We should be able to pay to turn off other people's skins/decals

[super pretendo]

except for camo skins of course

[gunnt]

thats retarded

[Ratstomper]

Absolutely not.

If I can't pay to make the people across the street turn off their garbage music, you can't pay to not see someones awful customization.

[Red Beard]

Absolutely not.

If I can't pay to make the people across the street turn off their garbage music, you can't pay to not see someones awful customization.

That's some classic collectivism there!

[Ratstomper]

That's some classic collectivism there!

Sorry. I didn't know the topic was serious. :(

[super pretendo]

Absolutely not.

If I can't pay to make the people across the street turn off their garbage music, you can't pay to not see someones awful customization.

go knock on their door and offer them some cash

[Ratstomper]

go knock on their door and offer them some cash

Screw them. They'll just buy more crappy music with it. :lol:

Ok, serious business... People pay to have their character look a certain way. Is there a particular reason you want to turn off skins or whathaveyou?

[Satch]

fail.

[FPClark]

"We should have an option to pay sony to change their business model"

[Otleaz]

I wouldn't mind being able to turn just camo off. It is the only thing so far that seems to be pay2win.

[Turdicus]

I seriously doubt that Sony would consider this. By subjecting people to the different skins and camos and such they are more likely to buy skins and camos and such. It's basic advertising.

[SKYeXile]

people wouldn't buy them if thats the case. oh heres this pimp looking skin, you paid for so you look awesome, btw nobody can see it though because having skins and jizz on makes your game go much slower leaving you at a large disadvantage, so you would have to be pretty stupid to play like that and still pay us money for the customisation anyway.

[p0intman]

"We should have an option to pay sony to change their business model"
What you did there...

I see it.

http://cache.ohinternet.com/images/2/24/I_see_what_you_did_there_super.jpg

[Purple]

there is already a thread on this. no need to start a new one.

[Sifer2]

Yeah it would be nice but unlikely to happen since they know 80% of people would just turn it off immediately making the cosmetics shop kind of pointless. That would be pretty funny though if the option to turn it off was a subscriber features. So you really could pay to turn it off lol.

[zomg]

It would be nice if the OP would have posted, you know, a reason for this.

I don't personally see any reason to turn them off. What's the point besides gaining an advantage of being able to recognize the colors of people easier == gaining an advantage over other people?

[Vreki]

Goggles of nostalgia, makes everything look like the original PS.
Now for sale at the PlanetSide Store for only 10000 StationCash.

Also inquire about our NoNoobs shades

[Baneblade]

While we are at it, remove empire colors and weapon upgrade visual cues. Too much detail makes things hard for me.

I want everyone to be one homogeneous mutant after another with no variety or anything to give everything flavor.

Infact, get rid of all empire specifics, make everyone TR and we all get to argue about whose AK-47 jams more.

Oh and we only need one continent. Plus the map is too large and varied. I want to turn all that off too.

Hell, let's just make PS2 on the Minecraft platform, but nobody can change anything. Because that wouldn't be fair for creativity deficient players.

[TeaLeaf]

It'd only be feasible if you had to pay constantly like a lot of the players blinging themselves out will be. I don't see why the customisation would be a deal breaker for anyone though.

[Crator]

This idea popped into my head the other day for about a second then it was discarded right after.... No way they should do this cause, like others have already said, it would deter people from buying the customizations....

[Cuross]

While we are at it, remove empire colors and weapon upgrade visual cues. Too much detail makes things hard for me.

I want everyone to be one homogeneous mutant after another with no variety or anything to give everything flavor.

Infact, get rid of all empire specifics, make everyone TR and we all get to argue about whose AK-47 jams more.

Oh and we only need one continent. Plus the map is too large and varied. I want to turn all that off too.

Hell, let's just make PS2 on the Minecraft platform, but nobody can change anything. Because that wouldn't be fair for creativity deficient players.

Love it!
Really love it!
Love it!

Your sarcasm, sir, is truly inspiring :)

On to the topic at hand, people are paying good money and/or time to look the way they do and I don't understand why people would really want to pay to turn that off. I mean, sure, you might want to remain as fully immersed as possible that you don't want some Liberator with leopard spots and hearts on the windshield ruining your day in the killcam, but let's just consider it an occupational hazard. We are going to be playing with a crowd of people at varying stages of maturity (and I'm not talking about age, here), yes, but some people take pride in making themselves look exactly the way they want to and I believe they have just as much right to want to show it off as we have to just shake our heads and sigh.

Also, I didn't read the whole thread, so maybe I missed something, but that's okay, I don't care about anyone else's opinions but my own!:groovy: JK! I love you all!

[stargazer093]

if you really want to get rid of camo/etc, just replace the texture and meshes files in the game folder and it`ll do fine:groovy:

[Bobby Shaftoe]

This idea popped into my head the other day for about a second then it was discarded right after.... No way they should do this cause, like others have already said, it would deter people from buying the customizations....

They have this in Global Agenda, doesn't stop people buying jetpack trail colours or rainbow armour dyes.

http://s16.postimage.org/flw49amyd/image.jpg

They can just have the killcam showing them in their full 'glory', there you go, you can keep your obnoxious colour pattern and rub it in the face of anyone you manage to kill.

[Dairian]

This should defiantly not happen.

[Ratstomper]

You should make babies with Stew.

...for the love of god, lets not even joke about this. :huh:

[vVRedOctoberVv]

I find this thread deeply offensive. Those of us who pay top dollar for our Zebra tanks and pink combat helmets should be able to force our uberness on you poor, miserable bastards who can't afford Zebra tanks and pink helmets.

[The Kush]

Fail

/thread closed

[Furber]

I think he means just make the skins not show up on YOUR screen. Of course you wont be able to just take them away from other people, that would be insane (hopefully this isn't what the OP wants). I personally wouldn't use this but I could see some ppl being tired of seeing zebras, giraffes, and whatever else is to come. It doesn't seem like it'd be that hard to make this a feature (although I wouldn't really know). More money for SOE that doesn't affect me sounds good.

[Sifer2]

if you really want to get rid of camo/etc, just replace the texture and meshes files in the game folder and it`ll do fine:groovy:


Until you most likely get banned for editing the game files.

There is no way around it really. Were just going to have to live with the silly Bacon an Zebra camo crap. Just a downside of the Free 2 Play model. Though truthfully SOE could have just done a better job of making the payed cosmetics fit into the Planetside world better so people didn't want to turn it off.

[FPClark]

I think he means just make the skins not show up on YOUR screen. Of course you wont be able to just take them away from other people, that would be insane (hopefully this isn't what the OP wants). I personally wouldn't use this but I could see some ppl being tired of seeing zebras, giraffes, and whatever else is to come. It doesn't seem like it'd be that hard to make this a feature (although I wouldn't really know). More money for SOE that doesn't affect me sounds good.

Ummm no...See the whole point of a COSMETIC upgrade is so that other people can see them...If people can turn them off then there is no point in buying them effectively screwing the whole F2P without P2W business model...

A 1 time payment to nullifuy tons of transactions derp.

[Stew]

except for camo skins of course

iam not sure if a get the point ...

but if you mean i just buy a desert camo to be more sneaky and you can desactivate it from your point of view ?

if is thats your idea whats the goal for me to buy a desert camo if their is no use of it anymore since you see me flashy yellow and blue ?

[Xyntech]

iam not sure if a get the point ...

but if you mean i just buy a desert camo to be more sneaky and you can desactivate it from your point of view ?

if is thats your idea whats the goal for me to buy a desert camo if their is no use of it anymore since you see me flashy yellow and blue ?

His point is balance. If we can see non-paying players clearly but it's harder to see some custom skins, that stops being a purely cosmetic item and starts affecting gameplay, at least a little bit.

