What can we do to make the community a better place?

[Shinjorai]

First off before i start this, i am not just talking about PSU which is a part of the PS2 community definitely, but i mean the general populace in planetside 2 once it launches. Having played some games with some very bad game communities that had some people with horrible attitudes a multitude of trolls and just outright rude people it got me to thinking. What are some games that have horrible communities and what are some games that have had relatively friendly and helpful communities and what is different about the way the games are settup that makes them different.

So what id like to do here is maybe if everybodys willing, give one bad experience with a game community you had and give one good experience with a game community you had and maybe we can all look at those good gaming communities and figure out what was different about them that drew in a more positive group of people. The reason this is more important than you probably realize is because this game will be totally community driven and if its filled with a majority of rude obnoxious people its going to potentially drive away a lot of players and in the long run I feel that will hurt SOE's sales as well as ruin some fun of the game because of the lack of cooperation.

Im a realist and i realize its not all going to be ponies and rainbows all the time but what im really getting at is maybe we can come up with some in game incentives we could suggest to SOE to help promote a better community maybe they hadnt thought of. Im not really sure off the top of my head what could be done but thats why i started this thread, im sure amongst the populace of PSU theres some good ideas out there we could suggest to ensure the game were going to be playing for hopefully the next many years will always have a healthy friendly helpful community.

One thing I remember hearing from a game i never played much but had a cult following was SWG I remember reading something about a helper system in the game and people would wear a helper tag and assist new people just logging into the game.I think maybe things like that in ps2 would be a great idea. Id also like to say too that i think its really great the way the devs get involved in the community here on the forums for example and actually communicate with the playerbase. I have been into gaming for a many many years and gotta say ive never seen that so i think thats really great and one good thing that leads to a positive community. Im not sure if this should be in the idea vault section or not since what im really asking for is maybe in game and out of game incentives to promote a better community but i figured id post it in the discussion section as more people seem to view this than the idea vault regularly.

So all that being said what are some Ideas to help promote a better community and what differentiates a good community from a bad one in your opinion?

[EightEightEight]

Trolling outside your own outfit should really not be tolerated. You can troll your own outfit cause hey you know those guys they know you they understand the troll.

we defiantly have competition and rivalries but that doesn't say we should not respect each other as people.

I fear when the Battlefield and Modern Warfare communities try to merge with ours that we are in for just lots of trolls.

Granted not all trolls but you know what they say about a needle in a haystack

[Krawanan]

First off before i start this, i am not just talking about PSU which is a part of the PS2 community definitely, but i mean the general populace in planetside 2 once it launches. Having played some games with some very bad game communities that had some people with horrible attitudes a multitude of trolls and just outright rude people it got me to thinking. What are some games that have horrible communities and what are some games that have had relatively friendly and helpful communities and what is different about the way the games are settup that makes them different.

So what id like to do here is maybe if everybodys willing, give one bad experience with a game community you had and give one good experience with a game community you had and maybe we can all look at those good gaming communities and figure out what was different about them that drew in a more positive group of people. The reason this is more important than you probably realize is because this game will be totally community driven and if its filled with a majority of rude obnoxious people its going to potentially drive away a lot of players and in the long run I feel that will hurt SOE's sales as well as ruin some fun of the game because of the lack of cooperation.

Im a realist and i realize its not all going to be ponies and rainbows all the time but what im really getting at is maybe we can come up with some in game incentives we could suggest to SOE to help promote a better community maybe they hadnt thought of. Im not really sure off the top of my head what could be done but thats why i started this thread, im sure amongst the populace of PSU theres some good ideas out there we could suggest to ensure the game were going to be playing for hopefully the next many years will always have a healthy friendly helpful community.

One thing I remember hearing from a game i never played much but had a cult following was SWG I remember reading something about a helper system in the game and people would wear a helper tag and assist new people just logging into the game.I think maybe things like that in ps2 would be a great idea. Id also like to say too that i think its really great the way the devs get involved in the community here on the forums for example and actually communicate with the playerbase. I have been into gaming for a many many years and gotta say ive never seen that so i think thats really great and one good thing that leads to a positive community. Im not sure if this should be in the idea vault section or not since what im really asking for is maybe in game and out of game incentives to promote a better community but i figured id post it in the discussion section as more people seem to view this than the idea vault regularly.

