PS1 community split with PS2

[Braveliltoaster]

Now I'm not telling people what to do, but I think us PS1 players should try and play on the same server, we know each other, we have been playing with each other for years now and It makes me sad that we will be split up at launch :(

So lets all join the same server and bring in the new game together by shooting each other in the face like good old times :D

[Reizod]

Now I'm not telling people what to do, but I think us PS1 players should try and play on the same server, we know each other, we have been playing with each other for years now and It makes me sad that we will be split up at launch :(

So lets all join the same server and bring in the new game together by shooting each other in the face like good old times :D

I understand and feel your sentiment. However, I want to shoot all the newcomers in the face more. :cool:

[Pella]

To be quite honest, I cant wait to get away from certain people on Gemini.

Werner was such a good place.

[SgtExo]

As a newcomer to the PS universe, I would like to join a server with allot of PS1 vets, just to show them how a real shooter feels :rofl:

[Mirror]

I think it will be a case of wait and see how SOE decide to setup their servers.

If SOE decide to put servers on both sides of the US along with in Europe then most players will go to the server with the lowest ping. Other than that outfits will decide on a server that best suits everyone.

[rTekku]

I can't wait to own all of the cocky veterans.

[Senyu]

PS1 Vets need to be spread out to show the new players how to play the game to its potential and using group tactics. Vets are going to be key examples and leading the new players

[Pella]

I can't wait to own all of the cocky veterans.

Soulja Boy Tell'em, Great youtube chan.

[Mirror]

As a newcomer to the PS universe, I would like to join a server with allot of PS1 vets, just to show them how a real shooter feels :rofl:

I can't wait for the Server 1 > Server 2 discussions again.

Oh and btw Emerald > Werner > Markov :lol:

[Pella]

I can't wait for the Server 1 > Server 2 discussions again.

Oh and btw Emerald > Werner > Markov :lol:

We used to and still do call it Lolmarkov.

[MCYRook]

PS1 Vets need to be spread out to show the new players how to play the game to its potential and using group tactics.
PS1 vets need to get over themselves and their glory days of old. Seriously.

This is 2012. It's a new game. New people will rise to the top, quickly, and you will make new friends and foes, even more quickly. There's no need to cling to the past like that.

[SleepyZombie]

As a newcomer to the PS universe, I would like to join a server with allot of PS1 vets, just to show them how a real shooter feels :rofl:

Hey! A newcomer to the street fighter series is not going to step into the ring with Daigo "The Beast' Umehara and show him what a real fighting game player feels like.

Yous not going to show the vets a thing or two either :lol:

[Landtank]

PS1 vets need to get over themselves and their glory days of old. Seriously.

This is 2012. It's a new game. New people will rise to the top, quickly, and you will make new friends and foes, even more quickly. There's no need to cling to the past like that.

Completely agree, I can't wait to see how this game does. I'm a vet and I want new people to be better than the old people, cause honestly, it wasn't like PS1 took a lot of skill >.>

[Bags]

I can't wait to own all of the cocky veterans.

No offense but if PS2 plays like BF3 which it's shaping up to, gunplay wise, there will be no skillgap between a new player and a veteran.

These modern FPS are designed to be meatgrinders where everyone gets kills and wins.


Sorry to burst ya'lls bubbles regarding "owned PS1 vets", but you do realize we play more games than planetside, right? I've played BFBC2, BF3, MW1, Quake Live, TF2, L4D, etc etc etc since I started playing PS1. We're not going to be "HURR DURR HOW DO I INTO MODERN SHOOTER?" when PS2 releases.

But you can delude yourselves into thinking you're magically going to dominate every vet, if it makes you feel better.

[Doxy]

Can we get all 200 ps1 vets on a separate from everyone server please?
So they can play with each other =]

Jokes aside, not gonna happen.

[Sabot]

Completely agree, I can't wait to see how this game does. I'm a vet and I want new people to be better than the old people, cause honestly, it wasn't like PS1 took a lot of skill >.>

You'd have to define 'skill' then... if you're talking about the gunplay, then no... but leading, and following, are very much a display of skill. Find that outside of arranged clan-matches in any other FPS and tell me it looks skillful. Better yet.. try to apply the general tactics of BF/CoD/CS or whatever in PS. ^^

[Landtank]

You'd have to define 'skill' then... if you're talking about the gunplay, then no... but leading, and following, are very much a display of skill. Find that outside of arranged clan-matches in any other FPS and tell me it looks skillful. Better yet.. try to apply the general tactics of BF/CoD/CS or whatever in PS. ^^

Oh definitely, I meant the shooting aspect of the game. I suspect, and hope, that many vets will get wtfpwned by new players simply because they are more familiar with the gameplay. But the vets will be the ones effectively using vehicles such as the galaxy, liberator, and using classic tactics such as MAX crashes.

[Bags]

I suspect, and hope, that many vets will get wtfpwned by new players simply because they are more familiar with the gameplay.

:rolleyes:

[ShadoViper]

Oh definitely, I meant the shooting aspect of the game. I suspect, and hope, that many vets will get wtfpwned by new players simply because they are more familiar with the gameplay. But the vets will be the ones effectively using vehicles such as the galaxy, liberator, and using classic tactics such as MAX crashes.

Like what is this guy talking about guise? There have been shooters made besides planetside? Woah guys I never knew this nor played anything other than planetside for the past years.

Good logic man

[SgtExo]

Wow, wasn't really meaning the vets are bad at FPS cause they only play PS1. But I would like to see vets realizing that some of their favorite tactics might not work in this game and see what new tactics emerge.

[Landtank]

Like what is this guy talking about guise? There have been shooters made besides planetside? Woah guys I never knew this nor played anything other than planetside for the past years.

Good logic man

You should hear the way some people talk on this forum, and then you wouldn't be so bewildered.

Go look at the ADS vs Hipfire thread, the crouch/prone thread, and any other thread involving any shooter mechanics, and you'll understand.

I also agree with the OP, I want to see what the new players bring instead of vets sticking to their guns.

Hence my point, but I'm not saying you haven't played other games, it just seems that some people haven't.

[Night]

Oh definitely, I meant the shooting aspect of the game. I suspect, and hope, that many vets will get wtfpwned by new players simply because they are more familiar with the gameplay. But the vets will be the ones effectively using vehicles such as the galaxy, liberator, and using classic tactics such as MAX crashes.

Tactics? And here I thought PS1 was about numbers and zerging zerging zerging...

I dont think vets got any advantages in PS2...

[Broadside]

PS1 vets are not the only people who know how to play video games you know...

[rTekku]

Lol all of this stuff about newcomers won't be using vehicles effectively and stuff. I guess people think anyone who didn't play PS1 are just a bunch of fragheads who play nothing but TDM in CoD.

All i'm saying is don't sleep on the newbies.

[Yago]

Oh Jesus H !
I keep seeing "pwned" :(
It's 2012 , can we move on please ?

Yes , well anyway , Werner .
Best ping , great folks and laughs .... and LFS home :)

[Bags]

Go look at the ADS vs Hipfire thread, the crouch/prone thread, and any other thread involving any shooter mechanics, and you'll understand.


Hence my point, but I'm not saying you haven't played other games, it just seems that some people haven't.

You can play modern games and not like prone or ADS. :rolleyes:

[Zar]

As a newcomer to the PS universe, I would like to join a server with allot of PS1 vets, just to show them how a real shooter feels :rofl: well i agree my gun play is not as leet as you are i guess lol. I don't play fair if i see someone better then me ill roll an aircraft or roll a squad on you and beat you with number's all i care about is that point behind you =3. even if you are the best player in the world with 50 kill's and 0 death's you have to reload just like everyone else =3. i just need to throw people at you till you run out of bullet's and take the point when you die =3 and even with that all the kill's you got i still win =3

[Sabot]

Lol all of this stuff about newcomers won't be using vehicles effectively and stuff. I guess people think anyone who didn't play PS1 are just a bunch of fragheads who play nothing but TDM in CoD.

All i'm saying is don't sleep on the newbies.

And all I'm saying is that the ones that already know the pros and cons of said vehicles, and basically only need to slightly adjust to a new game, will have an advatadge. At least in the beginning. Believe it or not... in this game it takes more skill to drive certain vehicles than it takes to shoot and hit with them. Add to that the fact we're used to coordinate whole squads and platoons of tanks/libs/reavers or whatever.... I don't really care how well you can aim then, if you're not prepared for it you'll lose. :D

[Landtank]

You can play modern games and not like prone or ADS. :rolleyes:

You are completely missing the point :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

You can play those games, and not like them, and not play them as much, and not be as familiar with the controls as all the BF3 or CoD kiddies.


:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

[sylphaen]

I see a lot of this "vets" hate and find it kind of misdirected. I'm not quite sure why most vets (i.e. average players) would be worse or better than non-PS1 players (i.e. also average players).

Assuming skill is in limited supply and considering the "vets" population is quite small compared to the total population of FPS players, of course there will be more skilled players coming into PS2 than there were skilled players in PS1.

I'm not sure why a lot of people say "I hope vets get owned", "vets will suck", etc... If anything is certain, it's that "vets" will scatter, drown and disappear into anonymity with the horde of new players coming to PS2. All that will last is memories for vets who lived through the experience of PS1 and forumside. And as a vet, it's good enough for me; all things have an end.

