Will this be a as bad as start of ps1 in 2003?

[Astrok]

john smedley posted pc's with a dual core processor and a 8800gtx will not be able(atleast not enjoy gameplay) the game.

will this be all over again that most people do not have the requirements to play this game?

im fine i got a i7 but most people aint.

[SgtExo]

By the way the game looks, I would say that if you can run BF3 you should be able to run this.

[Sephirex]

im fine i got a i7 but most people aint.

Ain't what?

Anyways I've heard someone say they ran it fine on a Pentium 2 dual core with 2 gb ram with low settings. Not proof by any means, but we might be okay.

[Astrok]

By the way the game looks, I would say that if you can run BF3 you should be able to run this.

i think u cant compare them....

Ain't what?

Anyways I've heard someone say they ran it fine on a Pentium 2 dual core with 2 gb ram with low settings. Not proof by any means, but we might be okay.

i hope so because most of my freinds have dual cores....

[Raymac]

The original Planetside literally taught me how to optimize and upgrade my computer. I didn't even know how to switch out RAM. Now I've swapped out every part of my computer a few times over and OC'd my CPU. I fully expect to use that knowledge for the sequel.

[InfraRed]

I think the difference is that the original engine was borrowed for PS1 and probably was adapted for the scale of the game, it sounds like the engine for PS2 was built purposely for the scale of PS2 so it's starting performance should be much better than the beginning of PS1.

[bjorntju1]

A 8800GTX is almost 6 years old, I don't think you can expect to run this game well with that card.

[Astrok]

A 8800GTX is almost 6 years old, I don't think you can expect to run this game well with that card.

i didnt said it but they where telling it theirselfs that they where aiming for pc's from 4-5 years back so....

[sylphaen]

Maybe you'd be able to play but decreasing the viewable range to 20 meters...
:doh:

[Braveliltoaster]

I believe it was the TB that said that the game will be largely compatible for a wide variety of machines, with a deep video customization. So if they can play BF3 they can play PS2

[SergeantNubins]

Are core 2 duo's really the norm for gamers? THey are 4+ years old, i thought the normal upgrade cycle was around 2 years. I switched up my core 2 duo about a year ago to a core 2 quad (best i could do without changing the mobo as well) because windows 7 64 simply does not work properly with core 2 duo cpus. I know I will be looking at a £400 graphics card update when ps2 finally releases cos i dont expect my gtx 285 to handle it, but again. thats like 3 years old.. i thought i was behind the times...

[Flaropri]

Too many variables to be certain of required specs. CPU, RAM, GPU, VRAM, shader compatibility all play a role.

If the setup Smedley talked about has performance issues that remove satisfying gameplay we can't be 100% sure which part(s) of the system were inadequate and dragged the rest down.

EDIT: Also, it doesn't rule out the possibility of further work on optimizing the game to work on lower-end systems (well, lower-end by comparison).

[Astrok]

Maybe you'd be able to play but decreasing the viewable range to 20 meters...
:doh:

LOL.

well my pc will run on ultra ultra ultra high higher highst for sure .

my vieuw range can be like 500 miles atleast

[Tuomio]

6 year old card? Let me guess, you running Win98 Special Edition also? Time for some upgrades pal.

[SgtExo]

I have had my core 2 quad since i bought this pc around 6 years ago. I still have my 4 gb of DDR2 and had to switch my gtx 240 to a radeon HD 4800 because the old one broke. But I put a SSD drive in my rig and it revitalized it so it still runs great. It can run BF3 at a high without any problems, so I expect to be able to play PS2 since it does not look as graphically demanding BF3 (even if it has to put more things on screen).

[AThreatToYou]

Most people I run into either have a mid-range or high-range system, or a complete shit store-bought PC that doesn't even have a video card from one or two years ago. In which case, they could just buy a new video card and be fine.

[Sephirex]

6 year old card? Let me guess, you running Win98 Special Edition also? Time for some upgrades pal.

PC gaming has been dead for many since this last console generation. Some will need to be gently ushered back into the fold.

[Astrok]

6 year old card? Let me guess, you running Win98 Special Edition also? Time for some upgrades pal.

Its not about my damn pc im talking in general geeeez.

i got a i7 with gtx 680 so im fine lol

[Emperor]

One thing I've noticed, in terms of demographics, is that FPS players generally tend to keep current with technology over traditional MMO players. I know traditional MMO players running on 7-year-old stone age rigs; most FPS players seem to stay within 2 years of current tech or less.

I don't imagine that the demographic of PC FPS players PS2 is aiming for will be affected by strict requirements; the devs are already being pretty lenient by optimizing the game for PCs up to 5 years old, going by some interviews.

