Tech testers granted automatic beta access [Archive]

JRoD IST

2012-07-23, 05:11 AM

Sturmhardt

2012-07-23, 05:15 AM

Edit: I wrote shit.

I agree... Still can't change it, lets chill and wait another week.

RaZrReD

2012-07-23, 05:20 AM

Well why remove them from it when they already have some experience in the testing aspect?

Not trying to be a pain but that's only logic

EisenKreutzer

2012-07-23, 05:21 AM

Not this shit again...

Vanath

2012-07-23, 05:27 AM

You have no idea how many of the tech testers are or are not Vets. Unless you have access to SOE's data stop talking in absolutes about things you have no idea about.

JRoD IST

2012-07-23, 05:29 AM

Well why remove them from it when they already have some experience in the testing aspect?

Not trying to be a pain but that's only logic

Tech test had nothing to do with actual game "testing". The purpose of the tech test was to stress test different people's machines, as well as downloading/updating the client, and performing server optimizations.

So no, that argument is void, as the tech test wasn't based around testing game mechanics at all. Once SOE gathers all of the data they need for the tech test, the external participants involved should have no priority over anyone else.

Solidblock

2012-07-23, 05:30 AM

Yep, here comes the royalty of entitlementland. But to contribute something more to the post, the majority of people in the tech test have actually done something physical to help the game out, even if it was a minority that strived to submit bug reports, they should not be penalised because most of them haven't. They deserve a place. SOE cannot say, yeah thanks for your help, now get back in line, can they?

DodgeIt

2012-07-23, 05:32 AM

Yes, there are clearly SO SO many non-vet Tech Testers, that the servers will be full.

JRoD IST

2012-07-23, 05:33 AM

You have no idea how many of the tech testers are or are not Vets. Unless you have access to SOE's data stop talking in absolutes about things you have no idea about.

Sounds like you should follow your own advice. I have talked to many people who are currently in the tech test, and about 2 to 3 out of every 4 people I talk to have never even played (or heard of) PS1 or registered a key.

Vanath

2012-07-23, 05:35 AM

bjorntju1

2012-07-23, 05:36 AM

Oh not this fucking bullshit again, its not like only PS1 vets can test this game well... I hope that when you get in the beta, it is in the very last wave.
Tech test had nothing to do with actual game "testing". The purpose of the tech test was to stress test different people's machines, as well as downloading/updating the client, and performing server optimizations.

So no, that argument is void, as the tech test wasn't based around testing game mechanics at all. Once SOE gathers all of the data they need for the tech test, the external participants involved should have no priority over anyone else.
It's MAIN point was to test how the game runs on certain specs, but do you really think they don't listen to feedback about the gameplay? I am 100% sure they do, trust me on that.

Anyways, this is good news for me.

Klockan

2012-07-23, 05:38 AM

Smedley, Higby, and other PS2 devs have all said numerous times that PS1 vets would have highest priority when beta begins.
It has been confirmed that they will have the same priority as randoms with a beta code, not higher. Since the tech testers were invited from the same group I don't really understand, so you are complaining that those that got into the beta earlier will still be in the beta when you are getting on the beta? Do you want them to kick these guys or what? The tech tests are a beta even if it isn't an open beta. As soon as you start giving it out to randoms it is a beta.

RaZrReD

2012-07-23, 05:39 AM

Tech test had nothing to do with actual game "testing". The purpose of the tech test was to stress test different people's machines, as well as downloading/updating the client, and performing server optimizations.

So no, that argument is void, as the tech test wasn't based around testing game mechanics at all. Once SOE gathers all of the data they need for the tech test, the external participants involved should have no priority over anyone else.

Yes you're right, tech test is primarily for the reasons you outlined but to think that the testers don't report bugs is a bit naiive. Besides, I'm no expert on the topic but I would imagine it is the type of game (mainly due to the amount of people playing at once) that the more beta testers the better so why remove testers that you already have in the pool.

