What do you miss?

[NichyC]

As you know, Planetside 2 will be radically new and different. There will be a lot from the first game that won't make it to the second. So what will you miss? This can be anything from old vehicles to styles of combat that are lost to the game. What do you miss?

Personally I'm going to miss the Galaxy Gunship and all of the buggies. Why are there no buggies???

But I'm also going to miss the large open-terrain warfare. It seems like too much of the warfare is being conducted at a base instead of between them because all of the open area is pocketed with little outposts.

I also think that they don't put enough emphasis on taking the actual base. There is always only one or two capture points in the base itself and the rest are spread around. You can capture the base without ever going inside it! Does that make any sense?

That's what I'll miss, but what about you?

[noxious]

Most (all?) of the bases I've looked at in streams have had a majority of points inside* the base. Even if it's a 3/3 split, unless the attackers take all three outter points simultaneously and force a draw (in which case the defenders probably win), the attackers will always have to take at least one of the inner points, if only momentarily, to flip a base.

*The bases don't seem to have well defined boundaries, but there is usually a cluster of points that are much closer to the center of the base than the rest.

Also, why are you going to miss the galaxy gunship? It's still in PlanetSide 2.

[Bocheezu]

It still remains to be seen what it'll be like to spawn at Gals, but for now I'll say the AMS. The moving spawn point and the overall aim of reducing travel time (via AMS and Router) in order to improve battle efficiency is a very Planetside thing for me, and I don't know if it will have a part in the new game.

The Router was an especially interesting aspect of the game. Such a hilariously mysterious thing; you step through the telepad and you just don't know where the hell you'll end up. I've been semi-focusing on it the past month and I've tried to set up some sweet telepads, but it's a hard thing to do. Especially ones that are on top of towers or bases because you have to park your mossie there, decon and pull the router, set up the router, get the telepad, and hotdrop out of the mossie to set it up. It takes a lot of work and 90% of the time one end or the other gets discovered instantly or lost to OS. I really respect the cloakers that set up a telepad in the gen or something (and the multiple attempts it took for them to get to the gen), coordinate a time to teleport, and BOOM, teleport a bunch of people to the gen instantly. A very underappreciated vehicle that can totally break a stalemate.

[Reizod]

I miss the VR training area, having Sancs, and cloaked AMS. Oh, and looting dead bodies/backpacks.

[Synapse]

I will miss Combat Engineering.

auto-turrets are always a big thing for me. Tank obstacles were fun. At least I still get mines.

[Xyntech]

Jump jetting MAXes. So much fun.

[Greenthy]

Well from what I can tell the Liberator is pretty much the new GG.

I think I'll miss closed bases.
On one hand I'm happy we can get rid of the Brick wall you tend to mash your head against in PS1 trying to break in. On the other hand it worked for some proper tactics in less contested areas (prepping and holding a base with an outfit platoon). Although this last is less easy if it's :
- on few and huge continents (easily spot)
- with use pops (easily stomped)

My fear is that you won't be able to really do tactical stuff with your outfit aside from just going in force. One thing I love of PS1 is going in galaxies and dropping at a specific base to prep and fend off or clear a base. From what I can tell it'll be more of a throw our numbers there and see how we can push that place in PS2.

No acces here, so might just be ungrounded.

[FPClark]

Honestly. The only thing I miss so far is ant runs.

[Lumberchuk]

Speedy Vanguards and dedicated drivers and gunners.

[Dubious]

Open fields with no buildings, just trees and rocks
Thats where you get the big tank fights, not between buildings..

From what ive seen in movies, PS2 looks like one big zerg fest

[Zulthus]

Unique gameplay mechanics

[Sephirex]

Well from what I can tell the Liberator is pretty much the new GG.

I think I'll miss closed bases.
On one hand I'm happy we can get rid of the Brick wall you tend to mash your head against in PS1 trying to break in. On the other hand it worked for some proper tactics in less contested areas (prepping and holding a base with an outfit platoon). Although this last is less easy if it's :
- on few and huge continents (easily spot)
- with use pops (easily stomped)

My fear is that you won't be able to really do tactical stuff with your outfit aside from just going in force. One thing I love of PS1 is going in galaxies and dropping at a specific base to prep and fend off or clear a base. From what I can tell it'll be more of a throw our numbers there and see how we can push that place in PS2.

No acces here, so might just be ungrounded.

Interesting points.
PS1 had fairly linear paths for assaulting bases, leading to fairly rigid defensive and assault strategies. It enforced team work on the front lines since everyone knew the drill, while commanders tried to think of clever ways to break the stalemate.