But I didn't see anyone using camo to hide themselves during the E3 footage.

;)

[Xaine]

there is already a thread on this. No need to start a new one.

moar threads.

[Dougnifico]

I say no. But I also say that all the silly camo patterns should be in empire colors.

[Flaropri]

More money for SOE that doesn't affect me sounds good.

I think it would deter people from buying skins, honestly.

I also don't particularly care for the idea of paying to (partially) undo what people already paid for.

I mean, if people could get the "Loverator" fully skinned out without paying money, I could see it as a valid option, but people pay real money for that sort of gaudiness, and I think if they're willing to do that there shouldn't be an option to under-cut their efforts of looking fabulous, not even for money.

But I didn't see anyone using camo to hide themselves during the E3 footage.

:rolleyes:

[Furret]

When my squadron of hot pink scythes devastates you I want you to know that you just got devastated by a squadron of hot pink scythes. I'd pay 20 bucks to make sure every poor bastard I kill knows who he died to before the killspam even shows up.

[Dougnifico]

See, hot pink. Too silly. Empire colors for the silly stuff. Minimizes the break in immersion.

[Furret]

I feel like you should be able to paint empire specific vehicles any color you want (excluding other faction colors so if they were hacked they could revert to the owners faction colors). Not like anyone is gonna see a hot pink scythe and think "Hey that could be TR".

[Dougnifico]

I feel like you should be able to paint empire specific vehicles any color you want (excluding other faction colors so if they were hacked they could revert to the owners faction colors). Not like anyone is gonna see a hot pink scythe and think "Hey that could be TR".

True, but it makes my palm hurt from my face hitting it constantly...

A cool customization for aircraft... pinup girls.

[Furret]

True, but it makes my palm hurt from my face hitting it constantly...

A cool customization for aircraft... pinup girls.

Sounds like a personal problem. :D

[Dougnifico]

Sounds like a personal problem. :D

It is. Its giving my face carpal tunnel. :cry:

[InternetZombie]

From what I gather the OP said,

He's going to be butt hurt by loverators and the elite zebra squads

[Ratstomper]

True, but it makes my palm hurt from my face hitting it constantly...

A cool customization for aircraft... pinup girls.

I completely agree. I would like to see ES pinup girls and other neat stuff (like shark fins and mouths...).

The more customization, the better!

[Papscal]

Sony wont go for it. They know if the madonnas cant strike a pose like they want to it will cost them members. Heaven forbid this would be a competition instead of a cat walk. Right said Fred?

[FPClark]

Sony wont go for it. They know if the madonnas cant strike a pose like they want to it will cost them members. Heaven forbid this would be a competition instead of a cat walk. Right said Fred?

Because someone who killed you with a flamboyant paint job did it with luck and someone who killed you with a vanilla paint job did it with skill amiright!?

[Stew]

I say no. But I also say that all the silly camo patterns should be in empire colors.

each empire have distinc silouhette and their is No need to have a specific color patern to me i can reconize a Vs for a TR and so on just by looking at the silouhette !

thats why they have make so much different and specific silhouette its not had to reconize those at all ;) no matther if they have the giraff or the zebra camo and it ad spice to the game its all fine to me

[Daffan]

Everyone is hating on this idea

I'm neutral too it, i see the idea that people wont buy and just turn off but....

[Rasui]

I don't mind the customizations. I just wish they weren't stupid things like zebra camo and hood ornaments. How about some cool armor customizations?

[Otleaz]

How about some cool armor customizations?

Don't forget hats.

[Furber]

Ummm no...See the whole point of a COSMETIC upgrade is so that other people can see them...If people can turn them off then there is no point in buying them effectively screwing the whole F2P without P2W business model...

A 1 time payment to nullifuy tons of transactions derp.

I would buy cosmetic upgrades for me to look at, not just as some sort of show off thing, but that's just me. I guess it's not likely that SOE will do this anyway

[Rasui]

Don't forget hats.

I don't mind hats, provided by hats you mean sweet alternate helmets that look totally badass.

[Flaropri]

I don't mind the customizations. I just wish they weren't stupid things like zebra camo and hood ornaments. How about some cool armor customizations?

Based on E3 footage they do have (minor) armor customizations. It's not just skins, though obviously they want to keep the general profiles for each faction.


Also, it looked like they might have different helmets as well, but I'm not 100% on this one. It seems likely regardless though.

[Brambo]

Why so much hate on the OP? Well besides for him not giving a reason why he wants it, but that's not what all these posts are talking about.

So why would you want skins to be gone? Easier recognition, obviously. I can imagine people who are not very experienced getting confused by which enemy they have to shoot. But I'm thinking there will be enough ways to see what is your friend/foe.

If it's just because he wants more immersion, well then he's out of luck, I'm not supporting that.

[fvdham]

Can we have a fashion thread already?

[Hmr85]

No, If I buy something I want to them to look at it dammit. So I say no to any option allowing them to turn it off.

Also, If they allow hats they better give me my Robert Duvall Apocalypse Now Calvary hat. I swear I will wear it every second I am in the cockpit of my Reaver or Gal.
http://i363.photobucket.com/albums/oo77/Hmr85/kilgore1.jpg

[Satexios]

No, If I buy something I want to them to look at it dammit. So I say no to any option allowing them to turn it off.

Also, If they allow hats they better give me my Robert Duvall Apocalypse Now Calvary hat. I swear I will wear it every second I am in the cockpit of my Reaver or Gal.
http://i363.photobucket.com/albums/oo77/Hmr85/kilgore1.jpg

http://chakru.com/wp-content/uploads/2012/05/shut-up-money.jpg

[jabber]

I say no. But I also say that all the silly camo patterns should be in empire colors.

they will E3 was alpha textures. in the final game custom skins will reflect you faction colors.

was mentioned during the E3 stream

[Enzo]

except for camo skins of course

You will stare into the My Little Pony stickers on my helmet and my hot pink zebra camo as I rip my blade from your chest and watch the life fade from your eyes.

[Luieburger]

And I should be able to pay extra to make sure that my skins show up on your screen no matter what.

[Tooterfish]

I am not going to pay for a zebra skin then not have the fucker I killed NOT see me sporting my Zebra skin on the kill cam. I'm ZEBRA MAN mother fucker and I payed 4 dollars to let you know that. You will know this.

ZEBRA4L!

[Stew]

they will E3 was alpha textures. in the final game custom skins will reflect you faction colors.

was mentioned during the E3 stream

I dont think the (( desert camo for the NC will be blue )) this is simply just stupid and have no point in it

have you ever seen a jungle camo blue , red , or purple ? whats the point to pay for a comouflage if its actually not a camouflage ?

I think the silhouette is enough and also the red glowing name over the ennemies head is enough to see whos allies and whos not No need to have a fixed specifics colors

like i said some want silly camo some want usefull camo some want bad ass looking camo and it must be this way

If all the camo look the same whithin a faction how they will be able to make money ? asking 10 $ just for a blue patern instead of another blue patern ?

is this make sens at all ?

[musefrog]

You will stare into the My Little Pony stickers on my helmet and my hot pink zebra camo as I rip my blade from your chest and watch the life fade from your eyes.

You remind me of the delightful dichotomy of this video. I believe it is relevant to your interests. Meet the Pyro - YouTube

[Enzo]

I dont think the (( desert camo for the NC will be blue )) this is simply just stupid and have no point in it

have you ever seen a jungle camo blue , red , or purple ? whats the point to pay for a comouflage if its actually not a camouflage ?

