How it should be to not ruins the Ps spirit Esports in Ps2 (video link) some exemple

[Stew]

Also to try to be clear Esports = Electronic Sports
And Pro esports players = Proffessional Electronic sports players ( earn money and live for this sports ))

So esports dont necessarily Mean PRO PLAYERS it just Mean competitive sports like matches !

Since ive seen some pro some cons i want to explain more deeply whith a video serving as a exemple on How the esports should be cover in planetside and how it must work to stay true to planetside ! I dont want to see the game dumb down for a particular crew od stagnan esports stars they must adapt and over come and stop been adverse to learn and master new games mechanics and strategies !


Explanation »»»»»»»»http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAwHY36jY9U&feature=youtu.be««««««Explanation

[Akadios]

I wish I could understand what you said but 7 minutes into your 17 minute video I stopped :| Are you worried that they are going to make arenas in PS2 and that those arenas will take over?

[Timey]

for the love of god do you just write stuff in your native language and use google translator?

edit: Actually google translated text would probably make more sense heh

[Electrofreak]

for the love of god do you just write stuff in your native language and use google translator?

Google Translator spells things correctly, at least.

Stew, honestly man, half the time I can't understand what it is you're trying to say, the other half I do understand and it still makes no sense.

[NCLynx]

I freakin love stew threads. Watching video now.

[epicx]

Ya... I agree with him. I'm lost.
I was lost after 2min, i watched 7min as well..

My opinion get into your PJs and get in the Gal...

[Stew]

I wish I could understand what you said but 7 minutes into your 17 minute video I stopped :| Are you worried that they are going to make arenas in PS2 and that those arenas will take over?

yes iam worried about thats because If the competitive Esports Scene show off a PLANETCONTER OF DUTY arena modes this will simply ruins the planetside 2 spirits and planetside spirits

planetside is all about infantry but also vehicules air and ground combat

if those esports crew PROMOTE a ps2 arena modes people will want to copy those guys and also play on this smalls scale level and planetside will become on of many millions of others smalls scales level on the wold wide scene

So i want planetside competition to stay true to planetside to stay true to its roots

And anyway esports as it is was fun back in the day It was new and great Now its just boring ive seen all the cs1.6 match nothing new come out

in planetside 2 it will be a blast if their is a true competitive large scales

[Destroyeron]

I listened to the video in the background while browsing other threads. If I'm correct, this about sums up the OPs thoughts:

Doesn't want shitty esports, meaning small groups of people vs small groups of people. He wants to see giant PS scale battles and strategy in the games (someone commanding).

IMO, it's gonna be real hard for me to care about PS esports. Unless there are teams of like 25 vs 25 or larger and they don't just turn it into a TDM. Then I might watch, but honestly, wouldn't you rather be playing?

[Stew]

Ya... I agree with him. I'm lost.
I was lost after 2min, i watched 7min as well..

My opinion get into your PJs and get in the Gal...

its simple ive use an RTS to show up How the planetside 2 scene must be cover almost at it is a rts If people can watch star craft and get whats going on it will be the same for planetside if they cover it whith a bigger picter MACRO and also micro seen whats squad are doing specifically etc..

thing will be interesting and very fun to watch seen all the deployment strategies etc...

this video just show off In GOD view whats planetside 2 is all about

[Destroyeron]

yes iam worried about thats because If the competitive Esports Scene show off a PLANETCONTER OF DUTY arena modes this will simply ruins the planetside 2 spirits and planetside spirits

planetside is all about infantry but also vehicules air and ground combat

if those esports crew PROMOTE a ps2 arena modes people will want to copy those guys and also play on this smalls scale level and planetside will become on of many millions of others smalls scales level on the wold wide scene

So i want planetside competition to stay true to planetside to stay true to its roots

And anyway esports as it is was fun back in the day It was new and great Now its just boring ive seen all the cs1.6 match nothing new come out

in planetside 2 it will be a blast if their is a true competitive large scales

On a side note, this key "." is your friend.

[Electrofreak]

Also a word of note, there's already a thread about the concerns of PS2 involving eSports on the first page of this forum.

[Anderz]

When the title barely makes sense, you know it's a Stew topic! ;)

[Stew]

Also a word of note, there's already a thread about the concerns of PS2 involving eSports on the first page of this forum.

nah this others tread turn into a circle i want to show up whats i expect about this and ive made this video all about it dont want to loose my time turning in circle in this other tread

[ThermalReaper]

AW COME ON?! Another Esports thread? Seriously can we focus on being able to play the beta and then see if there's a possibility of esports?

[Deezy]

Pray tell, where are you from, Stew? I've seen you on other forums as well (usually, those communities are raging on you, though).

