Left Handed Soldiers?

[Toppopia]

I havn't seen anything about this, but can we change what hand our weapons are in? Not only to fight around corners more effectively, but we can choose to be left handed like we are in real life. But i would mostly use it when i was using cover, allows me to only expose tiny amount of body when looking around corners.

[AThreatToYou]

I don't think this is a good idea for that exact reason. People would just macro hotswap the hand their weapon is in so they could peak around whatever corner angle they happen to be on more effectively. If it is an option, they should just flat-out give us a hotkey for it so we aren't stuck with a macro.

And, I haven't seen that answered anywhere.

[Zekeen]

Doubt it, that'd be a ton of work. They'd have to have mirrored animationed for that, and that could get very messy. And if that doesn't sound tough enough, they would have trouble in the graphical sense, such as the guns firing the empty bullet casings to the RIGHT. You could say things such as "There is no such thing as a left handed soldier", because most guns are made for right handed people. Left handed guns are generally custom made and expensive.

But yeah, would take a TON of work to make it all left handed, or else it would look VERY wonky.

[Toppopia]

I don't think this is a good idea for that exact reason. People would just macro hotswap the hand their weapon is in so they could peak around whatever corner angle they happen to be on more effectively. If it is an option, they should just flat-out give us a hotkey for it so we aren't stuck with a macro.

And, I haven't seen that answered anywhere.

I think that is the reason i want it. so i can look round different corners effectively, or else make it an option for in the options that only change of death, so you can not be stuck as either hand, but can't just change whenever.

[Toppopia]

Doubt it, that'd be a ton of work. They'd have to have mirrored animationed for that, and that could get very messy. And if that doesn't sound tough enough, they would have trouble in the graphical sense, such as the guns firing the empty bullet casings to the RIGHT. You could say things such as "There is no such thing as a left handed soldier", because most guns are made for right handed people. Left handed guns are generally custom made and expensive.

But yeah, would take a TON of work to make it all left handed, or else it would look VERY wonky.

All you do is flip the animation, and these guns are made from nanites, so they repurpose themselves to be left handed, and wouldn't all it take is just the current animations but flipped? Doesn't sound too hard.

Edit: So if i join the army, i get forced to be right handed?

[Sabot]

Doubt it, that'd be a ton of work. They'd have to have mirrored animationed for that, and that could get very messy. And if that doesn't sound tough enough, they would have trouble in the graphical sense, such as the guns firing the empty bullet casings to the RIGHT. You could say things such as "There is no such thing as a left handed soldier", because most guns are made for right handed people. Left handed guns are generally custom made and expensive.

But yeah, would take a TON of work to make it all left handed, or else it would look VERY wonky.

Most guns and carbines are actually made for both left and right handed people, with mag release button located infront of the trigger or behind the body, and a quick dismantling allows you to place the saftey and the bolt on the other side of the weapon. But that's a none issue in a game... The other reasons you mentioned are probably correct though.

[Notser]

All you do is flip the animation, and these guns are made from nanites, so they repurpose themselves to be left handed, and wouldn't all it take is just the current animations but flipped? Doesn't sound too hard.

Edit: So if i join the army, i get forced to be right handed?

Yes, if you join the US army you will be taught to shoot right handed. They tried to with the pc for business purposes. It is just easier and left/right handed is really just experience.

[Zekeen]

Most guns and carbines are actually made for both left and right handed people, with mag release button located infront of the trigger or behind the body, and a quick dismantling allows you to place the saftey and the bolt on the other side of the weapon. But that's a none issue in a game... The other reasons you mentioned are probably correct though.

Good too know! I must be a bit old fashioned in my thinking. I figured the army would have fixed it...but the army hates fixing things... unless it's fixed by shooting it... then they love to fix it.

But yeah, animation mirroring is much harder than it seems and causes all sorts of issues. For once, they actually program in where the bullet comes from and all this. Now, think on that as a single entity, double it, and now it has to keep track of that. Now, add in 1000 people, see how odd it sounds? It's a lot more complex than that, but code loves to get tied into knots and it takes a LOT of work to keep it from doing so.