PS2 seems to allows much more free form base strategy. This gives much more room for improvisation, giving large bonuses to outfits that can communicate well and strategize on the fly. But, it also promotes chaos in the non-organized, making the zerg more confusing and dangerous than ever.

[ITOS]

Stalemates and bottle neck battles. While they are not fun if they go on for hours on end, as a support oriented player I do enjoy a structured front line.

[Rat]

I will miss Combat Engineering.

auto-turrets are always a big thing for me. Tank obstacles were fun. At least I still get mines.

Pretty sure they recently said that the spitfire is coming back.

[Novice bot]

Stalemates and bottle neck battles. While they are not fun if they go on for hours on end, as a support oriented player I do enjoy a structured front line.

I also agree that PS2 needs more bottle necks and choke points, they really create a sense of more structured warfare. currently, in beta videos there werent that many players around, but I really haven't been capable of spotting the "front line" anywhere in the videos yet. I just hope this game actually has gameplay that causes front lines to happen. Stalemates? Well, I'm surprised if they do not happen.

[Bruttal]

Super tight quarter fights (ps1 towers), NTU drain's, BUGGY'S!!!!, Magrider top mounted main cannon, Cloaked AMS, No Radical base changes upon empire change in ps1 the whole base flipped colors, VR for weapons testing (the old one never got an update either kinda made me mad it was vary under used),


One squad defensible basses in ps2 the bases are quite large and you wont be able to cover enough ground by running back and forth to keep the enemy's from taking over. to combat that they should have LESS capture points, one video I think i saw 5 capture points for a single base.

[NichyC]

Most (all?) of the bases I've looked at in streams have had a majority of points inside* the base. Even if it's a 3/3 split, unless the attackers take all three outter points simultaneously and force a draw (in which case the defenders probably win), the attackers will always have to take at least one of the inner points, if only momentarily, to flip a base.

*The bases don't seem to have well defined boundaries, but there is usually a cluster of points that are much closer to the center of the base than the rest.

Also, why are you going to miss the galaxy gunship? It's still in PlanetSide 2.

From the bases I've seen, they all look like they're mostly outside, though I could be wrong.

And I thought it was just the galaxy that's making a return, not the galaxy gunship.

[Sephirex]

From the bases I've seen, they all look like they're mostly outside, though I could be wrong.

And I thought it was just the galaxy that's making a return, not the galaxy gunship.

Supposedly, the customization system will allow turning a galaxy into a gunship type variant.

[Dubious]

lose some seats for bigger/more guns

[OnexBigxHebrew]

I will miss Combat Engineering.

auto-turrets are always a big thing for me. Tank obstacles were fun. At least I still get mines.

I think I saw auto-turrets set up in bases if I'm not mistaken.

Could be mistaken. :D

Supposedly, the customization system will allow turning a galaxy into a gunship type variant.

Yep.

[SleepyZombie]

hacking terminals, turrets and enemy vehicles

I think they are planning some of that to be in the game later on but until then I will miss it.

[Dubious]

i think the auto-turrets u have seen is actually the engineer turret you need to man urself

[Sirro]

I will miss my jump-jet MAX, oh well as long as the new versions still a lot of fun I don't care. Btw there is no Sanctuaries? That's going to be weird, I guess its true you learn something new everyday!

[SleepyZombie]

I will miss my jump-jet MAX, oh well as long as the new versions still a lot of fun I don't care. Btw there is no Sanctuaries? That's going to be weird, I guess its true you learn something new everyday!

I thought they said VS maxes have a jump jet i'm fairly sure it was in a video with higby

[Karma]

I miss a basement generator defence. Around 50+ guys in a basement, crouching behind crates aiming at 2 entrances just waiting for an enemy onslaught.

I hope they design something similar because I’m yet to see anything that captures that feeling.

[Ranik Ortega]

An extensive and in depth Combat engineering system. Dropping a man-able turret doesn't look nearly the same as entrenching a base to the teeth.

The lack of base types. There are only 3 base types i believe and with the lack of lattice system it seems like taking specific bases does not affect the meta game.

All of the many vehicle types. I realize that with the new system much of it's re-creatable by switching turrets but i'd like to see some specialized designs.

A more robust inventory system. Though the current inventory is passable i'd like to see a combination of both.

The implant system using duration based implant consumables sort of irks me. But i guess special kit can be purchased as actual gear so i'm not too miffed on this one.