[Stew]

Pray tell, where are you from, Stew? I've seen you on other forums as well (usually, those communities are raging on you, though).

Yeah it seams iam the ennemy number one even if i dont insult people even if iam just trying to make a game better trying to be fair etc.. anyway life is life seams to

Iam from canada montreal 10 minute from ubisoft montreal this is where i live anyway

[ThermalReaper]

Stew, I can get your point, but having upwards of 3 posts on that other Esports thread and then making another one isn't helping the game.

[Stew]

Stew, I can get your point, but having upwards of 3 posts on that other Esports thread and then making another one isn't helping the game.

I just want to be clear as possible and ive use the video to help to understand the picture the other tread was a circle of doom i want people to get the picture of whats it should be to stay true to planetside

[ThermalReaper]

I just want to be clear as possible and ive use the video to help to understand the picture the other tread was a circle of doom i want people to get the picture of whats it should be to stay true to planetside

...I'm sorry what? I didn't play the original but I doubt it was remotely related to esports.

[Stew]

...I'm sorry what? I didn't play the original but I doubt it was remotely related to esports.

exactly but they planned to implements esports and if they do i want them to RESPECT planetside history and roots but also its anothers excuses for me to

BREAK the vicious circle of esports and the boring aspect of it many esporst guys dont want anything to change because they win big money and because they are confortable they dont have to relearn new games mechanics etc..

planetside 2 offers a great chance to renew the esports scene but also

playing with randoms is fun but playing with a 100 % full serious competitive gamers is a dream come true for me

no games as offer a space where HUge massive team can work on a all new level of strategies structure and comunication !

Having a perfect strategies and coordination could be so amasing but in the regular senarios some randoms can simply ruins everything its no big deal in regular servers

But i would like to see or play a game on thats level of competition but with planetside 2 scales and team work

[Spiritbeast]

planetside 2 = 6,003 people per server

so esport ps2 = 6,003 per server, or 2,001 if they only focus on one continent with each empire population capped at 667

that's alot of fkn people to spectate, should be fun to watch

if anyone says PS2, as an esport, would not be 2001 people, because they would need smaller teams to make it function, than i say it's not ps2, it's a spin off, remake, different game, and should be named something else like PSE.

if u want to make an esport out of ps2 go ahead...but use the current gameplay otherwise your making a PS themed competitive game...but not making PS2 an esport

[Destroyeron]

In the future, PS2 will be used to settle international disputes instead of war and espionage.

[qbert2]

Stew, you seem really passionate about PS and PS2 and it shows in your posts, however, it would go a long way towards furthering your ideas and point of view if you would just take the time to read what you wrote and correct simple spelling and grammar mistakes.

You don't need to hit the post button immediately after you're done typing.

Sincerely,
Someone who finds it really difficult to decipher what it is you're saying most of the time.

[Sifer2]

I only watched the first bit of the video. It sounds like your worried they would lower the scale to fit E-Sports? That's not going to happen its already confirmed to be 2000 players per continent is what they aim for. With lots of unique Empire specific equipment. These things are IMO already incompatible with E-Sports. Which tend to require small matches, and identical equipment available to both players to eliminate luck as a factor.

The only way PS2 might support E-Sports would be if they added small instances with set team sizes. But honestly that would be almost a complete waste of development time IMO. Since this game at its heart is looking like Battlefield 3 at the moment. And that game isn't very competitive even with small set teams. I think trying to encourage E-Sports for PS2 is just not worth doing. Their focus should be on playing catch up to Dust 514's persistent world features. That have it beaten easily in terms of scale of battles but your victories will be no where near as impactful on the world as they will be in that currently.

[Brusi]

I always throught that Stew was japanese or something...

[jepaul]

I have no idea what I just watched.

I also haven't been to school in 12 years but now feel like I need to go back for two weeks due to the 2 points or i.q. I just lost because I watched that.

FML

[Top Sgt]

When the title barely makes sense, you know it's a Stew topic! ;)

lmao so true^^^^^

[n2q0_matrix]

I think I know what he means. Kinda.

Extremely Large team combat. Warfare as an esport. Not just small maps, small teams, and a short duration.

There would be a competition server/continent. In order to join you would have to organize and field a team of say.... 200-500 players, just to signup.

3 teams go at it...the victor is the one that holds the most territory after x amount of time. Or single death no respawn...eliminate the enemy to win.

Spectators can view streams of any player and/or listen in to time delayed coms of the leaders.

It could be interesting and unlike any esport done to date.

I don't know if this is what Stew had in mind exactly...but I do get the large scale competition part.



