Do you guys believe this moon could support life?

[EVILoHOMER]

http://www.planetside-universe.com/media/album/vmscby2n9f/20120618_4fdf47a317e44.jpg

Firstly I dunno what crazy orbit they're all following but that small moon would no way support life. It's far too small, it would have had it's atmosphere blown away by the closest star as it's core wouldn't have sustained heat for so long. Now if the moon is being pulled and stretched constantly then it would show signs of volcanic activity. The planets/Moons around it are far more likely to sustain life and yet they appear not to. They're all in same distance from the sun and would not have lost their heat to space any where near as fast as that small moon would have.

I just find the sky highly unrealistic.

[Johari]

Future wormhole space magic. I ain't gotta explain jack.

:P

[Toppopia]

The green and blue moon can support life, but it depends on what kind of life, because from my hours of reading about every planet in the Mass Effect 2 and 3, there are about 3-4 different environments that can support life that doesn't suit humans. So yeah, it can support life, the other two.. don't know, would need a closer look, the far right doesn't look like it, and the big one is too cloudy to see.

[AThreatToYou]

We don't know how big that planet is, how big that moon is, how far away it is.

[NCLynx]

That's actually their home planet, everyone is just to busy fighting to realize the wormhole didn't take them as far as they think.

[Sledgecrushr]

Ok here is my take on that picture. Auraxis is actually a moon itself and us and that other planetary looking body are all circling around a hot massive planet like jupiter. It would explain why the game world is only a hundred kilometers diameter?

[Jimmuc]

the big one has to be a gas giant and the other moon has craters so no life on either but Auraxis and the other unknown planet. from the looks of things i'd say Auraxis and the other two planets circle the gas giant. :p


sledgecrushr beat me lol

[Trafalgar]

No way to tell distances, sizes, etc, from that picture, but those two smaller bodies do look closer than our moon (but could be exaggerated), and the large blue object is massive in appearance but clearly not giving off any light, so it isn't a star. Probably an ice giant or gas giant.

Perhaps Auraxis, and the two small objects visible in the picture, are all moons orbiting the large blue object (which may be a gas/ice giant), which we can assume is Jupiter-sized or larger?

If Auraxis is smaller than Earth, perhaps Vanu's people left an operating artificial gravity generation system for some reason, or perhaps it has a denser core than Earth, making it more massive than a moon normally would be. Or perhaps they're just particularly large moons orbiting a particularly large giant, possibly orbiting a particularly large star (but larger stars burn out faster, not that the star's mass or metallicity could have much effect on the gameplay besides determining how strong potential solar flares and magnetic storms and the like might be, if they were implemented).

Edit: We are thinking the same thought. :V

[Sledgecrushr]

Whats cool about this is the possibility of hundreds of habitable moon sized bodies in the same area.

[Littleman]

Whats cool about this is the possibility of hundreds of habitable moon sized bodies in the same area.

I do believe this coincides with SOE's 5 year plans in eventually introducing multiple worlds to fight over.

The blue/green body clearly is a terran world, capable of supporting Human life. The small white body to the lower right is more akin to our moon.

And that big thing in the background is likely a gas giant. You know, PS1 has some continents/planets with a gas giant in the sky box, this is probably a throw back to that concept. And to be honest, it helps remind us we're on an alien world. I would dare say it's even artificially crafted with the sole purpose of observing us... or creating the ultimate soldiers for whatever the hell might be far more dangerous and advanced than the Vanu.

We're fighting over Auraxis, though we've probably colonized multiple bodies capable of sustaining life in the 200 some-odd years (IIRC) since Auraxis was discovered.

[Sledgecrushr]

It would be neat that if we were to visit that moon that it would be another auraxis server fighting an endless war. And that when they looked into there night sky they would see our moon traveling above.

[Jimmuc]

It would be neat that if we were to visit that moon that it would be another auraxis server fighting an endless war. And that when they looked into there night sky they would see our moon traveling above.

the other planet is the euro server! lol

[PsychoXR-20]

I just find the sky highly unrealistic.

It's nice to know I am not the only one who thinks this. Being a sci-fy buff and an astronomy buff, this is one of that areas that to me, is very important. It's all about making the atmosphere of the game believable, and the current sky is a little iffy in that regard.

In order for this sky to be even remotely believable, it means that Auraxis is a moon. The massive object that is only ever seen as a very think crescent has to be a gas giant, anything else and the entire Auraxian system would cease to exist, as that object and Auraxis would have been decimated by tidal forces. (for fun, if that object were the size of our moon it would be some 30k km away from Auraxis, 10 times closer than our moon is to Earth.

No way to tell distances, sizes, etc, from that picture, but those two smaller bodies do look closer than our moon (but could be exaggerated), and the large blue object is massive in appearance but clearly not giving off any light, so it isn't a star. Probably an ice giant or gas giant.

While sort of true, we can guesstimate using the known sizes of objects in our solar system. For example, if we take a picture of our moon, and put it in a screenshot, and scale it to a size that looks right, we know have a basis to use for every other object. When you do this you find that the rocky moon is visually about three times as big as our moon. We can hypothesize two scenarios then, if that moon is the same size as our moon than it's three times as close. If it's the same distance as our moon than it's three times as big. Both of these could be wrong, because it is impossible to know exactly without the devs telling us the size of the moon or the distance of the moon. However it is clearly large enough to have coalesced into a nice sphere, so we can assume it is of sufficient size (not a super close asteroid sized moon like Mars)

If either of the above two hypotheses are true than that's bad. If the moon is as far away as our moon, than that "moon" would be bigger than Auraxis (which I suppose isnt too bad since Auraxis itself is already a moon) and if it's the same size as our moon than it would be three times as close and the tidal forces of an object being that close would wreak havoc on Auraxis.

I don't even know where to start with the other garden world orbiting that giant object, but everything I know tells me that planet is wrong. Make it way smaller and put it behind the gas giant and you might have something that's believable.

Just throwing my own wishes and suggestions, in here, but I say get rid of the two smaller moons and put something a little more fantastical in the sky, either give Auraxis a ring system (image how cool that would be if certain continents at certain times of the day were shadowed by the rings) or give the gas giant a ring system. If you ever get to the point where you give the moons phases that could also be very cool having for a few days bright nights as the world is illuminated by this giant.

All I know for sure is that at best, the current night sky feels cluttered.

[Toppopia]

I hope we can see nebulas and other cool space objects like that, imagine the devs making a sky soo awesome, that people actually stop fighting just to look up and see how amazing it is.

