Death is No Excuse Full Length Trailer

[typhaon]

I enjoyed the trailer - but I don't think it did a great job of showing (even in a CGI-world) what sets PS2 apart from every other FPS.

ex. a friend of mine that I've been hyping PS2, too... he didn't even pickup on first view that there were 3 factions in the video... and I can see it. The trailer is so focused on one light assault running 'Rambo' through a blur of enemies... that when an untrained eye finally catches what's going on - he identified the 'big transport planes' - then again.. he saw the 'big transport planes' at the end of the video.

Maybe if the trailer had been longer... and showed a wider shot of the clearly different VS army sweeping into the battle and attacking the front lines of the TR and NC... perhaps focused on some combat involving the faction-specific vehicles - I think it would've had more impact.

[Memeotis]

Wrong and wrong, you CAN get on top of a transport aircraft and u can shoot the pilot. Smedley has already confirmed both of these things. Oh and everything u mentioned there is planetside, so wtf are u talking about?

Show me the link. I just remember (I think it was Higby in some interview) how they were concerned about big galaxies getting plucked out of the sky by light weapons.

[IHateMMOs]

I agree with this. Even though I'm NC, I still didn't like seeing one NC slaughter an entire army of TR. It's just not "war-like". 90% of the stuff in the trailer is impossible to do, like run on a Galaxy? Shoot at it and kill everyone inside? A TANK SHELL couldn't break through a LIBERATOR, but bullets break through a Galaxy? Comon, SOE was on a good trailer streak, and this just pissed me the hell off. But they did pay alot for this trailer, so we should all still appreciate it. If only it actually represented Planetside, and not Halo, I would have been much more thankful.

[TheDrone]

I'd like to do an exercise with you guys.

You have the PlanetSide 2 trailer.

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Now we'll see some other trailers and compare each of them with the PS2 trailer.

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Each and every single one of those trailers is better than the PS2 trailer. Literally each and every single one.

It's blatantly obvious that the trailer was a pretty cheap production. It's too short to tell its story. It has a generic voice-over that could've been of any combat videogame ever.
Very, very few effects. Very few animated models, a lot of statics actually.
Big-ass galaxies used to reduce render time by blocking the most part of the screen.
...

The trailer was too short to properly understand the abysmal story it was trying to tell.

Therefore there was no story element. There were no "woah" mechanics shown or other cool things.

The "scale" was in fact not that impressive and often used in a lot of CGI trailers as a lot of games offer the scale, but in their story, not in the form of gameplay.

All in all it was an incredibly uninspired, way too short, unappealing and forgettable trailers.

They limited the action to one model because then they'd only have to rig one model. Probably no new mocap required.

There was one explosion which was very underwhelming if you look at what Blur Studio can do.

The dramatic pacing was all wrong and we're obviously missing a first act.

What's with the incredibly stupid and generic voice-over? What's he saying? And why? It doesn't fit in the PS2 narrative at all, and is completely uninteresting to people who don't know the game and lore.

Due to the horrible color palette and the few models we actually get to see it's not even obvious there are 3 factions.


I could go on bashing this trailer...

[Memeotis]

This is the worst thread on the entire forum.

Well, if you're going to be a dick, then write a paragraph at least.

[MercDT]

Off topic, OP where did you read that this video is part 1 out of 3?

[Hyiero]

Drop pods aren't planetside? seriously dude,when was the last time you played planetside?? Not but 2 months ago everyone on the forums was buzzing about being able to see what drop pods looked like in ps2...

[Tamas]

Are you new to the internet and games? I would like to know, because it's just mind blowing when I see your post.

[Memeotis]

I agree with this. Even though I'm NC, I still didn't like seeing one NC slaughter an entire army of TR. It's just not "war-like". 90% of the stuff in the trailer is impossible to do, like run on a Galaxy? Shoot at it and kill everyone inside? A TANK SHELL couldn't break through a LIBERATOR, but bullets break through a Galaxy? Comon, SOE was on a good trailer streak, and this just pissed me the hell off. But they did pay alot for this trailer, so we should all still appreciate it. If only it actually represented Planetside, and not Halo, I would have been much more thankful.

Exactly. It's almost as if there's a rule that when making a cinematic: LIE, LIE, LIE. SOE is pushing the boundaries, bringing us to the cusp of a potential video game-revolution; this means you don't have to lie anymore. :/ Just show what you actually have and it will still blow as many minds.

Off topic, OP where did you read that this video is part 1 out of 3?

Hop into the chat on PSU. A couple of the guys instantly told me 'dude, this is only part one of three. There's one for each faction'

[Blue]

*YAWN*:rolleyes:
ctrl c ctrl v [everything that anyone said in reply to this thread]

It was awesome and is definitely going to grab peoples attention in the movie theater/tv/whatever else they put it on.

This game will be epic because they are opening the flood gates to tens of thousands of gamers. People will see this, type in planetside into google. And that's where they will learn it is a persistant free to play fpsmmorpg with gigantic landscapes including thousands of players using dynamic well balanced warfare tactics.

[Flaropri]

While the TR contracted Storm Trooper-itis, the NC "chief" led the charge, ramboing his way through multiple Storm Toopers, escaping the ire of the enemy MAX, and then finally going through and destroying a Gal with his pea-shooter.

However, while you might THINK that this promotes going off on your own, in the end, his lack of proper communication with allies and lack of friends to back him up made it so the obviously superior Vanu Teamwork could essentially lure his freshly respawned troops into a trap and take over the base from the Storm Troopers.


On the other hand, someone who just saw and knows nothing of PS2 would probably think: "Huh, so basically you're this guy in blue armor that has to go through and fight guys in red armor, and then out of no-where hot alien chicks show up... Is this a Crysis clone?"


The beauty of it though, is that CGI trailers are meant to get people interested. It doesn't have to convey true play. When people go to the website (or when they create a character, pending their ability to pay attention) they'll start to see: "Hey, I can PLAY the hot alien chick/baddass blue guy... and I guess they aren't aliens but who cares."

Then, they get a little further, see a half-dozen Gals idling... go past them thinking they are scenery or something, but they'll eventually get into a battle, eventually join a squad and realize, the trailer wasn't that far off... all those vehicles, the use of strategy, the poor aim of the TR*, everything.

Revelation does not need to happen from the CGI Trailer, it can happen in-game or via followup research into the game.


*(I do think it sucks for TR to be the Storm Troopers though, just because they'll be largely overlooked by that small subset of people.)

[TheDrone]

I'd like to do an exercise with you guys.

You have the PlanetSide 2 trailer.

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Now we'll see some other trailers and compare each of them with the PS2 trailer.

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Each and every single one of those trailers is better than the PS2 trailer. Literally each and every single one.

It's blatantly obvious that the trailer was a pretty cheap production. It's too short to tell its story. It has a generic voice-over that could've been of any combat videogame ever.
Very, very few effects. Very few animated models, a lot of statics actually.
Big-ass galaxies used to reduce render time by blocking the most part of the screen.
...

The trailer was too short to properly understand the abysmal story it was trying to tell.

Therefore there was no story element. There were no "woah" mechanics shown or other cool things.

The "scale" was in fact not that impressive and often used in a lot of CGI trailers as a lot of games offer the scale, but in their story, not in the form of gameplay.

All in all it was an incredibly uninspired, way too short, unappealing and forgettable trailers.

They limited the action to one model because then they'd only have to rig one model. Probably no new mocap required.

There was one explosion which was very underwhelming if you look at what Blur Studio can do.

The dramatic pacing was all wrong and we're obviously missing a first act.

What's with the incredibly stupid and generic voice-over? What's he saying? And why? It doesn't fit in the PS2 narrative at all, and is completely uninteresting to people who don't know the game and lore.

Due to the horrible color palette and the few models we actually get to see it's not even obvious there are 3 factions.


I could go on bashing this trailer...

[ArcGuard]

I could go on bashing this trailer...

Please, do go on. We're all dying to hear your opinion. :doh:

I don't even know how to respond to this... because none of it make sense. But okay, I guess obviously all those things you said. Rage! grr! etc.

Trailer was good, albeit maybe a little too fast pace. But good.

[ArmedZealot]

Please, do go on. We're all dying to hear your opinion.

Seriously. I'm one the edge of my seat waiting to hear it as well.

[TheDrone]

I'm suddenly not as motivated anymore as criticism isn't welcome, apparently.

[Reizod]

I'd like to do an exercise with you guys.

You have the PlanetSide 2 trailer.

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Now we'll see some other trailers and compare each of them with the PS2 trailer.


Each and every single one of those trailers is better than the PS2 trailer. Literally each and every single one.

It's blatantly obvious that the trailer was a pretty cheap production. It's too short to tell its story. It has a generic voice-over that could've been of any combat videogame ever.
Very, very few effects. Very few animated models, a lot of statics actually.
Big-ass galaxies used to reduce render time by blocking the most part of the screen.
...

The trailer was too short to properly understand the abysmal story it was trying to tell.

