Which faction attracts the more tactically thinking player?

[Cufox]

I expect PS2 to bring a new generation of FPS players and it got me thinking of how to select my faction this time around. It seems wise to consider what faction appeals most to tactically thinking individuals. For PS long term vets, which faction seems to have the most rational thinking zerg, and which one has the most cooperative outfits?

[super pretendo]

I hear people saying NC is where the CoD-kid players go, but I couldn't tell you.

[Zekeen]

I hear people saying NC is where the CoD-kid players go, but I couldn't tell you.

Ick! Someone else take them! Don't want don't want!

Seriously though, it's spread out. You're not going to find a "smarter faction".

There we some traits of each faction, but that was different for each server.

On my server, the VS had a trait of only jumping into fights between NC and TR, and basically waited for one side to get weak before jumping on it rather than fighting a 3 way war. They also found a way around continent locking during the event prior to BFRs and got theirs 2 weeks earlier. NC and TR had enough sense and patience to actually TEAM UP for these 2 weeks.

VS was cunning or cowardly, depending how you look at it, but the TR and NC had enough discipline to have 90% of the population fighting together. You literally had NC and TR soldiers shoulder to shoulder firing at the first VS BFRs.

It's too difficult to decide which "Faction" is the most tactical, they all have their perks, and everyone is spread out 33-33-33.

[Bags]

I don't think any faction appeals more to the "Tactically thinking" player.

[xnorb]

I hope there will not be any major differences between factions when it
comes to teamwork abilities.

With the same tools it's just a question of the players, and there's no way
to tell which faction this or that player will choose.

[Coreldan]

yeah.. all factions have their share of tactical thinking players and the good share of killwhoring CoD-kids :D

While probably not from the most tactical extreme, I still emphasise it highly and it isnt/wasnt really a relevant question to me when choosing which faction to go, that I pretty much chose based on what I liked visually/ideologically.

[Cufox]

I am not sure, it seems that each faction has a draws to peoples' personalities. I wonder if that draw can correlate into a more mature FPS approach. Certainly the COD children are a somewhat terrifying consideration. It seems that the faction that draws the more mature FPS player has a slight edge. Or at least the faction that follows directions better or whose casuals are stronger players.

I understand all the factions have great players/outfits/leaders. I just wonder if the skill level of the average casual player is higher based on faction.

[Ertwin]

Well the VS are likely to have a higher ratio of sci fi geeks....make of that what you will.

[AThreatToYou]

VS, in my experience, have always called and gotten more strategic and tactical players. Join them if you want more thinking in your shooting.

TR have been a mixed bag. We're the most diverse, yknow?

NC have always been full of the least tactical and strategic players. I'm not saying they don't have smart outfits, because they do, but the average NC player has always been the dumbest of the three. Probably because their weapons have a reputation of being easier to use.

[xnorb]

Never trust a pony :)

Join TR, the master race that doesn't wear gaysuits :)

[Stew]

Nc will certainly have the most Efficient but also the most team work focus empire !

And all this Cod crap is getting lame Stop to think everything is COD related and also their is some COD kids who can kick your ass and are great team players Personally i dont like cod franchise but i have few friends who played it and they are really good team workers and also really good FPS players

mY MOST RECENT EXPERIENCE In large sclae combats was MAg on ps3 and MAg is all about team work team coordination comunication and of course FPS skills !

So Nc will atact some good some bad players but i Think out of the 3 Vs will atrack the most idiotic people and lone wolfers due to the (( cool )) and vanity aspect of it

also i think TR will have some others bad players who want to spray and prey and also have a serious look with red and black color !

So yeah Nc will atract serious gamers who want to work as a unit

This trailers show the Nc spirit ! We figth for freedom for honnor we figth as many but we win as one !

MAG - Trailer - Team - PS3 - YouTube

[VanstK]

On my server, the VS had a trait of only jumping into fights between NC and TR, and basically waited for one side to get weak before jumping on it rather than fighting a 3 way war.

VS, in my experience, have always called and gotten more strategic and tactical players. Join them if you want more thinking in your shooting.

That's because the VS were the Common Pool Empire for quite some time after release. At least on Konreid we kind of had to be sneaky bastards in order to win, since our weapons were such crap. Inferior weaponry meant we had to think before engaging, and that lead to things like butting into a TR-NC fight and sandwiching the loser. I'm almost looking forward to the same thing happening again. :D

[AThreatToYou]

So am I.

[Azren]

In the olden days the setup was simple:

TR - foot zerg empire
VS - "lasher über alles" empire
NC - "we got them' big tanks" empire

In the long run it changed though;

I saw the NC as being the most organised in the long run. When ever you pulled a tank there, you could be sure a lodestar wasn't far away. They put great emphasis on vehicle support. The story was less glorious onces inside bases. I don't remember being resurrected once.

The TR hardly ever used vehicles, they much preferred their minigun/rocket launcher combo. This is not to say it didn't work. It worked too damn well. In close combat fights they were the best and had the best support aswell. I remember locking down in my AI max at the end of the backdoor, having 2-3 engineers constantly repairing me and my fellow maxes beside me. Good times.

The VS on the other hand... well... They like to use their tanks, for good reason too. Getting support out for them is a different topic though, it was a common scene to see 6+ tanks rolling back to base to rearm, because nobody bothered to bring a loady. In base fights they rated between the other two empire in regards to support.

[AThreatToYou]

i imagine the VS didn't pull lodestars because they couldn't hold them, with mags being mags. Plus weren't mags the fastest? So it wasn't hard for them to get back to base and repair.

[EVILPIG]

This thread is fail.

[AThreatToYou]

I'm posting too much.

[Top Sgt]

as they said bro it's gonna be spread to all 3 factions.

Each faction will have some great tacticians and teamwork oriented outfits.

Each faction will also have their # of COD long gun wannabe 1337's.

Each faction will also have their share of Griefers also.

[Talented Maori]

This thread is fail.

Agree.

[Malorn]

I don't think you're going to find any faction attracts more tactically minded people than the others. I can't imagine seeing a correlation there. It seems more like personal taste.

I dont' think a particular faction will attract any specific type of person. Though some people like techhy things, so they'll pick Vanu. Some people like red & black so they'll pick TR, etc. Everything else is incidental to personal taste.

[Toppopia]

I actually hope all factions attract equal amounts of tactical and the 'COD' people. Because it will be pretty boring if one side has less tactical people that the other.

Equality!!

[Razicator]

PS2's factions are even moreso carbon copies of one another gameplay-wise. I doubt there will be any significant difference between the factions to warrant "attraction of tactically thinking players."

[Top Sgt]

Nc will certainly have the most Efficient but also the most team work focus empire !

And all this Cod crap is getting lame Stop to think everything is COD related and also their is some COD kids who can kick your ass and are great team players Personally i dont like cod franchise but i have few friends who played it and they are really good team workers and also really good FPS players

mY MOST RECENT EXPERIENCE In large sclae combats was MAg on ps3 and MAg is all about team work team coordination comunication and of course FPS skills !

So Nc will atact some good some bad players but i Think out of the 3 Vs will atrack the most idiotic people and lone wolfers due to the (( cool )) and vanity aspect of it

also i think TR will have some others bad players who want to spray and prey and also have a serious look with red and black color !

So yeah Nc will atract serious gamers who want to work as a unit

This trailers show the Nc spirit ! We figth for freedom for honnor we figth as many but we win as one !

MAG - Trailer - Team - PS3 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rhJGaFfW5c)


I am sorry i gotta put you on ignore. i just can't stand to read anymore garbage that comes out of your mouth.

Every topic you comment on it's always NC will have the best.. everyone else blows.. it's getting pathetic to read over and over.