[Sledgecrushr]

Ever read Philip Jose Farmer's World of Tiers? Basically the tier world was actually many worlds built literally on top of each other by near godlike super humans. Perhaps our fantastical planetary system has also been artificially created by "superbeings". What I would like this to lead to would be space wars, and interplanetary wars based off the other ps2 servers. This is what I call growing the game.

[Soothsayer]

That's no moon!

[Sledgecrushr]

That's no moon!

It kind of has to be a moon.

[Toppopia]

It kind of has to be a moon.

I think hes meaning its a Death Star, unless he isn't, then i think he may have finally gone crazy with waiting for beta.

[Trafalgar]

It's a Budong! (http://farscape.wikia.com/wiki/Budong)

But no.

[Zulthus]

See, that's the cool thing about fiction... nothing has to make sense.

[Rbstr]

I don't find it particularly unrealistic. You can't tell size or distance from the shot.

We've got up-close experience with 9 planets out of so many it's practically uncountable. We have no idea whether what we've got is average or exceptional.
It's not crazy to think a binary planet system exists or there are large gas giants with moons that are Earth sized.

[mintyc]

http://www.planetside-universe.com/media/album/vmscby2n9f/20120618_4fdf47a317e44.jpg

Firstly I dunno what crazy orbit they're all following but that small moon would no way support life. It's far too small, it would have had it's atmosphere blown away by the closest star as it's core wouldn't have sustained heat for so long. Now if the moon is being pulled and stretched constantly then it would show signs of volcanic activity. The planets/Moons around it are far more likely to sustain life and yet they appear not to. They're all in same distance from the sun and would not have lost their heat to space any where near as fast as that small moon would have.

I just find the sky highly unrealistic.

that big planet could be a super sized gas giant with earth sized moons.

also a planets ability to maintain an atmospheare is not just dependant on its size. the size and strength of its magnetic field plays a huge role as it delects radiation and the solar wind.

the composition of a planet also has another effect other than its magnetic field as the gravitational pull is dependant on mass, so the dencity of the planets composition plays a role in dictateing the planets gravitational field.

so it is not imposible to have a small planet with a high consentration of dense metalic elements that give it a more powerful megnetic field and a higher gravity than you would expect.

but the best explination for the sky box is probably, its sci-fi and it looks pritty.

[Malorn]

Nanites.

[Trafalgar]

The problem is that once that gas giant goes above a particular mass it isn't a gas giant anymore, and you can only hit 75-80 jupiter masses before it becomes a star and starts to fuse hydrogen. Anything big enough to have moons with earthlike gravity is probably going to have to be a large brown dwarf, if it's even possible for a brown dwarf to have satellites that massive and that close together (though brown dwarfs do not fuse hydrogen, or anything else after a few million years, if they ever fused anything at all, e.g. deuterium).

An alternate explanation, of course, would be that the habitable moons have artificial gravity generators either installed by Vanu's civilization or the TR (I would doubt the TR would have the tech to do that).

Wikipedia on brown dwarfs:
They occupy the mass range between that of large gas giant planets and the lowest-mass stars; this upper limit is between 75[1] and 80 Jupiter masses (Mj). Currently there is some debate concerning what criterion to use for defining the separation between a brown dwarf and a giant planet at very low brown dwarf masses (~13 Mj), and whether brown dwarfs are required to have experienced fusion at some point in their history. In any event, brown dwarfs heavier than 13 Mj do fuse deuterium and those above ~65 Mj also fuse lithium. Some planets are known to orbit brown dwarfs: 2M1207b, MOA-2007-BLG-192Lb, and 2MASS J044144‎b.

...

A remarkable property of brown dwarfs is that they are all roughly the same radius as Jupiter. At the high end of their mass range (60–90 Jupiter masses), the volume of a brown dwarf is governed primarily by electron-degeneracy pressure,[4] as it is in white dwarfs; at the low end of the range (10 Jupiter masses), their volume is governed primarily by Coulomb pressure, as it is in planets. The net result is that the radii of brown dwarfs vary by only 10–15% over the range of possible masses. This can make distinguishing them from planets difficult.
In addition, many brown dwarfs undergo no fusion; those at the low end of the mass range (under 13 Jupiter masses) are never hot enough to fuse even deuterium, and even those at the high end of the mass range (over 60 Jupiter masses) cool quickly enough that they no longer undergo fusion after a period of time on the order of 10 million years. However, there are ways to distinguish dwarfs from planets:

The entire wiki article on brown dwarfs (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Brown_dwarf).

[Meatball Mobeus]

...I have no idea if this could be right.. BUT....

Maybe that moon is a little farther away than we think it is, so perhaps its not so small after all?

[ODonnell]

I believe that moon is Vanu Sovereignty property.

It is, and it and all the Vanu will be stepped on and scraped off our boots like the ants that they are.

[capiqu]

Those two moons can stay the same size, but they can not orbit in front of the bigger moon if you want to make it realistic. Then u can say the bigger moon looks so big because its closer. The 2 other are smaller because they are farther away but they must appear to pass behind the bigger one.
If we take it that the big moon is really the planet and auraxis and the others moons, then that should affect Auraxis day night cycles.

[cBselfmonkey]

At least in the original Planetside Auraxis was found to be an artificially created world. Complete with a super computer core and contients that could 'teleport' across intergalactic distances. Therefore I'd be willing to bet that any 'weirdness' found in its star system probably just means that the entire thing was created, or at least altered, by the Vanu.

...That or SOE just doesn't care about Cosmology :P

[qbert2]

It may be possible, we don't know the focal length of the camera. :)

[Ratstomper]

At least in the original Planetside Auraxis was found to be an artificially created world. Complete with a super computer core and contients that could 'teleport' across intergalactic distances. Therefore I'd be willing to bet that any 'weirdness' found in its star system probably just means that the entire thing was created, or at least altered, by the Vanu.

...That or SOE just doesn't care about Cosmology :P

I'm actually really curious to see what they kept of the old lore. The ability to respawn was actually a side effect of using the warpgates as well, not some cloning mechanism like I had originally thought.

[Trafalgar]

I was wondering if it was still cloning on death/respawn, personally, as that would mean you were technically dead still, and a clone was living your life after you respawned.

I don't think there's been anything in the new lore about the respawn system yet, though.

[Ratstomper]

I was wondering if it was still cloning on death/respawn, personally, as that would mean you were technically dead still, and a clone was living your life after you respawned.

