Should PS2 have a Russian server?

[I SandRock]

Yea... sensitive topic I guess...
My experience is simply that Russian players cause a lot of bad blood within communities. And I'll say it, they seem to hack a lot more. In fact, APB:R released statistics on it in their game and russians turned out to hack a TON more than any other nationality in their game. APB russians were quite a nuisance.

Now I'm VS and when I look at the recruit center I see VS is highly popular in Russia. Being European... I can see how chat will be spammed with russian language, as the majority seems reluctant or incapable of speaking English. And TR and NC will get frustrated with the increased hacking of VS..

So.. I really hope there will be Russian-only servers... there.. i said it ;)

[Praetor]

I think there is a case for English, German, French and Russian speaking servers. On the old Planetside it would never have worked because it simply wasn’t popular enough, but I don’t think that’ll be the case for PS2.

[Pella]

What gave you the idea to make this complete rubbish up.

Russian players are amongst the words best online gamers next to the Koreans. Big flight e-sports are dominated by Russians.

APB was hacked to hell by all players. Not just Russians.

And more to the point Russians should be welcomed on the European servers with a local client.

[SKYeXile]

I like fighting Russians, kings of the derp rush. (derp rushes inevitably fail)

[Fab]

Yeah hope there will be, i'm European too and i really hope there will be a russian server.

Another thing, seeing the VS spamming in Eastern Europe makes me want to support these poor NC that are dramaticly outnumbered in Europe.

[I SandRock]

Russian players are amongst the words best online gamers next to the Koreans. Big flight e-sports are dominated by Russians.

I never said there weren't good Russian gamers


APB was hacked to hell by all players. Not just Russians.

Yes but the way statistics work is that they show you what percentage of what nationality hacks. And it turned out Russian players hacked a ton more than any other nationality and contributed to the majority of hackers in the game.


And more to the point Russians should be welcomed on the European servers with a local client.
Perhaps. But I think a lot of Russians would actually prefer a Russian server. At least when APB introduced russian districts most Russians stuck to that.

[Cobalt]

It's a sad truth though, all the MMOs i've played where i've shared a server with the RUSCORP or Red Army or one of the other 3 names 'that' group of them uses it's never a good experience. Russia is a big enough place to warrant it's own server.

Don't mistake me for saying everyone from Russia is like that, but there are enough to make it a problem for other EU players.

[Pella]

I never said there weren't good Russian gamers


Yes but the way statistics work is that they show you what percentage of what nationality hacks. And it turned out Russian players hacked a ton more than any other nationality and contributed to the majority of hackers in the game.


Perhaps. But I think a lot of Russians would actually prefer a Russian server. At least when APB introduced russian districts most Russians stuck to that.


Fair enough. But where are you seeing these National Hack stats?

[I SandRock]

Here is the quote from APB: Reloaded beta:
Of course even though a low percentage of players cheat, they also ironically are also frequent players, which means they show up in matches slightly more often than non-cheaters. The net result is that usually a cheater is able to play a series of matches before we catch him/her (our name-and-shame log has this data as well), and there are large differences in cheating percentages by country. For example, a Russian player is nearly 2X as likely to attempt to cheat as an American player. Also paid players are slightly less likely to attempt to cheat (though some paid players ALSO try it, which does boggle the mind).

By the main dev guy

[SKYeXile]

Русские являются удивительными, особенно, когда они отказываются говорить по-английски.

他们可以发挥的红龙。

[Timey]

I don't mind them tbh.

[Zenben]

他们可以发挥的红龙。

¿Donde esta la biblioteca? WHAT LUNCHBOX???

[Pella]

Here is the quote from APB: Reloaded beta:


By the main dev guy

Ahh right. Thats just for APB. I assumed you was talking about in general.

[Gandhi]

The only experience I have with large groups of Russians was in EVE. The Russian alliances were always kind of mysterious because they'd only speak Russian and kept to themselves, but when they showed up to crash your party they'd steamroll almost anyone. They were notorious as being "gold farmers" using bots to mine resources, but I don't know how much truth there was to that.

Anyway, I don't care either way. I think with the outfit system they'll tend to segregate themselves from the rest of the community like they did in EVE, but that's not necessarily a bad thing. As long as it doesn't end up like the Chinese in Planetside 1, being totally oblivious to what's going on because none of them speak English.

[sumo]

russians are indeed a problem in general. not all of them, but many of them. they tend to cheat and exploit:(

[RedKnights]

Well, that is all up to The9 I believe, so no point voicing your concerns here :rolleyes:

[I SandRock]

Well, that is all up to The9 I believe, so no point voicing your concerns here :rolleyes:

The9 is the chinese one? Pro7 is the EU one? :P

Just curious what other people think of it, besides PS devs still come here and have an influence on things ;)

[Immigrant]

Russian should have a separate server (those would be used by Belarus, Ukranians and other too)... it's not the cheating that worries me but their numbers combined with poor knowledge of english - language barrier.

Most russians don't speak english very well and prefer to use russian, and they can get away with that without penalties (game wise) because they have strength in numbers.

These kind of problem are specific for Euro servers because of many different languages...

There should also be rules to force the use of english on official Empire channel... other languages could be used but only in Outfit channels or within squads... Also please do not allow use of cyrillics signs on common Euro servers.

[Meriv]

i Would give them a server first for cultural difference (language) second because they are quite a big f2p market.(and if PS2 is succesfull, that after PCmagazine i believe a lot ;take in consideration WOT just russian server is 3 times the sum of EU+US)

[Xaine]

Must say, I've played a lot of MMOs and I've never had a good experience with Russians.

In Age of Conan for example, RUSCORP and Red Army would kill anyone who didn't speak Russian.

They just seem to be, in my experience, extremely xenophobic and make little or no attempt to integrate themselves into the wider community. They just stay in their Russian guilds and swear at anyone that doesn't speak Russian.

You don't get his from any other European community.

[ringring]

I do not agree with this point. From my experience in PS the russians have always been excellent people and Red October, Russian Spec Ops are all a great outfits.

The point about different servers for different nationalities does worry me a bit. Safe to say on Werner we were all a happy family so to speak, there were some nationality based outfits but whether national or multinational we all got on together. If the gane starts off being national based and then servers start to merge later on I don't know if that will still be the case.

[NewSith]

This was broght up a few times quite a while back.

Russian server will idd solve things, because free to play model attracts too many russian schoolboys, that basically doesn't differ from US CoD crowd, with the only difference being latter speaking english.

But in fact my heart is at ease more or less, because:
A) Audience that like the style of APB actually differs from PlnetSide audience.
B) Global chat is not available to everybody.
C) PlanetSide 1 old russian guard (including meself, of course) will try and give the newcomers a hint on the reason why keeping the comms clear is important.
D) I expect EU server not to support cyrillics. There go all your проблемы с переводом.



As for WoT - you do realise it IS a russian game? And speaking of numbers - there isn't many people in Russia who prefer BF-type of games, so I don't think it'll get THAT popular here.

I do not agree with this point. From my experience in PS the russians have always been excellent people and Red October, Russian Spec Ops are all a great outfits.

F2P crowd, Hill... Terrible crowd.

[Xaine]

If that's the case then I have nonissue with it.

Just in my experiences, Russians tend to be more trouble than they're worth. But that's only my experience.

I'm English and we're not known for being angels either lol

I hope I'm proved wrong :)

[Immigrant]

The point about different servers for different nationalities does worry me a bit.

Russian are simply too big as a market group not to have a server of their own, it's not nationality thing. They can afford to form all russians clans/outfits simply because they will be the most numerous....

There will be 3(continents)x3(empires)x666(players per side per continent)=5994 that's means around 6000 people sustainable per server and I believe russian-speaking gamers would easily fill 5 or 6 servers like these. I'd like to avoid being stuck into a russian prevalent server that's why I would like SOE to make separate servers for them from the start... it sucks being stuck playing with people whose language you don't understand well... I understand a bit of russian because it's similar to my mother language but not enough to facilitate communication with ease. If russian used english there would be no problems but I doubt they will if they are not forced somehow.

D) I expect EU server not to support cyrillics. There go all your проблемы с переводом. Yeah I hope this will be the case and we won't have any translation problems.

p.s. Ja osobno razumijem ponešto ruskog i znam ćirilicu pa razumijem većinu onoga što Rusi napišu, ali svejedno više volim koristiti engleski kada igram kompjutorske igre preko mreže.