Therefore there was no story element. There were no "woah" mechanics shown or other cool things.

The "scale" was in fact not that impressive and often used in a lot of CGI trailers as a lot of games offer the scale, but in their story, not in the form of gameplay.

All in all it was an incredibly uninspired, way too short, unappealing and forgettable trailers.

They limited the action to one model because then they'd only have to rig one model. Probably no new mocap required.

There was one explosion which was very underwhelming if you look at what Blur Studio can do.

The dramatic pacing was all wrong and we're obviously missing a first act.

What's with the incredibly stupid and generic voice-over? What's he saying? And why? It doesn't fit in the PS2 narrative at all, and is completely uninteresting to people who don't know the game and lore.

Due to the horrible color palette and the few models we actually get to see it's not even obvious there are 3 factions.


I could go on bashing this trailer...

:boohoo: *sigh*

It seems someone is very bored. I mean, really... all this just to bash a trailer? Get over it already! It was an epic PS2 trailer and just becuase it was all SUPER UBER, you... :mad:

[Shamrock]

As a marketing tool i think it works just fine, i don't think anyone expects a realistic depiction of game-play in a CGI trailer.

[Temperance]

And now that I've been informed at this is merely pt.1 of 3, each going to showcase a specific faction, this point is irrelevant. So ignore it. :D
Umm...source???

[ArmedZealot]

I'm suddenly not as motivated anymore as criticism isn't welcome, apparently.

If you are gunna dish it out be prepared to get served some as well.

Shit was good yo.

[Blackwolf]

I really think people miss the point of trailers completely.

It's a cinematic movie more or less a "day in the life of this guy" kind of set up. It's meant to attract attention and gauge drool value, not blare out "hey this is what we do!". The Hope trailer featured a whole lot of troopers and sith, very few of the other classes though. This didn't tell the community "this game will be all about troopers and sith".

Settle down people.

[ArcGuard]

I'm suddenly not as motivated anymore as criticism isn't welcome, apparently.

Oh no! Tragic loss. Tragic.

But seriously "criticism" is not going "This sucks! This is stupid! Why couldn't it have been made like a carbon copy of these (Which I totally like way better, so obviously everyone else does)!? This sucks!"

Edit: Suddenly we're on page 35! Yay thread mergers!

[TheDrone]

:boohoo: *sigh*

It seems someone is very bored. I mean, really... all this just to bash a trailer? Get over it already! It was an epic PS2 trailer and just becuase it was all SUPER UBER, you... :mad:

My god. This is insane. I really, really, really, really like Planetside and I love Higby, and I want to have babies with his hair. I have 97 TR tattoes and one of the other two factions for good measure.

But I'm not so blinded that I can't see that trailer was downright BAD.

Seriously, be HONEST (like, don't lie to yourself) and look at other trailers.

I chose those for good reason, BTW. All of them prove it's possible to make a good trailer with limitations in this or that department.

[ArcGuard]

Seriously, be HONEST (like, don't lie to yourself) and look at other trailers.

I saw the trailer and said to myself "Hey, that was a pretty fine trailer. I bet other people who aren't into planetside yet would love to see this"

And as such, it was VERY successful.

[Xyntech]

My god. This is insane. I really, really, really, really like Planetside and I love Higby, and I want to have babies with his hair. I have 97 TR tattoes and one of the other two factions for good measure.

But I'm not so blinded that I can't see that trailer was downright BAD.

Seriously, be HONEST (like, don't lie to yourself) and look at other trailers.

I chose those for good reason, BTW. All of them prove it's possible to make a good trailer with limitations in this or that department.

My favorite part is where you posted this on the previous page, didn't get enough of a response, so decided to post it again on this page :rofl:

[Rivenshield]

We can talk about it till we are blue in the face but it is what it is.
/shrug

Planetside is a cult unto itself, for anyone who ever played it. We're the FPS answer to Trekkies. We're going to put everything under a microscope and yell about it endlessly. That's a given.

That said: The teaser promised us a peek at THE REBELS! THE PROFESSIONALS! THE VISIONARIES! The second half -- or even the last third -- of that damn thing should have had the smurf getting shot up by a coordinated Terran squad, who proceed to cover each other and take on the pod-dropping NC and bark out military-sounding radio chatter to each other until the sole survivor gets shanked by the Vanu ninja chicks and we see the incoming purple horde. That would have been fine. Three sides. Rock paper scissors weaponry. You embed that concept seamlessly into the narrative.

And then we see the NC narrator appear back in his spawn tube and hear him grind out something like "THEN WE GO OUT AND DO IT ALL OVER AGAIN." Respawning isn't a gaming mechanic handwave in PS; it's part of the setting. It's lore. They failed to show that. It would have been easy to embed *that* into the narrative. It would have only taken a few seconds. I was EXPECTING super-smurf to dissolve into the ground and respawn. Why didn't he?

Now that would still have been smurf-centric as hell, but everybody would have had their little FUCK YEAH GO US moment. It would have planted the seeds of the ideas of what makes each faction different and how the game itself works. The TEASER had that quality, for Christ's fucking sake!:mad: The gameplay trailer had it. This didn't.

All I took from it was the small thrill of seeing in-game vehicles and equipment and the knowledge that SOE is willing to put some serious advertising bucks into this venture. But even as an ad, it falls halfway flat. My butthurt as a tech pubs guy goes way beyond the TR getting no air time except as incompetent cannon fodder. There's so much wasted potential here.

Ah well. We'll always have the teaser. And the game itself, natch.

[ArmedZealot]

My god. This is insane. I really, really, really, really like Planetside and I love Higby, and I want to have babies with his hair. I have 97 TR tattoes and one of the other two factions for good measure.

But I'm not so blinded that I can't see that trailer was downright BAD.

Seriously, be HONEST (like, don't lie to yourself) and look at other trailers.

I chose those for good reason, BTW. All of them prove it's possible to make a good trailer with limitations in this or that department.

Yeah, no you don't.

The trailer did everything it was supposed to. Showed the scale of the game, brought some light to the lore (PS's lore is shitty, can't really knock them for doing with what they had), and showed the dreams of a hero on the battlefield (Not that this is what actually happens, but it is what noobs and the customers want to happen, everyone wants to be a badass and a hero).

What is the problem here? That it didn't have enough CGI for you? The whole damn thing was CGI.

[ArcGuard]

My favorite part is where you posted this on the previous page, didn't get enough of a response, so decided to post it again on this page :rofl:

Hah. I think that's because they merged two threads. I guess he Copy pasta'd it in two threads.

[Reizod]

My god. This is insane. I really, really, really, really like Planetside and I love Higby, and I want to have babies with his hair. I have 97 TR tattoes and one of the other two factions for good measure.

But I'm not so blinded that I can't see that trailer was downright BAD.

Seriously, be HONEST (like, don't lie to yourself) and look at other trailers.

I chose those for good reason, BTW. All of them prove it's possible to make a good trailer with limitations in this or that department.

I am being HONEST... my hype and expectation meter is not as high as yours for a super duper uber trailer for PS2 to be on par or better than some OTHER games'. If you are HONEST with yourself, you would realize you need to stop being so damn tight.

And if you was HONEST with yourself, you wouldn't say the trailer was "downright BAD"... as I'm sure I can show you some trailers that truly are. And you would be like... wow towards the PS2 trailer compared to those.

So, just... :chill: and enjoy what they did in the first place!

[Temperance]

And now that I've been informed at this is merely pt.1 of 3, each going to showcase a specific faction, this point is irrelevant. So ignore it. :D
Seriously...source???

[TheDrone]

Oh no! Tragic loss. Tragic.

But seriously "criticism" is not going "This sucks! This is stupid! Why couldn't it have been made like a carbon copy of these (Which I totally like way better, so obviously everyone else does)!? This sucks!"

Edit: Suddenly we're on page 35! Yay thread mergers!


I'm honestly very appreciative of your attempts at a constructive and insightful critique of my comment, but why not do as I did, and, I dunno... source what you say? Put a little thought into it?

I'm not suggesting a carbon copy. That's why I posted a wide range of trailers from a few studios and a few game genres.

I actually tell you why some parts of the trailer are bad and where obviously corners were cut.


I really think people miss the point of trailers completely.

It's a cinematic movie more or less a "day in the life of this guy" kind of set up. It's meant to attract attention and gauge drool value, not blare out "hey this is what we do!". The Hope trailer featured a whole lot of troopers and sith, very few of the other classes though. This didn't tell the community "this game will be all about troopers and sith".

Settle down people.

I'm a huge fan of trailers and cinematic game trailers. That's why I know this was a bad one.


If you are gunna dish it out be prepared to get served some as well.

Shit was good yo.

I did not get served as none of my points have been refuted.

"Shit was good yo." Only serves to degrades the IX of the people who read that sentence.


I saw the trailer and said to myself "Hey, that was a pretty fine trailer. I bet other people who aren't into planetside yet would love to see this"

And as such, it was VERY successful.

Why? It didn't involve anything that made it stand out from other games/trailers.