[Astrok]

One thing I've noticed, in terms of demographics, is that FPS players generally tend to keep current with technology over traditional MMO players. I know traditional MMO players running on 7-year-old stone age rigs; most FPS players seem to stay within 2 years of current tech or less.

I don't imagine that the demographic of PC FPS players PS2 is aiming for will be affected by strict requirements; the devs are already being pretty lenient by optimizing the game for PCs up to 5 years old, going by some interviews.

well they say it but a core2duo is around 5 years old and they say it cant be run on it probable(tweet from john smedley himself)

[SergeantNubins]

Well that's great for you but since the 2008 economic collapse people have greatly diminished disposable income.

Yea i was made redundant twice. Didn't stop me being able to spend £150 on an upgrade once in 3-4 years (IE £4 put aside for each month). Not only that but the cost of pc components have come down a great deal. It costs me £50 to add an extra 8gb of DDR3 ram last month, when i got the original 4gb this thing had it cost me nearly £200.

I suspect the real reason why the upgrade cycle might have slowed down, is because games are being made for the consoles primarily. Its the one favour I think they've done for pc gaming, forcing devs to squeeze the most of the hardware because they cant exect their target audience to keep upgrading anymore.

[Emperor]

well they say it but a core2duo is around 5 years old and they say it cant be run on it probable(tweet from john smedley himself)
Core 2 Duo was always pretty low-end anyway. They put it in eMachines. :lol:

[Pavilo Olson]

You can probably get away with using a 9400GT if you are an Nvidia Fanboy or a HD 5670 if your an ATI guy. With at least Dual core and 3/4Gb of RAM.

I use a ATI HD5670 with a Athlon II x4 and 8Gb of RAM and i can run BF3 in Medium/High settings smoothly.

[Atlas]

Poor student with a lower-end system reporting in o7.

If I get into a tech test or whatever soon (im EU based) i'll post specs and how well it ran at whatever settings etc etc.

[Gonefshn]

We have only seen the game running on high settings.

Honestly since this is a PC exclusive it's going to be attracting PC gamers which will likely have a PC that can run the game.

I'm not worried about this issue honestly.

[Comet]

Well, if they can't make the game run on older PC's they aren't going to sustain a large player base so it's in their best interest to make it viable on lower end machines.

My computer is only 3 years old with a 5800 series card, 8 GB RAM and is a dual core system. No way in hell am I shelling out over $1K to get a new computer if this game doesn't run on a 3 year old computer built for gaming.

Everquest 2 repeat incoming?

[Pavilo Olson]

It costs me £50 to add an extra 8gb of DDR3 ram last month, when i got the original 4gb this thing had it cost me nearly £200.

You are being ripped off completely, you can get 8Gb of RAM for about £34,
4Gb of ram for 200? My god, scam alert.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Kingston-1333MHz-DDR3-Non-ECC-Memory/dp/B002K23V1Q/ref=pd_sim_computers_2

[Sephirex]

You are being ripped off completely, you can get 8Gb of RAM for about £34,
4Gb of ram for 200? My god, scam alert.


Depends what year it was when he originally bought the 4 gb of ram.

[Emperor]

Ram is so cheap these days you can get 4gb of DDR3 out of a Crackerjack box.

[SgtExo]

Well, if they can't make the game run on older PC's they aren't going to sustain a large player base so it's in their best interest to make it viable on lower end machines.

My computer is only 3 years old with a 5800 series card, 8 GB RAM and is a dual core system. No way in hell am I shelling out over $1K to get a new computer if this game doesn't run on a 3 year old computer built for gaming.

Everquest 2 repeat incoming?

I do believe you will be able to run the game without to many problems, your setup seems to be a good representation of a mid range machine and that is the target that should be aimed at.

[Comet]

Yeah but RAM isn't going to make the biggest difference in gameplay. Need that high processor speed and good video card.

SgtExo, yeah I am hoping so. I just took a second look at my specs and it's an i7 CPU. I'm not that great with computers but from what I have read it seems middle of the road.

I am hoping the game is still great for lower-end PCs though. Otherwise, PS2 won't have that large player base :( I know they know this, I just hope they get it right.

[Arcsilver]

Not too much of an expert with computers but, compared to the rigs you guys listed, would my A6-3420 6gb ram and AMD Radeon HD 6650M vid card work? Or will need to go out and buy a new computer...

[Top Sgt]

some of you are panicking for no reason

this game is a free2 play game.. Your not gonna need a monster PC tp run it.. SOE needs to make money in getting you to buy stuff from the store.. they can't do that if older low level PC's can't play the game just fine.

Don't believe the hype about having to have the highest of everything.. it's overkill and all E-peen stuff.

Game is designed to run at release with 4-5 year old PC's able to run it just fine. SOE is not dumb.

Relax wait a bit. and test ur system when you get in beta first.

