Feel a little betrayed by tech test

[Radant-J]

dont give a fuck anymore
let the thread die

[TheDAWinz]

Of all the anecdotes and stories posted here about who got into the tech test, now that it is basically over, it seems the vast majority of the tech-testers weren't PS1 vets, but rather the lowest priority beta invitees.

I know that the real Beta invites are just around the corner and in the grand scope of things it shouldn't irk me so much, and yet it does. The whole point of the tech test isn't to reward certain players, or even to build hype for the game [hence the NDA], but rather to test out different hardware to see if the game will be compatible. Couldn't SOE have limited the test invites to Station Accounts with PS1 experience first and foremost? After which, if there weren't enough people testing the game, to THEN send invites to those with no PS history?


I know for a fact that many PS1 players have identical hardware to those who were invited, so it really isn't a matter of not having the right specs. I've seen the following argument posed on this forum: "SOE should invite 'scrubs' and 'newbies' with highest priority because, unlike a PS1 Vet, they will make mistakes that will smooth out the experience for most new players." [Looking for Quests, Teamkilling, PVE mindset]

But I submit the following: These things should be obvious. Restraints for TKers are a no-brainer, an easy-to-use interface and tutorial is already provided. This game is a first person shooter, not a traditional RPG. Any effort to make Planetside 2 easier for new players is a task well within the abilities of the talented developers.


PS1 players are not only veterans to the original game, but to First Person Shooters as a genre. All of you reading this thread know the basics of how to shoot and pilot vehicles, to say the very least. The TRUE value of testing with PS1 players is that they will be testing the minutiae of the game.

[I]Who is more likely to discover a small and random bug, a new player who can't figure out which targets are enemies or friendlies, or a veteran player who will try to exploit the games flaws?

Planetside 2 Community event "Uncut" (No game-play) - YouTube

Stop QQ'ing, they don't know who people are when they look at specs.

[Bittermen]

Entitled cry baby.

[Greenthy]

Planetside 2 Community event "Uncut" (No game-play) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQ9NqBWhbOg&feature=player_detailpage#t=280s)

Stop QQ'ing, they don't know who people are when they look at specs.

Read the post before u act all high and mighty please :)

I agree with the vid as well as the post.
Neither are excluding the other though:
Vets that play for 9years can get mad in that manner about ppl that play(ed) for 2 years.

It is however strange that SOE couldn't find the correct specs in the pool of priority users. Obviously no attempt was made.
Now I'm not QQing, just merely stating it is weird (as is the OP)

[AThreatToYou]

the tech test is to test the tech not the game

[Bags]

Entitled cry baby.

Hey, radant-j made a really good trailer for PS1, much better than SOE could ever hope to do. Show some respect.

[ThGlump]

I dont know on what base you make those numbers (maybe on regards you didnt get in) but there are tons ps1 vets in beta now.

[TheDAWinz]

Read the post before u act all high and mighty please :)

I agree with the vid as well as the post.
Neither are excluding the other though:
Vets that play for 9years can get mad in that manner about ppl that play(ed) for 2 years.

It is however strange that SOE couldn't find the correct specs in the pool of priority users. Obviously no attempt was made.
Now I'm not QQing, just merely stating it is weird (as is the OP)

What? This makes zero sense in relation the post i made.

[Radant-J]

I'm sorry you think something that would benefit the production of this game is "entitlement".

DAWinz:
Parsing for who among the invitees has a PS1 account or does not is not difficult.

[Greenthy]

the tech test is to test the tech not the game

Well true, but thats not how ppl see it:
They play the game (even if it's limited, that's the same as it would be in early beta)

I also doubt they'll be removed for when the actual beta starts, that would be really weird.

[TheDAWinz]

I'm sorry you think something that would benefit the production of this game is "entitlement".

DAWinz:
Parsing for who among the invitees has a PS1 account or does not is not difficult.

You're a vet correct? What makes you more entitled to play a completely new game more so than the next average joe schmoe? Nothing does, you just played a game that some people didn't. How does that entitle you to something?

[Greenthy]

What? This makes zero sense in relation the post i made.

So now you'll have to read both his and your post to see the connection :)
(Trolling ?:groovy:)

[Radant-J]

Also:
I don't care if a player has played Planetside for one year, or for nine. If you post on these forums, you've already displayed an interest in the series more than the average person with a Beta code. You deserve to be in that test more than they do, not out of entitlement, but out of your experience to playtest and recognize SOME resemblance of balance, akin to the previous game.

[TheDAWinz]

So now you'll have to read both his and your post to see the connection :)
(Trolling ?:groovy:)

Yes, im trolling because the Devs were adressing all of the "Vets" who didn't get in and would start QQing.

Also:
I don't care if a player has played Planetside for one year, or for nine. If you post on these forums, you've already displayed an interest in the series more than the average person with a Beta code. You deserve to be in that test more than they do, not out of entitlement, but out of your experience to playtest.

Uhh hate to break it to you, but not even 5% of the population that will play Planetside 2 posts on these forums, hell, out of the 20 friends i know who i showed planetside 2 to and have beta keys want to get their hands on the game so badly. They show great interest, but they don't post on these forums. This is a fansite, not official.

[Greenthy]

Yes, im trolling because the Devs were adressing all of the "Vets" who didn't get in and would start QQing.

Clearly you misheard, as it's about there always being 'a guy' that will QQ because he thinks he's entitled more than somebody else who got in.
(As will be the case in a gradually ramped up beta)

Priority users and non-priority users however =
clear distinction between the two.
It is even if you pick from the priority list, you'll still get ppl to QQ in this manner.

If these players stay in beta (not saying they can't) it would just mean their views on the priority list are not the same as the community has understood them to be.

[Sephirex]

Almost seems like they went out of their way to get non-vets and people without keys, based on the people I'm hearing getting invites.

Not sure what's up. Maybe they want to make sure everything's up to par before they get the more rabid fans in.

I did notice that idiot who posted the youtube video, referred to it as a stress test weekend and made it sound like he wouldn't be seeing the rest of the game. Of course, he was full of misinformation so who knows.

[TheDAWinz]

Clearly you misheard, as it's about there always being 'a guy' that will QQ because he thinks he's entitled more than somebody else who got in.
(As will be the case in a gradually ramped up beta)

Priority users and non-priority users however =
clear distinction between the two.
It is even if you pick from the priority list, you'll still get ppl to QQ in this manner.

If these players stay in beta (not saying they can't) it would just mean their views on the priority list are not the same as the community has understood them to be.

Thats what i was saying...

[Ranik Ortega]

Almost seems like they went out of their way to get non-vets and people without keys, based on the people I'm hearing getting invites.

Not sure what's up. Maybe they want to make sure everything's up to par before they get the more rabid fans in.

I hope they are not listening to crap advice from non vets. There are enough poor changes as is.

[counterlogic]

I think this is all moot. Pretty much every vet I know with a leet computer thats been closely following the game got in by last night. I myself am not included in this list but I expected that due to computer specs. Only know one or two with non 'leet' specs that got in, and even still much better than mine.

[Radant-J]

Uhh hate to break it to you, but not even 5% of the population that will play Planetside 2 posts on these forums, hell, out of the 20 friends i know who i showed planetside 2 to and have beta keys want to get their hands on the game so badly. They show great interest, but they don't post on these forums. This is a fansite, not official.

I agree. If anything, the number is LESS than 5%. The amount of players who will play PS2 dwarfs the number of PS1 players, especially those who post on forums official or not.

So basically, we have this small upper-crust of the playerbase who has experience with the series, with First Person Shooters, with balance [more or less], and perhaps most of all, with the frustrations of the first game's shortcomings.

If I wanted to create an awesome product, I would seek these people out first, and ask them if the new product was more enjoyable than the last, and invite them to try to break it, because you had better believe those who have little to no love for PS will be the first to attempt to hack and exploit it :)

[Sephirex]

I hope they are not listening to crap advice from non vets. There are enough poor changes as is.

It's a tech test. They're not looking at balancing.

[OutlawDr]

Of all the anecdotes and stories posted here about who got into the tech test, now that it is basically over, it seems the vast majority of the tech-testers weren't PS1 vets, but rather the lowest priority beta [I]invitees.

https://dl.dropbox.com/u/6636384/Funny/paranoia.gif

Honestly, this is getting silly :lol:

[TheDAWinz]

It's a tech test. They're not looking at balancing.

That will be beta :)

[BlueSkies]

There are vets in the tech test. You just aren't one of them.

[Greenthy]

Thats what i was saying...

I know that was wat you were saying in principal, but posting it on this thread is more like saying it also goes for these cases (non priority getting in before priority). While priority > non-priority is the general offically communicated order of the invites.

Hence if we conclude that it's normal that priority > non-priority : It is strange that they couldn't find the specs in the priority pool, and thus said arguments (OP) are a bit weird.

[TheDAWinz]

I know that was wat you were saying in principal, but posting it on this thread is more like saying it also goes for these cases (non priority getting in before priority). While priority > non-priority is the general offically communicated order of the invites.

Hence if we conclude that it's normal that priority > non-priority : It is strange that they couldn't find the specs in the priority pool, and thus said arguments (OP) are a bit weird.

Well, it all depends really, the priority pool will also include people outside this fansite, so that could be like, ALOT of the tech testers.

[GhettoPrince]

People have been playing team based online games for more than ten years now, planetside 2 is on a larger scale, but it won't take the average person more than a few minutes to adjust to that.