I mean I am TR but also not an idiot teenager who believe TR is the only faction that's gonna have teamwork and tactics lol or the most just because it's the faction I choose.

Wow

[Madlaps]

What a chode..

[Rexdezi]

I am sorry i gotta put you on ignore. i just can't stand to read anymore garbage that comes out of your mouth.

Every topic you comment on it's always NC will have the best.. everyone else blows.. it's getting pathetic to read over and over.

I mean I am TR but also not an idiot teenager who believe TR is the only faction that's gonna have teamwork and tactics lol or the most just because it's the faction I choose.

Wow

His second paragraph was spot on... but yeah the rest of it was pure bullshit

[Toppopia]

I think all factions will attract all style of players. I bet there are people who spray and pray with guns like the M14 and such. It is possible. I have tried it. So i think all factions will have spray and pray, tactical spec oppy people that sneak around. Massive groups that just go "Screw it. CHARGE!!!" and all those in between.

[Coreldan]

Yeah, even as a die hard NC I can't say I agree with Stew :D

[I SandRock]

VS of course, we're scientists. We always use our brains.

[Karma]

TR are the most militaristic faction, so yeah TR. :)

[ParisTeta]

My guess from past expierence on PS1 is, that every Empire has their tactical players, and i would say about even, what differ ist, das TR and NC have a more direct appeal (Power through Mass, high RoF, alot of Bullets while NC hit hard, be strong) so the "normal" player, less focused player tend to be in those both empires.

Vanu had often lower population then the other so yes, they jump in the middle sometimes because of this.

I fear the VS has the same fate in PS2, bieng low population, we see if the bonuses help to keep pace with the other.

[Dart]

That's because the VS were the Common Pool Empire for quite some time after release. At least on Konreid we kind of had to be sneaky bastards in order to win, since our weapons were such crap. Inferior weaponry meant we had to think before engaging, and that lead to things like butting into a TR-NC fight and sandwiching the loser. I'm almost looking forward to the same thing happening again. :D

Holy cow. Vanst i haven't seen you in AGES! Hope you're well man.

Anyway the man is right. VS equipment was the least powerful of the three, particularly on the early days. This meant two things; the little kids who liked surgile quad-shotting went NC and the VS commanders had to raise their game to compete (although often in the early days they didn't compete). Certainly on Emerald and later Emerald & Konreid VS seemed to attract more tactical players. One in particular was so 'tactical' he'd never actually fight. He just sat in Tower spawn rooms disagreeing with the prevailing wisdom in command chat!

Who knows how PS2s communities will shake out tho. It'll have a lot to do with Empire balance.

[Dart]

I fear the VS has the same fate in PS2, bieng low population, we see if the bonuses help to keep pace with the other.

In accordance with the lore, VS should be under populated. In fact many of the leaders of the Vanu from PS1 only chose the Empire because it was always getting beaten up and wanted to help. By the end of the game the VS were arguably the strongest Empire.

[Toppopia]

Holy cow. Vanst i haven't seen you in AGES! Hope you're well man.

Anyway the man is right. VS equipment was the least powerful of the three, particularly on the early days. This meant two things; the little kids who liked surgile quad-shotting went NC and the VS commanders had to raise their game to compete (although often in the early days they didn't compete). Certainly on Emerald and later Emerald & Konreid VS seemed to attract more tactical players. One in particular was so 'tactical' he'd never actually fight. He just sat in Tower spawn rooms disagreeing with the prevailing wisdom in command chat!

Who knows how PS2s communities will shake out tho. It'll have a lot to do with Empire balance.

You always have to have the cranky old man who never helps, then right near the end of the movie he comes in and saves everyone. Did he ever do that? I guess not. And because this is free to play, and will have a set number of people 666 per faction, i don't see much unevenness happening.

[IHateMMOs]

Theres no valid answer to this thread. They're all the same, it all depends on the type of crowd you're playing with.

[Mechzz]

Well the VS are likely to have a higher ratio of sci fi geeks....make of that what you will.

Yeah, and mad professors make the best generals, don't they!
:doh::doh::doh:

[thegreekboy]

I didn't even play PS1 and I can tell you that it's a mixture of the 3. Every faction has their tactical thinkers and their mindless zergs. I would say NC would have MORE mindless zergs just because they are advertised as the "freedom fighters" and have the weapons with the highest damage.

[FastAndFree]

The obvious answer is, always the one that you are not playing as...

[thegreekboy]

The obvious answer is, always the one that you are not playing as...

^

Very true

[Luieburger]

Here is a quote from a friend of mine who played PS for many years.

In PS1, I played Vanu. Most of the "old timers" like me are probably sticking with their original empires. I played NC a little but never liked it. The people who played NC always seemed the most obnoxious, TR the most authoritarian/militaristic.

That's pretty much all I know. I expect Vanu has more calm/collected people. TR gets the older half of the obnoxious people, and NC gets the younger half.

I hypothesize that there is definitely a general difference between the factions as to who plays what faction. However, with PS2 being F2P and the sample size being much larger, it will probably be difficult to detect those differences.

My conclusion. Play Vanu. :)

[Landtank]

That's pretty much all I know. I expect Vanu has more calm/collected people. TR gets the older half of the obnoxious people, and NC gets the younger half.
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Well I wasn't aware that that's how it worked, seeing as all three factions have their own mixture of different people. No one faction is more obnoxious than the rest. Don't be fooled by the Vanu, they have their fair share of annoying people too.

[Kalbuth]

Well I wasn't aware that that's how it worked, seeing as all three factions have their own mixture of different people. No one faction is more obnoxious than the rest. Don't be fooled by the Vanu, they have their fair share of annoying people too.

That's not how it works indeed.
VS have their fair share of teenrage too

[Luieburger]

Don't be fooled by the Vanu, they have their fair share of annoying people too.

Oh definitely. No faction is immune to ass-hatery and the like. However, I still think that the different factions do attract more of one type of person than another.

There's no question that in WOW the Alliance attracted a different flavor of player than the Horde did. It's not fair to say that the Alliance is all Night Elf kiddies because that's not true. It's only partially true.

The same thing will apply in PS2, but to an extent that we have not witnessed yet. All we can do is hypothesize.

[Eyeklops]

The VS of course. Back in the PS1 heyday some VS weaponry was shit and required more teamwork/tactics than other empires to take territory. Even though most of the weaponry was fixed, the tactics and teamwork remained. This largely the reason most Vanu outfits will stomp TR/NC outfits of a similar size even with inferior weaponry.

[Grapes]

I am sorry i gotta put you on ignore. i just can't stand to read anymore garbage that comes out of your mouth.

Every topic you comment on it's always NC will have the best.. everyone else blows.. it's getting pathetic to read over and over.

I mean I am TR but also not an idiot teenager who believe TR is the only faction that's gonna have teamwork and tactics lol or the most just because it's the faction I choose.

Wow

I agree, this Stew guy is really getting on my nerves. I'm NC myself, but how the fuck should I know what faction will be best? Stew hasn't even tested the game, so I don't really see where he's pulling out all these conclusions. His ass, maybe?

[Graywolves]

No faction should attract more intelligent individuals than anyone else.


If anyone goes "X faction is zerg, Y faction takes most skill, Z Faction takes most organization and teamwork" you should just stop listening to them.


It is hard after years of faction loyalty though to not bash the other empires though.

[NewSith]

Statistically from Werner - VS had very teamplaying zerg, but personal skill was lacking for most of them, NC were totally unreliable in midst of a siege, but they had the most of the known killwhores, TR... hmmm. I'm biased and never really played with them, so I can't say anything positive about them. But one thing for sure - from a viewing point of a sniper - they were the easiest to take down in a footzerg.