[NewSith]

Russian are simply to big as a market group not to have a server of their own, it's not nationality thing. They can afford to form all russians clans/outfits simply because they will be the most numerous....

There will be 3(continents)x3(empires)x666(players per side per continent)=5994 that's means around 6000 people sustainable per server and I believe russian-speaking gamers would easily fill 5 or 6 servers like these. I'd like to avoid being stuck into a russian prevalent server that's why I would like SOE to make separate servers for them from the start... it sucks being stuck playing with people whose language you don't understand well... I understand a bit of russian because it's similar to my mother language but not enough to facilitate communication with ease. If russian used english there would be no problems but I doubt they will if they are not forced somehow.

If there's no Russian server at launch, old russian PS players will take the mission.

[ringring]

Russian are simply to big as a market group not to have a server of their own, it's not nationality thing. They can afford to form all russians clans/outfits simply because they will be the most numerous....

There will be 3(continents)x3(empires)x666(players per side per continent)=5994 that's means around 6000 people sustainable per server and I believe russian-speaking gamers would easily fill 5 or 6 servers like these. I'd like to avoid being stuck into a russian prevalent server that's why I would like SOE to make separate servers for them from the start... it sucks being stuck playing with people whose language you don't understand well... I understand a bit of russian because it's similar to my mother language but not enough to facilitate communication with ease. If russian used english there would be no problems but I doubt they will if they are not forced somehow.

Also remember it will not be 6000 people per server, it will be many more but of course they won't all be online at the same time.

Also remember in Europe there are also different time zones which will spread activity out.

Having said that, on launch it's going to be interesting to see how many servers SOE go with.

[Xaine]

The time zones for Europe have a two hour difference between the UK and eastern Europe, that's not a lot at all. There won't be much activity difference I wouldn't think.

[Immigrant]

Also remember it will not be 6000 people per server, it will be many more but of course they won't all be online at the same time.

Also remember in Europe there are also different time zones which will spread activity out.

Having said that, on launch it's going to be interesting to see how many servers SOE go with.

First point only adds to the problem since some guys will have to wait just to login once the Rooskies start to flood the servers (and they will since this is f2p). Since most russian gamers come from european regions of Russian Federacy that use Moscow Time i honestly doubt the time zone difference (2 hours difference from CET) will spread out the activity that much.

[Grapes]

Please, for the love of god. Let them have their own server...

[Meriv]

Also remember it will not be 6000 people per server, it will be many more but of course they won't all be online at the same time.



Just lets give a number from WOT russian server(ok it isnt a game made by them for them but who knows how well will go ps2?
475k peak gaming at same time
6.6 million registered.
2.2 million active since last week.
472k (7%) in clans
1.8 mill (28%) with over 1k games.
and 310000 new users this month.(4.6%)

I think they will spam quite a LOT of servers for them.

[ringring]

Just lets give a number from WOT russian server(ok it isnt a game made by them for them but who knows how well will go ps2?
475k peak gaming at same time
6.6 million registered.
2.2 million active since last week.
472k (7%) in clans
1.8 mill (28%) with over 1k games.
and 310000 new users this month.(4.6%)

I think they will spam quite a LOT of servers for them.
Clearly PS2 needs to move to a subscription.

:p

[NewSith]

You are all just a bunch of nationalists... :p

[Xaine]

Just lets give a number from WOT russian server(ok it isnt a game made by them for them but who knows how well will go ps2?
475k peak gaming at same time
6.6 million registered.
2.2 million active since last week.
472k (7%) in clans
1.8 mill (28%) with over 1k games.
and 310000 new users this month.(4.6%)

I think they will spam quite a LOT of servers for them.

WoT was out in Russia long before it came to Europe, for a start.

That's like posting figures of Aion and being surprised that more Korean people play it.

I'm sure there will be a lot of Russians playing the game, but using WoT as an example doesn't work really.

[Joe]

In my experience Russians are more likely to be hackers this has been true in a lot of games I have played over the years, its not nationalism or prejudice its just what i have found. But this should not be a problem if PS2 has a half decent anti-cheat, but Russia is a big place maybe it will be required for them to have their own server the Facebook app and upcoming beta should give SOE an idea if they will need one. :)

[Xaine]

You are all just a bunch of nationalists... :p

Sorry New, I'm a little jaded after dealing with years of Ruscop and Red Army.

At least you're not French, then we'd really have a problem!

Hehehehihihihohhohheuheueu.

[sumo]

You are all just a bunch of nationalists... :p
not being a nationalist no. if that was the case i would ask for danish servers.
experience throughout many games have shown that russians have a tendency to exploit/cheat and clutter chats with russian.
i blame Putin!

[Meriv]

WoT was out in Russia long before it came to Europe, for a start.

That's like posting figures of Aion and being surprised that more Korean people play it.

I'm sure there will be a lot of Russians playing the game, but using WoT as an example doesn't work really.

OK then taking european figures
3.4 million registered
500k active since last week.
155k users in clans (4.5%)
371k users over 1k games (11%)
358 thousand new users this month. (10.4%)
(i am very curius over LOL stats that i cant find)
With the culture of f2p already around i think ps2 will have more a problem of spamming them than merging.

Another curiosity normaly turks players in which server do they end?

[Joe]

i blame Putin!

Be careful :P

http://themotivationalposters.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/04/putin-motivational-poster-982.jpg

[NewSith]

the Facebook app should give SOE an idea if they will need one. :)

Russians use vk.com and onoklassniki.ru as social networks.

[Joe]

Russians use vk.com and onoklassniki.ru as social networks.

Then it looks like the Beta and the final game are the only things they could use. The FB app has shown me that balancing all the different empires will be hard (if it relates to the final game in anyway). I don't know how they will do it NC needs more people...

[igster]

Coming from Werner I had nothing but good experiences with Russian players.



I do think that the servers should be language based though and not region based. I know a number nationaliities that often dont want to speak English and I can understand that.

I've been on servers heavily populated by players that like to speak their own language and it does cause tension when a game server described as English speaking is populated by other nationaliites that refuse to communicate in the language designated to the server.

Make the servers language locked and there is no problem. I think this is really really necessary in a game that is destined to implement in game VOIP - why squad with 6 other players who actually dont talk the same language.

[NewSith]

Make the servers language locked and there is no problem.

Now imagine this - some random newb from Russia called NewSith hangs out with guys whose site is www.mercenarys.co.uk. What should he do then?

[Mechzz]

Yeah, language linking the European servers is the way to go. In a game that is so dependent on VOIP, having guys you can't communicate with would really cripple the gameplay.

[Nasher]

This was the problem with the old planetside, it was either US or Europe...

There are many languages in Europe but most speak English, French, German, Spanish or Russian. There needs to be servers for these major languages otherwise people who don't speak English have no where to go.

[Mechzz]

So how do other big MMOs handle this?

[Nasher]

So how do other big MMOs handle this?

Take a newish MMO like SWTOR. They have English, French and German for Europe. Then US servers. Theres no region locks so you can pick any you like. But the lack of Russian means you get Russian guilds on English servers where only some of their members speak English. They keep themselves to themselves, but I'd hate to play on a server where I couldnt talk to 99% of the population.

Eastern Europe and Scandinavian countries almost always play on English servers, even when they get their own for some reason. But they all speak fluent English :P

[Meriv]

IMO
I disagree with local language servers, at least from countries where there is a high chance that they have learned english or at least inglish level, i would like to play with different cultures to met new ppl, soo excludiing ex-French speaking colonies (that i think got more serius problems than to play ps2) i would be not putting local language server for Germany/France/Italy/spain. Except if there is a realy big difference like with the Russian or Turk or indi etc..etc.. that alone have quite the big population and who does know english normaly join an english speaking server

[velleity]

Speakers of Germanic languages invariably cheat and talk funny. Especially Frisian. Hope those bastards get their own Frisian-only ghetto server instead of crapping up my comms with their animal grunting.

[Mechzz]

Take a newish MMO like SWTOR. They have English, French and German for Europe. Then US servers. Theres no region locks so you can pick any you like. But the lack of Russian means you get Russian guilds on English servers where only some of their members speak English.