Playing planetside doesn't make you some kind of special super gamer.

[TheDAWinz]

People have been playing team based online games for more than ten years now, planetside 2 is on a larger scale, but it won't take the average person more than a few minutes to adjust to that.

Just because you played planetside doesn't make you some kind of special super gamer.

What about project reality :P

[Badjuju]

It was a tech test based on system specs alone. No reason for them to wast their time ensuring that every system not only had the appropriate specs but was also a PS1 vet for such a short test. This wasn't the stage in beta where they said they would start letting in vets. It was solely to test a range of system specs before they started the beta invites. Them giving vets priority is a courtesy as well which they didn't have to do. Beta is to help them develop the game, not to allow you early access. Quit with the QQ, beta will start soon enough.

[Flaropri]

Of all the anecdotes and stories posted here about who got into the tech test, now that it is basically over, it seems the vast majority of the tech-testers weren't PS1 vets, but rather the lowest priority beta [I]invitees.

Two things:

1. I dislike making an assumption like the majority being non PS1 vets based on anecdotes. A lot of anecdotes are brought about because (a) of the video by the idiot that's come up a lot in multiple threads and (b) people being upset about it happening at all.

You go on to say you know "for a fact" that there are PS1 Vets (not in the Tech Test) with the same system rig, but I don't understand how you can know that for certain, especially when you are basing the majority of your impression on anecdotes. There are of course also regional considerations.


2. Familiarity effects perspective. Just because you think something "should be obvious" doesn't mean it is, nor that it gets the attention it should get even if people are aware of the potential (or actual) issue. If you're familiar with a problem you might not test it as readily, or think it is as important as it may be.

I agree that people who are familiar with a system are better able to test things like balance, but different perspectives could help bring into question what mechanisms can be problematic to those who aren't familiar, or even whether or not mechanisms should exist in the first place. And that kind of feedback should occur at a relatively early stage to avoid having more and more balance based on it if it needs to be changed or removed.


Ultimately, my second point isn't too important, it just addresses much of your own post.

While they are no doubt getting game-play feedback during Tech Test it isn't the reason or focus of the test itself. I would honestly be disappointed as well if SOE didn't pull from Priority lists first and just went at random... and I'm NOT on Priority Lists (I don't even have a Key) but I don't think it's important enough to be a problem, just mildly disappointing that they aren't that well organized.

[Erendil]

Hey, radant-j made a really good trailer for PS1, much better than SOE could ever hope to do. Show some respect.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?feature=player_detailpage&v=rlWeviMacFw

Radant <3


My only issue with the Tech Test was the survey itself. It wasn't exactly what I would call thorough. It didn't ask for basic things like sound card info, for example. It didn't even allow for people who had more than one PC at their disposal. And since I'm upgrading my rig specifically for PS2 I actually have 2 sets of specs I could've submitted, one of which is 5 years old, and one that is <1 month old.

[Littleman]

Despite the test being called a tech test, no developer in their right mind would pass up collecting data on everything that is going on within PS2's tech test.

Which faction is racking up the most kills per person and with what weaponry? This is something I'm confident they can and have been tracking since the test began. Which vehicle do most people end up dying in? Which aircraft tends to crash into a building or mountain the most?

Everything is valuable, this "tech test" might as well be SOE exploiting a loop hole in terminologies to get in new bloods before the PS1 vets, but we do understand that client and server stability is a big issue to tackle. They realistically can't ask players to do a specific task repetitively: people would sooner log off. The most they'll ask of players is to not use X equipment or use only Y equipment to fight with, and possibly fill out a survey if they crash. Tech testers are just playing the game, nothing more demanding than that. "Tech" test indeed... Anyone with a lick of sense would understand this stuff happens during beta testing too.

Doesn't matter what it's called, it's a test, and they'll be concerned with everything, they're just prioritizing the issues they'll tackle and mind you, not everyone on the team focuses on the same thing. In short, I'm calling SOE out on clever, if sleazy, use of terminology. I'm biased though, so calling it sleazy might be uncalled for.

Their choice of random users over vets/PCGamer keys that in all probability have the specs they're looking for (unless there's just that few of us) supports my loop hole claim in that they're using the term "tech test" to circumvent their claim that they'll prioritize keys and vets for beta testing invites, but it's just a theory with no hard evidence to back it up.

Don't take what they're calling the current test at face value. It's more of an indicator of what state the game is in and their focus in the test, but there's literally no difference in how a player tests a tech test and how a player tests a beta test: They are simply expected to PLAY, if sometimes within non-standard rule sets.

[Bittermen]

Hey, radant-j made a really good trailer for PS1, much better than SOE could ever hope to do. Show some respect.

So what I made a trailer for PS2...

I'm just saying...

ENTIRE TEAM IZ BABIES!

[Greenthy]

Despite the test being called a tech test, no developer in their right mind would pass up collecting data on everything that is going on within PS2's tech test.

Which faction is racking up the most kills per person and with what weaponry? This is something I'm confident they can and have been tracking since the test began. Which vehicle do most people end up dying in? Which aircraft tends to crash into a building or mountain the most?

Everything is valuable, this "tech test" might as well be SOE exploiting a loop hole in terminologies to get in new bloods before the PS1 vets, but we do understand that client and server stability is a big issue to tackle. They realistically can't ask players to do a specific task repetitively: people would sooner log off. The most they'll ask of players is to not use X equipment or use only Y equipment to fight with, and possibly fill out a survey if they crash. Tech testers are just playing the game, nothing more demanding than that. "Tech" test indeed... Anyone with a lick of sense would understand this stuff happens during beta testing too.

Doesn't matter what it's called, it's a test, and they'll be concerned with everything, they're just prioritizing the issues they'll tackle and mind you, not everyone on the team focuses on the same thing. In short, I'm calling SOE out on clever, if sleazy, use of terminology. I'm biased though, so calling it sleazy might be uncalled for.

Their choice of random users over vets/PCGamer keys that in all probability have the specs they're looking for (unless there's just that few of us) supports my loop hole claim in that they're using the term "tech test" to circumvent their claim that they'll prioritize keys and vets for beta testing invites, but it's just a theory with no hard evidence to back it up.

Don't take what they're calling the current test at face value. It's more of an indicator of what state the game is in and their focus in the test, but there's literally no difference in how a player tests a tech test and how a player tests a beta test: They are simply expected to PLAY, if sometimes within non-standard rule sets.

I agree that it isn't for the main reason of running on the player's PC, as far as I know that's the main point of a beta.

I'd say it would more likely be a PR stunt in building up hype and having less QQ while they test the servers capabilities of handling out-of-house testers.
Given it's more of testing the server (plus the added runnable spec issues) it deserves the term Tech Test :)


Imagine if they would've said it was Beta and that 80% of us (*thin-air number*) just isn't in yet while they test if the basics is working.

[DarkChiron]

I don't care who they choose to let into the thing, but I am baffled by people signing up for the beta of a game they obviously don't give a shit about.

[KTNApollo]

Oh, look, another entitlement thread. Lock this thread please.

[Littleman]

I agree that it isn't for the main reason of running on the player's PC, as far as I know that's the main point of a beta.

I'd say it would more likely be a PR stunt in building up hype and having less QQ while they test the servers capabilities of handling out-of-house testers.
Given it's more of testing the server (plus the added runnable spec issues) it deserves the term Tech Test :)


Imagine if they would've said it was Beta and that 80% of us (*thin-air number*) just isn't in yet while they test if the basics is working.

Lol, I think beyond stress testing servers just to see if they can handle the load, it wouldn't matter if they brought in new guys or vets. The people following this game and NOT in yet will be pissed, regardless of what the test is called, as evidenced by the number of threads that keep cropping up.

I really do believe calling it a tech test is just a clever use of terminology. It's working on Duke after all (they have confirmed they're hunting down and squashing bugs too, btw ;) )

A test is a test is a test. They'll be trouble shooting people's hardware for a LONG time to come. Does anyone here really think we'll be working with 600 series Nvidia cards, 3.0-4.0ghz processors and Windows 7 10 years down the road?

The most important thing they're getting out of this is server load data. For everyone else, they're just asked to play within the parameters set for them and hoping the game doesn't crash. So far this seems to be just fighting within the area designated for combat. Trust me, if people aren't having fun during the test, they won't log in. They owe SOE nothing, despite how valuable WE might think an invite is.

Again, I really don't care what they call it, they're not excluding the collection of any data they can collect. This is not a question of "how do you know!?" but rather a realistic expectation of efficient and logical use of testing.

[Sephirex]

Oh, look, another entitlement thread. Lock this thread please.

Lock 1 and 10 more rise in their place.
It's obvious what we'll have to do.
Rename the game Super Mega Sci Fi Battles Online and purge all ties to Planetside.

[TheDAWinz]

Lock 1 and 10 more rise in their place.
It's obvious what we'll have to do.
Rename the game Super Mega Sci Fi Battles Online and purge all ties to Planetside.

Like a pheonix these will rise again, or like higby's hair.

[SFJake]

All I have to add to this topic is not very useful, but there it is. Just in case: This is pointed only at people whining about not being in the tech test.

Its just a god damn tech test. Get over it, go cry a river, and then come back to your guaranteed beta spot where things are actually going to be ready to be enjoyed to a much higher degree.


Whats even more pathetic is that you basically take a promise they made to you which they did NOT break (you,re going in the BETA, not the tech test) and turn it around and spit it in their face like ungrateful brats.