I don't think there's been anything in the new lore about the respawn system yet, though.

In the original lore, once troops moved through the warp gates they sort of attuned themselves to the planet itself and automatically revived upon death. That's what "reconstruction" and "deconstruction" meant; since everything, including the soldiers, was made with nanites.

At least, that's how I understood it. No cloning necessary. Just rebuilding the same body over and over.

[ODonnell]

Its a moon in a game. That means they can do what they want. Hell MiB had an entire town of little people living in a locker. In closing, if we can have warp gates with limitless energy, we can have a moon that supports life with virgins throwing pickles at everyone.

Huh?

[Ainte]

The problem is that once that gas giant goes above a particular mass it isn't a gas giant anymore, and you can only hit 75-80 jupiter masses before it becomes a star and starts to fuse hydrogen. Anything big enough to have moons with earthlike gravity is probably going to have to be a large brown dwarf, if it's even possible for a brown dwarf to have satellites that massive and that close together (though brown dwarfs do not fuse hydrogen, or anything else after a few million years, if they ever fused anything at all, e.g. deuterium).

What about titan that has got all elements needed to sustain life if only our star where brighter

[indirect]

More than likely not a moon. You're assuming that 'moon' isn't a planet, and that 'planet' isn't a 'super-planet.'

Remember, Jupiter is about 110 times the size of earth.
http://sciencenetlinks.com/interactives/messenger/psc/PlanetSize.html

[Canaris]

An alternate explanation, of course, would be that the habitable moons have artificial gravity generators either installed by Vanu's civilization or the TR (I would doubt the TR would have the tech to do that).

It's exactly the TR who terraformed them, it's already been written in the backstory that the TR is quite accomplished at terraforming planets and moons to small to sustain their own atmosphere, no alien tech nonsense just good old terran know how :p

[MrKWalmsley]

It's nice to know I am not the only one who thinks this. Being a sci-fy buff and an astronomy buff, this is one of that areas that to me, is very important. It's all about making the atmosphere of the game believable, and the current sky is a little iffy in that regard.

In order for this sky to be even remotely believable, it means that Auraxis is a moon. The massive object that is only ever seen as a very think crescent has to be a gas giant, anything else and the entire Auraxian system would cease to exist, as that object and Auraxis would have been decimated by tidal forces. (for fun, if that object were the size of our moon it would be some 30k km away from Auraxis, 10 times closer than our moon is to Earth.



While sort of true, we can guesstimate using the known sizes of objects in our solar system. For example, if we take a picture of our moon, and put it in a screenshot, and scale it to a size that looks right, we know have a basis to use for every other object. When you do this you find that the rocky moon is visually about three times as big as our moon. We can hypothesize two scenarios then, if that moon is the same size as our moon than it's three times as close. If it's the same distance as our moon than it's three times as big. Both of these could be wrong, because it is impossible to know exactly without the devs telling us the size of the moon or the distance of the moon. However it is clearly large enough to have coalesced into a nice sphere, so we can assume it is of sufficient size (not a super close asteroid sized moon like Mars)

If either of the above two hypotheses are true than that's bad. If the moon is as far away as our moon, than that "moon" would be bigger than Auraxis (which I suppose isnt too bad since Auraxis itself is already a moon) and if it's the same size as our moon than it would be three times as close and the tidal forces of an object being that close would wreak havoc on Auraxis.

I don't even know where to start with the other garden world orbiting that giant object, but everything I know tells me that planet is wrong. Make it way smaller and put it behind the gas giant and you might have something that's believable.

Just throwing my own wishes and suggestions, in here, but I say get rid of the two smaller moons and put something a little more fantastical in the sky, either give Auraxis a ring system (image how cool that would be if certain continents at certain times of the day were shadowed by the rings) or give the gas giant a ring system. If you ever get to the point where you give the moons phases that could also be very cool having for a few days bright nights as the world is illuminated by this giant.

All I know for sure is that at best, the current night sky feels cluttered.

Right on brother! Nice to see other people playing this game who are Sci-Fi nerds and not just FPS buffs! I would love to see the sky looking realistic, at the moment it just seems like something you'd see in the sky of World of Warcraft; a massive cluster of nonsensical Sci-Fi-yness!

We've got up-close experience with 9 planets out of so many it's practically uncountable.

You mean 8. I know it's hard for all of us but I think it's about time we accept the fact that Pluto is not a fully fledged planet. :(

But onto your actual point, we may not be able to have close experience with the hundreds of planets discovered by Kepler and other observations, but we have the laws of physics to judge this by. We should just all accept that the devs put absolutely no scientific thought into what the sky would look like or what kind of planetary system Auraxis would be a part of. It was just made to look spacey and pretty. Which is unfortunate to a hard-sci-fi nut like me.

[Canaris]

I like how the Auraxis sky looks at present, it has character, making it look realistic with just blue sky and a far off moon robs you of the feeling you're on an alien world.

Toto we ain't in Kansas no more

[Toppopia]

I want to see nice nebulas and stuff, and awesome weird looking sky when all the moons and gas planet line up to cause amazing patterns. Sure it doesn't look realistic but my could make it happen once every 1-2 months. Just make the sky look amazing and everyone will love it.

[MrKWalmsley]

making it look realistic with just blue sky and a far off moon robs you of the feeling you're on an alien world.

Well if the weird ass trees, crazily rapid environmental shifts over short distances, and the mass of elaborate high-tech buildings isn't enough to make you feel like your not at home, then I fear for your imagination.

Also it does not have to just have one moon to be realistic. Auraxis could be a moon, orbiting a gas giant with other moons circling it all of which are visible, but just not on such a jarringly unrealistic scale. Would you say that seeing a gas giant and a nearby moon would suddenly feel like your back on Earth if they are realistically sized (which would still be quite some size by the way), and the only way that sight can feel at all alien is if it is basically coming right at you?

[SztEltviz]

Big thing on the left is a high mass gas giant, earthlike thing is a moon of the giant, with a very dense core, Auraxis is an another moon of the giant, the thing on the right is an extremly small ice moon.

About orbits: maybe these are not stable orbits, for example: the right side moon is a deep space wanderer that just captured, soon they will crash into each other.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dwarf_planet#Size_and_mass
To be round:
For a body made of less rigid water ice, the limit should be about 320 km (diameter) and ×1019 kg.

[Sabrak]

Not exactly on topic, but I was trying to remember something.

