I'm not too thrilled about camo options

[Buggsy]

I've been watching videos and it looks like it will be hard on the eyes trying to identify targets. Wouldn't there be allot of friendly fire.

I get that WOW battleground feel when watching the videos, where everyone looks a motley collection of whatevers. Looking at the video, that camo doesn't give me the feeling of being in a faction, being part of a team.

And red, purple, and yellow-blue just looks cooler than desert yellow.

[NCLynx]

FF would hopefully be remedied by them changing friendly names to be green as opposed to the white/nothing above their heads atm.

[Superbus]

I've been watching videos and it looks like it will be hard on the eyes trying to identify targets. Wouldn't there be allot of friendly fire.

I get that WOW battleground feel when watching the videos, where everyone looks a motley collection of whatevers. Looking at the video, that camo doesn't give me the feeling of being in a faction, being part of a team.

And red, purple, and yellow-blue just looks cooler than desert yellow.

You're not thrilled with anything are you? Just from your general forum posts, I would wager that the world's hottest women could strip naked in front of you and you would probably say something like, eh your left nipple is too small not touchin that.

[Bags]

Yeah, all the camos look like ass imo. I won't be using them.

[Coreldan]

Yeah, all the camos look like ass imo. I won't be using them.

I've seen a few good ones so far, but personally I'm probably mostly sticking to NC colors or then camo applied only cery cautiously. I like to represent color :D

[Death2All]

Not too worried about friendly fire as the result of camo. All the empires vehicles and soldier models have very distinct silhouettes. One thing I find weird is how a camo pattern completely embellishes your factions primary colors. I think the camo pattern should still have the majority of your empires primary colors, instead of just being swamped with green camouflage.

[Buggsy]

And if the tank headlights is an option people will eventually turn it off, too easy to spot from the air.

You're not thrilled with anything are you? Just from your general forum posts, I would wager that the world's hottest women could strip naked in front of you and you would probably say something like, eh your left nipple is too small not touchin that.

*sigh* dude. Just say, "I like the camo and disagree with you." Wouldn't that have been easier?

[rTekku]

Hopefully the paid camos will be better. The default ones suck.

[Buggsy]

Everyone wants to be a special little snowflake.

The only changes you should be able to your armor look is squad decals.

[Winfernal]

Hopefully the paid camos will be better. The default ones suck.

How can standard camo's "suck"?

OP:

Faction pride/faction colours?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=_dcfjVnLrgQ#t=1453s

See how the classical TR colour remains? Yeah. If you can't spot an NC from an TR by this... well, it's not the camos fault.

[TechTBW]

Originally Posted by Buggsy
I've been watching videos and it looks like it will be hard on the eyes trying to identify targets. Wouldn't there be allot of friendly fire.

Friendlies have tags over their avatar. Enemies do not. Shoot people without tags hovering above them.

[Sabot]

Meh.. If you don't like them, don't use them. The crazy camo patterns are there because some people will like them and will want to buy them. It'd be pretty dumb of SOE not to have them, when it's stuff like that they'll be making money off of. Even if most don't like them, it's hardly a deal breaker for you.... so suck it up and deal with it.

[Coreldan]

And if the tank headlights is an option people will eventually turn it off, too easy to spot from the air.


Yes, this will be crucial to gameplay at certain points, however the nights get REALLY dark in PS2 and you wont be seeing much without the headlight. Doesnt even have to be pitch black to miss that rock in front of you and crash into it without the headlights.

[Buggsy]

Yes, this will be crucial to gameplay at certain points, however the nights get REALLY dark in PS2 and you wont be seeing much without the headlight. Doesnt even have to be pitch black to miss that rock in front of you and crash into it without the headlights.

crank gamma up :P

Meh.. If you don't like them, don't use them. The crazy camo patterns are there because some people will like them and will want to buy them. It'd be pretty dumb of SOE not to have them, when it's stuff like that they'll be making money off of. Even if most don't like them, it's hardly a deal breaker for you.... so suck it up and deal with it.

I have a problem with all MMO's. Like in WOW It would have been cool to join an all Gnome guild. It would have been cool to go into a battleground with a bunch of Gnomes vs a bunch of Undead. But oh well, everyone has to be a special little snowflake.

It ruins immersion.

[cellinaire]

Beta board. So, devs will be aware of it eventually.

[Tehroth]

Friendly fire is a must and it makes a difference bringing the skilled players forward. I am hoping they have no naming system unless you hover over the person for a little bit or at the very least no floating names when viewing enemies.