IMO
I disagree with local language servers, at least from countries where there is a high chance that they have learned english or at least inglish level, i would like to play with different cultures to met new ppl, soo excludiing ex-French speaking colonies (that i think got more serius problems than to play ps2) i would be not putting local language server for Germany/France/Italy/spain. Except if there is a realy big difference like with the Russian or Turk or indi etc..etc.. that alone have quite the big population and who does know english normaly join an english speaking server

Thanks Nasher, that setup makes a lot of sense.

Meriv,the point isn't to exclude people, but really, if I can't speak Spanish, why would I go and play on a Spanish server? No-one is going to give me the time of day.

I say - If you can speak enough of the language to play on a server, then you should be able to play on it.

But if you don't have that language, there should be another server you can play on without putting yourself at a disadvantage.

The only way I can see mixed-language servers working is if each language gets forced to a faction. So English = NC, German = TR, Russian = VS

[Meriv]

Speakers of Germanic languages invariably cheat and talk funny. Especially Frisian. Hope those bastards get their own Frisian-only ghetto server instead of crapping up my comms with their animal grunting.
They are quite the small population, how many players from them can you find toghether, they have a real life population under the 500k quota...... (frisian)

[capiqu]

Would it be possible for gamers to have an in-game language(s) selection option. So if I want Spanish as well as English I can set my game to Spanish and English or maybe to Spanish only. I think this would help with the spamming from different languages that I can't Read.

[Mechzz]

Would it be possible for gamers to have an in-game language(s) selection option. So if I want Spanish as well as English I can set my game to Spanish and English or maybe to Spanish only. I think this would help with the spamming from different languages that I can't Read.

You could, but I think forcing different languages to different factions would help gameplay on mixed language servers enormously. What do you think?

[capiqu]

Well i don't know enough just a casual planetside player here and I've been Emerald from the start. So aside from the mandarin globals of recent years I would have no idea what playing in a mix language server would be like. I just think allowing people to select languages or to just keep their game open to all would be a nice option.

[Mastachief]

please god yes

[Mechzz]

I agree, it is a nice option. The only drawback is that in Europe with so many languages you can easily end up not understanding half of what your side is saying in the game, which does not improve the gameplay experience.

Just trying to think of ways to handle it without "ghettoising" people.

[I SandRock]

A really old small-time MMO I used to play, The Fourth Coming, had a 'chatbot'. It scanned the chat for swearing and foreign language and would chat-ban you for x, x2, x3, x4 etc. hours if it detected you swearing or not speaking english in public chat.

I'd like to see something like that.

In World of Warcraft you just had English/German/French. After a few months on Warsong the russians were the majority of population and you couldn't find a group or play without speaking russian. Even though it was suppose to be an English server. You have this with swedish, dutch, german, french, italian etc. players too, though I find that more often Russians do not speak English well and there are way more of them, making it a larger problem. Plus the cheat statistics...

I think it's better to make a Russian-language planetside 2 site, where you download a Russian planetside 2 client, which region-locks you to Russian servers. For those Russian players who speak English and PURPOSEFULLY desire to play on an English server can go to the English website and download the normal EU Client and play on EU servers without a problem.
I think those players who choose to play on English servers will speak good enough English and are of a different mentally, they will also join International outfits, mix in, etc.

Again I have nothing against Russians its just that it seems to always collide when you're in-game.



Then it looks like the Beta and the final game are the only things they could use. The FB app has shown me that balancing all the different empires will be hard (if it relates to the final game in anyway). I don't know how they will do it NC needs more people...

I'm not concerned with balance that much. In DAoC and PS1 simply having three empires balanced things out. If 1 empire is big, the other two smaller empires will tend to work together to take them down.

[Hobitt]

This kind of insults me NOT ALL RUSSIAN PLAYERS ARE @SSHOLES these stereotypes getting old then lets separate european servers on western eastern and south and american servers into north and south :mad:

[I SandRock]

This kind of insults me NOT ALL RUSSIAN PLAYERS ARE @SSHOLES these stereotypes getting old then lets separate european servers on western eastern and south and american servers into north and south :mad:

I don't think anyone is claiming that all Russians are assholes, at all. It just seems that the majority of Russian players in F2P games seem to not speak english and there is precedent for the claim they are more likely to exploit/hack. I understand it sucks when you are from russia and you speak English and play fair and square and you feel bunched in with the assholes of your country, but that's not the intention here.

It's also because those who speak english aren't seen as Russian (or french, german etc) but as English. You don't know what country of Europe i'm from either, because I'm speaking English. So perhaps it's more a case of Russian-speaking players rather than 'Russians'.

[Pella]

It gets heavy as SOE will have to release game updates/patches to separate clients. Then you need a translator. So they dont go running around in a max called a penis tree.

logistically it can be a pain in the arse. But im sure we will know soon enough.

[Hobitt]

I dont live in russia but russians are always labeled even in real life most of the time its not true. I want to say that players should not be labeled by race or nationality

[Vashyo]

I have no problems with them, but their english has been lacking from what I've seen in games like Men of War (half of playerbase in the game is rus, lol) or APB, about every 10th russian atleast understands english to some degree, but won't necessarily choose to speak it. So it's allways russians playing by themselves and everyone else playing together cause the communication doesn't work.

[Hobitt]

Just install Google translate in PS2 game chatbox problem solved.

No just no :D it will be horrible

[I SandRock]

It gets heavy as SOE will have to release game updates/patches to separate clients. Then you need a translator. So they dont go running around in a max called a penis tree.

logistically it can be a pain in the arse. But im sure we will know soon enough.

Well I guess the client could even be the same. Just make it a Russian-client as in it targets Russian servers. Or just Russian servers in the option menu could do the trick, I guess.


I dont live in russia but russians are always labeled even in real life most of the time its not true. I want to say that players should not be labeled by race or nationality


That would be politically correct but not statistically correct. When it's true that a majority of Russians do not speak English then you will have to label by nationality as that's the common factor.

[Pella]

Well I guess the client could even be the same. Just make it a Russian-client as in it targets Russian servers. Or just Russian servers in the option menu could do the trick, I guess.

It doesn't work like that. Files are stored on your PC. So when you download them they have to be Russian.

[I SandRock]

It doesn't work like that. Files are stored on your PC. So when you download them they have to be Russian.

It works like that in other games, you download the main client and it will download the language-pack you need.

But I meant that they didnt need a Russian-language client. Simply a Russian client, that targets russian servers. The rest of the client is the same ;)

Or simply Russian servers, should do the trick.

[Immigrant]

No language locks please! That would suck big time, however they should make EU (international - english) servers and national servers for big countries like Russia (russian), Germany (german), Spain (spanish) and France (french) in Europe. Speaking and typing in any language other than language official on that server should be punishable...a phrase or a word here and there should be tolerated but to use your mother language all the time on international servers should not be allowed.

[velleity]

British servers for British people. No continental mongrels please.

[capiqu]

I think people should be able to play what ever server they want regardless of language. So if Russians have their own servers but the most bad ass Russian outfit wants to try their skills on a European or an American server, why not?
They should be allowed.

Now lets say my Russian outfit with a few other Russian outfits or players decide to up the competition and try a Euro server. Since our outfits and players select a Russian only chat we will not annoy the other players that do not read Russian.

[capiqu]

British servers for British people. No continental mongrels please.

What a war on Europe in which the British have not taken part in. Thats's unheard of.

[Visperas]

I think Spain should have its own server. We are a bunch of dirty treacherous hackers and we deserve a server. Actually, my neighbourhood is a hell-hole full of hackers, a server just next door would be cool.

[NewSith]

Okay, ao we all agree that there should bw a Russian server, but Russian players should not be locked into it. Right?

[Immigrant]

Okay, ao we all agree that there should bw a Russian server, but Russian players should not be locked into it. Right?

No one should be locked up in regional server imo. That's just stupid.

[I SandRock]

Okay, ao we all agree that there should bw a Russian server, but Russian players should not be locked into it. Right?

Yeah. It should recommend or auto-select a Russian server but have a tiny little button in the bottom right corner that says "other servers" ;)

[ChargerCarl]

you western europeans should just play on the U.S. servers with us americans and (likely) the aussies. :)

[Coveringfire]

I played Star Wars: The Old Republic on release, me and my guild were placed on Tomb of Freedom Nadd(The devs placed guilds on certain servers to avoid over-population). Instead of sticking to their servers, the Russians, the Italians and the Spanish communities all decided to jump on this server making my time on the server thoroughly miserable as there was usually conversations in several different languages all going on at the same time in chat plus there were massive queues.