If I was them, I'd strip you of your veteran rank and throw your IP on the ban list. Luckily for you, they would never treat their costumers this way.

But thats exactly all you deserve.


What a freakin' joke. How to make humanity look so sad.

[TheDAWinz]

All I have to add to this topic is not very useful, but there it is. Just in case: This is pointed only at people whining about not being in the tech test.

Its just a god damn tech test. Get over it, go cry a river, and then come back to your guaranteed beta spot where things are actually going to be ready to be enjoyed to a much higher degree.


Whats even more pathetic is that you basically take a promise they made to you which they did NOT break (you,re going in the BETA, not the tech test) and turn it around and spit it in their face like ungrateful brats.

If I was them, I'd strip you of your veteran rank and throw your IP on the ban list. Luckily for you, they would never treat their costumers this way.

But thats exactly all you deserve.


What a freakin' joke. How to make humanity look so sad.

Couldn't agree more.

[Captain1nsaneo]

You know... if I were the Devs, I'd probably pick all new people for tech test because I could safely ignore their balance complaints and focus on fixing tech problems instead.

[Xyntech]

You know... if I were the Devs, I'd probably pick all new people for tech test because I could safely ignore their balance complaints and focus on fixing tech problems instead.

lol, that's a good point.

On the other hand, I already know for a fact that there are quite a lot of PS1 vets who are in the tech test. My bet is that the percentage of people willing to break NDA is a lot higher among non vets than vets, which is why it seems like there are only non vets currently in the game.

My guess is that they randomly selected people who met the specs they were looking for. The pool of people was probably lopsided, with more newcomers than vets, and this is probably reflected in the random selection in the tech test. My guess would be something like 1 third vets, 2 thirds non vets.

This really is a non issue. The official beta is probably going to be here in a week or two, at which point vets and PCGamer key holders are going to far outnumber the other testers for quite a while. Nobody is entitled to anything, so let's all just try and stay appreciative that we're going to get into the actual closed beta a lot sooner than a lot of people.

[Raymac]

Relax. There is plenty of time to feel "betrayed" when you don't get in on the first wave of real beta invites.

[Zerik]

Some vets in, others not. As much as I F5'd my email, I can certainly live with my guaranteed spot in the beta not so far down the road.

Then I can hunt down my 'friend' rubbing his invite into the tech test into my face, and shoot the NC dog dead. :groovy:
(and yes, he's a veteran aswell)

[Xyntech]

Relax. There is plenty of time to feel "betrayed" when you don't get in on the first wave of real beta invites.

That's certainly when I intend to feel betrayed.

So betrayed :(

lol

[Littleman]

I'll be giving them a full week if SOE has daily invites once closed beta "officially" starts then once that week is up and still no invite, finally I'll turn to drinking to drown my sorrows... maybe.

I ****ing hate the taste of pop, let alone beer. What can I say? My throat and stomach involuntarily gag on carbonated/fizzy drinks. And really, I just don't care to drink alcohol.

[Rivenshield]

So ronery....

Relax, folks. We're all more or less guaranteed to get in before go-live.

[The Degenatron]

Obviously the devs have made an egregious mistake because they did not invite ME.

I am clearly the best candidate for the tech test because I am far more intelligent than anyone else.

Not moving my name to the first invitee spot clearly shows their selection process was woefully inadequate.

[Sephirex]

Obviously the devs have made an egregious mistake because they did not invite ME.

I am clearly the best candidate for the tech test because I am far more intelligent than anyone else.

Not moving my name to the first invitee spot clearly shows their selection process was woefully inadequate.

You forgot the point that the game will now clearly be ruined since you can't give emergency feed-back to the devs to save it from the unwashed masses.

That's easily my favorite repeat posting.

[vVRedOctoberVv]

Maybe because whether or not you've played PS1 doesn't matter. This OP sounds very much like "complaining/whining"

They don't CARE if anybody played PS1. They TOOK A RANDOM SAMPLE FROM THE APPLICANTS!!!!!!

You'll get to play the video game soon. I don't see the point of starting a thread solely for the purpose of complaining that somebody else got to play and you didn't. And however you want to word it, that is exactly what it boils down to. God... people...


The mods guy has competition for most pointless thread :)

[TheDAWinz]

Maybe because whether or not you've played PS1 doesn't matter. This OP sounds very much like "complaining/whining"

They don't CARE if anybody played PS1. They TOOK A RANDOM SAMPLE FROM THE APPLICANTS!!!!!!

You'll get to play the video game soon. I don't see the point of starting a thread solely for the purpose of complaining that somebody else got to play and you didn't. And however you want to word it, that is exactly what it boils down to. God... people...


The mods guy has competition for most pointless thread :)

No, this guy has proper format to list his pointless points. Lol oxymoron!

[Cutter]

Folks, no need to be rude. We alll feel slighted over something or other at some time and the OP has a valid point. However, this is simply part of life and there are more important things to dwell on. Try to step back and always look at the big picture. Over a 1/4 of the world's population goes hungry and doesn't have access to clean water. Millions literally starve to death every year, and we have a multitude of our own serious problems here at home. So just remember that whenever you're feeling hard done by - regardless of what it is - just remember you could be starving to death in some 3rd world country right now and luxuries like video games really don't amount to anything at all in that world.

[DarkChiron]

I think the game test process would be better served being performed by not dipshits.

Oh wait... we were supposed to mock someone pointlessly while pretending like we're the mature ones, right?

I think I did it wrong.

[Sephirex]

I think I did it wrong.

Nah, spot on.

[TheDAWinz]

I feel betrayed by the existence of this thread

[DarkChiron]

Nah, spot on.

Hurray! I'm fitting in!

[QuantumMechanic]

I do think the OP has a valid point. SOE could have taken test test applicants from the pool of vets/priority keyholders (the people who were supposed to get into the game first). The hardware surevy information is related to your SOE account which has your PS1 vet status and/or applied beta keys on it.

The point is - SOE didn't bother doing that. Either by mistake, or else they didn't care. Which was it? Who knows.

[Baneblade]

Here, have a Big Can of Shut the Hell Up.

I miss that outfit.

[OnexBigxHebrew]

Read the post before u act all high and mighty please :)

I agree with the vid as well as the post.
Neither are excluding the other though:
Vets that play for 9years can get mad in that manner about ppl that play(ed) for 2 years.

It is however strange that SOE couldn't find the correct specs in the pool of priority users. Obviously no attempt was made.
Now I'm not QQing, just merely stating it is weird (as is the OP)

You're right. No attempt was made.


BECAUSE THEY SAID THEY WERENT GOING TO MAKE ONE THE WHOLE TIME. TECH TEST WAS NOT ABOUT VETS, IT WAS ABOUT HARDWARE. They were as up-front and honest about this as anyone can be.

Besides, I would be very embarassed to be a grown man crying about being 'betrayed' by a corperation. They made you a video game about a decade ago. That doesn't make you a shareholder. Things change, people gotta work, grow up.

Jesus, 'vet this', 'vet that', what a bunch of entitled little brats. Its amazing how some vets can be so patient and self-aware while others seem to have made their PS1 status their lifes great purpose. You didn't build the pyramids, it wasn't work. You played a GAME. The difference is that when other moved on, you didn't.

Sorry to tell you, but when the gates open, it doesn't mean shit. The only thing that will make anyone elite are the zebra stipes they paid for.

Thank you to all the vets who are grown up and understand how stupid it is to make yet another retarded thread dramatizing the tech test as if the OP grew up with Higby and Smedley.

[moosepoop]

Arnold Schwarzenegger - Stop Whining - YouTube

[Rivenshield]

Jesus, 'vet this', 'vet that', what a bunch of entitled little brats.

Noob.

/flees

[OnexBigxHebrew]

Noob.

/flees

If it means not being naive and not posting stupid threads that make me sound like an 11 year old girl, I'm cool with being new.

[EVILPIG]

Wish I had seen this earlier. Seriously? If you really loved this game it would not matter. Give them their data. It has not started yet.

[Blackwolf]

I agree. If anything, the number is LESS than 5%. The amount of players who will play PS2 dwarfs the number of PS1 players, especially those who post on forums official or not.

So basically, we have this small upper-crust of the playerbase who has experience with the series, with First Person Shooters, with balance [more or less], and perhaps most of all, with the frustrations of the first game's shortcomings.

If I wanted to create an awesome product, I would seek these people out first, and ask them if the new product was more enjoyable than the last, and invite them to try to break it, because you had better believe those who have little to no love for PS will be the first to attempt to hack and exploit it :)

You and Greenthy should probably just... stop typing... or something.

Seriously I'm trying to say bad things, and yet I don't want to break rules. But stop giving me excuses to want to say bad things, and we'll be good. K?

You are crying because you didn't get to play the game. End of story. FFS please just stop posting!

I'm a vet. And I approve of this message. STFU whiney butt.

[noxious]

If I were developing PlanetSide 2 I wouldn't want people stuck in 2003 testing a game that's being released in 2012.

[soulsurfsublime]

Captain Hindsight says: "Lets not give 130k+ accounts priority access next time!"

http://4.bp.blogspot.com/-cCYbxxHhP6c/TwBLMYSgpvI/AAAAAAAAAOU/HKx7fxT7Nmo/s1600/hindsight2.jpg

[Blackwolf]

If I were developing PlanetSide 2 I wouldn't want people stuck in 2003 testing a game that's being released in 2012.

