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Memeotis
2012-06-18, 05:25 PM
This is an experiment, the purpose of which I won't reveal straight away.

The statistics of what faction you are will be revealed once the game launches, so that's irrelevant.

Posts with polls about your second choice end up distorted by players who want to show how loyal they are by setting their 2nd choice as their 1st.

So. Let's keep it simple. Which faction are you going to be? And which faction do you dislike the most?

EDIT

NC // VS: 38
NC // TR: 30
VS // TR: 21
VS // NC: 45
TR // NC: 57
TR // VS: 33

I had thought to see NC players disliking TR the most and vice versa, but this only seems to be true for the TR. I had also thought that VS would have a more equal distribution of which faction they dislike the most, but similar to the TR they also seem to dislike the NC the most.

Ever since I started paying attention to this game, I always felt that NC and TR were the only real rivals, and that the VS had simply been thrown into the mix. It seems that I was wrong, and that the only thing that is really conclusive from these statistics is that NC is the most hated faction overall and that the TR is the least hated.

PhoenixDog
2012-06-18, 05:29 PM
I have been Vanu and a member of Xen of Onslaught for the last 9 years. I bleed XoO and I bleed the Purple and Teal.

I have to say though...I hate the Elmo's more than the Smurfs. I can respect a group of individuals who can hit hard and need to make their shots count to be effective. I cannot however...Ever respect a group that relies on pure shit-luck of pathetic pea-shooters that do hardly any damage on their own...But just spray enough ammo to kill someone.

Join the Terran Republic! No aim or skill required!

I SandRock
2012-06-18, 05:30 PM
What if I hate them both equally? Like if you have two children and you love them each equally in their own unique way. But in this case theyre both two shitheads and you hate their guts equally in their own unique way?

kaffis
2012-06-18, 05:31 PM
I'm NC.

I love killing VS.

TR may want to oppress me, but Vanu want to obliterate my race because they think they've evolved to a higher life form.

That kind of zealotry cannot be reasoned with or out-maneuvered politically, or even overthrown in a coup.

Also, I still carry a grudge against Magrider drivers. I've got more bumper-height bruises than I can count, even after respawn...

Xaine
2012-06-18, 05:31 PM
As a mentally superior, enlightened, good looking and yet shockingly humble VS player, i find both of the peasant factions equally distasteful.

However, the NC are cute in a sort of girly way. So i don't hate them, rather find them amusing. Cute little guys.

Memeotis
2012-06-18, 05:32 PM
What if I hate them both equally? Like if you have two children and you love them each equally in their own unique way. But in this case theyre both two shitheads and you hate their guts equally in their own unique way?

Tough.

:D

Seriously though. That would ruin the experiment.

PhoenixDog
2012-06-18, 05:33 PM
TR may want to oppress me, but Vanu want to obliterate my race because they think they've evolved to a higher life form.

We think? We have. Get with the program. The only reason your pathetic old-world factions have the ability of eternal soldiers is because of the Vanu.

You're welcome.

Bags
2012-06-18, 05:34 PM
Always hated fighting the Lagsher in PS1 on my old P4 rig.

In ps2 I'll probably be indifferent.

TheDAWinz
2012-06-18, 05:36 PM
I would think because you have less damage it takes more skill to aim! And use the weapon

Heavy hitters with 30 rounds is enough to spray and pray and get a good couple kills, but if you don't do much damage you have to make every shot count!

Dairian
2012-06-18, 05:40 PM
LUL

Luperza
2012-06-18, 05:48 PM
I equally hate on both the TR and NC. Where's that option?

VS for life! ;)

EvilMonkee
2012-06-18, 05:53 PM
NC because of the wall humping, plasma spamming, tower whoring, triple shotgun, 'elite' players/gameplay they seemed to attract/encourage on Werner. The TR I just pitied as they were the worst organised side ever on Werner till merge.

PhoenixDog
2012-06-18, 05:55 PM
I equally hate on both the TR and NC. Where's that option?

VS for life! ;)

BIG HUGZ!!!:love:

:ncsucks::trsucks:

ChargerCarl
2012-06-18, 05:55 PM
NC

don't hate anyone

Landtank
2012-06-18, 05:56 PM
The TR are an embarrassing example of humanity.

Freedom over Oppression!

DviddLeff
2012-06-18, 05:56 PM
NC during the early times due to the Jackhammer quad shot and abuse of Surge, then the TR due to the MCG and its easy mode cone of fire.

cBselfmonkey
2012-06-18, 05:57 PM
I don't hate the Sovereignty... they're just the little kid running around with a power saw. Doesn't matter if they're having fun, they're going to get hurt if they carry on like that. Get a responsible adult in there and everything will be fine.

The TR are loooong overdue for a butt-whooping though.

TheDAWinz
2012-06-18, 05:58 PM
The TR are an embarrassing example of humanity.

Freedom over Oppression!

Why? The TR don't opress anyone, your power hungry greedy cooperations didn't think business was going well so they split for more money. I believe that they are the worst oppressors.

ChipMHazard
2012-06-18, 06:01 PM
I equally hate on both the TR and NC. Where's that option?

VS for life! ;)

Ah! Too much purple, it burns!

Well it doesn't matter. NC and VS will all end up the same colour in the end, red:D:trrocks:

indirect
2012-06-18, 06:05 PM
Nobody hata da Vanu

TheDAWinz
2012-06-18, 06:06 PM
Nobody hata da Vanu

Thats because they share the ideology of most the human race, i am TR and i acknowledge that. Technology = might as long as you can kill something from 4 light seconds away.

Gonefshn
2012-06-18, 06:11 PM
The NC are more annoying than the TR. Probably the most annoying faction overall. And the least cool.

Pheonix. Enough said.

Dairian
2012-06-18, 06:13 PM
All NC shall fall before me!

p0intman
2012-06-18, 06:24 PM
I'm an NC CR5 and have been for a long time. I completely respect the TR, but the VS's tactics boil down to simply throwing 3:1 or better odds at something, rather than using tactics.

I can't respect that. At all.

Ailos
2012-06-18, 06:36 PM
I'm NC (obviously).

And given my real-life personality (engineer, scientist), you'd think I'd love the VS, but I don't. I've found that 90% of the time, VS is full of people who have unrealistic hopes of pinning their problems onto their technology (not unlike modern Greenpeace nutters). Technology is great and powerful, but it's only as smart as its user, and, as with everything else, must always be used in moderation. Technology isn't a substitute for brains.

Meanwhile, the TR have a much more noble cause, I feel, but their methods are much too archaic, restricted by outdated principles and ideas, much like the Catholic church.

I find that members of the TR have a much deeper sense of pride and honor than the VS, are much more cunning and structured in their attacks (something I often wish the NC did more frequently), and always stick to their goal. The VS, though, suffer from a worse case of ADD than my dog, never stick to their fight, and like electricity, simply follow the path of the least resistance - i.e. backstab. Consequently, given only one bullet and one TR and VS soldier each, I'd shoot the VS in the head, and take my chances with a knife against the TR.

Toppopia
2012-06-18, 06:39 PM
So far it looks like the TR is least hated, unless i am reading the poll wrong. :lol:

Edit: Oh wait. TR and VS are tied for least hated. lol

Otleaz
2012-06-18, 06:40 PM
I don't hate the Sovereignty... they're just the little kid running around with a power saw. Doesn't matter if they're having fun, they're going to get hurt if they carry on like that. Get a responsible adult in there and everything will be fine.

Sounds like some psychological projection right there.

The only kids who need an adult are running around in yellow and blue. No understanding of politics and blatant disregard for the consequences of their actions? I'm sorry you had to find out this way.

Don't worry though, the NC would never be able to win since the Vanu and the TR would probably team up if they weren't absolutely sure that the NC would self destruct before they became an issue.

ChipMHazard
2012-06-18, 06:51 PM
So far it looks like the TR is least hated, unless i am reading the poll wrong. :lol:

Edit: Oh wait. TR and VS are tied for least hated. lol

At first I was hoping for the TR to be the most hated because well that must mean we we're doing something right. But since everyone seems to hate the NC the most it must just mean they... for lack of a better word, suck:D

Top Sgt
2012-06-18, 06:53 PM
can't stand the NC not so much for the in game stuff but from Most ( not all but most) of the nerds that are going NC uggghhh

Atleast the VS want to explore alien tech The NC are just greedy and try to excuse it by saying they want 'freedom" when really their corp heads have brainwashed their wannabe weekend smurf soldiers.

lMABl
2012-06-18, 06:54 PM
NC

don't hate anyone
http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-YO_B6ckw76U/T4AakNlstfI/AAAAAAAAEdA/wak_JM1mFdU/s640/meme-impossibru.jpg

cBselfmonkey
2012-06-18, 06:58 PM
Sounds like some psychological projection right there.

The only kids who need an adult are running around in yellow and blue. No understanding of politics and blatant disregard for the consequences of their actions? I'm sorry you had to find out this way.