I really hope SOE give the Spanish, the Italians, the Russians etc. their own servers because otherwise they will flood English servers in large groups, and as soon as they mass in any sort of number then they stop talking in English and usually act rude & aggressive to those who are not of their nationality.

[Meriv]

I played Star Wars: The Old Republic on release, me and my guild were placed on Tomb of Freedom Nadd(The devs placed guilds on certain servers to avoid over-population). Instead of sticking to their servers, the Russians, the Italians and the Spanish communities all decided to jump on this server making my time on the server thoroughly miserable as there was usually conversations in several different languages all going on at the same time in chat plus there were massive queues.

I really hope SOE give the Spanish, the Italians, the Russians etc. their own servers because otherwise they will flood English servers in large groups, and as soon as they mass in any sort of number then they stop talking in English and usually act rude & aggressive to those who are not of their nationality.

You can get a server with spanish and latin america, a server for russian and east europe but no solution for italians there isn't enought pop.

[Envenom]

If they implement the auto VOIP for squads/vehicles etc... like they said they are, having multiple languages is going to be a nightmare.

They need language based severs.

[OutlawDr]

It would be better if they all would learn English :\...and English is not my native language. Segregating the community into little language pockets is not good for health of the games population and longevity. Of course since this is a F2P and looks to kick ass, low population won't be a problem for any server in the beginning and long while after I would think.

I really hope SOE give the Spanish, the Italians, the Russians etc. their own servers because otherwise they will flood English servers in large groups, and as soon as they mass in any sort of number then they stop talking in English and usually act rude & aggressive to those who are not of their nationality.

Honestly, from what I've seen (and you can just go off the tone of the thread for an indication) the same is afforded to them. People get annoyed when someone else doesn't speak their language. Non-English speakers often get chastised for not speaking English (again, this thread) or even for not speaking it well. Its no wonder language groups huddle together and lash out. Not saying its all one sides fault, but it takes two to tango in this case.

[Pride]

Honestly I wouldn't mind an EU West/Eu East split like in League.

In my experience Russians bring a lot of problems to the table, high ping, the language barrier and a lack of willingness to participate with the Western Europe community being just a few. I think both them and the west would appreciate such an intervention. Saying that however there is a minority that do like to integrate with us western folk, that speak English and want to communicate. SOE should avoid forcing them onto the East server but the option should definitely exist for those that want it.

[Meriv]

If they implement the auto VOIP for squads/vehicles etc... like they said they are, having multiple languages is going to be a nightmare.

They need language based severs.

It will be a funny nightmare, i already imagine myself screaming RIght! or LEFT! in 3-4 languages lol

[I SandRock]

Honestly, from what I've seen (and you can just go off the tone of the thread for an indication) the same is afforded to them. People get annoyed when someone else doesn't speak their language. Non-English speakers often get chastised for not speaking English (again, this thread) or even for not speaking it well. Its no wonder language groups huddle together and lash out. Not saying its all one sides fault, but it takes two to tango in this case.

Hmm this isn't really a fair comparison. I'm dutch, that's my native language, yet I have the decency to speak English in public, even when there are other dutch people in my group. If they want to speak dutch to me I tell them they can whisper me. It's simple decency. If somebody speaks broken english to me I don't complain or mock them I respect their effort. Yet it seems a lot of these people can only speak english when they want to insult you ;)

English is simply the 'language of the internet'. They huddle together, they aren't forced to. I've seen a 12 year old swedish boy speak english and interact in an international guild just fine with his broken english.
It's fine if you want to be in a nationalist guild/outfit and speak that language among them just have the decency to use English in public chat.

But the problem isn't small pockets, a few outfits, it's when 40%+ of a server is one nationality that doesn't speak English that it leads to problems for the other 'half'. And with Russians being such a huge playerbase in F2P games there will definitely be at least one server which has a majority of Russian players once it becomes the 'unofficial' russian server. To prevent that, SOE needs to have Russian servers from the start. Otherwise you going to end up alienating a large part of a server which has to go and reroll on a new server to have a normal game experience..

[Stew]

yes they should !

[Blackwolf]

What gave you the idea to make this complete rubbish up.

Russian players are amongst the words best online gamers next to the Koreans. Big flight e-sports are dominated by Russians.

APB was hacked to hell by all players. Not just Russians.

And more to the point Russians should be welcomed on the European servers with a local client.

Not to be rude or disrespectful, I happen to like Russians. But I think the language barrier is a bit much to tolerate.

I hate it when people spam chat of any kind with information I can't read. And being an ignorant heathen bastard that I am, I never studied a second language. So having seperate servers based on language would, in my opinion, be awesome.

How Russians play and what they choose to do? I don't care. They are players and players all play the same to me. What they say, however, makes a difference to me.

[Galapogos]

I don't think servers should be based on language. Hopefully the mission system will be simple enough to understand that it will help coordinate players regardless of what language they speak. This would not solve the problem of Russian outfits isolating themselves, but the grief system should keep tking to a minimum, and I doubt that Russians will be able to hack and get away with it any easier than anyone else, unless Russians are the best hackers in the world.

[metziih]

It would be nice if the servers were language based.

[TeaLeaf]

I reckon the russians should have their own server. For the simple reason that a large portion of russians don't or won't speak english, while almost everyone in western europe will be using it as the "common" language and none of us speak russian.

I'm not sure how much truth their is to the reputations of Russians being slightly unpleasant online but the language barrier plus geography and population issues means it's just easier to give them their own server(s).

I'm sure there will be loads of servers anyway, each one can only support like 12000 players so I can easily see at least 5 or 6 in europe.

[HenchAnt]

Speakers of Germanic languages invariably cheat and talk funny. Especially Frisian. Hope those bastards get their own Frisian-only ghetto server instead of crapping up my comms with their animal grunting.

Who cares about Frisians. Get the Bavarians to a ghetto server. Biergartens and Weißwursts might clash with Sci-fi immersion. (And ensure the Swiss get on the German Server, but have to play VS: "Wer hat's erfunden? Die VS!") :D

On a more serious note: I want my battles massive, so I hope the servers to be as big as possible. So the more nations on a server, the merrier. ;)

There are quite a few nationalities that have a tendency to cling together and talk their language in public chat, especially once a certain treshold of players is reached. On the WoT EU server for example, the French, Polish and Germans are notorious for this.
It`s no surprise that given the the number of people from Russian language states, "Russians" reach this treshold sooner (about 300 Million in former sowjet states, compared to about 80 Million Germans, 60 Million French and 40 Million Poles). But it's simply not a "Russian problem".

And given the positive experience with Werner or Eve Online, I don't see a problem. In the end, it comes down to how strong the international community is for a game. For Planetside2, a lot will depend on communication between outfits - on the forums, and during the game.
A negative example would be WoT, where the community is quite fractured, and the game gives no incentive to cross language barriers to work together.

[Figment]

I wouldn't want to EXCLUDE anyone from any server, however, it's possible that a Russian server wouldn't be an entirely bad idea. Primarily for ping reasons.



However, I'd also point you to World of Tanks. Unfortunately in that game, it turned out that Russians can be extremely territorial, more so than other nationalities: a lot of the younger, more immature Russians seem extremely nationalistic and consider the test server to be Russian Only, team killing anyone with the automatic EU tag. Now, that's not the majority of Russians, but it's a more significant percentage than for others. The question is, do they act like this because they're more self-centered, or because they never experienced an international community and in some cases have a poor grasp of English? I'd say it's a little bit of all. You could see it in PS1 with the Russian outfits being quite nationalistic and reclusive in setup compared to other outfits. There were definitely individuals you'd have contact with, but as a group (like the CN) they kinda... stuck to themselves.


Similarly, a larger group of eastern European players (former Warschau pakt countries) have a different internet etiquette from western players, who have more experience in online gaming and participating in an international community (especially goes for the young players who only recently got full access to the net). These people seem more focused on their own language and countrymen and more 'nationality aware' it seems, which is probably a recent history thing. Only been a generation or two since they were free from Russian dominance, after all.

Again, this doesn't go for all by far, but I've never heard a Dutch or Belgian person yell in chat that they're not going to learn English unless the English learn Dutch. I have however, on many occassions heard Polish, Czech, Hungarian and Romenian players yell in broken English that people should learn their language if they're to communicate, because they won't have another language colonising or dominating their language or impose on them (read: like Russian tried before), next to simply ignoring other people and talking in public in the own language which to many is considered rude behaviour (they don't seem to realise that though). So that was an unexpected experience to me anyway, certainly on a relatively regular basis.