So all that being said what are some Ideas to help promote a better community and what differentiates a good community from a bad one in your opinion?

I think every game has it's nice people and trolls, but if you really want a great community, you have to look at cult games like SWG as you said.

but i think the ps2 community also comes pretty close ;)

[Littleman]

Not being a dick and ostracizing real dicks is about all you can do. Unfortunately some people will always be dicks.

Some symptoms of being a dick include:

-Elitism and over-bloated ego's.

-"Removing" someone because they're in your way to wherever you're going.

-TKing back instead of letting an accidental shot to the back of your head slide.

-Passing up your fellows when you clearly have the tools to patch up their health or keep them supplied with ammo.

-Giving newbs or "bads" a mouthful when they're doing poorly. Advise, and then move on, especially if they talk back. You can't fix stupid, and trying to will only make you a dick.

I like playing TR. And really, #4 is more being selfish or lazy, than being a dick.

[nocte]

like above you will always get trolls in any community.

I loved the SWG community when the game 1st began. Another great community I was part of was in DAoC (Dark age of Camelot) when a server forum popped up for Prydwen, and everyone was very helpful as it was the less popular english server.


All you have to do is not feed the trolls as they will move on when they dont get a rise out of the community as that is what they thrive on.

[Pillar of Armor]

It needs to be strongly advertised that you should participate in an outfit and there should be some sort of in game incentive for joining outfits (like the ability for outfits to give resources to new members). Interoutfit ops should also be encouraged to create a strong community.

In eve, alliances were built from multiple corporations (outfits/guilds) and they were the kingpin of the game. Each corp had its specialties and the alliances gave them a purpose and a mission that kept people together and working hard to help each other.

Also, eve had a player run corp called Eve University. It was all about training people on how to play the game. Maybe PSU should put together a team for a PlanetSide University outfit. It would would be a great way to help new players get connected to the community.

Hand picking our community through creating outfits is the only way we can limit troll troubles :P Trolls are unstoppable...

[ChipMHazard]

Well rudeness is probably the thing I've experienced the most in games.
From BF3 where you experience people just bad mouthing others calling them hackers, noobs etc. Following players around via battlelog just to irritate them.
To LoL where you berate others for their lack of "skill", choosen hero and just generally being an intolerant douche.

There's nothing you can do about people getting mad in a competitive game, especially when KDR is made to apparently matter. So personally I would put less importance on stats like KDR and more on team focused stats; healing, repairs, obj. defending/capturing.
Make sure you don't allow players to /who someone.
Try to be helpful to others, either by being tolerant or trying to give advice. I like the idea of ingame helpers as it might help incourage a more friendly attitude towards each other. Just make sure it's a help channel and not something where you have to PM the helpers.
Perhaps allowing chosen players, the helpers?, to upload helpful videos on the PS2 site.
Make sure to promote team play and thus support classes. I'm not really worried about this as they already seem to be putting a lot of focus on support roles.
I do think having factions will help players treat other's from their own faction better, faction pride. Of course players would have to care about their faction.

[Shinjorai]

What if for the helper thing,maybe have like say a helper point system, if you get so many helper points you could trade them for special Shop items or something. What if there was a thing on everybodys profile in whatever PS2s version of the web ap thing will be called like battlelog is in bf3 where you could "thank" or upvote them and get points like that? Maybe a karma system, if it was somebody that was constantly causing trouble u could downvote them or "complain". And have special bonuses and penalties etc.

[zomg]

I think having a good community, especially if it's a large one, most of all requires an excellent moderation team. Problems must be dealt with quickly and actively.

Deliberate trolling, flaming and insults should not be tolerated. Warning system + banning has seemed pretty effective.

Unconstructive discussion should be disencouraged. What is unconstructive is probably hard to define, but especially for obvious cases warnings should be passed out. (obvious eg. insults).

Being rude should also be disencouraged. I would not straight off ban cursing, but deliberately insulting other members of the community should be a case for a warning.