Says the team that wants to remake the human race into...Oh right. They have no clue. They're just assuming based on limited observation, alien artifacts rewiring their brains and faith, the bane of any real science, that this would be a good idea.

At the very least the NC and TR are based off of human ideals, wants and needs. VS need to grow a pair and remember what race they were born to and stop trying to become heavily idealized versions of something else.

Don't worry though, the NC would never be able to win since the Vanu and the TR would probably team up if they weren't absolutely sure that the NC would self destruct before they became an issue.

If the TR actually went back to functioning like a half-decent government, like they did on Earth, then the NC, at least the angry civilian part, would probably be willing to work with them. That just leave the xenophiles out in the cold :cool:

kaffis
2012-06-18, 07:03 PM
Consequently, given only one bullet and one TR and VS soldier each, I'd shoot the VS in the head, and take my chances with a knife against the TR.
Beautiful sentiment.

I SandRock
2012-06-18, 07:04 PM
I'm NC (obviously).

And given my real-life personality (engineer, scientist), you'd think I'd love the VS, but I don't. I've found that 90% of the time, VS is full of people who have unrealistic hopes of pinning their problems onto their technology (not unlike modern Greenpeace nutters).
What what. VS pins their problems on technology like greenpeace? I dont see how you can compare VS to greenpeace.. greenpeace is almost anti-VS, VS would be the dudes doing all the crazy tests regardless of the cost on animals or nature, which greenpeace would be fighting against..

Technology is great and powerful, but it's only as smart as its user, and, as with everything else, must always be used in moderation. Technology isn't a substitute for brains.
And VS has both brains (Were the friggin scientists man) and the tech..



TR (..) and always stick to their goal.
*cough* zerglings *cough*

the path of the least resistance - i.e. backstab.
Minimum casualities, maximum results AKA tactics -> smart!


Consequently, given only one bullet and one TR and VS soldier each, I'd shoot the VS in the head, and take my chances with a knife against the TR.

I'd do the same if i were you because we all know you wouldn't stand a chance against us VS with just a knife, let alone that one bullet. Besides by the time youre finished kniving that TR to dead, thanks to our amazing technology, we will have respawned and melted your face off :D

PURPLE PAIN!

Dairian
2012-06-18, 07:10 PM
I killed 25% more NC than VS in PS1. Mainly because I loved to get in a tower fight and go 1 vs 1 with a JH vs MCG close quarters and still come out victorious. This always made me feel good. When I had a JH in my hand indoors that I looted from the fallen NC that i just slaughtered. I felt unstoppable. 2 shots to kill a Agile and 4 to kill a Rexo.

Otleaz
2012-06-18, 07:49 PM
Says the team that wants to remake the human race into...Oh right. They have no clue. They're just assuming based on limited observation, alien artifacts rewiring their brains and faith, the bane of any real science, that this would be a good idea.

At the very least the NC and TR are based off of human ideals, wants and needs. VS need to grow a pair and remember what race they were born to and stop trying to become heavily idealized versions of something else.


The "freedom" faction getting all uppity about what someone else does to their own body... A perfect example of why the NC have no hope for the future.

You also throw out made up things like brainwashing and "faith" because you don't have anything actually incriminating to say... A futuristic witch hunt, really. Studying technology and then using it, the pursuit of knowledge. That is all it is in reality.

Trafalgar
2012-06-18, 07:49 PM
Hate is such a strong word.

War is Peace!

Jikkan
2012-06-18, 07:56 PM
I don't hate any of the factions. They all have appealing aspects to me. My favorite are the Vanu though.

When the game actually gets going I might start hating on a faction for a weapon or a vehicle they have, or if they are dominating the server. xD

OutlawDr
2012-06-18, 08:10 PM
I hate both equally
However, since there are more TR on these boards, I add up the hate and it ends up equaling that I hate the TR more.

Hamma
2012-06-18, 08:14 PM
Interesting poll idea.

Dreamcast
2012-06-18, 08:24 PM
NC is the most hated lol..

Deezy
2012-06-18, 08:26 PM
I'm TR, and I definitely hate the NC the most. The jackhammer pre nerf instilled a deep sense of loathing for those skill-less jack rabbits. As for the VS, they're a non issue. Every time I think of them, only one thing comes to mind:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NAj26rVWK14

willaguy
2012-06-18, 08:28 PM
Looks like the NC are getting a lot of hate!

Graywolves
2012-06-18, 08:34 PM
The TR will be rid of the anarchist petty rebels first and then remove the mind controlling alien.

SergeantNubins
2012-06-18, 08:34 PM
Yea NC are getting a lot of hate, having guns you actually have to aim inspires a great deal of jealousy from spam cannon wielders :)

Troscus
2012-06-18, 08:36 PM
Once again, everyone hates the anti-establishment "freedom" fighters. I'm cool with that. I'm glad the VS and TR, my two favorite factions, can all agree on one thing: NC sucks.

Otleaz
2012-06-18, 08:41 PM
I like how the NC keep saying how their guns are somehow harder to aim when they don't even have to worry about recoil or bloom. The NC will easily take the noob faction title.

Crator
2012-06-18, 08:41 PM
NC, most hated currently :( Oh well, don't much have to have you like me when I'm shooting your head off now, do I? ;)

VS TR NC
24 20 30
21 12 35
45 32 65

Electrofreak
2012-06-18, 08:45 PM
I primarily play NC, and I can respect fighting the TR. They've got balls. So do the Vanu in fact, but those are fired out of their weapons.

I mean, jump-jetting MAX suits, hover tanks used as lawnmowers more than for anything else, and a heavy assault weapon that strikes people behind cover?! What kind of cheap crap is that?!

Toppopia
2012-06-18, 08:48 PM
NC, most hated currently :( Oh well, don't much have to have you like me when I'm shooting your head off now, do I? ;)

VS TR NC
24 20 30
21 12 35
45 32 65

You forgot the other variables on the left of your table, because that doesn't say much, unless i am reading it wrong. And if i am, how am i meant to read that table? It looks confusing :confused:

Graywolves
2012-06-18, 08:49 PM
I like how the NC keep saying how their guns are somehow harder to aim when they don't even have to worry about recoil or bloom. The NC will easily take the noob faction title.

Harder hitting means fewer hits to kill.

The NC aren't exactly the brightest though. I wouldn't take anything they say seriously.

#FactionRivalry

polywomple
2012-06-18, 08:55 PM
Let's be honest. Many hate the NC because they were pwned by the jackhammer, and they will be pwned by our massive jackhammers yet again in PS2.

Crator
2012-06-18, 09:00 PM
You forgot the other variables on the left of your table, because that doesn't say much, unless i am reading it wrong. And if i am, how am i meant to read that table? It looks confusing :confused:

Sorry hard to put a table on the forums... I realized this after pasting it... The bottom number are the two top numbers added together...

mcargo
2012-06-18, 09:10 PM
im vanu all the way and DEFINITLY hate nc the most!


[I mean, jump-jetting MAX suits, hover tanks used as lawnmowers more than for anything else, and a heavy assault weapon that strikes people behind cover?! What kind of cheap crap is that?![/QUOTE]

how bout a rocket launcher that ya fire from behind a wall like a coward? how bout a blatantly OP shotgun thats kills practically instantly? it cuts both ways across all empires;)

mcargo
2012-06-18, 09:17 PM
Im Vanu all the way and I definitly hate the "Noob" Conglomerate the most!


I primarily play NC, and I can respect fighting the TR. They've got balls. So do the Vanu in fact, but those are fired out of their weapons.

I mean, jump-jetting MAX suits, hover tanks used as lawnmowers more than for anything else, and a heavy assault weapon that strikes people behind cover?! What kind of cheap crap is that?!

How bout a rocket launcher that ya fire from behind cover like a coward? how bout a blatantly OP triple barrel shotgun that practically insta-kills? It cuts both ways across all empires ;)

mcargo
2012-06-18, 09:17 PM
dammir sorry double post =(

Electrofreak
2012-06-18, 09:19 PM
Im Vanu all the way and I definitly hate the "Noob" Conglomerate the most!




How bout a rocket launcher that ya fire from behind cover like a coward? how bout a blatantly OP triple barrel shotgun that practically insta-kills? It cuts both ways across all empires ;)

Whatever, Phoenix spamming infantry was a waste of time and I never played HA. I'm a marksman and a pilot! A man of honor! Not like those disco-dancing Vanu!

FPClark
2012-06-18, 09:23 PM
I'm an NC CR5 and have been for a long time. I completely respect the TR, but the VS's tactics boil down to simply throwing 3:1 or better odds at something, rather than using tactics.

I can't respect that. At all.

I bet you like the line up and shoot warfare of the 1800's too :rolleyes:.

"If you find yourself in a fair fight, you didn't plan your mission properly."
- David Hackworth

Luieburger
2012-06-18, 09:28 PM
Looks like I'm a minority. I'm VS and I hate TR the most.