At launch Darkfall online had no party/clan/alliance system so you had to be careful and learn what players are whom. It was chaotic but very fun and rewarded the skillful players.

[Furber]

Not a fan of camo myself, but I'd like to see if they come up with some cool patterns or variations of the standard colors as far as skins go. Like maybe they'd have it PS1 style where you can change from a bluer NC to a more yellow one, or the black and blue. Instead of leveling up to get these, you could buy them from the store.

[Buggsy]

And where's the hallway battles we had in PS1? Like defending the backdoor?

Timestamp: 3:10 (hallway battle)

STAR WARS - Opening Scene - YouTube

[Coreldan]

Hallway battles were a fairly horrible design if you ask me. Thank God the new bases are nothing like the old ones.

[Envenom]

Zebra FTW

[Winfernal]

And where's the hallway battles we had in PS1? Like defending the backdoor?

Timestamp: 3:10 (hallway battle)

STAR WARS - Opening Scene - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p4ovtoLLLrQ)

This has nothing to do with camos...

De-railing your own thread?

crank gamma up :P



I have a problem with all MMO's. Like in WOW It would have been cool to join an all Gnome guild. It would have been cool to go into a battleground with a bunch of Gnomes vs a bunch of Undead. But oh well, everyone has to be a special little snowflake.

It ruins immersion.

Having tactital camouflage in a large-scale war game ruins immersion...

Besides, the faction colours will remain. And if you look at the video i posted, you will see that too.

[TR Oakley]

I don't want camo, I want to cover myself in glowsticks and go full out raveparty on everyones asses.
Why go looking for enemies when I can make the enemies come to me!

[Buggsy]

Hallway battles were a fairly horrible design if you ask me. Thank God the new bases are nothing like the old ones.

PS2 isn't very defense oriented. Bases have wide open entrances everywhere, jumpjets, galaxy spawning, squad spawning.

[Winfernal]

Basti, anyone, close this thread...

It's just pointless when the OP is derailing it himself.

[Canaris]

This picture makes your thread invalid

http://www.planetside-universe.com/media/album/mp52rz6sp6/20120601_4fc93405742c1.jpg

cos the pounder says so :)

[Jonny]

The camo looks good in that picture above, but in alot of the images i've seen of the camo options, the scaling looks wrong. For example on max weapons the detail on the camo is tiny and should be much larger in my opinion.

I hope the devs scale the camo skins up appropriately while keeping the textures high quality.

[Graywolves]

I'm more interested in having a customizable uniform color/shaging/pattern/w,e than preset camo skins.

Still like the camo though.

[Buggsy]

Nice dual flame throwers in MAX hehe.

[ringring]

I've been watching videos and it looks like it will be hard on the eyes trying to identify targets. Wouldn't there be allot of friendly fire.

I get that WOW battleground feel when watching the videos, where everyone looks a motley collection of whatevers. Looking at the video, that camo doesn't give me the feeling of being in a faction, being part of a team.

And red, purple, and yellow-blue just looks cooler than desert yellow.

Camo options are there, it is going to be the way of funding the game so it's in our interest that there are there.

The issue is IFF which is something that was picked up by Ten Ton Hammer in their play test last week (althought I don't like their solution of colours for the tags above characters - let the colours stay the same as in ps1 which worked well).

It's difficult for me to be sure but from the videos I have watches IFF is a problem, however that may be because there are just videos and once you're immersed in-game it's different.

[Ivam Akorahil]

apart from bacon and zebra all the other camos ive seen so far are proper camos for different environment situations, whats the issue ?

[Marinealver]

I am sure the camo patterns would be different for the empires, not to mention that there is still the silhouette distinctivness.

[Sabrak]

I don't like that most of the camo we've seen so far take too much empire color away, actually.

Ok it makes people difficult to spot, which is the purpose of camo, but I feel it's going to make FoF recognition pretty difficult in action.

They really need to either show more empire colors in the camo skins, or find a good FoF identification solution.

[Ivam Akorahil]

FoF indentiffcation are ones eyes and common sense :D

+ if you get yourself into a situation where a friendly is shooting at you because he thinks your the enemy for various reasons, you aswell did something wrong

[Solidblock]

This picture makes your thread invalid

http://www.planetside-universe.com/media/album/mp52rz6sp6/20120601_4fc93405742c1.jpg

cos the pounder says so :)

This was exactly what I was going to post, it's simply amazing. Also, the liberator in one of the videos I have seen either TB or the naughty NDA breaking one had the scheme as that MAX and looked insane.