I think the silhouette is enough and also the red glowing name over the ennemies head is enough to see whos allies and whos not No need to have a fixed specifics colors

like i said some want silly camo some want usefull camo some want bad ass looking camo and it must be this way

If all the camo look the same whithin a faction how they will be able to make money ? asking 10 $ just for a blue patern instead of another blue patern ?

is this make sens at all ?

You kinda just defeated your own argument there. If the enemy has red glowing names over their head, there is no point to proper camouflage in the first place since it does not actually serve the purpose of concealing you from sight. That being the case, the color and pattern of the camo is purely cosmetic.

Personally I would prefer the patterns to be faction themed. The camo that I saw in the live stream looked a little strange. For example you had a Vanu Max with desert camo on some parts and bright purple on others which looked kinda goofy.

[Stew]

You kinda just defeated your own argument there. If the enemy has red glowing names over their head, there is no point to proper camouflage in the first place since it does not actually serve the purpose of concealing you from sight. That being the case, the color and pattern of the camo is purely cosmetic.

Personally I would prefer the patterns to be faction themed. The camo that I saw in the live stream looked a little strange. For example you had a Vanu Max with desert camo on some parts and bright purple on others which looked kinda goofy.

yes their is a point when your far in the desert or when people are not aming at you and you are at a certain distance in these situation the camo will help

Factions theme camo will be useless to me if u buy a jungle camo or desert camo i want them to be usefull is many situation

So the ennmies will have to be on their toes and making sure iam a ennemy and they will have to get use to reconize the silhouette but froma far it will be hard and this is what i like about it ;)

It will be more tactical and more thrilling ! this way

[Dagron]

To me camos are just mildly useful, i only want them because they're cool.

That said, i think the OP's idea is horrible. If something like this was implemented, i would never buy any cosmetics... if i pay for a skin i want people to see it.

[Vancha]

I see a lot of people saying "this is a stupid idea, I wouldn't buy anything because I want people to see my skin!"

Does no one else find it slightly worrying that the prospect of this option existing creates the assumption that the majority would have it? If the existence of this option would result in even 10% of players opting for it, then the custom skins are seriously fucked up. There shouldn't be that many people who'd want to turn them off...

Just a thought.

[Dagron]

I want everyone to see my character the way i see it, not just most people.

I agree with this though:
If the existence of this option would result in even 10% of players opting for it, then the custom skins are seriously fucked up. There shouldn't be that many people who'd want to turn them off...
Skins shouldn't suck enough to make many people refuse to look at them. Zebra camos already make me raise an eyebrow, but propeller hats (in a non-comical game) would make me sick.
 

[Sledgecrushr]

When I ride up on my scooter of death you will tremble in ...laughter
http://thumbs.imagekind.com/member/6ec0a111-d59f-4a56-9194-d2bb90860678/uploadedartwork/650x650/8cc0699f-a427-4e2b-b613-8a689d643d47.jpg

[Brambo]

If the existence of this option would result in even 10% of players opting for it, then the custom skins are seriously fucked up. There shouldn't be that many people who'd want to turn them off...
IMO, there's always gonna be people who want to turn it off. For one, it would make the game run (maybe not much) smoother. Secondly, they maybe don't want the "immersion" broken by having everyone look different in armies like these. I don't share this opinion, but i've heard enough people who are just flat-out against custom skins, be they cammo or zebra.

[Blue Sam]

I dont think the (( desert camo for the NC will be blue )) this is simply just stupid and have no point in it

have you ever seen a jungle camo blue , red , or purple ? whats the point to pay for a comouflage if its actually not a camouflage ?

I think the silhouette is enough and also the red glowing name over the ennemies head is enough to see whos allies and whos not No need to have a fixed specifics colors

like i said some want silly camo some want usefull camo some want bad ass looking camo and it must be this way

If all the camo look the same whithin a faction how they will be able to make money ? asking 10 $ just for a blue patern instead of another blue patern ?

is this make sens at all ?

To be honest, the only sort of camo I'd be likely to buy would be a dazzle camouflage pattern, which basically is a blue pattern instead of another blue pattern, just one that looks epic and is (allegedly) useful.

[super pretendo]

And I should be able to pay extra to make sure that my skins show up on your screen no matter what.
and the I should be able to pay even more to have super-ultra skin protection from any and all skins.

we could have an arms race of microtransactions to determine whether they show up or not

[AvacadoEight]

and the I should be able to pay even more to have super-ultra skin protection from any and all skins.

we could have an arms race of microtransactions to determine whether they show up or not

SOE would win big time in the end.

Because there are those who are so stubborn that they WOULD spend 500 $ just to make sure someone see's their Zebra Skin.

[Pancake]

I would prefer that no TR/VS see my Jungle Camo NC MAX as I stroll through the forest to their base...

[Baneblade]

As long as I can buy an override for your override. I buy this shit so you have to look at it. I don't want my money to be wasted.

[MilesJenkins]

I'm cool with people making themselves easier to spot.

[MrBloodworth]

Global agenda allows this, it works fine there, even gives a performance boost for some.

Loading up 200 unique textures will be overhead.

[Infernalis]

I'm ok with removing camo/decals for people on low settings since they'll need every perfomance boosts they can get, otherwise no.

[Baneblade]

I'm ok with removing camo/decals for people on low settings since they'll need every perfomance boosts they can get, otherwise no.

And if it gives an advantage... everyone will do it. Killing SOE's revenue.

[Dreamcast]

If a damn Zebra skin makes u mad....Then GTFO.



SRS....Do you really think everybody is gonna buy damn zebra skins?.....I bet 99% of people won't buy zebra or animal skins.

Most would buy anything that looks cool like Camo's and crap like that.

[Baneblade]

Most won't buy anything.

[Trafalgar]

IMHO, if my entire outfit buys shark face art for our aircraft (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Hells_Angels,_Flying_Tigers_1942.jpg), you shouldn't be able to flip a switch to get rid of the psychologically intimidating shark face art, whether it costs money to be able to disable them or not.

[fvdham]

Zebra cammo *will* look if a platoon comes toward you all in zebra.

[Vancha]

IMO, there's always gonna be people who want to turn it off. For one, it would make the game run (maybe not much) smoother. Secondly, they maybe don't want the "immersion" broken by having everyone look different in armies like these. I don't share this opinion, but i've heard enough people who are just flat-out against custom skins, be they cammo or zebra.
Well yes, that's who this item is for. The point is, they probably make up a relatively small amount of the player-base, so if there's a lot of other people who want to turn the skins off, that would signify a problem with the skins. You shouldn't have to "trap" people into seeing premium items by giving them no other choice...The vast majority should want to be able to see them because they should look better than the default.

[Crator]

No problem... If you see someone wearing dumb skins just make it a point to shoot at them first. Then when they ask an empire mate why they are getting killed so much they can reply "Change your skin bro!" :lol:

[noxious]

Absolutely not.

If I can't pay to make the people across the street turn off their garbage music, you can't pay to not see someones awful customization.

Obviously you've never lived in an HOA neighborhood.

[Airanuva]

It's a free 2 play model. It runs off of micro transactions. If you want to nullify those transactions, you're going to have to pay a large subscription... Say, 15-20 dollars a month.

Look at it this way: You can either pay a ton of money to get rid of the customization people put into their equipment, or you can pay a little to join in the fun.

As for lower end systems... A continent can hold 2000 people. Those people can all theoretically be in the same place at the same time. Lower end systems will explode regardless of the skins.
(Plus, look at team fortress 2... it has probably reached billions of different customizations, yet everything runs exactly the same regardless. If it is does take processing power, it takes very, very little.)

[FPClark]

People who think camo will matter that much in the game are the same people who would wear camo to go play paintballing.


(Protip: It wont help)

[Karrade]

No point buying my desert camo if people can turn off the advantage. I'll stick with the default if its in.