However, if I was going to play a different race, I'd play TR.

Thoreaux
2012-06-18, 09:34 PM
Most hated:

TR - 37

VS - 48

NC - 69

I am shocked by this.

So. Shocked. :)

DOUBLEXBAUGH
2012-06-18, 09:35 PM
Always hated fighting the Lagsher in PS1 on my old P4 rig.

In ps2 I'll probably be indifferent.

This

The Kush
2012-06-18, 09:43 PM
Haha everyone hates the NC.

Remember your haters are your biggest fans ;)

Dairian
2012-06-18, 09:55 PM
Most hated:

TR - 37

VS - 48

NC - 69

I am shocked by this.

So. Shocked. :)

Makes sense to me.

Dairian
2012-06-18, 09:58 PM
There is an NC base getting nuked in the background of my signature. lul

Satch
2012-06-18, 09:58 PM
Lookin like us NC are hated the most :P Awesome, more reason 2 kill u guys now :D

Xaine
2012-06-18, 09:58 PM
Apparently I'm the only person that didn't really have a problem with the Jackhammer in PS1?

Pro tip: Don't try fighting on a corner. You can't out DPS them, so outplay them.

We all know the NC can't hit a barn door anyway ;)

Greeniegriz
2012-06-18, 10:02 PM
I'm NC and I hate those VS the most. Think their so special with their lazur beams, and no "bullet" drop... "Oh look at me! My tank can strafe!".... Bah-Humbug!

;)

Cheers....

archaonn
2012-06-18, 10:06 PM
Well, I particulary have no hate against any of the other factions. Im fighting for something, and they dont want that to happen. But I never forget that the ones that im killing are people.

SouthernGoods
2012-06-18, 10:17 PM
Lol im NC but not because of freedom, but because they are the underdogs the dudes that use crude weapons instead of super tech or spray and pray type guns... NC for lyfe, VS is alright in my eyes, but the smh the TR needs to go... Takes no skill to be a TR, they just fire off till something dies.... NC for lyfe

Otleaz
2012-06-18, 10:24 PM
Well, I particulary have no hate against any of the other factions. Im fighting for something, and they dont want that to happen. But I never forget that the ones that im killing are people.

I never forget who started this pointless war in the first place.

aceshigh
2012-06-18, 10:41 PM
I'm VS and I pretty much hate the VS the most. At least a majority of the < 2006 CR5's.

The Janitor
2012-06-18, 10:50 PM
I see no point in hating something that will be dead too fast for me to even really see what blue or red thing I just blew up.

JimmyOmaha
2012-06-18, 11:01 PM
I play VS and shoot them not wearing purple for me!

Hate to derail but, did anyone else read the thread title and think...

Who is your daddy and what does he do - YouTube

redshirt
2012-06-18, 11:07 PM
Death to all Blue Smurflings!! :mad:

:ncsucks:

razor851
2012-06-18, 11:18 PM
I have to say though...I hate the Elmo's more than the Smurfs. I can respect a group of individuals who can hit hard and need to make their shots count to be effective. I cannot however...Ever respect a group that relies on pure shit-luck of pathetic pea-shooters that do hardly any damage on their own...But just spray enough ammo to kill someone.

Join the Terran Republic! No aim or skill required!

That is so backwards...

Mordelicius
2012-06-18, 11:32 PM
NC >>> (TR = VS). The TR nor the VS need not be hated; just smothered with Freedom!
:groovy:

atheistunicycle
2012-06-18, 11:45 PM
Where's the option for "I'm NC and I hate the NC the most?"

Ragefighter
2012-06-18, 11:53 PM
I am TR and I hate the NC most!

But I should have enough bullets to kill them both is presented with a choice :lol:

Loyalty until Death, Strength in Unity!:trrocks:

Top Sgt
2012-06-19, 12:10 AM
Where's the option for "I'm NC and I hate the NC the most?"

lol that should have been added to the poll

Stew
2012-06-19, 12:10 AM
I do not hate Anyones because of their color iam a true Nc you can be purple you can be red but as long as you are on the freedom side and on the human rigths side your my friends my brothers !

But if your a fashist or a blind religious DA ill propably hate your cause and what you do But if you change your mind and see the truth and come to NC i will respect you !

RandomNPC
2012-06-19, 12:13 AM
How do you expect me to decide? I'm VS. The other monkey empires are equally hated.

PhoenixDog
2012-06-19, 12:18 AM
That is so backwards...

How is it backwards? I can't respect an empire that doesn't need to aim to defeat my brothers...

Otleaz
2012-06-19, 12:19 AM
How is it backwards? I can't respect an empire that doesn't need to aim to defeat my brothers...

Please remove yourself from the Vanu.

PhoenixDog
2012-06-19, 12:22 AM
Please remove yourself from the Vanu.

I'll get right on that once you understand that just because one's opinion isn't the same as yours doesn't make them incorrect. According to the poll lots of people agree with me and hate the TR more. Merely my opinion.

:vsrocks:

Otleaz
2012-06-19, 12:27 AM
I'll get right on that once you understand that just because one's opinion isn't the same as yours doesn't make them incorrect. According to the poll lots of people agree with me and hate the TR more. Merely my opinion.

:vsrocks:

Not an opinion, just basic understanding that in an FPS it is harder to kill someone with a weak gun that fires fast due to bloom and recoil, where slow firing and single shot guns are easy to aim.

It makes me chuckle every time a NC brings it up, so I was crushed when I saw a fellow Vanu mention it.

PhoenixDog
2012-06-19, 12:32 AM
Not an opinion, just basic understanding that in an FPS it is harder to kill someone with a weak gun that fires fast due to bloom and recoil, where slow firing and single shot guns are easy to aim.

It makes me chuckle every time a NC brings it up, so I was crushed when I saw a fellow Vanu mention it.

Shrug. TR is always associated with "Spray and Pray". If you need to pray to a higher being to kill someone...There's a problem.

I'm not going to get into an argument over something this silly...Let's just both agree that the NC and TR are sub-human compared to us. Projectile weapons...Please. Even in today's society they have lasers to eliminate projectile weapons.

Zekeen
2012-06-19, 12:37 AM
I'm NC, and I hate VS. I love to fight the TR, and VS always got in the way, attacked as a third party, and used their versatile mobility to attack in ways the other factions cannot. VS fights in ways I hate, and I prefer it that way. I like them pissing me off and having the most different weapons. Makes the game complete. There is also the fact on emerald that TR and NC actually joined up for 2 weeks.

PhoenixDog
2012-06-19, 12:39 AM
I'm NC, and I hate VS. I love to fight the TR, and VS always got in the way, attacked as a third party, and used their versatile mobility to attack in ways the other factions cannot. VS fights in ways I hate, and I prefer it that way. I like them pissing me off and having the most different weapons. Makes the game complete. There is also the fact on emerald that TR and NC actually joined up for 2 weeks.

I actually remember that period in time, haha. A sad sad state of affairs when you need two empires to defeat a clearly more advanced and dominate single empire.

And once again...Who game you the ability to store your soldier's DNA and respawn him once he died? Whooooo gave you that? You're welcome. I want my cut.

noxious
2012-06-19, 01:15 AM
TR are the least hated and NC are the most hated. These results look good to me.

PhoenixDog
2012-06-19, 01:22 AM
TR are the least hated and NC are the most hated. These results look good to me.

Obviously you matter less than the NC.

Feel better?

:father:

Top Sgt
2012-06-19, 01:25 AM
Shrug. TR is always associated with "Spray and Pray". If you need to pray to a higher being to kill someone...There's a problem.

I'm not going to get into an argument over something this silly...Let's just both agree that the NC and TR are sub-human compared to us. Projectile weapons...Please. Even in today's society they have lasers to eliminate projectile weapons.

no uneducated players try and put that tab on TR players.

the truth is most players back in the PS1 days could not shoot well.. that's why 3rd person view was used so much.

PS2 is a true FPS and the excuse of TR is spray and pray is garbage when NC and VS players will be sprayin like crazy just as much because most can't aim.

Just sounds childish to use that 8+ year old excuse.

many kids join NC because they hear the " guns hit hard" so they figure they can just spray hard hitting bullets and get the kill like in Call of duty (in their mind)

That's why your own VS is puzzled by you.. it's a weak argument. Weaker bullets are always a harder kill.. it's not like TR shoot 800rpm and NC shoots 300 etc.. it's like 50 rpm difference in most weapons.

if I wanted to easy way in PS2 i'd go NC because weapon wise that's the easiest.

noxious
2012-06-19, 01:32 AM
Obviously you matter less than the NC.

Feel better?

:father:

A tenuous conclusion. The citizens of Auraxis love their legitimate rulers.

PhoenixDog
2012-06-19, 01:34 AM
PS2 is a true FPS and the excuse of TR is spray and pray is garbage when NC and VS players will be sprayin like crazy just as much because most can't aim.