Of course things like this can easily lead into moderator power abuse, but problems like that can be dealt with as well.

[ChipMHazard]

What if for the helper thing,maybe have like say a helper point system, if you get so many helper points you could trade them for special Shop items or something. What if there was a thing on everybodys profile in whatever PS2s version of the web ap thing will be called like battlelog is in bf3 where you could "thank" or upvote them and get points like that? Maybe a karma system, if it was somebody that was constantly causing trouble u could downvote them or "complain". And have special bonuses and penalties etc.

Aye it could work if when you ask for help you get a help log on your personal page, or ingame, where you can up vote the helpers answers.
It should only be possible to up vote, or down vote, someone who has actually helped you as to make sure people don't simply up/down vote their friends/enemies.
Perhaps make it so the helpers can click on a player's name in the help chat and specifically give them an answer. To make sure you don't get up/down voted for something you weren't proving help on.
But yeah I like the idea of that.

I think having a good community, especially if it's a large one, most of all requires an excellent moderation team. Problems must be dealt with quickly and actively.

Deliberate trolling, flaming and insults should not be tolerated. Warning system + banning has seemed pretty effective.

Unconstructive discussion should be disencouraged. What is unconstructive is probably hard to define, but especially for obvious cases warnings should be passed out. (obvious eg. insults).

Being rude should also be disencouraged. I would not straight off ban cursing, but deliberately insulting other members of the community should be a case for a warning.

Of course things like this can easily lead into moderator power abuse, but problems like that can be dealt with as well.

On this note I do think it's a good thing PS2 will be F2P. From personal experience moderation almost always seem to be rather lax on official sites when a game costs money and or has a montly sub. The whole not making paying customers angry thing.

[Otleaz]

Community is entirely on the shoulders of the developers, not the players.

A good community is a tight-nit community.

Actively discourage changing names and switching servers, and make it easy for players to recognize each other. Give them plenty of places to see each other names, and give them the ability to publicly denounce other players.

Players should want to get on the good side of others. Being denied access to a squad should hurt. Give players xp bonuses that can only be given to other players they meet.


That is pretty much a rough list of everything that came to mind.

[Doxy]

We need more Vanu to make this community a better place =]

[Shogun]

the big thing that will help ps2s community is the fact that we have three factions and have to stay (more or less) with the faction of choice.

most trolling will be against the other factions. and this even adds to the fun! i totally love the smacktalk that is going on here all the time.

just make sure that the dicks trying the game choose the faction that is exclusively for them, the VS ;)

the other thing that helped the ps1 community, was the fact that ps1 was not meant to be a game for kids. kiddys who managed to get a creditcard from somebody to play the game, transformed into great players or left the game immediately because it was too complicated.
this will not be the case with ps2 :(
any dick can play the game and have fun with it. this is bad for the community, but good for population.

[HeatLegend]

There isnt much one can do for a better community other than being nice yourself and setting standards. Trolling can be fun around your friends but should be done lightly to people you don't know. Be nice and helpful to people of your own team, even if you dont know them, and obviously dont be a total douche to your enemies, but rivalry in forms of light insults and boasting is always fun.

That's all you can do, be nice and others will be nice. Even if you play and just meet idiots time after time doesn't mean you need to follow their example.

[zomg]

most trolling will be against the other factions. and this even adds to the fun! i totally love the smacktalk that is going on here all the time.


I think it should be disencouraged in more "official" boards or threads. Although it's occasionally fun, I find it extremely annoying when trying to read a discussion about something and then half of the posts are just replies to faction trolls.

Fine in more "relaxed" areas like The Lounge though I think.

[Shogun]

the only thing we can do is DON´T FEED TROLLS!

except for the friends you know, of course.

be friendly to noobs and teach them what they need to know. most noobs will love this experience and when they know the game, they might act the same.

[GreatMazinkaise]

Try growing thicker skins across the board and stop treating a PvP MMO like it's a bloody group therapy session. In the end, everyone would be better for it.