If I were an intelligent business man, I would want loyal customers to stay loyal. But that's just me, captain logical.

I may not agree with dudley do-little the OP crying because he didn't get into a tech test, but I'm equally in disagreement with you.

Brains people. No matter how hard you try, your gonna have to use em for something. You might as well use them for everything!

[Tehroth]

My friend got into beta and he never played an fps let alone ps1. He has a shitty system too and didn't even apply for beta, however I am glad he got into it rather then some self entitled prick who probably relies on government aid and thinks he "should" have it as well.

You are getting first round pick of beta, be happy you are getting anything at all.

[soulsurfsublime]

If I were an intelligent business man, I would want loyal customers to stay loyal. But that's just me, captain logical.


I was making a joke for starters. I have been playing BF and Elder Scrolls since they started, never needed a beta priority from Dice or Bethesda to stay loyal for over 10 years. I guess I just think its crazy that any company would publicly announce that they are making over 100k invites top priority. I have been in many beta's over the years and just think these post would be non-existent if you were either accepted to beta or you're weren't. Then just keep checking and wait for email.

I wish I had the client installed I will not lie. But I can wait a few more weeks.

[Rivenshield]

If it means not being naive and not posting stupid threads that make me sound like an 11 year old girl, I'm cool with being new.

I was pulling your leg. :p

[Haro]

This is a tech test: I can see no way that including a PS1 player over a non-PS1 player would improve the quality of the testing at all. People may not see it this way (certainly the one video uploader who is at the heart of all this mess certainly didn't understand his role) but the truth of the matter is, all they need is warm bodies to log in. TKing, no TKing, courtesy or experience is largely unimportant at this phase of the game. For the video uploader, the only thing he needs to face is that he broke the NDA, probably because he didn't read or understand it, and SOE will be the ones to handle him.

PS1 players are not entitled to anything in the tech test, as it is technically not beta. There would be no benefit to include them, therefore I don't think we should be chosen exclusively for this. The sole basis for this test should be to gauge it's effects on various hardware and software setups, and to move the game forward into it's next beta phase. Therefore, those who best suit their needs should be chosen, regardless of who they are.

Now, I am a bit intrigued as to how you procured the "facts" about who got into the tech test and who did not, who are PS1 vets and who are not, and what their tech specs are. After all, the game is under NDA, as you pointed out.

[Malorn]

It does seem a bit strange that they couldn't find all of the specs they wanted for the tech test from a pool of 100,000+ folks with priority beta access.

[Haro]

It does seem a bit strange that they couldn't find all of the specs they wanted for the tech test from a pool of 100,000+ folks with priority beta access.

Who's to say that they haven't? I'm a bit skeptical of the idea that everyone currently in the tech test is particularly brand new. We certainly cannot judge that from whatever videos have been sent out. If people are properly observing the NDA, then they should be keeping quiet about getting in.

Honestly, can we all just let this go? It really isn't a big deal. They probably used some random algorithm to determine who, of everyone matching their specifications, got in. There'd be no real benefit to including non-vets over others.

[Rockstone]

Who's to say that they haven't? I'm a bit skeptical of the idea that everyone currently in the tech test is particularly brand new. We certainly cannot judge that from whatever videos have been sent out. If people are properly observing the NDA, then they should be keeping quiet about getting in.

Honestly, can we all just let this go? It really isn't a big deal. They probably used some random algorithm to determine who, of everyone matching their specifications, got in. There'd be no real benefit to including non-vets over others.

Shouldn't they wait until they exhaust their priority/vet pool first?

[Ruffdog]

http://i44.photobucket.com/albums/f35/kev461/BETRAYAL/BETRAYAL.jpg

Yep that tech test chick is seeing guys behind your back. But then..she didn't promise you anything. You never had so much as a single date did you?

So was she your chick really?

[Haro]

Shouldn't they wait until they exhaust their priority/vet pool first?

The priority pool has nothing to do with the tech test. This is technically not beta, so being a PS1 vet obviously has nothing to do with selection. I think they wanted to avoid giving it solely to vets precisely because a lot of people might have ignored the NDA in those circumstances. They don't want people talking about gameplay or balancing yet, because the game isn't at that point in development yet.

Like I said before, all they needed was large collections of random people who met their specs to be in the game to stress-test it. That's what they got. I really think people should just drop the subject, accept that this is how things happened and wait just a little bit longer for beta. There really isn't more to talk about.

[john leetz]

it seems the vast majority of the tech-testers weren't PS1 vets, but rather the lowest priority beta [I]invitees.


The best part is, that in addition to the random non-vet no-key players that were invited, a select few players were hand-picked to be let in. Example of players that were hand-picked: BuzzCutPsycho, Tigersmith, Mirror, and half of DT. (Actually, most of them just whined on twitter/the forums to the devs until they got in) The list goes on, but it's pretty pointless to suggest that all of these well-known players were invited coincidentally.

[The Kush]

Of all the anecdotes and stories posted here about who got into the tech test, now that it is basically over, it seems the vast majority of the tech-testers weren't PS1 vets, but rather the lowest priority beta invitees.

I know that the real Beta invites are just around the corner and in the grand scope of things it shouldn't irk me so much, and yet it does. The whole point of the tech test isn't to reward certain players, or even to build hype for the game [hence the NDA], but rather to test out different hardware to see if the game will be compatible. Couldn't SOE have limited the test invites to Station Accounts with PS1 experience first and foremost? After which, if there weren't enough people testing the game, to THEN send invites to those with no PS history?


I know for a fact that many PS1 players have identical hardware to those who were invited, so it really isn't a matter of not having the right specs. I've seen the following argument posed on this forum: "SOE should invite 'scrubs' and 'newbies' with highest priority because, unlike a PS1 Vet, they will make mistakes that will smooth out the experience for most new players." [Looking for Quests, Teamkilling, PVE mindset]

But I submit the following: These things should be obvious. Restraints for TKers are a no-brainer, an easy-to-use interface and tutorial is already provided. This game is a first person shooter, not a traditional RPG. Any effort to make Planetside 2 easier for new players is a task well within the abilities of the talented developers.


PS1 players are not only veterans to the original game, but to First Person Shooters as a genre. All of you reading this thread know the basics of how to shoot and pilot vehicles, to say the very least. The TRUE value of testing with PS1 players is that they will be testing the minutiae of the game.

[I]Who is more likely to discover a small and random bug, a new player who can't figure out which targets are enemies or friendlies, or a veteran player who will try to exploit the games flaws?

You exposed the truth.

SOErry for lying wanted to disguise beta as a "tech" test. Since they didnt want to let us vets down on priority access, but they knew the mmofps virgins would hold the highest population after release. They wanted to see how the game played before us vets got in there and destroyed everyone.

[Broadside]

Planetside 2 Community event "Uncut" (No game-play) - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PQ9NqBWhbOg&feature=player_detailpage#t=280s)

Stop QQ'ing, they don't know who people are when they look at specs.

I was actually the guy that he was talking to in that conversation. I was sitting on the couch enjoying my pizza and he came up and started asking me how I liked the game. Nice guy.

[QuantumMechanic]

The best part is, that in addition to the random non-vet no-key players that were invited, a select few players were hand-picked to be let in. Example of players that were hand-picked: BuzzCutPsycho, Tigersmith, Mirror, and half of DT. (Actually, most of them just whined on twitter/the forums to the devs until they got in) The list goes on, but it's pretty pointless to suggest that all of these well-known players were invited coincidentally.

Yeah, I noticed this as well. Last saturday night you could see who's online in the PS2 forum even if you didn't have beta access (somebody had posted the link). They have since fixed it so you don't have permissions if you aren't in the tech test/beta. But I recognized a few additional names to the above list - all "high profile" people. I won't name names but they were leaders of a few different PS1 outfits. I have to admit that kinda pissed me off because SOE explicitly said they aren't playing favorites with the tech test... then they go hand picking favorites.

[cHaM]

http://bsalert.com/f-store/toxic_baby_shampoo.jpg

[Ninjacalypse]

My thoughts:

MEH...

[RedNine]

It seems a lot of very certain types of video card/CPU combinations are what got into the tech test.

I wouldn't sweat it, beta will start soon enough and if you weren't in the pool picked for the tech test, wait for it. A LOT of vets got into the tech test.

[Daemonn]

Go watch the most recent stream of Higby playing... I spotted a few familiar names playing on their usual faction. Coincidence? Just watch the stream, you'll see many. Also there are comments made in the chat that clearly show some PS1 players are playing.

Guy 1 -"Which way to caves?"
Guy 2 - "OH GOD NO"
Guy 3 - "no caves no bfrs"

I dont think its as bad as you think. I'm kind of surprised this hasnt been locked.

[cHaM]

There are a lot of Vets in the Tech Test from what I've seen. No worries. :)

[Night]

If you played PS1 for 9 years you seriously need to look at other games. After CC it just went downhill. Today it really sucks...

[Zenben]

OP, it ever occur to you that the reason you haven't heard about vets getting in is because the vets are the ones respecting the NDA and not talking about it?

[Mister Morden]

some of the ps1 players are so damn arrogant, they really think only they know how to make this game great, and some of them are even worse, they cry because xy from ps1 isn't in ps2.

[Solidblock]

91 posts, I'm not even going to bother reading it. If you feel really let down, you feel entitled, which you have rejected and said you are not. Ludicrous.