[Coreldan]

Probably one of the best features in APB :D

[Canaris]

even Counterstrike VANILLA had it

[Ruffdog]

Yes, if you join the US army you will be taught to shoot right handed.

That's strange. In certain circumstances a righty would be a weakness and a lefty would be a strength. See pic below:

http://www.tacticalcops.com/images/boston-police/boston-swat-stack-3.jpg

[Toppopia]

That's strange. In certain circumstances a righty would be a weakness and a lefty would be a strength. See pic below:

http://www.tacticalcops.com/images/boston-police/boston-swat-stack-3.jpg

That is actually why i want left handedness, so in some situations i am good. And plus i am left handed in real life, and i don't feel like killing myself because i am using a right handed tool. Its true, we die more often with right handed stuff than right handers do. Its a dangerous world for us lefties.

[Sabot]

Good too know! I must be a bit old fashioned in my thinking. I figured the army would have fixed it...but the army hates fixing things... unless it's fixed by shooting it... then they love to fix it.

But yeah, animation mirroring is much harder than it seems and causes all sorts of issues. For once, they actually program in where the bullet comes from and all this. Now, think on that as a single entity, double it, and now it has to keep track of that. Now, add in 1000 people, see how odd it sounds? It's a lot more complex than that, but code loves to get tied into knots and it takes a LOT of work to keep it from doing so.

Hehe it's not the army that fixes those kind of things... it's the companies that develop the guns. Making them useable to both left and right handed people just makes sense, as they will more likely sell the weapons then :) But in the end, you will be taught to more or less effectively shoot with both left and right hands.

Yeah, I don't really have much of a clue when it comes to these things... but I can imagine it's more of a hassle than one would think it is. So much more going on under the hood than what we see on screen.

That is actually why i want left handedness, so in some situations i am good. And plus i am left handed in real life, and i don't feel like killing myself because i am using a right handed tool. Its true, we die more often with right handed stuff than right handers do. Its a dangerous world for us lefties.

I'm right handed and I actually switched to left hand in CS way back... just 'cause, you know. At first was freaky and I suddenly couldn't hit anything, even though no other setting had changed. But after a while I got used to it, and it felt like I was doing better than when I used right hand setting... I probably wasn't, but it feelt like it. ^^
Anyway, I suppose it's kind of the same for you though, isn't it? I mean you sohuld get used to the right hand after awhile, no?

[Toppopia]

Hehe it's not the army that fixes those kind of things... it's the companies that develop the guns. Making them useable to both left and right handed people just makes sense, as they will more likely sell the weapons then :) But in the end, you will be taught to more or less effectively shoot with both left and right hands.

Yeah, I don't really have much of a clue when it comes to these things... but I can imagine it's more of a hassle than one would think it is. So much more going on under the hood than what we see on screen.



I'm right handed and I actually switched to left hand in CS way back... just 'cause, you know. At first was freaky and I suddenly couldn't hit anything, even though no other setting had changed. But after a while I got used to it, and it felt like I was doing better than when I used right hand setting... I probably wasn't, but it feelt like it. ^^
Anyway, I suppose it's kind of the same for you though, isn't it? I mean you sohuld get used to the right hand after awhile, no?

Wait.. you were making a good argument about shy left handed is cool and such, then right at the end, you then say i should get over it and adapt. (I assume you didn't mean it like that, but it sounds like it.)

[Fek]

I'm pretty sure in nearly all games the bullets come out a point in the centre of the body (e.g. the tip of the head) rather than where the gun is, and that hitboxes are symmetrical.

[TeaLeaf]

I'm pretty sure in nearly all games the bullets come out a point in the centre of the body (e.g. the tip of the head) rather than where the gun is, and that hitboxes are symmetrical.

This.

Also mirroring an animation shouldn't be too hard as long as the engine hasn't been designed in a weird way. If it is an issue, they could always just mirror the first person view and leave the third person right handed only.