[Tatwi]

As an example of where the community could improve:

Stop doing things like jumping down people's throats for mentioning BFRs. Yesterday I saw at least 100 BFRs. A lot of people do like them and if you don't, well, good for you. There's no need for you to be an asshole towards everyone else who does like them. By all means, feel free to explain why you don't like them, but beyond that: Suck it up Sista and move on!

Different strokes for different folks. Respect and embrace that concept and things will be a lot more pleasant in the community.

[Carnage]

With TK being on permanently, I could see TKtrolls being a real pain in the ass... needs to be an in-game reporting system, if one person gets to many reports, they ban or account closure could happen.. but sadly with a free game, they can just make another account...

[Shinjorai]

With TK being on permanently, I could see TKtrolls being a real pain in the ass... needs to be an in-game reporting system, if one person gets to many reports, they ban or account closure could happen.. but sadly with a free game, they can just make another account...

Yeah i really hope they have some system in place to prevent that kindve thing. The multiple account griefing i mean.

[Otleaz]

I want to reiterate:

If they allow easy server transfers, there will be no such thing as community in this game. You will have friends and outfits, but that is about it.

A proper community would be difficult with the 6,000 player servers, having a 100,000 player community just won't be feasible.

[julfo]

How can we make the community better? Hmmm... well, for a start, we can get rid of some ridiculous preconceived notions:

1) Not having played Planetside 1 means that you a) are less of a person, b) don't deserve to have your opinions listened to, and c) are less worthy to play Planetside 2.

2) Having played another modern First Person Shooter means that you a) are less of a person, b) are an idiot, c) are automatically a BAD FPS player, d) your opinions are worth less, and e) have less of a right to play Planetside 2.

3) Not having read EVERY SINGLE BIT OF DOCUMENTATION about Planetside 2 means you a) are a fool, b) an idiot, and c) less entitled to play Planetside 2.

4) Not wanting to pay for a game or part of a game (customizations, for example) makes you a) cheap, b) less of a person, c) have worthless opinions, and d) less welcome in Planetside 2.

etc.

I've introduced a couple of people to Planetside 2. On the whole they have been extremely impressed. The community is what has let it down more often than not, which is both surprising and worrying as this is what half the appeal of Planetside (1 & 2) is; the large playerbase. And the worst thing is that on occasion it hasn't just been the general populace, but also people in higher positions acting like utter dicks.

Perhaps this is a start on where the community could improve.

^ This from several new peoples perspectives.

[Zar]

How can we make the community better? Hmmm... well, for a start, we can get rid of some ridiculous preconceived notions:

1) Not having played Planetside 1 means that you a) are less of a person, b) don't deserve to have your opinions listened to, and c) are less worthy to play Planetside 2.

2) Having played another modern First Person Shooter means that you a) are less of a person, b) are an idiot, c) are automatically a BAD FPS player, d) your opinions are worth less, and e) have less of a right to play Planetside 2.

3) Not having read EVERY SINGLE BIT OF DOCUMENTATION about Planetside 2 means you a) are a fool, b) an idiot, and c) less entitled to play Planetside 2.

4) Not wanting to pay for a game or part of a game (customizations, for example) makes you a) cheap, b) less of a person, c) have worthless opinions, and d) less welcome in Planetside 2.

etc.

I've introduced a couple of people to Planetside 2. On the whole they have been extremely impressed. The community is what has let it down more often than not, which is both surprising and worrying as this is what half the appeal of Planetside (1 & 2) is; the large playerbase. And the worst thing is that on occasion it hasn't just been the general populace, but also people in higher positions acting like utter dicks.

Perhaps this is a start on where the community could improve.

^ This from several new peoples perspectives.
I think if your a fun loving person and teamwork loving player where you come from or what you played before realllly doesn't matter. if you're a dick people treat you as such if you love playing game's and building a fun long lasting game we have cake and would be happy to share and welcome you to a fun and hopefully successful game. what kind of put's people off from the ps1 community is that people from bf or cod come in and say we should do all of their mechanic's and non of ours from ps1 granted ps1 is oolllllldddd we didn't even have head shot's that's a welcome new mechanic that ps1 did not have the ps2 will. and a lot of new mechanic's are already in the game so either way its a new world and I am sure there will be room for everyone to kill maim and destroy each other with bullet's aircraft and tank's instead of bad mouthing each other on the forum's and I've done it to and its not good I agree. I am not a fan of bf3 or black ops evil game's imo but that's a point of view nothing more.