Didn't the orginal Auraxis in PS1 have rings you could see from the ground?

If so, I hope they'll be back in PS2, that'd look pretty cool with Forgelight's magic.

[Sledgecrushr]

Auraxis is a moon circling a gaseous super giant planet. Auraxis is too small to have the mass to sustain any kind of atmosphere so I believe auraxis was terraformed and has an artificial gravity holding everyhting in. That small planet in the picture is another small terraformed moon with artificial gravity also orbiting the gas giant. This is really a pretty fantastic situation and Im loving it.

Whats cool is this gas giants could have dozens of moons in orbit around it. It means if there was to be any kind of space travel addition to the game the distances would be trivial compared to interplanatary flight=more fun because flying for hours in space is kind of dull(eve)

Also if those moons happened to be other Auraxis game servers then the potential of interplanetary wars as a future update could happen. The competition could be limitless.


http://www.planetside-universe.com/media/album/vmscby2n9f/20120618_4fdf47a317e44.jpg

[MrKWalmsley]

lol the person who wants to remove the sci-finess of the sky fears for my imagination,

Dr. Evil - Riiiight [HD] - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HQfzwFloVqA)

Well you've just proved it since you think that changing the size of objects takes away it sci-finess, and are incapable of perceiving a gas giant and a different moon in the sky and a clearly alien environment in the future as sci-fi unless the planet and moon are absolutely colossal in size. Since the only thing I am advocating is the shrinkage of the astral bodies appearances.

So no you idiot, I do not want to take the sci-fi out of this game, I want to reinforce the "sci" part of that term, while still encompassing the fictional time frame. If I was trying to take the sci-fi out of the game I would be suggesting that this game be based on Earth either in the present or the past now wouldn't I?

Tell me, what is sci-fi-less about being on a life permitting moon orbiting a gas giant with other moons orbiting it, but those happen to be realistically sized visually?

[Canaris]

So either we have stunningly beautiful
http://www.planetside-universe.com/media/album/vmscby2n9f/20120618_4fdf47a317e44.jpg

or realistic
http://starisland.co.uk/images/eclipse50a.jpg

I'll go with stunningly beautiful thanks

[Stew]

http://www.planetside-universe.com/media/album/vmscby2n9f/20120618_4fdf47a317e44.jpg

Firstly I dunno what crazy orbit they're all following but that small moon would no way support life. It's far too small, it would have had it's atmosphere blown away by the closest star as it's core wouldn't have sustained heat for so long. Now if the moon is being pulled and stretched constantly then it would show signs of volcanic activity. The planets/Moons around it are far more likely to sustain life and yet they appear not to. They're all in same distance from the sun and would not have lost their heat to space any where near as fast as that small moon would have.

I just find the sky highly unrealistic.

theyres is a big chance yeah since it have waters and green stuff :)

[GreatMazinkaise]

It's all just a brilliant plot by the ancient Vanu to troll the prisoners of Auraxis with a logic problem. That's all Planetside is... a giant lab where Blue and Orange Morality aliens experiment on undying humans.

[MrKWalmsley]

So either we have stunningly beautiful
http://www.planetside-universe.com/media/album/vmscby2n9f/20120618_4fdf47a317e44.jpg

or realistic
http://starisland.co.uk/images/eclipse50a.jpg

I'll go with stunningly beautiful thanks

So beauty to you just means size? Since you can have that exact same scene, with the same colours detail, but just have the bodies be a bit smaller. To me, the size has absolutely nothing to do with its beauty, and I think the fact that that seems to not be the case for you is a shame.

[capiqu]

Would have been nice for them to put up recognizable objects like The Big Dipper and others to give us the perception that we are near our local cluster in the universe.

[Sledgecrushr]

In order for this sky to be even remotely believable, it means that Auraxis is a moon. The massive object that is only ever seen as a very think crescent has to be a gas giant, anything else and the entire Auraxian system would cease to exist, as that object and Auraxis would have been decimated by tidal forces. (for fun, if that object were the size of our moon it would be some 30k km away from Auraxis, 10 times closer than our moon is to Earth.

With artificial gravity you would be able to overcome any tidal forces from nearby moons.

[Knotz]

http://www.planetside-universe.com/media/album/vmscby2n9f/20120618_4fdf47a317e44.jpg

Firstly I dunno what crazy orbit they're all following but that small moon would no way support life. It's far too small, it would have had it's atmosphere blown away by the closest star as it's core wouldn't have sustained heat for so long. Now if the moon is being pulled and stretched constantly then it would show signs of volcanic activity. The planets/Moons around it are far more likely to sustain life and yet they appear not to. They're all in same distance from the sun and would not have lost their heat to space any where near as fast as that small moon would have.

I just find the sky highly unrealistic.

You forget that this picture in no way shows a sense of scale... that moon might be huge, it might have a superdense core (that would increase gravity, meaning that its atmosphere wouldn't be sucked away) the big planet behind might be a gas giant with no real core, therefore might not have a huge amount of gravity.

It isn't very good to comment on the nature of the cosmos when you have very little information other than a simple picture... also you're not an astrophysicist.

[Knotz]

You know Jupiter? That absolutely fucking massive planet in the solar system... you know one of its moons has water right? and that it could possibly sustain life? yeah you have no idea about astro physics. There are some pretty unbelievable things out there in REAL LIFE... this picture is a game, and not even close to some of the things that are actually out there...

[MrKWalmsley]

With artificial gravity you would be able to overcome any tidal forces from nearby moons.

Artificial gravity on such a scale would require IMMENSE technological advancement, even centuries if not millennia after the planetside timeline (judging by current tech, even of the vanu) takes place. I mean that would require a Type 3 civilisation, which I think would be far beyond projectile weapons or even having human soldiers.

You know Jupiter? That absolutely fucking massive planet in the solar system... you know one of its moons has water right? and that it could possibly sustain life? yeah you have no idea about astro physics.

... who exactly here is claiming that it is impossible for a life sustaining moon to be able to orbit a gas giant? I'd like you to quote them saying exactly that.

And the moon you talk about is called Europa. However for your information, having water may not be enough to sustain life by itself, since it is preferable to have it in a liquid state. Although the elliptical orbit of the moon around such a large gravity well causes its core to kneed like bread, making liquid water beneath the surface highly likely, it is still not absolutely certain whether that is the case, let alone if there is life there.

I think taking a frozen wasteland with a good possibility of liquid water being under it's surface and a slight possibility of life being there, and then comparing it to a lush, multi-climate/environment, Earth-like planet which already has life growing on it to be a tad strange.