Hating on a group that will disappear by itself is IMO kind of a pointless and shows how those who hate lack hindsight and waste energy into meangless wrongly chosen petty fights.
:)

Here's the real deal: the amount of average new players coming to PS2 will be overwhelming vs. the amount of skilled new players coming to PS2.

If you are a a skilled non-PS1 player coming to PS2, good for you. You are the 5% (of millions).
If you are a a skilled PS1 vet player coming to PS2, good for you. You are the 5% (of thousands).
If you are an average non-PS1 player coming to PS2, good for you ! You will love the scale of the game !
If you are an average PS1 vet player coming to PS2, good for you ! We finally had our sequel !


Talent is rare and if you really believe PS1 players suck vs. other players or vice-versa, it might be a good idea to reconsider and read about statistics.

PS1 had some skilled players like Visigodo:
https://www.youtube.com/user/ultralolocaust

I'm also a PS1 player and that guy would blow me out anyday, anyway, on any FPS game. Why ? Because like most players, I'm just average.

Other games also have skilled players and in the end, I'd just say that most of the people on PSU forums, Twitter, Facebook and Reddit range from terrible to decent.

Wait for beta and if you're any good, your name will take its place.

[p0intman]

how many of us are there? a couple thousand, perhaps?

Yeah, we could all roll on one server. maybe a thread about it on the ps1 forum to coordinate it?

[Crator]

I honestly don't care.... As long as you can get on the same server as your outfits mates, what the hell is the problem? No, PS1 players aren't necessarily going to play the game (when it first comes out) any better then any other player with the same IQ level.

[Rivenshield]

I've been kind of assuming all along that when go-live approaches, we on PSU would have a poll on which server to migrate to, the better to fight alongside old friends and shoot at old enemies.

We are... aren't we? Based on what I've seen during my free month, there can't be more than a couple thousand of us. It'd be an utter shame if we couldn't keep our dysfunctional little community of armored psychopaths intact.

[Badjuju]

PS1 vets need to get over themselves and their glory days of old. Seriously.

This is 2012. It's a new game. New people will rise to the top, quickly, and you will make new friends and foes, even more quickly. There's no need to cling to the past like that.

I don't think he is being cocky or anything. There are allot of people from ps1 that have allot of experience in organizing huge groups with various tactics. I play every shooter and you just don't see that degree of organization in any other game. Sure there will be plenty of new comers that will do great, however the nine years of experience in this type of game cannot be overlooked. There will be PS1 vets who will be crucial to their factions success, especially early in the games life. And I am not saying new comers wont contribute as much. The vets will just help to greatly reduce the clusterfuck zerg, particularly early on, and will be a huge contribution to how quickly new comers pick up on leadership skills as well as tactics.

[sylphaen]

I've been kind of assuming all along that when go-live approaches, we on PSU would have a poll on which server to migrate to, the better to fight alongside old friends and shoot at old enemies.

We are... aren't we? Based on what I've seen during my free month, there can't be more than a couple thousand of us. It'd be an utter shame if we couldn't keep our dysfunctional little community of armored psychopaths intact.

Yes, I think it's accurate saying there's like 1500-2000 active vets left. Maybe 3k or more if you count the non-active ones who have not heard about PS2 yet. One thing to remember though is that this population was spread over Markov/Emerald/Werner by ping/community reasons so it could likely spread out again.

In the end, there will still be PSU to stay in touch and free accounts (or extra characters) to spend some time with old acquaintances.

I stand by this idea: what should happen will happen. And if paths go different ways, there will always be 1st of July, 2013.
:thumbsup:

[DOUBLEXBAUGH]

Originally I was hoping the vets would choose 1 server to play on so I could avoid it, but since there wont be plasma spam and MAXes can be killed with MA rifles, I don't really care where people go anymore.

[wraithverge]

yeah, I think when servers roll live we'll pick one and most will play on it. We wont be better or worse, but just to maintain our communities.

[sylphaen]

I don't think he is being cocky or anything. There are allot of people from ps1 that have allot of experience in organizing huge groups with various tactics. I play every shooter and you just don't see that degree of organization in any other game. Sure there will be plenty of new comers that will do great, however the nine years of experience in this type of game cannot be overlooked. There will be PS1 vets who will be crucial to their factions success, especially early in the games life. And I am not saying new comers wont contribute as much. The vets will just help to greatly reduce the clusterfuck zerg, particularly early on, and will be a huge contribution to how quickly new comers pick up on leadership skills as well as tactics.

Agreed. Transposing it to other communities, it's like for MMORPGs where tight groups already exist. When a new game comes out, they are usually the first ones working on challenging frontier content because their organization/community transfers over.

And yes, it definitely does not mean they will still be the best. Just that they will be up and running faster.

Another example is Sturmgrenadier: they are definitely not the best (as in their players are not worldwide top 10 FPS players) but have been going from game to game and are nevertheless a strong organization that provides a good challenge.

They were in PS1 but existed from way before. If one of their members is around, feel free to share your story since you would know it better.

[MooK]

Emerald for life.

Everyone should just go where they're comfortable, not band together on a single server because we're "veterans."

[sylphaen]

Emerald for life.

Everyone should just go where they're comfortable, not band together on a single server because we're "veterans."

What he said. Basing myself on PS1, if you play on East Coast servers at 2 AM, you'll likely be better off playing on West Coast servers for decent pops.

[Hydra]

I only care about my outfit, I honestly couldn't care less where any of you go.
There's only about 4 users on this forum that I genuinely think are cool people.

Don't give a shit about new people that are coming to PS2.
They are just food.

[Poser]

As a newcomer to the PS universe, I would like to join a server with allot of PS1 vets, just to show them how a real shooter feels :rofl:

Same. i just want shoot like 5 of them with a rocket launcher when they are bunched together in a hallway. Their so-called "tactics" remind me a lot more of 6 year olds playing hockey, than anything useful in a proper FPS.

[Landtank]

Same. i just want shoot like 5 of them with a rocket launcher when they are bunched together in a hallway. Their so-called "tactics" remind me a lot more of 6 year olds playing hockey, than anything useful in a proper FPS.

Just posting here to say, Go Rangers, flames are teh suck D:

[Emperor]

It's pretty disheartening to see the elitism from PS1 vets, especially being that they're a minority in a game that's going to be filled with new players who potentially have a lot to bring to the game. I understand vet status, I understand the pride of 'being there' in a game, and the shared experience of that; don't get me wrong. Still, there's this prevalent self-aggrandizement I keep seeing from vets that's really going to become detrimental to the community as a whole.

Namely thinking that everyone coming into 'your game' is going to be a CoD kiddie, or inexperienced, or won't understand teamwork or how to use vehicles. Again, I get pride--but you guys are really a bunch of small fish in a very, very big pond. SoE is building this up to be comparable to a AAA FPS game--the only difference is scale. I'm not downplaying that; scale is a big thing. But this idea that PS1 vets are the end-all be-all, know-everything-there-is-to-know-about-Planetside-day-1, you guys might be shocked.

PS2 is drawing interest. PS2 is making a lot of FPS players who never took part in the original game sit up and take notice. I'm not saying you guys are gonna get steamrolled, I'm not saying there aren't PS1 vets who aren't good at shooters (traditional or otherwise), but comments like, "I can't wait to shoot all the newcomers in the face," "PS1 vets need to show new players how to use tactics," it's a severe underestimation of what players in other games can do, and have done.

And beyond the argument of "Who is going to own whom," this fragmentation between vets and newcomers isn't something that's good for fostering a community. I mentioned this in Irish's thread. Wanting to segregate yourselves from newcomers is like wanting to stay in the little pond.

Truth is, there are only so many of you. Pride is good to have, but let's be clear: the servers will be awash with brand new people. They're going to come in having various skill levels, various playstyles, and various tactics. The tidal wave of non-PS1 vets this game has been getting attention from are going to hit this game running, and just going to skill up from there. I think veterans are really going to be surprised; right now, you guys are the PS1 vets. You're not PS2 vets. Everyone who jumps in this game on day 1, new to the series or not, they're going to become the PS2 vets. You can either help build a strong community of PS2 vets by not acting like you're the authority on all things Planetside, or you can cling to your elitism while you can, before the game is even in open beta.

Hey! A newcomer to the street fighter series is not going to step into the ring with Daigo "The Beast' Umehara and show him what a real fighting game player feels like.

Yous not going to show the vets a thing or two either :lol:
Daigo isn't unbeatable, and new names routinely place. I'm assuming you're not heavily invested in the fighting game scene and only know Daigo's name because of that 3S vid that's been around since 2006. Daigo got bodied at EVO this year.

You've also apparently never heard of Noah, an EIGHT-YEAR-OLD who took on guys like Chris G at Marvel in EVO 2k11 and Mago in AE this year.

Also, if you WERE invested in the fighting game scene, you'd also know that new blood means a wider range of people discovering new tech, adding new strategies, and advancing the game. Games can be out for YEARS and someone will come up with new technology that changes the landscape. This can apply to every genre, but it's often seen in fighting games. Sometimes a new player has something to teach.