It's just a case of waiting a short while longer and you'll be playing :-)

Rivenshield

2012-07-23, 05:40 AM

All vets are going to get into beta eventually. We will see and hear and touch the thing well before the general public, and perhaps have a small hand in shaping it.

That's good enough for me.

MrKWalmsley

2012-07-23, 05:40 AM

Although I agree with the sentiment that SOE basically lied about vets having the highest level of priority and that is a twatish thing to do, I have to say that asking a couple of your mates does not give you any knowledge on the status on even a majority of the players.

P.s. I'm not a vet, I just have more credibility than to only complain about unfair things that effect me.

EisenKreutzer

2012-07-23, 05:41 AM

Didn't we do this whole song and dance-routine yesterday, culminating in closed threads and a generally bad show all around?

zomg

2012-07-23, 05:41 AM

PS1 vets super race of übermensch.

KhanWight

2012-07-23, 05:42 AM

Bumpbumpbumpbumpbumpbumpbumpbumpbump

Death2All

2012-07-23, 05:45 AM

I'm not too bothered by the invitees that got into the tech test. I won't start losing my marbles til the actual beta starts. If it's 4 weeks in and I know that people who bought the magazine got in before me then needless to say I'll be very pissed.

JRoD IST

2012-07-23, 05:46 AM

Taking a random survey of some tech testers does not suddenly give you knowledge of how many are veterans or not. Take a survey of every tech tester and I'll give you some merit. There is no way you have talked with enough people to make it a significant sampling.
I would if there was a public list of tech testers. However, your argument is contrived, because as long as there is ANY number of non-PS1 players with beta access, it comes as a straight up slap to the face and blatant contradiction to what SOE has previously said regarding PS1 players being the first beta testers.

Aurmanite

2012-07-23, 05:48 AM

Whiny bitches and entitled brats.

Flaropri

2012-07-23, 05:49 AM

Not this shit again...

You were expecting maybe something different?

JRoD IST

2012-07-23, 05:49 AM

so you are complaining that those that got into the beta earlier will still be in the beta when you are getting on the beta?

It's not a beta. It's a tech test. Smedley and Higby have gone to significant lengths to dispel the rumor that the tech test is beta.

EisenKreutzer

2012-07-23, 05:50 AM

You were expecting maybe something different?

Hoping, maybe..

Stew

2012-07-23, 05:51 AM

Josh Hackney confirmed that all tech testers are automatically in the beta.

Smedley, Higby, and other PS2 devs have all said numerous times that PS1 vets would have highest priority when beta begins, when in actuality, tech testers (most of whom of ARE NOT PS2 vets) have the highest priority to get into the beta.

Personally, I think it's great that players who never even bothered to put forth any effort to obtain a key of any kind will be able to play in the beta before those who DO have keys, or vet status.

Actually Ps1 vets , fanfest att and PC gamers keys have equal chance to get in the early acess beta ...

Also everyones that have been choosen for the tech test have all register for the beta and compleat the beta survey , SOe have pick few of those for technical purpose those test have nothing to do about been or not a planetside 1 players but it have everything to do with having a beta registration and also a beta survey compleated ...

Everyones will be in the beta soon anyway remebers this game is massive and will need a massive numbers of players to test it out

Dont be angry about it every drawing makes happy and unhappy peoples !

xSquirtle

2012-07-23, 05:53 AM

JRoD IST

2012-07-23, 05:56 AM

Whiny bitches and entitled brats.
Please stop using buzz words. This has nothing to do with entitlement. It's about non-ps1 players and non-key holders currently in the tech test being granted the highest possible (100% guaranteed) priority, which is a straight up contradiction to what has previously been preached and promised. I couldn't possibly care less about who is currently playing an outdated buggy version of the game in the tech test.

Night

2012-07-23, 05:57 AM

This forum is a broken reckord.

EisenKreutzer

2012-07-23, 05:57 AM

well when you put in 9 years and ((15*12)*9 = 1620 * 3(accounts) = (eta)$4830), and SOE originally spouted out how Vets where a guarantee access before anyone else; then yes I can see why so many people can be upset.

I.. I honestly don't know what to say to this.