Lack of lightning secondary gun. One of the turrets for it had better act as the old 75mm/12mm combo.

The meta game overall really. Blowing up tubes, dropping gens, infecting bases etc. I realize due to the new capture style some of these aren't necessary but at the moment its shipping pretty light on strategic gameplay. PS1 did the same to some extent and i'm hoping that PS2 adds more strategic gameplay over time.

Overall though I think they are trying to get the game ready for play as fast as possible without shipping it buggy. As they've hinted at repeatedly they have serious plans for more content and meta game. Here's to hoping their 3-5 year plan is as awesome as our own brainstorming can be.

[Dart]

Oh god I hope AzK doesn't find this thread!

Personally, I miss my PS1 IFF system and minimap which showed my squadmates as opposed to obligatory green arrows.

[Sephirex]

Oh god I hope AzK doesn't find this thread!

:lol::lol::lol:

[Anubisstargate]

I'm going to miss the stealthed up AMS's but who knows, could stealth a galaxy once it lands.

But yeah you can change your galaxy to a gunship, you have to cert more passenger spaces and having more guns will overwrite those certs (If selected).

Battles will also be out in the open! As much as bases are the main objective just like PS1, majority of the fights and battles will be out in the open when you go to capture a base or moving from one base to another. We have only seen the video's about bases due to them giving us the footage they think we want to see. They also haven't had the numbers yet to be able to give us a mass amount of footage outside the bases because you'll be seeing no one :P.

With 2,000 people you will be having people tons of people egging the opposition for outside battles to take you away from the main bases. Also they will be bringing in many different types of capturing bases and they may even bring back the LLU soo good luck defending that one guy against hundreds of others haha!

[Turdicus]

Some clarifications:

- Buggies are going to be in the game, just not at launch. Sometime later.
- The lightning, like all (most?) of the other tanks, can cert for a coax machinegun. So the old cannon+machinegun combo is still very real
-MAX units will not have jetpacks, that is reserved for light assault only.

Thats all the confirmed stuff I can alleviate. Personally I might just miss CC holds, but honestly it might still be possible with some of the cap points located inside larger buildings. The Tech plant looks like its central point will be crazy to hold, very fun looking.

[Ranik Ortega]

Some clarifications:

- Buggies are going to be in the game, just not at launch. Sometime later.
- The lightning, like all (most?) of the other tanks, can cert for a coax machinegun. So the old cannon+machinegun combo is still very real
-MAX units will not have jetpacks, that is reserved for light assault only.

Thats all the confirmed stuff I can alleviate. Personally I might just miss CC holds, but honestly it might still be possible with some of the cap points located inside larger buildings. The Tech plant looks like its central point will be crazy to hold, very fun looking.

Cool on the lightning turret.

But you reminded me. I want bases with different capture mechanics. All we've seen so far is capture the little points and hold over time. We need not just the little capture point system they have now but some with take and hold CC's other with LLU's (maybe). I imagine that perhaps capitol bases could be introduced and be much more entrenched and defend-able along with the old CC, generator and tube systems.

[RodenyC]

AMS
Max jump jets
Dedicated drivers and gunners
Having to get out of vehicles to switch seats
Walls around bases
Hacking terms and vehicles
Free form inventory
Looting
E/E animations

[Turdicus]

But you reminded me. I want bases with different capture mechanics. All we've seen so far is capture the little points and hold over time. We need not just the little capture point system they have now but some with take and hold CC's other with LLU's (maybe). I imagine that perhaps capitol bases could be introduced and be much more entrenched and defend-able along with the old CC, generator and tube systems.

Well you're in luck :D In a recent video Higby said that they were working on different capture mechanics at the moment. King of the hill and capture the flag (LLU?) are the two that I remember specifically. Tubes and gens were mentioned in a recent video, but there were so many in the recent couple of weeks that I have literally no desire to go digging for it.

[Ranik Ortega]

Well you're in luck :D In a recent video Higby said that they were working on different capture mechanics at the moment. King of the hill and capture the flag (LLU?) are the two that I remember specifically. Tubes and gens were mentioned in a recent video, but there were so many in the recent couple of weeks that I have literally no desire to go digging for it.

Thanks man. I was freaking out for a second after i realized i stopped paying attention to capture mechanics and just now noticed we've only seen the multi point cap and hold. King of the hill sounds like the old CC to me or at least could be adapted to it. Everybody pile into the CC and hold that central point with your life.