I don't know if any of you remember the China vs America competition that was supposed to take place in Planetside 1, but ultimately fell apart. Those of us that were planning on participating were very excited and thought it was going to be a fucking fantastic competition. Bummer it didn't happen.

[super pretendo]

esports is bad
the concept of esports is diametrically opposed to the concept of planetside
that is all

[Sabot]

esports is bad
the concept of esports is diametrically opposed to the concept of planetside
that is all

QFT

And... who is going to watch the stream? If you're interested in it, you're likely playing instead of watching.... F2P and all that.

[xnorb]

There's not the least chance of eSports in PS2.

Most teams aren't even able to organize 8vs8 matches, leave alone anything
with more people.

The only chance PS2 could get an eSports focus is if SoE designes extra
environments only for eSports. For example TDM in a closed tower or something.

[deltase]

ALIENS MAN its ALIENS and.... am... FREAKIN BETAS MAN!!

Seriously i tried to read it twice, meditate on some sentences and still cant figure what the heck are you saying. But my gut feeling is telling me you want BIG B00M rather than small boom. And you want it spiced a little like putting some cheese (aka tanks and more tanks) and some pepperoni (aka air-crafts) and you want it in a big Dish.

I support you man! Free Big meals for everybody!
Say no to little sissy meals! Say yes to BIG MANLY MEALS!

[ThermalReaper]

Actually newsith had a good alternative to instanced esports.

[Stew]

I think I know what he means. Kinda.

Extremely Large team combat. Warfare as an esport. Not just small maps, small teams, and a short duration.

There would be a competition server/continent. In order to join you would have to organize and field a team of say.... 200-500 players, just to signup.

3 teams go at it...the victor is the one that holds the most territory after x amount of time. Or single death no respawn...eliminate the enemy to win.

Spectators can view streams of any player and/or listen in to time delayed coms of the leaders.

It could be interesting and unlike any esport done to date.

I don't know if this is what Stew had in mind exactly...but I do get the large scale competition part.



I don't know if any of you remember the China vs America competition that was supposed to take place in Planetside 1, but ultimately fell apart. Those of us that were planning on participating were very excited and thought it was going to be a fucking fantastic competition. Bummer it didn't happen.

You got exactly the point i want the cast be based on elader at first and some (( zoom in )) in specifics groups /squad/ squadron when they do some really important thing to coordinate and follow the (9 comanders oderders )) i want them to follow it like the follow a Esports starcraft match or any competitive RTS show the big picture the overall strategies MACRO and also show players skills squad skills and coordination MICRO

so yeah i want planetside to stay true to planetside showing MACRO and MICRO ... So the esports establish order will not be able to justified big group of people is to hard to follow for the viewer since the squad and infantry will be considers as (( RTS UNITS )) people will follow the TEAM and the leaders strategies

Easy to follow easy to understand and this have never been done ever in the competitive FPS games so yeah planetside this way will change the fps gamins but also the esports mentality forever and for the good ;)

[Stew]

Actually newsith had a good alternative to instanced esports.

Actually hes idea is having cometitive players figthing with randoms but the one with better randoms will win so the competitive aspect of it will kinda be ruins !

Ill give a exemple in planetside 1 ive seen some huge outfit figth and also even in MAG ive seen a 128 vs 128 clans matchs even if the game did not allow clan wars people having to Q SYNC but if a game like planetside 2 allow the clan wars it will be amasing and for esports it will be the same

Comanders
platoons leaders ( even if plantoon arent their yet )
Squad leaders
infantry , pilotes

so this way its easyer to follow for (( viewers )) this will be competitive as hell but also easy to follow viewer will foloow the bigest picture MAcro level and also follow squad and individual players when they get thing done Micro level !

pretty much it i think is better to compleatly stay true to planetside and avoid the smalls team esports focus

[Knotz]

Just NO! Stop with this idiotic e-sports idea...

[Stew]

Just NO! Stop with this idiotic e-sports idea...

Also to try to be clear Esports = Electronic Sports
And Pro esports players = Proffessional Electronic sports players ( earn money and live for this sports ))

So esports dont necessarily Mean PRO PLAYERS it just Mean competitive sports like matches !



esports in facts is just competitive match

««««Some say its PRO matches ( means they get money out of it and live from this (( job )) ) But this is wrong »»»

theyr is pro baseball players but their is a way more players who play on a competitive level whiout been their Jobs !

This is what i want in planetside a way to set really competitive matches with a stream audiance setting tournaments and all thats good stuff but not necessarely winning big ass $$ prize some of us just want a chalenging competition few times in a months like monthly competition


but most of the time everybody will play in the regular servers ..