[MCYRook]

With sufficiently high numbers, all empires will have pretty even shares of idiots, casual zergers, pr0s, and strategic masterminds. Suffice to say, no matter which empire you're on, you will always find plenty of people you wish weren't on your side. :D

IMO it's in not-so-huge numbers when you may find differences, and those are often due to a few good, tactical outfits that happen to be on one empire or the other, and attract good players from other empires as well.

This is assuming, however, that game balance doesn't significantly favor or shaft an empire. If that's the case, cliché says that the selfish "I wanna win!!" kiddies go to the overpowered empire, while the hardcore "for the empiah!" folks will stick with the underdogs. A faith you may believe in, or maybe you don't.

Btw, as for "PS 2 will breed a new kind of FPS gamers"... well don't get your hopes up too high. :p

[The Kush]

Can we just kill all the cod children

[AzK]

None, they're all equally bad and have more or less the same amount of actually decent players/outfits mixed in with the rest. Basically what Rook said.

The questions you should be asking yourself are: which empire specific equipment do you prefer, what's your playstyle and wich factions supports it best, and if you care about that sort of thing, which faction is more visually appealing to you.

[NewSith]

None, they're all equally bad and have more or less the same amount of actually decent players/outfits mixed in with the rest.

Not true, imo. Even the empire design acts as some sort of filter. Example - there're many people who don't play VS, because they sincerely consider the colors and the design - gayish. (That obviously doesn't mean that all VS players are ready to support gay parades, they are just less reluctant to the thing) That actually reflects their personality to the extent of game either, - they are more cautious than other people or maybe even agressive towards something "alien" - be it gays, or just newbies. Thus they are not really friendly to newcomers. Followed by that they are not friendly to people who they don't know. And the further logical chain says they're not very reliable when it comes to teamplaying with people they don't know.

Denying the said above doesn't really change the fact.

[MCYRook]

That actually reflects their personality to the extent of game either, - they are more cautious than other people or maybe even agressive towards something "alien" - be it gays, or just newbies. Thus they are not really friendly to newcomers.
Reading too much into it, IMO.

[NewSith]

Reading too much into it, IMO.

Well, human color choices reflecting personality is not parascientology, actually...

[Kalbuth]

Well, human color choices reflecting personality is not parascientology, actually...

no, it's "reading too much into it" ;)

[NewSith]

no, it's "reading too much into it" ;)

Well, to each his own, as they say, right?

[AzK]

The best players and outfits VS has to offer are ANYTHING but friendly to outsiders and new players.

Shit, even I am more friendly and reasonable than most of them.

[Kalbuth]

The best players and outfits VS has to offer are ANYTHING but friendly to outsiders and new players.

Shit, even I am more friendly and reasonable than most of them.

OK, this did hurt me a lot. :mad:

[NewSith]

The best players and outfits VS has to offer are ANYTHING but friendly to outsiders and new players.

Shit, even I am more friendly and reasonable than most of them.

From my experience well-known VS outfits like ISK, DoW, LFS, Druckwelle were always friendly and helpful. FANG may have been rather isolated, but than again, I don't argue for the fact that exceptions are a myth.

As I said, to each his own, let's agree to differ...

[Kalbuth]

From my experience well-known VS outfits like ISK, DoW, LFS, Druckwelle were always friendly and helpful. FANG may have been rather isolated, but than again, I don't argue for the fact that exceptions are a myth.

As I said, to each his own, let's agree to differ...

I can only agree on the fact ISK have been super friendly to me. I miss Nemesis growling bear voice on TS :(

[Mohawk]

From my experience well-known VS outfits like ISK, DoW, LFS, Druckwelle were always friendly and helpful. FANG may have been rather isolated, but than again, I don't argue for the fact that exceptions are a myth.

As I said, to each his own, let's agree to differ...

Well known doesn't mean best.

[Kalbuth]

?? and? AzK never talked about the best players, but the best VS had to offer .....

[Wings]

I would say VS because we was the first to get world domination on werner, one long night followed by the mass of OS's to celebrate. I still have the clip

Also ISK will be back in PS2,

[Mohawk]

?? and? AzK never talked about the best players, but the best VS had to offer .....

The best players and outfits VS has to offer are ANYTHING but friendly to outsiders and new players.
From my experience well-known VS outfits like ISK, DoW, LFS, Druckwelle were always friendly and helpful.

????

Also as for the thread title, all 3 empires have their good players and their pants-on-head retarded players. What attracts people to the empires are pretty colours and coolness factor which is different for everybody, no single empire attracts more tactically minded players than any other. Although VS have a larger than average share of homosexuals, in DT its a near 50/50 ratio.

[NewSith]

????

That's very close to trolling.

[lolroflroflcake]

Worst possible question to ask, and I will tell you why. There is no answer, each factions have guns and tanks and planes and they all shoot and make people die.

You are doing yourself a dis-service if you don't pick a faction based off of what you like because each faction can be as zerg-minded or tactical as the next. Do not listen to anyone that says otherwise, they are full of it. It is entirely up to you and the group of people you chose to play with, and I'm talking your outfit here not the empire at large.

[archaonn]

If you wanna choose a more tactically oriented team, you should pick the faction you like the most, and search for an outfit that fits your gameplay, in this case a team that use tactics over "SHOOT THAT MOTHA FUCKA!!!YEAYEAYEYAYEAYEA".

[Mohawk]

That's very close to trolling.

Pointing out the obvious is not trolling, I just wasn't allowed to post without writing something. So I wrote a little extra, just for you!

[NewSith]

Worst possible question to ask, and I will tell you why. There is no answer, each factions have guns and tanks and planes and they all shoot and make people die.

You are doing yourself a dis-service if you don't pick a faction based off of what you like because each faction can be as zerg-minded or tactical as the next. Do not listen to anyone that says otherwise, they are full of it. It is entirely up to you and the group of people you chose to play with, and I'm talking your outfit here not the empire at large.

In fact that's the punchline.

[AzK]

I would say VS because we was the first to get world domination on werner, one long night followed by the mass of OS's to celebrate. I still have the clip

Ghost hacking was werner's vs main activity, it's no secret, that day they ghosted every single cont except the one were nc tr were having INSANE farms, by that time it was late night/early morning, and they finished the job with the largest pop once nc and tr quit, i know, i was there. I wouldn't exactly be proud of that crap, nor would i enjoy playing that way.

[AzK]

Although VS have a larger than average share of homosexuals, in DT its a near 50/50 ratio.

That's true, I watched the last stream and not only there was plenty of penis talk and nercophilia involved, but someone also thought the object of his desires was a muscle.

Yes, it was a 1+ hours long stream. And yes, that's all i can remember.

:cry::cry::cry:

[AvacadoEight]

I hope the NC have some smart-minded players, because thats where I'm going.

I've thought about the TR and VS, and the TR was my first pick when I had initially saw this game, but now it's NC.

But I think that, each side will have their mix, one maybe more than the other in certain aspects.

But now I hear that the NC are for the Cod-Kiddies? ( Or are just the ones for the most obnoxious. )

Someone tell me this isn't true. Because I refuse to play with Cod-Kiddies. No way in my right mind would I play with a Cod-Kiddie. Maybe if I'm drugged, but otherwise? Nuh-uh.

[Kalbuth]

????

Also as for the thread title, all 3 empires have their good players and their pants-on-head retarded players. What attracts people to the empires are pretty colours and coolness factor which is different for everybody, no single empire attracts more tactically minded players than any other. Although VS have a larger than average share of homosexuals, in DT its a near 50/50 ratio.

nitpicking <3 ! :
"the best VS players and outfits has to offer..." : "has" => "the best they have to offer is anything blahblahblah...", not "the best outfits has to offer are blahblah" which doesn't make much sense.