[Sabrak]

FoF indentiffcation are ones eyes and common sense :D

+ if you get yourself into a situation where a friendly is shooting at you because he thinks your the enemy for various reasons, you aswell did something wrong

Really?

Just watch some of the latest videos with "lots" of players in (like TB vid), and tell me that from a distance or with smoke/dust around you can easily identify who's who.

[Buggsy]

http://www.planetside2.com/news/wisenhut-joins-planetside2

It’s an exciting day for the PlanetSide 2 team! Joining the development team from the world of competitive FPS gaming, Jimmy Whisenhunt brings more than a dozen years of shooter expertise to the world of Auraxis. As a professional FPS player and commentator, he adds a unique perspective that will help make PlanetSide 2 an even more exciting and kickass gaming experience. Here's what he had to say. “Coming to SOE to work on PlanetSide 2 is a huge opportunity to put what I’ve learned from studying what kept FPS games of the past so successful and incredibly fun for all types of players!” You can expect to hear a lot more about him in the future. Join us next week as we learn more about Jimmy and his work on PlanetSide 2.

A "professional FPS player"? Define "professional FPS player". E-sports?

Well that's the problem right there. Gaming companies cater to the wrong crowd. The same people who hop from one beta to another, they all have one play style: tweak tweak tweak.

[Kitsune]

Personally I like the idea of accidental FF. Adds a lot more risk to an uncoordinated combat scenario. Ya, sure, it's very hard to identify who's friend or foe, but that's the beauty of realism gameplay, it just feels that much rewarding when you complete an operation without a hitch.

But if the game/comminity really wants green names or some symbol to identify allies, then I won't complain, just please no red names or symbols above enemies unless engies put down some short range scanner, otherwise infiltrators will be just that much more worthless and ambushes will be non-existent.

[Coreldan]

Also sorta have to remember that in just about all videos this far, the fight hasnt been similar to what it most likely will be at live. The fighting area has either been artificially limited or just encouraged to "fight here" and the ownership keeps changing all the time so in most scenarios this far having anyone actually "defend" or "attack" the base has been quite a fine line, cos it's just been about everyone attacking it :D

With the live service we will actually have fronts and more clear idea on who actually attacks and defends, which also makes deciding whether someone is friendly or foe easier. Sure the people who flank or sneak around will probably still be problematic to tell, but I'd say it's gonna be easier in a real battle rather than one of the these controlled environments.

[EisenKreutzer]

http://www.planetside2.com/news/wisenhut-joins-planetside2



A "professional FPS player"? Define "professional FPS player". E-sports?

As far as I know he's a professional (as in e-sports) CounterStrike-player, and he was brought in to help with weapon handling, recoil, scopes and such.

[Buggsy]

As far as I know he's a professional (as in e-sports) CounterStrike-player, and he was brought in to help with weapon handling, recoil, scopes and such.

No offense but these types of players are.....

Crazy guy - YouTube

Thats good used to be enemy had tags too. Which made wearing camo not as useful. Glad to know no tags.

This would probably be the first FPS game where the uniform of friendlies is going to be radically different. Gonna have to stare long and hard before pulling that trigger. Might give people a headache.

[Buggsy]

You only insulting yourself. Pro players have improved the mechanics of the games you play. You bite the hand that feeds you fun.

No they don't. E-sports players have a completely different play style than normal people.

I'm not too thrilled how Starcraft2 BN2 was designed completely around E-sports. Hey it's a game, try having fun for a second instead of grinding on a ladder nobody cares about.

[TheCaptainC]

I'm not thrilled by your denial.

i dont get it aswell. There is no esports game out there that has bad mechancis , so bringing some of these guys to the project will jsut improve the game mechanics which will give everyone a more fun and rewarding gameplay experience.

[Buggsy]

I'm not thrilled by your denial.

Really, so you don't think E-sports players play differently then normal people huh. Interesting.

i dont get it aswell. There is no esports game out there that has bad mechancis , so bringing some of these guys to the project will jsut improve the game mechanics which will give everyone a more fun and rewarding gameplay experience.

Yeah well not everyone downs 2 six packs of Mountain Dew every 12 hours.