Please stop using buzz words.

I'll have to remember that line the next time someone accuses me of something completely rational and accurate.

Stew

2012-07-23, 06:00 AM

well when you put in 9 years and ((15*12)*9 = 1620 * 3(accounts) = (eta)$4830), and SOE originally spouted out how Vets where a guarantee access before anyone else; then yes I can see why so many people can be upset.

If they still love playing PS1 they can keep playing it for few weeks especially when SOE give them a free months anyway ...

also techtest and beta arent the final products its for testing purpose not just for playing the game you know

No matters how much some people have spends ive spend over 800 $ on Ps1 and what this have to do with the beta or the tech test ?

how many people have spend $$$$ in wold of warcraft ? And if blizard will make a WOW 2 do you think they will be able to invite everyones ?

Also early beta test need a many different players with different playstyle and background

Planetside 2 need much more gamers than ps1 in order to suceed and also remember ps1 was dying few years after launch , a game is much more fun when you have a huge player based ...

so no i dont understand people to be so upset testing is a serious thing its not like playing the final build to enjoy the game !

MrKWalmsley

2012-07-23, 06:00 AM

It is annoying though that some people think the problem is that people do not feel entitled. The problem (with me at least) is that SOE said that Vets would have the highest priority for beta, but are letting in non-vets at the same time. Even as a non-vet, who thinks that I should not be let in before or even at the same time as the vets, even though I have a key, pisses me off for the simple reason that they lied to the community. Simple as that.

EisenKreutzer

2012-07-23, 06:01 AM

Stew, where are you from, exactly?

Rivenshield

2012-07-23, 06:01 AM

This forum is a broken reckord.

Just think of it as our institutional memory. Why retrieve anything from the archives when we can argue and bitch about it all over again, fresh every day? :D

Stew

2012-07-23, 06:03 AM

Stew, where are you from, exactly?

Canada » Québec » Montreal

WellWisherELF

2012-07-23, 06:05 AM

I have no problem with the current vets participating in the tech test getting rolled over into the first phases of beta. Those with no record of PS1 on their account should not get rolled over, however.

EisenKreutzer

2012-07-23, 06:05 AM

Canada » Québec » Montreal
Oh, ok.

KhanWight

2012-07-23, 06:06 AM

Atomic bomb flying at Montreal.

EisenKreutzer

2012-07-23, 06:07 AM

Atomic bomb flying at Montreal.

Give the dude a break, he's probably a native french speaker. English is hard, man.

Stew

2012-07-23, 06:09 AM

Smedley, Higby, and other PS2 devs have all said numerous times that PS1 vets would have highest priority when beta begins, when in actuality, tech testers (most of whom of ARE NOT PS2 vets) have the highest priority to get into the beta.

Also on thats statements it is not exact

1: They never said first the Ps1 vets will have the first place before anyones

2:At first the fanfest 2011 att was the only ones to get in before everyones else in the priority list

3:After thats the PC gamers keys come out there and at this time no confirmation as been made about Ps1 vets acess

4: later on they annonces that the PS1 vets will be directly fill in the same Q as PC gamers keys and Fanfest att ...

5: they also states that even if you have a priority acess keys or if you have a pc games , ps1 vets or fanfest att you have more chance to get in before others but still do not have 100 % chance to get in before everyones

Sabot

2012-07-23, 06:16 AM

What is the fucking problem? Vets have highest prio for beta, not the tech test... in the tech test they choose random people based on specs (it would seem), and removing them from the besta just because, is an incredibly stupid thing to do, with regards to making the game better. You can't really measure the quality of the tester you choose, but it adds an aweful lot of more work for the devs, work that could be focused on stomping bugs and improving the game instead.

Boomhowser

2012-07-23, 06:18 AM

Smedley, Higby, and other PS2 devs have all said numerous times that PS1 vets would have highest priority when beta begins, when in actuality, tech testers (most of whom of ARE NOT PS2 vets) have the highest priority to get into the beta.