People who think camo will matter that much in the game are the same people who would wear camo to go play paintballing.


(Protip: It wont help)

Protip in PVP EVERYTHING helps. - Yes that includes taunting ;), size of characters, playing females (less so these days) etc, etc, etc. Any small advantage is worth it.

[Vancha]

It's a free 2 play model. It runs off of micro transactions. If you want to nullify those transactions, you're going to have to pay a large subscription... Say, 15-20 dollars a month.

Look at it this way: You can either pay a ton of money to get rid of the customization people put into their equipment, or you can pay a little to join in the fun.
Again, if there's enough people who want to turn the skins off that it hurts their business model, then there's a problem with the skins.

[Flaropri]

IMO, there's always gonna be people who want to turn it off. For one, it would make the game run (maybe not much) smoother. Secondly, they maybe don't want the "immersion" broken by having everyone look different in armies like these. I don't share this opinion, but i've heard enough people who are just flat-out against custom skins, be they cammo or zebra.

Having different textures/models does not effect performance unless they are vastly more complex than default textures/models... which given comments about being able to look at the stitching in the default textures seems unlikely.

As far as "immersion breaking" the 10th or so time they kill/get killed by "IPFreely" and "RainbowCream" will disillusion them well enough for it to not be a big deal... or it's not the game for them.

[MrBloodworth]

Having different textures/models does not effect performance

You are wrong. Each texture file that is loaded needs it own memory space, Considering PS2 uses Diffuse, normal and specular, that's three texture per customization.

If three people are near you, and two have the normal skin, and one has a custom, that's two sets in memory.

It's a free 2 play model. It runs off of micro transactions. If you want to nullify those transactions, you're going to have to pay a large subscription... Say, 15-20 dollars a month.

You are also wrong. Other games that sell cosmetics do just fine with the ability for the viewer to toggle them off for him. Global agenda does it, and that one title alone has funded two other games in development/just released.

[Landtank]

You are wrong. Each texture file that is loaded needs it own memory space, Considering PS2 uses Diffuse, normal and specular, that's three texture per customization.

If three people are near you, and two have the normal skin, and one has a custom, that's two sets in memory.
.

Hmm I disagree. It will make maybe the smallest difference, as the textures will likely be stored in the RAM, allowing for fastest access to those files. Most textures should be pre-loaded methinks.

Anyways, I don't think there should be an option to turn off peoples customizations. I agree with Vancha though. If I pay for a skin, then I want it to be seen, that includes any advantage or disadvantage that comes along with it.

@FPClark, I guess you've never gone paintballing then. Camo helps, a lot. Especially in games where shadows matter, and Planetside 2 falls under that category. I guess the US Military should just stop developing digital camo seeing as it doesn't make any difference :groovy:

[MrBloodworth]

Hmm I disagree. It will make maybe the smallest difference, as the textures will likely be stored in the RAM, allowing for fastest access to those files. Most textures should be pre-loaded methinks.

You can disagree if you want. :D

They go in video memory. They are disk streamed, not front loaded. Every texture that is different ( and its associated specular, and normal ) goes into memory. Even using S3 Texture Compression, unique sets take memory.

PS1 was front loaded, PS2 uses streaming.

It likely will not be an issues for most users, if they have a good memory manager in forge light, but its not something you can ignore for every user.

There is a reason they cut so much model content as opposed to Planetside one. There is a reason all the vehicles are becoming jacks of all.

[Brusi]

Most won't buy anything.
This

The majority (something like 80%) will probably never convert to a paying player. What benefit would there be to having skins turned on?

Global Agenda is different... It's a competative session based shooter, with a social lobby. The skins(dyes) in GA were primarily for hanging out in the lobby.

I don't know anyone who left them on during a match.

[Vancha]

This

The majority (something like 80%) will probably never convert to a paying player. What benefit would there be to having skins turned on?
Identification? Being able to identify the 3 aircav that just came over the ridge as the best pilots on the server instead of some randoms is pretty damn valuable.

Also, if people buy the ability to switch off skins, they've become paying players. If 80% will never buy anything, that's 80% of the player-base that are guaranteed to be seeing your shiny cash-shop skin.

[Vancha]

Actually, maybe that's their strategy...Have everyone look terrible in leopard and zebra-print, then get people to pay to make everyone else look better (by turning off the skins). ;)

[Sledgecrushr]

I think the zebra and leopard cammos were more just proof of concepts. I would really like to see some more of there serious stuff.

[Brusi]

Yeah, I kinda feel an option to turn off skins is too big a deal for it to be purchasable... Seems like an advantage to be able to disable skins.

The idea of using them to identify enemies is also largely useless if some have the skins off and some have them on.

The only time we used skins on in GA was when facing noobs strikeforces who did not have a uniform, and we would call targets based on dyes.

E.g. "focus fire on the idiot medic in bright pink!"

[The Kush]

How the hell has this thread not died yet?

Absolutely not. This is the dumbest idea I have seen on these forums. No one is going to buy skins if another player can turn them off. Quit trying to limit the games revenue stream. I swear there is so much crying in this thread. It's a game a little bit of customization won't kill you, and there definitely won't be an option to turn it off, otherwise buying a desert camo for a desert map would be pointless. Let's start using common sense everyone and let this thread die of into the abyss of this forum.

[Landtank]

How the hell has this thread not died yet?

Absolutely not. This is the dumbest idea I have seen on these forums. No one is going to buy skins if another player can turn them off. Quit trying to limit the games revenue stream. I swear there is so much crying in this thread. It's a game a little bit of customization won't kill you, and there definitely won't be an option to turn it off, otherwise buying a desert camo for a desert map would be pointless. Let's start using common sense everyone and let this thread die of into the abyss of this forum.

/thread

[Vancha]

How the hell has this thread not died yet?

Absolutely not. This is the dumbest idea I have seen on these forums. No one is going to buy skins if another player can turn them off. Quit trying to limit the games revenue stream. I swear there is so much crying in this thread. It's a game a little bit of customization won't kill you, and there definitely won't be an option to turn it off, otherwise buying a desert camo for a desert map would be pointless. Let's start using common sense everyone and let this thread die of into the abyss of this forum.
Maybe it's not died because both of your points have been shot down already. The OP said camo wasn't included, so you didn't even read that far?

[Dagron]

True, i saw a one liner and didn't read it, just assumed he was repeating the topic. Does that mean he only wants to turn off silly stuff?

There are a few issues with that, such as: Different people consider different things silly. Should darker/brighter shades of the empire colors, or reversing the pattern (i.e. blue parts turn yellow, yellow parts turn blue) be toggleable? What about zebra skin, since some people claim it works as camo in the snow?

I still think this would make less people buy things.


As for the memory usage, i think having different models is way heavier than skins. Buying a different helmet doesn't help conceal the player, so just because it's a vanity feature it should be turned off to increase performance?

Anyway, if the issue is performance i think it shouldn't be something they charge for. It should be included in the texture/graphics quality slider (or only be toggleable when your custom settings are at an overall low quality), so it can only get removed when your setting are already down to the crappy graphics. If you want them turned off you shouldn't be allowed to do so and keep everything else at max capacity (otherwise you're not worried about performance, you just want to remove other people's customizations).

[Trafalgar]

As long as the developers aren't second lifeing the vehicle paint (let you upload any texture for a fee) there shouldn't be noticeable overhead from camo. SL has the issue that everyone uses 256x256 textures on everything, so that it will look as good as possible, including earrings, pistol grips, bullets, semi-transparent textures (and sometimes fully transparent textures... some people are dumb), particles, you name it, and few people consider the problem of trying to fit thousands of 256x256 textures along with user-created models into VRAM in busy sims, and those who do can rarely do anything about it. For example, a 256x256 texture in 32 bpp, uncompressed, takes about 1/4 of a MB. 1000 of them would be 250 MB, which is one reason that feature is not generally found outside Second Life. If there's only something like 20 textures, that's far less, and it's not like there will be considerable added overhead for using different textures...