[AzK]

it's not true, they're everywhere

[MrKWalmsley]

Not true, imo. Even the empire design acts as some sort of filter. Example - there're many people who don't play VS, because they sincerely consider the colors and the design - gayish. (That obviously doesn't mean that all VS players are ready to support gay parades, they are just less reluctant to the thing) That actually reflects their personality to the extent of game either, - they are more cautious than other people or maybe even agressive towards something "alien" - be it gays, or just newbies. Thus they are not really friendly to newcomers. Followed by that they are not friendly to people who they don't know. And the further logical chain says they're not very reliable when it comes to teamplaying with people they don't know.

Denying the said above doesn't really change the fact.
Well I prefer purple and teal to blue, yellow, red and black. If you think that most peoples unwillingness to join VS is down to their colour and not the fact that a lot of people generally prefer the descriptions of "we have the most powerful weapons" or "we have the fastest vehicles" to "we have the best tech" then I think you are looking into this particular aspect too much.

If you look at the comments regarding why people choose to join factions they are usually based on a pre-existing desire for either the faction play-styles, or based on the ideologies of the factions themselves.

Now if you think the colour of the faction suddenly overrules the players pre-existing gameplay preferences and gaming ideologies, with enough consistency to make it discernible what faction will have more of what type of person based on the colour of that faction, then I think you may be looking into this even more than any of us expected.

[AvacadoEight]

That's true, I watched the last stream and not only there was plenty of penis talk and nercophilia involved, but someone also thought the object of his desires was a muscle.

Yes, it was a 1+ hours long stream. And yes, that's all i can remember.

:cry::cry::cry:

Well, I know where I'm NOT going.

[AzK]

nitpicking <3 ! :
"the best VS players and outfits has to offer..." : "has" => "the best they have to offer is anything blahblahblah...", not "the best outfits has to offer are blahblah" which doesn't make much sense.

"The best players and outfits VS has to offer are ANYTHING but friendly to outsiders and new players."

Ok, i'm not english and all.. but, doesn't that exactly mean that, well, "the best players and the best outfits that play vs aren't friendly to outsiders and new players?

Because that's what i meant. 10+ years writing and speaking english, still learning :confused:

[NewSith]

Someone tell me this isn't true. Because I refuse to play with Cod-Kiddies. No way in my right mind would I play with a Cod-Kiddie. Maybe if I'm drugged, but otherwise? Nuh-uh.

The answer is /wfb (wait for beta)

[Russ]

Outfits work tactically. Factions are just zergs.

[Kalbuth]

"The best players and outfits VS has to offer are ANYTHING but friendly to outsiders and new players."

Ok, i'm not english and all.. but, doesn't that exactly mean that, well, "the best players and the best outfits that play vs aren't friendly to outsiders and new players?

Because that's what i meant. 10+ years writing and speaking english, still learning :confused:
Well, I read it as "VS players and outfits, the best they have to offer is ...", but like you, not native, etc...
My bad, then

[NewSith]

Okay, time for some e-drama.

Okay, the best VS players, that are friendly? Me - the best boldriver duelist after Tomack12 (NC). Never heard of us? Ok, obviously you were never dueling me 'till death, running away after you got hit. Makes you a good survivalist, doesn't tell anything about your level of skill with boltdriver. BobbyShaftoe - the best VS fighter pilot? You never heard of him either I guess, or "he's a cowardy noob" for you, obviously. Tank drivers, do you know ANY tank drivers? The VS side was full of those, and not just because VS tank hovers. My best examples are ILJA and domovoj from DoW, and many druckwelle tank riders, I can't refer to sadly.

If you define "the best" as in "the best in your field of expertise" - it was only RAS, who might not have been the best example, yes.


Finally,

That's true, I watched the last stream and not only there was plenty of penis talk and nercophilia involved, but someone also thought the object of his desires was a muscle.

Yes, it was a 1+ hours long stream. And yes, that's all i can remember.

:cry::cry::cry:

Well, I know where I'm NOT going.
Now tell me that I'm reading too much into it.

[Sephirex]

Oh look. Another "which faction is best" thread, just worded a little differently.

[NewSith]

Oh look. Another "which faction is best" thread, just worded a little differently.

Tactics is not a universal thing, unlike strategy, that's exactly what I'm trying to tell in the post above yours.

[Sephirex]

Tactics is not a universal thing, unlike strategy, that's exactly what I'm trying to tell in the post above yours.

I tried to read your post but I found it fairly incoherent.

[NewSith]

I tried to read your post.

You didn't.

[Sephirex]

You didn't.

You're right. I gave up halfway through the first time. I just gave it another shot and it's still incoherent.

[NewSith]

You're right. I gave up halfway through the first time. I just gave it another shot and it's still incoherent.

Screw you, it's gonna get locked if I keep responding. Another victory for the internet.

[Sephirex]

*Shrug* Wasn't trying to start anything. I really just couldn't understand what you were trying to say in reference to the topic.



Anyways, the faction themes are Military/Government, Industry/Commerce, and Science/Religion.

None of these by themselves will attract more intelligent players than others.

The best players will be attracted to the losing sides in the end. They always go where the challenge is.

[typhaon]

Not the other two.

[berzerkerking]

Never trust a pony :)

Join TR, the master race that doesn't wear gaysuits :)

Join VS 100% less homophobia

[MCYRook]

Outfits work tactically. Factions are just zergs.
/thread

[Exmortius]

personally back in the day i would say the most organized was the TR. we might not have always had solid numbers especially at launch but we held our own very well and had some pretty good commanders in command chat. granted command chat was always filled with drama and screaming at the next best strategic move for the most part i think the masses did fall in line more on the TR side of things. NC pretty much had the higher pops through most of johari and markovs history. they pretty much ruled for a long time early on due to the 4 shot jackhammer glitch and high pop. once that was fixed TR was dominant for a while. The VS generally just liked to interrupt the TR and NC at big base fights. for the most part they got rolled on johari and markov most of the time. at least in the early years. this is not to say that VS did not take huge chunks at times but generally they were during non primetime fighting time at least when i played regularly the first few years. there also was a time the VS heavy assault weapon got overpowered and they also did a bit better through that stretch of a few months. overall though the balance of power did shift due to weapon over and underbalancing. i think that will play less of a part due to the fact that there seems to be many more weapons for each faction in ps2. it will definitely be interesting to see how the balance of power swings early on. there is so much loyalty from vets and even newer players it seems that the first few weeks are just going to be off the charts awesome. i seriously can't wait.

[MrKWalmsley]

Join VS 100% less homophobia
On that basis join either TR or NC, 100% less bullshit.

[Baneblade]

In my experience it is entirely the consequence of who is leading more than an empire trend you can predicate.

I'm NC for life, but the Smurf Zerglings can be some hard headed sons of bitches.

[Exmortius]

i should also note as well that it really does come down in the end to which army has the best commanders at the time alongside those willing to follow him. generally whichever side has that usually does dominant on any given day. it's all about teamwork on pretty much a global scale which makes this game so much more than cod or bf3 could ever hope to achieve. it's also why victory is so much sweeter on a winning day. you might get squashed several days in a row as a faction and then you totally rule on that day. it definitely feels awesome on those days of domination.

[aceshigh]

Whichever two sides Bamelin is not on...

[Troscus]

The three designs aren't appealing to inteligence, it's appealing to personality. Sit Einstein, Steven Hawking, and Galileo in front of a PS2 video, and they, more than likely, will all go for different factions (my guess being Hawking, TR, Galileo, VS, and Einstein, NC).