My favorite part is where you posted this on the previous page, didn't get enough of a response, so decided to post it again on this page :rofl:

Well, contrary to some I like to see some constructive criticisms of my opinion. I guess I don't have the stamina for a massive circlejerk.


/shrug

Planetside is a cult unto itself, for anyone who ever played it. We're the FPS answer to Trekkies. We're going to put everything under a microscope and yell about it endlessly. That's a given.

That said: The teaser promised us a peek at THE REBELS! THE PROFESSIONALS! THE VISIONARIES! The second half -- or even the last third -- of that damn thing should have had the smurf getting shot up by a coordinated Terran squad, who proceed to cover each other and take on the pod-dropping NC and bark out military-sounding radio chatter to each other until the sole survivor gets shanked by the Vanu ninja chicks and we see the incoming purple horde. That would have been fine. Three sides. Rock paper scissors weaponry. You embed that concept seamlessly into the narrative.

And then we see the NC narrator appear back in his spawn tube and hear him grind out something like "THEN WE GO OUT AND DO IT ALL OVER AGAIN." Respawning isn't a gaming mechanic handwave in PS; it's part of the setting. It's lore. They failed to show that. It would have been easy to embed *that* into the narrative. It would have only taken a few seconds. I was EXPECTING super-smurf to dissolve into the ground and respawn. Why didn't he?

Now that would still have been smurf-centric as hell, but everybody would have had their little FUCK YEAH GO US moment. It would have planted the seeds of the ideas of what makes each faction different and how the game itself works. The TEASER had that quality, for Christ's fucking sake!:mad: The gameplay trailer had it. This didn't.

All I took from it was the small thrill of seeing in-game vehicles and equipment and the knowledge that SOE is willing to put some serious advertising bucks into this venture. But even as an ad, it falls halfway flat. My butthurt as a tech pubs guy goes way beyond the TR getting no air time except as incompetent cannon fodder. There's so much wasted potential here.

Ah well. We'll always have the teaser. And the game itself, natch.


You make a few amazingly well put points that I hadn't even thought of. Congratulations for your amazing contribution to this discussion. (no sarcasm)


Yeah, no you don't.

The trailer did everything it was supposed to. Showed the scale of the game, brought some light to the lore (PS's lore is shitty, can't really knock them for doing with what they had), and showed the dreams of a hero on the battlefield (Not that this is what actually happens, but it is what noobs and the customers want to happen, everyone wants to be a badass and a hero).

What is the problem here? That it didn't have enough CGI for you? The whole damn thing was CGI.

No it did not do what it was supposed to. It did not tell a story. It told a very much lobotomized story that was obviously cut short to save costs.
It did not show any exceptional scale. Look at those trailers of the games I posted. Those aren't games with scale. Yet they showcase a lot more scale (and some do it with very limited means, interestingly) than the PS2 CGI trailer does.
Assuming everyone wants to be a badass is ignoring the strong point of PS2, which also happens to attract hordes of interested players from the BF series, is teamwork which was sorely under-lit in this trailer.

Did I ever say they didn't have enough CGI? Did I ever? At any point? Stop making up what I said.


I am being HONEST... my hype and expectation meter is not as high as yours for a super duper uber trailer for PS2 to be on par or better than some OTHER games'. If you are HONEST with yourself, you would realize you need to stop being so damn tight.

And if you was HONEST with yourself, you wouldn't say the trailer was "downright BAD"... as I'm sure I can show you some trailers that truly are. And you would be like... wow towards the PS2 trailer compared to those.

So, just... :chill: and enjoy what they did in the first place!

It was BAD. Look at all those CGI trailers, a few of which came from the same studio and one of which came from SOE (and the same studio).

For the level of money involved, for the studio involved, for the fact that this is an AAA title, this is a really bad trailer.

It does not have anything special. At all.

[earlydeath]

this was absolutely amazing i loved it i could def watch a movie about planetside loved the entire thing especially the ending! go vs! that poor nc commander tho or whatever :/

[HenchAnt]

I think its a very solid trailer, I liked it.

The "story" reminded me a bit of the Dawn of War Trailer, and the jumping from airplane to airplane was a bit over the top for me.

And yes, the trailer doesn't really showcase squad level teamplay.

But it's technically well done, well narrated. And with a project this big, I can't blame Sony to play it save.

And the trailer manages to showcase three important facts:
- Massive battles. This will be even more impressive once players learn that there are no NPC. While huge armies are nothing special to Planetside trailer, it gets special once the "all this are players" aspect sinks in.
- Infantry matters. Even against Airplanes. They could have gone the easy way and show have some airplanes saving the day by mopping everything up as the climax of the trailer. They didn't. They showed infantry getting to a strategical advantageous position to get in more infantry.

On a more sublte note:
The trailer shows an NC outfit slicing through the TR Zerg only to be stopped cold by a VS empire raid.

The trailer doesn't busy itself with showcasing the usual stuff (this are our classes, this are our vehicles), but cuts to the "this are ways to play our massive game" part. All presented with lots of action and explosions, of course. ;)

[RageMasterUK]

I thought the trailer pwned...

I dont see a newly released trailer and think "OMG Im gonna compare it to seven other trailers". I do all my 'feeling' while Im watching. Even if the first-contact viewers get misunderstandings about gameplay I DGAF. They will search for gameplay footage unless they want to pre-judge the game from an FMV like idiots, theres plenty of that to find on youtube already. And none of the games are like the FMVs you posted. Its called ARTISTIC REPRESENTATION, which is what FMV is all about.

It worked for the purpose intended... makes people say "Planetside 2" a whole lot more in the future.

Take TheDrone for instance, it drummed up enough hype for him to go searching out other trailers and writing two massive posts about it here. Your interest just got DRIVEN lol. Mine too, evidently :D

-RageMasterUK

[ArmedZealot]

No it did not do what it was supposed to. It did not tell a story. It told a very much lobotomized story that was obviously cut short to save costs.

PS's story is lobotomized to start with...

Smurfs killing Barneys killing Elmos. Repeat. The trailer could have been a crazed episode of Sesame street and done as good of a job of reflecting the lore of PS.


It did not show any exceptional scale. Look at those trailers of the games I posted.

My bad. I must have missed the gazillion Vanu at the end, and the Drop Pods, the galaxies that "Chief" climbed over like a boss, and the hordes of dudes he jumped through at the beginning.


Assuming everyone wants to be a badass is ignoring the strong point of PS2, which also happens to attract hordes of interested players from the BF series, is teamwork which was sorely under-lit in this trailer.

Fair point, but it really doesn't take away from the trailer too much. And again, none of the trailers, especially for TOR accurately showed what was going to happen in the game...

Not to mention that PS is upheld by the zerg, who ignore teamplay and outfits. This trailer appeals to them mostly.

Did I ever say they didn't have enough CGI? Did I ever? At any point? Stop making up what I said.


Very, very few effects. Very few animated models, a lot of statics actually.
Big-ass galaxies used to reduce render time by blocking the most part of the screen. Im taking this to mean more CGI...

[Memeotis]

I'm suddenly not as motivated anymore as criticism isn't welcome, apparently.

You'll get used to it. :) It's okay if you criticize something about and suggest a few tweaks, but if you ever say that something about a game is downright bad, people tend to instantly assume that you hate the entire game. They therefore skim through your post, sticking to their assumption; thinking they know exactly what you're going to say, and then they take a part and reply to it out of context.

Don't take it personally, I know I don't. I'm planning to become a sociologist, so I actually find it kind of interesting. :D

I experienced it on the dust 514 beta forums too, where when I'd come up with gameplay ideas people were like 'omg how did you come up with that?!', but then when you wrote strong critique they think you're either dumb, a bad player, or a troll.

[Steambot]

I think everyone is getting way to caught up in this, personally.

I thought the trailer kicked ass, and that's really all there is to say about it. I am not an expert on game trailers, but I know when I like something.

I've watched that thing three times today, and three times I thought it was awesome.

This argument is getting out of hand.

[Deadeye]

I did notice he was hunkered down with a medic treating someone when he hid behind that rock for a couple seconds. Does that count as showing teamplay?

The trailer was fine, guys. If people want more information, they'll look up the other trailers. Only the idiots we don't care about are going to go on this one trailer for anything.

I wonder about one thing though: Is there going to be a drop pod beacon in the game?

[TheDrone]

I think its a very solid trailer, I liked it.

The "story" reminded me a bit of the Dawn of War Trailer, and the jumping from airplane to airplane was a bit over the top for me.

And yes, the trailer doesn't really showcase squad level teamplay.

But it's technically well done, well narrated. And with a project this big, I can't blame Sony to play it save.

And the trailer manages to showcase three important facts:
- Massive battles. This will be even more impressive once players learn that there are no NPC. While huge armies are nothing special to Planetside trailer, it gets special once the "all this are players" aspect sinks in.
- Infantry matters. Even against Airplanes. They could have gone the easy way and show have some airplanes saving the day by mopping everything up as the climax of the trailer. They didn't. They showed infantry getting to a strategical advantageous position to get in more infantry.