[The Kush]

Maybe it's not died because both of your points have been shot down already. The OP said camo wasn't included, so you didn't even read that far?

I ignored that because it is simply stupid. Why would you pick and choose what you can turn off. I know the planetside 2 devs would agree. It defeats the purpose of buying a different look if everyone can just turn it off.

[GreatMazinkaise]

Camo is also a silly tacticool affectation... but if it's in the cash shop it should be seen.

Kaiser fully supports the right of all players to look completely retarded in whatever manner they please.

[Trafalgar]

Camo is also a silly tacticool affectation... but if it's in the cash shop it should be seen.

Yes, we should go back to dressing like Redcoats, because people in camo are obviously easier to spot.

[GreatMazinkaise]

Yes, we should go back to dressing like Redcoats, because people in camo are obviously easier to spot.

In games and on the tabletop, yes they should. If you want to be hard to see, play a cloaker.

[Vancha]

I ignored that because it is simply stupid. Why would you pick and choose what you can turn off. I know the planetside 2 devs would agree. It defeats the purpose of buying a different look if everyone can just turn it off.
Oh wow, you didn't even read the title.

You'd have to pay to turn off other peoples' skins. No one could "just turn it off".

Also, what say you to the point that if there's not only enough people that want them off, but enough people willing to pay money to turn them off that it becomes a problem for them, that the skins aren't good enough? The skins shouldn't be so bad that even 10% of the population wants to pay to turn them off, let alone "everyone".

[LostAlgorithm]

This is one of those threads that makes me a bit disappointed in gamers. A person who wants to make the game more fun for themselves offered a perfectly fine compromise that wouldn't affect those on the other side at all, but the other side is far too selfish and self-obsessed.

"NO! If I pay for something you should be forced to see it! If you don't see it it loses value."

You looking like a pink zebra with cat ears means nothing to the person who wants to disable it. There is no value to be gained from a person who doesn't want to see your skin being forced to. The only people who add value to your skin purchase are those who do want to see it, and thus wouldn't buy an option that would allow them disable skins.

People need to stop being unreasonable and selfish. It is, literally, why we can't have good things. All forcing those who don't want to see these skins does is result in more players being potentially turned off from the game due to the goofiness. However, if you have an option such as the OP proposed then you can appeal to a larger playerbase with more varied tastes.

This thread is not dead, it's just overflowing with selfishness.

[Hmr85]

I am of the opinion that if the camo actually works like its suppose to. Why should you be given the advantage to turn it off and have me stand out in the middle of some foliage with the crap default armor? Any tactical opportunity/advantage I had just went out the window. So its a no for me.

[GreatMazinkaise]

I am of the opinion that if the camo actually works like its suppose to. Why should you be given the advantage to turn it off and have me stand out in the middle of some foliage with the crap default armor? Any tactical opportunity/advantage I had just went out the window. So its a no for me.

Show some pride man... why wear camo when you can don the blue and gold?

[Psi]

This is one of those threads that makes me a bit disappointed in gamers. A person who wants to make the game more fun for themselves offered a perfectly fine compromise that wouldn't affect those on the other side at all, but the other side is far too selfish and self-obsessed.

"NO! If I pay for something you should be forced to see it! If you don't see it it loses value."

You looking like a pink zebra with cat ears means nothing to the person who wants to disable it. There is no value to be gained from a person who doesn't want to see your skin being forced to. The only people who add value to your skin purchase are those who do want to see it, and thus wouldn't buy an option that would allow them disable skins.

People need to stop being unreasonable and selfish. It is, literally, why we can't have good things. All forcing those who don't want to see these skins does is result in more players being potentially turned off from the game due to the goofiness. However, if you have an option such as the OP proposed then you can appeal to a larger playerbase with more varied tastes.

This thread is not dead, it's just overflowing with selfishness.

It honestly seems like you're deliberately ignoring the fact that people pay real world money for those pink skins.

An option, paid or otherwise, to disable them would entirely shatter the business model that this game is being built around and likely cause the game to spiral into a death dive because they're losing a lot of incoming money for those 'pink zebra skins' (or other any other cosmetic item) being worthless.

That's the bottom line. Like it or not.

[Crator]

^^^ Yeah, you really can't say that adding a PAID option to disable the skin will make the game die because it isn't getting revenue. You are PAYING REAL MONEY to disable the skin.

Instead of selling an option to disable the skin, how about selling an alternate skin for each skin. So you have to purchase an alternate skin for each skin that is sold for SC.

[Psi]

That's considering that there's a single, one time purchase to disable them. Whereas there will be dozens, if not more, skins to purchase. Why purchase even one when so many people would never see it?

That's the rub here. Most people would only buy that, and nothing else. Where if you can see the skins, you're tempted to buy more and more of them on every character.

Edit: This option being proposed here would be a sort of 'lock out' to earning any more money from the options that this would essentially cancel out.

Extreme case here: If you offer 200 different skins for $1 each, that's a potential for earning $200. Then you go and offer a 'Cancel Skins' option for $10. You're essentially locking yourself out of $190. It's sort of a bad business move.

[Airanuva]

This thread is not dead, it's just overflowing with selfishness.

How is it selfish to not want your money to be wasted?
Look at it like this: One player absolutely loves the customizations... He has bought every single one, and maybe has more than one account where he has bought them as well. He is a good source of money for PS2.
Now, one person hates all the different customizations, and buys the one thing to turn it off, essentially nullifying everything that one guy has bought.
Sorry, but PS2 runs off of micro-transactions, and they won't grant something to nullify them.

So in short: I bought it, you are going to see it.


But people... they have said more than once that they are not going to put out anything overly silly!
Yes, the zebra paint is garish and you can have some silly decals... But that's the extent. The rest are likely to be epic, like adding horns, spikes, everything you nineties kids love.
Plus... when over a hundred Scythes, all painted like zebras, come at you weapons blazing... You aren't going to be thinking "that's silly." You're going to be freaking the hell out at the coordination those ships have, and how you are likely to die in a couple seconds.


You know, I do dislike bringing up the same example again... but Team Fortress 2 now pretty much is under the same system as PS2 is going to have. The majority of the player-base and developers there are obsessed with Hats. Hats that can and do look completely ridiculous. But, they don't change anything. That heavy in the plaid pink shirt and red mullet that has energy swirling about it, he's still going to mow you down all the same.

[Flaropri]

Instead of selling an option to disable the skin, how about selling an alternate skin for each skin. So you have to purchase an alternate skin for each skin that is sold for SC.

Still effects multiple characters. Unless you're paying to replace each individual item for each individual character. In which case... if you have that much money, you might be better off approaching the players directly and paying them to not use the customizations during your regular hours of play. Or, I don't know, do something useful and buy something productive instead of something that belittles others and their legit purchases.

[Crator]

^^^ I often times try to find a middle ground for two groups of people with differing opinions. That was one I came up with for this topic.... You've got a good point though...

[LostAlgorithm]

Look at it like this: One player absolutely loves the customizations... He has bought every single one, and maybe has more than one account where he has bought them as well. He is a good source of money for PS2.
Now, one person hates all the different customizations, and buys the one thing to turn it off, essentially nullifying everything that one guy has bought.
Sorry, but PS2 runs off of micro-transactions, and they won't grant something to nullify them.

You're looking at it wrong.

If a player doesn't like or want to see your skin, that purchase is effectively already nullified. It's actually more of a net negative effect because the player who doesn't want to see it is forced to play a game experience that is less fun than what they could enjoy were they able to disable that skin.