Just sounds childish to use that 8+ year old excuse.

many kids join NC because they hear the " guns hit hard" so they figure they can just spray hard hitting bullets and get the kill like in Call of duty (in their mind)

That's why your own VS is puzzled by you.. it's a weak argument. Weaker bullets are always a harder kill.. it's not like TR shoot 800rpm and NC shoots 300 etc.. it's like 50 rpm difference in most weapons.

You seem awfully upset in your post, and my association with spray and pray. Did I perhaps hit a nerve? I heard the Vanu Sovereignty has a cure for pinched nerves. We have a cure for everything.

And maybe in my history in Planetside 1, I found TR more annoying than NC. For whatever reason that may be, whether legit, bullshit, or made up...I found I respected the NC more than the TR in my original tour of duty. So nanny nanny boo boo...Stick your head in doo doo.

A tenuous conclusion. The citizens of Auraxis love their legitimate rulers.
Touche, friend. A well structured and delivered counter argument. Can I offer you a place within the Vanu political structure. We have toffee and every member gets a jacket with patches on the elbows. Premium.

Top Sgt
2012-06-19, 01:39 AM
You seem awfully upset in your post, and my association with spray and pray. Did I perhaps hit a nerve? I heard the Vanu Sovereignty has a cure for pinched nerves. We have a cure for everything.

And maybe in my history in Planetside 1, I found TR more annoying than NC. For whatever reason that may be, whether legit, bullshit, or made up...I found I respected the NC more than the TR in my original tour of duty. So nanny nanny boo boo...Stick your head in doo doo.

lol I seem awfully upset? umm ok time to go back to perception school perhaps?

But your theory is weak always has been always will be and that's why ya own guy called you on it.

All good tho I'm not here to convince you of anything were too busy preparing to unleash on the fake ass wanna be weekend warriors of the NC.

PhoenixDog
2012-06-19, 01:44 AM
lol I seem awfully upset? umm ok time to go back to perception school perhaps?

But your theory is weak always has been always will be and that's why ya own guy called you on it.

All good tho I'm not here to convince you of anything were too busy preparing to unleash on the fake ass wanna be weekend warriors of the NC.

A) Silly TR, perception school doesn't start back up again until the fall. I have all summer to incorrectly precieve things!
B) As a great man once said, I reject your reality and substitute my own.
C) And while you're busy with the NC, the VS will do what we do best...Show up unannounced as the third wheel, piss everyone off, start some weird NC/TR love fest to try and kick us off, defend until one of you gets pissed at the other, let you two start fighting again and clean up the mess left behind. It's fool proof!

Zolan
2012-06-19, 01:50 AM
More NC that hate the VS.

http://i843.photobucket.com/albums/zz352/WhammyBusiness/GaryColemanHuh.gif

Timey
2012-06-19, 02:13 AM
As a TR I'd have to say both NC and VS are equally fabulous.

bigcracker
2012-06-19, 02:22 AM
I hate everyone except for people in purple.

GuyFawkes
2012-06-19, 02:42 AM
To have a most hated and therefore a 'least' hated faction implies the opposition propaganda has softened your resolve against a particular foe .

The TR does not tolerate such betrayal and your traitorous acts.

Yellow bellies have already broken away with such cowardice and found a collective cowards club in the NC.

Those with a lesser IQ ,and easily brainwashed, may find a home with the Vanu.

Nature has once again weeded out the genetic defects within our species to make the TR a stronger unit

Kran De Loy
2012-06-19, 02:47 AM
Love the VS. Hate the NC. Freedom for Freedom's sake is just bone headed as the only true freedom is anarchy.
Also NC tend to be more bone headed than TR. For example, the only conflict I see between the VS and the NC are superficial bullshit things, like color coordination disagreements, and that part where VS are smart enough to recognize what NC's childish tantrum will make of mankind.

In the end TR had the right idea in that they were able to keep peace for such a long time. They were and still very much are just too closed minded and conservative to be able to properly adapt to growing unrest in the very people they governed, eventually letting themselves rely to heavily on military might rather than political governance. Which is technically what got everyone into this stink in the first place.

Logri
2012-06-19, 02:50 AM
I've always enjoyed fighting VS on my TR and TR on my VS, those fights tended to be interesting and felt pretty equal at times. Then came the facerolling JH spamming NC and away was the fun, bunch of weekend warrior spoil sports, how dare they break up my fun!!!:D

Ductape
2012-06-19, 03:46 AM
Im still deciding between NC and TR, but heavily leaning towards NC at the moment. So I said NC in the poll. However, I hate VS. I dont like the colors. I dont like the art style. And I hate religious nut jobs that try to force their beliefs down your throat.

Otleaz
2012-06-19, 04:11 AM
To have a most hated and therefore a 'least' hated faction implies the opposition propaganda has softened your resolve against a particular foe .

The TR does not tolerate such betrayal and your traitorous acts.

Yellow bellies have already broken away with such cowardice and found a collective cowards club in the NC.

Those with a lesser IQ ,and easily brainwashed, may find a home with the Vanu.

Nature has once again weeded out the genetic defects within our species to make the TR a stronger unit
You keep telling yourself that.

Kran De Loy
2012-06-19, 04:43 AM
On second thought, screw polling to find out who is the most hated. Rather give us the game and compile information on who gets teamed up against the most often.

In fact screw that, too! Just give us the game! (╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻'

IHateMMOs
2012-06-19, 06:52 AM
They all suck, especially the Vanu with their flashlights. The Great Cactus Unity is the best.
Screw the Terrans and their fascist ways, The Cactus Unity has been around on earth longer than the TR.

Grimster
2012-06-19, 07:01 AM
I am NC and I hate TR the most because of their constant zerging back in the glory days of PS1. :)


Don't really hate anyone but had to come up with something. :)

In my opinion hate is a strong word which don't belong in a fictional world where there are actually real people behind the characters. :)

Rexdezi
2012-06-19, 07:59 AM
I am English and I hate the French the most...

oh wait you mean in the game? :S

Greeniegriz
2012-06-19, 08:10 AM
I am English and I hate the French the most...

oh wait you mean in the game? :S

Oh the french are in this game? Their guns shoot white flags?

Cheers,

GG

Sent from my SPH-D710 using Tapatalk 2

Mechzz
2012-06-19, 08:21 AM
Oh the french are in this game? Their guns shoot white flags?

Cheers,

GG

Sent from my SPH-D710 using Tapatalk 2

Yup. And the Italian Vanguard variant has 2 forward gears and 12 reverse gears :)

Vashyo
2012-06-19, 08:21 AM
NC and I allways hated that TR-chaingun spam

Frotang
2012-06-19, 08:28 AM
NC and I hate TR scum!

Baneblade
2012-06-19, 08:28 AM
My Vanguard's bumper loves everyone, always trying to hug Barney and Elmo.

But I pick hating VS, the TR are less annoying.

Rexdezi
2012-06-19, 08:40 AM
Oh the french are in this game? Their guns shoot white flags?

Cheers,

GG

Sent from my SPH-D710 using Tapatalk 2

Their uniform is all white with brown trousers and yellow stomachs XD guns are never fired, only dropped once XD

Vanath
2012-06-19, 08:42 AM
And once again...Who game you the ability to store your soldier's DNA and respawn him once he died? Whooooo gave you that? You're welcome. I want my cut.

Our scientists studying the Vanu technology did; not the Vanu Sovereignty. You may have got some of those scientists later but they were still ours at the time. We just didn't see a need to start worshiping it and abandon our race. Technology is good but not if you start to erase your humanity.

*text here*

Am I the only one who finds it odd that someone named themselves Guy Fawkes and then chose TR?

Trafalgar
2012-06-19, 08:59 AM
So all this NC hating is from stuff that happened in PlanetSide 1? Alas.

LightningDriver
2012-06-19, 10:35 AM
I hate VS the most because they whine about everything, and they always leave a fight when there is anything close to even numbers. They need a 4 to 1 advantage to stick around.

Wimps.

Exmortius
2012-06-19, 10:41 AM
TR and if i have an nc or a vs in front of me the nc always dies first :P
i really don't like smurfs.

kasiraghi
2012-06-19, 11:29 AM
Where is the LESS THAN THREE?!

berzerkerking
2012-06-19, 12:31 PM
I equally hate on both the TR and NC. Where's that option?

VS for life! ;)

This one gets it.:cool2:

Meriv
2012-06-19, 12:33 PM
As TR the first bullet to a Vs first at least the smurf are still hoping in the human race...

In place of following some Alien culture technology withouth still knowing what has whipped them out

Geist
2012-06-19, 12:48 PM
I love technology. I think technology is great and that one day there will be peace on Earth because technology has advanced to a point where everyone will be able to enjoy all the necessities of life. However, the VS went a little too far. I also love Humanity, for it's potential, for what it's done, and pride in being human myself, and VS just went completely over to the Alien side. Weapons, vehicles, hell, even mindset is no longer human, and that makes them a hated enemy in my book.

