Why the NC and VS hate each other.

[MasterMind]

I was doing a little reading and I started wondering why the NC and the VS were fighting instead of just teaming up and destroying the TR since they were both breakaway factions, and I came across this:


Though the fall of the Terran Republic still remains the New Conglomerate's primary goal, there is no small amount of the group's animosity directed at the Vanu Sovereignty, another cell to have splintered from the regime. It is the New Conglomerate's understanding that the Sovereignty holds alien-influenced views of the human race as a flawed species; one they are attempting to mold into something different–something alien–through genetic modification and experimentation.

Guided by the idea that humanity deserves to be free from outside influences to find its own path in the universe, the New Conglomerate has decided that the Vanu Sovereignty and Terran Republic alike must be stopped for good, and their crimes against liberty brought to an end.

Now this brings up a couple questions for me

1- Why do the NC care what the VS does? Why not just leave them alone and let them do their own thing instead of trying to force their ideals on us?
2- According to the lore, what started the fight between VS and NC? Who fired the first bullet?
3- Am I completely crazy for calling the NC Amish?

I will eventually get around to reading through all the lore but I want some other input

[super pretendo]

VS are religious fanatics
NC will naturally oppose this

[NoDachi]

Because as higby said, they're all cunts, trying to expand their own vested interests.

Anything else is just propaganda.

[Bags]

They hate each other because we are enemies in a shooter.

[Kyros]

I hate the NC because they have no fashion sense. I mean, blue and yellow? Really?

[Tamas]

People like to RP too much.

[NoDachi]

I hate the NC because they have no fashion sense. I mean, blue and yellow? Really?

I agree. Blue/yellow is revolting.

And I can say that, since I'm NC.

[Otleaz]

The NC hate them because they believe what they are doing is dangerous... Though starting a world war because you don't want to pay taxes and want to go out at night is also pretty dangerous.

The VS fired the first bullet, but it can easily be argued that they did it to protect themselves. Waiting for either the TR or NC to make the first attack after they had gained power would only make things more difficult.

[Bravix]

Because VS tech is far superior to the NC tech. It would hurt the NC's profit margin. It'd be like when the iPod came out and all other cd players and crappy mp3's failed hardcore.

And I hate saying that, cause I really dislike apple. But you get the idea.

[Otleaz]

Because VS tech is far superior to the NC tech. It would hurt the NC's profit margin. It'd be like when the iPod came out and all other cd players and crappy mp3's failed hardcore.

And I hate saying that, cause I really dislike apple. But you get the idea.

That is a pretty terrible example. There were Portable players that were far more advanced than the Ipod when it came out. They just didn't have the entire world under their boot like Apple does.

[Vancha]

I'm pretty sure this is PS1 lore and therefore no longer applies. The only information we have for Planetside 2's situation is that the TR and NC had gone to war and the VS decided they both needed to be destroyed for the world to be saved...or humanity...or something.

Scott shook his head. “We’re not siding with either of them, if that’s what you mean. But we also can’t stay on the side any longer. To save the world that Vanu once ruled, in order for humanity to reach its full potential, we must take up arms and destroy them both. We must eradicate all that stands against us. Today we have declared our Sovereignty, a Vanu Sovereignty. Only one force can live on Auraxis, and it must be us.”

http://www.planetside2.com/news/2012-10loreorigin

I don't think we have any evidence that the TR or NC actually had any desire to hurt the VS, the VS just decided that everyone had to die for the world/humanity to be saved.

[Bravix]

I really don't like they direction they're going with the Vanu. The whole, 'omfg worship aliens, we are cult!" attitude it has is silly. I can understand the other two factions viewing the VS in this way...but for the VS to actually be some silly alien cult isn't much fun. Makes them immoral.

From what I've seen, it looks like the TR and NC are standing up for their ideals while the VS are just throwing a pissy fit cause not everyone joined their cause.

[Tcakes]

what do you mean going with? they have always been a crazy alien cult. just shoot them. in this case it's ok to shoot someone else for being different. no one is going to judge. matter of factly if they are nc shoot them again after they die just cause.

[Badjuju]

Here is a little more detailed answer for you from the vanu page...

"Through the use of the mysterious Vanu technology "procured" during their split from the Republic, the group developed exotic energy weapons to aid them in their cause. In addition, they began experimenting with ways to improve the human body through modification. It was this alteration of the human species that generated great suspicion of and ultimately a declaration of war upon the Sovereignty by the New Conglomerate, another faction which had splintered away from the oppressive Terran Republic and which saw the Sovereignty's modification programs as an affront to humankind's natural progression."

[Otleaz]

"Through the use of the mysterious Vanu technology "procured" during their split from the Republic, the group developed exotic energy weapons to aid them in their cause. In addition, they began experimenting with ways to improve the human body through modification. It was this alteration of the human species that generated great suspicion of and ultimately a declaration of war upon the Sovereignty by the New Conglomerate, another faction which had splintered away from the oppressive Terran Republic and which saw the Sovereignty's modification programs as an affront to humankind's natural progression."

Whoever wrote the lore needs to be fired, because they clearly despise the NC.

[Badjuju]

Whoever wrote the lore needs to be fired, because they clearly despise the NC.

They gave every faction a good and bad side to them, I wouldn't say it is that they hate the NC. The best way to create a 3 faction rivalry is to give reasons for people to be proud of their factions, as well as reasons to despise the others.

[Kitsune]

From what I've read, the Vanu are not an alien worshiping cult or anything, they just wanted to use the alien tech to further humanity. The NC don't like how they research ways to use genetic modification, and think it's an inhuman practice. They think it goes against the laws of nature and humanity.