[Immigrant]

They should make this possible in character maker screen (not something that you can switch mid-game) imo... I am right handed but I have some left handed friend and they would all prefer if they could play left handed characters.

[Sabot]

Wait.. you were making a good argument about shy left handed is cool and such, then right at the end, you then say i should get over it and adapt. (I assume you didn't mean it like that, but it sounds like it.)

Oh no... I just meant that, I know I eventually adapted. Shouldn't you also be able to, just incase they don't allow you to change to left hand? I don't know how hard it is to make it possible, but if it isn't something that requires a lot of work, I so no reason why they shouldn't allow it. I mean in CS it was just a simple console command to switch...

[Knotz]

this far in the future we have outbred this particular human defect

[Deadeye]

I'm left handed and left eye dominant but I could never get used to firing a gun left-handed, it just seems uncomfortable to me. I remember at scout camp when I was a kid it confused my shooting instructor because I could hit the targets left or right handed but prefered to use my non-dominant right side.

As far as games go, the only ones where I really had a problem with the left-handed vs right-handed argument were fantasy games. I am left handed with swords so it always felt weird playing a right handed sword wielder; maybe that's why I prefer ranged classes in fantasy games.

[Khrakhan]

Yeah I'm left handed as well. However, when it comes to swinging a baseball bat, hockey stick, throwing, or shooting a gun I am right-handed.

And honestly I dont see the issue with being able to change hands in a game. If they do add it, fine, but I would really rather them not waste any time on it.

[kaffis]

Make it an option at character creation. Done.

[Mango]

I was trained in the Air Force to fire with either hand and to quickly swap in CQC situations depending on where I was relative to my point of entry.

[Cufox]

As has been stated, most weapons are designed with the ejection port on the right side of the weapon. Anyone that has fired a weapon and taken hot brass to the face knows that firing left handed can be a pain in the ass. Hot brass stuck between the collar and neck is a distraction. Granted, lefties are preferable in breach situations for covering left, and some manufacturers do produce ventral and left ejecting weapons.

[Mango]

Well with the M4 your check was supposed to be welded right behind the charging handle, far enough back that your brass would really only hit your arm most of the time. What was far more annoying for me was getting hit with my buddies brass.

[Cufox]

Well with the M4 your check was supposed to be welded right behind the charging handle, far enough back that your brass would really only hit your arm most of the time. What was far more annoying for me was getting hit with my buddies brass.

Buddy brass is the truth.

[KrackerJacked]

GRAW did this very efficiently and that game is like 10 yrs old. If they could do it on a shitty console then they could do it here. Will they? probably not.

and to who ever said that you can easily switch carbines and rifles to adjust to left/right is full of shit. 10 yr army vet here and that never happened. Lefties always had trouble, cause the ejection port and gas exhaust port came out the right side into the lefty shooters face.

[willaguy]

lol, I'm ambidextrous bitches!

Seriously though I dont think it will matter unless your talking about preference. The crosshairs will always be in the same direction no matter what hand you're holding your gun in.

[Nemeses]

I havn't seen anything about this, but can we change what hand our weapons are in? Not only to fight around corners more effectively, but we can choose to be left handed like we are in real life. But i would mostly use it when i was using cover, allows me to only expose tiny amount of body when looking around corners.

All kak handers should be instantly shot, therefore ending and closing this issue :D

[Knotz]

All kak handers should be instantly shot, therefore ending and closing this issue :D

haha truth!

[Noivad]

That's strange. In certain circumstances a righty would be a weakness and a lefty would be a strength. See pic below:

http://www.tacticalcops.com/images/boston-police/boston-swat-stack-3.jpg

Sorry to go off topic.

Actually the picture shows all right handed people. Note left hand is on shoulder of guy in front of him. Thats because right hand is holding the weapon. Also note the right foot is behind each person. The position of strength stance of a right handed person. If they were left handed the left foot would be towards the back.