[EightEightEight]

Invite better players.

how do you know they are better players BEFORE you invite them?

[HenchAnt]

any dick can play the game and have fun with it. this is bad for the community, but good for population.

I disagree. New, motivated player influx keeps the playerbase from becoming an incestuous bunch of elitist grognards, who spend more of their time rambling about the good old times and grumbling about the current state of affairs. ;)

But to get to the beef: A working game community is simply a bunch of players that are working together towards a "common" goal. (Yes, cheap pun ;) )
Basically, that means people are shaping an environment they actually like to hang out in.

In gaming and club environments, it most often comes down to:

- Invest in beginners. People who are grateful to "the community" will more often than not give back to "the community" later on. Being welcoming and helping people with their first steps goes a long way.

- Deal with troublemakers. There's only so much the playerbase can do here with talk alone. In the end, game moderators will have to deal with the intractable cases. Personally, I would love some ingame system to negative vote disruptive people. When auto-ignoring people with a certain amount of negative votes is an option, then trolling looses most of its attraction.

- Communicate. Don't let problems grow into conflicts. That's the most obvious and the hardest part. ;) Wether its communication between devs and players, or between players of the same faction or between factions: It has to be done continously to build trust and defuse problems early. Actually, among gaming communities, the Planetside crowd here is top notch.
But, as much as I like the inter faction rivalry, it complicates things. Planetside1 was a prime example with respect to the faction weapons. The Planetside forum was full of cries to nerf the other empires weaponry. This whining really dominated forum communication and created quite a bit of bad mood. Lets hope, that with Planetside2, there will be more to talk about than the nerf/imba whining that dominates so many MMO communities.

- Dream. What currently makes the Planetside2 community so outstanding is the dream of what Planetside 2 should be. That's what gives the current discussions their enthusiastic, visionary drive. And that's what drives events like Planetside Day. When actually being able to play Planetside2, some of that will dwindle, of course. But the more of that spirit prevails, the better for the community.

- Work. A lot of gaming communities are busy to just demand stuff from the developers. Nerf this, implement that. While feedback is justified, what really makes a game's community outstanding is when it starts to take things into its own hands. One of the things players want from planetside are massive, epic, cinematic fights. And while Sony gives us the toys, its up to us players to organize this. Coordinating ones own faction to give an entertaining, visually stunning performance is a first step. One next step could be to return this favour to the other factions - for example by recording their finest hours.

One of the things that define the Planetside community is the faction mindset. WoW community has a fraction of it, and the Eve community never really managed to develop something similar, despite the great faction backgrounds.

With the influx of more players from other game backgrounds (for example random 32 player matchs with a "everybody for themselves in a random team" attitude), community talk might be reduced to "the other factions imba gear ruins my personal K/D ratio". Or we can foster a spirit where even Barneys and Elmos have their place - because an epic war game requires epic opponents. :D

It's up to us.

[BigBossMonkey]

Best thing we can do is not be elitist douchebags to the new people who are not veterans to PS1.

We should teach them how to play and work with others, but never mock them. My outfit has one rule, "Don't Be A Dick", that should be the community rule.

[OnexBigxHebrew]

I'm actually a fan of the moderation style in the sherdog.com MMA forums.

The forum is meant for all MMA discussion, but you get banned/deleted threads for 'Fighter bashing'. It sounds crazy in a fighting forum, but it works to keep good discussions going, because you don't have to hear "GSP is a twat", etc all the time. Instead, you generally have people discussing the sport and fighters in a less flame/troll way.

I think a similar system could help here, and make it anti-'game bashing'.

For example:

Acceptable: "I'm not really a fan of Battlefield's so-and-so system, I fell it limits play in a negative way" or "I feel planetside 1's systems are a little dated, and that a less modern and immersive feel would hurt PS2. Here's why."

Not acceptable: "BF3 is for terrible players and only clowns touch ADS, the developers about that game don't give a fuck about anything but money, etc" or "PS1 is for quake loving vets who suck ass at modern shooters, and love their pew pew shit baby weapons and super-speed, that game is ass".