Personally, I think it's great that players who never even bothered to put forth any effort to obtain a key of any kind will be able to play in the beta before those who DO have keys, or vet status.

Only have one thing to say about this....

It really dosnt matter!! :doh:

mcww

2012-07-23, 06:34 AM

Everyone close up shop, Planetside 2 is over, beta is clearly ruined.

HEISTT

2012-07-23, 06:39 AM

What would the current tech test invitees think about SOE when they actually withdraw the access tech test invitees have in order to let the 'vets' be among the first who enter the real beta? Yeah, now that would be bad marketing.

I will not be surprised if SOE opens beta with a total of 4 or more servers and they invite large batches of people throughout the first few days. Then we would get some arguments that the batches are too large and the 'vets' did not really get into the beta 'before anyone else'. These threads only make the 'vets' look ridiculous, even though it is a vocal minority. I love vets because they are largely responsible for the new iteration of Planetside, but please put an end to these threads.

Also, in before lock.

Zulthus

2012-07-23, 06:43 AM

I don't mind if I get invited to the beta first or last, but I wanted to pop in here and say that a lot of people make it sound as if the tech test people are entitled to be in the beta ;)

Greenthy

2012-07-23, 07:00 AM

I don't mind if I get invited to the beta first or last, but I wanted to pop in here and say that a lot of people make it sound as if the tech test people are entitled to be in the beta ;)

Damn them entitled tech testers! :lol:

Sledgecrushr

2012-07-23, 07:07 AM

Maybe for part of the tech test they needed people that werent fans of the genre. Maybe they needed to sacrifice a few virgins to make this game the best is could be.

Kran De Loy

2012-07-23, 07:09 AM

Retarded troll thread or retarded poster?
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Oh, ok.

Atomic bomb flying at Montreal.

I have to admit Stew's english is getting better.

Man, I remember back in March and February I wanted to choke him so badly.

Littleman

2012-07-23, 07:10 AM

The tech test is essentially a renamed beta with a focus on hardware issues, but not exactly exclusively focusing on hardware issues. They can and will collect data (balance, statistics, bugs) in the tech test that they would collect through out beta, count on it. Anyone who thinks otherwise is a gullible, uninformed fool no brighter than the kindergartner who will believe anything the grown-ups/big kids say.

Putting it another way: calling this last test a beta test or a tech test won't change what SOE was looking for - which was in fact everything (with a focus on hardware.) They invited based on terminology (loop hole) and PC spec availability (arguably not enough "priorities.")

None of the above can be argued (lack of evidence either way) nor is worth arguing, so don't go there. It's all semantics and nearly over anyway... I think. I hope. I want to play this week at the latest QQ

I'm against booting anyone out of the beta that served in the test. They're under NDA. I know even after leaving the test they're still under NDA, but if SOE boots select groups for their non-vet/non-keyed status, expect the smart one's to put out all sorts of leaks that will be hard to track down among the dumb one's that won't be too hard to track down. However, this is actually only a concern if "beta proper" is still under NDA.

And really, if they enjoyed their time in PS2, I A: wouldn't want to put them through that kind of agony and B: I want a full battlefield of people to shoot at, and actually, I'd rather a good portion of them be FNG's that won't be hauling in the PS1 mindset. I fear the veterans of the first Auraxian War will focus solely on bases and ignore just about everything else, at least for a good while.

Retarded troll thread or retarded poster?
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I have to admit, Stew's english is getting better.

Man I remember back in March and February I wanted to choke him so badly.

His English has gotten better within the last month even.

I wish I had the same dedication to learning a language. I have the tools, just not the focus.

IgloGlass

2012-07-23, 07:18 AM

Could everyone please stop whining about this.. Again?

Retarded troll thread or retarded poster?
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I have to admit Stew's english is getting better.

Man, I remember back in March and February I wanted to choke him so badly.

Well it is retarded thread week so..

Xaine

2012-07-23, 07:18 AM

Not sure why you guys are shocked.

This is SoE, give with one hand, take with the other.

NoDachi

2012-07-23, 07:34 AM

PSU is an absolute joke.