The Army teaches left handed people how to shoot lefthanded. There is a brass deflector that can be attached on the weapon that deflects spent brass to the left instead of to the right to keep the brass out of a left hand persons face.

The left eye of the left hand shooter is usually stronger, and the the right eye of the right hand person is usually stronger. As well as Arm Strength.

BTW the arms are on the shoulders so the group can all move as one.

In PS2 as in real life, a shooter would not change the position of his weapon to look around a corner. You do that with your head. Especially since there will be no 3rd person view for you to look around in.

Oh NO - You will have to expose yourself to fire. No more looking around corners lol. :evil:

[Pyreal]

Not necessary.

In the future the genetic mutation that is southpaw has been eradicated.

Nothing further.

[texico]

It might be a cool feature to allow you to choose your handedness when creating your character, and although you can switch which hand you're firing with in-game, your aim is reduced a bit with your weaker hand as it would be.


That's pretty much a gimmick though, might not be worth it if it's a lot of work.

[YaJackWagon]

Can we get the option for a right handed Prowler while we're at it?

[Conq]

Swapping hands on hotkey is a feature I greatly enjoyed in APB and Brink. It's kind of a common sense thing to put into games these days and should definitely be included in PS2.

Along with prone :)

[Toppopia]

It would be cool to beable to switch hands during a fight, but some people might thinks thats over powered or 'odd'. Maybe it can be changed whenever you want in the options menu, but it only takes effect after death? Like in COD if you choose a new class, it only takes effect till after you die.

[Coreldan]

It would be cool to beable to switch hands during a fight, but some people might thinks thats over powered or 'odd'. Maybe it can be changed whenever you want in the options menu, but it only takes effect after death? Like in COD if you choose a new class, it only takes effect till after you die.

How exactly will it be OP/odd if/when everyone can do it? Implementing it in an easy way such as APB does it.. you switch shoulders by pressing "V" by default. If you start to try making it "harder" to weed out it's use in combat, THEN its gonna be overpowered for those who will macro it and whatnot.

If you include it, just make it a very baseline feature such as in APB. Given, APB is a third person game, but I don't see why that even matters much in this discussion.

Just to show a bit how APB did it.. it's so baseline feature that it totally comes out of the "spine" by now..

Like watch some 20s onwards from this video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=rwNe9L6GyW8#t=380s

I switch shoulders something like 20 times during that time :D It's just so natural that you always switch to the "appropriate" shoulder for the direction you are going to/facing, cos in APB the third person camera does so much. In PS2 it wouldn't be as useful cos you cant use it to look around corners, but it would still at least allow you to expose a little less of yourself when shooting around left hand corners.

[Pozidriv]

I guess i am the odd man out here :P. I am right-handed, but due to certain invasive damage to my right eye i had to complete my military service left-handed.

Didn't stop me from getting top marks for marksmanship.

http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/1028/184ro.jpg

Also we used this thing with 0% hot brass in face, perhaps once to my hand in some god awful twister cluster fudge situation.

http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/1720/rk95aimpoint.jpg

It's not a do or die thing for me, but it would be a nice feature to switch sides.

[Heaven]

In planetside 1 the NC max felt pretty awkward to me as that was left handed, but after using it after a long period of time it started to feel natural.

I doubt planetside 2 is going to have the option to change over but it would be nice for the lefties if they did. I am left handed but play games right handed lol so I do feel for the lefties :P if they dont change it over maybe its something that you will get used to and will probs feel natural after time :)

[AThreatToYou]

I am rooting for the ability to switch weapon hands so I can fire around corners better.

[Jinxsey]

I fired left handed too for a while, but picking brass out of your webbing gets old fast and the L85A2 is not ambidextrous friendly.

I would like to see a "left handed soldier" option though, just for us sinister folks ;)

[Coreldan]

I guess i am the odd man out here :P. I am right-handed, but due to certain invasive damage to my right eye i had to complete my military service left-handed.