[RageMasterUK]

I think the camo is fine. I love camo. Nothing wrong with it at all, I want to see more camo options, digital, tigerstripe, hex, for all the different environment types. Its a war game. I will be buying the camos. If you dont want camo, dont buy it. Friendlies appear on the minimap so if you FF it really is because you're an inconsiderate idiot =D

MORE CUSTOMISATION CHOICES!!! MORE CAMO!!!!

-RageMasterUK

[TheCaptainC]

Really, so you don't think E-sports players play differently then normal people huh. Interesting.



Yeah well not everyone downs 2 six packs of Mountain Dew every 12 hours.

this guy is no cod player. he comes from a cs background. Cs is one of the best tactical fps games ever realeased, no twitch cod shooter ( what you seem to imply with the mount dew thing) i really dont get your problem here.

[Buggsy]

I got burned out just watching 40 minutes of E3 videos. Between the COD gun recoil, the camo screwing up visual FOF ID, and the constant spawn 5 seconds away from the action with no breaks whatsoever, my eyes sort of got all tired.

[Xyntech]

Wow, self thread derailing. Classy.

The thread starts off talking about a personal distaste for the current camo options we've seen, but seems to have degenerated into OP's laundry list of complaints about PS2.

Incoming lock?

[Carnage]

Everyone wants to be a special little snowflake.

The only changes you should be able to your armor look is squad decals.

clearly planetside 2 is not a game you will be interested in if this is your opinion, and thankfully your opinion on camo you have not had a chance to even use yet months before full release, is irrelevant... and I suspect it will remain so after we know what will make it into the game.

[TheApoc]

its not that hard to tell friend from foe in most cases at all.. ftp needs lots & lots of options

[Goku]

If you guys can't change the subject back to camo instead of a general esports/complain about everything thread this is going to get locked.

[TheDAWinz]

If you guys can't change the subject back to camo instead of a general esports/complain about everything thread this is going to get locked.

Please, lock this troll thread. Its basically HURR I HATE CAMEO, SO IM GOING TO DERAIL THE THREAD.

[Exmortius]

some of the camos are pretty cheesy but to each his own. i'll take my all black spec ops camo plz :P that's all i need. i don't wanna look like a retard in some of the crappy camos i wanna look cool but then i'm TR and we prefer to not look retarded when we are pwning you nc and vs scum :)

[Landtank]

I'm not too thrilled about the existence of this thread.

The return of elfailo! And it is a glorious return.

This thread is bad, and you should feel bad.

I like the camo, I will be buying a lot of it, and I will be killing you from the shadows!

[wasdie]

I think you just need to play it before you can really pass judgement on something like that.

[Turdicus]

Buggsy has always been a stinky poopy head who needs new glasses

[Carnage]

Please, lock this troll thread. Its basically HURR I HATE CAMEO, SO IM GOING TO DERAIL THE THREAD.

yes, thread is just a cry about not liking the camo he has not played yet and various other demands that will not be met due to the fact they would kill a big part of the MMO side, and being an MMOFPS/RPG the entire look how you want thing is kind of important, I think I can speak for 95% of players that the ability to change outward appearance is a must for both cosmetic fun and strategic uses...

I say Lock whinger thread...

and your damn fking right I want to be a pretty little snowflake...

[Vector]

From what i have seen i do hope they alter the camo patterns to use more empire faction colours. Enemys & Friendlys all running around in zebra camo is just asking for problems.

[The Kush]

You're not thrilled with anything are you? Just from your general forum posts, I would wager that the world's hottest women could strip naked in front of you and you would probably say something like, eh your left nipple is too small not touchin that.

Exactly

Can't please everyone

There will always be people who want to complain

[rTekku]

How can standard camo's "suck"?

OP:

Faction pride/faction colours?

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_embedded&v=_dcfjVnLrgQ#t=1453s

See how the classical TR colour remains? Yeah. If you can't spot an NC from an TR by this... well, it's not the camos fault.

Because I think they are ugly? lol

[Warborn]

Yeah, the camo options and stuff are pretty ugly. The regular empire skins look really good, but all the other stuff looks like clown suits.

[SFJake]

Problem I have related to that is from the videos I've seen, I never, ever, ever had a clue who to shoot, who is a friendly, and who isn't, unless a name popped over their head.

That may or may not be entirely related to camo options, but there.

Maybe it feels different in game, but it just bothered me really bad. The worst thing I've ever had to deal with in a shooter, is not ever knowing if what I'm aiming at is an enemy or a foe unless I'm right in his face.