I know people who come here just to see how terribad the people who roll about in their bitterfilth actually are.

1) All of the people I spoke to over VOIP are vets, maybe vets are more inclined to talk I don't know?

2) Even a tiny sample of threads from the tech test forums completely blows anything from the PSU PS2 idea section out of the water. Seriously the tech test forum is full of sensible threads and posts without any of the crap you find here.

What ever they did, they did right.

EisenKreutzer

2012-07-23, 07:43 AM

2) Even a tiny sample of threads from the tech test forums completely blows anything from the PSU PS2 idea section out of the water. Seriously the tech test forum is full of sensible threads and posts without any of the crap you find here.

What ever they did, they did right.

This forum is full of speculation precisely because most of the people here aren't in the tech test. Once people get into the beta, and get to see the game for themselves, their fears will be eased and they can focus on being productive.

I am confident that all the fears people have concerning this and that feature ruining the game are completely baseless, and will evaporate come beta.

Seta swapping, dedicated drivers, drop pod kills and all the other stuff seems important now, but once people get to play the game and realise how it all works, there won't be a reason to let fears and doubt rule like it does on this forum currently.

There are some really awesome people here, you just have to look past all the fearmongering and whining.

james

2012-07-23, 07:51 AM

Really not this agian, just grow up guys. You guys just take stuff out of context all the time, the devs said vets will be one of the first.

MorioMortis

2012-07-23, 07:58 AM

Atomic bomb flying at Montreal.

Hey man, don't nuke my ass, I am a fully bilingual native French speaker living in Montreal :eek:. Although I have to admit that around here, a lot of people are only partly bilingual, much to the annoyance of the rest of us when they insist on communicating in their second language.

But on topic, notwithstanding the fact that not all tech testers where vets (which had never been promised), it is extremely poor business policy to let some one into one phase of testing and then force them to leave for the next one; not a single alpha or pre-alpha test I have taken part of has ever done so, and I cannot see why SOE would do so.

Also, considering the fact that the tech testers will probably not receive invites, but be simply transferred to beta, than they do not, in fact, receive higher priority than the vets, which is to say that no amount of vets should be unable to join at a certain point in time due to the presence of tech testers because they are part of the baseline calculation.

Novice bot

2012-07-23, 08:00 AM

Take it this way;

SOE: Sup, you aren't a vet, but you've got exactly the PC configuration we gotta test, up for a small tech test?
Non Vet Tester: Sure
SoE: Hey! Thanks for participating the tech test! We got all the data we need! Now, that you're no longer that much use to us, we'll be kicking you out from the beta as a thank you so we can make a room for some guy who played the original planetside 8 years ago and hasn't touched the game since.

Talking about betrayal...

EisenKreutzer

2012-07-23, 08:02 AM

Also, considering the fact that the tech testers will probably not receive invites, but be simply transferred to beta, than they do not, in fact, receive higher priority than the vets, which is to say that no amount of vets should be unable to join at a certain point in time due to the presence of tech testers because they are part of the baseline calculation.

Quoted for absolute truth.

The devs never said veterans of Planetside 1 would be the first ones to play the beta. They said veterans had priority.

Veterans do have priority. When they start inviting people into the beta, veterans will be on top of the list, and they will be the first ones in every wave.

Klockan

2012-07-23, 08:11 AM

Quoted for absolute truth.

The devs never said veterans of Planetside 1 would be the first ones to play the beta. They said veterans had priority.

Veterans do have priority. When they start inviting people into the beta, veterans will be on top of the list, and they will be the first ones in every wave.
I don't think that they ever said that vets had higher priority than those with beta keys.

Goku

2012-07-23, 08:15 AM

From Hamma:

There is now a no tolerance policy in place on beta threads.

DO NOT create threads about why X Y or Z is not in beta. They contribute nothing to the forum other than heated argument.
DO NOT create threads asking about beta priority, status etc. ALL POSTS on this subject should refer to Higby's sticky thread. (http://www.planetside-universe.com/showpost.php?p=796897&postcount=4)