[Canaris]

So beauty to you just means size? Since you can have that exact same scene, with the same colours detail, but just have the bodies be a bit smaller. To me, the size has absolutely nothing to do with its beauty, and I think the fact that that seems to not be the case for you is a shame.

this is Planetside 2 bitch

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[jepaul]

I either missed the satire here or I stumbled into a fucking larp convention.

Instead of bitching about fucking moon environments that have nothing to do with the game go practice helicopter flying from an orginal bf2 box and then simply do the 45 minute shooting drills with an assault rifle, pistol, and shoot gun in yor current favorite fps. Those drills cover all the basics and help in any game.

Again, i hope this was all satire because if this is the kind of shit you people spend time on this game will be a joke once fps's start getting here in force.

[MrKWalmsley]

this is Planetside 2 bitch

Wow, great response. Love how you went through all of my points and countered them one by one just like I did to yours. How very mature. So I can safety assume that yes, your idea of beauty is how big something is.

[Jonny]

Well thats my desktop at the moment, and I think the gas giant and earth like moon look great. Its a sci-fi game so it doesn't need to be ultra realistic. I do however feel like the white moon on the far right looks painfully close.. I'm not sure if its necessary.

[MrKWalmsley]

I do however feel like the white moon on the far right looks painfully close.. I'm not sure if its necessary.

Its a sci-fi game! So it doesn't need to be ultra realistic!

[SztEltviz]

Artificial gravity on such a scale would require IMMENSE technological advancement, even centuries if not millennia after the planetside timeline (judging by current tech, even of the vanu) takes place. I mean that would require a Type 3 civilisation, which I think would be far beyond projectile weapons or even having human soldiers.

Because vanu had the tech that doesn't mean the expedition found it or understand it yet. Imagine a caveman as he finds a cpu chip and a fireman axe. He only could use the axe, and wouldn't recognize the cpu as useful at all.


And the moon you talk about is called Europa. However for your information, having water may not be enough to sustain life by itself, since it is preferable to have it in a liquid state. Although the elliptical orbit of the moon around such a large gravity well causes its core to kneed like bread, making liquid water beneath the surface highly likely, it is still not absolutely certain whether that is the case, let alone if there is life there.

I think taking a frozen wasteland with a good possibility of liquid water being under it's surface and a slight possibility of life being there, and then comparing it to a lush, multi-climate/environment, Earth-like planet which already has life growing on it to be a tad strange.

The new exoplanets they keep finding with Kepler are almost all gas giants ( smaller are harder to detect) and near to their stars (short years), so not all star system comparable to ours.

So i think that pic is within a reasonable scenario. Maybe the orbits are instable, but in the future we need some meteor shower anyway :D.

[Biohazard]

It is not the distance that bothers me, it is the lighting. If one could see all three of those bodies in the sky at the same time they would have very similar phases, and to me it looks like the light on the two besides the moon is coming from the wrong direction!

Look here, better pic IMO.
http://www.planetside-universe.com/media/album/mp52rz6sp6/20120601_4fc92e0993280.jpg

[Luieburger]

I just find the sky highly unrealistic.

Who cares? It's a game, and we need more planets/continents/hexes to control.

If you want the game to be realistic within it's own context, just toss out some buzzwords and it makes everything all better. This one comes to mind...

http://25.media.tumblr.com/tumblr_lz0f657gu31qhvtgno1_400.jpg

[SztEltviz]

It is not the distance that bothers me, it is the lighting. If one could see all three of those bodies in the sky at the same time they would have very similar phases, and to me it looks like the light on the two besides the moon is coming from the wrong direction!

Look here, better pic IMO.
http://www.planetside-universe.com/media/album/mp52rz6sp6/20120601_4fc92e0993280.jpg

New idea: That is an another giant and those two are a binary system .

.........................Rightbigplanet

SUN

...........Leftbigplanet
........................Earthlike
..............................Auraxis

Tadam!

[MrKWalmsley]

.........................Rightbigplanet

SUN

...........Leftbigplanet
........................Earthlike
..............................Auraxis

Tadam!
Right, big planet? You mean absolutely colossal planet larger than a sun if I understand you right!

[Sledgecrushr]

I either missed the satire here or I stumbled into a fucking larp convention.

Instead of bitching about fucking moon environments that have nothing to do with the game go practice helicopter flying from an orginal bf2 box and then simply do the 45 minute shooting drills with an assault rifle, pistol, and shoot gun in yor current favorite fps. Those drills cover all the basics and help in any game.

Again, i hope this was all satire because if this is the kind of shit you people spend time on this game will be a joke once fps's start getting here in force.

Why would you interrupt our very nice philosophical discussion with a buch of shit about gunz and pwnage. Go back to your room and let the adults talk here.

[SztEltviz]

Right, big planet? You mean absolutely colossal planet larger than a sun if I understand you right!

No, then my pic was not clear enough :(

The two giant rotates around their common center of mass, and this double system goes around the sun. Earthlike and Auraxis is moons to one of the giants.


EDIT: In the drawing the distance to sun is not to scale.

[Greeniegriz]

What you fail to realize is every one on Auraxis is "dead".

Upon entering the wormhole the entire expedition fleet was destroyed and all the people were flung into a state of limbo. Auraxis is mearly a unified projection of those peoples desire (a place to live forever). The war that ensued is just a result of their consciousness's sub-consciousness fighting against itself and wanting the peace of true death.

Everything is a projection including the moon that "can't support life".

;)

Cheers,

GG

Sent from Auraxis using Tapatalk 2

[Jonny]

Its a sci-fi game! So it doesn't need to be ultra realistic!

Thats a good argument :D

(I think it just looks very close in that shot as its sitting on the horizon.)

[TheRagingGerbil]

Nanites.

[Canaris]

What you fail to realize is every one on Auraxis is "dead".

Upon entering the wormhole the entire expedition fleet was destroyed and all the people were flung into a state of limbo. Auraxis is mearly a unified projection of those peoples desire (a place to live forever). The war that ensued is just a result of their consciousness's sub-consciousness fighting against itself and wanting the peace of true death.

Everything is a projection including the moon that "can't support life".

;)

Cheers,

GG

Sent from Auraxis using Tapatalk 2

.....cosmic O_

[Biohazard]

No, then my pic was not clear enough :(

The two giant rotates around their common center of mass, and this double system goes around the sun. Earthlike and Auraxis is moons to one of the giants.