The option to disable would just be another micro-transaction that functions as both a boost to profits and to the gameplay experience of those who choose to purchase it.

[Psi]

You're looking at it wrong.


Best quote I've seen in this entire thread. I think I'll start using this for every argument around here now.

I don't have to make sense, I can just flat out tell people they're wrong. :groovy:








;)

Oh also:
You're looking at it wrong.

[LostAlgorithm]

Best quote I've seen in this entire thread. I think I'll start using this for every argument around here now.

I don't have to make sense, I can just flat out tell people they're wrong. :groovy:








;)

Oh also:

You kinda left out the part where I went on to explain how I thought he was looking at it wrong, but please, don't let reason get in the way of...whatever it is you were trying to do.

Hey man, whatever you have to do to still post but avoid actually contributing to the thread, it's cool with me.

[Psi]

Last time I did, you ignored it. But you didn't ignore that. So I must be doing something right.

Right?

[The Kush]

Oh wow, you didn't even read the title.

You'd have to pay to turn off other peoples' skins. No one could "just turn it off".

Also, what say you to the point that if there's not only enough people that want them off, but enough people willing to pay money to turn them off that it becomes a problem for them, that the skins aren't good enough? The skins shouldn't be so bad that even 10% of the population wants to pay to turn them off, let alone "everyone".

No shit Sherlock. Your paying to turn off the customizations the game is making money off. They don't care about a few kids like you who cry over camo. If you don't like it don't buy it but the devs arent going to give you an option to pay to turn off the skins. Then it will turn people away from buying it for the reasons I put in my other posts.

[BorisBlade]

doesnt matter if you can turn off camo or not, its totally pointless in this game. Whether you are red and black or covered in camo, you still have a giant red name over your head and because of lame spotting, you will even have that too following you behind objects and terrain. People seem to miss this. Same reason night combat is not even remotely as cool as it could be. Giant red names along lame spotting markers will make you stand out like a sore thumb no matter what you wear or look like.

[Baneblade]

Like I said before, let me buy an override for your override and we can call it settled.

Player A buys Skin, Player B sees new skin.
Player B buys Skin Defaulter, Player B sees old skin.
Player A buys Skin Override, Player B sees new skin again.

[LostAlgorithm]

Like I said before, let me buy an override for your override and we can call it settled.

Player A buys Skin, Player B sees new skin.
Player B buys Skin Defaulter, Player B sees old skin.
Player A buys Skin Override, Player B sees new skin again.

I don't understand why you and the others feel so adamant about forcing your poor taste upon others who really don't care to see it. You won't even know they can't see the skins you bought.

[Airanuva]

You're looking at it wrong.

If a player doesn't like or want to see your skin, that purchase is effectively already nullified. It's actually more of a net negative effect because the player who doesn't want to see it is forced to play a game experience that is less fun than what they could enjoy were they able to disable that skin.

The option to disable would just be another micro-transaction that functions as both a boost to profits and to the gameplay experience of those who choose to purchase it.

A player that is bothered by the skins so much already won't be paying anything, so it isn't a loss. It is neutral.
A player that wants the skin, but knows that people disable them, won't want it as much. THAT is a loss.
Look, unless the ability to disable skins becomes the sole source of income, the vast number of skins will be a bigger income than the ability to disable them.


Think like this: on one server there are 6000 people. Now, let's be generous and say there are 3 completely full servers. 18,000 people.
If there is an option to turn the skins off, and everyone goes for it, assuming everyone else is going to get the silly skins the production team said they won't have... Let's say it's equal to the price of the skins, and at about 4 dollars. That is only 72,000 dollars. Probably not even close to production cost.
Now, let's say two thirds of the population buys skins. Half of that one third buys two. That's 72,000 dollars still. Same amount, but...
That $72,000 could be recurring, if they, for example, put out at least two new skins per month, and the same amount of players buy the same amount.
Skin disable is a one-time buy, while more skins = more profit.

Now, if skins had an obscenely high price and a time limit, then you might have something. Like, if you paid 4 dollars to not see the skins for a day. 100 dollars for a month as a deal.
But, even this carries a negative. If people in a large enough number consistently buy this, despite being good in the short term for PS2, in the long term it means less people will buy skins since people are not able to see them. and if less people buy skins, less people will buy the disable. It'd be a severe downward spiral from there.

This game is F2P, but the company still needs to make money, otherwise it is shut down.
Conversely, they can go back to the subscription system... But that will decrease the player base.

There is a lot of economics behind this problem, and unless you can magically think of a system where the game makes money, the player-base is very large, and it doesn't involve skins or other micro transactions, I'm sure the gaming industry would love to hear it.



I don't understand why you and the others feel so adamant about forcing your poor taste upon others who really don't care to see it. You won't even know they can't see the skins you bought.

You don't even know if they have poor taste! Hell, they probably won't!
the PS team has said they are avoiding anything overly silly. There is a zebra skin, but believe it or not, that is actually a camouflage! Granted no one is colorblind and there isn't any tall grass yet, but it is still camouflage. Same with the giraffe skin.
If they do come out with a pink skin option... Well then you have an easier target! Oh, except in the desert, since pink is actually light enough to start blending with the surrounding area.

[Sledgecrushr]

I thought i had a pretty good solution to this. Any skin that you buy, you will have the option to turn that skin off. Course that would just go for the purely cosmetic not the semi useful like desert cammo and such.

[Ratstomper]

I don't understand why you and the others feel so adamant about forcing your poor taste upon others who really don't care to see it.

Welcome to life, friendo.

[Flaropri]

I don't understand why you and the others feel so adamant about forcing your poor taste upon others who really don't care to see it.

I'm curious, do you realize that many people buy cosmetic items (in games and physical reality) as much to project an image as for personal enjoyment of the image?

Followup: do you want to be able to over-ride what you see people wear in real life when you think their choices are in poor taste?

[FPClark]

Yes, we should go back to dressing like Redcoats, because people in camo are obviously easier to spot.

I played a scenario game in hawaii once with 200ish people on either side in a pink tuxedo jersey. I got shot once in the entire 48 hour period (I went through 10 cases of paint ;P so I wasnt chillin on the back lines either).
http://i.imgur.com/l96f5.jpg

What I mean to say is that camo isnt nearly as effective as people are making it out to be and it certainly is no substitute for skill.

Honestly being in the Air Force has made me pretty jaded AGAINST camo as the only thing our camo blends into is cubicles and ugly couches...

People want the ability to stand out (and if that makes them an easier target why are you guys even complaining?)

[Vancha]

No shit Sherlock. Your paying to turn off the customizations the game is making money off. They don't care about a few kids like you who cry over camo. If you don't like it don't buy it but the devs arent going to give you an option to pay to turn off the skins. Then it will turn people away from buying it for the reasons I put in my other posts.
Okay, once again, slowly...

If there's enough people PAYING to turn off the skins that it turns the rest of the player-base away from buying those skins, how bad are those skins?

The items in the cash shop should look BETTER than the defaults, if so many people are giving money to SOE to disable those skins because they look so much worse than the defaults, their business model has already failed. The point of cash shop items is to be more appealing than the standard.

If enough people bought the "skin disabler" to the point it stopped people buying the skins themselves, there would be a BIG, BIG problem and it wouldn't be with the disabler.

Are you getting it yet? The skins should not look so bad as to make the existence of a skin disabler a financial detriment. If the skins look half-decent and fit within the game, a skin disabler would only mean profit for SOE.

Best quote I've seen in this entire thread. I think I'll start using this for every argument around here now.

I don't have to make sense, I can just flat out tell people they're wrong. :groovy:
Yeah, pick him up on the badly-worded first line and ignore the perfectly valid point.

