French will trade for Whine?

[Navaron]

Here's some poetic justice I hope turns out.

http://www.upi.com/view.cfm?StoryID=20030314-095811-8865r

[Lexington_Steele]

I liked that article, it made me think of something.

Since we are going to war for moral/security reasons, and when we get Saddam it will be an American administration controlling Iraq...

Why won't we guarentee France, Germany, and Russia the same deals they have with Saddam?

If we are trying to do the right thing for the Iraqi people and for sucurity for the rest of the world, why are we unwilling to guarentee France, Russia, and Germany similar deals to what they have now.

[Gortha]

OilOilOilOilOiL this fuckin black Gold... wich reigns the whole world.

I think u know exactly why the Iraqis don�t want any Oil-Contracts with the USA and Britain....

So... just let us walk in... kill enough... take the Oil... and rule the world with the Hammer made of black Gold.
Effective Strategy... in the eyes of a stupid guy.

enough

[MrVicchio]

Gortha,

Its only about Oil for France, Russia and Germany... go blame them

[Gortha]

Why blame them for oil-contracts with iraq???

[Zatrais]

Because it is the french, germans and russians that has material interests in iraq ( read oil contracts and oil hardware).

The irony is that they are the contries thats interested in iraq for its oil, not the US but they (french/german) are the ones using oil as a reason for why the US wants to invade iraq.

[Airlift]

Originally posted by MrVicchio
Gortha,

Its only about Oil for France, Russia and Germany... go blame them

http://www.clanstfu.com/images/atalk.gif

[Confectrix]

Originally posted by Lexington_Steele
I liked that article, it made me think of something.

Since we are going to war for moral/security reasons, and when we get Saddam it will be an American administration controlling Iraq...

Why won't we guarentee France, Germany, and Russia the same deals they have with Saddam?

If we are trying to do the right thing for the Iraqi people and for sucurity for the rest of the world, why are we unwilling to guarentee France, Russia, and Germany similar deals to what they have now.

The United States cannot give what it does not own. The Iraqi people will decide where those contracts go. Not the US; not Saddam.

[Gortha]

Rotfl.... the US is invading Iraq because of Oil-Interests.... don�t try to blame France, Russia or Germany it doesn�t works.

Gortha

[Confectrix]

Gortha:

Where is your evidence?

I have evidence stating otherwise; actual policy documents from the Executive Branch from the desk of the President of the United States.

We are not interested in oil.

[Gortha]

Looooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo oL

the greatest lie Iever heared! hahaha lol


Greetz

Gortha

[Confectrix]

Gortha:

I am not joking. WHere is your evidence?

Smearing the United States is no small offense.

I want your proof.

[Gortha]

I postet this some time ago in another tread:

Part1:

http://www.systranlinks.com/systran/cgi?systran_lp=de_en&systran_id=Abacho-de&systran_url=http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/0,1518,239559,00.html&systran_f=1047383722

Part2:

http://www.systranlinks.com/systran/cgi?systran_lp=de_en&systran_id=Abacho-de&systran_url=http://www.spiegel.de/politik/ausland/0,1518,239559-2,00.html&systran_f=1047384487

[Confectrix]

Going to one source for information is stupidity. Besides the guy who wrote this article is blatently out to persuade others (Germans) that the USA is a money hungry imperialistic machine.

Hate to disappoint him/her; but we are not.

[Hamma]

Originally posted by Airlift
http://www.clanstfu.com/images/atalk.gif :rofl: :lol: :rofl: :lol:
:rofl: :lol: :rofl: :lol:

As for Gortha, lets see some proof bro ;)

One source is hardly proof.

[Gortha]

Perhaps u should read this article, before u say something like this.

The "Spiegel" a Magazine which is accepted worldwide as a legitimate Magazine isn�t writing shit.

Gortha

[Lexington_Steele]

Originally posted by Hamma


As for Gortha, lets see some proof bro ;)

One source is hardly proof.

Lets see some proof that it isn't a war for oil.

On this site we have seen an number of article by accredited journalist, economist and political analysts. More than that, the oil motive fits the scenario perfectly.

I will not accept material that says war is not for oil that comes from our administration. The reason why I would not accept such evidence is because the US government has nothing to gain by saying that the war is for oil.

In fact, if the US government declared it was for oil, political opponents of the US would use this as amunition against the political position of the US.

If the shoe fits, werar it.

[Lexington_Steele]

Originally posted by Confectrix
The United States cannot give what it does not own. The Iraqi people will decide where those contracts go. Not the US; not Saddam.
These countries obviously have deals with Iraq. Numbers on these deals are not hard to find. Why can't the US enforce these contractual obligations?

BTW, governments often limit who their people can trade with.

[Gortha]

Like usually Lex u are damn right.

Greetz
Gortha

[Hamma]

Its amazing how people are so blind to another sides views.

I hate people.

[Gortha]

If u are talking about both sides, pro and contra than u are right.... in most times.

[Lexington_Steele]

Originally posted by Hamma
Its amazing how people are so blind to another sides views.

I hate people.
But people love you. :love: :)

[SilentCacophony]

Hey Lex, do you still have that article about Cheney's oil dealings with Iraq? I had the page bookmarked, but deleted it after reading it :(. They want proof? Give them some good old U.S. of A proof, since that's all they seem to believe in.

[SilentCacophony]

ok, wtf. I'm reading this article now.

"Salih is expected to be one of the leading political figures in Iraq, along with the PUK's leader Jalal Talabani, after the fall of Iraq's current leader Saddam Hussein. The Kurdish enclave in northern Iraq, protected for a decade by British and U.S. warplanes enforcing a no-fly zone, has become an island of prosperity and nascent democratic ways. "

That shows that the man saying they won't honour France or Russia's oil contracts when Saddam has been ousted, is also the man most likely to become IN power once Sadam has been removed. So by saying he won't honour them, that means the U.S. could easily obtain said oil contracts, right? This guy gets leadership if the U.S. goes to war and removes Saddam from power, right?

In other words, "Hey U.S., you come take out this "EVIL" dictator, put me in power, and I'll give you these lucrative $20 BILLION dollar oil contracts." Nah, it's not about oil though.

[Lexington_Steele]

Hamma and Confectrix, here is a very good read on Iraqi oil, and it's economic implications accross the world.

http://www.observer.co.uk/international/story/0,6903,882512,00.html

P.S. Silent, I am not sure which article you are talking about but I am digging through my bookmarks to find it.

[Lexington_Steele]

Here is another article entitled, "It's Not "All About Oil," But... Victory in Iraq would reshuffle the global players with big stakes in the country's oil fields. "

http://foi.missouri.edu/usenergypolicies/itsnotallaboutoil.html

[SilentCacophony]

I'm pretty sure it had been posted by you. It was all about cheney having dealings with Iraq despite the UN sanctions.

[Lexington_Steele]

Originally posted by SilentCacophony
I'm pretty sure it had been posted by you. It was all about cheney having dealings with Iraq despite the UN sanctions.
I couldn't find it, I think the one you were talking about was posted by Airlift.

[SilentCacophony]

Found it myself on google after a quick search. I recognized it because it has "Cacophony" in the first sentence :D. Found the article on a couple of pages actually:

http://www.sfbg.com/reality/04.html

[Lexington_Steele]

Here is one about Dick Cheney's politcal motivations and his deals with Iraq tho.

http://www.sfbg.com/reality/04.html

Edit: you beat me to it. :)