BR and CR reset after beta?

[Dacrim]

I know alot of MMOs reset the experience each player has earned after the beta so people dont start out super powerful when the game launches but i dont see as much of a need for that in PS2 seeing as how this game has "side grades" rather than "upgrades".

Im curious as to whether this will be implemented at the end of the PS2 beta. What do you guys think?

[AvacadoEight]

I think they stated they will be wiping the game before it goes live. At least in Closed Beta. They may not wipe open beta, because hey, its open. Anyone can join, if you were late its your fault.

[Dacrim]

indeed

[xnorb]

I think they will do like everybody does and wipe before it goes live.

Could imagine some extra for those participating in the Beta, tho (some funky
armor camo or something).

[BigBossMonkey]

There will probably several wipes during beta as they discover various gamebreaking bugs and exploits.

I imagine there may be one at the end, but Higby (or someone on the team) said they may not depending how it goes.

[CutterJohn]

After the closed betas, undoubtedly. Open betas/public betas? Tough to say.

Release for a F2P game thats been in public beta amounts to little more than removing the 'beta' disclaimer. I could definitely see them letting players keep their BR/CR so long as it wasn't artificially accelerated for testing purposes at that time.

IIRC, when Tribes:Ascend released, public beta participants were able to keep their unlocks and whatnot. There had of course been several wipes beforehand as they progressed through stages of beta, but players at the tail end of the public beta definitely kept their progression through release.

[Bags]

There is no CR any more.

[SKYeXile]

it would make sense. that been said, it probably wont happen.

[Zulthus]

Of course there ought to be... fresh game = fresh start. Why should you be able to keep your BR from Beta?

[Bags]

Of course there ought to be... fresh game = fresh start. Why should you be able to keep your BR from Beta?

If it's an open beta, why not? /devilsadvocate

[Brusi]

I expect that they will not wipe characters between open beta and release...

Because Cash Shop

[DOUBLEXBAUGH]

Did EA reset experience after BF3's Beta?

What? You knew someone was going there eventually ;)

[BigBossMonkey]

There is no CR any more.

Well, there is, sorta.

It's a cert category now

[Otleaz]

If it's an open beta, why not? /devilsadvocate

Open beta implies the game isn't balanced enough to launch. If it isn't balanced, things would be out of wack.

At least, that is the logic. It is a bit flimsy since it will undoubtedly never truly be balanced, and will undergo buffs and nerfs constantly. I suppose you could say these changes will be more drastic in open beta.

[SKYeXile]

I expect that they will not wipe characters between open beta and release...

Because Cash Shop

no reason they cant reset everything except cash shop purchases. they dont need to delete characters.

[BigBossMonkey]

I expect that they will not wipe characters between open beta and release...

Because Cash Shop

They can reset characters stats/levels/certs without affecting cash shop purchases.

[CutterJohn]

Open beta implies the game isn't balanced enough to launch. If it isn't balanced, things would be out of wack.

At least, that is the logic. It is a bit flimsy since it will undoubtedly never truly be balanced, and will undergo buffs and nerfs constantly. I suppose you could say these changes will be more drastic in open beta.

By the time a game is in open/public beta stages, the major balance nightmares are generally taken care of. At this point its more about bug squishing and performance than balance.

[The Kush]

I think there will be a wipe but not a complete one. I could see merits staying like "participating in beta" or something. I'm also curious to see how the cash shop will work.

[WNxThentar]

I know alot of MMOs reset the experience each player has earned after the beta so people dont start out super powerful when the game launches but i dont see as much of a need for that in PS2 seeing as how this game has "side grades" rather than "upgrades".

Im curious as to whether this will be implemented at the end of the PS2 beta. What do you guys think?

I think it should be reset. The only thing I'd want is the ability to keep is my name...not that I think anyone else will use it.

[Ragefighter]

everything should be reset as if you never even logged in before.

Beta should not be a head start in the game it is purely for testing.

I think they will open the cash shop in beta for testing. You shouldn't have to buy items just to see how/if they work properly. even if they just do a few general items in it for 0sc in beta is cool. that way the system is tested. I can't see them actually charging money during the beta...

[WNxThentar]

no reason they cant reset everything except cash shop purchases. they dont need to delete characters.

During Beta you probably won't be able to buy anything with real world money from the shop.

[SKYeXile]

During Beta you probably won't be able to buy anything with real world money from the shop.

during closed beta yea, but in their final 1-2 week open beta before launch, id expect you would be able to.

[Tarconus]

They can reset characters stats/levels/certs without affecting cash shop purchases.

No because you can buy xp boosters so it would effect it to wipe it if someone had used that and gotten the xp.

[Tarconus]

I can't see them actually charging money during the beta...

Tribes ascend did, mech warrior online is going to as well. Open beta is basically release now, with them keeping the beta name on there so that if they have to wipe, or have data loss they can point to that label.