[Zulthus]

If you played PS1 for 9 years you seriously need to look at other games. After CC it just went downhill. Today it really sucks...

Nope. Even today PS1 is just a fun and unique experience that you just cannot get anywhere else.

Just yet another person who thinks the only game we play is PS1.

[Mystwalker]

this happens in every beta
tell you what there will be a beta everyone will get into it's called the open beta yea sony said this sony said that they PROMISED
truth is they don't have to do jack for any of us none of us are special cases so maybe stop the QQ'ing and accept you will get in when sony wants ya in and if not welp welcome to open beta:)

[EisenKreutzer]

Atleast use punctuation, man! My eyes are bleeding here!

[LONGFELLA KOJ]

They're making a Planetside 2?!?!?!?

[Night]

Nope. Even today PS1 is just a fun and unique experience that you just cannot get anywhere else.

Just yet another person who thinks the only game we play is PS1.

So you mean horrible lag, crashes and freeze ups is fun and unique? Besides that there are not enough players most of the time to even get a 64 vs 64 battle going.

It was epic when it was new, now its just nostalgia.

Vets feel entitled because they played PS1. Doesnt matter if you play other games.

And yes... I am a vet.

[MrTinkles]

As someone said,there's 90 odd posts...so there's a good chance some/all of this has been said...but this type of post makes me laugh and cry in equal amounts...

Why can't these people get it? The tech test is not for us! It's for the devs...why the hell should they choose PS1 vets??? And I speak as one...I played for years...but why on earth should they have chosen me for the tech test over anyone else??? I really hope the only criteria was how to test the game in the best manner. In that way I hope to have a good game when I do get in;whether that's beta or the finished article.

Am I a bit disappointed I wasn't invited to the tech test? Of course, it would have been fun? Do I feel let down? Why should I?

I gather you say you aren't claiming any special entitlement...but that's exactly what you are doing...in any case we don't know exactly what the numbers are in the test...or what the ratio of vets to non-vets is. Perhaps you (and me) just didn't have the rig they were looking for...or there were simply too many others with similar hardware.

Here's some more news for you; the beta isn't "for you" either. Yes we know "we" will be in it but there's no guarantee you will be invited in on the first stage, or second...or whenever. They'll do it as they need to and not because we vets believe they have some strange sort of moral imperative to let us in. I for one am glad of that. If they did run the beta to please us, God knows what sort of dogs dinner of a game we'd end up with.

[Mezorin]

I mean hey, sucks that you did not get in and I know I was annoyed that a friend got an invite but I didn't. But that's just how it goes with small number technical or "smoke" test, and life's full of disappointments. Sorry that you didn't get in over some 'newbies', but that's just how it goes with lottery pool tests like these.

Higby and company want people playing this as soon as its realistically possible, but they also realize that a bad launch or bad open beta could kill the game as you only one first impression on the world. Just try and look on the bright side: people are willing to stream to give us an idea how the game looks, and it is looking pretty solid thus far. Save for the servers exploding, we'll probably see closed, then open beta phases within the month. So patience guys.

[Greenthy]

You're right. No attempt was made.


BECAUSE THEY SAID THEY WERENT GOING TO MAKE ONE THE WHOLE TIME. TECH TEST WAS NOT ABOUT VETS, IT WAS ABOUT HARDWARE. They were as up-front and honest about this as anyone can be.

Besides, I would be very embarassed to be a grown man crying about being 'betrayed' by a corperation. They made you a video game about a decade ago. That doesn't make you a shareholder. Things change, people gotta work, grow up.

Jesus, 'vet this', 'vet that', what a bunch of entitled little brats. Its amazing how some vets can be so patient and self-aware while others seem to have made their PS1 status their lifes great purpose. You didn't build the pyramids, it wasn't work. You played a GAME. The difference is that when other moved on, you didn't.

Sorry to tell you, but when the gates open, it doesn't mean shit. The only thing that will make anyone elite are the zebra stipes they paid for.

Thank you to all the vets who are grown up and understand how stupid it is to make yet another retarded thread dramatizing the tech test as if the OP grew up with Higby and Smedley.

Easy on the capslock, we don't all want to end up with eyecancer :)
Now calm down and re-read what I posted.

I'm not buthurt that I'm not in as a vet yet. Although I like any other person wishes he was in :D I'm just merely agreeing with the OP's point that they could've gotten the required specs from the priority pool.
Non-priority people that got in will probably also carry over to beta (weird if they didn't) meaning their promise of priority is somewhat naught.

The thing about the internet is that you can give as much weight to a text as you want. You can read it in an angry tone as well as a more kind one. You obviously chose the first one when reading some of the vets arguing here :D

[ChipMHazard]

Hmm which word would best describe my feelings towards this thread.... Ah, I know.

"Sigh"

[Greenthy]

You and Greenthy should probably just... stop typing... or something.

Seriously I'm trying to say bad things, and yet I don't want to break rules. But stop giving me excuses to want to say bad things, and we'll be good. K?

You are crying because you didn't get to play the game. End of story. FFS please just stop posting!

I'm a vet. And I approve of this message. STFU whiney butt.

Ah when arguing is not allowed anymore :)
Worse than the actual arguements in this thread are people trying to stomp them, pretending to take the high road and say :"whine"/"QQ"/"Stop"/...

Again as in all my posts in this thread, I'm not demanding a spot for all vets. Merely wondering why things happen as they do happen. Consider it being a philosopher pondering about daily life.
But if you want to get personal, perhaps a report for you is in order.

I'll get in when I get in, prolly not with the first wave of beta and I can live with that.

[basti]

Are you guys kidding me? Do you folks have ANY idea who radant is? Apperently not, wich makes it pretty clear you never Played Planetside.


Radant, i feel your pain man, but hold tight, and chill.
I fully agree with you that they should have taken vets as priority, and only if there are no vets left with those system specs they need, switch to others. But, they apprently did that! There are 10 of my Outfit in, and those 10 reported of a LOT of known names from PS1. Yet, its a damn lot of us guys out there, way to much to invite all. So, it happend exactly what had to happen: Some of those who should really be invited asap didnt got in.

But as said, hold tight. More Invites propably sooner rather than later, and beta is also just around the corner. ;)

[Malorn]

Given that the tech test will be the worst quality version of PS2 that we will experience (assuming quality improves through beta), I am surprised that they did not want exclusively vets for the tech test. Vets are longtime fans and less likely to be put off by quality issues they might experience. Bringing in random Joe who isn't as in tune with the game could see the game and get a poor impression and then leave or badmouth it. The safest route would have been to only invite folks who were priority beta access. There's a huge pool and they're going to be the first into beta anyway so it sorta blows my mind that they didn't do that.

If all tech test is concerned with hardware compatibility and perhaps some scaling then it doesn't matter if the players are vets or not, so why not take the high priority people? Doing so gives you some likely far more sympathetic, patient, and loyal players during the most unstable portion of external testing. I don't see the logic in what they've done, as all it does is make some folks upset and increase the risk of poor first impressions.

That said, happy to wait a bit longer but I understand the feeling the OP is expressing.

[Mirror]

Given that the tech test will be the worst quality version of PS2 that we will experience (assuming quality improves through beta), I am surprised that they did not want exclusively vets for the tech test. Vets are longtime fans and less likely to be put off by quality issues they might experience. Bringing in random Joe who isn't as in tune with the game could see the game and get a poor impression and then leave or badmouth it. The safest route would have been to only invite folks who were priority beta access. There's a huge pool and they're going to be the first into beta anyway so it sorta blows my mind that they didn't do that.


I agree with this.

This helps the arguement: [Opps I dont think I am allowed to post the video. PM for the link] watch from about 4mins 15seconds. "Where are the quests???" :rofl:

There was also the comment in there "what do I do now??"

[Crator]

My friend got into beta and he never played an fps let alone ps1. He has a shitty system too and didn't even apply for beta, however I am glad he got into it rather then some self entitled prick who probably relies on government aid and thinks he "should" have it as well.

You are getting first round pick of beta, be happy you are getting anything at all.

I have been playing BF and Elder Scrolls since they started, never needed a beta priority from Dice or Bethesda to stay loyal for over 10 years. I guess I just think its crazy that any company would publicly announce that they are making over 100k invites top priority. I have been in many beta's over the years and just think these post would be non-existent if you were either accepted to beta or you're weren't. Then just keep checking and wait for email.

I think some folks fail to understand the PS1 vet stance fully. You can't compare the entitlement feeling to non-subscription based games. People payed real money month after month for game they loved without much development given to it throughout the years. They payed 3/4/5 times as much as you payed for your non-sub game....

It's not about arrogance.... So stop saying that please!

[NoDachi]

Most the people I talking to through the VOIP in the tech test were vets like my self.

The thread creator is just a standard bittervet QQer.

Add him to the list.

Are you guys kidding me? Do you folks have ANY idea who radant is? Apperently not, wich makes it pretty clear you never Played Planetside.

I don't really know who he is, nor do I really care and I've been playing planetside for a long time.

Maybe I've heard his name before? I don't see what this has to do with anything.

[OnexBigxHebrew]

Most the people I talking to through the VOIP in the tech test were vets like my self.

The thread creator is just a standard bittervet QQer.

Add him to the list.



I don't really know who he is, nor do I really care and I've been playing planetside for a long time.

Maybe I've heard his name before? I don't see what this has to do with anything.

Thank god you cleared it up. So sick of people making assumtions about populations in the test.