It doesn't occur to them that the sole reason English is prefered is because 90% of Europeans at least comprehends it, opposed to a lower percentage of people that know German and even less that know French. Have however seen matches predominantly spoken in German.

Every single World of Tank match, you hear people go "siemka", "Cz?" or "Serb?" and if they find a countryman they'll go "blablabla :D" in their own language. Great if it were /tells, not so great if it is /comallplayers or /comallfriendlies. It can be annoying and distracting and it's very bad for communication, community unity and teamwork. (sometimes feels like the Tower of Babel in WoT).

In that sense VoiP could get quite funny with all the languages involved.

[Dreamcast]

It will be cool if Planetside put a google translater app on the game so we can understand other languages.

[HenchAnt]

It will be cool if Planetside put a google translater app on the game so we can understand other languages.

Given that Planetside2 will use voice chat, I doubt that current translator software will be of much use. ;)

[Figment]

Given that Planetside2 will use voice chat, I doubt that current translator software will be of much use. ;)

Get us some Universal Translators then from STO.

[PrISM]

Let the Chinese and Russians have their own server for their giant clusterfuck of terrible.

[Meriv]

I advice to start looking for language officers :rofl:

I agree with Wot being a babel tower that creates problems but it gets a bit solved with the signals over the map (like lol) , plus real stats mode help a lot because you won't need to tell to the guy to do x thing because he will know what to do in his role if he has the right stats(you will just signal him the coordinates).

you will recognize when there is a bad player(the stats color all players name depending how good he is)/that sometimes has a language barrier so you move yourself too cover his errors /help him; being able to draw the map will help a lot unless he is a stunborn player that won't cooperate at all (and that is the problem I fear, not a language barrier but a cultural one under the shape of nationalism)

[Jikkan]

Shouldn't there be servers local to Russia just for the ping issues alone?

I believe most Russians would prefer to play on a local server with better ping and no language barrier, as long as there are enough local servers.

And those Russians who would rather play with the EU community should be able to do so, at the cost of higher ping because of the distance to the EU servers.

I am using Russians as an example specifically because they have such a huge presence in the gaming community. They definitely justify local servers so that they can enjoy the game with low ping.

For EU I suspect the servers will all be at the same physical location but you could designate language groups for them. Though there would be no ping advantage for non-english players to play on their own language server, they would have the advantage of being able to communicate with their team much easier. Again, if a player wants to play on a different server he should be able to.

Minority non-english language groups would still be shafted by this system. I don't have a solution to that.

[NewSith]

Let the Chinese and Russians have their own server for their giant clusterfuck of terrible.

LOL, one of the reasons Russian youngsters being nationalistic is you.

(and that is the problem I fear, not a language barrier but a cultural one under the shape of nationalism)

Bullseye to you and Figgy. The exact problem with Russian youth is the growing nationalistic commotion inside the country. I really like the reaction of my kin when...

Now let me elaborate: most of the Rus nationalism IRL is aimed at Caucassians that are slowly starting to flood the streets of western Russian cities, creating diaspora and suspiciaously easily getting onto high places and winning/avoiding lawsuits. The catalyst for the growth of country's nationalism was the Murder of Egor Sviridov and the Aftermath (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Murder_of_Egor_Sviridov).

...they accuse Caucassians of gathering in national closed groups and using their own language instead of Russian, while they themselves do the same in Europe.

[p0intman]

Niet.

[Jikkan]

USA have a large gaming community too should we exclude Canada and Latin America from it? No. If you want the Russians to play nice, you have to play with them. Give it time. Online gaming is still very new.

I haven't talked about excluding anyone. I specifically said no region locks.

[Meriv]

USA have a large gaming community too should we exclude Canada and Latin America from it? No. If you want the Russians to play nice, you have to play with them. Give it time. Online gaming is still very new.

edit: sorry I was writing while you writed on no server lock with what I agree.

:rofl: idk if you notified but your two biggest states has a 35% of spanish speakers? Plus all the italo-americans that understand it with no problem, and latin america doesn't have cultural enimosity, have you read the wot post with russian doing tk because you are european? The relation between canada and Us is quite different from the one that ukranian and polish have with the russian.

And as conseguence of Monroe philosofy of "America to the americans" (pls understand the double meaning of it) all america is Us centered culturaly.

something quite hard to understand from a portuguese to a russian the cultural difference are too big.

[Sabot]

Always had problems with Russians in almost every MMO and online game. NEVER had any problems with anyone that was speaking russian in PS1 (somone might have been from there, but then at least he did speak english :P). You'll have bad apples from all nationalities, obviously. But as long as they can avoid the use of a language half the server doesn't understand while spkeaing to to rest of the server, and can avoid using the general or continent chat to just... scream in russian for no reason, as they do... I see no problem with russians hanging out with the rest of EU, and the only reason for havigng Russian servers would be for the market.

If there's anyone I feel bad for it's the US players that'll have to put up with Brazillians. Worst community of players I've ever seen... and they lurk in F2P games like weed in the woods.

[Meriv]

There's plenty of cultural fuckery in America. How many times we've all heard ****** this ****** that. But lets get all Sigmund Freud and say if we didnt want to play with each other. We wouldnt be playing online in the first place. It's just words, and like I said you will find Russians who will teardown that wall (Reagan) and start playing with you. Even if you Polish! :eek:

First I am not polish second I just don't want this game to end up like a way to express hate(as happens in other games) and I just have no idea of how to deal with the problem but putting down ideas somehow could help the devs.

What do you think will happen if in X server there will be a polish majority in Vs and a Russian one in TR do you think that the feeling of the game will stay the same?

And for America topic:
Wow then while living in 3 different countries in America I must have missed them ( I mean big pots of hate as you see in some European countries, take Croatia for example until 2008 no Italian could have bought a house property in the country by law enforcement and idk if it is still like that and we are just 100 km away, I can make a lot more examples) I didn't said that I wanted a lock for Russian players I just want to find a way to not play with brainwashed(of which ever nationality, or political idea ) ppl that will do me more damage than cooperating while playing.

And I am not making a generalization because I know that there are Russian like the Politkovskaja for whom I just can't put in words my admiration.

[MrMorton]

no, it is completely ridiculous for anyone else besides Americans to have their own server.


but seriously I don't see why not

[Meriv]

Server lock won't work i just hope devs finds a solution (not much for tk but for the feeling in general)

I will just take some post because this doesn't happen just to us eu players

NA player in test server, i call that a fear state ("don't talk to anybody")
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It's pretty trendy most parts of the world to dislike America. WoT is bascially interactive internet, and the internet has a lot of people...well...who are stupid on it.

Mix it all together and you get players who think teamkilling NA server (or EU server, or other RUS server) players is a good idea. Just follow these simple steps.

1 - Dont' talk to anyone. Just don't even if they speak english, or seem nice....just dont' respond. (only exception is if they help you out, say thanks)
2 - Don't fire back. It's test server, it doesn't matter, thats one of the reasons they're shooting you in the first place.
3 - Save a recording, or take a bunch of screenshots, then send a support ticket.
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At the same time you get post like this

In one case i had a russian guy defend me from another russian and he started to insult his fellow comrade.It was really nice of him,
but then you got the cases where you just have your whole team shot you 30 seconds in the game and start insulting you for being an "American"

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Just google "wot tk russian" and you will understand the proportion.

[Immigrant]

mean big pots of hate as you see in some European countries, take Croatia for example until 2008 no Italian could have bought a house property in the country by law enforcement and idk if it is still like that and we are just 100 km away, I can make a lot more examples

Oh come on frogger! :lol: Stop saying uniformed rubbish. Croats had same treatment by Italy up until April 2006, Croatia issued changes to their legislative that same year (thing are way slower here when it comes to changing and implementing laws) and I believe it was fully done in 2008.

That's not proof of hate, I believe we get along with Italians pretty well considering italian fisherman still make illegal incursion into fishing zones belonging to Croatia. Also italian territorial pretensions towards croatian coast were always known and still live among right wing parties there - so please clean up the junk in front of your doorstep first.

Anyway taking that as an example of major hate coming from a man living in a country that deports Roma en masse like cattle is really ridiculous.

[Meriv]

Oh come on frogger! :lol: Stop saying uniformed rubbish. Croats had same treatment by Italy up until April 2006, Croatia issued changes to their legislative that same year (thing are way slower here when it comes to changing and implementing laws) and I believe it was fully done in 2008.

That's not proof of hate, I believe we get along with Italians pretty well considering italian fisherman still make illegal incursion into fishing zones belonging to Croatia. Also italian territorial pretensions towards croatian coast were always known and still live among right wing parties there - so please clean up the junk in front of your doorstep first.

Anyway taking that as an example of major hate coming from a man living in a country that deports Roma en masse like cattle is really ridiculous.

Yeah i was saying it was in both sides don't worry and i never said i agree.

Edith: it is better if you use ******* in place of Romani because outside europe the name is not used a lot

[I SandRock]

I don't think PS1 will be representative for PS2 in regards to nationalities. PS1 was a 'niche' game and subscription based. Not many people knew about it and not many people were willing to pay a monthly fee for games.
So you would attract more classic 'MMO' players. DAoC's community can't be compared to the WoW community for instance either. DAoC was a lot more friendlier and thrustworthy. You could give a ton of in-game cash to a random person to transfer to your other alts and 99% chance they wouldn't scam you. Just an example.

But times change and the model of this game has changed. Where Russians-speakers were a minority in PS1 and thus couldn't even really have a large negative impact, you can count on it they will flock to Planetside 2 by the masses. THIS will create an entirely different situation. Especially due to the F2P model of Planetside 2 which opens it up to people from all walks of life.
A better comparison is WoW, SWTOR or APB.
The first two were large popular games that attracted players worldwide. The amount of Russians (Hungarians were the same actually) in the game overall was quite small but enough for them to unofficially hijack a server (Warsong) outcasting every English player on there and not allowing anyone who wasn't (RUS) to join groups. You couldn't even understand anything said in general chat after a few months.

Or compare it to APB:R where Russians would be offensive to English speakers and were statistically twice as likely to use hacks. (F2P game).


The idyllic situation of Planetside 1 is over. It's important there is a Russian server at the launch of Planetside 2 so that those who who wish to speak Russian can go there (voluntarily) and those more international focused members such as we had in Planetside 1 will still be able to choose an English-speaking server. In which repetitive use of foreign languages in public chat should be reportable and give a warning - temp ban.

[Maarvy]

I think there is a case for English, German, French and Russian speaking servers. On the old Planetside it would never have worked because it simply wasn’t popular enough, but I don’t think that’ll be the case for PS2.

Theres no case for separate french/english/german servers , EU servers are always less populated than NA servers , spliting EU up even further is beyond dumb .

you sir are talking out of your backside .

Regarding russinas in apb ... Fuck apb it's anti cheat / anti hack team are a joke . They post there "stats" and "ban list" every few month to make it look like there pro active but there basicly not .

P.S Russians are some of my favorite guilds to fight in conquest based mmo's

Respect to HOE + Russ corp

[I SandRock]

Theres no case for separate french/english/german servers , EU servers are always less populated than NA servers , spliting EU up even further is beyond dumb .


We are talking PS2 here, not PS1. Recent MMOs show that there is actually a major demand for german and french servers and they get filled up, several of them in fact.

Just because a hack team is inactive or inefficient it doesn't change the difference between Russians or americans in hacking numbers. Or how English-speaking and russian-speaking collide in the game.

[Immigrant]

Yeah i was saying it was in both sides don't worry and i never said i agree.

Edit: it is better if you use ******* in place of Romani because outside europe the name is not used a lot

Actually you didn't say that. Nationalism has always been and still is a plague upon Europe, and unfortunately every country has it's share of fools... We should unite like States at one point in future if we want to remain a world factor and not just a bunch of bickering states... imagine first United States of Europe... and soon after that a worldwide Terran Confederacy/Republic. :lol: :trrocks:

Term ***** is considered derogatory here... they prefer to be called Roma.

Edit: It's edit not Edith Piaf, I'm Grammar Nazy too. ;)

[I SandRock]

European Union is almost falling apart due to the economic crisis, I don't see a European state happening anytime soon :P But I'm derailing now..

Add Russian servers at launch and people can choose what they want ;) Or English and non-English servers..

[Meriv]

Actually you didn't say that. Nationalism has always been and a plague upon Europe, and unfortunately every country has it's share of fools... We should unite like States at one point in future if we want to remain a world factor and not just a bunch of bickering states... imagine first United States of Europe... and soon after that a worldwide Terran Confederacy/Republic. :lol: :trrocks:

Term ***** is considered derogatory here... they prefer to be called Roma.

Edit: It's edit not Edith Piaf, I'm Grammar Nazy too. ;)

I know it it is a derogatory term, and the italian-spanish word is Rom but since i have lived outside Europe i know that not everybody knows the word and you are forced to use the classical stereotype even if it is a bad one.

And thanks for the correction but it was a simple tying error.

Edit: And for the European union falling apart, we will emerge more united than before because if we don't get more united then it is a bye bye Europe economical first/cultural after.

NOT STARTING ANY POLITICAL/ETNIC post .

[Cobalt]

God damnit, don't start me on the *******...

[Maarvy]

People are making a big deal over what language someone speaks .

I've never found it a problem through a decade of playing on EU mmo servers , Starting on UO drachanefells onwards .

Is it realy offensive to people that someone use's there own language in open/global or there own closed guild chat ? ...

Too many choices isnt always a good thing players get used to playing on one server .

If they game isnt popular in lets say Outer Mongolia and you rolled your Avatar on "MONG1" and invested x amount of hours before the mediocre player base dwindeled out your gona be pretty pissed .

^ Being ridiculous of course .... But yeah no language specific servers IMO

[NEWSKIS]

My only experience with a decent amount of Russian players is on the World of Tanks test server. There they berate and TK people with EU or US at the end of their name for where they're from. Dont ask me why, but the russians in world of tanks are complete douchebags to everyone not from russia. It might just be that game, at least I'm hoping it is.

[Tarpeda]

Separate Russian server from one side is good, because I will not to play with some chauvinistic idiots like topic starter, and from other side is bad because I won't be able to play with good guys like Mercs. And considering this two options I would rather tolerate playing with idiots and enjoy playing with good guys.

And on serious note, there will be no Russian server because player base will be very small. Also don't compare with WoT, WoT had huge promo campaign including TV ads on national channels in prime time. PS2 has no media coverage at all in Russia, even publisher of PS1 in Russia (Akella) will go bankrupt soon.

Oh, and it seems not only me will have to tolerate these chauvinistic idiots, but they will have to tolerate me as well; and when I imagine these butt-hurting faces I just can't stop laughing :rofl:

[super pretendo]

Please give Brazilians their own portugese servers. They are a gigantic country anyway.

[Meriv]

Separate Russian server from one side is good, because I will not to play with some chauvinistic idiots like topic starter, and from other side is bad because I won't be able to play with good guys like Mercs. And considering this two options I would rather tolerate playing with idiots and enjoy playing with good guys.

And on serious note, there will be no Russian server because player base will be very small. Also don't compare with WoT, WoT had huge promo campaign including TV ads on national channels in prime time. PS2 has no media coverage at all in Russia, even publisher of PS1 in Russia (Akella) will go bankrupt soon.

Oh, and it seems not only me will have to tolerate these chauvinistic idiots, but they will have to tolerate me as well; and when I imagine these butt-hurting faces I just can't stop laughing :rofl:

Thanks for info :) and for the different point of view, i didn't understood quite well which server you will join(EU no?). I wanted to ask some info. There is almost zero coverage of PS2 so if you had to guess do you think there will be a lot of pop from Russia?? PS2 will get some Wot pop? It will attract the same kind of player that you find in Wot test server(TK ones )? And what do you think of them?

Thanks in advance

[Tarpeda]

Thanks for info :) and for the different point of view, i didn't understood quite well which server you will join(EU no?). I wanted to ask some info. There is almost zero coverage of PS2 so if you had to guess do you think there will be a lot of pop from Russia?? PS2 will get some Wot pop? It will attract the same kind of player that you find in Wot test server(TK ones )?

There are 2 sites that write about PS2: one is major gaming portal (goha.ru) and our fan-site (ps2-ru.com). Audience on both of these sites is mostly PS1 players, and if there will be no additional effort from SOE it will be not larger that PS1 Russian pop (plus some part of social network of PS1 players). And of course, if PS2 will become really popular in the world it will attract much more Russian players. WoT players most probably will move to MechWarrior online, not PS2.
As for "quality" of player base, it will be the same as it was in PS1, usual Gaussian distribution with major part of casual zerg, minor part of hard-core players and another minor part of abusers.


And what do you think of them?

They are idiots, all of them. Idiotism is inner state of human being (and other complex animals) and has nothing to do with nationality or even language. Have you even saw stupid cats, they don't have nationality, but still behave like stupid cats :rofl:

[razor851]

Russia should be nuked.

[IHateMMOs]

So much hate for our people, when it's you Americans that should make separate servers for us. Eastern Europe has a LOT of gamers, they should be accounted for just as much as everyone else. If you don't like them than just don't play with them. And I did play APB, I remember that they were assholes, but its not like the rest of the APB community were saints. The entire APB community is full of trolls/hackers. I'm reading through some very shallow replies right now. Shame on you, Planetsiders, you're better than this.

[Lazaruz]

From a different forum..

http://i.imgur.com/NKVE6.png

[Mastachief]

It's purely the russian hax kiddies i'm concerned about(it's a whole culture for them). Language isn't and issue really nor is pop provided the servers cannot be over popped

[Hobitt]

The original comic is with barzilians

[NewSith]

It's purely the russian hax kiddies i'm concerned about(it's a whole culture for them). Language isn't and issue really nor is pop provided the servers cannot be over popped

Actually it's vice versa. Because "that site" had waaaaaaaaaaay more replies in Enlish, than you think.



It's not the "hack kiddies", but primarily -the language barrier that tends to lead to misunderstanding and stereotyping. I mean, do you think Russians are not as intolerable to cheats as EU? Obviously they aren't. *sarcasm*

[Mastachief]

Actually it's vice versa. Because "that site" had waaaaaaaaaaay more replies in Enlish, than you think.



It's not the "hack kiddies", but primarily -the language barrier that tends to lead to misunderstanding and stereotyping. I mean, do you think Russians are not as intolerable to cheats as EU? Obviously they aren't.

Oh that "site" of course had a majority english language speaking response, but then planetside was pretty much below radar PS2 however is a free to play game that you yourself say attracts these russian hax kiddies. Of course Russians like your self newsith are intolerant of cheats which is great it is just sad that games like apb were destroyed by these.... twats. Perhaps the language difference makes it more difficult to understand when someone is cheating as it can slow down the reporting process.

But with the no global command style chat i don't see the issue with text language. Perhaps the mission system could be broken.

[Figment]

So much hate for our people, when it's you Americans that should make separate servers for us. Eastern Europe has a LOT of gamers, they should be accounted for just as much as everyone else. If you don't like them than just don't play with them. And I did play APB, I remember that they were assholes, but its not like the rest of the APB community were saints. The entire APB community is full of trolls/hackers. I'm reading through some very shallow replies right now. Shame on you, Planetsiders, you're better than this.

If you want to claim that Russians (on a group level, not individual level) behave the same way as other nationalities then you either aren't critical, don't have a lot of experience or don't really perceive differences. Probably the latter since you said "you Americans" even if the most critical players regarding Russians here are Europeans and Russians with first hand experience.

Because there are definitely notable differences between attitudes of players with different nationalities. Russians, Polish, Balkan nations and Czech simply stand out amongst the crowd, while scandinavians, british & irish, dutch & flemish, germans & austrians, canadians and (democrat...?) Americans and even french do not, because you have no difficulty identifying the first group while the latter is more uniform as an internet community with shared standards.

One thing is the vastly increased use of national tags. Others use them, but not to the same degree: how many -DK, -SWE, -BE or DE have you seen in comparison with -PL and -RUS?

[NewSith]

Russia should be nuked.

In Sovi... the Modern World Russia nukes you.

[Tarpeda]

It's purely the russian hax kiddies i'm concerned about(it's a whole culture for them). Language isn't and issue really nor is pop provided the servers cannot be over popped

Yes, yes, we have special hax0rs courses in elementary schools, here in Russia. :rofl:

[Mastachief]

Yes, yes, we have special hax0rs courses in elementary schools, here in Russia. :rofl:


Exactly ;)

[NewSith]

Perhaps the language difference makes it more difficult to understand when someone is cheating as it can slow down the reporting process.

It makes Russians stand out, that's all there is to it. For example - Pant who plays BF3 and have seen sheeploads of hackers there will not emphasize the hacker origin, unless he's Russian.

As one guy said to me on a separate forum - if somebody doesn't like, you attract attention to your falls, whether you want it or not.

EDIT: But 'nuff of this, I'm off to university. (Of Ioann The Cheater IV)

[Fara]

Truth be told it was nice being all on "One" European server, simply because everyone played there (duh, but no re-rolls is nice).

If PS2 becomes as popular as we hope it to be then we'll probably split into multiple servers which is meh, because then we have to go to all the effort to make sure everyone we played with in PS1 and all the new ppl we've introduced to PS2 play on the same EU server >.<

That being said, if SOE belives there is a large enough market in Russia for its own distributor, you never know we may never see a Russian.

[Mastachief]

It makes Russians stand out, that's all there is to it. For example - Pant who plays BF3 and have seen sheeploads of hackers there will not emphasize the hacker origin, unless he's Russian.

As one guy said to me on a separate forum - if somebody doesn't like, you attract attention to your falls, whether you want it or not.

EDIT: But 'nuff of this, I'm off to university. (Of Ioann The Cheater IV)

Ah i get you, the stereotype has arisen due to russian (as a language) being a big flag and thus everyone instantly know the hackers country of origin and thus brands all russian as hackers?

Not what i was getting at but i get you. Of course hacking is a world wide I really do not just think its just Russians my concerns arise from your (and admittedly pant's) comments in teamspeak.

[Mastachief]

Truth be told it was nice being all on "One" European server, simply because everyone played there (duh, but no re-rolls is nice).

If PS2 becomes as popular as we hope it to be then we'll probably split into multiple servers which is meh, because then we have to go to all the effort to make sure everyone we played with in PS1 and all the new ppl we've introduced to PS2 play on the same EU server >.<

That being said, if SOE belives there is a large enough market in Russia for its own distributor, you never know we may never see a Russian.

Fingers crossed for many many european servers, hopefully with one called werner based in amsterdam that we can flock to.

[ChargerCarl]

It's not the "hack kiddies", but primarily -the language barrier that tends to lead to misunderstanding and stereotyping. I mean, do you think Russians are not as intolerable to cheats as EU? Obviously they aren't. *sarcasm*

Actually I think it has more to do with the statistics kept by people like punkbuster who ban a ridiculous amount of russian players (given their population size)

statistically, the US should lead since we have the largest population of any of the big gaming countries. however i'm pretty sure the russians blow us away. i know many european BF servers (and US ones too to a smaller extent) that ban all IP's from russia because of how bad the problem is.

[IHateMMOs]

If you want to claim that Russians (on a group level, not individual level) behave the same way as other nationalities then you either aren't critical, don't have a lot of experience or don't really perceive differences. Probably the latter since you said "you Americans" even if the most critical players regarding Russians here are Europeans and Russians with first hand experience.

Because there are definitely notable differences between attitudes of players with different nationalities. Russians, Polish, Balkan nations and Czech simply stand out amongst the crowd, while scandinavians, british & irish, dutch & flemish, germans & austrians, canadians and (democrat...?) Americans and even french do not, because you have no difficulty identifying the first group while the latter is more uniform as an internet community with shared standards.

One thing is the vastly increased use of national tags. Others use them, but not to the same degree: how many -DK, -SWE, -BE or DE have you seen in comparison with -PL and -RUS?

I have a good experience playing with russians, in many games from APB to Global Agenda, I'm russian myself, the only difference I could tell between russians and others is that some russian gamers are smokers and have to take a smoke break every 30 minute, but other than that, they are very similar when it comes to games. They worked as teams when I played Global Agenda a while ago, and they were super hardcore. Culturally they may be different, they might act differently, but when it comes to gaming, they're the same. If we just embrace them rather than pushing them away, maybe we can learn new tactics from one another.

[Tarpeda]

Actually I think it has more to do with the statistics kept by people like punkbuster who ban a ridiculous amount of russian players (given their population size)

statistically, the US should lead since we have the largest population of any of the big gaming countries. however i'm pretty sure the russians blow us away. i know many european BF servers (and US ones too to a smaller extent) that ban all IP's from russia because of how bad the problem is.

Good Sir, could you prove your words with proper link? If not, would you be so kind to STFU :rofl:

[Rabb]

I don't see this being much of a problem. Once the server names are announced it will be like other games where a quick look on the forums will show that there is already a server picked to be the unofficial rus server or what ever language they want. Things have a way of sorting them selves out people just need to chill out and let it happen.

[ChargerCarl]

Good Sir, could you prove your words with proper link? If not, would you be so kind to STFU :rofl:

this is for BF2 in 2010

http://img375.imageshack.us/img375/9715/pbbans.png

[Toppopia]

But we need the good ol former commies to help us lead the zerg, they know how to do it. Like in WWII, without them our zergs will fail.

[Figment]

I have a good experience playing with russians, in many games from APB to Global Agenda, I'm russian myself, the only difference I could tell between russians and others is that some russian gamers are smokers and have to take a smoke break every 30 minute, but other than that, they are very similar when it comes to games. They worked as teams when I played Global Agenda a while ago, and they were super hardcore. Culturally they may be different, they might act differently, but when it comes to gaming, they're the same. If we just embrace them rather than pushing them away, maybe we can learn new tactics from one another.

We are talking about two different things: I talk about social behaviour, you talk about gaming capacity. On that I agree. Socially though, Eastern Europeans, including Russians have a very different mentality: they actually more often care about who they play with. Or rather, who they do not want to play with. :/

Westerners could care less about where you are from and will judge on an individual basis, a lot of younger Russians act more hostile towards foreigners. You can ignore that but since you are Russian - and don't have this attitude - you may not notice it.

If you would get tk'ed by Russians only just for having a tag called EU or US, you would feel differently. Like the CN vs US tk wars on Markov. It was unfathomable for that to happen on Werner.

[Hobitt]

But we need the good ol former commies to help us lead the zerg, they know how to do it. Like in WWII, without them our zergs will fail.

Ofcourse comrade we will have a special outfit of commisars to execute everyone who retreats and yell glorious propoganda and bear cavalary
stereotypes.jpg :D

[Toppopia]

Ofcourse comrade we will have a special outfit of commisars to execute everyone who retreats and yell glorious propoganda and bear cavalary
stereotypes.jpg :D

Yes!! We can't forget the amazing bears. And we need galaxies to drop the bears. I would so want a cert to instead of carry maxes, have it carry 10 bears into battle. No one can beat that!!

[Rabb]

Ofcourse comrade we will have a special outfit of commisars to execute everyone who retreats and yell glorious propoganda and bear cavalary
stereotypes.jpg :D

Lol this is not just a Russian thing. I'm English I've been known to execute my squad m8's for various reasons, retreating being one of them. General insubordination being another.

[Hobitt]

Lol this is not just a Russian thing. I'm English I've been known to execute my squad m8's for various reasons, retreating being one of them. General insubordination being another.

Is retreating an actual tactic in planetside? it probably is the first in game history!

[Rabb]

Is retreating an actual tactic in planetside? it probably is the first in game history!

I think most would call it a tactical withdrawal sounds less cowardly that way.

[Toppopia]

I think most would call it a tactical withdrawal sounds less cowardly that way.

Ahem. Tactical Advance In Opposite Direction of Enemy.

[Figment]

Lulling the enemy in a false sense of domination and glorious supremacy, eventually leading to their downfall as once at their top they can only go down from there!

[I SandRock]

Tarpedia you set a nice example, being hostile and swearing at everyone who disagrees with you. Even when proof is given.

[Rabb]

Actually I think it has more to do with the statistics kept by people like punkbuster who ban a ridiculous amount of russian players (given their population size)

statistically, the US should lead since we have the largest population of any of the big gaming countries. however i'm pretty sure the russians blow us away. i know many european BF servers (and US ones too to a smaller extent) that ban all IP's from russia because of how bad the problem is.

This is not just in gaming. At work I have IP ban's on my firewalls for Russian Federation, Jordan, Serbia, Romainia, Tajikistan and Brazil due to the number of hack attempts coming form these countries to our websites.

[Figment]

In Sovi... the Modern World Russia nukes you.

Or in WoT terms when relating to the SU-14/Object 261:
"In soviet Russia, barn shoots you." :)

[Tarpeda]

Tarpedia you set a nice example, being hostile and swearing at everyone who disagrees with you. Even when proof is given.
Please pay attention that you keep overgeneralizing. I don't see any one here who disagrees with me, how can I be hostile to nobody? :rofl:
Well, I do think that you are chauvinistic idiot, but it's not hostile or swearing, it's just declaration of the fact in a way you can understand it.

As for proof, I asked them in very polite manner and checking it myself, because "proof" was just a picture from some random Steam forum guy. I will inform you on results of my investigation, but it will take some time for sure.

[I SandRock]

Yeah what you consider polite is obviously different from me, which is precisely what I was getting at :)

Anyway..
Just saw this on Pro7's FAQ:
Which European territories will be included under this new partnership between SOE and ProSiebenSat.1 Games?
SOE has secured a multi-year partnership with ProSiebenSat.1 Games Group to distribute eight online U.S.-based games in more than 40 European territories, including Albania, Andorra, Austria, Belgium, Bosnia and Herzegovina, Bulgaria, Croatia, Cyprus, Czech Republic, Denmark, Estonia, Finland, France, Germany, Greece, Hungary, Iceland, Ireland, Italy, Latvia, Liechtenstein, Lithuania, Luxembourg, Macedonia, Malta, Monaco, Montenegro, Netherlands, Norway, Poland, Portugal, Romania, San Marino, Serbia, Slovakia, Slovenia, Spain, Sweden, Switzerland, Turkey, and the United Kingdom. Other countries may be added later.

No russia in there, I wonder what that means though.. I mean you can just download Planetside 2 and play it right? Or are they going to block IPs from other countries? Not provide support to them? Just no marketing there?

[Ghoest9]

I play game with Russians(EVE and WOT) - in general they dont play like North Americans and Western Europeans.

Their best players tend to be really good and play in ultra tight unit/guilds usually with a nationalistic chip on their shoulder.

Their average players ten to be more aggressive than other countries.

But they run the whole gamut of personalities like everyone else. Im currently in a mostly Russian corp in EVE that happens to be extremely laid back.

[NewSith]

Yeah what you consider polite is obviously different from me, which is precisely what I was getting at :)

Anyway..
Just saw this on Pro7's FAQ:


No russia in there, I wonder what that means though.. I mean you can just download Planetside 2 and play it right? Or are they going to block IPs from other countries? Not provide support to them? Just no marketing there?

Means Russia will get European support instead of its own. Kinda logical, considering that, on this side of the continent, Germany has the most hate towards Russia. Loads of Rus-lock DE servers in BF3 strengthen my point.

Also I think Tarpeda's being presumptuous, not hostile. That's also one big cultural difference that really doesn't help much. (My favorite example to the case is the word "негр", meaning, but bearing no negativity, nor offense at all, "*****", while in quite a number of countries even the word "*****" is considered somewhat impolite)


Also, for I don't know where to put my observation, you have at least 4 Russians in the thread, speaking fluent English.

[I SandRock]

Means Russia will get European support instead of its own. Kinda logical, considering that, on this side of the continent, Germany has the most hate towards Russia. Loads of Rus-lock DE servers in BF3 strengthen my point.

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Don't know, you could be right, but notice that they signed a deal for THOSE countries. Which means that SOE, not Pro7, has the right to the other countries for publishing Planetside 2. I don't know the entire implications of that. But it also means that SOE could sell the publishing rights to planetside 2 to a Russian publisher (like APB:R has recently done and like what was done by SOE with EQ2). Which would mean Russian servers by default ;)




Also, for I don't know where to put my observation, you have at least 4 Russians in the thread, speaking fluent English.

You won't find anyone from any nationality on this site that can't speak a general level of English, since this site is purely English ;)

[NewSith]

You won't find anyone from any nationality on this site that can't speak a general level of English, since this site is purely English ;)

Flawed logic.
Becose here piple can be who speak english very like i now without syntaks and grammer.


Also I think this thread should die, because the overall is quite clear:

A Russian server(s) will solve a fair share of the lingual (and other) problems and Russian community is, in fact, not against having one.
Everybody here also agrees that despite the pontential presense of the server noone should be locked in it.


Edit: /theend

[Hamma]

Agreed!