If someone thinks you look worse in a cash shop item then there's already a problem, but that aside, you've already wasted money if someone doesn't think you look better. I understand the enjoyment of showing off a cosmetic cash shop item, but only as far as other people thinking it's cool. If I know there's someone who thinks it looks ridiculous to the point of paying to turn it off, what enjoyment does one get from forcing them to see it?

[Landtank]

I played a scenario game in hawaii once

Ughhhh I want to go to Hawaii... super jealous

[FPClark]

Ughhhh I want to go to Hawaii... super jealous

Visit...Never EVER choose to live here.

[Landtank]

Visit...Never EVER choose to live here.

Hah, noted. Live in NY! It's a great place.

Anyways, I can handle people's customizations as long as they aren't asinine or stupid, like totalbiscuits loverator.

Ps! Happy Birthday America!

[LostAlgorithm]

I'm curious, do you realize that many people buy cosmetic items (in games and physical reality) as much to project an image as for personal enjoyment of the image?

Of course I do, I just don't care about their personal image if it doesn't suit my tastes.

Followup: do you want to be able to over-ride what you see people wear in real life when you think their choices are in poor taste?

No, because those are people I have to deal with in real situations. Their poor choices give me advance warning about what kind of person I'm dealing with.

I really don't care to be forced to see those poor choices in a video game though because I'm not forced to interact with any of them if I don't want to. I'd rather be able to scrub the game of those things I think are stupid and have it fit my idealized vision of what the game should look like, which is largely the same vision Planetside 1 had: faction colors and no stupid accessories / camos / hats.

[Pride]

If this annoys you that badly you can always tamper with your files to get rid of it. I know in League Of Legends if you hate skins, or want a skin you don't have you can copy the files and rename them. The game loads the wrong skin so it displays the one you want. It's client side only, but this sounds like the kind of thing you were after.

So in Planetside for example there may be joke camos you don't like (i.e Zebra). Find it in your files "Zerbra.camo",delete it, Copy your "Default.camo" file and rename it "Zebra.camo". Simple.

[LostAlgorithm]

If this annoys you that badly you can always tamper with your files to get rid of it. I know in League Of Legends if you hate skins, or want a skin you don't have you can copy the files and rename them. The game loads the wrong skin so it displays the one you want. It's client side only, but this sounds like the kind of thing you were after.

So in Planetside for example there may be joke camos you don't like (i.e Zebra). Find it in your files "Zerbra.camo",delete it, Copy your "Default.camo" file and rename it "Zebra.camo". Simple.

I think it unlikely you'll be able to do that without getting caught and banned. Even Blizzard checks for tampering with this kind of stuff.

I'd be fine with that as a solution so long as I was told by the devs I wouldn't be punished for it.

[Pride]

I think it unlikely you'll be able to do that without getting caught and banned. Even Blizzard checks for tampering with this kind of stuff.

I'd be fine with that as a solution so long as I was told by the devs I wouldn't be punished for it.

Well I know Valve is fine with this sort of thing, I use lots of mods that change the appearance of characters and weapons in left4dead and before I had to re download TF2 because my computer derped, I'd changed the Spy uncloak sound effect in TF2 to something more noticeable.

I guess SOE would have to speak on the issue before you know it's 100% fine though, in reference to blizzard I recall one of their GMs coming and clearing up the policy on their forums, he said that he believed that texture packs could cause unforeseen technical problems, in some cases give an unfair advantage (I.e making all Horde ten feet tall and bright pink) and took away from the artists vision. Hence he requested people didn't do it and quoted the EULA which said modifying the game files was illegal.

That being said i'm not sure if they can detect the changes, I had a friend who used texture packs in WoW (race edited Draenei to broken, and his Night Elf to a Naga) and was never banned, Perhaps he was just lucky.

[Flaropri]

Of course I do, I just don't care about their personal image if it doesn't suit my tastes.

Which I'm totally cool with, but you seemed to be unable to understand why people who bought cosmetic items would want others to see them, so I thought I'd ask.

Thing is, if you don't care, is it really important to change how you see them?

No, because those are people I have to deal with in real situations. Their poor choices give me advance warning about what kind of person I'm dealing with.

I don't see how this is any different in a game. If you're prevented from seeing another person's "poor choices" then you get no advance warning. Heck, this is one of the reasons I like the 1st amendment in the US protecting (otherwise peaceful) "hate" speech, it makes it easier to identify people I may not wish to associate with on a regular basis.

I really don't care to be forced to see those poor choices in a video game though because I'm not forced to interact with any of them if I don't want to.

And you're not forced to interact with people in reality either. You might have more tools to filter digital noise than direct sound-waves, but if someone picks a fight with you in PS2 you're forced to interact with them as you would be in real life. If someone wants to try and talk to you, it's the same, you can ignore them or otherwise avoid them in real life just as you can in a game. The consequences can be different depending on the situation but the basic principle is similar.

I'd rather be able to scrub the game of those things I think are stupid and have it fit my idealized vision of what the game should look like, which is largely the same vision Planetside 1 had: faction colors and no stupid accessories / camos / hats.

And many, many other people would rather show off their "cool" and "fun" (at least in their view) custom jobs and not have the things they pay for be (partially) removed, and thus lose value (again, at least in their view).

It's not so much about forcing people to see poor fashion, as it is about preventing unnecessary censorship. At least that's my view on it.

[GreatMazinkaise]

That being said i'm not sure if they can detect the changes, I had a friend who used texture packs in WoW (race edited Draenei to broken, and his Night Elf to a Naga) and was never banned, Perhaps he was just lucky.

WoW doesn't use Punkbuster, which as I understand it is quite capable of screenshotting you in-game to check for overlays if desired, so I imagine that it'd be a bannable offense.

[Otleaz]

You can edit your files in LoL so you don't see other player's skins as well.

[LostAlgorithm]

Which I'm totally cool with, but you seemed to be unable to understand why people who bought cosmetic items would want others to see them, so I thought I'd ask.

I understand perfectly, I just don't agree that it should matter if everyone else can see them or not. The people who do want to see them, the only people who really matter, won't use an option to turn it off so they lose nothing.

Thing is, if you don't care, is it really important to change how you see them?

I don't care about their fashion sense but I do care about the game looking the way I want it to. It's really not that different than what they want except I don't get an option to play it my way. And the way it has been proposed we could both play our way and have zero effect on the other.

And you're not forced to interact with people in reality either. You might have more tools to filter digital noise than direct sound-waves, but if someone picks a fight with you in PS2 you're forced to interact with them as you would be in real life. If someone wants to try and talk to you, it's the same, you can ignore them or otherwise avoid them in real life just as you can in a game. The consequences can be different depending on the situation but the basic principle is similar.

Wrong. The circumstances are different. If you're working say a customer service job, you cannot realistically ignore or avoid someone who stands out as an idiot to you. If you have to work alongside someone you dislike, it's not as simply as /mute to avoid having to deal with them.

And many, many other people would rather show off their "cool" and "fun" (at least in their view) custom jobs and not have the things they pay for be (partially) removed, and thus lose value (again, at least in their view).

And all I'm saying is that their view is wrong. If someone doesn't want to see your custom skin job, then if they can't see it you lose nothing. There is no value to lose. In fact, there is only value to be gained by the developers through having another source of income and an overall happier playerbase that feels their individual tastes are more catered to.

It's not so much about forcing people to see poor fashion, as it is about preventing unnecessary censorship. At least that's my view on it.

Please, this is not censorship. Those who enjoy skins are not effected in any way. Asking for the option to opt out of something while letting everyone else continue on as if nothing changed isn't censorship. It's like complaining that people who choose to live out in the country are censoring those who live in the city; it makes no sense.