That's just the way the trend has been going. And the companies like to do it cause the money starts coming in sooner.

[Zebasiz]

I can imagine ranks and points being changed around a lot during beta. They want to find any balance or glitch issues, so they may give say, 30% of the pop full ranks and all certs, while the rest are given half that or none, or other combos, just to see if it all works out ok.

Open beta I could see them leaving the ranks in, because then when the game launches you will have some people at launch with some command certs who can lead groups right away. instead of no one being able to drive anything for the first few hours/day.

[Sabot]

Because Beta will probably be hosted in the US by SOE, and after beta when servers go live in Asia and Europe there will be a few account cloging up the server for nothing. Might not be all that bad, but I'm thinking it's more likely they don't wipe close beta when open beta starts, and after that they wipe all toons completely.

[BillyBob]

I would be very surprised if every single point in the game (regardless of type) were not completely reset when closed beta is done. This goes for all player data btw...which means I'd pretty much expect a complete general character wipe at that point.

In fact, having been in several betas myself, I can't recall ever having seen it done any other way. It's more or less industry standard, especially for MMO's.

Regarding the open beta, I'm not so sure as they could go for a different approach.

Given the nature of the game however, I would personally guess they'd go for a complete character wipe and server reset prior to launch. Just makes most sense IMO.

/BB

[Notser]

I would say the account won't be reset, testing cash shop purchases and all the server side stuff is vital to moving smoothly into release. But characters will be wiped when the server list gets updated to what it will be around release. Probably will scale the beta servers up very slowly to keep population close to max capacity constantly to check stability, balance, etc.

[Sledgecrushr]

Im thinking at the end of beta they wont restart our characters. This will probably be the bonus for participating in beta. My opinion...

[Greenthy]

People argue that it's unfair to get an advantage, but then what do you think of ppl that start the game 1month later than others ?
Especially for an open beta this seems rather pointless (certainly for a f2p game)

I'm hoping that the beta testers don't get wiped, they spend the time in the game so they should get some sort of reward.

[Dart]

Sorry Wild but i suspect you're wrong. Add others have said it's all about the cash shop (and specifically the exp boosters). Firstly, as a f2p game you can bet the shop will be open asap; that's just good business. So if we're buying consumable boosters during beta they have two choices; 1) no wipe and characters roll over to live 2) they do wipe and refund all your cash shop purchases. I had a long discussion about this with a clan-mate who has worked professionally as a tester and he said the industry is actually moving more towards option 1 (see Tribes). Open beta isn't really beta as we might think of it and the companies are keen to start making money as fast as possible.

For those reasons I'm expecting there to be no wipe from open beta to live, although if there was and we received store credit that wouldn't be a shock either.

[Greenthy]

Would we not be applying XP gained in beta towards unlocks that initial non-beta players wouldnt have? And this is "fair" how?

And yeah I know all about Cannuck. I could stand tribes about 30 minutes of gameplay. Looks like he faired a bit better.

how is it fair to ppl that start a year after the game is released ?
life is not fair :)

Why do ppl live in the recess now, why do ppl get born into poor african families...

[Exmortius]

i'm sure it will reset. beta will be on testing servers and not production servers like johari/markov/emerald etc..

[Itsme]

I think there is gonna be a wipe after Closed and Open Beta unless they find a way for the Non American beta testers to keep their toons/cashshop purchases on their local servers.

[kaffis]

It probably depends on the volume and severity of balance-affecting bug-fixing and balance passes they end up having to do in open beta.

If there's some exploit by which people could quintuple their xp gain that gets patched a week before launch... I'd expect a wipe before launch. Likewise if one of the faction-specific weapons was doing quadruple damage with no bloom. Patched, and followed up with a pre-launch wipe.

If most of that sort of thing gets hammered out in closed beta, or early in a long open beta, and most of the work ends up being engine optimization and netcode tweaking, I could see the game launching without a wipe.

[Xyntech]

As has been mentioned, I don't see why they would need to reset them after open beta.

But closed beta is different. The reason being that we aren't playing the game in closed beta, we are testing it. This means that the devs will probably artificially inflate our levels for testing purposes at times, which would be retarded to keep after beta.

So once all of the major testing is out of the way, sure, they could let players keep their stats if they wanted to, but during most of closed beta they may be constantly wiping and increasing our stats as they see fit.

[Nasher]

I think they will wipe at least before open beta. If they are making a lot of changes (especially to the database itself) then it's a good idea to wipe everything.

[Sledgecrushr]

Dont get me wrong, they will wipe your character probably many times. At the end of beta though there is little reason to wipe characters, of course this is with the presumption that the cash shop will be live near the end of beta. If the cash shop goes live with full release then we will all be wiped.

[Grapes]

I would be okay with them wiping all stats before the game goes live. But if they allow real money purchases in the beta for cameos and other things, then I expect to at least get to keep what we paid for.