[Knotz]

Also to try to be clear Esports = Electronic Sports
And Pro esports players = Proffessional Electronic sports players ( earn money and live for this sports ))

So esports dont necessarily Mean PRO PLAYERS it just Mean competitive sports like matches !



Ohhh my sincere apologies.....

Can we still stop with this idiotic E-Sports idea?

[Luieburger]

I don't think that esports in its current form will swallow planetside 2 whole and transform it into something that we don't like. More likely, esports will change to fit the Planetside 2 mold.

There's no reason why esports and planetside 2 can't fit together without changing what PS2 is all about. We already have videos and streams in PS1 from top Outfits, and they're fun to watch! I don't know why esports couldn't bend a little to fit that model. The planetside TV folks are paving the way already.

[kasiraghi]

Also to try to be clear Esports = Electronic Sports
And Pro esports players = Proffessional Electronic sports players ( earn money and live for this sports )

WTF? e-sports is prizes and competitive play...

Electronic sports is just THE GAME.

So much confusion over such a simple thing.

[Stew]

WTF? e-sports is prizes and competitive play...

Electronic sports is just THE GAME.

So much confusion over such a simple thing.

NO pro gaming thats mean proffessional gaming is prizes and $$ the are professional players

its like sports you have pro gamers leagues and also casual or semi-pro leagues !

Both remains sports it exactly the sames for esports the esports is simply competitive aspect of the gaming considered as a sports or electronic sports !

Nothing to do with prize ! or money

PRO GAMING is about prize and $$

PROGAMING ISNT ESPORTS AND ESPORTS ISNT PRO GAMING !

But pro gamers play esports

and NON pro players also can play Esports if their is competition setting and organisation comunication etc..

[Sifer2]

I don't think that esports in its current form will swallow planetside 2 whole and transform it into something that we don't like. More likely, esports will change to fit the Planetside 2 mold.

There's no reason why esports and planetside 2 can't fit together without changing what PS2 is all about. We already have videos and streams in PS1 from top Outfits, and they're fun to watch! I don't know why esports couldn't bend a little to fit that model. The planetside TV folks are paving the way already.


Well I don't think it can work for the same reason real warfare is not a sport but paintball is. Real war is too large, and chaotic to be properly scored. The only way they could do it is to make the Planetside version of paintball. To have there be little instances for small set teams with a specific goal to complete. A feature that IMO is a waste of time since there are hundreds of other shooters to play that have that.

[Stew]

Well I don't think it can work for the same reason real warfare is not a sport but paintball is. Real war is too large, and chaotic to be properly scored. The only way they could do it is to make the Planetside version of paintball. To have there be little instances for small set teams with a specific goal to complete. A feature that IMO is a waste of time since there are hundreds of other shooters to play that have that.

Its not hard to calculate who win the war ;) its a team play game

planetside can have and must have a competitive arena but with hundreads of players with comanders platoon and squad leaders

ive seen it few times in MAG and also in planetside 1 but if their is absolutly NO RANDOM players those who achive the goal are the winners simple as thats easy to calculate

Comanders = make the overall strategies , give orders and make sure everything goes as plan

platoon leaders = Help the comanders to coordinate the atacks report whats going on to help the comanders to change and adapt the strategies

Squad leaders = under the comand of the plattoon leaders he make sure to execute specifics orders , lead his squad and report to platoon leaders

infantry , pilotes , drivers etc.. = infantry and soldiers under the comand of the squad leaders , the follow orders and do whats they are best at depending on their roles they can be killing machine , drivers , reavers pilots , MAX , suports roles and So on ...


So yeah is thats to complicated ? Do we need to dumb down this to make a stupid casual esports game ?

Why not having a true organized wars on the competitive level ?

why not ?

It can work and will work if the devs suports it ;)

[jepaul]

Also to try to be clear Esports = Electronic Sports
And Pro esports players = Proffessional Electronic sports players ( earn money and live for this sports ))

So esports dont necessarily Mean PRO PLAYERS it just Mean competitive sports like matches !

Since ive seen some pro some cons i want to explain more deeply whith a video serving as a exemple on How the esports should be cover in planetside and how it must work to stay true to planetside ! I dont want to see the game dumb down for a particular crew od stagnan esports stars they must adapt and over come and stop been adverse to learn and master new games mechanics and strategies !


Explanation »»»»»»»»http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tAwHY36jY9U&feature=youtu.be««««««Explanation

Competitive play is here! Time for the old guard to find a new game I guess. Or their own servers.

Ohhh my sincere apologies.....

Can we still stop with this idiotic E-Sports idea?


It looks to be like the E-sports idea is moving forward?