NC may be terrible people, but the VS aren't people at all, and that's why I hate the Vanu Sovreignty. DEATH TO PURPLE!!!

Canaris
2012-06-19, 12:50 PM
Hi my name is Canaris of the Terran Republic and I'm an equal opportunity hater:D

Ratstomper
2012-06-19, 01:20 PM
It seems that I was wrong, and that the only thing that is really conclusive from these statistics is that NC is the most hated faction overall and that the TR is the least hated.

I can live with that.... :cool2:

NC4Life

Badjuju
2012-06-19, 01:30 PM
I'm NC.

I love killing VS.

TR may want to oppress me, but Vanu want to obliterate my race because they think they've evolved to a higher life form.

That kind of zealotry cannot be reasoned with or out-maneuvered politically, or even overthrown in a coup.

Also, I still carry a grudge against Magrider drivers. I've got more bumper-height bruises than I can count, even after respawn...

You've got your lore wrong, NC are the ones that declared war on the VS who tried to stay neutral because they didn't like their way of life. But I guess the NC terrorists will tell themselves anything to justify their hypocritical actions

ChipMHazard
2012-06-19, 01:38 PM
I can live with that.... :cool2:

NC4Life

Well atleast it means that you smurfs are doing something right. :p

Ratstomper
2012-06-19, 01:53 PM
You've got your lore wrong, NC are the ones that declared war on the VS who tried to stay neutral because they didn't like their way of life. But I guess the NC terrorists will tell themselves anything to justify their hypocritical actions

Actually, the VS got into the war because they thought it would threaten their precious technology, they weren't attacked.

Well atleast it means that you smurfs are doing something right. :p

Doing what's right won't make us popular. :D

Xyntech
2012-06-19, 01:58 PM
Actually, the VS got into the war because they thought it would threaten their precious technology, they weren't attacked.

Bullets were fired at mother Auraxis. We take that as a personal attack.

You know how dangerous those trees, rocks and cacti are? That's thanks to superior Vanu engineering. It's so overpowered that we had to disable their friendly fire so that Auraxis wouldn't get grief locked every time it accidentally blew up a VS Galaxy.

Ratstomper
2012-06-19, 02:01 PM
Bullets were fired at mother Auraxis. We take that as a personal attack.

You know how dangerous those trees, rocks and cacti are? That's thanks to superior Vanu engineering. It's so overpowered that we had to disable their friendly fire so that Auraxis wouldn't get grief locked every time it accidentally blew up a VS Galaxy.

I'll admit, you're fantastic landscapers. Very stout plants. :)

Xyntech
2012-06-19, 02:12 PM
I'll admit, you're fantastic landscapers. Very stout plants. :)

Our secret is nanites. Nanites and Vanu magic. I mean science, science...

Sturmhardt
2012-06-19, 02:18 PM
I am Sturmhardt and I hate Stew - does that count? 8)

Top Sgt
2012-06-19, 02:58 PM
I am Sturmhardt and I hate Stew - does that count? 8)

that falls under the other poll option that got left off

NC that hate NC

SergeantNubins
2012-06-19, 04:09 PM
I like how the NC keep saying how their guns are somehow harder to aim when they don't even have to worry about recoil or bloom. The NC will easily take the noob faction title.

Haha and the vs & tr dont have to worry about recoil or bloom at the kind of ranges the jackhammer can effectively engage at but they also have the ability to engage at longer distances.. and the vs dont even have to worry about switching ammo when a max shows up.. im sure these arguments have flown around the ps1 boards a million times :)

Badjuju
2012-06-19, 04:09 PM
Actually, the VS got into the war because they thought it would threaten their precious technology, they weren't attacked.



Doing what's right won't make us popular. :D

That only applies to why they separated from the TR. They felt the "paranoid" TR feared their pursuit of technology and anticipated that an attack by them was imminent, so they separated before that could happen. The NC disagreed with their ideology feeling they were trying to change the human race to something they didn't see as acceptable, so upon separating from the TR they declared war on the VS as well.

Immigrant
2012-06-19, 04:49 PM
A tough choice... I went for NC since they can be held accountable for their acts of terrorism against innocent Republic civilians. But no fear, Republic will crush their puny rebellion and restore peace and prosperity for it's citizens in a heartbeat.

Hating Vanu would be like hating retards for being retarded, that's just the way they are so being angry at them wouldn't make sense. Perhaps they just went insane by inhaling toxic Auraxium vapors, or maybe they're even mind-controlled by those Vanu aliens. In any case they need to be captured promptly before harming themselves or others and sent away for study and treatment at TRMC (Terran Republic Mental Care) sanatoriums where the best medics of the Republic will provide them with help they so desperately need.

:D

ZeroOneZero
2012-06-19, 04:53 PM
Can't stand the NC...bunch of try-hards. The VS pretty much jump in whenever the TR and NC are fighting, and they're always fighting over water with their #$T% mag's.

metziih
2012-06-19, 05:03 PM
I don't like NC. They're all "HURF HURF WE'RE SO DIFFERENT AND "FREE" SO WE CAN'T WORK WITH SOCIETY AND WE MUST CAUSE TROUBLE!"

I have nothing against VS though. They're cool. Except for the whole force-human-evolution-into-the-next-level-with-alien-technology-thing. But other than that, they're pretty okay.

Manitou
2012-06-19, 06:24 PM
I don't hate, or even dislike, any enemies of the Terran Republic. I simply kill them when I see them. It isn't an emotional response, it is business - and business is good.

Blackwolf
2012-06-19, 07:08 PM
This is an experiment, the purpose of which I won't reveal straight away.

The statistics of what faction you are will be revealed once the game launches, so that's irrelevant.

Posts with polls about your second choice end up distorted by players who want to show how loyal they are by setting their 2nd choice as their 1st.

So. Let's keep it simple. Which faction are you going to be? And which faction do you dislike the most?

EDIT

NC // VS: 38
NC // TR: 30
VS // TR: 21
VS // NC: 45
TR // NC: 57
TR // VS: 33

I had thought to see NC players disliking TR the most and vice versa, but this only seems to be true for the TR. I had also thought that VS would have a more equal distribution of which faction they dislike the most, but similar to the TR they also seem to dislike the NC the most.

Ever since I started paying attention to this game, I always felt that NC and TR were the only real rivals, and that the VS had simply been thrown into the mix. It seems that I was wrong, and that the only thing that is really conclusive from these statistics is that NC is the most hated faction overall and that the TR is the least hated.

TR were better balanced in PS1. NC is based on hard hitting shots and heavier armor, doesn't matter how slow they shoot or move if they kill in a split second.

You won't find a healthy rivalry, more like contempt.

Few people hated TR vehicles or weapons. About the only thing the VS had that was truly despised was the Lasher, with Quasar being a close second. And damn near everything the NC had was hated/feared. You name it, the ScatterMAX, the Sparrow, the Phoenix missile launcher, the Thunderer, the Peregrine's AV gunner variant, the Vanguard, the JackHammer...

As a VS player, it just sucked fighting the NC. Because 90% of the game catered to their domain (close quarters) and where it didn't, they had the advantage of heavier armor as well as higher firepower (vehicles).

It was just a bad combination for balance. Does not surprise me at all to see the NC are the most "hated".

91 hate VS

64 hate TR

and 123 hate NC.

For infantry/MAX TR were better at range, NC were better at close quarters, with VS running the middle ground. 90% of the game was at close quarters.

For vehicles. TR had better infantry transportation, VS had better maneuverability with weaker armor, and NC had heavier armor and higher firepower. Since TR firepower relied on multiple gunners for the same vehicle and VS maneuverability wasn't all that great compared to the other two factions, the NC had a decidedly greater advantage in outdoor combat.

So basically it doesn't matter where you are. If you aren't in yellow and blue, you are pretty much easy meat.

KilroytheNinja
2012-06-19, 08:34 PM
If the NC are the most hated faction... we must be doing something right!

FREEDOM OVER OPPRESSION!!

SergeantNubins
2012-06-19, 08:42 PM
For infantry/MAX TR were better at range, NC were better at close quarters, with VS running the middle ground. 90% of the game was at close quarters.

For vehicles. TR had better infantry transportation, VS had better maneuverability with weaker armor, and NC had heavier armor and higher firepower. Since TR firepower relied on multiple gunners for the same vehicle and VS maneuverability wasn't all that great compared to the other two factions, the NC had a decidedly greater advantage in outdoor combat.

So basically it doesn't matter where you are. If you aren't in yellow and blue, you are pretty much easy meat.

Oh good lord... nc were great in towers and close range sure, but in bases you had corridors to get through and all the vanu had to do was fill them with lasher spam, didn't even have to score direct hits thanks to the lash effect and they did equal damage to maxes, so you didnt need to switch to an av weapon or change to AP ammo when maxes were in the mix.. just hold down the fire button.

Outside, i would say the prowler was less flexible and at a disadvantage against air vehciles when it only had one gunner, but as far as tank v tank goes it was about the same, i would say slightly weaker than the mag and van over all. If you added a third gunner then it became more powerful than the other two.. but a much more tempting target too. The vanguard and magrider were pretty even. The driver of the mag had a gun that was actualy useful, the direct fire fast moving bolt from the main turret was great for fighting vehicles (both air and ground, prowler and vanguard main gun shells were extremely difficult to hit air targets with) but it was not so good against infantry where the prowler and vanguard had a definite advantage due to arcing shells with fairly large AoE. If there was water around, the mag was at a huge advantage, you only scored damage with a direct hit from the main guns of the prowler/vanguard since there was no splash damage when the shells hit the water.

Everyone had strengths and weaknesses all this cra about nc having better gear than everyone else is total bollocks, if they were, then it would have been like it was during lasher 2.0 where the vanu controlled the entire bloody map all the time.

Blackwolf
2012-06-20, 12:19 AM
Oh good lord... nc were great in towers and close range sure, but in bases you had corridors to get through and all the vanu had to do was fill them with lasher spam, didn't even have to score direct hits thanks to the lash effect and they did equal damage to maxes, so you didnt need to switch to an av weapon or change to AP ammo when maxes were in the mix.. just hold down the fire button.

Dear god, Do not get me started about Lasher's vs MAX suits. When I played the game, it took a Lasher 3 clips to down a MAX suit, a total of 21+ seconds including reload time. We had no AP ability with Lashers, MCG and JackHammer had faster TTKs with their white rounds.

And Your statement pretty much just agrees with mine. I said 90% of the game (I should have specified infantry game) was at close quarters. VS ruled the back door and TR ruled the courtyards, that leaves the rest of the base and every tower on the map to NC territory. And I also mentioned that the Lasher was the VS's only despised weapon.


Outside, i would say the prowler was less flexible and at a disadvantage against air vehciles when it only had one gunner, but as far as tank v tank goes it was about the same, i would say slightly weaker than the mag and van over all. If you added a third gunner then it became more powerful than the other two.. but a much more tempting target too. The vanguard and magrider were pretty even. The driver of the mag had a gun that was actualy useful, the direct fire fast moving bolt from the main turret was great for fighting vehicles (both air and ground, prowler and vanguard main gun shells were extremely difficult to hit air targets with) but it was not so good against infantry where the prowler and vanguard had a definite advantage due to arcing shells with fairly large AoE. If there was water around, the mag was at a huge advantage, you only scored damage with a direct hit from the main guns of the prowler/vanguard since there was no splash damage when the shells hit the water.


Pretty clear you speak from a viewpoint based on paper and not practice. Rule number #1 while driving a Magrider, never charge another MBT, especially a Vanguard. Rule #2, never use the driver gun against aircraft, your maneuverability get's shot to hell and you follow suit. #3 The only time the PPA should be used is against fleeing vehicles. All other targets cause severe mobility issues while attempting to aim the PPA. The driver was more effective running infantry over after landing a few rounds (as part of a 20 round spray) then just shooting. Won't argue about the water thing.

The Magrider's mobility didn't make effective use of the PPA since strafe was severely limited compared to forward movement. The MBTs were especially good representations of the differences between empire strengths and weaknesses in practice compared to paper.

And people have done the math, a Prowler with a secondary gunner wasn't much of a match against a Vanguard. Against a Magrider it was, but not a Vanguard. The MBTs were balanced based on weapons useable at the same time, and the Vannie could only use one of it's two weapons so it was given better armor and a stronger punch to "compensate". Which made it the better tank overall.


Everyone had strengths and weaknesses all this cra about nc having better gear than everyone else is total bollocks, if they were, then it would have been like it was during lasher 2.0 where the vanu controlled the entire bloody map all the time.

I don't even remember Lasher 2.0, think I missed it. But I really really doubt a single HA weapon caused that much of an imbalance.

And no it's not bollocks. It's simple David vs Goliath. Except David didn't have a sling.

Vydofnir
2012-06-20, 03:38 AM
I feel like all of the factions have their positive and negative qualities, so I substituted "hate" for "look forward to killing the most". That may seem just as bad, but I think I have a certain respect for TR players even though I intend to kill the TR as much as humanly possible. I feel like playing as the NC will be a challenging and rewarding gaming experience (although it seems like most people on this thread seem to think otherwise), and I feel like fighting the TR will provide a great challenge as well. Not to mention I think I'll have a much harder time bringing myself to kill VS when they look so damn swank!

xnorb
2012-06-20, 04:06 AM
Voted without ever having played any PS :)

I'm going TR - they seem to be the ass-kickers in Planetside.
And voted i hate the VS because here in this forum they seem to spread
lots of elitism and i already feel the urge to kick their asses *g*

musefrog
2012-06-20, 06:16 AM
Well, I particulary have no hate against any of the other factions. Im fighting for something, and they dont want that to happen. But I never forget that the ones that im killing are people.
This. All the empires have sympathetic aspects (though like this guy, I'm probably NC).

Otleaz
2012-06-20, 06:35 AM
This. All the empires have sympathetic aspects (though like this guy, I'm probably NC).

The NC let themselves get manipulated into starting one of the most pointless wars in history. People constantly told them how big of a mistake they were making but they refused to listen. The best part of it all though, is that they don't even regret it... They still think they are doing the right thing.

Sorry, but no sympathy for the NC, by far the worst faction out of the three.

Tikuto
2012-06-20, 07:05 AM
I'm TR and I hate VS the most.

I was VS in PlanetSide1 but at heart was always TR. PlanetSide2 will settle a verdict and enact judgement!

FOCK YEAAGH! DIE PURPLE POWER-PUFF PANSIES! :rock:

SergeantNubins
2012-06-20, 09:56 AM
I don't even remember Lasher 2.0, think I missed it. But I really really doubt a single HA weapon caused that much of an imbalance.

And no it's not bollocks. It's simple David vs Goliath. Except David didn't have a sling.

You didnt play back then, so you just told me that you have less experience with ps1 than me yet are telling me you know better and my stuff is based on paper. Lasher 2.0 was when they hugely buffed the lasher, it lashed without limitation and did more damage at a faster fire rate, it was impossible to win against the vanu inside and as soon as it came out they dominated the world map, pushing both tr and nc back to their sanctuaries over and over again. I actually remember having conversations with cr5's in the TR trying to organise a fight between the NC and them so that we didn't have to engage the vanu. In fact i have a video drom during that time where you can actually see a vanu player miss every single shot he fired and still kill me whilst I was reloading (hes looking at the floor and trying to track me whilst firing down with shots landing about a meter behind me but still damaging me).

I've played all three factions i know what they are good and not good at. Stair cases, spawn rooms are close areas, but you have to get there first .. involving movement through open areas and corridors. It takes a shit load more white ammo to kill a max than it does vanu plasma jizz ammo - it requires a reload - circa 3 seconds to complete, a full 12 clip round + another reload with another couple of shots at point blank range to finish them off with the gold ammo. Unless they changed something drastic in the last 6 months, and whilst you are doing that you are basically incapable of engaging infantry until you have changed your ammo back, where as you can do them both at the same time. Over longer distances. You only used white ammo against maxes if you didnt have a choice and then you usualyl just died barely scracthing it. Your comments are fairly tyical of a vanu player who is not used to having to plan ahead with two different types of ammo pack, since all of your guns only need one and dont need reloads to switch.

I didnt say use the driver gun to engage aircraft, i said use the main gun - you know, the big one that shoots fast moving high powered projectiles in a straight line? Something thats pretty damn useful at shooting air targets as you dont have to calculate for a slower moving projectile with an arcing fire?

Either way, if there was a problem with balance and the nc were o/p and had all the best gear, then you would see them winning and dominating the map all the time. As it happens, apart from during lasher 2.0, there have been precious few times when ANY empire has dominated the map.. that means the empires are balanced in how they are and this crap about nc having better gear is exactly that.. crap.

cBselfmonkey
2012-06-20, 10:47 AM
The NC let themselves get manipulated into starting one of the most pointless wars in history. People constantly told them how big of a mistake they were making but they refused to listen. The best part of it all though, is that they don't even regret it... They still think they are doing the right thing.

Sorry, but no sympathy for the NC, by far the worst faction out of the three.

Bringing down tyrannical dictators is never is never pointless. :nazi:

Landtank
2012-06-20, 10:58 AM
The NC let themselves get manipulated into starting one of the most pointless wars in history. People constantly told them how big of a mistake they were making but they refused to listen. The best part of it all though, is that they don't even regret it... They still think they are doing the right thing.

Sorry, but no sympathy for the NC, by far the worst faction out of the three.

Sounds like someone hates freedom! Why do you hate freedom? Is it the idea of liberty and justice for all that you hate, or just free will?