On a more sublte note:
The trailer shows an NC outfit slicing through the TR Zerg only to be stopped cold by a VS empire raid.

The trailer doesn't busy itself with showcasing the usual stuff (this are our classes, this are our vehicles), but cuts to the "this are ways to play our massive game" part. All presented with lots of action and explosions, of course. ;)

It's not clear at all "massive battles" are PS2's thing.
Look at the trailers I posted. None of those have massive battles as a gameplay mechanic, yet some of them feature massive battles.
It's a pretty common trope to get the epic effect in trailers.
PS2 should've tried to stand out in a different way.

The impression it gave is "woah that guy is overpowered". They could've framed that with some context. Made it look less effortless. More human. But that would've dragged the trailer out.

Lots of explosions? Lots of actions? I disagree.


I thought the trailer pwned...

I dont see a newly released trailer and think "OMG Im gonna compare it to seven other trailers". I do all my 'feeling' while Im watching. Even if the first-contact viewers get misunderstandings about gameplay I DGAF. They will search for gameplay footage unless they want to pre-judge the game from an FMV like idiots, theres plenty of that to find on youtube already. And none of the games are like the FMVs you posted. Its called ARTISTIC REPRESENTATION, which is what FMV is all about.

It worked for the purpose intended... makes people say "Planetside 2" a whole lot more in the future.

Take TheDrone for instance, it drummed up enough hype for him to go searching out other trailers and writing two massive posts about it here. Your interest just got DRIVEN lol. Mine too, evidently :D

-RageMasterUK

I do admit I'm being a bit weird by using my brain. I've been diagnosed with "Brain Use". It's a rare disorder, which can be compared by for example using one's pancreas, since, as we all know, the brain is an unused organ by humans.
Currently there is no real cure for my condition, which is a shame as it has some effects such as a deep unhappiness and a profound alienation from people.
On occasion it also causes me to use my brain while watching a trailer.

As I've said a few times in the past, I understand completely that a cinematic trailer requires a healthy dose of artistic licence.
But it should still convey SOMETHING of the game. The atmosphere propagated by the combination of the story and gameplay.

There is literally nothing that makes PS2 seem special in that trailer. Nothing at all.
It's incredibly generic and people who don't already know PS2 are sure to have forgotten about it soon.

BTW, this was, by definition, NOT an FMV.
Show how much you know.

Oh and I didn't get motivated to look up trailers because of the PS2 trailer. I know my trailers.


PS's story is lobotomized to start with...

Smurfs killing Barneys killing Elmos. Repeat. The trailer could have been a crazed episode of Sesame street and done a better job of reflecting the lore of PS.

It's actually surprisingly rich for an FPS. Look into the lore.
And not only that, there is the fact that faction loyalty which, contrary to many if not most games, actually WORKS in PS2. That's why they've been drumming that up so much.

And I'm talking about the story of the trailer. That's REALLY important in a cinematic trailer.


My bad. I must have missed the gazillion Vanu at the end, and the Drop Pods, the galaxies that "Chief" climbed over like a boss, and the hordes of dudes he jumped through at the beginning.

I'm talking exceptional scale.

And even then, huge scale battles are so commonly used in cinematic trailers to convey a sense of epicness that it's doubtful that it could be easily communicated PS2 is special in this regard. It didn't work in this trailer.



Fair point, but it really doesn't take away from the trailer too much. And again, none of the trailers, especially for TOR accurately showed what was going to happen in the game...

Not to mention that PS is upheld by the zerg, who ignore teamplay and outfits. This trailer appeals to them mostly.

I'm not saying the trailer should've literally showed what was to happen in the trailer. If you look my comment history it's obvious I know very well what a trailer is supposed to do.

But it should at least convey SOMETHING of what is unique about the game.

Im taking this to mean more CGI...

Nope. I'm guessing you're not familiar as to how to use the terminology.

I'm not talking about adding more computer generated images. I'm talking about different ones. Or at the very least better ones. But preferably different.

You'll get used to it. :) It's okay if you criticize something about and suggest a few tweaks, but if you ever say that something about a game is downright bad, people tend to instantly assume that you hate the entire game. They therefore skim through your post, sticking to their assumption; thinking they know exactly what you're going to say, and then they take a part and reply to it out of context.

Don't take it personally, I know I don't. I'm planning to become a sociologist, so I actually find it kind of interesting. :D

I experienced it on the dust 514 beta forums too, where when I'd come up with gameplay ideas people were like 'omg how did you come up with that?!', but then when you wrote strong critique they think you're either dumb, a bad player, or a troll.

Thanks for the nice post.

You find it interesting because you're a sociologist. I find it very tiring and I almost wish I were a murderous sociopath. Maybe that would make living a little easier, perhaps.

In a sense I'm sure it's me tho.


The crazy thing is that I'm not criticizing the game, but just a trailer.

[rhilir]

great video. Ended the way it show with vs comming in force.

[HenchAnt]

Fair point, but it really doesn't take away from the trailer too much.

Especially since it showed a suicide mission of light assaults rushing through the enemy Zerg, with the goal to call down the heavy assault to cut the enemy main zerg of from the warp gate. Sounds very Planetside2 to me.

The trailer has quite a "Die fighting for your faction" theme going on. So its less about owning, and more like "you win some, you lose some". But with non-stop action, in a fight of epic proportions - or so the trailer promises.
That's fine with me.
(I liked it a lot more than that inane Assassin Creeds 3 trailer.)

[ArmedZealot]

I'm talking exceptional scale.

And even then, huge scale battles are so commonly used in cinematic trailers to convey a sense of epicness that it's doubtful that it could be easily communicated PS2 is special in this regard. It didn't work in this trailer.


How can you improve on the scale shown in the video without it turning into a bunch of nonsense?

This is the one TRUE thing to PS that was somewhat accurately represented in the trailer.

Just because other games lie about their scale doesn't mean that PS need to try to 1 up it. It already has it.

(I liked it a lot more than that inane Assassin Creeds 3 trailer.)


Yeah, I dont get why that was even posted.

[PoisonTaco]

Only thing I didn't like about the trailer was that it had too much grey and brown. Planetside 2 is colorful and I would have liked to see the colors stand out a bit more.

[ArmedZealot]

Only thing I didn't like about the trailer was that it had too much grey and brown. Planetside 2 is colorful and I would have liked to see the colors stand out a bit more.

See this is something I can complain about. What drew me into PS2 was the screen shots with the TRONish night fight feel. Clashing colors all around and beautiful explosions.

But hey, this is a war game after all, better make it all gritty and whatnot.

That and the music. Where is Don's music?

[TheDrone]

How can you improve on the scale shown in the video without it turning into a bunch of nonsense?

This is the one TRUE thing to PS that was somewhat accurately represented in the trailer.

Just because other games lie about their scale doesn't mean that PS need to try to 1 up it. It already has it.

As I've said before and should have been obvious from what I've said: I'm saying different, not necessarily more.


And how are people supposed to differentiate the "real" scale of PS2 with the "fake" scale of the other trailers? It's not really a selling point for trailers.



Yeah, I dont get why that was even posted.



Because it used relatively few means (almost no background, a lot of cookie-cutter models) and used pauses to build dramatic tension. That's why.


See this is something I can complain about. What drew me into PS2 was the screen shots with the TRONish night fight feel. Clashing colors all around and beautiful explosions.

But hey, this is a war game after all, better make it all gritty and whatnot.

That and the music. Where is Don's music?

That music of the game isn't really well-suited to be used for trailer music. That's why a lot of trailers in film and games use pre-made trailer music (usually made by Audiomachine, Two Steps From Hell, ...) because that is easier to edit and usually has a faster "beat" compared to normal soundtracks, this to accommodate the usually faster pace of trailers.

And the comment about the colors is quite correct. It wasn't obvious there were 3 factions.

[Littleman]

Everytime I watch the cinematic, it gets better and better everytime because I stop watching it as a Planetside vet and instead just enjoy it as a theatrical trailer, not one representative of the mechanics of the game, or the factions of the game, but the core of the game: massive cluster fuck battles and the delusional day dreams of being THAT guy in the video and kicking a lot of ass.

Anyone breaking this down frame by frame to explain why it doesn't live up to their idea of how to best represent Planetside isn't the target audience nor do they get the point.

[Xyntech]

Well if we're going to play the deconstruction game, let's have some fun with it.

Here is TheDrone's original critique post of the trailer. Blue for objective analysis, red for subjective opinion:

Each and every single one of those trailers is better than the PS2 trailer. Literally each and every single one.

It's blatantly obvious that the trailer was a pretty cheap production. It's too short to tell its story. It has a generic voice-over that could've been of any combat videogame ever.
Very, very few effects. Very few animated models, a lot of statics actually.
Big-ass galaxies used to reduce render time by blocking the most part of the screen.
...

The trailer was too short to properly understand the abysmal story it was trying to tell.

Therefore there was no story element. There were no "woah" mechanics shown or other cool things.