[Bags]

Same. i just want shoot like 5 of them with a rocket launcher when they are bunched together in a hallway. Their so-called "tactics" remind me a lot more of 6 year olds playing hockey, than anything useful in a proper FPS.

you're thinking azure twilight / blue lions, lol

[Rivenshield]

Truth is, there are only so many of you. Pride is good to have, but let's be clear: the servers will be awash with brand new people. They're going to come in having various skill levels, various playstyles, and various tactics. The tidal wave of non-PS1 vets this game has been getting attention from are going to hit this game running, and just going to skill up from there. I think veterans are really going to be surprised; right now, you guys are the PS1 vets. You're not PS2 vets. Everyone who jumps in this game on day 1, new to the series or not, they're going to become the PS2 vets.

I read you loud and clear. Three qualifiers:

1) Vets are going to have sunk several months or more into beta testing. At a civilized minimum, they'll be familiar with the weapons, the map layouts, etc. They'll be extremely valuable as combat tour guides, taking squads of newcomers out on safari where the SQUAD wants to go.

2) You don't need a majority of a given personality type or area of specialty; you merely need a critical mass of them. There's not much resemblance between the original Tribes and PS1, but those early FPS vets who flocked to the Terran banner -- attracted, like a lot of us, to the whole authoritarian/professional military lore -- put their stamp on our empire for all time. That's where the TR foot zerg comes from. That's why we communicate so freely via /shout when coordinating base defense. That's why we still hose down the landscape with bullets, even though we no longer need to beat the lag over a 16K modem.

3) We're accustomed to massive battles and radically unequal fights. Somebody that comes from the friendly-fire-off, autobalanced, run-ten-seconds-to-get-back-in-the-fight world of BF3 is simply going to be a walking bag of XP until they slow down and learn the ropes. We can help them by example, the same as those Tribes/Quake/Doom veterans showed me. They were nice to us. They vacuumed us up into squads and showed us how to move and fight as a team.

We're veterans. We're *soldiers.* We can help. And I intend to try to pass the torch.

[RoninOni]

No offense but if PS2 plays like BF3 which it's shaping up to, gunplay wise, there will be no skillgap between a new player and a veteran.

These modern FPS are designed to be meatgrinders where everyone gets kills and wins.


Sorry to burst ya'lls bubbles regarding "owned PS1 vets", but you do realize we play more games than planetside, right? I've played BFBC2, BF3, MW1, Quake Live, TF2, L4D, etc etc etc since I started playing PS1. We're not going to be "HURR DURR HOW DO I INTO MODERN SHOOTER?" when PS2 releases.

But you can delude yourselves into thinking you're magically going to dominate every vet, if it makes you feel better.

I think he's referring to the sizable PS1 community who AREN'T good at FPS's but did good in PS1 due to it's slower paced, slug out nature...

The same people who post concerns about gunplay in PS2 because it's too "twitchy"

[sylphaen]

It's pretty disheartening to see the elitism from PS1 vets

I'm not sure I agree with this statement. You are just more sensitive to one side of the story than the other. A lot of people just posted how much they want to shoot "vets" and prove them of they are so much better than "vets". I'm not sure how elitism plays out when most vets are NOT elite players and new players will not be elite players either.

All I see is trash talk between people trying to look cool and you should not feel disheartened or judge a discordant group of players based on a few comments.

"vets" include support oriented players, l33t players, bad players, average players, I-only-care-about-vehicle-combat players, trolls, elitists, etc...

I also assume the general population of non-PS1 players to be the same. For instance, support players may come from MMORPG communities. They won't be the best at shooting but they will love playing support.

Some good players will come from BF3; a lot of terrible players will come from BF3.
Some good players will come from COD; a lot of terrible players will come from COD.
etc...

When I read a post that could be summarized as "kekeke vets are scrubs I just want to own them and show them how better gud I am over them", I can't help but realize how stupid such a comment is on many aspects.

At most, this guy who only has average skill will definitely beat vets with average skill. He will make "wawawa Im so good i beat vet" posts without considering there is a skill gap between average players (PS1 or not) and GOOD players. But when he will face someone on a different skill level than himself, hopefully he will learn a lesson.

Not everyone who plays Starcraft 2 is in Master or Grandmaster league. It's the same in PS1, BF3, MW, etc... and it will be the same in PS2.


The whole "PS1 vets vs. new players" issue is non-existant and it's a fallacy to think so. Skill is dependant on players, not games.


(just to be clear, your post was actually decent to read and you put effort into your post, I am referring to previous cavemen 3 ligns posts above)

[Goldeh]

:rolleyes:

It really bugs you that people are basically calling you crap eh?

[sylphaen]

I think he's referring to the sizable PS1 community who AREN'T good at FPS's but did good in PS1 due to it's slower paced, slug out nature...

The same people who post concerns about gunplay in PS2 because it's too "twitchy"

Twitch is as important as positioning and choosing the right fights.

In terms of K/D, bad players in PS1 did as bad as they would do in another game. At least, they stayed in PS1 because they could have fun playing support roles and having a usefulness not entirely related to "twitchiness".

In terms of player personalities, the PS1 crowd was quite diverse and I believe the PS2 crowd will also be diverse. You'll just see the good "twitchy" players on assault and frontlines while support players will tend to stay back more.

A bad player will still always be a bad players. Take all the bronze leaguers in SC2, there is quite a lot of them !

[TheDAWinz]

I have nothing against the new comers or vets, just who i see on this forum and if i don't like them (IE a succession of posts that i see that fucking retarded and want me to bash their face in) Then i will enjoy in destroying them.

[Goldeh]

Personally, I think this thread is a recipe for disaster waiting to happen.

[Hamma]

What we really need is a PlanetSide Universe Server, amirite?

[Sephirex]

I have nothing against the new comers or vets, just who i see on this forum and if i don't like them (IE a succession of posts that i see that fucking retarded and want me to bash their face in) Then i will enjoy in destroying them.

In my book, dumb nonsensical posts get dumb nonsensical answers. We don't troll, we just try to fit into the conversation. :D

[sylphaen]

What we really need is a PlanetSide Universe Server, amirite?

Would you be one of its mods ? Scary stuff !
:thumbsup:

In my book, dumb nonsensical posts get dumb nonsensical answers. We don't troll, we just try to fit into the conversation. :D

Great post !

Hamma, when will get ratings for posts on PSU ?
:)

[OutlawDr]

There different kinds of "vets".

There are the vets that played PS1 a long time ago, but stopped and went on to play other games.

Then there are the vets that are still playing PS1 to this day. And out of those I wonder how many exclusively play PS1 and no other FPS game.

[SleepyZombie]

It's pretty disheartening to see the elitism from PS1 vets, especially being that they're a minority in a game that's going to be filled with new players who potentially have a lot to bring to the game. I understand vet status, I understand the pride of 'being there' in a game, and the shared experience of that; don't get me wrong. Still, there's this prevalent self-aggrandizement I keep seeing from vets that's really going to become detrimental to the community as a whole.

Namely thinking that everyone coming into 'your game' is going to be a CoD kiddie, or inexperienced, or won't understand teamwork or how to use vehicles. Again, I get pride--but you guys are really a bunch of small fish in a very, very big pond. SoE is building this up to be comparable to a AAA FPS game--the only difference is scale. I'm not downplaying that; scale is a big thing. But this idea that PS1 vets are the end-all be-all, know-everything-there-is-to-know-about-Planetside-day-1, you guys might be shocked.

PS2 is drawing interest. PS2 is making a lot of FPS players who never took part in the original game sit up and take notice. I'm not saying you guys are gonna get steamrolled, I'm not saying there aren't PS1 vets who aren't good at shooters (traditional or otherwise), but comments like, "I can't wait to shoot all the newcomers in the face," "PS1 vets need to show new players how to use tactics," it's a severe underestimation of what players in other games can do, and have done.

And beyond the argument of "Who is going to own whom," this fragmentation between vets and newcomers isn't something that's good for fostering a community. I mentioned this in Irish's thread. Wanting to segregate yourselves from newcomers is like wanting to stay in the little pond.

Truth is, there are only so many of you. Pride is good to have, but let's be clear: the servers will be awash with brand new people. They're going to come in having various skill levels, various playstyles, and various tactics. The tidal wave of non-PS1 vets this game has been getting attention from are going to hit this game running, and just going to skill up from there. I think veterans are really going to be surprised; right now, you guys are the PS1 vets. You're not PS2 vets. Everyone who jumps in this game on day 1, new to the series or not, they're going to become the PS2 vets. You can either help build a strong community of PS2 vets by not acting like you're the authority on all things Planetside, or you can cling to your elitism while you can, before the game is even in open beta.


Daigo isn't unbeatable, and new names routinely place. I'm assuming you're not heavily invested in the fighting game scene and only know Daigo's name because of that 3S vid that's been around since 2006. Daigo got bodied at EVO this year.

You've also apparently never heard of Noah, an EIGHT-YEAR-OLD who took on guys like Chris G at Marvel in EVO 2k11 and Mago in AE this year.

Also, if you WERE invested in the fighting game scene, you'd also know that new blood means a wider range of people discovering new tech, adding new strategies, and advancing the game. Games can be out for YEARS and someone will come up with new technology that changes the landscape. This can apply to every genre, but it's often seen in fighting games. Sometimes a new player has something to teach.

:lol: Simply because I make a simple joke and rib some guy using daigo as an example you got all of that? Yeah I know who noah is thank you.... and I follow evo as well. I simply used Daigo's name because he is the most well known.