I'm sure lore wise, you could see a part of the VS be some occult, bowing down to the alien race that they live off of, but you can just as easily see the VS being humble scientists, wanting their creative freedom to research new technology and medicine and new ways to cure things that would have thought to be permanent, like brain damage, paralyzing, etc. They are just put to extremes to protect their dream of that happening, so they are forced to make new weapons for the time being.

Personally I see the VS's fight for freedom to research to be pretty just. Just a lot of people are obsessed with thinking of them as a cult worshiping some advanced alien race. I doubt the whole entire faction is some brainwashed mob thinking about becoming aliens.

But if you wanna ask me, I think no matter what side wins in the end, there will be a civil war later. the VS will have a civil war over complete genetic rewrite, about crossing the line between human and alien. The NC will have a civil war over the new capitalism and plutocracy, as it's not what many people fought and died for. The TR... Well if they win, this whole thing will just start all over again with factions breaking apart from it.

[Neurotoxin]

NC corporate leaders formed the NC because they saw profits in researching the new alien tech that was discovered. NC bosses just wanna profit off VS tech, and are willing to fund and train and arm a military faction to try to reinforce their profit margins. NC sodiers are tools, they aren't fighting for their own freedom, but the freedom to be slaves under the rule of NC executives.

VS don't seek profit, don't seek to have an elite few in control of the vast majority. VS don't seek this technology for any means other than advancing humanity. And the NC and TR wanna kill us for it, even though their respawners are running on our code, our tech, that we can pull the plug on at any time.

[Baneblade]

Because of Vanguard.

[NoDachi]

Because of Vanguard.

hah, pretty much the only reason I'm going NC.

I don't like the new iteration of the magrider.

[Otleaz]

They gave every faction a good and bad side to them, I wouldn't say it is that they hate the NC. The best way to create a 3 faction rivalry is to give reasons for people to be proud of their factions, as well as reasons to despise the others.

Yes, and the good side of the NC is that they are looking for freedom and liberty. What does it say about this supposed freedom and liberty when they try and take it away from others just because they disagree?

Not much thought was put into the lore, unfortunately. I'm not NC so I'm not going to be affected at least.

[NoDachi]

Yes, and the good side of the NC is that they are looking for freedom and liberty. What does it say about this supposed freedom and liberty when they try and take it away from others just because they disagree?

Not much thought was put into the lore, unfortunately. I'm not NC so I'm not going to be affected at least.

I thought the 'good side' of the NC is that they think they're fighting for freedom and liberty. Not if they actually are or not.

Same with how the TR think they're fighting for the good of humanity.

The NC was never designed to be the 'good guys'. And to be fair, its the only complex thing worth mentioning about the otherwise shallow lore is the moral vagueness and hypocrisy that surrounds all this shit. Even in real life.

The honda motorbike has liberated more people around the world than the american tank, yet try telling that to die-hard patriot.

[Pyreal]

The NC are simply close-minded war mongers. They have brought their destruction upon themselves by attacking the Vanu Sov.

[archaonn]

The NC are simply close-minded war mongers. They have brought their destruction upon themselves by attacking the Vanu Sov.

And yet the vanu declared the war against us and the TR, just beacuse they think we are too close minded,meh.

To be on topic, I dont see why the NC and VS hate each other, yea I dont like to lose my human side, but we can all discuss about it. We share a common goal, liberate ourselves from the TR. I dont see why we cant create a better society together, but that wouldnt be fun at all,so I guess we have to kill each other.

And Neurotoxin, you say that we are going to be slaves of the corporations, we know a lot of your soldiers arent scientists, so if your side wins the war, you really think the ones with "more" intelligence will let the others decide about their future?

[Morphic]

They couldn't decide which color scheme was best, so WARRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!

[Dropshockmedic]

To be simple there is no real lore behind it.
When I saw the Stuff why NC and VS would fight each other, I just thought that this is such a artifical reason - because in fact there is no reason!!

" Please keep there, Vanus. We wont shoot at you then, ok? "
" Allright. Its not our problem if you dont want to become cool like us. "

" LOLOLOL, rebelscum spotted. Ready for execution. "

" Oh great ... ... lets just kill them. "


But then the game-mechanics wouldnt work, or even if they managed to balance it and simply give TR as double as much players as the other factions, it really is more interesting if its a 1-vs-1-vs-1 fight.
So that you get to feel a bit more variety in PvP.

I am very sure to join the VS. And I wont look at the NC as my enemys.
Sad that we have to shoot each other too, but in fact I only want to shoot at everything thats red.

[The Loverator]

They hate each other because we are enemies in a shooter.



Well said. ;) :thumbsup:

And thats the only Reason. The "simple" People here, insulting the Vanu out of Fear and Envy in the most twisted Ways,
are most likely Terran Republic Sympathisants. :-PPP




greetings, LV. :wave:

[Baneblade]

And yet the vanu declared the war against us and the TR, just beacuse they think we are too close minded,meh.

To be on topic, I dont see why the NC and VS hate each other, yea I dont like to lose my human side, but we can all discuss about it. We share a common goal, liberate ourselves from the TR. I dont see why we cant create a better society together, but that wouldnt be fun at all,so I guess we have to kill each other.

And Neurotoxin, you say that we are going to be slaves of the corporations, we know a lot of your soldiers arent scientists, so if your side wins the war, you really think the ones with "more" intelligence will let the others decide about their future?

We are doing some regime change in the Sovereignty.

[Dougnifico]

They hate each other because they have to fight for space where their bodies can drop.