[SergeantNubins]

You are being ripped off completely, you can get 8Gb of RAM for about £34,
4Gb of ram for 200? My god, scam alert.

http://www.amazon.co.uk/Kingston-1333MHz-DDR3-Non-ECC-Memory/dp/B002K23V1Q/ref=pd_sim_computers_2

I think you misread.. 4gb of ddr3 .. 3-4 years ago, cost £200.

[Comet]

I will not relax!!!!

.....

>.>
<.<

[Arcsilver]

some of you are panicking for no reason

this game is a free2 play game.. Your not gonna need a monster PC tp run it.. SOE needs to make money in getting you to buy stuff from the store.. they can't do that if older low level PC's can't play the game just fine.

Don't believe the hype about having to have the highest of everything.. it's overkill and all E-peen stuff.

Game is designed to run at release with 4-5 year old PC's able to run it just fine. SOE is not dumb.

Relax wait a bit. and test ur system when you get in beta first.
I understand this and I believe ya. But it came straight from Smedley's mouth that an 8800 gtx isn't working for ps2.

But i guess its just the tech test and it'll all eventually be covered.

[Figment]

I don't think they'll be pulling a Crysis. :p

People who have a 6-7 year old are probably going to have to replace it soonish anyway since it'll fart a few blue screens and die anyway eventually.

[Arkanor]

You are being ripped off completely, you can get 8Gb of RAM for about £34,
4Gb of ram for 200? My god, scam alert.


Did you not read that post at all?

[goneglockin]

Ah yes, tinkering with PS1 back in ought '4 was serious business.

I remember SOE made my "low res" sound files mod available as an optional download to cut down on RAM usage. Grey Falcon helped me out getting them to put it on the launch window.

When I started playing I had p4 single core and x800 gfx card. I soon found myself going shopping.

The BF3 comparison seems accurate; on PC that's a target audience of about 2 million players.

We're probably gonna get a small fraction of that. I'm hoping for 10-15% conversion. 200K+ Players at launch.

[IgloGlass]

I don't think they'll be pulling a Crysis. :p

People who have a 6-7 year old are probably going to have to replace it soonish anyway since it'll fart a few blue screens and die anyway eventually.

That's just the thing.. They are pulling a Crysis ._.

But not in the same way. The game will cater to all PC-gamers, even those with rigs that are a few years old.
That is because the engine has been developed in such a way that all settings are highly customisable, like a PC game should be.

This means that a very "bad" computer could play the game but you could also crank up the settings so that no, and I literally mean no, PC in the world right now could possible hope of attaining 60 FPS. Those settings are things like draw shadow distances of two kilometers which just sound ludacris right now but probably won't be in 3-4 years.

God I love this game so much

[GLaDOS]

My computer is godawful, (AMD Turion Dual Core Processor, 2.3 GHz, 4GB RAM, ATI Radeon HD 4250), but I'm actually somewhat hopeful it will run this game, although obviously with everything turned all the way down, as usual. Does anyone know if this is stupid? Mind you, I'm not going for an ultra-high framerate or anything, since I was only a console gamer until about a year ago, and I hear those have low framerates compared to PC's. I also have no problem with having an even lower framerate than that for the game, since I'm used to that on my crappy PC. If it means anything, I can run Crysis Warhead on minimum settings smooth enough.

[MrMorton]

john smedley posted pc's with a dual core processor and a 8800gtx will not be able(atleast not enjoy gameplay) the game.

will this be all over again that most people do not have the requirements to play this game?

im fine i got a i7 but most people aint.

because your processor determines whether you can play graphically demanding games.............

[Landtank]

because your processor determines whether you can play graphically demanding games.............

No, but it does do calculations, including every single clientside calculation necessary.

That's a shit ton of calculations.

[kaibutzu]

I understand this and I believe ya. But it came straight from Smedley's mouth that an 8800 gtx isn't working for ps2.

But i guess its just the tech test and it'll all eventually be covered.

8800 is also like 6+ years old and they said ps2 will work on 4-5 year old pcs

[Pyreal]

My last upgrade was for Skyrim.

.. and the lizard that burned out my PSU.

[Arcsilver]

8800 is also like 6+ years old and they said ps2 will work on 4-5 year old pcs
Is this the 8800 you're referring to? http://videocardbenchmark.net/gpu.php?gpu=GeForce+8800+GTX

According to that site, unfortunately, the 8800 is much better than my HD 6650M. That, or I'm lost and i'm looking at the wrong card.

[Sirisian]

I think the best thing we can do as a community is to keep the tech forum full of tech educated people that can assist people in building their own inexpensive computers. My friend just bought and built his new computer for Planetside 2 apparently using decent hardware under a budget.

Really we shouldn't be placing unreasonable expectations on Planetside 2's minimum specs. Running on hardware that barely ran PS1 for instance shouldn't be expected even on low. People seem to blow this out of proportions. If someone wants to play this game they know they'll need a decent computer. The same thing when people wanted to play BF3 and upgraded to run it.

