded right? like i'm picturing him trying wrap his mouth around his shoulder sort of retarded while wearing pants on his head.

What you just said Stew, all comes down to maths and logic, anybody is capable of been able to give feedback on the balance of those individual things you mentioned, but people experienced in how worlds interact can know how those mechanics will effect the world.

This isn't just as simple as sticking 2000 people in a box and watching them shoot at each other like a typical FPS, this is entirely new ground for most people and people such as yourself cant even grasp at the very basic level as to what fuels world pvp. Thats obvious in the fact that you only mentioned the basic things that makes planetside the same as every other shooter and none of the things that make at least in the case of PS1 unique, like encouraging pvp, sieging bases and supply lines and creating front lines for battles with dynamic and involving battles.

anyway, feel free to reply and miss my point entirely again, personally i find its better if you rub butter on the bus windows, its makes the fog less prone to stick to it and its tasty when you feel the need to lick the windows.

[Landtank]

This isn't just as simple as sticking 2000 people in a box and watching them shoot at each other like a typical FPS


It actually kinda is, I don't know if you realize this or not, but that is preeeetty much the core gameplay. People with guns running around in a big box (Indar is conveniently shaped for this story :P) shooting each other, grabbing some vehicles etc.

What Stew said is fairly true, in a game like WoW PvP comes down to gear, stats and some teamplay. Occasionally.

In an MMOFPS it's more about player skill, reflexes, ability to keep your sights trained on a target, or to out maneuver someone in a dog fight etc.

It's funny, because in the post he quoted you in, you said "the value an MMORPG player can offer as incite is just as good if not better than an FPS player" and then you go and pretty much list everything about Planetside that shows that MMORPG experience is actually completely USELESS when it comes to Planetside, and that you need FPS experience to be relevant.

He only listed the basic things that make Planetside different from every other FPS because Planetside is an FPS at its core, and an FPS as it turns out has almost nothing to do with an RPG, and that includes PvP.

[SKYeXile]

I'm not talking about the direct gameplay...you're right about all those things an FPS does come down to player ability, all of which is irrelevant when discussing and giving feedback on the designing of a video game.

Planetside 2 has so much it can lean from examining open pvp games like DAOC, EVE, Darkfall, AION, WAR and GW2. I dont know what post you read to be honest, because i gave examples of mechanics only found in MMORPGS and Planetside, you dont need any FPS experience to know greatly rewarding people for taking an undefended objective is a design flaw, its something learned by playing MMO's and seeing how players act under circumstances when rewards are involved.

anyway, everybody has played FPS's, few people have experienced open world pvp.

[JHendy]

Nah theres probably only about 5 maybe 10 people out of that 2000 like me, its a statistical fact.

Holy fuck... You aren't doing yourself any favours with talk like this.

[Neksar]

Nah theres probably only about 5 maybe 10 people out of that 2000 like me, its a statistical fact.

Pretty sure Internet Tough Guys are a dime a dozen.

Moving on.

If I'm reading previous posts correctly, there are some who think that modern shooting mechanics encourage ganking as opposed to dueling? Where does that come from, when TTKs are so short that one person can easily kill 3 if they're well-positioned? If anything, PS2 should encourage teamplay and focused fire using spotting and longer TTKs, but I can't know based on videos. I'd need to actually play it and get a feel for it.

The natural problem stemming from that view is that players won't want to play a game where they can't be awesome unsupported, which, I'm willing to speculate, is part of why PS1 died (among the many other reasons).

[Qwan]

i am a ps1 vet, and i do not want a copy/paste of it for ps2
ps1 died a slow and aweful death, currently hovering somewhere in between potted plant and purgatory.
i would love to see ps2 succeed and have a long and active life and copy/pasting ps1 doesnt accomplish that in any way.

I have to agree with big guy here on this one, (even though his choice in factions is messed up :D ) I dont want a copy and paste of PS1. The only thing that made it bearable was the good friends I made while gaming. Alot of good fights and alot of good memory's, I hope PS2 keeps that part of the game :groovy:

[captainkapautz]

the only experience that matters here is MMO fps and MMO fps have 2 games One call planetside 1 2003 One call MAG ps3 256 players 1 OIC 4 plattoon leaders 16 squad leaders 8 players per squad in each team.

Bullshit.

You are also forgeting a little game called Neocron, came out a tad before PS1 and we used to have 60+ people battles back when 32 player maps were big.

WWIIOnline as well.

I can even name more MMOFPSes, but they'd be more focused on the RPG aspect and less on the FPS-part.


This guy is retarded right?

Magic 8-Ball says:

Signs point to yes.


P.S.: I like you, please post which server you gonna play on when you decide on it.
I like people who can talk some good smack AND back it up ingame as well.

[Furber]

Long spawn times were probably my least favorite thing about ps1. The spawn time would increase when you died more, and it wasn't even like you had to die a lot in a short time for it to increase. I think it wasn't meant to be this way, but if you died 3 times in about 5 minutes you'd be up to like a 40 second spawn time.