The "scale" was in fact not that impressive and often used in a lot of CGI trailers as a lot of games offer the scale, but in their story, not in the form of gameplay.

All in all it was an incredibly uninspired, way too short, unappealing and forgettable trailers.

They limited the action to one model because then they'd only have to rig one model. Probably no new mocap required.

There was one explosion which was very underwhelming if you look at what Blur Studio can do.

The dramatic pacing was all wrong and we're obviously missing a first act.

What's with the incredibly stupid and generic voice-over? What's he saying? And why? It doesn't fit in the PS2 narrative at all, and is completely uninteresting to people who don't know the game and lore.

Due to the horrible color palette and the few models we actually get to see it's not even obvious there are 3 factions.

I could go on bashing this post...

Sure, everyone is circle jerking because they happen to enjoy the trailer. A few people don't, and there's nothing wrong with saying so. There's also nothing wrong with breaking down some of the technical aspects of it compared to other game trailers.

There have been plenty of dissenters in this thread, including the owner of this site himself. Nothing wrong with having an opinion or starting a discussion.

I just find that posts style of pseudo-intellectual breakdown to be hilariously bad, because it masquerades as a fact driven exposé while seeming to be little more than an attempt to prove why one persons opinion is more valid than the opinions of others.

[ArmedZealot]

As I've said before and should have been obvious from what I've said: I'm saying different, not necessarily more.

And how are people supposed to differentiate the "real" scale of PS2 with the "fake" scale of the other trailers? It's not really a selling point for trailers.


Right. Well explain how you would "differently" pull off exceptional scale.


Because it used relatively few means (almost no background, a lot of cookie-cutter models) and used pauses to build dramatic tension. That's why.

IMO PS isn't really a game that would benefit from that in a trailer. Or at least 1 cinematic trailer. If they were doinga a "meet the cloaker class" or something similar in a cinematic trailer this could be used a bit more effectively.

Nah, big battles with fast action is the way to go for PS. Nonstop mayhem and boom. That is what draws new people to PS.




That music of the game isn't really well-suited to be used for trailer music. That's why a lot of trailers in film and games use pre-made trailer music (usually made by Audiomachine, Two Steps From Hell, ...) because that is easier to edit and usually has a faster "beat" compared to normal soundtracks, this to accommodate the usually faster pace of trailers.

Eh, I just don't get why they couldn't have come up with a trailer version of PS1's theme and cut it to sync with the appropriate action scenes. They were willing to shove out the bucks on getting a professional trailer done but skimped out on the music to attenuate people to the action.

Look at Halo's music. The guitar in the theme got added and overcharged with each installment. Could've done something as well for PS.

And the comment about the colors is quite correct. It wasn't obvious there were 3 factions. Indeed. The TR could have used a bit more red all over with their MAXs at the least.

[Raymac]

I've always been a sucker for looooong tracking shots, so I'm sure that is part of the reason I liked this trailer so much.

[Xaine]

that squad of vanu should be killed for their failure they should of killed the nc b4 he could summon a drop

Alright Stalin, calm down.

[TheDrone]

Well if we're going to play the deconstruction game, let's have some fun with it.

[COLOR="DeepSkyBlue"]

Sure, everyone is circle jerking because they happen to enjoy the trailer. A few people don't, and there's nothing wrong with saying so. There's also nothing wrong with breaking down some of the technical aspects of it compared to other game trailers.

There have been plenty of dissenters in this thread, including the owner of this site himself. Nothing wrong with having an opinion or starting a discussion.


You contradict yourself. At first you judge "It's blatantly obvious that the trailer was a pretty cheap production." as being subjective while you judge "It has a generic voice-over that could've been of any combat videogame ever.
Very, very few effects. Very few animated models, a lot of statics actually.
Big-ass galaxies used to reduce render time by blocking the most part of the screen." as being objective.
You do realize the latter was intended to factually support the former, right? And it very much does as it's pretty much the only conclusion that could be drawn.

"The trailer was too short to properly understand the abysmal story it was trying to tell."

This is quite an objective fact. Where is the first act? Where is the risk established? Where is established what is at stake? When is established what this guy is doing?

"Therefore there was no story element."
This is indeed debatable.

"They limited the action to one model because then they'd only have to rig one model. Probably no new mocap required."

Again this is objective as it is a logical conclusion from the symptoms presented.
That's the reason why you rig only a few models. Because rigging is a time-consuming process (and therefore expensive). And mo-cap is very expensive.

Is there any other reason why they rigged only one model? I doubt it.

"The dramatic pacing was all wrong and we're obviously missing a first act."

This is just very true. Story structure is a fairly exact science and it's pretty easy to spot when it doesn't fit. I guess a very, very basic knowledge on the subject is required to understand this. Need some reading tips?

"What's with the incredibly stupid and generic voice-over? What's he saying? And why? It doesn't fit in the PS2 narrative at all, and is completely uninteresting to people who don't know the game and lore."

You previously judged this point to be objective. Stop contradicting yourself.
It is objectively judged by me because it's obvious it's a generic voice over.
You can easily use it on any cinematic trailer involving a war of the last decade.



I just find that posts style of pseudo-intellectual breakdown to be hilariously bad, because it masquerades as a fact driven exposé while seeming to be little more than an attempt to prove why one persons opinion is more valid than the opinions of others.

Fact is that my objective analysis of this trailer hits more than a few sore spots and the fact that people refuse to see this isn't only an insult to intellectual honesty but also a HUGE disservice to SOE. If the next trailers suck then you know who to blame.

Right. Well explain how you would "differently" pull off exceptional scale.

I have a few ideas but then you'd think that by bashing those ideas you've disproved the greater point. Which is of course absurd.


IMO PS isn't really a game that would benefit from that in a trailer. Or at least 1 cinematic trailer. If they were doinga a "meet the cloaker class" or something similar in a cinematic trailer this could be used a bit more effectively.

Nah, big battles with fast action is the way to go for PS. Nonstop mayhem and boom. That is what draws new people to PS.

You're confusing the gameplay of the game with what could potentially make for an appealing trailer. Dramatic tension is a given in any kind of trailer, not just in those featuring a lack of action followed by a climax. You could build tension in the middle of a battle, for example.

Your confusion is normal because you know nothing about story or trailers and I'm annoying you with terminology you can't sufficiently contextualize.
You're excused.



Eh, I just don't get why they couldn't have come up with a trailer version of PS1's theme and cut it to sync with the appropriate action scenes. They were willing to shove out the bucks on getting a professional trailer done but skimped out on the music to attenuate people to the action.



It's a budget thing. It's incredibly hard to cut a longer piece if it's not suited for doing so. And it would probably cost a lot more to do this, or even worse to creatively constrain Don bu requesting he took trailer-cutting into account while composing.
Trust me, trailer music has proven its uses time and time again.

The fact that you do not know this is normal. You're excused.



I'm done with this discussion. It's not you, it's me. My expectation of intelligence employed by people isn't up to par with reality and I find this disappointing and frustrating.

[Boogster]

I'm done with this discussion. It's not you, it's me. My expectation of intelligence employed by people isn't up to par with reality and I find this disappointing and frustrating.

Good riddance. Fucking idiot.

[SirWhiteshadow]

Why is it so hard to grasp that the point of a trailer is for people that don't know what the fuck a planetside is to go, "Hey, I wonder what the fuck a planetside is" and google it.

You think anyone is worried that people who spend 2 hours a day posting on this forum aren't going to play the game?

You are not the target audience...

'And you are not your fucking khakis'

[Harasus]

I'm done with this discussion. It's not you, it's me. My expectation of intelligence employed by people isn't up to par with reality and I find this disappointing and frustrating.

This guy got problems, just from seeing this one last part of the post, that is obvious.

[Littleman]

I'm done with this discussion. It's not you, it's me. My expectation of intelligence employed by people isn't up to par with reality and I find this disappointing and frustrating.

This next quote is why you're not as brilliant as you think you are.

Why is it so hard to grasp that the point of a trailer is for people that don't know what the fuck a planetside is to go, "Hey, I wonder what the fuck a planetside is" and google it.

You think anyone is worried that people who spend 2 hours a day posting on this forum aren't going to play the game?

You are not the target audience...

'And you are not your fucking khakis'

The trailer's purpose? To look ****ing awesome. It achieved it's purpose, as comments on Youtube indicate (in before, "youtube comments are worthless.)

There was never a chance at intelligent debate, because you simply refuse to be wrong.

[Viva]

So looking foward to seeing the full length movie.

Going to be epic!

Cheers

[Symmenix]

So looking foward to seeing the full length movie.

Going to be epic!

Cheers

Its.. allready out..

wha..

[Littleman]

Its.. allready out..

wha..

He's joking. He means like an hour-and-a-half long feature.

There's no way anyone could do a Planetside film without intending to make it a trilogy anyway. There's just no justice in it otherwise.

[Xyntech]

Oh dear god, this is hilariously bad. You've gone from passing off opinion as fact to nitpicking my post to death. Quality work :rolleyes:

Let's see if I can sum this up so that my response is halfway legible.