[Furber]

Dedicated driver and gunner

[FINALCUT]

I'll miss this forum. Because once PS2 is live my ass won't ever be in here again. I'll be all pew pew pew, you know what I'm sayin. :D
I'll also miss my wife and my dog,mostly my dog.;)

[Baneblade]

Enter/Exit Animations, Pre Balance Pass Enforcer, and gunners using the main weapons.

[vVRedOctoberVv]

I'll miss the poor netcode and lack of proper hit boxes. And don't forget the crappy 2003 graphics! Oh and the "fire a whole clip to take someone down" TTK.




NOT

On a serious note....

Most the cooler aspects of the game are carrying over. It's hard to be very specific, having not played the game yet, and not knowing precisely what will and will not be there.

[Accuser]

Magrider top gun, and dedicated driver.
Oh the glorious memories of being the bane of aircraft and tanks alike...

[Galzus]

I will miss indoor rumbles the most, all of the bases look pretty much 90% outdoor with the indoor portions being very exposed and easy to penetrate. I really liked how the CC in most PS1 bases was tucked deep inside, made it difficult to get to. Now all the points are within a few steps after a gal drop :rolleyes:

PlanetOutSide 2 FTL

E/E animations second most

I'll also miss visor/tank zooms
multi-level sniper zoom
MAX run mode (sprint is slow and the special boost is too bursty from what I've seen)
MAX Jump Jets
being able to see enemy HP/Armor levels
the Lancer
MAXes with great ammo capacity
being able to see my laser beams from my pulsar
seeing the tracers from enemy weapons clearly. I could hardly tell when Higby was getting shot in the streams.
dedicated hacking
AMSs

[Roidster]

biggest thing for me i will miss the most,is auto run

[fod]

dedicated (separate) drivers and gunners
because doing it all aint fun (for me)

[drennam]

And I thought it was just the galaxy that's making a return, not the galaxy gunship.


you can turn a galaxy into a GG, take out a few seats and add a gun etc. think it was in the GDC vid that higby stated this.

galaxies are going to be very customizable

[Stew]

Personally I'm going to miss the Galaxy Gunship and all of the buggies. Why are there no buggies???

That's what I'll miss, but what about you?

I dont think their sill be no buggy the nanites systhems will go deep i think we already saw some concept of incoming smaller APC so i will not suprise to see buggys comming but SOE have so much stuff to do they cant be focus on thing like buggy yet they have 3 continents to finish up and tons of stuff to do ! http://i959.photobucket.com/albums/ae76/stew360/newvehicules.jpg
this is the NS APC i was talking about we did not see any screen in game yet but pretty sure many more vehicules will come

[Roidster]

I'll miss this forum. Because once PS2 is live my ass won't ever be in here again. I'll be all pew pew pew, you know what I'm sayin. :D
I'll also miss my wife and my dog,mostly my dog.;)

so your saying you have switched sides and will be playing VANU

only those dirty Barneys go pew pew pew

[Wakken]

I miss AMSs :(

[FINALCUT]

so your saying you have switched sides and will be playing VANU

only those dirty Barneys go pew pew pew

LOL. I have the silencer attached and it makes a PEW PEW PEW sound.:D

[fvdham]

I will miss:
- Vehicle entry/exit animations.
- The entire Empire in a massive drop pod rain. (Though happened only twice)
- The Deliverer / Sound of the Deliverer guns. (Though Deliverer got useless 6 years ago).
- Lightning having 2 weapons instead of 1.

I will not miss:
- Lightning being a paper tank.
- AMP station defense, which was camping the door.
- Orbital Strike spam.
- BFR's. Should have been 4 person land tanks.
- 3rd person looking around the corner.
- Monthly payments.

Looking forward to:
- Medics getting a suit.

Slightly worried about:
- Maps being instance instead of one connected world.
- No Galaxy drops seen in PS2 video's.
- Ugly shield on infantry.

[BlueSkies]

Slightly worried about:
- Maps being instance instead of one connected world.
- No Galaxy drops seen in PS2 video's.
- Ugly shield on infantry.


No instances. This has been established.
Yes there were. I can't remember if it was TB's E3 footage or something else but there were gal drops occurring (though, the animation was broken and people were just teleporting from the gal to the ground)
It is... rather obvious, but that is the trade off for having the shield

[fvdham]

No instances. This has been established.


Let me re-phrase that: no global meta game unlike PS1.
For example losing Oshur meant no vehicle repair on Cyssor.
In PS2 each map a self-contained world.