[BigBossMonkey]

In my experience it is entirely the consequence of who is leading more than an empire trend you can predicate.

I'm NC for life, but the Smurf Zerglings can be some hard headed sons of bitches.

Doesn't hold a candle to that TR Footzerg.

[Sephirex]

The three designs aren't appealing to inteligence, it's appealing to personality. Sit Einstein, Steven Hawking, and Galileo in front of a PS2 video, and they, more than likely, will all go for different factions (my guess being Hawking, TR, Galileo, VS, and Einstein, NC).

Ooh good point.
Glad you're on my team. :D

[Geist]

If the Mission system works like it's supposed to, the real determining factor for who's faction is the most tactically oriented is whoever's making the missions.

But to be honest, if your sole reason for joining a faction is which faction actually uses tactics, stop looking at factions and start looking at Outfits. Check out all the Outfit recruitment threads from all factions and let the Outfit you choose decide what faction to join. One of the things all the factions have in common is how mindless their Zerg is and the only thing that changes that are outfits.

[Baneblade]

Doesn't hold a candle to that TR Footzerg.

DAT STRIKER

[feuerdog]

Tactics are derived from applying your available tools to the task,....faction differences have minimal to no tactical influence in the big picture.

The biggest factor I would consider from the PS2 vids i've seen is color.
At night it seems like almost everyone is packed some kind of luminescent feature, and during the day there will be an even wider variety of colors, patterns, shapes, and customizations.

Tactical colors? Each faction sucks in it's own right.
All I know is I don't want to be VS.

[Arovien]

TR obviously.

/thread

[Cufox]

Thank you all for your input. Even if you haven't stayed on topic, you have all given an opinion and a small glimpse into your personalities. Yes, this thread is purely quizzical speculation. I, like all of you, cannot wait to suit up in game, and it is a true testament to the health of this community.

I have not over looked my own play style. I plan on joining an outfit that fits me and I can contribute to. I have played planetside and remember the release. My question came as I was pouring over maps and theoretical crunching. It is not a simple "what faction is best?" thread. It is speculating on the personality draws of each faction, be it weapons, flavor/lore, or even color. I understand the vet loyalty.

Beta will be a good test bed. Which factions' player base is more inclined to form outfits and follow a command structure? Can be tested by seeing population ratios of outfit membership versus lone wolves. Speculating on possible correlations to choice preference is masturbation, but anyone who has played launches knows that every little edge in the first months means higher scores/ higher exp. After the first months things settle down as outfits, tactics and strategy solidify. Those first days and weeks though set the pace.

I agree that the missions system will be an interesting variable. Elite outfits are game changing, but I see that as equal among the factions. I know this is all for fun, I am just trying to maximize mine by minimizing frustration. Thanks for the input, and we will all find out more when beta hits.

[Mezorin]

We should also look at servers when it comes to who things more organized. I won't lie, while Markov was a blast to play on with a lot of "wet and wild" front line battles going on between NC and TR, Emerald outfits and empires as a whole had their shit together strategically much better. Not that crazy chaos fights are a bad thing per say, but it sucks being the only outfit to respond when the VS ghost hack teams are in your home continents *again* because nobody wants to be pulled from the fun part of the game.

[FPClark]

The three designs aren't appealing to inteligence, it's appealing to personality. Sit Einstein, Steven Hawking, and Galileo in front of a PS2 video, and they, more than likely, will all go for different factions (my guess being Hawking, TR, Galileo, VS, and Einstein, NC).

"I...would...so...join...VS...you....noob" - Hawking


(dont get mad at me Im just quoting the man):groovy:

[MrMorton]

Nc will certainly have the most Efficient but also the most team work focus empire !

And all this Cod crap is getting lame Stop to think everything is COD related and also their is some COD kids who can kick your ass and are great team players Personally i dont like cod franchise but i have few friends who played it and they are really good team workers and also really good FPS players

mY MOST RECENT EXPERIENCE In large sclae combats was MAg on ps3 and MAg is all about team work team coordination comunication and of course FPS skills !

So Nc will atact some good some bad players but i Think out of the 3 Vs will atrack the most idiotic people and lone wolfers due to the (( cool )) and vanity aspect of it

also i think TR will have some others bad players who want to spray and prey and also have a serious look with red and black color !

So yeah Nc will atract serious gamers who want to work as a unit

This trailers show the Nc spirit ! We figth for freedom for honnor we figth as many but we win as one !

MAG - Trailer - Team - PS3 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5rhJGaFfW5c)

ahh, i missed you stew

[Brusi]

Every faction has a mix of Zerg, Tactical(military), and Skilled gamer outfits. The funny thing is, they are all usually successful in what they set out to achieve. Be it blocking out the sun with reavers or denying an enemy Tech through a well placed op behind enemy lines.

You will most likely be able to find an outfit that adheres to the type of play that you desire within each of the Empires.

[Ratstomper]

Asking this question is like asking a hockey fan, a basketball fan and a football fan what the best sport is.

ahh, i missed you stew

I always get this deep, instinctual feeling that stew isn't just a poorly-articulated chap, but the most successful troll of all time. I can't explain it.

[Troscus]

"I...would...so...join...VS...you....noob" - Hawking


(dont get mad at me Im just quoting the man):groovy:

Well, that's just going off faction equality. Wouldn't want the TR to feel left out. And Galileo was Italian, and we all know how much Italians love art, so no cardboard or "ze goggles" for Mr. Galilei.

[Ratstomper]

"I...would...so...join...VS...you....noob" - Hawking


(dont get mad at me Im just quoting the man):groovy:

We all know how Hawking feels about aliens. He would never go for Vanu...

[Karmic Revenge]

In PS1 from my experience you had good, tactical players on all three sides.

They were often outnumbered by people who were not thinking all that tactically. ;)

I expect PS2 to be the same. A mix of types of players on each side. The way the factions tend to work it is really more playstyle on a micro scale than a macro one that is supported by mechanics.

You can be just as tactical while preferring TR's spray-n-pray as you can with the VS' high mobility or NC's hit-em-hard bent.

[Ertwin]

We all know how Hawking feels about aliens. He would never go for Vanu...

We'd still get Neil DeGrasse Tyson.:)

[Vetto]

Going to toss my 2 cent out there.

Anyone who thinks one Faction is more Tactical minded then the other is a fool. Most the time this boils down to a question of which Outfit Tactical minded as well as what is there tactical mind frame.

[Malachi]

Didn't read the whole thread. Thinking the only real tactical thinker here is the OP, the rest just got sucked in by a clever troll.

[FPClark]

We all know how Hawking feels about aliens. He would never go for Vanu...

He never said he disliked them. Just that they would most likely be hostile. Im sure if he saw the way of Vanu he would be more than happy to sit down and expand his knowledge of the universe.

[Kalbuth]

he would be more than happy to sit down
Like he has a choice...

[ODonnell]

That boy is R E tarded!

[GuyFawkes]

I would say VS because we was the first to get world domination on werner, one long night followed by the mass of OS's to celebrate. I still have the clip

Also ISK will be back in PS2,

sry but needed to correct this , the NC on werner achieved this long before the vs , before the lattice system was incorporated so technically was a much greater feat.
The same night that vs achieved world domination around 2am , by 9am the same day the TR had claimed the same , easy when theres no one to fight and the victory is achieved way beyond normal peak times.

Back on topic , ps2 is going to have a whole new generation of players. Basing assumptions upon ps1 is mute. There were tactical outfits in ps1 for all factions , there will be reincarnations of old as well as new ps2 ones. There will be ps1 super zerg outfits like AT , maybe new ones.