I don't think infractions should be limited to name calling and whatnot, as there definately seems to be a lot of distracting shit talk in the main discussion area. Myself and everyone else included. Maybe a stricter system would allow vets to still feel like they're at the heart of the community, and make new players feel a little more welcome.

All games, new and old, have something to offer for PS2.

[fvdham]

Some of the arena players will probably be angry about "kill stealing".
They need to understand that PS is a war game and not a duel.
Also how else am I supposed to get kills?

[EightEightEight]

Force them to take an IQ test and only allow 130+. Also make them run a marathon and see how far they get. Then throw them out of an airplane with a parachute, but don't tell them how it works. If they're still alive, then they're accepted.

I am ok with this

I'm actually a fan of the moderation style in the sherdog.com MMA forums.

The forum is meant for all MMA discussion, but you get banned/deleted threads for 'Fighter bashing'. It sounds crazy in a fighting forum, but it works to keep good discussions going, because you don't have to hear "GSP is a twat", etc all the time. Instead, you generally have people discussing the sport and fighters in a less flame/troll way.

I think a similar system could help here, and make it anti-'game bashing'.

For example:

Acceptable: "I'm not really a fan of Battlefield's so-and-so system, I fell it limits play in a negative way" or "I feel planetside 1's systems are a little dated, and that a less modern and immersive feel would hurt PS2. Here's why."

Not acceptable: "BF3 is for terrible players and only clowns touch ADS, the developers about that game don't give a fuck about anything but money, etc" or "PS1 is for quake loving vets who suck ass at modern shooters, and love their pew pew shit baby weapons and super-speed, that game is ass".

I don't think infractions should be limited to name calling and whatnot, as there definately seems to be a lot of distracting shit talk in the main discussion area. Myself and everyone else included. Maybe a stricter system would allow vets to still feel like they're at the heart of the community, and make new players feel a little more welcome.

All games, new and old, have something to offer for PS2.

this is also what I think, it's ok to say something is bad if you can explain your view. I used to moderate a graphic design forum back in the day. The main posts we deleted were "Uggg that's terrible back to the drawing board" and "I like this amazing work" now you might ask why the second one. Well the reason is because they don't explained WHY. Everyone is trying to have a discussion you need to explain the why on your stance to do that if you do not then you are stopping the conversation/discussion from continuing.

[basti]

Rather simple:

Be an awesome community just as we are now, and ban the fools asap. Just get rid of them completly right away, before they can do damage.

[Xaine]

Its a free to play game.

The general community is going to be awful.

Sorry, that's just how it goes.

Get into an Outfit and ignore the public chat, luckily you don't really interact with too many people in Planetside on a 'talking' level.

[Otleaz]

Its a free to play game.

The general community is going to be awful.

Sorry, that's just how it goes.

Get into an Outfit and ignore the public chat, luckily you don't really interact with too many people in Planetside on a 'talking' level.

Free to play has nothing to do with it. That is like complaining about a papercut while your hand is broken.

[basti]

Its a free to play game.

The general community is going to be awful.

Sorry, that's just how it goes.

Get into an Outfit and ignore the public chat, luckily you don't really interact with too many people in Planetside on a 'talking' level.

Nope

It has nothing to do with the kind or format of the game. It really all depens on the existing community.

If people get greeted nicley, and find a awesome, helpful community, then most want to be part of it. If a troll appears, kill him before he lures other trolls.

If your community already went to shit, then nothing can really help you. So, we really have to be on our toes and dont slack, otherwise its gone.

Sadly, forumside 2 will be the craphole of the PS2 community again. Unless the SOE mods stop being light, and just smite! :>

[Sephirex]

If the community is absolutely terrible, I'll do what I always do and stick close to my friends and ignore the rest.

They're all just targets, either for me or the enemy.

[Otleaz]

If people get greeted nicley, and find a awesome, helpful community, then most want to be part of it. If a troll appears, kill him before he lures other trolls.


That is secondary. You need to accommodate something like that first.
How is a player supposed to be enthusiastic about joining a community when he knows he will probably never see the awesome and helpful people again?