[Nephilimuk]

whats the point of buying it if other people can turn it off?

[Vancha]

whats the point of buying it if other people can turn it off?
Because if the skins look half decent, the vast majority of people shouldn't be paying money to turn them off.

[MrKWalmsley]

So you want to pay to restrict what other people have paid for? If I pay for camouflage to hide a bit better I don't want someone to be able to make that payment utterly nullified, and cause me to have wasted my money because of their actions.

[Vancha]

So you want to pay to restrict what other people have paid for? If I pay for camouflage to hide a bit better I don't want someone to be able to make that payment utterly nullified, and cause me to have wasted my money because of their actions.
I swear, this thread is just a repetition of the same non-points.

Read the first post of the thread. The very first post.

[Airanuva]

I swear, this thread is just a repetition of the same non-points.

Read the first post of the thread. The very first post.

You can't pick and choose which skins you don't want. It's a switch. Either all or none.

Say there is a ceiling light with two light bulbs. One is too bright, while the other is just right. You can't choose which bulb to turn off with a light switch, you'll just turn them both off.
If you want camo, you need all skins active. If you don't want to see the skins, you can't have camo. Simple as that.

[MrKWalmsley]

I swear, this thread is just a repetition of the same non-points.

Read the first post of the thread. The very first post.

And this whole thread is clearly satire. Ever seen a serious thread with such an outrageous idea where throughout the whole thing the OP doesn't even explain why?

[Psi]

This whole thread is an exercise in redundancy.

I can guarantee you that SOE isn't going to screw themselves over by offering this as an option.

[Baneblade]

I don't understand why you and the others feel so adamant about forcing your poor taste upon others who really don't care to see it. You won't even know they can't see the skins you bought.

Because my poor taste is going to be entirely about making it that much harder to kill me. Which is the real reason you guys want to be able to turn it off, so you don't get derped by the guy blending into the shadows.

[Vancha]

You can't pick and choose which skins you don't want. It's a switch. Either all or none.

Say there is a ceiling light with two light bulbs. One is too bright, while the other is just right. You can't choose which bulb to turn off with a light switch, you'll just turn them both off.
If you want camo, you need all skins active. If you don't want to see the skins, you can't have camo. Simple as that.
How do you know this?

[GreatMazinkaise]

Because my poor taste is going to be entirely about making it that much harder to kill me. Which is the real reason you guys want to be able to turn it off, so you don't get derped by the guy blending into the shadows.

As long as you admit that your choice of skins is in poor choice. Bright contrasting colors > "camouflage".

[LostAlgorithm]

Because my poor taste is going to be entirely about making it that much harder to kill me. Which is the real reason you guys want to be able to turn it off, so you don't get derped by the guy blending into the shadows.

Really?

After the OP specifically left out camo, you people still haven't even read the first post to this thread?

Honestly, I guess I'm not that surprised considering the "quality" of your arguments.

[Baneblade]

Really?

After the OP specifically left out camo, you people still haven't even read the first post to this thread?

Honestly, I guess I'm not that surprised considering the "quality" of your arguments.

Except every skin is `camo`. So far as we know. Or are you worried about the devs giving out wife beaters and do-rags?

[GreatMazinkaise]

You can't specifically leave out camo... that's the thing. This is about the milsim nuts wanting to reskin the game in a way that benefits them.

Planetside is a deadly serious silly game... everyone should feel free to put on deadly silly camo or deadly serious clown suits should they choose.

[Vancha]

You can't specifically leave out camo... that's the thing.
Why?

[GreatMazinkaise]

Why?

'cuz that implies that camouflage is in fact P2W... and if that's the case, it shouldn't be in game in the first place.

[Crator]

You can't pick and choose which skins you don't want. It's a switch. Either all or none.

Say there is a ceiling light with two light bulbs. One is too bright, while the other is just right. You can't choose which bulb to turn off with a light switch, you'll just turn them both off.
If you want camo, you need all skins active. If you don't want to see the skins, you can't have camo. Simple as that.

Simple fix, categorize the silly non-beneficial skins and beneficial skins into two separate groups. Now only allow disabling of silly skins, if such a thing exists. <shrug>

[Vancha]

'cuz that implies that camouflage is in fact P2W... and if that's the case, it shouldn't be in game in the first place.

I'm not sure you pay for the ones that make the biggest difference, but I agree that camo - at least that which actually camouflages you - gives an advantage. I'd personally rather non-empire-coloured camo wasn't implemented at all, but I expect that'll be the case.

[Airanuva]

Simple fix, categorize the silly non-beneficial skins and beneficial skins into two separate groups. Now only allow disabling of silly skins, if such a thing exists. <shrug>

If they are beneficial then it's pay 2 win, what they are trying to avoid.

Also, how would you classify the Zebra skin? It is a camouflage. One that only works in tall grass with a color-blind predator, but still a camouflage.
White is also a camouflage in snow, but a hinderence in forests. It'd be silly to be white in a forest, but beneficial in the snow. Would you then disable it based on what continent you're on?

Plus they would lose money on making the silly skins if people don't buy them because people are disabling them. No matter what such a feature would be incredibly stupid of SoE to include.

[Sledgecrushr]

I can see zebra camo being very nice in a dark forest with a snow background.

[Kaos]

Hi, I'm with the self entitlement committee, and I come bearing awards!

[Flaropri]

Please, this is not censorship. Those who enjoy skins are not effected in any way. Asking for the option to opt out of something while letting everyone else continue on as if nothing changed isn't censorship.

Just because a given website still exists doesn't mean that blocking access to it isn't censorship. Likewise, just because an image exists in it's unaltered state doesn't mean that blurring part of it out or something similar isn't censorship.

If I walk around in allegedly tasteless (but otherwise legal) clothing and others "opt out" and choose to see me wearing different clothing that is still censorship (also either impressive eye-wear or psychological issues ;) ).

I will grant though that it isn't being done by an authority, that it is an option rather than imposed. I will also grant that on the scale of things it is relatively inoffensive censorship but...

Even so, I think if people can deal with poor fashion taste (at least according to the viewer) in reality they can deal with it in games as well, and there's enough financial incentive to not discourage cosmetic sales to outweigh whatever small income the discussed option would provide.

It's like complaining that people who choose to live out in the country are censoring those who live in the city; it makes no sense.

Not at all, those are two very different things, and I'm a little confused how you got to this idea. It isn't like they don't see people who live in the city, or pretend they don't exist (or are different from what they actually are) when they run into said people. They might judge them, dislike them, not spend that much time with them etc. but...

I just don't see the parallel.

[Vancha]

Censorship carries far too much weight to be used for something like this, but even on technicality I don't think it would apply, since it's individuals opting-out of viewing something themselves, not stopping others from seeing it too. If someone puts a book in front of my face and I avert my eyes from reading it, it's not censorship (and neither is your clothes analogy, since how is that different from merely refusing to look at you?).

[Flaropri]

Censorship carries far too much weight to be used for something like this, but even on technicality I don't think it would apply, since it's individuals opting-out of viewing something themselves, not stopping others from seeing it too. If someone puts a book in front of my face and I avert my eyes from reading it, it's not censorship (and neither is your clothes analogy, since how is that different from merely refusing to look at you?).

Perhaps you're right, but I still think it would devalue skins too much if the option was there, at least from the business perspective.

I think though, that there is a difference between seeing something and looking away, and not seeing it entirely such that you don't even know it was there, and that it is still an important difference.

[Baneblade]

Well, if you can pay to remove them from your view, you can bet your ass my outfit's... outfit will be the most ridiculous thing ever, because more people will pay SOE not to see them. So I guess it is win win for them.