Seriously reminds me of a little kid not getting what they want for dinner. Don't worry though, attitudes will improve once everyone is finally playing - until they have the F2P crowd around that is :P. Good luck!

EDIT: And for the record, I also don't give a shit who radant is :D. I respond to what people say, not their mythic video game reputations.

[EisenKreutzer]

Are you guys kidding me? Do you folks have ANY idea who radant is? Apperently not, wich makes it pretty clear you never Played Planetside.

Don't know, don't care, never played Planetside. All I see is another entitled gamer whining because he feels the game developers somehow owe him something.

[james]

The tech test is to test server strain and optimization. Not to balance the game.

I swear its going to be the entitled ps1 brats that will ruin this game, not all the newbs.

PS1 Vets you are not better than everyone, nor because you played a game does not make you better at judging a sequel.

[NoDachi]

The tech test is to test server strain and optimization. Not to balance the game.

I swear its going to be the entitled ps1 brats that will ruin this game, not all the newbs.

PS1 Vets you are not better than everyone, nor because you played a game does not make you better at judging a sequel.

I would even go further and say bittervets are the LAST people they should be listening to.

Vets are fine, bittervets are terrible for game development. They fool themselves in believing that being a vocal minority on fansite circlejerks gives their terrible and warped opinions more credibility.

[Littleman]

The tech test is to test server strain and optimization. Not to balance the game.

I swear its going to be the entitled ps1 brats that will ruin this game, not all the newbs.

PS1 Vets you are not better than everyone, nor because you played a game does not make you better at judging a sequel.

A sequel a decade later. Some seem to think because it's Planetside 2 it should be very much like Planetside 1, being a direct sequel and all, but it won't be so similar as they may think. It's 10 years difference. Most games with sequels are 2-3 years apart at most. Planetside 2 is an intentional recreation of Planetside classic, not a true sequel. The most in common the two have are large, persistant areas to fight over, many hundreds more players than other games offer, and the 3 factions. Beyond that, everything may as well be brand new.

[OnexBigxHebrew]

A sequel a decade later. Some seem to think because it's Planetside 2 it should be very much like Planetside 1, being a direct sequel and all, but it won't be so similar as they may think. It's 10 years difference. Most games with sequels are 2-3 years apart at most. Planetside 2 is an intentional recreation of Planetside classic, not a true sequel. The most in common the two have are large, persistant areas to fight over, many hundreds more players than other games offer, and the 3 factions. Beyond that, everything may as well be brand new.

Couldn't agree more.

[Xyntech]

dont give a fuck anymore
let the thread die

Quoted from the now edited first post.

When the OP says let it die, just let it die.

[bigcracker]

I swear its going to be the entitled ps1 brats that will ruin this game, not all the newbs.


QFT.

I been saying it for months now your nothing special. Vets should be grateful enough as to what the devs already give us. But you feel entitled to something you didnt earn or deserve. Most of the people here dont understand the wording people keep saying vets should be the first ones in but you keep leaving the big part out.. You are going to be the first ones into "beta". Doesn't mean your getting into the tech test.

Man the hell up SOE is not your mommy and get to cry to them.They owe you nothing.

[Budsmkah]

qqqqqqqqqqqqqq MORE SON! HAHAHA:groovy::groovy::groovy::groovy::groovy:

[noxious]

If I were an intelligent business man, I would want loyal customers to stay loyal. But that's just me, captain logical.

I may not agree with dudley do-little the OP crying because he didn't get into a tech test, but I'm equally in disagreement with you.

Brains people. No matter how hard you try, your gonna have to use em for something. You might as well use them for everything!
I was being facetious. Way to catch on there, captain oblivious.

At any rate, the upset bittervets are both a drop in the proverbial bucket and committed to the game regardless. Never mind the fact that we're not actually privy of the selection criteria; people are jumping to conclusions based on conjecture and hearsay.

[Novice bot]

Also:
I don't care if a player has played Planetside for one year, or for nine. If you post on these forums, you've already displayed an interest in the series more than the average person with a Beta code. You deserve to be in that test more than they do, not out of entitlement, but out of your experience to playtest and recognize SOME resemblance of balance, akin to the previous game.

I had to register just to slap you. First off, if I saw an official Planetside 2 forum, I'd be there "representin'". Here? I see no reason for such thing. I've got my PS1 account laying somewhere and I cannot access it, don't really care, got the priority key. Been testing my arse off when it comes to MMO's, got fair amount of competitive experience in FPS field. But my days on PS1 were casual and I had no interest in registering on a "officially unofficial Planetside fansite." Suddenly, those who have are supposed to be prioritized in front of me on the queue? Riight.

[BlazingSun]

Regardless of the content of this thread, I would just like to mention that I despise the behavior of some people who posted here.

The first post might not have been what you would call a formal complaint, but it's not what I consider whining either. And please refrain from using terms such as "QQ" (which I had to look up in order to find out it's meaning) - it makes you appear as being incapable at writing proper sentences, in which case you might as well spare us your thoughts all together.

And about the entitlement thing: From my interpretation, the complaint was not so much directed at not being invited to the tech test as PS1 'veteran', but at apparent random people being invited before PS1 'veterans'. If it wasn't for SOE to have announced that PS1 players would have primary access, this thread might not exist in this form. (They even got people to subscribe to PS1 again on one or two occasions in 2011 or 2010, because it was communicated that those players with an active PS1 subscription would be the first ones in the beta.) The 'problem' now is the following: I assume not all of those 100.000 PS1 vets (or less, since not all of them signed up for beta I guess?) will get in beta at once - it will take several waves over a couple of weeks/months to allow them on the beta servers. I also assume that those 'random players' that were invited to the tech test, will also be allowed to play in the beta, which means the promised priority access for PS1 players might not be 100% true - I reckon that only a couple of hundred slots are taken by these 'random players' in the beginning, but it's a matter of principle to some.

Any temporary bitterness for not getting the invitation email yet is just a sign of people being eager to test and play the game and therefore should not be met with mockery, as we are all here for the same reason: We are looking forward to this game.

Yours sincerely, ...

Edit: Yes ... and now let the thread die.

[PrISM]

If you outsiders realized what veterans have had to put up with from SOE over the last nine years, you'd see things differently.

[Hmr85]

If you outsiders realized what veterans have had to put up with from SOE over the last nine years, you'd see things differently.

QFT

I have to agree

[OnexBigxHebrew]

If you outsiders realized what veterans have had to put up with from SOE over the last nine years, you'd see things differently.

Consumers don't "have" to put up with anything. Don't like what you're getting, find a better or different product.

[Sledgecrushr]

Some vets sound like you had a horrible time playing ps1. If you were having fun and didnt mind the 15$ a month subscription fee then you need to stop bitching about all the hard times soe put you through.

[Revanmug]

If you outsiders realized what veterans have had to put up with from SOE over the last nine years, you'd see things differently.

huh, I didn't know SOE force you to play a game you didn't like. Sounds brutal

[vVRedOctoberVv]

If you outsiders realized what veterans have had to put up with from SOE over the last nine years, you'd see things differently.

That's one of the most pretentious things I've seen on these forums yet. Get over yourself. If it's so terrible, go someplace else. People bitching and whining about their video games never cease to amaze me...

[SgtMAD]

Some vets sound like you had a horrible time playing ps1. If you were having fun and didnt mind the 15$ a month subscription fee then you need to stop bitching about all the hard times soe put you through.

and you are one of EP's guys?

I'll have to talk to him about what is going on,I do know the guy pretty good


a lot of us old school vets played PS for years in spite of all the crap SOE pulled on us,we put up with silly nerfs,ridiculous buffs and vehs no one ever asked for while having to endure game fracturing bugs like the term bug,doors bugged and being subjected to hackers yet we still played because the feel of having an outfit all fighting together as a large group in an open world where you could pick different options at any time couldn't be found in other games.

until now

[moosepoop]

your tears only make my penis harder.

[JointReef]

I highly doubt there even would be a PS2 if it wasn't for a lot of the Vets.. If it wasn't for the few 100 people who kept playing, Planetside would of been a long forgotten name and we wouldn't even be talking about a Tech test / Beta its these people's dedication to Planetside that has got us to this point.

There was never meant to be a PS2 and Planetside 1 was never meant to go on for as long as it has.

I am a vet since 2003 but I stopped playing around 2005 game back for few months a year, There are people on these forums who have played every day since 2003.

I for 1 thank these people for there dedication to the game and the revival of the series. So many people on these forums don't seem to know how many REAL problems Planetside had in-game and financially for SOE

Your all faaaaar luckier than any of you think

[Ratstomper]

I'm a PS1 vet. I don't like either side in this thread. The majority of posts are "I'm a vet and I deserve to be angry because of it" or "I'm not a vet and I think vets are idiots".

Suffice to say, there's a certain amount of...confusion... caused by some of the information the dev team released. I've read at least one dev's (Arclegger) stance on this in stream chat; that the tech test is a form of beta. Maybe he clegged it up, but logically tech test is the first step of beta. I understand the frustration of some vets. Seeing some of the NDA breakers streams makes you wonder why they let random people in who "Just happened to get the e-mail" as opposed to someone who has been sticking with the franchise and is actually passionate about the game. SoE can do what they want, but it DOES seem slightly unfair in certain ways. I'm not sure if picking out the real vets was nonviable or what...At any rate, there are clearly people in the tech test taking up spots who didn't really know/care about the game (and, lets face it; are complete morons) at all and they got in before the people who allegedly had priority access for beta.