EDIT: In the drawing the distance to sun is not to scale.

I'm fairly certain that that is the moon, not a gas giant. it moves around far too much.

http://www.planetside-universe.com/media/album/vmscby2n9f/20120618_4fdf47a317e44.jpg
http://www.planetside-universe.com/media/album/mp52rz6sp6/20120601_4fc92e0993280.jpg
http://www.planetside-universe.com/media/album/mp52rz6sp6/20120507_4fa80a167e9f0.jpg

[SztEltviz]

I either missed the satire here or I stumbled into a fucking larp convention.

Instead of bitching about fucking moon environments that have nothing to do with the game go practice helicopter flying from an orginal bf2 box and then simply do the 45 minute shooting drills with an assault rifle, pistol, and shoot gun in yor current favorite fps. Those drills cover all the basics and help in any game.

Again, i hope this was all satire because if this is the kind of shit you people spend time on this game will be a joke once fps's start getting here in force.

It's called Thought experiment (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thought_experiment). And a small mental exercise (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mental_exercise) is good for you.

You know, all that guns and helis exist only because a lot of men did practice those.

[SztEltviz]

I'm fairly certain that that is the moon, not a gas giant. it moves around far too much.

I don't see where these pictures invalidate the double planet idea.

http://www.planetside-universe.com/media/album/vmscby2n9f/20120618_4fdf47a317e44.jpg
http://www.planetside-universe.com/media/album/mp52rz6sp6/20120601_4fc92e0993280.jpg
http://www.planetside-universe.com/media/album/mp52rz6sp6/20120507_4fa80a167e9f0.jpg

[Canaris]

maybe Auraxis and those other planets are tidally locked in a similar orbit together in some beautiful yet randomly obscene planetary system ballet?

[MasterChief096]

Auraxis' core is pure Auraxium, giving it a strong magnetic field and high density which provides it with approximately .92 Earth gravity. Most of the solar wind and other cosmic radiation is deflected by the gas giant that Auraxis orbits.

The Terran planet that is visible was the first life-bearing body in the Vanu system. A cosmic collision elsewhere in the solar system flung a smaller Auraxis into the orbit of the gas giant. The gravity well of Auraxis pulled in smaller debris from the gas giant's asteroid disc, adding to the planetary mass. The life-bearing Terran planet's orbit was stressed by tidal forces from the new visitor Auraxis. Most life on the planet could not adapt to the newly found tidal forces as its orbital trajectory passed Auraxis, but collisions of debris from Auraxis' small accretion disc flung life-bearing meteorites and other organic material onto Auraxis' surfaces and oceans. The more adaptable microbes eventually diversified in their new environment and became the Vanu. The same microbes diversified on the Terran planet as well.

Every few hundred thousand years, the Terran planet and Auraxis share an orbit that offers viewers on Auraxis with the game's current view. For the rest of the time, the gas giant obscures the view of the planet. The Vanu advanced from stone-age to space-faring in less than seven thousand years. Vanu society was much like our own 21st century society, funds for space exploration were exceptionally scare, and then the Terran planet slid into view, the Vanu saw green surfaces, and space exploration flared.

Since both planetary biospheres originated from the same diversifying microbes, amino acids and genetic code was universal, much like here on earth. The key difference is the microbes on Auraxis diversified into organisms adapted for high gravity whereas the original life bearing body had organizes adapted for a low gravity environment. The Vanu quickly settled this Terran planet. Vanu "Astrogeologists" uncovered evidence that their origins in fact were tied to the Terran planet. Thus began the Vanu Golden Space Age.

Really tired, just offering an idea :D.

[Shogun]

i guess the big announcement we are waiting for this week will be the following:

We are proud to announce that the planetside 2 team will get a new member!
please welcome stephen hawking to the team, he will make sure that every aspect of our gameworld will be explainable by actual space physics!

[MasterChief096]

i guess the big announcement we are waiting for this week will be the following:

We are proud to announce that the planetside 2 team will get a new member!
please welcome stephen hawking to the team, he will make sure that every aspect of our gameworld will be explainable by actual space physics!

I, for one, would welcome this.

[Shogun]

I, for one, would welcome this.

actually this would be awesome ;)

but what i mean is, that only very few players would have noticed that this moon may be too small to support an atmosphere because of the low possibility for a working magnetic field. i wouldn´t see a problem if this moon would be part of a future expansion of some kind. i wouldn´t mind if it has an atmosphere or not. as long as the major rules are met like we have to wear closed helmets in zero-atmosphere.
you know, the kind of things everybody would take note of, who has seen a single scifi movie or wasn´t asleep at school.

[Biohazard]

I don't see where these pictures invalidate the double planet idea.



I belive that the 'Rightbigplanet' is a moon around Auraxis.

Sun
.
.
.
Gas Giant

^-planet 1

^-Auraxis
^^- Auraxis's moon

I believe this because it is moving significantly faster than the other two bodies, and appears larger than planet 1. Suggesting that it is a small body much closer to Auraxis than planet 1. It may be a third moon around the gas giant, but I think the dev's have talked about the moon going into different phases to effect the brightness of night. Meaning that there is a moon and the Rightbigplanet is the most likely candidate.

[Rbstr]

maybe Auraxis and those other planets are tidally locked in a similar orbit together in some beautiful yet randomly obscene planetary system ballet?

It would make sense for Auraxis to be tidally locked to the gas giant, as nearly every large moon in our solar system.

Here's my picture of the cosmology involved:
Star orbited by some planets including this gas giant/brown dwarf, it has at least two moons which are either larger/comparable to the larger moons in our solar system, the green one and Auraxis. Auraxis has a smaller moon of its own, perhaps Encledus or Mimas sized.
That last bit is the only thing that seems potentially unlikely to me, as we haven't observed a satellite of a satellite.

(Also someone earlier got this wrong: All of the larger satellites in our solar system have substantial water/ice layers on them except for Io and the Moon. Ganymede, Europa, Titan[which even has a thick opaque atmosphere that supports rain - of methane/ethane])

[Memeotis]

Yeah I can see where you're coming from. The only way I can make sense of this is that the big object in the background is in fact larger than Auraxis; probably the size of Saturn. That way, Auraxis and the other moon can both be assumed as being earth-sized.

[Sledgecrushr]

Yeah I can see where you're coming from. The only way I can make sense of this is that the big object in the background is in fact larger than Auraxis; probably the size of Saturn. That way, Auraxis and the other moon can both be assumed as being earth-sized.