Freedom over oppression!

cBselfmonkey
2012-06-20, 11:09 AM
Same could be said for transhumanism :P

Kalbuth
2012-06-20, 11:14 AM
And people have done the math, a Prowler with a secondary gunner wasn't much of a match against a Vanguard. Against a Magrider it was, but not a Vanguard. The MBTs were balanced based on weapons useable at the same time, and the Vannie could only use one of it's two weapons so it was given better armor and a stronger punch to "compensate". Which made it the better tank overall.



I don't even remember Lasher 2.0, think I missed it. But I really really doubt a single HA weapon caused that much of an imbalance.

And no it's not bollocks. It's simple David vs Goliath. Except David didn't have a sling.

Don't know where your maths come from and when they were calculated, but prowler outdamages in terms of DPS the other 2 tanks, and this with only the main gunner. The VG armor levels up the field, and TTK between both are rather equal. Where Prowler sucks in PS1 is on top speed and more than everything, acceleration, making him stopped at the slightest slope, and every bump dead-stop him. Horrible to drive.

Your description of magriders shows knowledge of the beast, though :) I always prefered mag over the other 2, because I was VS at launch, and the real difference between mag and the other 2 make him stand out.

During the first months of PS1, there, and only there, VS were really the underpowered empire, with the 2-3 weeks of Lasher 2.0 in august 2003 being the exception (and yes, this tool was the most overpowered error made by SOE, we were attacking AIRCRAFT with freaking lashers, and winning). If you didn't play VS at that time, you don't really know what "common pool empire" means :) Our strong points were a tank that could squish infantry instead of shooting at it efficiently, and a AV weapon mainly used as a infantry sniper replacement. Everything else rather sucked.

Since then, with several lasher and pulsar buffs, general MAX buff, Striker nerf, and a whole bunch of changes, they are kind of easy mode, honestly. Most annoyingly, the lasher is the best group HA of the 3, the effects of Lasher spam are devastating when a group is charging. JH, while being the beast 1vs1, is not tailored for group fighting (try going face2face on your target without breaking the LoS of your comrades, good luck).
All in all, we're far more balanced today than in May 2003 :)


I've played all 3 empires, mostly VS and NC, thus I don't have ties anymore, and I don't particularly hate one empire. I just hate my ennemies.

Rago
2012-06-20, 11:34 AM
Vanu Side

I dont hate other Players i shoot them cause "We are Superior"
Anyway i Voted Archenemy as TR , for using that Amount of Bullets.:D

:vsrocks:

Khagan Impi
2012-06-20, 11:52 AM
I would perhaps be more partial to the Vanu if they were not so bloody insane about their technology. If you treat everything like a religion and a holy war against barbarians, you're not going to get very far in terms of progression. Indeed, that sort of mindset would probably cause regression in terms of technological prowess. Hoarding alien technology and rejecting all else will eventually lead you to a wall.

The NC's freedom is also sold by their multiple corporate sponsors. I'm not entirely pleased by the fact that my freedom is brought to you by Nanite Systems or whatever corporation of the month. That sort of thing is not a very good road to lead down.

The TR are a pretty bog-standard militaristic democracy/dictatorship(?). As much as they are pretty much the archetype fascist state, they seem to be fairly moderate in some aspects and aren't entirely jumping the gun everywhere.

Still, it's an entirely nuanced choice and should depend more on game-play than backstory.

MrKWalmsley
2012-06-20, 12:40 PM
I am NC and I dislike TR.

The reason being is that at least the VS has a bit of class. Simples.

Metakill
2012-06-27, 06:32 PM
When I first read about PS1's factions pre-launch I was totally for the NC. I knew they were going to be the underdogs from the beginning because I knew people wanted lasers or mini-guns, the hit hard thing wasn't popular enough then except with the Quake fan crowd. Initially I kind of liked the VS but it wasn't long till I developed a deep hatred for them.

The problem with the VS is that they are the crowd that buys a piece of tech because it looks cool and you can pick your color, they're the wannabe hipsters, the Apple fan boys and the people who will buy Windows 8 at launch, the tablet users who tweet about their new app and dumb jokes, the schizo Facebook users who care far too much about their boyfriend/girlfriend relationship status. Being a Marik fan from Battle Tech, the VS have soiled the color purple so much its just not cool anymore. Everybody I've known who is a VS fan from PS in other games is like this in some way (bar 1). If you ask a VS what they want, its a better laser gun, because they really don't know what they want next until someone makes it for them.

The problem with VS is that they are USERS, the vast majority are there to follow the trend of novelty. They don't think for themselves they pay someone to do that for them. They don't make the tech and don't really fully understand how it even works, but they are plugged in to Oceania and The Party and that is all that matters to them.

After allowing a friend to bait me into playing VS for a week, after reading the Command channel's continuous "spam this, now spam that, spam more this" I got fed up with the facade of intelligence that masks their elitism and material desire. I love the people from VS but my god are they so misguided.

The TR aren't the bad guys they are just the traditionalist who have a different opinion, the VS represent exactly where technology should never go, the theocracy of want.

Otleaz
2012-06-27, 06:37 PM
When I first read about PS1's factions pre-launch I was totally for the NC. I knew they were going to be the underdogs from the beginning because I knew people wanted lasers or mini-guns, the hit hard thing wasn't popular enough then except with the Quake fan crowd. Initially I kind of liked the VS but it wasn't long till I developed a deep hatred for them.

The problem with the VS is that they are the crowd that buys a piece of tech because it looks cool and you can pick your color, they're the wannabe hipsters, the Apple fan boys and the people who will buy Windows 8 at launch, the tablet users who tweet about their new app and dumb jokes, the schizo Facebook users who care far too much about their boyfriend/girlfriend relationship status. Being a Marik fan from Battle Tech, the VS have soiled the color purple so much its just not cool anymore. Everybody I've known who is a VS fan from PS in other games is like this in some way (bar 1). If you ask a VS what they want, its a better laser gun, because they really don't know what they want next until someone makes it for them.

The problem with VS is that they are USERS, the vast majority are there to follow the trend of novelty. They don't think for themselves they pay someone to do that for them. They don't make the tech and don't really fully understand how it even works, but they are plugged in to Oceania and The Party and that is all that matters to them.

After allowing a friend to bait me into playing VS for a week, after reading the Command channel's continuous "spam this, now spam that, spam more this" I got fed up with the facade of intelligence that masks their elitism and material desire. I love the people from VS but my god are they so misguided.

The TR aren't the bad guys they are just the traditionalist who have a different opinion, the VS represent exactly where technology should never go, the theocracy of want.

If you replace every "VS" with "NC" in your post, it would fit 10x better. The NC have been established as the "mainstream" faction for quite a while.

Just sayin'

Metakill
2012-06-27, 06:43 PM
If you replace every "VS" with "NC" in your post, it would fit 10x better. The NC have been established as the "mainstream" faction for quite a while.

Just sayin'

If NC have become the new mainstream then so be it, trends change, but it wasn't that way when I played. I played back in 2003 and again in 2007 so maybe I'm out dated.

cBselfmonkey
2012-06-27, 06:45 PM
If you replace every "VS" with "NC" in your post, it would fit 10x better. The NC have been established as the "mainstream" faction for quite a while.

Just sayin'

Actually almost every poll I've found on the subject, including the Facebook Empire recruitment page, has the TR as the most popular faction by a large margin. Followed by the VS with the NC coming in dead last.

Admittedly this would be just the more hardcore fans being counted and things could certainly change once the game is out. But as of right now the NC don't seem to have the 'mainstream' appeal at the moment.

Sephirex
2012-06-27, 07:01 PM
I'm Sephirex and I hate puppies.

cBselfmonkey
2012-06-27, 07:04 PM
I'm Sephirex and I hate puppies.

You monster.

vVRedOctoberVv
2012-06-27, 07:55 PM
TR (obviously). Dislike the VS most. They remind me of a purple Jar-Jar Binks.

http://www.nypost.com/r/nypost/blogs/movies/201202/images/jarjar.jpg

Baneblade
2012-06-27, 08:22 PM
The NC didn't become the dominant empire until players began to realize you have to aim that shotgun. It isn't spray and pray like the mcg and lasher.

But once that happened, the game quickly evolved into an NC dominated slant. Even nerfed, NC still has the finest line up of all three empires.

FPClark
2012-06-27, 08:33 PM
aim that shotgun

:lol::rofl::rolleyes:

HeatLegend
2012-06-27, 08:43 PM
Interesting Poll. I voted NC hating VS.

My logic: To be fair it feels like the NC and TR are fighting their own war of freedom from oppression from NC's side and putting down the disorder of the rebelious troops from the TR's side.

And then we have the VS... They stand for nothing and are kind of outside the whole main conflict, they're just in the way for what really matters. They do have lasers though, and that's their charm. And that is why I dislike them most.
We all love technology.

greenberetdelta
2012-06-28, 04:09 PM
NC may be disgusting anarchists but like its been said before they wont destroy the human race

Baneblade
2012-06-28, 04:19 PM
:lol::rofl::rolleyes:

I take it you do not agree. I was under the impression the idea was to kill something... the Jackhammer is easy to miss the entire shot with if you get lazy.