If you aren't limited to one server, the community will fall into the category that reddit or 4chan are in.

[Policenaut]

I know I'm in the minority here, and it's unlikely that it will ever happen, but I love volatile communities who hate each other. It makes it all that much more satisfying when you're in the game killing each other, or constantly trying to 1-up your rivals on the same faction.

[GreatMazinkaise]

Since when did gaming communities trade:

I know I'm in the minority here, and it's unlikely that it will ever happen, but I love volatile communities who hate each other.

for:
If people get greeted nicley, and find a awesome, helpful community, then most want to be part of it.

Grow a spine; if you don't like being the punching bag of the elites then join them. Hate builds stronger bonds than all this fake feel good nonsense.

[Otleaz]

Grow a spine; if you don't like being the punching bag of the elites then join them. Hate builds stronger bonds then all this fake feel good nonsense.

It is way too played out. So many games nowadays have shitty communities that it is getting old.

It makes you crave the good ol' days where you would exchange compliments, kill bad guys, pat each other on the back, and go home and romp.

[Sirisian]

I think directing players to outfits and giving players easy ways to communicate and form friendships will go a long way. The voice system I believe was a huge step for creating a community. If we can get some local chat going it would be even better. I can't tell you how many times I can't find the quick yell for "there is a TR on the other side of that tree... you are going to be mauled if you run at it".

On that note, giving players ways to support one another is a big part of it. You can't discredit how much gameplay affects whether players work together. In PS1 you had players healing each other randomly which was a nice touch. We need a lot of those symbiotic relationships. I'm part of the group of Planetside vets that plan to ramp up TTK during beta so players can work together more like in PS1 and it's less about solo play.


If they allow easy server transfers, there will be no such thing as community in this game. You will have friends and outfits, but that is about it.
I was under the impression people are referring to outfit communities like in PS1. Unless you played a ton you probably weren't going to know everyone on your server. I didn't know any of the enemy names other than their outfits since I'd see squads of them. As long as large outfits stay centralized I'm fine. What the zerg does is not really important in a F2P title. It might be kind of condescending but most of them are going to be unnamed cannon fodder.

[GreatMazinkaise]

It is way too played out. So many games nowadays have shitty communities that it is getting old.

It makes you crave the good ol' days where you would exchange compliments, kill bad guys, pat each other on the back, and go home and romp.

Maybe it's one of those things that just doesn't scale up well.

[Broadside]

As long as this community isn't like LoL, I'd say we're on the right track.

[RSphil]

be nice to others. answer question if you can and help anyone who needs it. in short dont be the normal trolling prick you get in most mmo's

[julfo]

I think if your a fun loving person and teamwork loving player where you come from or what you played before realllly doesn't matter. if you're a dick people treat you as such if you love playing game's and building a fun long lasting game we have cake and would be happy to share and welcome you to a fun and hopefully successful game. what kind of put's people off from the ps1 community is that people from bf or cod come in and say we should do all of their mechanic's and non of ours from ps1 granted ps1 is oolllllldddd we didn't even have head shot's that's a welcome new mechanic that ps1 did not have the ps2 will. and a lot of new mechanic's are already in the game so either way its a new world and I am sure there will be room for everyone to kill maim and destroy each other with bullet's aircraft and tank's instead of bad mouthing each other on the forum's and I've done it to and its not good I agree. I am not a fan of bf3 or black ops evil game's imo but that's a point of view nothing more.

Exactly. Unfortunately, the community just isn't at that point yet.

[Bags]

What if like we were nice.

[SixShooter]

We need more Vanu to make this community a better place =]

^^^This:rofl:

:vsrocks:

Sorry, I can't actually come up with anything thoughtful for this discussion other than I think that the PS2 community, for the most part, will follow the path of the PS1 community simply because of the type of game that it is.

PS1 vets and the PSU community will play its part but there will be a lot more new players this time around (like we weren't all new to it the first time), and as they can keep the hacking to a minimum, we'll see the new community grow into something awesome.

It just seems like there is so much more potential this time around and great opportunities for anyone who wants to take them.