With the small continent size, I am leaning towards auraxis being a moon.

[PsychoXR-20]

I like how the Auraxis sky looks at present, it has character, making it look realistic with just blue sky and a far off moon robs you of the feeling you're on an alien world.

Toto we ain't in Kansas no more

No one is asking for the objects to be removed, just re-sized, and re-positioned so they are possible. Moving them away from each other so that the sky isn't overcrowded, shrinking them some so they actually fee like real objects (the distances between celestial objects is massive) and just generally making the Auraxian system feel physically possible.

At least that's what I want.

[SztEltviz]

I belive that the 'Rightbigplanet' is a moon around Auraxis.

Sun
.
.
.
Gas Giant

^-planet 1

^-Auraxis
^^- Auraxis's moon

I believe this because it is moving significantly faster than the other two bodies, and appears larger than planet 1. Suggesting that it is a small body much closer to Auraxis than planet 1. It may be a third moon around the gas giant, but I think the dev's have talked about the moon going into different phases to effect the brightness of night. Meaning that there is a moon and the Rightbigplanet is the most likely candidate.

The problem with this scenario, that gives no explanation what illuminate Auraxis's moon. The sun is at the other side of the gas giant.

[magnatron]

I'm pretty sure there needs to be some sort of alien tech going on here, as you normally don't find gas giants in the inner track of a solar system (assuming this planet isn't on a death spiral to the sun).

witch says to me this star has got to be absolutely massive for the Goldilock zone to be far enough out to provide enough light for life by the gas giants.

if this is the case it would seem to me that solar activity would be on a scale we have never experienced, and perhaps the magnetic field of the giant would not be able to fully shield its moons.

on the topic of magnetic fields, I'm pretty sure I've read somewhere that Jupiter's magnetic field is so strong that it would kill any unshielded human that got close to it. this leads to the question of just how an entire population survives on a moon that's right on top of it (assuming we are on a moon)

witch brings me back to the alien tech, incorporate a few alien techs that are beyond our understanding (warp gates as the most obvious) and it may very well be possible to create a sky like that, but at that point we are getting into these being spaceships or satellites under a beings control rather than typical moons and planets

and i think ill stop the ramblings there before i get too ridiculous lol

[PsychoXR-20]

I'm pretty sure there needs to be some sort of alien tech going on here, as you normally don't find gas giants in the inner track of a solar system (assuming this planet isn't on a death spiral to the sun).

Actually the vast vast majority of extra solar planets we have discovered are gas giants orbiting extremely close to their parent star.

witch says to me this star has got to be absolutely massive for the Goldilock zone to be far enough out to provide enough light for life by the gas giants.

Because Auraxis is assumed to be orbiting a gas giant, it doesn't necessarily need to be in the habitable zone, as the gas giant can provide some of the heat necessary for humans to survive (this is of course assuming no terraforming has taken place, and that the gas giant isnt radiating lethal amounts of radiation). Not to mention the tidal forces from this giant would produce quite a bit of internal heat in Auraxis.

on the topic of magnetic fields, I'm pretty sure I've read somewhere that Jupiter's magnetic field is so strong that it would kill any unshielded human that got close to it. this leads to the question of just how an entire population survives on a moon that's right on top of it (assuming we are on a moon)

That doesn't really have anything to do wit the magnetic field, Jupiter just radiates too much radiation for Earth life to survive on any of the Galilean moons.

witch brings me back to the alien tech, incorporate a few alien techs that are beyond our understanding (warp gates as the most obvious) and it may very well be possible to create a sky like that, but at that point we are getting into these being spaceships or satellites under a beings control rather than typical moons and planets

That still doesn't explain:

A) how these planets managed to survive before the Vanu arrived. (gravitational fields, tidal forces etc.)
B) How that garden moon is lit on the side facing us, when it's in front of the gas giant, which in turn in is front of the sun (thus eclipsing both Auraxis and the garden world)

I'm all for a super sci-fi skyline, I love this kind of stuff, I just also love a realistic interpretation of these things.

[Sledgecrushr]

Isnt Auraxis part of a binary star system? That would explain how there is
light coming from the wrong direction.

[lolroflroflcake]

Of course it supports life, I live there. Sucks being you other guys with your being an actual planet with only one moon, such a boring night sky. I've got a gas giant and a few other cool looking moons to look at at night and the internet is fucking awesome considering I can play with you guys on earth and I only get a ping of around sixty.

[Synapse]

That doesn't really have anything to do wit the magnetic field, Jupiter just radiates too much radiation for Earth life to survive on any of the Galilean moons.


Are you a scientist or something? Because you're directly contradicting lots of experts who are currently looking for life on Europa.

http://web.archive.org/web/20060703033956/http://www.geo.utep.edu/pub/dirksm/geobiowater/pdf/EOS27March2001.pdf

Just because it doesn't live on the surface doesn't mean life isnt possible there.

[DviddLeff]

Damn it - now I'm not going to be able to look at the view without being annoyed.

[Biohazard]

The problem with this scenario, that gives no explanation what illuminate Auraxis's moon. The sun is at the other side of the gas giant.

I know, it bothers me too! I'm going to blame it on lazy artist. :rolleyes::lol:


Isnt Auraxis part of a binary star system? That would explain how there is
light coming from the wrong direction.

No it dose not, as light would also reflect off the planets too.

[Synapse]

TBH I hope the artists ignore this thread. 90% of players are going to look at that sky and go "WOW, AWESOME" before being killed by some tanks.

Not only are astronomically correct skies more boring, even details like lighting are unlikely to be noticed by the majority of players.

Instead, you could have that same artist working on other great stuff, like a 4th continent.

[PsychoXR-20]

Are you a scientist or something? Because you're directly contradicting lots of experts who are currently looking for life on Europa.

http://web.archive.org/web/20060703033956/http://www.geo.utep.edu/pub/dirksm/geobiowater/pdf/EOS27March2001.pdf

Just because it doesn't live on the surface doesn't mean life isnt possible there.

I said Earth life (aka trees and humans) It stands to reason that if there is life on Europa it would have adapted to its environment. I suppose I should have also said on the surface (where the game takes place). Any life on Europa would be in oceans under the surface of the moon.

[Synapse]

I said Earth life (aka trees and humans) It stands to reason that if there is life on Europa it would have adapted to its environment. I suppose I should have also said on the surface (where the game takes place). Any life on Europa would be in oceans under the surface of the moon.