That said, the dev team has been incredibly good to the community. They've gone above and beyond the standard for what game developers typically do and I think that lends them a TON of credibility and trustworthiness. I MAY be more inclined to feel like the OP if that wasn't the case. I think this whole issue may be something to blame on the practicality of what the beta process is, not necessarily the dev team or SoE. Their job is to make a great game, and as long as they're doing that, I can't fault them.

TL;DR: Everyone chill out. It sucks that people who don't really care got in beta, but there's not much that can be done about it now. No reason to get mad.

[Ranik Ortega]

If you outsiders realized what veterans have had to put up with from SOE over the last nine years, you'd see things differently.

TRUTH. And i stopped playing after 4 years. So i only know some of that pain.

[proxy]

If you outsiders realized what veterans have had to put up with from SOE over the last nine years, you'd see things differently.

I played Everquest for years and years (at least 7), AND PS1: Should I be in tech test before you?

That would make my heart grow 3 sizes that day...

I hope you don't act this way IRL.

[Ranik Ortega]

I played Everquest for years and years (at least 7), AND PS1: Should I be in tech test before you?

That would make my heart grow 3 sizes that day...

I hope you don't act this way IRL.

This isn't directed at you but, Entitled is the newest industry buzz word.

You think you deserve a game with a decent ending like we promised? You entitled little prick.

You think veterans should get in first like we promised because you supported the game for 9 years? God you PS1 vets are entitled elitists.

Seriously stop using the word "entitled". Every time you use it i laugh at you just as i laugh at blizz/biodrones.

There are some valid arguments in here so stop the "QQ more entitled baby" stuff. It's making you look like 12 year old CoD kiddies. :rofl:

[proxy]

I'm a PS1 vet. I don't like either side in this thread. The majority of posts are "I'm a vet and I deserve to be angry because of it" or "I'm not a vet and I think vets are idiots".

Suffice to say, there's a certain amount of...confusion... caused by some of the information the dev team released. I've read at least one dev's (Arclegger) stance on this in stream chat; that the tech test is a form of beta. Maybe he clegged it up, but logically tech test is the first step of beta. I understand the frustration of some vets. Seeing some of the NDA breakers streams makes you wonder why they let random people in who "Just happened to get the e-mail" as opposed to someone who has been sticking with the franchise and is actually passionate about the game. SoE can do what they want, but it DOES seem slightly unfair in certain ways. I'm not sure if picking out the real vets was nonviable or what...At any rate, there are clearly people in the tech test taking up spots who didn't really know/care about the game (and, lets face it; are complete morons) at all and they got in before the people who allegedly had priority access for beta.

That said, the dev team has been incredibly good to the community. They've gone above and beyond the standard for what game developers typically do and I think that lends them a TON of credibility and trustworthiness. I MAY be more inclined to feel like the OP if that wasn't the case. I think this whole issue may be something to blame on the practicality of what the beta process is, not necessarily the dev team or SoE. Their job is to make a great game, and as long as they're doing that, I can't fault them.

TL;DR: Everyone chill out. It sucks that people who don't really care got in beta, but there's not much that can be done about it now. No reason to get mad.

I agree.

I think this is most likely a case of "one hand not knowing what the other is doing".

On the one hand you want every dev to be on the same page, you want to control every message that leaves the office.

On the other hand you want these devs building hype and promoting your game on social media 24/7.

One thing I have learned trying to get groups of people on message is that it is very, very hard.

They should talk to FOXNEWS. Those guys are special forces on message.

This isn't directed at you but, Entitled is the newest industry buzz word.

You think you deserve a game with a decent ending like we promised? You entitled little prick.

You think veterans should get in first like we promised because you supported the game for 9 years? God you PS1 vets are entitled elitists.

Seriously stop using the word "entitled". Every time you use it i laugh at you just as i laugh at blizz/biodrones.

There are some valid arguments in here so stop the "QQ more entitled baby" stuff. It's making you look like 12 year old CoD kiddies. :rofl:

Did I say entitled? I was giving a different perspective and asking a question. Maybe you should read it again.

[Rivenshield]

a lot of us old school vets played PS for years in spite of all the crap SOE pulled on us,we put up with silly nerfs,ridiculous buffs and vehs no one ever asked for while having to endure game fracturing bugs like the term bug,doors bugged and being subjected to hackers yet we still played because the feel of having an outfit all fighting together as a large group in an open world where you could pick different options at any time couldn't be found in other games.

until now

Bang on the money.

/salute

[Ranik Ortega]

Did I say entitled?

My edit was supposed to have a "this isn't addressed at you in particular". Forum seems to have applied it and then removed it.

[proxy]

and you are one of EP's guys?

I'll have to talk to him about what is going on,I do know the guy pretty good


a lot of us old school vets played PS for years in spite of all the crap SOE pulled on us,we put up with silly nerfs,ridiculous buffs and vehs no one ever asked for while having to endure game fracturing bugs like the term bug,doors bugged and being subjected to hackers yet we still played because the feel of having an outfit all fighting together as a large group in an open world where you could pick different options at any time couldn't be found in other games.

until now

Here is my question to you:

Did you play this game with the idea you would reap early entry to the sequel? Seriously, for years I would check once or twice annually if there was going to be PS2 and for years, they said "no plans".

You played because PS1 was different, unique, right? Isn't that reward itself?

My edit was supposed to have a "this isn't addressed at you in particular". Forum seems to have applied it and then removed it.

Then why quote me?

I was asking him if my "suffering at the hands of SOE" at two games was greater than his 1. I also didn't like his "outsiders" comment.

Its sillygoosery.

[Littleman]

Here is my question to you:

Did you play this game with the idea you would reap early entry to the sequel? Seriously, for years I would check once or twice annually if there was going to be PS2 and for years, they said "no plans".

You played because PS1 was different, unique, right? Isn't that reward itself?

People need to understand:

We're greedy, selfish, and love Planetside to bits, and will cling to every little thing that improves our chances on getting into Planetside 2 sooner rather than later. This includes the "promise" to PS1 vets.

People call us entitled. People call us brats: they're just taking the high road. In truth everyone wants in ASAP. Calling people out as entitled really just deserves the response, "No #!%, Sherlock."

I'd rather not wait if I can help it.

[moosepoop]

People need to understand:

We're greedy, selfish, and love Planetside to bits, and will cling to every little thing that improves our chances on getting into Planetside 2 sooner rather than later. This includes the "promise" to PS1 vets.

People call us entitled. People call us brats: they're just taking the high road. In truth everyone wants in ASAP. Calling people out as entitled really just deserves the response, "No #!%, Sherlock."

I'd rather not wait if I can help it.

you are an entitled brat.

[Ranik Ortega]

Here is my question to you:

Did you play this game with the idea you would reap early entry to the sequel? Seriously, for years I would check once or twice annually if there was going to be PS2 and for years, they said "no plans".

You played because PS1 was different, unique, right? Isn't that reward itself?



Then why quote me?

I was asking him if my "suffering at the hands of SOE" at two games was greater than his 1. I also didn't like his "outsiders" comment.

Its sillygoosery.

Because you still used a similar argument with I hope you don't act like this IRL

[EisenKreutzer]

This isn't directed at you but, Entitled is the newest industry buzz word.

You think you deserve a game with a decent ending like we promised? You entitled little prick.

You think veterans should get in first like we promised because you supported the game for 9 years? God you PS1 vets are entitled elitists.

Seriously stop using the word "entitled". Every time you use it i laugh at you just as i laugh at blizz/biodrones.

There are some valid arguments in here so stop the "QQ more entitled baby" stuff. It's making you look like 12 year old CoD kiddies. :rofl:

Cal it what you like.
When someone states that they "Feel betrayed by SOE" because they weren't let into the tech tests, that stems from a sense of entitlement. It comes from a flawed preception that because this company put out a product they liked, the company somehow owes the fans something.

Thats what entitlement means. That they are entitled to some form of reward or compesation because theyre fans.
It's complete and utter bullshit.

The company, the devs, they don't owe you jack shit. They made a product, you bought the product. They use the proceeds to improve the product, you continue to enjoy the product and support the developers by spending your money on them.
Thats the full extent of the relationship.
You can't sit behind your keyboard and demand anything from them. You are a consumer, and the game is the product you consume. If they choose to listen to your feedback, to include you in the process and respect your input, thats their prerogative. But they do not, absolutely not owe you this.

The developers have gratiously asked us, the fans, to participate in their development process by being beta testers. They didn't have to do that. But they chose to, because they value the input of the community and want to make a game the community would enjoy.

And what do you do? You bitch, and you whine, and you moan.
This isn't like in the old game whaa whaa.
This feature will ruin the game whaa whaa!
I deserve to be in the beta because I bought the original whaa whaa!
Nobody should get into the beta before me whaa whaa!

It's pathetic, it's disgusting and it all stems from that sense of entitlement.

So call it what you want. Call me a CoD fanboy, or a n00b, or a baby, or whatever the h-e-double hockeysticks you feel like calling me.

It's still entitlement. And it's still retarded.

[Haro]

This thread needs to be closed, it's getting pretty unbearable. A very poor reflection of the community over a small, stupid issue.

[Ranik Ortega]

Cal it what you like.
When someone states that they "Feel betrayed by SOE" because they weren't let into the tech tests, that stems from a sense of entitlement. It comes from a flawed preception that because this company put out a product they liked, the company somehow owes the fans something.