If you read AzK's initial post in this topic, he is stating the real reasons you should be selecting your chosen faction. Or you have long history with a ps1 outfit and go with the leaders' choice.

Anyone selecting a faction based upon 'freedom' or 'loyalty' or whatever you can stick in the less tactically minded camp. The lore can be summed up in 3 words : ME (NC) : US (TR) : THEM (VS) : its utter bollocks ,basically :eek:

If you were to choose simply from aesthetics alone , the vs might be the obvious choice , the NC the least . We only have a straw poll here in psu , when game goes live vs may be the more obvious choice for younger players wanting the cooler looking stuff. We could see the reverse of ps1, and find vs being the new nc.

You see, by theory of lowest common denominator, there will always be a very small % of tactically minded , skilled players and outfits (10% or less ), a few decent players and outfits (20%) and the rest (70%) which make up the bulk . Its how that ratio is spread over the 3 camps that is the fulcrum .

[Bamelin]

Whichever two sides Bamelin is not on...

:(

.

[Rivenshield]

I dunno if the TR get *better* tacticians.... but the authoritarian lore and Commie-Nazi color scheme has always attracted a critical mass of more *serious* people. And in the early days, a large number of them were stone-cold vets of other first-person shooters. They taught the rest of us.

We are instinctive team players. We heal each other, fix each other, and will risk suicidal charges in front of tanks to plant just one more mine. We will sit patiently with our glue guns next to a turret or vehicle that is under fire, seeing the health bar decline, understanding that we're prolly doomed... and not run. We will go up with the target, and then respawn and do it again. TOGETHER. It's a peer pressure thing. Follow the zerg and help the people around you. All else is trifles.

Ability I can't really talk about; it really is a mixed bag. But personality types? and the effect that has on the corporate culture of each empire? Absolutely. And that's one big reason I'm proud to wear the red and black.

[Phantomdestiny]

i am completely perplexed by why this thread even exists? it is such a call to split the community of the game .

if you want to fight do so on the battlefield not inside the forum ; at least there you would be able to truly show who is the best tactician

[Rivenshield]

i am completely perplexed by why this thread even exists? it is such a call to split the community of the game .

if you want to fight do so on the battlefield not inside the forum ; at least there you would be able to truly show who is the best tactician

You're just mad because you can never get anybody to heal/rez/fix you, Mister 'Angels of Death.'

Neener.

[Phantomdestiny]

You're just mad because you can never get anybody to heal/rez/fix you, Mister 'Angels of Death.'

Neener.

why would i be mad? i'm just stating that this is a troll tread and you are proving my point btw

[Bamelin]

I dunno if the TR get *better* tacticians.... but the authoritarian lore and Commie-Nazi color scheme has always attracted a critical mass of more *serious* people. And in the early days, a large number of them were stone-cold vets of other first-person shooters. They taught the rest of us.

We are instinctive team players. We heal each other, fix each other, and will risk suicidal charges in front of tanks to plant just one more mine. We will sit patiently with our glue guns next to a turret or vehicle that is under fire, seeing the health bar decline, understanding that we're prolly doomed... and not run. We will go up with the target, and then respawn and do it again. TOGETHER. It's a peer pressure thing. Follow the zerg and help the people around you. All else is trifles.

Ability I can't really talk about; it really is a mixed bag. But personality types? and the effect that has on the corporate culture of each empire? Absolutely. And that's one big reason I'm proud to wear the red and black.

The Vanu will consign the TR to the dustbin of history. We are the future of humanity, and will lead this world to a glorious evolution. ;)

Bamelin

[AzureWatcher]

why would i be mad? i'm just stating that this is a troll tread and you are proving my point btw

Silly person, calling this thread a split in the community.

It's healthy competition and it's healthy trash talk. What's so wrong with that?

Oh, right. You're an NC kiddie. Now go over to the other threads to where you won't get your feelings hurt. ;)

The Vanu are obviously the most fashionable and most able tacticians on Auraxis. Good luck launching an amphibious assault with your vanguard tanks.

[Phantomdestiny]

Silly person, calling this thread a split in the community.

It's healthy competition and it's healthy trash talk. What's so wrong with that?

Oh, right. You're an NC kiddie. Now go over to the other threads to where you won't get your feelings hurt. ;)

The Vanu are obviously the most fashionable and most able tacticians on Auraxis. Good luck launching an amphibious assault with your vanguard tanks.

of course i understand , you prefer a thread which talks about how people are completely bias towards their faction right? for some reason i feel like it not necessary . i'm fine with some faction loyalty but trying to make that decision solely based on personal beliefs is preposterous

[Exmortius]

a beatdown is going to be delivered by the republic day 1 of beta count on it ;)

[AzureWatcher]

of course i understand , you prefer a thread which talks about how people are completely bias towards their faction right? for some reason i feel like it not necessary . i'm fine with some faction loyalty but trying to make that decision solely based on personal beliefs is preposterous

/shrug

It's just for fun. Not everything has to be srs bsns all the time.

[vVRedOctoberVv]

In the olden days the setup was simple:

TR - foot zerg empire
VS - "lasher über alles" empire
NC - "we got them' big tanks" empire

In the long run it changed though;

I saw the NC as being the most organised in the long run. When ever you pulled a tank there, you could be sure a lodestar wasn't far away. They put great emphasis on vehicle support. The story was less glorious onces inside bases. I don't remember being resurrected once.

The TR hardly ever used vehicles, they much preferred their minigun/rocket launcher combo. This is not to say it didn't work. It worked too damn well. In close combat fights they were the best and had the best support aswell. I remember locking down in my AI max at the end of the backdoor, having 2-3 engineers constantly repairing me and my fellow maxes beside me. Good times.

The VS on the other hand... well... They like to use their tanks, for good reason too. Getting support out for them is a different topic though, it was a common scene to see 6+ tanks rolling back to base to rearm, because nobody bothered to bring a loady. In base fights they rated between the other two empire in regards to support.


This has been my experience so far, too. It's probably a good representation of the community as it stands at present.

TR have a major tendency to foot zerg... even when they shouldn't. Yet are somehow still pretty effective when they're doing. I've also never had an issue with getting support of any kind. As a MAX, I get reps, as a foot soldier, I get rezed and healed. They're very infantry and support oriented, it seems. AMS are usually not far away. Or several of them.

NC use lots of Vanguards and almost always have a Lodestar or three nearby, it seems. I agree with him that once you get to close quarters, some of their co-ordination seems to drop off.

VS have tons of MagRiders and rush back and forth furiously, but don't always have a lot of support for them. I've noticed their snipers tend to be very effective. In close quarters, they tend to be a little helter skelter, like the NC.

All in all, I'd say they are none of them any "better" or "more organised" than the others. They just lean toward their strengths. And, of course, you may see a zerg cluster fuck one day, and then the next day everybody works like a finely oiled machine. You know how it is.

I picked TR because they're considered "the military" and use very conventional weapons. I lean away from "sci-fi" stuff when I can. Ultimately, I would recommend choosing on the same criteria (whatever gets your fancy) because the actual gameplay is going to be similar no matter who you choose.

of course i understand , you prefer a thread which talks about how people are completely bias towards their faction right? for some reason i feel like it not necessary . i'm fine with some faction loyalty but trying to make that decision solely based on personal beliefs is preposterous

So, so fussy... I'm glad you're one of "them" :)

[Goldeh]

Can we just kill all the cod children

Who will think of the children.

[Dubious]

Looks > Everything

Red and black is just awesome

Blue is my fav color, but yellow is my most hated

Purple is so Bieber...

[Pella]

Would like to add that the Majority of Planetside players are of a Mature age. I hope this rolls over to PS2.