Earth life includes the rich ecosystems we have around our undersea volcanic vents, doesn't it?

[Blackwolf]

http://www.planetside-universe.com/media/album/vmscby2n9f/20120618_4fdf47a317e44.jpg

Firstly I dunno what crazy orbit they're all following but that small moon would no way support life. It's far too small, it would have had it's atmosphere blown away by the closest star as it's core wouldn't have sustained heat for so long. Now if the moon is being pulled and stretched constantly then it would show signs of volcanic activity. The planets/Moons around it are far more likely to sustain life and yet they appear not to. They're all in same distance from the sun and would not have lost their heat to space any where near as fast as that small moon would have.

I just find the sky highly unrealistic.

My theory is that the large body is a gas giant, maybe about as far away from Auraxis as the asteroid belt is from Earth (making it considerably larger in the sky). The small terran like world orbiting it is a habitable moon that orbits that gas giant. It's size would be about the same as Earth is. The smaller moon in the lower right is one that orbits Auraxis itself.

Then again I know nothing of astrology.

[PsychoXR-20]

Earth life includes the rich ecosystems we have around our undersea volcanic vents, doesn't it?

I'm so sorry that I didn't include the word surface in the original post you are quoting from. Fact is, a human being could not survive on the SURFACE of Io or Europa, Ganymede maybe, and Callisto probably.

Besides, this is not a debate on whether life could or could not exist on Europa, or whether life could exist on the surface of Auraxis. I don't care about that. You could make that gas giant twice as big and I still wouldn't have a problem with fighting on Auraxis. magnatron simply said that it was the magnetic field that was dangerous to life around Jupiter, I simply corrected him saying it's the radiation.

[Rbstr]

All of the Galilean moons are within Jupiter's magnetosphere and are protected from the solar wind. But they all lay within Jupiter's radiation belts. There's too much ionizing radiation on their surfaces for typical biological molecules to stay together.

Ganymede has a magnetic field of it's own and while it's not terribly strong (but three times more than Mercury's) in the theoretical Auraxis system a larger moon could possibly have a much stronger field and an atmosphere which would protect the surface.

Unless you're starting to put real numbers on masses and distances and sizes it's a feasible arrangement, if not particularly likely (asides lighting oddness). But the fun thing about space is that there's so much stuff that any possible arrangement is going to happen.

[SztEltviz]

...
Not only are astronomically correct skies more boring, even details like lighting are unlikely to ....

Boring?
BORING??

Galaxies collide and you will be in the middle!! (http://www.nasa.gov/mission_pages/hubble/science/milky-way-collide.html)

http://imgsrc.hubblesite.org/hu/db/videos/hs-2012-20-e-1280x720_wmv.wmv

[jepaul]

Someone please tell me this thread is a joke. Please.

[capiqu]

I'm fairly certain that that is the moon, not a gas giant. it moves around far too much.

http://www.planetside-universe.com/media/album/vmscby2n9f/20120618_4fdf47a317e44.jpg
http://www.planetside-universe.com/media/album/mp52rz6sp6/20120601_4fc92e0993280.jpg
http://www.planetside-universe.com/media/album/mp52rz6sp6/20120507_4fa80a167e9f0.jpg

Nice , looks like 2 planets with one moon each. Both planets on the same orbit. The bright shiny moon moving around super fast would be Auraxis moon. The second object that looks like a planet with an atmosphere, land and oceans which appears to be suitable for habitation would be the moon of the larger planet. ???

[PvtHazard]

maybe Auraxis and those other planets are tidally locked in a similar orbit together in some beautiful yet randomly obscene planetary system ballet? If Auraxis is tidally locked wouldn't that mean that one side of the planet would always be night and the other side will always be day,and there would be no day,and night cycle?

[PsychoXR-20]

If Auraxis is tidally locked wouldn't that mean that one side of the planet would always be night and the other side will always be day,and there would be no day,and night cycle?

If it's tidally locked to the gas giant, it could still have a day/night cycle, it would just be as long as the parents day (since as the planet orbits around the parent, when the planet is between the star and the parent, it would be day on the far side and when the parent is between the moon and the star it would be night on the far side). Just think about our moon, it's tidally locked to us, but when you see a full moon at night, that side of the moon is being lit, but when it's a new moon (no moon in the sky) the far side of the moon is being lit). Depending on the moon's inclination it might always be eclipsed by the parent, in which case it could take up to an entire orbit for the entire planet to see sunlight.

If it were tidally locked to the star, then yes, there would be no day/night cycle.

[jepaul]

Just announced bunny hoping and shooting while jumping will be allowed in game.

As well as insta kill knifes.

[MasterChief096]

Its important to note that we have no idea if life could be possible on that moon. We have one example of life: Earth. In science, having only one example is pretty terrible evidence. You need to be able to run recurring experiments and generate huge amounts of data. Since we can't visit even our closest interstellar neighbors yet, we'll have no way of knowing which ways life is capable of manifesting itself. Assuming natural selection and evolution are the correct theories, if unicellular life originated underneath one of the gas giant's moon surfaces, it could have evolved and adapted via natural selection for billions of years similar to life on Earth. Instead of evolving to fit Earth's surface environments however, life evolved to fit Auraxis' surface environments. Since no details are offered on the biological make-up of the life forms of Auraxis, we can only assume that the trees are similar to Earth trees, when in reality their chemical and protein structures are probably vastly different. Perhaps arranged in a way that utilizes the massive radiation from the gas giant, or perhaps arranged in a way that makes that radiation harmless? It might not even be DNA that these things are based on, DNA is what we know life to be made of here on Earth. Its the most stable biological information molecule on EARTH. Not the most stable on other planets.

[RandomNPC]

That's actually their home planet, everyone is just to busy fighting to realize the wormhole didn't take them as far as they think.

:rofl:

[SztEltviz]

Someone please tell me this thread is a joke. Please.

No, it's not joke. It's a fun mind game.

Just announced bunny hoping and shooting while jumping will be allowed in game.

As well as insta kill knifes.

We will test it in beta. Till then we have fun with science :)

[SztEltviz]

That still doesn't explain:

A) how these planets managed to survive before the Vanu arrived. (gravitational fields, tidal forces etc.)


Roche limit (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Roche limit)

If the satellite is more than twice as dense as the primary, as can easily be the case for a rocky moon orbiting a gas giant, then the Roche limit will be inside the primary and hence not relevant.

This true for Jupiter (1.4) and Earth (5.5).