[SirDart]

I will miss:
- Vehicle Enter/Exit Animations
- Sunderer Horn
- Cloakers reviving me
- Buggies/Thresher
- Max w/ Jump Jets
- Doors open/close

Yes, doors that open and shut really was good to defend against vehicle fire, and could really cut down on the spamming vehicle shots coming in. Also, it made it easier to tell if cloakers were coming in or out of a base/tower. I know, cloakers will be easier to pick out than before, I just think it will force a change in tactics, that's about it.

[Hamma]

Jump jetting MAXes. So much fun.

This is probably what I will miss the least :P

[Rivenshield]

I miss AMSs :(

Me too.

I think they'll need to bring them back eventually, though.

[Timealude]

I will miss entrance/exit animations and I will (for now) miss the number of continents we had.

Things I will not miss: Bad net code!
Orbital strike spam
Inventory space.

[NichyC]

I will miss:
- Vehicle Enter/Exit Animations

Yes, doors that open and shut really was good to defend against vehicle fire, and could really cut down on the spamming vehicle shots coming in. Also, it made it easier to tell if cloakers were coming in or out of a base/tower. I know, cloakers will be easier to pick out than before, I just think it will force a change in tactics, that's about it.

I agree that it won't be the same without those animations, but from a gameplay standpoint, it's probably better if you don't have to wait 5 secs before being able to drive the vehicle.

Likewise, it won't be the same without the vehicle bay animations, but it will be nice knowing that you're safe from the d*****bag with a Skyguard who blows your plane out of the sky before you are even allowed to gain control over it. I am more than okay without that.

As for your second point, I agree completely.

[SixShooter]

I'll also miss my wife and my dog,mostly my dog.;)

I will certainly miss my wife and children as well as most other human contact. I will also miss seeing the sun. Mostly I'll miss the jumpjets on my max but my kids come in a close second.:lol:

[Baneblade]

Orbital strike spam

Sadly, not only will these be making a comeback, but they will be even more prevalent than in PS1. If you can imagine that.

[Timealude]

Sadly, not only will these be making a comeback, but they will be even more prevalent than in PS1. If you can imagine that.

I dont know about that, from what they have told us (and they havent told us alot) It seems like OS will be harder to get those huge super kills because the bigger the strike the more resources it will take. It would seem counter productive if you saved all that up to get a huge strike with a huge CD timer only to miss.

[Baneblade]

I dont know about that, from what they have told us (and they havent told us alot) It seems like OS will be harder to get those huge super kills because the bigger the strike the more resources it will take. It would seem counter productive if you saved all that up to get a huge strike with a huge CD timer only to miss.

We will see how it goes, but my money is on them being more common than in PS1.

[Rivenshield]

We will see how it goes, but my money is on them being more common than in PS1.

Oh GOD. Please no.

[NichyC]

Sadly, not only will these be making a comeback, but they will be even more prevalent than in PS1. If you can imagine that.

How is that even possible!!!????:jawdrop:

[Baneblade]

How is that even possible!!!????:jawdrop:

You don't even have to ever lead a squad to unlock PS2's command abilities. You can do it the exact same way you cert anything else.

[Boogster]

I will miss garish fuschia skies

[Galzus]

I will not miss:
- Lightning being a paper tank.

It's too bad that all tanks are worse than paper now.

[NichyC]

It's too bad that all tanks are worse than paper now.

That's not true! I actually like the balance of power better from what I've seen.

[Badjuju]

From the bases I've seen, they all look like they're mostly outside, though I could be wrong.

And I thought it was just the galaxy that's making a return, not the galaxy gunship.

90% sure I heard in one of TBs beta videos that they were going to allow you to modify galaxies into gunships.

[NichyC]

90% sure I heard in one of TBs beta videos that they were going to allow you to modify galaxies into gunships.

Ya, I'll believe that.

[IceJudge]

Most (all?) of the bases I've looked at in streams have had a majority of points inside* the base. Even if it's a 3/3 split, unless the attackers take all three outter points simultaneously and force a draw (in which case the defenders probably win), the attackers will always have to take at least one of the inner points, if only momentarily, to flip a base.

*The bases don't seem to have well defined boundaries, but there is usually a cluster of points that are much closer to the center of the base than the rest.


Ditto to this. That was something I was kind of bummed out about initially when I saw some of the first PlanetSide 2 videos. I'm kind of hoping that maybe in the far distant future SoE could throw a retro continent in, featuring only classic styled bases. Having a well defined front line was pretty cool, it would create moments where you see waves of troops shooting and slowly pushing and advancing. Ah well. :cry:

[Sephirex]

Lazarus, rise. You're needed.