You only have to sit on Xbox live for 5Mins to see a massive difference.

[MCYRook]

Would like to add that the Majority of Planetside players are of a Mature age. I hope this rolls over to PS2.
Don't think it will. Yes the majority of PS1 players today have become more mature (or have at least grown older :p ) with the years, and since "fresh blood" is pretty rare in PS1...

But the age of the average FPS crowd is a lot younger, and if PS2 is only half as successful as we all hope, PS1 vets will be a very small minority.

I'm not too pessimistic about that, tho. I don't have to take the kids in my squad after all, and outside of my squad, I'm already used to seeing idiots. ^^

[Mr DeCastellac]

I'm too tired to read through pages of people likely just saying "Durr [Their Faction] is teh m0st struturgic."

In PS1, VS were easily the most coordinated and strategic.

BE AWARE:
I'm not saying VS are the most coordinated because I'm VS.
I'm VS because they're the most coordinated.

I tried out all 3 factions over the span of a year or so, and that's the reason I picked Vanu Sovereignty. They seemed to be the most tactical and strategic.
TR were always just focused on killing the most people, and NC were just... dumb.
They would murder each other for spite or other stupid reasons, rather than focusing on winning. Very few of the players were helpful or kind, which is one of the few bonuses the TR can rightfully boast. ;)
Still, the VS seemed nicer and more tactical, so in the end, they were my choice. Also, the lasers, hovertanks, and sweet armor helped. :D

[Night]

NC - They are not aesthetically pleaseing. They are liberals and liberals IRL dont like war hence was not in the military. NC get the educated peace crowd. :love:

VS - Lasers! Kids love lasers. The elitist alien intelligence vibe the VS has going is like cake to kids. VS get the kids. :huh:

TR - If you have been in the military you will love the TR. Hierarchy and well oiled war machine. This is where the people with expirience will join. :evil:

Im NC myselves but I have to say TR.

[Boomhowser]

But now I hear that the NC are for the Cod-Kiddies? ( Or are just the ones for the most obnoxious. )

Someone tell me this isn't true. Because I refuse to play with Cod-Kiddies. No way in my right mind would I play with a Cod-Kiddie. Maybe if I'm drugged, but otherwise? Nuh-uh.

my only advice is: dont believe everything you hear/read :rolleyes:

[Pella]

I have to say what a ridiculous thread.

TR won planetside 1 with Old Oshur event. Thus proving that TR are the most Tactically gifted Empire.

[infected]

NC - They are not aesthetically pleaseing. They are liberals and liberals IRL dont like war hence was not in the military. NC get the educated peace crowd. :love:

VS - Lasers! Kids love lasers. The elitist alien intelligence vibe the VS has going is like cake to kids. VS get the kids. :huh:

TR - If you have been in the military you will love the TR. Hierarchy and well oiled war machine. This is where the people with expirience will join. :evil:

Im NC myselves but I have to say TR.

disagree about the TR. real soldiers would not waste ammo like that, and would not take part in oppression. real soldiers would immediately recognize the vanguard and the fight for freedom as the home of the brave and land of the free.. i fought for my country irl, and i fight for the NC.

TR attracts the people who liked playing with army men when they were kids, and like watching army man movies, and like playing army man on the internet. but they never served a day in their life.

and the few TR who do have military experience... shame on them for their war crimes against humanity. :p

[Phantomdestiny]

disagree about the TR. real soldiers would not waste ammo like that, and would not take part in oppression. real soldiers would immediately recognize the vanguard and the fight for freedom as the home of the brave and land of the free.. i fought for my country irl, and i fight for the NC.

TR attracts the people who liked playing with army men when they were kids, and like watching army man movies, and like playing army man on the internet. but they never served a day in their life.

and the few TR who do have military experience... shame on them for their war crimes against humanity. :p

finally some one that understands the real NC ideals

[Kriegson]

disagree about the TR. real soldiers would not waste ammo like that, and would not take part in oppression. real soldiers would immediately recognize the vanguard and the fight for freedom as the home of the brave and land of the free.. i fought for my country irl, and i fight for the NC.

TR attracts the people who liked playing with army men when they were kids, and like watching army man movies, and like playing army man on the internet. but they never served a day in their life.

and the few TR who do have military experience... shame on them for their war crimes against humanity. :p
Heck yes. USAF vet myself and I agree with this entirely.

TR is designed around; "Red and black bad guys, I'm so cool!" and the "Spray and pray, all the way!" which generally caters to the lowest common denominator.
Looking on the forum, it often seems most TR supporters (not all) will spout single sentences of hyperbole regarding to the factions, while a good few of the NC supporters are more thoughtful in their posts.

VS posts are almost invariably ragging on visual aesthetics XD

As for the OP: Don't look for a faction. Look for an outfit (our version of a guild) regardless of the faction, you will likely be more satisfied in an outfit in regards to the strategies employed than running about completing whatever missions people put up without explanation as to why.

[sumo]

vanu obviously. only rednecks and lazy bums would be anything but vanu.

[Pepsi]

TR is designed around; "Red and black bad guys, I'm so cool!" and the "Spray and pray, all the way!" which generally caters to the lowest common denominator.Well, there is something to be said about having the fastest vehicles. I can imagine some awesome flanks given a decent outfit. I do agree with the choose the outfit thing.

But as for the overall question, neither having the fastest (TR), most powerful (NC), or most versatile (VS) playstyle is going to make you win. You just have to hope that you have a good outfit on your side that knows how to use your faction's strength and exploit the enemies' weaknesses.

[Madlaps]

Heck yes. USAF vet myself and I agree with this entirely.

TR is designed around; "Red and black bad guys, I'm so cool!" and the "Spray and pray, all the way!" which generally caters to the lowest common denominator.
Looking on the forum, it often seems most TR supporters (not all) will spout single sentences of hyperbole regarding to the factions, while a good few of the NC supporters are more thoughtful in their posts.

VS posts are almost invariably ragging on visual aesthetics XD

As for the OP: Don't look for a faction. Look for an outfit (our version of a guild) regardless of the faction, you will likely be more satisfied in an outfit in regards to the strategies employed than running about completing whatever missions people put up without explanation as to why.

Who gives a shit if you served? I swear to god it's like you think your shit smells like roses if you joined the defense force - which was most likely for your own selfish reason rather than for "your country". Yes, I did.

Controversial enough?

[Kriegson]

Who gives a shit if you served? I swear to god it's like you think your shit smells like roses if you joined the defense force - which was most likely for your own selfish reason rather than for "your country". Yes, I did.

Controversial enough?
Wow, prejudice much?

You suddenly know me from a single sentence in which I say "I served, and I also agree with this point of view!". You sir are clearly an excellent judge of character being able to divine someone's personality and reasoning from a single line of text on the internet.
I joined at 17 under some naive pretexts but I wouldn't trade those years for anything.

Just because you or the people you know are selfish, arrogant and condescending doesn't mean everyone else is.

[infected]

Who gives a shit if you served? I swear to god it's like you think your shit smells like roses if you joined the defense force - which was most likely for your own selfish reason rather than for "your country". Yes, I did.

Controversial enough?

oh look... we're on that part of the internet today. you know, where people say things with such flat disrespect that otherwise wouldn't be said to the face of a person without learning a life lesson...

nice outfit name. describes you well. u mad?

[Ratstomper]

Who gives a shit if you served? I swear to god it's like you think your shit smells like roses if you joined the defense force - which was most likely for your own selfish reason rather than for "your country". Yes, I did.


Just because you or the people you know are selfish, arrogant and condescending doesn't mean everyone else is.

oh look... we're on that part of the internet today. you know, where people say things with such flat disrespect that otherwise wouldn't be said to the face of a person without learning a life lesson...