I am also involved in my community to keep the fighting game genre alive... Next time don't assume you know something about someone simply because they are ribbing a guy on the forums clearly meaning no discontent.

It makes me not like you

[SgtExo]

What we really need is a PlanetSide Universe Server, amirite?

Yes plz :groovy:

[Baneblade]

Our server selection will be based on practicality rather than sentimentality.

[Loco]

The players that come out on top are going to be those that work together as a team. Be them BF3 COD or PS1. If the team works together they can overcome a lot.

In PS1 I've seen a squad of 8 hold a base vs up to twice their number, possibly more. They did it through team work and having a clear command structure.

You can get that in any game. Heck even some Wow guilds that are that organized could probably do well in PS2.

[Hydra]

What we really need is a PlanetSide Universe Server, amirite?

and if you thought elitism here was bad, wait till you try out this server :P~

[LightningDriver]

I'm going to do what I always do, pick the server with the cool name. I hope I don't regret it.

[Graywolves]

I'll probably just roll on Emerald again when it comes around.

[Emperor]

(Rivenshield, I abbreviated some of your bulletpoints)

I read you loud and clear. Three qualifiers:

1) Vets are going to have sunk several months or more into beta testing.

2) You don't need a majority of a given personality type or area of specialty; you merely need a critical mass of them...That's why we communicate so freely via /shout when coordinating base defense.

3) We're accustomed to massive battles and radically unequal fights. Somebody that comes from the friendly-fire-off, autobalanced, run-ten-seconds-to-get-back-in-the-fight world of BF3 is simply going to be a walking bag of XP until they slow down and learn the ropes. We can help them by example, the same as those Tribes/Quake/Doom veterans showed me. They were nice to us. They vacuumed us up into squads and showed us how to move and fight as a team.
1) This will definitely be true of anyone who gets into the beta. PS1 vets automatically get in, that's a given, but there are also people who purchased the PC Gamer mag, people who got keys at events, people who got keys from 3rd party sites, and people who got keys from Facebook and Twitter. Both veterans of the previous Planetside, as well as new players, will be participating in beta. So definitely players who participate in beta will have a leg up over those who don't, but this applies to both veterans and newcomers.

2) We're partially agreeing on something here--maybe fully agreeing. You stated yourself that it was Tribes 1 vets who left their stamp on the TR; it's these players--who came from a completely disparate FPS game--who taught things like communication. What I was saying in my original post is that there are things that are not exclusive to Planetside, things that gamers from other FPS games bring in that changes the landscape. Using communication as an example, high-level FPS play revolves around calling. Communicating for something like attacking a base isn't foreign to non-PS1 players.

3) You're automatically assuming everyone who plays BF3 is a dumb run-and-gunner with no aim and no regard for tactics. Listen, I don't like BF3--I was an extremely competitive BF2 player, and I didn't like the direction they went with BF3, but even I recognize some of the things BF3 players can do. Your summation of them is more than a bit unfair, and paints them like softies who wouldn't know one end of their rifle from the other. "Walking bags of XP" still know just as well as anyone else where to aim their shots.

And again, you're also talking about how Tribes/Quake/Doom players helped you in PS1, and how you plan to pass the torch. That's great, it really is, and I think that's the right attitude to have. But just like those Tribes/Quake/Doom players were friendly to you, I'm sure they didn't demean your experience. Not everyone coming into this game is going to know everything about FPS games, maybe they have bad aim or bad habits, and it is on people to try and show them how to operate within the empire. I just firmly believe that this isn't something that vets alone have to square on their shoulders, nor should everyone coming into the game be treated like they're green as fresh grass. There WILL be skilled players from other FPS games coming in. I think as a community who wants to bring up the skill level of NEW players (as in, new to FPS, or bad at FPS) we shouldn't be sectioning ourselves off as "Planetside vets" and "Those new to Planetside."

I'm not sure I agree with this statement. You are just more sensitive to one side of the story than the other. A lot of people just posted how much they want to shoot "vets" and prove them of they are so much better than "vets". I'm not sure how elitism plays out when most vets are NOT elite players and new players will not be elite players either.

It definitely goes both ways. There are new players in this thread saying, "Grrr, I can't wait to shoot those cocky veterans!" in response to a veteran saying, "I want to shoot newcomers in the face." Elitism doesn't necessarily mean skill, just attitude.

I'd really rather not see this type of attitude fostered between either group. We should be wanting to shoot each other because we're in different empires wearing different bright colors, not because some of us have been here shorter/longer than the others.

I am also involved in my community to keep the fighting game genre alive... Next time don't assume you know something about someone simply because they are ribbing a guy on the forums clearly meaning no discontent.

It makes me not like you
Well, I apologize for making assumptions. Usually anytime I hear "Daigo" on a fighting game-unrelated board, it's because that's the only name they know, because of that infamous moment. I also homed in on that, "You're not going to beat anyone 'cause you're new" comment.

On a note unrelated to this thread, you've got my respect for trying to keep the community alive. A lot of my outfit are in the scene; most of us used to haunt Sunnyvale Golfland or get invites to Keystone. A couple of us have even worked at fighting game companies doing things like QA. We enter a lot of locals, too, so hat's off to a fellow fighting game player.

[SleepyZombie]

Well, I apologize for making assumptions. Usually anytime I hear "Daigo" on a fighting game-unrelated board, it's because that's the only name they know, because of that infamous moment. I also homed in on that, "You're not going to beat anyone 'cause you're new" comment.

On a note unrelated to this thread, you've got my respect for trying to keep the community alive. A lot of my outfit are in the scene; most of us used to haunt Sunnyvale Golfland or get invites to Keystone. A couple of us have even worked at fighting game companies doing things like QA. We enter a lot of locals, too, so hat's off to a fellow fighting game player.

Hey it is no sweat man I understand, I just used him like i said because he is the most well known. I am apart of the ohio fighting game crowd and try to watch seasons beatings that happens like five mins from where I am at.

I have been a streetfighter, mvc and mortal kombat since I was 11 or so i understand the feeling when you feel like someone doesn't fully understand a dying genre from our childhood

[MCYRook]

And beyond the argument of "Who is going to own whom," this fragmentation between vets and newcomers isn't something that's good for fostering a community. I mentioned this in Irish's thread. Wanting to segregate yourselves from newcomers is like wanting to stay in the little pond.
Basically what I said earlier, only much more nicely put. ;)

[GuyFawkes]

Originally I was hoping the vets would choose 1 server to play on so I could avoid it, but since there wont be plasma spam and MAXes can be killed with MA rifles, I don't really care where people go anymore.

QFT ^^

[Gonefshn]

So many things about this are LOL

I'm a vet but I'm a gamer in general. I have been playing shooters on PC since before Planetside came out. I also play BF3 regularly.

A Vet of PS1 is almost gauranteed an avid PC FPS player considering we were among the very few people who actually stuck with an MMOFPS when it first came out.

To think people have played one game and will suddenly have their minds blown is ridiculous lol.

On the other side of the coin it's also stupid to think that all the PS1 tactics are going to matter in PS2. It's a new game. This will be an even field, better FPS players will do well and well coordinated groups will do well. It's going to be a very even split between everyone, vets or otherwise.

[Broadside]

You are completely missing the point :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

You can play those games, and not like them, and not play them as much, and not be as familiar with the controls as all the BF3 or CoD kiddies.


:rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes: :rolleyes::rolleyes::rolleyes:

I play BF3 and PS1. I don't see how what game I play makes me a "kiddie".

[GreatMazinkaise]

Pass... sharing Gemini with filthy, ineffective Emeraldians during free periods is bad enough as is...

[Landtank]

I play BF3 and PS1. I don't see how what game I play makes me a "kiddie".

Hah no! It's what other people call people who play CoD, sorry for not putting it in quotes or something >.>

:doh:

[p0intman]

Had higby and co. not catered to the bf3 and cod kiddies, this split wouldn't have happened.

That said, I lol at their attitudes. They don't do any favors for themselves with it.

[Hamma]

Had higby and co. not catered to the bf3 and cod kiddies, this split wouldn't have happened

:rolleyes:

and if you thought elitism here was bad, wait till you try out this server :P~

This was a joke by the way. :lol:

[Jeepo]

What about us Project Reality players huh? An award winning mod, 128 players servers, 12 men squads, 8km maps (large for the engine and the time), multiple voip channels and mumble direct comms (something we at tacticalgamer.com might try with PS2), and a multi-layered command structure. Looks like I am a walking bag of XP for you too, because I never played PS1!

Don't even start me on 200 player ArmA sessions! ;)

Maybe I should run for cover! popcorn:

Seriously, don't judge players because they did not play PS1, that won't end well for you and makes you look elitist, and that's a bad look.

[Carnage]

I think this whole noobies being food for vets thing will not really happen, the only thing they may have is pre-arranged outfits, when it comes down to it, this is a new engine, with likely a different feel in the way your peripherals work in-game. and in that case being pro at any shooter will be an advantage that basically any newcomer can bring...
underestimating ppl that have a Computer rig set up to play FPS's will be a bad decision.
but your welcome to feel that way if you so wish to die frequently at the hands of a PS noob, that is an FPS vet...