Thats what entitlement means. That they are entitled to some form of reward or compesation because theyre fans.
It's complete and utter bullshit.

The company, the devs, they don't owe you jack shit. They made a product, you bought the product. They use the proceeds to improve the product, you continue to enjoy the product and support the developers by spending your money on them.
Thats the full extent of the relationship.
You can't sit behind your keyboard and demand anything from them. You are a consumer, and the game is the product you consume. If they choose to listen to your feedback, to include you in the process and respect your input, thats their prerogative. But they do not, absolutely not owe you this.

The developers have gratiously asked us, the fans, to participate in their development process by being beta testers. They didn't have to do that. But they chose to, because they value the input of the community and want to make a game the community would enjoy.

And what do you do? You bitch, and you whine, and you moan.
This isn't like in the old game whaa whaa.
This feature will ruin the game whaa whaa!
I deserve to be in the beta because I bought the original whaa whaa!
Nobody should get into the beta before me whaa whaa!

It's pathetic, it's disgusting and it all stems from that sense of entitlement.

So call it what you want. Call me a CoD fanboy, or a n00b, or a baby, or whatever the h-e-double hockeysticks you feel like calling me.

It's still entitlement. And it's still retarded.

The exacerbating factors are A) "Vets will get in first" and B) The NDA video showing clearly that some serious wastes of space got into the game.

[Littleman]

you are an entitled brat.

I ain't so proud as to let that stop me. At least I'm not lying to myself. I want into the tech test. Failing that, I want into the first wave of beta. Failing that, I hope more invites go out each consecutive day until I'm in.

Why should I care to impress people over a forum?

P.S. I understand you may be making a humorous jab.

[proxy]

Because you still used a similar argument with I hope you don't act like this IRL

Yeah, I hope he doesn't call people outsiders and shun them in real life. You got me.

[tzist]

LOL @ YOU

I made a whole bunch of SOE accounts and I got in to the tech test on 2 of them

none of the accounts ever had PS1 on them and I never played it myself nor did my friend who I gave the other account to

[Ranik Ortega]

Yeah, I hope he doesn't call people outsiders and shun them in real life. You got me.

When it comes to shunning people like the dude in the NDA video you may change your mind. If not then you have a higher tolerance for team killing morons than 99% of the population.

[EisenKreutzer]

The exacerbating factors are A) "Vets will get in first" and B) The NDA video showing clearly that some serious wastes of space got into the game.

Fair enough.

A) Beta hasn't started yet. yes, it's basically semantics, but it's the version SOE is going with and thats ok by me.
B) I have no idea who's in the tech test, but I have heard reports of lots of veterans, and I'm sure most of the players who were selected are normal gamers who just want to shoot some TR scum and NC dogs like the rest of us.

[NoDachi]

When it comes to shunning people like the dude in the NDA video you may change your mind. If not then you have a higher tolerance for team killing morons than 99% of the population.

Its funny how I've had more teamwork in the tech test than I have in the last month of planetside1.

Maybe I just got lucky with my squad.

[Trolltaxi]

SOE made a promis (no one forced them) and still, not only vets get into the beta (or tech test, whatever you call it). Anyone can blame SOE for that if he wants.

The streaming guy may look like a waste of place, but his noob approach highlighted some flaws of the ... well long learning curve. Things in PS2 are not obvious or self-evident for a newcomer.

Everyone is willing to join the game as soon as possible and while we were able to wait for years (most of this time: without any hope of a sequel), these last days, weeks are the hardest. And everyone has at least a bunch of buddies already testing the game, their number grows each day, while we are still outside. This is rather hard.

I understand the OP and those who even feel cheated. It is damn hard to sit still and wait for that frickin email to come. And I wonder how much of those calling the OP butthurt or crybaby are actually in the tech test...

[Ranik Ortega]

Its funny how I've had more teamwork in the tech test than I have in the last month of planetside1.

Maybe I just got lucky with my squad.

I don't doubt it. Playing PS1 on free month feels painful. Some people are organized most are not.

[moosepoop]

Why should I care to impress people over a forum?



because i WANT you, babby. i want you BAD.

[EisenKreutzer]

SOE made a promis (no one forced them) and still, not only vets get into the beta (or tech test, whatever you call it). Anyone can blame SOE for that if he wants.

The streaming guy may look like a waste of place, but his noob approach highlighted some flaws of the ... well long learning curve. Things in PS2 are not obvious or self-evident for a newcomer.

Everyone is willing to join the game as soon as possible and while we were able to wait for years (most of this time: without any hope of a sequel), these last days, weeks are the hardest. And everyone has at least a bunch of buddies already testing the game, their number grows each day, while we are still outside. This is rather hard.

I understand the OP and those who even feel cheated. It is damn hard to sit still and wait for that frickin email to come. And I wonder how much of those calling the OP butthurt or crybaby are actually in the tech test...

+1

This debate needs more level heads like you.

[Ratstomper]

The exacerbating factors are A) "Vets will get in first" and B) The NDA video showing clearly that some serious wastes of space got into the game.

This is the issue.

Anyone who says "I'm angry because I'm a vet and I'm not in the tech test" doesn't have a leg to stand on. They can't possibly invite all the vets at once. The issue is that there have, evidently, been some people who, for all intents and purposes, don't have as much interest or commitment to the game as the people who were told they'd be priority.

We need people like that NDA breaker stream because it helps troubleshoot the game and acclimate it to new people, but that's mid/late beta stuff. Vets would be the people you want in tech tests because they're more likely to provide useful info and work toward quality standards; because they have been following and WANT a good game. Again, I suspect that the guy in the stream had a PS1 account a long time ago and he just happened to win the lottery. It's quite probable that cross referencing accounts is impractical to see who is legitimately interested in the game and who is not.

[EisenKreutzer]

Again, I suspect that the guy in the stream had a PS1 account a long time ago and he just happened to win the lottery. It's quite probable that cross referencing accounts is impractical to see who is legitimately interested in the game and who is not.

I'm pretty sure he heard about the game somewhere, visited the site and signed up for regular beta, filled out the tech test form when he was prompted and was just randomly pulled from the list for the tech test because of his specs.

Seems the most logical course of events.

[Ranik Ortega]

"Where are the quests?" My feelings when i heard that http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umDr0mPuyQc&feature=related

[Ratstomper]

I'm pretty sure he heard about the game somewhere, visited the site and signed up for regular beta, filled out the tech test form when he was prompted and was just randomly pulled from the list for the tech test because of his specs.

Seems the most logical course of events.

I thought he mentioned that he played PS1 for like a week or something way back when...

[TheDAWinz]

:mad::mad: This is rediculous op!

[Revanmug]

This is the issue.

Anyone who says "I'm angry because I'm a vet and I'm not in the tech test" doesn't have a leg to stand on. They can't possibly invite all the vets at once. The issue is that there have, evidently, been some people who, for all intents and purposes, don't have as much interest or commitment to the game as the people who were told they'd be priority.

We need people like that NDA breaker stream because it helps troubleshoot the game and acclimate it to new people, but that's mid/late beta stuff. Vets would be the people you want in tech tests because they're more likely to provide useful info and work toward quality standards; because they have been following and WANT a good game. Again, I suspect that the guy in the stream had a PS1 account a long time ago and he just happened to win the lottery. It's quite probable that cross referencing accounts is impractical to see who is legitimately interested in the game and who is not.

huh, I think you miss understand what "tech test" mean. I doubt they are caring too much about your opinion of balance/etc when they are busy making sure the game/server is stable. Beta? might have a point but for now, it ain't the case.

[Sabot]

huh, I think you miss understand what "tech test" mean. I doubt they are caring too much about your opinion of balance/etc when they are busy making sure the game/server is stable. Beta? might have a point but for now, it ain't the case.

Oh, yeah... no they don't care what the tester think and disregard their input completely... I mean they're just "tech testers"... nothing valuable to learn from them.

They might be focusing on other things than weapon balance right now... but that doesn't mean they don't value the input. :rolleyes:

[OhFiddlesticks]

We will all get in eventually. Just be patient.

[Ganymede]

I registered my vet account for beta months ago when you first could... later on added a pc gamer code... I didn't get into the tech test. A week before the tech test started my wife registered her vet account no beta key and got into the tech test... we have the exact same specs.

[james]

A sequel a decade later. Some seem to think because it's Planetside 2 it should be very much like Planetside 1, being a direct sequel and all, but it won't be so similar as they may think. It's 10 years difference. Most games with sequels are 2-3 years apart at most. Planetside 2 is an intentional recreation of Planetside classic, not a true sequel. The most in common the two have are large, persistant areas to fight over, many hundreds more players than other games offer, and the 3 factions. Beyond that, everything may as well be brand new.

Correct this is the same issue that happen when BF3 was coming out. You had so many bf2 vets that thought dice should make a rehash of Bf2. And they cried about this and that on forums.

But this is worse these entitled brats, will make a huge deal out of anything. And yes your entitled brats. SOE OWES YOU NOTHING.

[GreatMazinkaise]

But this is worse these entitled brats, will make a huge deal out of anything. And yes your entitled brats. SOE OWES YOU NOTHING.

I beg to differ; they owe us a better, supported game than the Zombieside of the last six years that some of you guys were/are still playing.

[Goku]

dont give a fuck anymore
let the thread die

Going to help the OP want come to passing quicker.

Both camps on this subject really need to sit back and calm down. This is really starting to get out of hand.