Easy, Gentlemen. Let's not turn this into a giant flamewar.

[Kriegson]

Easy, Gentlemen. Let's not turn this into a giant flamewar.

The best way to avoid that would be to get back on topic...not to quote the most inflammatory sentence you can find from each person XD

But I feel that the answers are already pretty well placed in the topic. Ranging from the various strengths of each faction to other various useful bits of advice.

[Karrade]

OP - In relation to tactics/strategy, outfits will dictate how organised people are, and which players go where long term. Best off finding one you like, some can be more social, some hard core, many different types.

As to the rage about nothing, it comes across like this:
Nero Wolfe gets very angry - YouTube

[typhaon]

VS - anime-loving emo types.

TR - serial killers and basement dwellers.

NC - the cool kids.

[Ratstomper]

The best way to avoid that would be to get back on topic...not to quote the most inflammatory sentence you can find from each person XD

But I feel that the answers are already pretty well placed in the topic. Ranging from the various strengths of each faction to other various useful bits of advice.

I trust these guys have the self-control to not derail the topic. :D

I agree. I'm not sure what else can be said about it. The fact that so much tactics goes into the game anyway (regardless of playstyle) makes me think the question itself is a little moot. Any discrepancies in tactics are going to be pretty slim.

[infected]

which faction is going to get the world first boss kill?

please fraps it and put it on youtube so the rest of us can figure out how you managed to avoid standing in the fire.

[Mcwiggles]

Oppressed by the "Man" for their curious drive, beyond their time and yet undermined by their "superiors". The movers and shakers, their finds caused an unease with those who could not fathom. Those out of the box thinkers that needed to separate themselves from the intellectually unequal bunch. It takes a certain mind to be tactical and an unquenchable mind frame to be a great thinker. Numbers win battles but technology wins wars. Frankly, my answer would be the Vanu.

[BlakKy]

Hey everyone, first post here.

Just wanted to stick up for the PC CoD community a little. I know shooters like CoD and CS get a bad rap around here but I just wanted to say that I am a veteran PS player playing since release day after playing on my friend's beta account intermittently.

I played PS for about a year and juggled BF 1942 and PS in that time frame. When CoD was released late 2003 I was immediately attracted to the visceral feel of the first game. One shot kills, ADS and fast paced game play were what I loved. I quickly became 'pr0' and '1337' as you guys would say and joined sponsored teams where traveling and getting sponsor gear was the norm.

At this very high level of play, team play was the only way to win. On LAN at CPL everyone is watching over your shoulder and the only thing that keeps you cool is your teammates. A few all-star teams were put together at different times and these teams typically didn't fair well. Guys running 3.5:1 KDRs in high level SD play over a CAL season playing with other guys with these numbers just didn't seem to work as like any team a mixture of personalities and positions is needed to succeed. Successful teams like 3D, coL, verb etc. were teams that played together for years and became real friends, not just twitch shooting BAWLS junkies.

This all being said I always held a special place in my heart for PS, the scale more so than anything. The situations you found yourself in during intense ANT runs to the feeling of afterburning a mosquito through the desolate wastes on Esamir were very unique to PS.

I am very excited to see low TTK and truly deadly gun play in PS2, because lets make no mistake... gun play in PS was bad. 'ADADAD' was not skillful play. Netcode was our god in PS1, not strategy and hand-eye coordination as it should be.

Sorry for ranting but:
TL;DR

CoD has great teamplay at high levels.
CoD has better gun play than PS1.
PS2 is looking like the best of both worlds.

TR4ever

[infected]

Oppressed by the "Man" for their curious drive, beyond their time and yet undermined by their "superiors". The movers and shakers, their finds caused an unease with those who could not fathom. Those out of the box thinkers that needed to separate themselves from the intellectually unequal bunch. It takes a certain mind to be tactical and an unquenchable mind frame to be a great thinker. Numbers win battles but technology wins wars. Frankly, my answer would be the Vanu.

a great mind would notice that this tech still can't manage to pierce the thick armor of the vanguard.

modern tech > futuristic loltech

[Ratstomper]

Sorry for ranting but:
TL;DR

CoD has great teamplay at high levels.
CoD has better gun play than PS1.
PS2 is looking like the best of both worlds.

I agree. I hope not everyone thinks all PS1 vets are totally against CoD style shooting. I like the lower TTKs (bit longer than CoD, which I like) and gunplay I've seen.

The issue I have with CoD is the reputation for bad attitudes, sore winners and disrespectful people. We've all seen the "omg360noscopeimso1337x420xsmokeweedxerryxday" type people and none of us are impressed. Not saying that's everyone that plays (I played MW2), but that's the stereotype.

[fvdham]

VS = tatctics
TR = strategy
NC = the entire empire inside one odd tower somewhere between a VS and TR fight

[Sardus]

Each empire attracts players of DIFFERENT TACTICS. And the tactics tend to reflect the color, make, and model of the empire's game design. In a way, all empires are the tactical empire.

In general and this is pretty broad and tell me if im wrong:

1) TR have a lot of people who like to listen to orders - they attract a lot of the military/loyal/war romantic types. They run a really tight ship. That's where the TR zerg mentally comes from. We're unified, but stupid without leadership. We all follow each other like lemmings. Not very cunning, but we have a giant fist of brute force that's available when you need it.

2) NC have some really great commanders too. But they are way more segmented and not as zergy as the TR. There are somewhere in between the two empires. They also have some of the largest outfits.

3) The VS are the complete opposite of the spectrum. They are extremely independent, self sufficient, more segmented, and love the hit and run thing. They are a pain in the ass because they like to take advantage of the two other empire and work them over. Very cunning.

[Nemeses]

Well we know its cant be the TR as they not allowed to think.(Oppression to the end, Think and Die TR motto) we also know its cant be the VS as they also not allowed to think, dodgy alien masters and all :p.
So that leaves the free thinking NC as the only faction to attract the more tactically thinking player.

[Rivenshield]

1) TR have a lot of people who like to listen to orders - they attract a lot of the military/loyal/war romantic types. They run a really tight ship. That's where the TR zerg mentally comes from. We're unified, but stupid without leadership. We all follow each other like lemmings. Not very cunning, but we have a giant fist of brute force that's available when you need it.

Quoted for truth.

I'd add -- once again -- that we have a heavy emphasis on combat engineering and medical support. The zerg is self-regenerating. :)

I'd also add that just because we kind of enjoy the semi-military role-playing thing -- following orders, being part of the big onrushing horde, etc. -- that doesn't necessarily translate into a lot of patience. We're not any more willing to sit on our butts and guard things or wait for rides for more than a couple minutes. Fail to give us something to kill, and people will start running like maniacs towards the nearest hotspot, and wheee! pretty soon everybody is following them. The zerg can be impatient, too.

For all that, I love the corporate culture of my faction. It inspires actual loyalty; and I know I'm not alone. How many other games, of any style or genre, make you say the same?

[Cutter]

TR is where the smart grown-ups play.

[Doxy]

Imho VS has more mature players, thus more experienced.
So VS is the most tactical side.

[Nemeses]

Imho VS has more mature players, thus more experienced.
So VS is the most tactical side.

:rofl: the VS with all the flash gear is the kiddies paradise all the under 13 will be flocking to them :rofl:

[codylee]

as an Avid arma 2 player and realism addict of a Realism unit i can safely say the TR is the least attractive that respect and in a few other ways which i don't need to list

-and before anyone starts insulting me the reason i love planetside is because it's a Fun game not a realistic one :D-
i was just making a point

NC4LIFE