So I'm not thrilled with side-camo options (probably cash only to top it off) making this worse.

[Comet]

I like the camo and disagree with you.

[shadar]

Does it matter if you think its stupid plenty of poeple think that the TF2 hats are stupid but they fund the game. My only posible problem withe the camo is what it could mean for poeples computers if to many diffent cammos get together in one area having to render all the diffent custimization. As for some looking good and some being terable hopfully the reson behind that is that they are trying to resever some of the good stuff for outfits

[Badjuju]

I've been watching videos and it looks like it will be hard on the eyes trying to identify targets. Wouldn't there be allot of friendly fire.

I get that WOW battleground feel when watching the videos, where everyone looks a motley collection of whatevers. Looking at the video, that camo doesn't give me the feeling of being in a faction, being part of a team.

And red, purple, and yellow-blue just looks cooler than desert yellow.

They already stated that they haven't added faction colors to camo which they intend to do, and there will be many more camo options to come. Lets try the wait until were in beta thing before we start criticize every aspect of an incomplete game.

[Landtank]

I personally think this is absolutely awesome:

http://a.yfrog.com/img576/1872/3c1ky.jpg

[Rivenshield]

I personally think this is absolutely awesome:

http://a.yfrog.com/img576/1872/3c1ky.jpg

It looks great... but I can hardly tell he's NC.

[Bittermen]

It looks great... but I can hardly tell he's NC.

Yea bullshit.


Unless your blind.

[Superbus]

It looks great... but I can hardly tell he's NC.

Pretty easy to tell. Only empire with a blue outline, has blocky armor and a blocky weapon. Doesn't seem that hard to me.

[Landtank]

On another note with that screenshot, yay shields on the gate!

[TheDAWinz]

Yea bullshit.


Unless your blind.

Easily half the people are bullshitting so they can grief for the hell of it.

[Rivenshield]

Yea bullshit.

Unless your blind.

/shrug

I'm being honest. There's hardly any blue there.

I understand and appreciate the loving care the devs have put into the differing profiles, but a lot of people cue off color. I'm one of them.

/files away under Wait Until Beta

[fvdham]

Once a certain group of tough killers wear a certain cammo,
that cammo will have a psychological effect to create fear.

Such that a moderate killer wearing such a cammo would
be considered an elite killer and be treated like that.

Similary if a large group of players all wearing the same cammo
would appear, it would enhance the image of organization and threat.

For example, if a very dangerous man would wear a clown suit
(and call him self the Joker) the appearance of several clowns
may cause panic within the ranks.

[Graywolves]

1. eSport isn't a genre. It's a scene that a game can be a part of when it is competitive with spectators enjoying the gameplay of others. The idea that you wouldn't want a professional player to give feedback on a game is ludicrous.

2. Yes it might be difficult to identify enemy. But friendlies all have names over their heads. Enemies and friendlies also have very different silhouettes. It might take some time but you'll problem learn enemy identification soon enough. And if you don't, then just shoot anyone who doesn't have a name over their heads. Looking at the map will also be helpful. See a friendly moving up and around the corner on your mini-map? Might not want to shoot the guy you're about to chest bump into.

[Dagron]

Woah, déjà vu. Some people hate the camos and some like them, can't we just leave it at that? We're clearly not going to reach an agreement on this one.

edit: doh, i shouldn't have left the window open while i took a nap, or at least looked at the time stamp before bumping it. :doh:

[TheDAWinz]

I am too thrilled about the camo options.

[soulsurfsublime]

I like camo and the idea of being able to customize appearance and separate your outfit from other outfits from your faction. I would have paid $60 for this game and another $15 a month to keep playing it. So you can be certain that I am going to be up in the store spending SC to support the game and dev's as soon as its available.

[NexAnima]

If people want to rock out in zebra strips and hearts, let 'em, to each their own. I'm happy as long as they pump out of lot of camo options (which no doubt they will).

[Sifer2]

Yeah the camo just doesn't fit well into the game visually to me. I can't see myself buying any of it, and if there was an option not to display camo I would turn it off cause it looks that out of place to me. The better cosmetics stuff would be actual armor customization. Different style of helmet or chest piece. Though then you run of the risk of making it hard to identify what class the person is if they are not MAX. And possibly straining people's PC's more to render the different looking players.

[Turdicus]

Actually I'm mildly sure that there will be options like those you speak of. The devs have a lot of work ahead of them in terms of balancing these cosmetic options with the gameplay.