[Sam McBoom]

Watch this. I bet both of these things will happen:

A. An outfit of PS1 vets takes a base against the odds because of superior strategy, teamwork, and organization.

B. Non-Ps1 vets will thwart an outfits battle strategy with a higher average skill.

Both of these will happen and neither one all of the time. Organization will win the day in some battles, where just having more skilled players will win it in others.

[Death2All]

This has been a concern of mine. I hope that the classic server names from the original, Emerald, Markov and Werner so all the veterans know where to go. I'd be really bummed if on opening day there's tons of servers, none of which I have any idea who's going to be playing on them. I think we've all formed strong bonds and rivalries with the people we've played with throughout the years. I definitely know I'd like to play with them again, for better or for worse.

Please, please, please bring back Emerald, Markov and Werner.

[foam]

I can't wait until the PS1 vets with their clunky slow moving strategies and tactics are overwhelmed by us BF3/CoD Zergs.

What's going to be funny in the end is if when it goes live to find out strategy & planning PS1 style has little to no effect on winning in PS2.

[Meatballs]

Yeah, but does it mean it will be less fun?
The organised chaos will be awesome, but so will going lone gun man or in a small squad made of your friends?

[Bags]

I can't wait until the PS1 vets with their clunky slow moving strategies and tactics are overwhelmed by us BF3/CoD Zergs.

What's going to be funny in the end is if when it goes live to find out strategy & planning PS1 style has little to no effect on winning in PS2.

I can't wait for the likes of KOTOR, DT, and 1CMM to wipe the floor with cocky bastards like yourself. :groovy:

[GuyFawkes]

On the other side of the coin it's also stupid to think that all the PS1 tactics are going to matter in PS2. It's a new game. This will be an even field, better FPS players will do well and well coordinated groups will do well. It's going to be a very even split between everyone, vets or otherwise.



Seriously, don't judge players because they did not play PS1, that won't end well for you and makes you look elitist, and that's a bad look.

Both 100% correct statements.

If you were/are a good player, and happened to dabble in ps1 at any point in its history amongst/as well as a plethora of other games that have been released during that time, then theres a reasonable chance you will be ok in ps2.

Assuming you will be ok in ps2 simply because you played ps1 is nonsense. Everyone who enters ps2 on day 1 will be a noob until they prove otherwise. The phrase 'can't teach an old dog new tricks' is kind of apt here, but if the old dogs don't learn, they will just be flies on a windscreen.

[MorioMortis]

I can't wait until the PS1 vets with their clunky slow moving strategies and tactics are overwhelmed by us BF3/CoD Zergs.

I honestly can't really see that happening...

PS1 vets (most of whom have also been playing at least some more modern FPS) will see the modern FPS zerg and see a big bunch of targets for an air raid, or as grass to be magmowed. No other FPS has had the same emphasis on combined arms since PS1, and when 20 Liberators start bombing, no amount of CoD/BF3 skills is going to help. The modern FPS crowd may have an advantage relative to the ground gameplay, just like some flight sim people will be monsters in aircrafts after a while, but they have never played in the strategic reality of a Planetside game.

Those who never played the original will have to learn the ropes, the basics of gal drops and MAX crashes (the later may not be as viable though), and the inherent strategic reality of having 30-40 MBT's instead of 3 or 4 coming over the hill. It's the vets job to teach the newer players the strategic reality of the game; the same thing happened in the early days of Tribes Ascend, where a few vets had to teach most of the new influx of population how to play according to the unique nature of the game (and yes, a few vets got owned by good FPS players, but when you can't sky or disk jump, and don't know how to cap, than you aren't really helping your team win, which is always the real objective).

[MCYRook]

I honestly can't really see that happening...
I can, because there are plenty of really bad "vet" outfits. :rolleyes:

That's the problem with blanket statements - not all PS1 vets are the same, and not all non-PS1-players are. Why, for instance, do you assume that just because someone comes from CoD, mindless footzerging is all he'll do in PS2?

[rTekku]

I'm sure many new PS players will be able to learn how to play without Vets needing to hold their hand....

[Zulthus]

Lol @ "We'll show the vets a thing or two, they don't know crap 'bout modern FPS"


Oh, no, you're right. All of us PS1 veterans are crumbly old grandfathers that refuse to touch anything other than Planetside 1. :rolleyes:


I love playing BF3 with people I know from PS because we absolutely steamroll everyone on the other team. There's a thing called coordination and teamwork that 95% of the BF3/COD zerg doesn't know the meaning of... they don't stand a chance. If you haven't played PS1 you have not gone into depth with tactical decisions and strategies, I know that for a fact.



Just a warning, I'm not saying the newcomers are going to be worse than us at all, but if you think you'll just wipe the floor with us, you'll have another thing coming :cool:

[rTekku]

Lol @ "We'll show the vets a thing or two, they don't know crap 'bout modern FPS"


Oh, no, you're right. All of us PS1 veterans are crumbly old grandfathers that refuse to touch anything other than Planetside 1. :rolleyes:


I love playing BF3 with people I know from PS because we absolutely steamroll everyone on the other team. There's a thing called coordination and teamwork that 95% of the BF3/COD zerg doesn't know the meaning of... they don't stand a chance. If you haven't played PS1 you have not gone into depth with tactical decisions and strategies, I know that for a fact.



Just a warning, I'm not saying the newcomers are going to be worse than us at all, but if you think you'll just wipe the floor with us, you'll have another thing coming :cool:

Congrats, you had some success in public matches.....Now try it against an organized team.

And also, I hope your Battlefield name isn't ZuIthus, because if it is, then you LOSE more matches than you win. And you claim you steamroll the competition? Rofl 163 wins, 176 losses. Yeah bro you PS1 vets are beasts.

[Zulthus]

Congrats, you had some success in public matches.....Now try it against an organized team.

And also, I hope your Battlefield name isn't ZuIthus, because if it is, then you LOSE more matches than you win. And you claim you steamroll the competition? Rofl 163 wins, 176 losses. Yeah bro you PS1 vets are beasts.

That's the problem with the new people. You don't know what teamplay is. You judge success based on your W/L and K/D ratio. I never said we carry our teams to victory, but as a squad, we always succeed versus the other players.

Sadly, you won't understand. Firstly, PS1/2 are not matched based games. You do not measure score by W/L. You will lose as many bases as you take, it's inevitable. It'll be foreign to you. You're measured by how much you contribute, with heals, revives, repairs, spots, assists, hacks, etc etc etc. Sadly most of the new players coming in just want to pad their K/D to look hardcore. You'll figure out soon enough that K/D and W/L isn't what Planetside is about.

[rTekku]

That's the problem with the new people. You don't know what teamplay is. You judge success based on your W/L and K/D ratio. I never said we carry our teams to victory, but as a squad, we always succeed versus the other players.

Sadly, you won't understand. Firstly, PS1/2 are not matched based games. You do not measure score by W/L. You will lose as many bases as you take, it's inevitable. It'll be foreign to you. You're measured by how much you contribute, with heals, revives, repairs, spots, assists, hacks, etc etc etc. Sadly most of the new players coming in just want to pad their K/D to look hardcore. You'll figure out soon enough that K/D and W/L isn't what Planetside is about.

I love playing BF3 with people I know from PS because we absolutely steamroll everyone on the other team.

That quote is telling me you and your friends are dominating the other team. If that was the case, then you are carrying your team.

Don't sit here and try to brag about how much you own Battlefield players and then turn around and say I don't know anything about teamwork because I called you out on your poor win/loss ratio.

[Zulthus]

That quote is telling me you and your friends are dominating the other team. If that was the case, then you are carrying your team.

Don't sit here and try to brag about how much you own Battlefield players and then turn around and say I don't know anything about teamwork because I called you out on your poor win/loss ratio.

I couldn't care less about my shitty win/loss ratio, I assure you. I care more about my SPM along with how much I'd be contributing to my team and working with my squad, instead of sitting in a corner padding kills. That makes me curious about your own stats.

[Artimus]

As far as all vets going to one server, not a good idea. The vets will be the ones that show what ps2's full potential is like. You think trying to get a full gal loaded with 4-6 aircraft as support all while planning your point of entry is easy? Or going behind enemy lines and doing a gen hold on a base to deny the enemy benifits? Well its not, and can be very frustrating at times, if your organizing or even just waiting, it can be a big drag.

[rTekku]

I couldn't care less about my shitty win/loss ratio, I assure you. I care more about my SPM along with how much I'd be contributing to my team and working with my squad, instead of sitting in a corner padding kills. That makes me curious about your own stats.

http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf3/soldier/r-Teku/stats/246886305/

And if you want to see how bad of a team player I am, check out my Battlefield videos on my channel.

[MorioMortis]

Congrats, you had some success in public matches.....Now try it against an organized team.

Keeping things in perspective, the proportion of players in organized teams in PS1 was much greater than in any other modern FPS. The average run-and-gunner CoD kiddie or BF3 player who has never played the earlier series and only plays on tiny maps with no vehicles "because they are OP" is not in one of those organized teams, and, IMO sadly, make up a lot more of the community than the organized players. Most of FPS players are zergs (even a lot of PS1 players), no matter what game they play, and they'll probably also be zergs in PS2; they may not be bad FPS'ers, but for most, I'd have better success teaching my grandmother the basis of organized team efforts in an FPS than getting one of them to stop running around and get the objectives for more than 5 minutes.