HavokZzz
2012-06-28, 04:20 PM
As a TR, I cannot stand the NC :-)

jepaul
2012-06-28, 04:28 PM
I hate anyone who bitches about zergs, fps esports, professional gamers, and computer hardware designed to give you an edge. Which pretty much covers about 96% of people here regardless of faction.

I didn't see that option so I figured I would type it out.

MrMorton
2012-06-28, 04:42 PM
so the most hated race is officially NC,

cool

Karrade
2012-06-28, 06:27 PM
TR - Stompin Smurfs is where the fun is. VS are more an aggravation that we occasionally have to swat out of the way on the road to more smurf stompin.

so the most hated race is officially NC,

cool

Blame a certain shotgun for that :p

Maniox
2012-06-28, 08:51 PM
NC haters >:(

NC will rule the planet! (kind of hypocrites)

Zidane
2012-06-29, 01:25 AM
TR FTW!!!!!!!!!!

Metalsheep
2012-07-05, 11:16 AM
Coming from PS1, the combination of Jackhammer, Phoenix Snipers, excessive OSK infantry vehicles and Scat-MAXs makes me hate the NC with a fiery passion. Pretty much all their weapons are ludicrous. I don't mind the VS so much, i respect the Lancer, Pulsar and Lasher, as well as their MAX suits. I find the VS infinity more enjoyable to fight than the NC, when Batsteg isn't blowing the gens immediately at least.

(I'm TR in case it wasn't obvious.)

MaxoramaUSMC
2012-07-05, 11:21 AM
I have been Vanu and a member of Xen of Onslaught for the last 9 years. I bleed XoO and I bleed the Purple and Teal.

I have to say though...I hate the Elmo's more than the Smurfs. I can respect a group of individuals who can hit hard and need to make their shots count to be effective. I cannot however...Ever respect a group that relies on pure shit-luck of pathetic pea-shooters that do hardly any damage on their own...But just spray enough ammo to kill someone.

Join the Terran Republic! No aim or skill required!

Wait... Did you say the TR require no skill.... hello scatmax. Jackhammer? Atleast TR need to aim.

Rivenshield
2012-07-05, 03:20 PM
TR Markov here. The struggle between us and the surgile Smurfs with their atomic powered shotguns was always center stage. The Purple Pajama People merely got in the way.

The Kush
2012-07-05, 03:23 PM
Haters are your biggest fans boys

Luieburger
2012-07-05, 03:50 PM
Why does everybody hate NC so much, and why does NC have a slight grudge against VS? You'd think everybody would hate TR.

I guess I'm a minority being VS and hating TR the most. Of course, TR is my 2nd choice for a faction.

Wahooo
2012-07-05, 03:53 PM
Haters are your biggest fans boys

Spoken like a true high school guidance councilor trying to cheer up the emo kid and hope one day he stops cutting himself.

NC always had the highest % of D-bags that were attracted to playing easy mode.

It was hilarious the 4th empire hoppers that jumped to OP lasher then when it was nerfed to its current state there were countless threads about which is more OP MCG or JH. For some reason a bunch of VS agreed it was the MCG and all the 4th empire went there till they realized the JH was more easy mode and NC ranks swelled.

So maybe I don't hate the NC the most but I hate the 4th empire most... they just happen to prefer easymode JH and SCAT.

The Kush
2012-07-05, 05:13 PM
Spoken like a true high school guidance councilor trying to cheer up the emo kid and hope one day he stops cutting himself.

NC always had the highest % of D-bags that were attracted to playing easy mode.

It was hilarious the 4th empire hoppers that jumped to OP lasher then when it was nerfed to its current state there were countless threads about which is more OP MCG or JH. For some reason a bunch of VS agreed it was the MCG and all the 4th empire went there till they realized the JH was more easy mode and NC ranks swelled.

So maybe I don't hate the NC the most but I hate the 4th empire most... they just happen to prefer easymode JH and SCAT.

And you sound like the kids who I beat up all the time in high school. Ya know the little cry babies that wouldn't drink or smoke weed because it was against the law haha.

And your logic fails, the jackhammer requires the most accuracy. The mcg and lasher you just sprayed bullets like a noob.

Sephirex
2012-07-05, 05:18 PM
And you sound like the kids who I beat up all the time in high school. Ya know the little cry babies that wouldn't drink or smoke weed because it was against the law haha.


http://i1.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/007/508/watch-out-we-got-a-badass-over-here-meme.png

Required.

Greeniegriz
2012-07-05, 05:51 PM
Im NC and I hate people who think that just because a dog is or looks a pit bull, its violent and bad.

Cheers,

GG

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Doxy
2012-07-05, 06:01 PM
It's all about peace.

http://1.bp.blogspot.com/_fbpKoH6XwS8/TUjoaDbOGEI/AAAAAAAABSs/H9C3_hwxw7A/s1600/the_fifth_element_movie_image_chris_tucker_01.jpg

SmallBird
2012-07-05, 06:10 PM
Cool, an unofficial faction breakdown by the participants who voted on this thread (1260 votes).

NC = 17.69 + 14.87 = 32.56%
VS = 9.49 + 17.95 = 27.44%
TR = 24.87 + 15.13 = 40%

Good stuff ;)

Sephirex
2012-07-05, 06:12 PM
Cool, an unofficial faction breakdown by the participants who voted on this thread (1260 votes).

NC = 17.69 + 14.87 = 32.56%
VS = 9.49 + 17.95 = 27.44%
TR = 24.87 + 15.13 = 40%

Good stuff ;)

Only proves the TR are the most willing to express their hate, while VS are the most at inner-peace.

SmallBird
2012-07-05, 06:20 PM
Only proves the TR are the most willing to express their hate, while VS are the most at inner-peace.

Very good point :)

Wahooo
2012-07-05, 06:30 PM
And you sound like the kids who I beat up all the time in high school. Ya know the little cry babies that wouldn't drink or smoke weed because it was against the law haha.

And your logic fails, the jackhammer requires the most accuracy. The mcg and lasher you just sprayed bullets like a noob.

LOL. Delusional memories of grandeur that artificially elevate one’s poor self esteem by trying, yet failing, to promote themselves as superior to their peers, and not quite bright enough to know the difference between “aiming” and “pointing”.
Yep, that’s the NC.
NC, requiring the most pointing skill since 2003.

Ratstomper
2012-07-05, 06:36 PM
LOL. Delusional memories of grandeur that artificially elevate one’s poor self esteem by trying, yet failing, to promote themselves as superior to their peers, and not quite bright enough to know the difference between “aiming” and “pointing”.
Yep, that’s the NC.
NC, requiring the most pointing skill since 2003.

I'm ambivalent to your gameplay argument, but there ARE times where I wish some NC were on other factions...

Bullying is for TR, not NC.

Aractain
2012-07-05, 06:37 PM
Im taking this as clear proof that the TR was underpowered. GG.

Ratstomper
2012-07-05, 06:40 PM
On a side note: I'm curious how many women play each faction. I'm willing to bet NC ranks last in that regard...

Ghoest9
2012-07-05, 06:40 PM
If you hate the Vanu chances are you like the NC slightly better than TR(this wpuld be me)

This isnt surprising because for unto themselves the NC are the most similar in ideal to Americans so its kind of a default. People who hate the Vanu are mostly defined by hating the Vanu not by their own faction.

Sephirex
2012-07-05, 06:40 PM
On a side note: I'm curious how many women play each faction. I'm willing to bet NC ranks last in that regard...

Ladies love the Purple.

Ratstomper
2012-07-05, 06:42 PM
Ladies love the Purple.

It seems to be true. I've also seen a handful in TR. Don't ever see any girls playing NC.

Makes me sad. :(

MrKWalmsley
2012-07-05, 06:53 PM
LOL. Delusional memories of grandeur that artificially elevate one’s poor self esteem by trying, yet failing, to promote themselves as superior to their peers, and not quite bright enough to know the difference between “aiming” and “pointing”.
Yep, that’s the NC.
NC, requiring the most pointing skill since 2003.

Not all of us are that stupid. Some of us actually refuse to do stuff because we don't want to rather that doing it because we are afraid of what other people will call us.

Anyway, onto the question.

I am human and I hate idiocy, no matter who it manifests in.

But in terms of the poll specifically, I am NC and I hate Vanu. Mainly because their social ideology is practically TR but they haven't the balls of the TR to admit it.

TacosWLove
2012-07-05, 07:10 PM
My name is Matt, and I hate beautiful women. Thank you for finally having a thread to express this!

(seriously, whats our next poll, what my favorite keys on the keyboard are?)

Ratstomper
2012-07-05, 07:12 PM
My name is Matt, and I hate beautiful women. Thank you for finally having a thread to express this!

(seriously, whats our next poll, what my favorite keys on the keyboard are?)

See what drinking the koodlaid does, kids? It makes you hate.