(First series of point-counterpoints to my post)

When you use words like "abysmal," or make assumptions about what people did or did not understand, it stops being objective. Certainly I could have been more precise in my breakdown of some of your posts elements, but I felt that stuff like the generic voiceover were worth tossing you a bone, even if there were a couple lines referencing respawning that would be out of place in a lot of other trailers. Of course, once you start calling the voice over stupid, or talking about how you personally didn't get anything out of it, then it's lost all objectivity entirely.

Fact is that my objective analysis of this trailer hits more than a few sore spots and the fact that people refuse to see this isn't only an insult to intellectual honesty but also a HUGE disservice to SOE. If the next trailers suck then you know who to blame.

My "objective analysis" is that you've got an over inflated ego. PS2's trailers are doomed to failure if they don't listen to your criticisms, right?

You're confusing the gameplay of the game with what could potentially make for an appealing trailer. Dramatic tension is a given in any kind of trailer, not just in those featuring a lack of action followed by a climax. You could build tension in the middle of a battle, for example.

Your confusion is normal because you know nothing about story or trailers and I'm annoying you with terminology you can't sufficiently contextualize.
You're excused.

I don't know a lot about trailers, but I do know quite a bit about storytelling. But by all means, keep talking down to me like I'm some ignorant child. It really helps your argument. ;)

I'm done with this discussion. It's not you, it's me. My expectation of intelligence employed by people isn't up to par with reality and I find this disappointing and frustrating.

Bring that ball back here, I'm not done playing with it! Come back I said.

[Boomhowser]

great video. Ended the way it show with vs comming in force.

Yup Yet the way they were so organised can only mean one thing...

They have just finished ghost hacking the other continents :rofl:

[Xyntech]

Yup Yet the way they were so organised can only mean one thing...

They have just finished ghost hacking the other continents :rofl:

And that's why we always win... Because we're sneaky cloakers who like to backhack and front stab.

[DirtyBird]

I watched it again after sitting on my left eye for a few minutes until it went numb, so it felt like someone else watching.

[Boomhowser]

And that's why we always win... Because we're sneaky cloakers who like to backhack and front stab.

don't I just know it!! :D

[Raymac]

I watched it again after sitting on my left eye for a few minutes until it went numb, so it felt like someone else watching.

:rofl: l'etranger

[BillyBob]

I wonder if this trailer was made by Blur Studio (http://www.blur.com/)?

Can't put my finger on it, but it just seems to have that look and feel of a "Blur" trailer IMO.

/BB

[XxAxMayxX]

It does what it is supposed to cause hype. I don't like the fact that the NC light assualt is a bad ass but you can't be totally unbiased when it comes to planetside.

[Gonefshn]

Should have had a respawn at the end.

[Dreamcast]

Im wondering if who composed that badass music in the trailer?



Is it gonna be in Planetside 2?........I want to download it!

[Hamma]

This is the worst thread on the entire forum.

Woah woah, I wouldn't go that far.

[Top Grunt]

I imagine the VS getting decimated in the next scene by Higby and his Meteor shower dev commands. The NC in the video obviously looks like him for a reason, and the VS stabbing him to kick off their assault probably wasn't the brightest idea. Nice job VS.

NC4Life!

[fedhell]

Dunno if this has been posted in this thread, sorry not going to read 38 pages, but qq.com states that SOE spent 1 million dollars on that trailer 0.o. Did not realize they were that expensive.

http://translate.googleusercontent.com/translate_c?hl=en&rurl=translate.google.com&sl=zh-CN&tl=en&twu=1&u=http://games.qq.com/a/20120727/000036.htm&usg=ALkJrhiaC5qsSFFZAQKbdRcWiVZiwrPaQQ

[Minigun]

If they spent that much, expect to see it on T.V. soon

[Sephirex]

Can't really tell what its saying, it's so badly translated.

[LordReaver]

Also, it was blatantly obvious this was a pretty "budget" trailer. Very few assets, quite a limited set of animations and few large effects.

I hope there will be a better trailer before launch.

You are crazy, it easily cost them hundreds of thousands of dollars, probably a million or more to have made by one of the best CGI studios out there (Blur Studio)

[Tactical Pony]

It's hard to articulate what bugged me about the trailer, but I guess I can best describe it as... too RP-esque...

It felt like it was advertising a game where the hero of the rebel army whoops tyrant ass, before the evil purple overlords of all villainy come in as some sort of plot twist. The main hero is killed or almost killed at some point in the middle of the game after they make a crappy attempt to develop an emotional attachment to the hero.

If the trailer went on, I wouldnt be surprised to see the TR and NC unite against a common evil.

I know this is subjective, I'm not claiming to be giving any official review, but I seriously felt like the game was going to be the story of a guy who fought in a war rather than a live war scenario.

I think following the NC character only and having only him speak develops an us vs them mentality within the viewer, and I think what made the vanu seem like some greater evil was the cold an emotionless way in which they acted. I know they are big on alien technology, but they shouldnt be acting like something other than human. I'm sure if that had been a TR cloaker he would have jumped on the guy and viciously stabbed the s*** out of him, which would have made it seem more like an act of a combatant rather than a cold killer

hmm, guess it wasnt as hard to articulate as I thought...

[Goldeh]

I'm confused.

I thought trailers were generally for marketing purposes. I.E Selling the game not to give out fan service..GASP!

[Kitsune]

Dunno why people are complaining... Honestly...

It's a trailer, it's for selling the game.

It was cool, epic, and entertaining. You mad that they made a trailer that made you want more from gameplay or something? Or you just sour that in the end the Vanu won the tossup?

Either way, it was a very well done trailer.

[Rabb]

This is a great marketing trailer to drum up some interest. But at release or just after I would love to see some trailers similar to the EvE I was there one.

EVE Online: "I Was There" - YouTube

[Sledgecrushr]

I really enjoyed the trailer. I liked that as an individual on a humongous battlefield with thousands of people fighting that maybe I could be the difference. Dont get me wrong PS2 is all about team play but the game is going to be populated one person at a time. I think the soe publicity guys have gotten this trailer right.

[Xyntech]

Woah woah, I wouldn't go that far.

Stew threads, anyone?

;)

[Graywolves]

I absolutely loved the trailer. Full of intense action showing a wide variety of warfare. Just wonder what game it's for.


As some people have said it really did make the game look Single Player. The entire time I watched it I was thinking about Warhammer 40k: Space Marine.


If they do 2 more showcasing the TR and the VS that would be really nice. But as a stand alone trailer it really accomplishes nothing more than a bait and switch.


-edit-
Would have been really awesome if they showed him respawning at the end. The dialogue certainly felt like it was going to lead up to this. A soldier's psychology and how he's effected by this self-perpetuating massive war of immortality and mayhem.

[Aberdash]

All them galaxies at the end. Wonder how much AT paid to get that cameo.

[Guildion]

The trailer focus on 1 soldier, the future PS2 player.
People who never played Planetside don't care about what faction win or lose.

This is a great trailer, love it. I can't stop watching it !

[starshine]

the trailer will accomplish exactly what it was meant to: drum up hype for ps2 and not providing fanservice. the fans will already play this game even without this trailer.

[IHateMMOs]

Comon, so close to 1 million.

[PredatorFour]

Seems people are blown away by the trailer, not me. Its not even ingame ! People are like "this is amazing!" and its not actual game footage. I cant believe it.

[Aberdash]

Seems people are blown away by the trailer, not me. Its not even ingame ! People are like "this is amazing!" and its not actual game footage. I cant believe it.It's not meant for people who are already interested in PS2.

[PredatorFour]

But why paint a picture that is totally different to how the actual game looks? When they get ingame they`ll be like wtf.

[Revanmug]

Seems people are blown away by the trailer, not me. Its not even ingame ! People are like "this is amazing!" and its not actual game footage. I cant believe it.

we already saw game footage so we have an idea how the game is...

Not sure about you but I rather PLAY the game than just watch it. I can't believe people want to watch ingame footage when they could just wait and play themself...

[Aberdash]

All publishers do it. It's to generate hype among people who weren't interested before.

[Tachion]

naaa Vanu doesnt gloat at all...

[Raymac]

Watched it again last night. That long tracking shot is the best I've seen in any trailer (movie or video game). It's like the tracking shot in Goodfellas, only with explosions. The camera movements, the details going on in the periphery, the "holy shit" moments like the galaxy he just shot up crashing into the galaxy he is wrestling the TR on, all of it building up to the crescendo of the shock of getting stabbed out of nowhere and the decloaking VS reflecting in his visor.

I know it's cliche, but it really is action packed and it is bound to get more people to notice. 650,000 or so views after a day and a half...not bad.

[Razicator]

Seems people are blown away by the trailer, not me. Its not even ingame ! People are like "this is amazing!" and its not actual game footage. I cant believe it.

Jesus christ you and your ilk. You aren't the target audience for the trailer. Once you understand that, you can appreciate it for the entertainment.