[captainkapautz]

Long spawn times were probably my least favorite thing about ps1. The spawn time would increase when you died more, and it wasn't even like you had to die a lot in a short time for it to increase. I think it wasn't meant to be this way, but if you died 3 times in about 5 minutes you'd be up to like a 40 second spawn time.

Every death in a specific time added 5 seconds to the respawntimer, IIRC.

Add to that that spawning at anything that wasn't a base to like 20 seconds minimum made for some really crappy waitingtimes.

[PrISM]

This guy is retarded right? like i'm picturing him trying wrap his mouth around his shoulder sort of retarded while wearing pants on his head.
http://s1.wallls.com/preview/3/zero-punctuation-yahtzee-ben-pants-on-head-retarded-18393.jpg

[captainkapautz]

http://s1.wallls.com/preview/3/zero-punctuation-yahtzee-ben-pants-on-head-retarded-18393.jpg

Actual footage of Stew playing MAG.

[Stew]

Actual footage of Stew playing MAG.

MAG stew360 smg performance part 2 - YouTube

Actually thats Me playing MAG ;)

[FuzzyandBlue]

This guy is retarded right? like i'm picturing him trying wrap his mouth around his shoulder sort of retarded while wearing pants on his head.

What you just said Stew, all comes down to maths and logic, anybody is capable of been able to give feedback on the balance of those individual things you mentioned, but people experienced in how worlds interact can know how those mechanics will effect the world.

This isn't just as simple as sticking 2000 people in a box and watching them shoot at each other like a typical FPS, this is entirely new ground for most people and people such as yourself cant even grasp at the very basic level as to what fuels world pvp. Thats obvious in the fact that you only mentioned the basic things that makes planetside the same as every other shooter and none of the things that make at least in the case of PS1 unique, like encouraging pvp, sieging bases and supply lines and creating front lines for battles with dynamic and involving battles.

anyway, feel free to reply and miss my point entirely again, personally i find its better if you rub butter on the bus windows, its makes the fog less prone to stick to it and its tasty when you feel the need to lick the windows.

I agree with Sky here. Just because there are differences in core mechanics, does not mean that the devs of PS2 cannot learn from games like WoW. Despite what your opinion of WoW might be its is the most successful MMO ever. It might even be the most successful video game ever. Just to clarify by success I am talking money made, and life span of game.

I would be very surprised if the PS2 devs did not look at WoW and say "what and made WoW so popular over such a long period of time?" and "what can we do in our game to mimic some of those systems?"

I have no opinion on the first paragraph of Sky's post.

[CorvicM]

wait someone claimed MAG was a MMOFPS? uh no its not its a glorified regular FPS cause like a regular FPS it has a TIME LIMIT and ROUNDS while in any MMO there is not. cause just adding more players doesn't make it an MMO. sorry there is only 2 MMOFPS that i know of Planetside and WWII ONLINE.

[Graywolves]

I'm still looking for the bittervets that are expecting carbon copy PS2.

[Jownzorz]

I'm just happy Stew has taken a liking to the NC.

[CorvicM]

I'm just happy Stew has taken a liking to the NC.

:mad: I might just have to switch back to my original the VS then but i don't wanna :cry:

[Hmr85]

I'm not asking for a copy and paste of the original PS with updated graphics. If I wanted that I would just keep playing PS1. With that said though, there are some features from ps1 I wouldn't mind seeing make it over into PS2. Only because I feel it would help improve the gameplay and overall experience of the game.

[Zar]

I've read that title over and over and it doesn't make sense.

That said Planetside is horrible to play now, it's too dated and isn't any fun and doesn't even feel like much of a shooter. When it came out in 2003 it felt quite dated as it is, however we let a lot of things slide because an FPS of that scale had never been done before and it was amazing.

I personally love FPS games like Battlefield 3 and they need to make the shooting feel like that game. They need modern mechanics like Squad spawn, small amounts of regen health and stuff like spotting. These are all improvements to the gameplay and I myself love kill cams like the one in COD, there is nothing more satisfying that dying and seeing how they killed you. It gives you the feed back to get better, it isn't about giving away the enemy position.

When the game goes to beta I just hope there aren't a lot of moaners that get SOE to turn Planetside 2 into some underground FPS that wont be a hit. SOE need a hit with this game so they need to find the middle ground where everyone can be happy. Personally I think there should be different implants like what Planetside had to do this like you can have Regen health but less of it or you can have an implant to disable the enemy from seeing your kill cam etc etc...... really O.o well your not gonna like ps 2 then xD planetside 2 will not be cod with 2000 player's ever >.< nor would it be bf3 now its not gonna be planetside 1 with new graphic's hopefully it will be a well balanced new game which crushes bf cod and the first planetside =x

[capiqu]

I remember Higby saying that they even estimated how many people would be in play or spawning at a given time. So with 2000 players in 1 map, I would assume that the TTK chosen may have something to do with performance as well.

[captainkapautz]

sorry there is only 2 MMOFPS that i know of Planetside and WWII ONLINE.

Neocron.
Face of Mankind.
Fallen Earth.

Now you know 3 more.