[Firearms]

I can't wait for the likes of KOTOR, DT, and 1CMM to wipe the floor with cocky bastards like yourself. :groovy:

And when they do, will it because they know how to play PS1 or because they have a command structure and orders etc...? :rolleyes:

Line up - hack each other to bits
Line up - shoot each other in turn
Line up - bury yourself 6 feet - drop some shit from the air go over the top alot
Line up - bury yourself 6 feet - drop alot of shit from the air go over the top less
Send tanks
Send HUMVEEs and then tanks
Do all your shit at night...
Insurgents....

The point I'm obviously not making is that shit changes. Just because you were awsome last time doesn't make you awsome this time. You have to invent new ideas - always. PS1 advantage is they can command a few hundred people. BF vets can manage 30ish.... Find a charismatic BF guy and you might be suprised - especially when the PS1 vets are still working out who drives the tank and who fires it.....

IMO

[Zulthus]

http://battlelog.battlefield.com/bf3/soldier/r-Teku/stats/246886305/

And if you want to see how bad of a team player I am, check out my Battlefield videos on my channel.

I know some extremely skilled people on BF3. I hardly ever call booster. You are one of those few people. Sorry, I don't find that page legit. Call me a shitty player if you'd like, but there's no way.

[rTekku]

I know some extremely skilled people on BF3. I hardly ever call booster. You are one of those few people. Sorry, I don't find that page legit. Call me a shitty player if you'd like, but there's no way.

If you don't think it's legitimate, watch some of my videos.

http://www.youtube.com/user/rTekku/videos

[Bobby Shaftoe]

GIVE ME ATTENTION!

You could hand me a list of everyone that's ever played PS1 and I probably prefer to squad with any of them, than with you. If you gave me some time I could pick out several hundred good/capable players that I would definitely squad with and thats only from one faction (VS) on one server (Werner). All I've seen from your posts are 'I've got this k/d ratio' 'I've got this w/l ratio'.

No one cares.

Your mindset is no different to 90% of 'modern' FPS players mentality.

There will be hundreds/thousands of PS1 players with 'reputations' in PS2, this is shit that's gone back almost TEN years... if you want yours, PS2 is where you'll earn it along with the PS1 players validating theirs, not showing off some stats from BF3.

[rTekku]

You could hand me a list of everyone that's ever played PS1 and I probably prefer to squad with any of them, than with you. If you gave me some time I could pick out several hundred good/capable players that I would definitely squad with and thats only from one faction (VS) on one server (Werner). All I've seen from your posts are 'I've got this k/d ratio' 'I've got this w/l ratio'.

No one cares.

Your mindset is no different to 90% of 'modern' FPS players mentality.

There will be hundreds/thousands of PS1 players with 'reputations' in PS2, this is shit that's gone back almost TEN years... if you want yours, PS2 is where you'll earn it along with the PS1 players validating theirs, not showing off some stats from BF3.

Show me where i've said anything about my K/D or W/L ratio? I dare you.

I brought up Zulthus' W/L ratio only because he was bragging about "absolutely steamrolling" Battlefield players with his Planetside friends. Not once did I ever say "Oh, i'm better than you because my W/L and K/D is higher than yours."

I only called him out on his bullshit, but apparently you don't see it that way.

[MrBloodworth]

This thread = http://www.free-dc.org/forum/images/smilies/catfight.gif

[sylphaen]

This thread = http://www.free-dc.org/forum/images/smilies/catfight.gif

In the end though, I'm still not sure who was the winner at claiming the largest e-peen.
:lol:

[Pella]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_profilepage&v=RjuhHZ2QA0Q

Obviously this guy is Pro...

[rTekku]

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_profilepage&v=RjuhHZ2QA0Q

Obviously this guy is Pro...

Working on those twitch reflexes and stuff, you know? Since that's the only thing us BF kiddies will be good at :rofl:

[Bobby Shaftoe]

Show me where i've said anything about my K/D or W/L ratio? I dare you.

I brought up Zulthus' W/L ratio only because he was bragging about "absolutely steamrolling" Battlefield players with his Planetside friends. Not once did I ever say "Oh, i'm better than you because my W/L and K/D is higher than yours."

I only called him out on his bullshit, but apparently you don't see it that way.

It's obviously a touchy subject for you, some mean old PS1 vet is saying he eats BF3 players for breakfast, why do you care so much to actually look up his stats?

[rTekku]

It's obviously a touchy subject for you, some mean old PS1 vet is saying he eats BF3 players for breakfast, why do you care so much to actually look up his stats?

Because in the very same statement, he bashes Battlefield players by saying the majority of us know nothing about teamwork and coordination. If you're going to talk trash about us not knowing anything about teamwork and boast about how easily you dominate us, you better be able to back that statement up.

That's all i'm saying.

[KTNApollo]

But I don't like any of you guys!

[drennam]

Sorry to burst ya'lls bubbles regarding "owned PS1 vets", but you do realize we play more games than planetside, right? I've played BFBC2, BF3, MW1, Quake Live, TF2, L4D, etc etc etc since I started playing PS1. We're not going to be "HURR DURR HOW DO I INTO MODERN SHOOTER?" when PS2 releases.

But you can delude yourselves into thinking you're magically going to dominate every vet, if it makes you feel better.

this, exactly. such a weird comprehension of vet thats floating around

vet =/= diehard

i've never played a game for 9 years straight...

[Bobby Shaftoe]

Because in the very same statement, he bashes Battlefield players by saying the majority of us know nothing about teamwork and coordination. If you're going to talk trash about us not knowing anything about teamwork and boast about how easily you dominate us, you better be able to back that statement up.

That's all i'm saying.

Well what experience do you have with team work consisting of several hundred players at once?

[rTekku]

Well what experience do you have with team work consisting of several hundred players at once?

In MMOFPS games? None because i've never played a MMOFPS of this scale. The closest thing would be MAG on the PS3 which was only 256 players.

I have plenty of experience in MMORPG games coordinating and fighting against hundreds of players. Specifically in "siege" types of game modes.

And on smaller scale FPS games, such as Battlefield, I have years of experience participating in various leagues and ladders with some of the best teams out there.

Battles of this scale in a shooter will certainly be new to me, but to automatically assume I know nothing of teamwork and coordination just because I play Battlefield is stupid. It was annoying to see Battlefield vets put down CoD vets for coming over to Battlefield, now it appears I have to deal with the exact same thing coming over to Planetside.

[Landtank]

Well what experience do you have with team work consisting of several hundred players at once?

I've played PS1 for a looongg time, and I have never once worked with more than 60+ people directly.

Don't even try to tell me that everyone NC on that continent was working together, please, the majority were just going to the nearest base with their platoon.

So! Maybe he does have more experience than the vets, who knows? I don't, so just like vets have played other shooters besides PS1, new guys have played games that require teamwork before, they aren't as rare as you think.

[PeterLawford]

You know what's really going to happen? People in this thread are going to get in the game and do quite well and they're each going to think "Ha! I was right all along," but really it will be because they're playing against people who just noticed the game and thought they'd try it because it's free and have no idea what they're doing.

[Karrade]

I've played PS1 for a looongg time, and I have never once worked with more than 60+ people directly.

Don't even try to tell me that everyone NC on that continent was working together, please, the majority were just going to the nearest base with their platoon.

So! Maybe he does have more experience than the vets, who knows? I don't, so just like vets have played other shooters besides PS1, new guys have played games that require teamwork before, they aren't as rare as you think.

As the game went on, people realised that teamwork was rewarded more, and you'd see more effective actions being done. Or you'd not see if it, if you decided to run with the zerg for a break, as the base or focus of the fight would flip and you'd not even know why half the time - that was the real difference imho. Being where you were effective or being left to second guess more.

[GreatMazinkaise]

All this talk about teamwork as if it's some kind of special skill that is hard to develop is ludicrous. Yay for you if you can get three hundred people to move in one direction; they're still zerglings. From everything I've been hearing individual skill is going to trump any amount of contrived tactics or predrawn battle plans that the old zergfits think will give them an edge on actual competitive players.

TL;DR: Teamwork isn't a skill, and the new players/old killwhores will beat the pants off of PS1's tactical zerglings.

[Karrade]

TL;DR: Teamwork isn't a skill, and the new players/old killwhores will beat the pants off of PS1's tactical zerglings.

I look forward to steamrollering this kind of thinking :), and watching history repeat!

[GreatMazinkaise]

I look forward to steamrollering this kind of thinking :), and watching history repeat!

Of course history will repeat... teamwork is something everyone has (humans are social animals). When the individuals making up your team are better individually than the individuals making up an enemy team and you've got the means to coordinate, the better players will win every time.

The only point at which "teamwork" beats skill is when your numbers are much, much greater. This was proved in Planetside Live and will continue to be true.

[Landtank]

TL;DR: Teamwork isn't a skill, and the new players/old killwhores will beat the pants off of PS1's tactical zerglings.

I'm quoting this just because I like the sound of tactical zerglings, it reminded me of Archer and his tactilneck

[Karrade]

The only point at which "teamwork" beats skill is when your numbers are much, much greater. This was proved in Planetside Live and will continue to be true.

We must have been playing from a very different perspective, all those years I saw things decided by clever/organised or unexpected attacks. This was done in synch, large crashes/gal drops, opening up new fronts and hitting them quickly with your outfit, working in a team. Aircover for the LLU quick and fast, lots of examples, you get the idea.

Sure I had my share of solo wow moments where I did something exceptional, but they didn't win a continent.

-edit

I had heard it said NC played quite different to TR for example, and I was pretty much always TR, with very rare exceptions.

[p0intman]

Show me where i've said anything about my K/D or W/L ratio? I dare you.

I brought up Zulthus' W/L ratio only because he was bragging about "absolutely steamrolling" Battlefield players with his Planetside friends. Not once did I ever say "Oh, i'm better than you because my W/L and K/D is higher than yours."

I only called him out on his bullshit, but apparently you don't see it that way.
Read what Bobby said again. Keep in mind, not a single one of us old ps1 guys have... anything to prove to anyone. You, however, are acting like you do.

I'd put the onus on you to stand up to what you say about yourself instead.

Keep in mind that K/d and win/loss isn't everything in planetside. I didn't even look at your page because it doesn't matter, it holds no weight in this conversation. You have no idea how many conflicts I or others have come out on top of with only seconds to spare, sometimes not even that. It is a level of precision that you won't find in BF2/3. You have no idea the level of precision and calculated movement that comes about when even just fifteen seconds can change everything around you.

Like Bobby said, a lot of people and outfits around here have an earned reputation. Earn yours, or don't, and go back to your 64/64 player maps.

[GreatMazinkaise]

We must have been playing from a very different perspective, all those years I saw things decided by clever/organised or unexpected attacks. This was done in synch, large crashes/gal drops, opening up new fronts and hitting them quickly with your outfit, working in a team. Aircover for the LLU quick and fast, lots of examples, you get the idea.

Sure I had my share of solo wow moments where I did something exceptional, but they didn't win a continent.

-edit

I had heard it said NC played quite different to TR for example, and I was pretty much always TR, with very rare exceptions.

I think we may be talking at cross purposes. I am not saying that an individual player will necessarily be able to be a better contributor to a fight if all he does is his own thing (maybe snipers). Here's a good example of what I'm talking about: that guy that can hotdrop on a tower with HA and then take out the half-squad+ of tactizerglings guarding it and then hack it out from under him. Pretty nice, right? Take ten of him and put them in their own squad with VOIP and have them hotdrop on a base guarded by a full platoon of tactizerglings and you'll have the same result.

The ability to work with others is something everyone (without a debilitating mental illness) has as a virtue of belonging to the species; the ability to dominate in an FPS against multiple players is not.

Note here that I'm a strictly middling player that shares the species' ability to work with others; I've rolled with the guys who do the above (as TR even) and seen it with my own eyes.

[rTekku]

Read what Bobby said again. Keep in mind, not a single one of us old ps1 guys have... anything to prove to anyone. You, however, are acting like you do.

I'd put the onus on you to stand up to what you say about yourself instead.

Keep in mind that K/d and win/loss isn't everything in planetside. I didn't even look at your page because it doesn't matter, it holds no weight in this conversation. You have no idea how many conflicts I or others have come out on top of with only seconds to spare, sometimes not even that. It is a level of precision that you won't find in BF2/3. You have no idea the level of precision and calculated movement that comes about when even just fifteen seconds can change everything around you.

Like Bobby said, a lot of people and outfits around here have an earned reputation. Earn yours, or don't, and go back to your 64/64 player maps.

I read exactly what he said and responded to it. Bobby on the other hand could not show me where I was supposedly talking about my K/D and W/L Ratio.

Did you even read what that exchange between myself and Zulthus was about? You obviously didn't if you don't understand where the discussion of W/L ratio comes into play here.

I suggest you go back and read before responding to me.

[Landtank]

We must have been playing from a very different perspective, all those years I saw things decided by clever/organised or unexpected attacks. This was done in synch, large crashes/gal drops, opening up new fronts and hitting them quickly with your outfit, working in a team. Aircover for the LLU quick and fast, lots of examples, you get the idea.

Sure I had my share of solo wow moments where I did something exceptional, but they didn't win a continent.

-edit

I had heard it said NC played quite different to TR for example, and I was pretty much always TR, with very rare exceptions.

See now these always happen, they just never make as much a difference as everyone always said they did, MAX crashes being the exception.

But Gal drops etc, those worked maybe 10% of the time. I was mainly a Gal pilot in PS1, and even dropping three full Galaxies on a base made a marginal difference, unless they got to the generator etc.

The LLU is a given :P

And most infantry based tactics can be executed in BF3, or even Halo very occasionally.

PS2 will have more openings for teamwork methinks, however. The new base capture mechanisms support individual squads working for individual objectives, but still working simultaneously and "cohesively".

It should be less like PS1 where it was just a clusterfuck running down hallways with the occasional tactic being employed.

@p0intman: Try to not to sound so entitled or elitist dude! You may have "earned" all you want in PS1, but you have earned nothing in PS2, even if you're in a respectable outfit.

[Zerik]

Hi, I'm Zerik, and I'm a PS1 vet.

I'm a sniper first, soldier second. I -love- PS1 for the massive landscapes giving me complete freedom in picking a spot, and picking off enemies from afar. I especially loved it when I found out I could pick off spitfires with just two shots from my bolt driver, while one shot would be enough to distract the turret from shooting my allies that were running up to storm the tower/base.
I am also good and joining in with my outfit, taking orders, and providing another gun when attacking and defending points.
Does this make me better at PS2 than non veterans? Not really. I don't have exceptional leadership skills, and anyone in any other FPS game can match my skillset or exceed it, assuming they play in a semi organized setting (ie, within clan matches etc.)

I've also been a lifetime fan of [REDACTED], but I must say, that even after playing [REDACTED] for longer than Planetside 1 has been out, and being able to roflstomp in [REDACTED], the latest and greatest version of [REDACTED] has me fighting tooth and nail against newcomers and veterans of the series alike. And I absolutely love it for that challenge!

[p0intman]

I read exactly what he said and responded to it. Bobby on the other hand could not show me where I was supposedly talking about my K/D and W/L Ratio.

Did you even read what that exchange between myself and Zulthus was about? You obviously didn't if you don't understand where the discussion of W/L ratio comes into play here.

I suggest you go back and read before responding to me.

You miss my point then. Win/loss or kill/death ratios don't matter for jack shit. Not in PS1 nor BF2/3, nor will they in PS2. I very well saw that portion of your conversation, and I still regard you as an attention grabber who is trying to prove something about himself.

Also loling at your accuracy, 23 percent of all shots hit their mark?

So, spray and pray really does work then?

Edit: I'll be generous and in theory say 1/4 of all your shots fired actually hit something of note. 53,797 out of 215,188 actually hit anything. Thats not likely to fly very well in a scale like planetside.


@p0intman: Try to not to sound so entitled or elitist dude! You may have "earned" all you want in PS1, but you have earned nothing in PS2, even if you're in a respectable outfit.
I hate being arrogant. I really do, but sometimes its required to make a point about something.

[rTekku]

You miss my point then. Win/loss or kill/death ratios don't matter for jack shit. Not in PS1 nor BF2/3, nor will they in PS2. I very well saw that portion of your conversation, and I still regard you as an attention grabber who is trying to prove something about himself.

Also loling at your accuracy, 23 percent of all shots hit their mark?

So, spray and pray really does work then?

How does W/L ratio not matter? If he was dominating as much as he said he was, then wouldn't his W/L ratio reflect that? Again, he said him and his friends "absolutely steamrolled" the opposing teams WHILE bashing Battlefield players for not knowing anything about teamwork. That is why I called him out.

If you're going to talk shit and brag about your own skills, be prepared to back it up. On the other hand, I have not bashed PS1 vets nor have I said or even implied i'm going to come into PS1 steamrolling vets. But apparently i'm in the wrong here?

Also, I said absolutely nothing about my K/D or his own. Get that out of your head. This just shows how poorly your reading comprehension skills are.

You are aware 20% accuracy is high for a Battlefield game, correct? Pull up your Battlefield 3 stats then. And while you're at it, check out a couple of my videos and watch how stupid you look afterwards.

And by the way, my total accuracy is 26.26%. Way to fail.

[Landtank]

I hate being arrogant. I really do, but sometimes its required to make a point about something.

Indeed, I can understand that.

The hostilities need to end! Atleast we can all agree that CoD is the best game.

[rTekku]

The hostilities will end when "vets" like p0intman stop acting like assholes to newcomers. Battlefield "vets" did this to CoD players coming into BF3. There is absolutely no reason for the generalizations.

[p0intman]

You are aware 20% accuracy is high for a Battlefield game, correct? Pull up your Battlefield 3 stats then. And while you're at it, check out a couple of my videos and watch how stupid you look afterwards.

I don't play BF3/2 or CoD. I haven't since uh.. 2032 or whatever it was.

I guess I have to plainly spell this out for you: The entire argument zulthus and yourself had is utterly and incredibly pointless. It holds no water on either side. Slinging stats does nothing for you, or for him. Further, stats do not reflect the reality of any situation given the dynamic flow of fights in either game.

Congrats, you had some success in public matches.....Now try it against an organized team.