I bet commercials, advertisements, and other game cinematics give you heart attacks. When Starcraft 2 trailer was first announced, did you yell "this is amazing!" or did you yell "this trailer makes it seem like SC2 is a FPS following one convict as he gets suited up in armor; it's not representative of the game at all!"

And of course you can poke holes in my 5 second analogy but whatever.

[ziegler]

Jesus christ you and your ilk. You aren't the target audience for the trailer. Once you understand that, you can appreciate it for the entertainment.


But he is right. and it is widespread throughout the industry. Did you watch the trailers for SWTOR? No where near representative of the actual ....hmm...I dont feel right calling it a game..but whatever.

It generates hype for the game, but I think the point being made, it creates false hype and then come launch, reality hits and negativity blows up all over the net.

Kick ass trailer all the same. Enjoyed it for what it is. A marketing commercial, and like everything else in the world these days, the commercial is nothing like the actual product. :eek:

[Blackwater]

God why does everyone care so much? The NC are the good guys, and the TR the bad guys. And the VS are the exotic loners, and the trailer shows exactly that.

TR will get enough troops on the fact theyre black and red, which is internet freaks favourite two badass colours.
If you knew the back story, you would know NC are NOT the good guys

[ItsTheSheppy]

So a friend of mine just watched the Planetside 2 trailer (with no prior knowledge of the first game) and told me "This looks awesome... Think it has multiplayer?"

He was completely serious.

So yeah. Beautiful trailer, not a great representation of the game at all.

A fantastic example of why trailers like this are, in the end, probably not worth all the effort that goes into them.

[Khagan Impi]

This trailer had 632,000 views. That's a ridiculously good result, and while the majority are likely to not pay much attention to it, there will still be a large amount of people who will google for Planetside 2 and find out more about how the game actually works. This was meant as a hook, a trailer type commonly used as advertising.

If this were the first trailer we ever saw, your complaining would be justified. But it really isn't. We've had a massive amount of trailers which display actual game-play and SOE has been quite judicious in their showing of game-play. We may have a full day's worth of gameplay easily accessible from Youtube.

Therefore, many are being entirely too hard on SOE. They have been immensely successful in the main point of the trailer: Actually attracting some attention to the game. While some may balk at the idea of any new people being introduced into their precious game, we should be happy that they are attempting to expand the userbase a bit. After all, if for nothing else, they'll be great targets ;).

[Blackwater]

As if all the TR think Higby had a hand in it...pfft.

http://i.imgur.com/q5Kj5.png

Oh.....

via @Arclegger :ncrocks:

He looks like a fat Kurt Russel

[Raymac]

A fantastic example of why trailers like this are, in the end, probably not worth all the effort that goes into them.

You're looking at it wrong. It's actually a fantastic example of why trailers do work. That guy's friend had no previous knowledge of Planetside. He watched the trailer. Now he has heard of "Planetside". THAT'S how trailers work.

Besides, trailers have been an essential part of marketing going back to the days of black & white movies. If it wasn't "worth it" they wouldn't still be so pervasive for so many decades.

[Craftyatom]

Awesome trailer, fantastic job guys! Keep it up!

[Rivenshield]

Did you watch the trailers for SWTOR? No where near representative of the actual ....hmm...I dont feel right calling it a game..but whatever.

Point of order: The trailers for SWTOR made both sides look totally badass, though one invariably wound up creaming the other. Even the TEASER for this trailer gave you that quality. THE REBELS! THE VISIONARIES! THE PROFESSIONALS! The finished product didn't.

Not only that, it made the game look like Haloside -- a conventional FPS where You Are Epic Fucking Hero Dude. That annuls any amount of marketing text on the size and scale and ambition of the game, or that there are even three sides to choose from with competitive weapons and vehicles. They didn't even show Super Smurf respawning, which would have been a golden opportunity to embed that facet of game lore into the visual narrative.

It's good eye candy. I hope that's enough. I *want* it to be enough. A lot of you seem to think so, and I trust the wisdom of crowds. But I dunno. You can write it off to Elmo butthurt if you please, but I think Sony really stepped on their million-dollar dick on this one.

[Revanmug]

You're looking at it wrong. It's actually a fantastic example of why trailers do work. That guy's friend had no previous knowledge of Planetside. He watched the trailer. Now he has heard of "Planetside". THAT'S how trailers work.

Besides, trailers have been an essential part of marketing going back to the days of black & white movies. If it wasn't "worth it" they wouldn't still be so pervasive for so many decades.

read what this guy said... The trailer ain't there for info. It's there to catch your attention and the other guy example proved it...

People complaining are like this:

"-You need to focus on getting more people if you want to be successful!
-OK... Guys, can I have your attention, I have an important news for all of you.
-I'm already listening to you
-I'm talking to the 100 behind you not listening...
-You are so stupid wasting time getting their attention. I am listening and that's all that mather!"

/facepalm

[aleksandrgrc]

Lol was just like irl.
Bloke takes on the world, thinks he's the ducks nutts and the hero then Bam. Taken down by a hot chick lol.
Happens every day lol

get this guy a stag and microphone lol.

[Blackwater]

Point of order: The trailers for SWTOR made both sides look totally badass, though one invariably wound up creaming the other. Even the TEASER for this trailer gave you that quality. THE REBELS! THE VISIONARIES! THE PROFESSIONALS! The finished product didn't.

Not only that, it made the game look like Haloside -- a conventional FPS where You Are Epic Fucking Hero Dude. That annuls any amount of marketing text on the size and scale and ambition of the game, or that there are even three sides to choose from with competitive weapons and vehicles. They didn't even show Super Smurf respawning, which would have been a golden opportunity to embed that facet of game lore into the visual narrative.

It's good eye candy. I hope that's enough. I *want* it to be enough. A lot of you seem to think so, and I trust the wisdom of crowds. But I dunno. You can write it off to Elmo butthurt if you please, but I think Sony really stepped on their million-dollar dick on this one.

Yeah. This

The trailer for the trailer was better than this.

[Aaron]

Over 1 million views in only 3 days...people will be trying out this game. Once they play it, it won't matter what the trailer represented. They'll be blown away.

[LastDawn]

...The battlefield in the modern warfare epic first person shooter could make you a combat veteran or you could end up with a halo over your head. Just watch this epic trailer that shows you what it is like to go PlanetSide 2!..

Youtube Description

Planetside 2 marketing department (ab)using Youtube to enlarge the possible playerbase..

[snaffe]

Planetside 2 marketing department (ab)using Youtube to enlarge the possible playerbase..

They had battlefield 3 in there as a video tag, dont know if its still there.

[LastDawn]

Yes, the tags in combination with the description will/could make this video show up as a related video next to a Battlefield montage for example. I have no problem with the trailer getting more publicity and this is how Youtube works, but "end up with a halo" caused me physical pain.

[Deadeye]

Point of order: The trailers for SWTOR made both sides look totally badass, though one invariably wound up creaming the other. Even the TEASER for this trailer gave you that quality. THE REBELS! THE VISIONARIES! THE PROFESSIONALS! The finished product didn't.

Not only that, it made the game look like Haloside -- a conventional FPS where You Are Epic Fucking Hero Dude. That annuls any amount of marketing text on the size and scale and ambition of the game, or that there are even three sides to choose from with competitive weapons and vehicles. They didn't even show Super Smurf respawning, which would have been a golden opportunity to embed that facet of game lore into the visual narrative.

It's good eye candy. I hope that's enough. I *want* it to be enough. A lot of you seem to think so, and I trust the wisdom of crowds. But I dunno. You can write it off to Elmo butthurt if you please, but I think Sony really stepped on their million-dollar dick on this one.

Do you reread your posts when you type them? Damn, man, you'd think you were the lead designer of the game and all of planetside was riding on your ability to hold it all together. You and people like you need to relax. It's just a god damn trailer for a game.

I spend a lot of time on my computer but some you out there really really need to get a life. There are a lot of things more worthy of being upset about than a video game trailer.

[aleksandrgrc]

like the georgia guide stones

[OnexBigxHebrew]

Do you reread your posts when you type them? Damn, man, you'd think you were the lead designer of the game and all of planetside was riding on your ability to hold it all together. You and people like you need to relax. It's just a god damn trailer for a game.

I spend a lot of time on my computer but some you out there really really need to get a life. There are a lot of things more worthy of being upset about than a video game trailer.

This right here.

You people read into shit like this like you're paralegals.

[MCYRook]

Planetside 2 marketing department (ab)using Youtube to enlarge the possible playerbase..
And I TOTALLY approve. :cool:

If it was for me, there could be flamey PS2 vs BF3 or vs CoD or vs Halo vids all over the intertubes, just to hype that shit up and make sure EVERY shooter player has this game on the radar!

[Xyntech]

I definitely agree that the trailer could have benefited by showing the TR in slightly more awesome light. It wouldn't have take much, just a couple of more obvious views of the "professionals" slaughtering a lot of the main NC's friends using their organization and focusing fire.