The last thing I'd want to see is for the minimum requirements to actually cut into the gameplay experience which was one of my original fears, but it looks like they aren't doing that. (No turning off smoke or turning it down to see through it and such or so it seems).

[ArmedZealot]

No, but it does do calculations, including every single clientside calculation necessary.

That's a shit ton of calculations.

...

herp derp calculations.

I guess graphics cards use their imagination to complete the graphics pipeline.

[Landtank]

...

herp derp calculations.

I guess graphics cards use their imagination to complete the graphics pipeline.

Hah alright alright, what I meant was that there is a shit ton to process in terms of CPU, especially since this is an MMOFPS. Most MMO's require a decent processor over a video card, this one requires a decent both.

methinkz

[GLaDOS]

My computer is godawful, (AMD Turion Dual Core Processor, 2.3 GHz, 4GB RAM, ATI Radeon HD 4250), but I'm actually somewhat hopeful it will run this game, although obviously with everything turned all the way down, as usual. Does anyone know if this is stupid? Mind you, I'm not going for an ultra-high framerate or anything, since I was only a console gamer until about a year ago, and I hear those have low framerates compared to PC's. I also have no problem with having an even lower framerate than that for the game, since I'm used to that on my crappy PC. If it means anything, I can run Crysis Warhead on minimum settings smooth enough.

I guess it's sort of annoying to just bring this over to the next page, but I think some people might not have noticed it on the bottom of the last one, so yeah...

[ArmedZealot]

Hah alright alright, what I meant was that there is a shit ton to process in terms of CPU, especially since this is an MMOFPS. Most MMO's require a decent processor over a video card, this one requires a decent both.

methinkz

Yeah. I'm hoping that PS2 makes good use of PhysX to pull that load away from the CPU though.

[TazmamzaT]

Don't worry guise, a little birdy told me that your GPU wont be the main contender in this game, it will be your CPU. I see it if you have a quad core or a really nice dual core or a GPU that makes up for it you will be absolutely fine.

[Winfernal]

Quads are pretty much standard now...

because your processor determines whether you can play graphically demanding games.............

It's an MMO. Soo... the graphics aren't the only demand here.

[Landtank]

Quads are pretty much standard now...



It's an MMO. Soo... the graphics aren't the only demand here.

D: I have a dual!

IM BELOW STANDARDS

[Ninjacalypse]

Ain't what?

Anyways I've heard someone say they ran it fine on a Pentium 2 dual core with 2 gb ram with low settings. Not proof by any means, but we might be okay.

My desktop is a dual core 3.2ghz, 6gb ram with a 1gb NVIDIA gpu. So far I haven't had any issues running BF3, Arkham City, Skyrim, etc, etc.

I can run these games on high or mixed med-high graphic settings, no probs.

[Karrade]

Just the nature of PC games and especially shooters, better hardware = advantage. It's not that the game won't play on older machines, it's those guys may be disadvantaged and significantly so. This being F2P title they will need all the players they can get.

In my experience many of the advanced video settings in games disadvantage players, not the other way around.

Fog/Dust/Cloud Cover, in past games as examples with these removed you usually had an advantage over someone dealing with them.

[Coreldan]

Smedley didnt say that an 8800 would not work, he just said that a core 2 duo and a 8800 probably doesnt make the game very fun due to performance obviously being quite bad.

I'm pretty sure you can get the game running, but probably at minimum with low FPS :D

You can't expect that when they say "5 year old systems" would mean that the same 5 year old system gets the same performance as a newer system :D That said, Ive understood there's been quite a leap in these 5 years and I believe the "end of dual core's reign" was in the beginning of those 5 years and then quad cores came along and were vastly superior and they arnt even expensive.

Wow, what an incoherent post... I'll blame it on leaving on a 8 day business trip and most likely missing some PS2 goodness thanks to that.

[snaffe]

I just spent 600 quid on a travel system (pram), 200 quid on ladders, another 300 quid on a new front door - run a car, have a house. That's excluding...car seat, getting married last year 10K.

Goddamnit I want to be a student/kid again and spend 1400 quid on a computer jesus! :)

[AzureWatcher]

I just spent 600 quid on a travel system (pram), 200 quid on ladders, another 300 quid on a new front door - run a car, have a house. That's excluding...car seat, getting married last year 10K.

Goddamnit I want to be a student/kid again and spend 1400 quid on a computer jesus! :)

It's your fault for getting married. The #1 trap that gamers fall into. Next she'll be bugging you to quit playing video games because they're for children. =P

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Well, anyways, if people still have 6 year old GPUs then I really doubt there's hope for them. Personally, I upgrade every 2-3 years.