And also, I hope your Battlefield name isn't ZuIthus, because if it is, then you LOSE more matches than you win. And you claim you steamroll the competition? Rofl 163 wins, 176 losses. Yeah bro you PS1 vets are beasts.

Now, this is where you brought it up. Keep this in mind: Your argument with Zulthus is with someone who is apart of an outfit that, provided an actual, organised team, is mostly incapable of doing very much unless the odds are stacked heavily in their favor or they co-op with an actual organised team that fights above their weight class.

They clearly don't play for win/loss. This is why I said that your bringing up win/loss ratios holds no water. This is why I said it makes you look like you have something to prove.

Is that clear enough for you?

[rTekku]

Point, what aren't you understanding here? Let's go over this one more time.

Zulthus made a claim that he steamrolls his opponents in Battlefield 3. I ask you again, if this was the case, then shouldn't his win/loss ratio reflect his domination in these matches? Again, this is someone who said him and his buddies "absolutely steamroll" the opposing team.

A simple yes or no will do just fine.

[p0intman]

Point, what aren't you understanding here? Let's go over this one more time.

Zulthus made a claim that he steamrolls his opponents in Battlefield 3. I ask you again, if this was the case, then shouldn't his win/loss ratio reflect his domination in these matches? Again, this is someone who said him and his buddies "absolutely steamroll" the opposing team.

A simple yes or no will do just fine.

His definition of steamrolling does not match with yours, apparently.

[Tatwi]

Man, the concept of "servers" sucks. I just want to play where other people are playing, a lot, all the time. It would be handy if there was only 1 "sever" that had a huge amount of load balanced zones (or "maps" if you wish). That way we could all just play the game and go where ever isn't pop-locked, whenever we felt like it, with anyone we've ever met. Alas, this will not happen and threads like this will instead.

[rTekku]

His definition of steamrolling does not match with yours, apparently.


Apparently his definition is very different from mine. I associate that statement with winning easily. But some how he can dominate the enemy team and still lose.

And you don't have to purposely "play for W/L ratio". My point is if you claim to be dominating the enemy team, then your wins and losses should reflect that.

[p0intman]

Apparently his definition is very different from mine. I associate that statement with winning easily. But some how he can dominate the enemy team and still lose.

And you don't have to purposely "play for W/L ratio". My point is if you claim to be dominating the enemy team, then your wins and losses should reflect that.

And his definition of it, if his 'bf2/3 team' is his outfit, is farming kills from a fortified position that takes an excessive level of force to overcome.

It does not mean winning easily to most in PS1.

[rTekku]

And his definition of it, if his 'bf2/3 team' is his outfit, is farming kills from a fortified position that takes an excessive level of force to overcome.

It does not mean winning easily to most in PS1.

Last I checked, we were discussing Battlefield when he made that statement though. And kill farming isn't an effective way of winning a match in BF.

[TheDAWinz]

I look forward to steamrollering this kind of thinking :), and watching history repeat!

Its called a blitzkrieg. Germans did it, and it was successful. Americans do shock and awe. Basically the same.

[Rumblepit]

servers are going to fill up fast. outfits will have to make a choice weather they will be east west or central.if you live on the east coast why would you be in a west coast outfit? when your getting ready to log they will be forming raids. when you login nobody will be on. this is the problem.players will go one way outfits will go another. people may choose to stick with them, but they will be missing out on alot.as much as i would like to see all of you on the same server, its very unlikely to happen. lets just say they have a very bad launch , only 300,000 people playing to game. thats how many servers 15 20???
see what im getting at here? and this game wont have a bad launch, it already looks fing great and its in alpha . so you mite see 30 to 40 servers at launch maybe more.

[moosepoop]

i cant wait to make many new sexy friends, then we wrestle together with no cloth.

[Rumblepit]

you just brought this thread to a very strange place :(

[DOUBLEXBAUGH]

The majority of PS1 vets have 0 advantage. Everyone going to the same place is NOT tactics ;)

[Goldeh]

This thread is amazing.

popcorn:

[TheDAWinz]

What about us Project Reality players huh? An award winning mod, 128 players servers, 12 men squads, 8km maps (large for the engine and the time), multiple voip channels and mumble direct comms (something we at tacticalgamer.com might try with PS2), and a multi-layered command structure. Looks like I am a walking bag of XP for you too, because I never played PS1!

Don't even start me on 200 player ArmA sessions! ;)

Maybe I should run for cover! popcorn:

Seriously, don't judge players because they did not play PS1, that won't end well for you and makes you look elitist, and that's a bad look.

This guy right here FTW

[Rivenshield]

What about us Project Reality players huh? An award winning mod, 128 players servers, 12 men squads, 8km maps (large for the engine and the time), multiple voip channels and mumble direct comms (something we at tacticalgamer.com might try with PS2), and a multi-layered command structure.

Sounds awesome. No sarcasm.

Did they routinely fight battles where there'd be, say, eighty players against forty? Did the eighty practice taking advantage of their greater numbers? Did the forty learn how to defend a single chokepoint and give them merry hell all afternoon?

Did they routinely fight battles where the defenders might have access to a vehicle spawning point and the attacking side didn't?

Was there a way beyond spawn camping to burrow into the enemy's defenses and simply turn their ability to spawn/pull vehicles *off*?

We know what to expect. New recruits -- while some are fantastically well-trained for small-unit indoorsy stuff -- don't. That doesn't make us better. It makes us *veterans.*

We can help.

[TheDAWinz]

Sounds awesome. No sarcasm.

Did they routinely fight battles where there'd be, say, eighty players against forty? Did the eighty practice taking advantage of their greater numbers? Did the forty learn how to defend a single chokepoint and give them merry hell all afternoon?

Did they routinely fight battles where the defenders might have access to a vehicle spawning point and the attacking side didn't?

Was there a way beyond spawn camping to burrow into the enemy's defenses and simply turn their ability to spawn/pull vehicles *off*?

We know what to expect. New recruits -- while some are fantastically well-trained for small-unit indoorsy stuff -- don't. That doesn't make us better. It makes us *veterans.*

We can help.

Project Reality 0.973 Developers Combat Deployment 200 player server on Al Basra 25/02/2012 - YouTube

[Emperor]

The events of the last few pages were hilarious: Zulthus says he steamrolls people in BF3, rTekku calls him out, Zulthus accuses rTekku of boosting, vets rally to Zulthus, p0intman ACTUALLY TRIES TO DEBATE THE DEFINITION OF 'STEAMROLLED.'

I wish I had some popcorn.

The hostilities will end when "vets" like p0intman stop acting like assholes to newcomers. Battlefield "vets" did this to CoD players coming into BF3. There is absolutely no reason for the generalizations.
In all seriousness though, this. You guys can already see just from this thread the ridiculous pissing contests people are getting into, generalization-slinging on BOTH sides. I mean is this really the community we're going to build, here?

[TheDAWinz]

The events of the last few pages were hilarious: Zulthus says he steamrolls people in BF3, rTekku calls him out, Zulthus accuses rTekku of boosting, vets rally to Zulthus, p0intman ACTUALLY TRIES TO DEBATE THE DEFINITION OF 'STEAMROLLED.'

I wish I had some popcorn.


In all seriousness though, this. You guys can already see just from this thread the ridiculous pissing contests people are getting into, generalization-slinging on BOTH sides. I mean is this really the community we're going to build, here?

Obviously yes.

[Sephirex]

Community hasn't even showed up yet. This is just where the super-obsessed hang out.

I wish I had some popcorn. popcorn:

You can have some but you have to sit by me.

[Emperor]

That's actually a good point; when the game actually comes out, this thread, this entire discussion, probably isn't even going to matter, forums representing such a low percentage of users. Still, seeing it happen right now is a downer.

You can have some but you have to sit by me.

Alright, but none of that "accidentally touch your hand" stuff when I go to get some.

[Minigun]

Unfortunately when you bring in a wide as scope as a f2p game the community usually won't be very pleasant because you are making the game available to many unpleasant people *>insert bias here<*.

People are just going to find those who they like to play with and those who they don't. I think once the game is released the majority of this bashing will hopefully sway towards enemy empires once the faction loyalty kicks into play.

If half of these people spend half their energy bashing empires such as the NC instead of this game or that games community we would be in business.

Time will tell.

[Sephirex]

Alright, but none of that "accidentally touch your hand" stuff when I go to get some.

I'm a total gentleman. :bananasex

[Verruna]

This thread, so much stupid in one place. :doh::doh::doh:

[TheDAWinz]

I'm a total gentleman. :bananasex

I know you are :D

[Sephirex]

I know you are :D

Shhh!! I'm a VS, you're a TR. You'll get us both killed!

http://photo.goodreads.com/books/1170809533l/72300.jpg

[TheDAWinz]

shhh!! I'm a vs, you're a tr. You'll get us both killed!

http://photo.goodreads.com/books/1170809533l/72300.jpg

rofl rofl rofl

i want this for TR skin

http://images.wikia.com/starwars/images/0/0d/Storm-CHRON.jpg

[Tatwi]

Project Reality 0.973 Developers Combat Deployment 200 player server on Al Basra 25/02/2012 - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_vk4m11B3TI)

Needs more shooting people from 2 miles away.

[TheDAWinz]

Needs more shooting people from 2 miles away.

Project Reality 0.96 - Airstrip Defense - YouTube