I still think the trailer is good and does what it needs to do, but I can't disagree with the sentiment that the NC and VS come off as awesome badasses and the TR come off more as generic cannon fodder. Just making the TR seem slightly more badass would have made the trailer perfect in my eyes.

But it doesn't really matter, because droves of people will still flock to the TR, and the trailer does a good job of advertising the game so that people will google it and find out what PS2 is really about. Even better since it's F2P, so everyone who gets interested will be more likely to download the game and give it a try, whether they try it during open beta, at launch, or 2 years from now when something reminds them of that game that they saw in an awesome trailer years ago.

[Boomhowser]

This right here.

You people read into shit like this like you're paralegals.

Not often I come across a word ive never seen before these days.. so you sir get a +1 for making me look up Paralegals :groovy:

[Xyntech]

Not often I come across a word ive never seen before these days.. so you sir get a +1 for making me look up Paralegals :groovy:

That's a pretty common word here in the states. Fucking litigious bastards.

[Ratstomper]

For all you people saying "It's meant to grab people's attention!! Stop being mean to the trailer!", they could have made a better representation of the game and still got people's attention. Besides that, it's bad form to misrepresent your product.

PS2 as so many unique and interesting facets, why did they play it up like another CoD or Halo?? People looking for single-player rambo killstreaks aren't the type of people who will pay for this game.

[WiteBeam]

For all you people saying "It's meant to grab people's attention!! Stop being mean to the trailer!", they could have made a better representation of the game and still got people's attention. Besides that, it's bad form to misrepresent your product.

PS2 as so many unique and interesting facets, why did they play it up like another CoD or Halo?? People looking for single-player rambo killstreaks aren't the type of people who will pay for this game.

I'm not paying for this game.

They are trying to get the eye of those types of gamers. It's about getting the game out there and making money. If SOE had the chance to get rid of every player from PS1 and gain twice as many CoD players to make more money, they would.

[Ratstomper]

I'm not paying for this game.

They are trying to get the eye of those types of gamers. It's about getting the game out there and making money. If SOE had the chance to get rid of every player from PS1 and gain twice as many CoD players to make more money, they would.

Whether or not someone gives money for the game is dependent on how much enjoyment they get out of it and how willing they are to stick with it. Playing it up as something it's not isn't going to attract people who will stick with the game, especially when going a different direction could have easily attracted the correct fanbase.

[ThermalReaper]

I was really hoping for 1 minute each for all factions being an actual team instead of NC hero crap.

[moosepoop]

yesterday i saw the trailer was at 45k views, i was like dang, i guess its too hardcore for most gamers.

today the view jumped to 1 million. i ejaculated instantly. almost gave me a heart attack lol.

[RageMasterUK]

All those worried about the trailer not representing their empire, or worry that it demos only one gameplay type (light-assault), or feel they missed that lick of genius by not showing the hero 'respawn' at the end, dont worry too much

I do not believe this is the last cinematic Planetside 2 trailer you will see.

See this post for my lengthy reasoning...
http://www.planetside-universe.com/showthread.php?t=45956

-RageMasterUK

[OnexBigxHebrew]

Not often I come across a word ive never seen before these days.. so you sir get a +1 for making me look up Paralegals :groovy:

YES! lol.

[Littleman]

People are still mistaking this trailer as though it's aimed at them...

It's a colossal waste of money to make a trailer for the sake of the people that already know of Planetside. This video is just to look cool for the big eyed crowd still playing with their crappy little 6v6 to 32v32 maps. Whether or not it actually conveys anything accurately isn't the point. It could have been a Terran jumping around, shooting NC $#!% up for what it was worth. It's intended purpose is to make someone interested enough in the game "Planetside" to bother looking it up and gathering their information that way.

And for the record, he was the ONLY NC to make it that far... the TR were tearing up the rest of the NC at the cliff base, hence the suicide operation consisting of a platoon of light-assault troopers to deploy a beacon within the base walls.

The only real tragedy of this cinematic was not showing his rebirth, though that would have gone completely against "only those who are left."

[WiteBeam]

The only real tragedy of this cinematic was not showing his rebirth, though that would have gone completely against "only those who are left."

I agree. Planetside is the only game I've ever played that had an explanation for a "respawn". It would be nice to see in the next trailer, a person die and then moments later gasp for air in a spawn tube or something. Naked of course.
Isn't that the whole meaning behind Death is No Excuse? Because you can respawn.

[Littleman]

I agree. Planetside is the only game I've ever played that had an explanation for a "respawn". It would be nice to see in the next trailer, a person die and then moments later gasp for air in a spawn tube or something. Naked of course.
Isn't that the whole meaning behind Death is No Excuse? Because you can respawn.

Naw, it's more like death is no excuse to be a chicken $#!%. Though in the universe of Planetside, the fact they'll be reborn in a tube does help make being a fearless sonuvabitch a lot easier.

[Hamma]

1.1 Million views.. good to see.

[Buggsy]

yesterday i saw the trailer was at 45k views, i was like dang, i guess its too hardcore for most gamers.

today the view jumped to 1 million. i ejaculated instantly. almost gave me a heart attack lol.

http://farm3.static.flickr.com/2752/4369469088_f4899bf012.jpg

[FireStormNova]

1 million views? Well it looks like the trailer is working so far? I hate to admit it but when you think of it : this trailer was more to bring in new people to Planetside 2.
Maybe if we are lucky they will they will do a trailer or trailers about factions and history?
I personly have always injoyed games that had a demo about the history and factions befor i make a character.

[Dreamcast]

I can't believe people are crying about the trailer....

First of all almost all good games have trailers like this that don't represent gameplay.



If you wanna cry about a trailer then you should cried about the E3 trailers...that looked horrible.

[bjorntju1]

1.1 Million views.. good to see.

Almost 1.5 million now!

[OnexBigxHebrew]

I can't believe people are crying about the trailer....

First of all almost all good games have trailers like this that don't represent gameplay.



If you wanna cry about a trailer then you should cried about the E3 trailers...that looked horrible.

Yup. The animations in this game are just not good enough when watching to make a trailer that stands up to other games.

[Rmike]

I wonder if anyone noticed the desaturation. Planetside is much more pretty and colorful than this.

[Viva]

1.5 Million views...but whose counting, :)

http://www.youtube.com/user/planetside2?v=41QFL4QB3NE

[Rivenshield]

1.5 Million views...but whose counting, :)

That's something, anyway.

Are those unique hits or individual views?

[MCYRook]

I wonder if anyone noticed the desaturation. Planetside is much more pretty and colorful than this.
Nobody noticed, except like a dozen people who posted before you.

Are those unique hits or individual views?
Individual views.

1800 of which are by me btw.

[Littleman]

I wonder if anyone noticed the desaturation. Planetside is much more pretty and colorful than this.

It's an advertisement trailer. When people think of war, they don't think of bright colors, just lots of dirt, grit, and rubble.

You'll also notice Planetside doesn't have blood anywhere within it.

When they get in game, sure it will be colorful. For what it's worth though, having the cinematic being just as colorful may have given it a more cartoonish feeling. Typically, 95% of the game populace looks at "cartoonish" and instantly thinks "for kids" because they're immature morons trying to pass themselves off as adults, but like any good ad, you don't want to dissuade the people you're trying to attract.

[lolroflroflcake]

I linked the trailer to a friend and I just thought you guys should know that, while he does believe it under-represents two of three factions.

He says it gave him the impression that the character it focused on was just one small part in a large battle, and how even that one small part can change the course.

He has never played Planetside before, and never even really seen how the game plays. So its not like the trailer entirely misrepresents the game, it just represents it in a way that someone who has never played the game before can understand.

[Raymac]

I can't believe people are crying about the trailer....

First of all almost all good games have trailers like this that don't represent gameplay.



If you wanna cry about a trailer then you should cried about the E3 trailers...that looked horrible.

I can believe it. It's the same thing as criticizing a movie. People think elements suck because they would have done things differently. But when you break it down, it comes down to a style choice. Blur Studios clearly wanted to do a looong tracking shot for this trailer. It's a phenomenal tracking shot too.

A number of people seems they would have rather seen a rock, paper, scissors type trailer. That's a style choice though. I think it's unfair to say that means the trailer sucked.

There is one thing that is undeniable. The CGI in this trailer was gorgeous.

[scufmark]

And this just made me drool... This is going to be pretty sick! Too bad they didn't use in game footage though, might of made it even better! Can't wait for the full version!

[sinez]

Everyone I've shown the trailer to has loved it, and I was sure to explain that it only followed one fo the three empires. Despite myself being a Vanu, I have to agree that the TR are shown as a bit -too- much of cannon fodder. All three sides are equal statistically, and the final moment with the arrival of the VS showed this nicely. It could be recalled that almost all the -other- NC units shown for any amount of time are killed by TR, and many NC are seen for short moments before entering the battle, likely to be killed in the process, but weren't on camera long enough to die. Still, at that level, you're going a bit too far into the hypothetical...


...and then I remembered that this is the trailer for a videogame, and stopped caring.