Didn't stop me from getting top marks for marksmanship.

http://img191.imageshack.us/img191/1028/184ro.jpg

Also we used this thing with 0% hot brass in face, perhaps once to my hand in some god awful twister cluster fudge situation.

http://img29.imageshack.us/img29/1720/rk95aimpoint.jpg

It's not a do or die thing for me, but it would be a nice feature to switch sides.

Go go Finland! :D

My dad is also very much right handed, but his left eye is dominant, so he actually shoots from the left. He also usually wins all the local shooting competitions that he participates in around here :D

His bolt lock rifles are funny cos he has pretty much modified them himself. He has simply just bent the handle-thingie on the other side of the rifle lol.

[megamold]

as a lefty i support this 100%

lefty's unite !

[Nemises]

its just a cosmetic adjustment for the first person or 3rd person view right?
I doubt the point of origin for the firing vector is offset...I mean, if you are using scope view, its dead center right?..I would suppose hip firing is as well (irrespective of the left / right hand offset)..

If that's the case, I doubt it'd be a big deal technically ... as others have stated, the model and animation just get (*-1)'d in the X axis

[Nemises]

All kak handers should be instantly shot, therefore ending and closing this issue :D

Also this, from my correctly spelt brother!..

...take them out the back with the fiery folk

[Ratstomper]

When you make your soldier, pick a favored side along with your empire. Problem solved.

I know when I play games and the character is left handed it bugs the ever loving @$#! out of me.

How exactly will it be OP/odd if/when everyone can do it? Implementing it in an easy way such as APB does it.. you switch shoulders by pressing "V" by default. If you start to try making it "harder" to weed out it's use in combat, THEN its gonna be overpowered for those who will macro it and whatnot.

I can't speak for everyone, but just moving around and shooting will be enough. I don't want to have to worry about switching hands in the middle of fighting to keep on par with everyone else. That's just extraneous and annoying.

[Synapse]

I'm pretty sure in nearly all games the bullets come out a point in the centre of the body (e.g. the tip of the head) rather than where the gun is, and that hitboxes are symmetrical.

Not sure if anyone later in the thread has said this but an earlier video of PS2 mentioned the bullets actually do come from the tip of the barrel in ps2.

[Slepnair]

Yes, if you join the US army you will be taught to shoot right handed.

my buddy was made to shoot left handed in the army due to the fact that he can actually hit a target when shooting that way.


I would like to see a switchable style or even a select during character creation primarily because it always feels off to me as a left handed shooter to always have a weapon in the right hand.

[Canaris]

ya'all left hand haters are just scared that the Southpaw stylers will whip ya in a gun fight :p

[TeaLeaf]

Not sure if anyone later in the thread has said this but an earlier video of PS2 mentioned the bullets actually do come from the tip of the barrel in ps2.

Hope not, they'd have to use psuedophysics to get the bullets to hit on the crosshair in that case.

[TheBladeRoden]

If they can't even animate vehicle entries I doubt they're going to take the time to animate left-handed gunnery

[RandomNPC]

this far in the future we have outbred this particular human defect

If by "outbred" you mean "the TR had a holocaust for lefties prior to the discovery of Auraxis", then yes.

[Toppopia]

If they can't even animate vehicle entries I doubt they're going to take the time to animate left-handed gunnery

But they are animating vehicle entry/exiting, it is in their 5 year plan, but i bet it will be done in 6 months to a year.

[Bravix]

I say yes. Let them left-handed people use their gun backwards...

and just like in real life, limit the types of weapons they can use :D

NO SOUP FOR YOU!

[Brusi]

Probably one of the best features in APB :D

If only for the funny dance you do, crouching, walking, weapon switching, leaning from left-to-right and throwing your guns between your left and right hand... all at the same time!

ahahah

[Canaris]

If by "outbred" you mean "the TR had a holocaust for lefties prior to the discovery of Auraxis", then yes.

and that's just what we wanted you to think mwahahahahhaahhaahahahhaah!.... of excuse me um nevermind carry on oops: