On the fence

[Gugabalog]

I am adamantly opposed to those fascist TR, but I honestly can't decide between the NC and VS.

The NC have robust military gear, very appropriate for territorial conflict. But I'm not sure I can support a cause without a goal. Especially one that refuses to coexist with those that would rather be let be. Even by the TR's arguement oligarchy is still a cultural step up from totalitarianism. I.E. Look at Rome's history; From King's to a Republic, which is still an oligarchy of sorts.

Then I look at the VS and see a very tactically versatile group. Especially with that unfortunately soon to be nerfed Scythe. The Scythe and the Magrider are both very intriguing pieces. I'm familiar with the magrider's style due to 2142's Nekomato hover tank. I liked it and hated it. But then lore wise they remind me way too much of the Byzantines. I mean they even freaking wear PURPLE! Purple-philia, combined with an obsession with the past to predict the future both point to eventual stagnation and collapse. That combined with the Scientologyesque vibes I get from their naysaysers They still feel off.

So then I am left to decide which do I value more, Freedom or Progress?

I'm not sure I truly care for progress without freedom, too Naziesque. (They made considerable technological advancements despite the hellishness of some of their actions) But then freedom without aim leads to anarchy which is the antithesis and not a true resolution to the conflict.

I'm leaning VS but cant's say I don't want to go NC either.

(I'm going with pick a faction for it's lore and stick with it, to add a bit of RP immersion to my gameplay and start off with a little of that PS-style Pride )

Sorry if this is the wrong forum.

[Sephirex]

I can tell you right now you're going to have an easier time getting along with the Vanu players based on the intelligent mind I'm seeing in this post.

Join us.

[Atheosim]

To be fair, the TR is a true democracy. If there were ever any tyrannical laws in the last 1000 years it's because that's what the people chose. The New Conglomerate, the way I see it, is the real "evil" faction here because those corporate CEOs and mercenaries and pirates are looking to plunge Auraxis into anarchy, where it's basically like the Caldari from EVE: there is no state- just the people with the biggest guns.

I was on the fence between TR and VS for a while when I realized that the TR are simply erring on the side of caution when it comes to this alien technology. I think they'll deal with it when they don't have a massive civil war on their hands, but the VS, with their audacious and greedy absorption of alien tech, threaten to decimate the humyn population of Auraxis if not the entire species.

[Blackwolf]

I'd say you are putting way to much thought into it, but then I'd be lying. Seeking out an empire based on looks and gear alone isn't really the way to immerse yourself in that empire since you will be surrounded by people who are going to do exactly that.

But it goes to show how well they planned out the empire ideology. Every side has good and bad aspects and there's always something that keeps you second guessing until you find what you like and stick to it. Then the positive points become super important and the negative points about everyone become blatantly obvious and terrible.

PS: Go VS. We got the tech, the style, and the sexy cloaker chicks!

[Gugabalog]

I see your point, but the martial law bit combined with being cut off from the rest of humanity make me scared of the space nazis rp wise.

[OnexBigxHebrew]

I can tell you right now you're going to have an easier time getting along with the Vanu players based on the intelligent mind I'm seeing in this post.

Join us.

Fuckin' A right.

[Gugabalog]

I'd say you are putting way to much thought into it, but then I'd be lying. Seeking out an empire based on looks and gear alone isn't really the way to immerse yourself in that empire since you will be surrounded by people who are going to do exactly that.

But it goes to show how well they planned out the empire ideology. Every side has good and bad aspects and there's always something that keeps you second guessing until you find what you like and stick to it. Then the positive points become super important and the negative points about everyone become blatantly obvious and terrible.

PS: Go VS. We got the tech, the style, and the sexy cloaker chicks!

Ohhhh sexy cloaker chicks :D /totallyanonwomanizingjoke

[Harasus]

The TR is not fascist, they just have to keep control. There was a vote regarding the curfews, and it passed, narrowly. Later on the President of the expedition was killed on the way to Auraxis when a second vote was done. Had the curfews been in place earlier, he would have been alive when we reached Auraxis, and he could have kept us united.

The same mistake will not happen again, we will have law and order before the elections can be prepared, or the NC/VS will only use the moment to strike.

If you still do not wish to join the TR, I would personally prefer the VS. The NC are clearly led by the corporations, even though they use "freedom" to motivate the common man. The VS got some nice technology, and they could advance very far, if they do not screw up. Which they are likely to.

[PhoenixDog]

I can tell you right now you're going to have an easier time getting along with the Vanu players based on the intelligent mind I'm seeing in this post.

Join us.

This. Most NC I see around here don't know their butt from their elbow. I mean...Look at Higby! He's NC and he's bloody everywhere. Yet we have T-Ray as out spokesman. He's as cool as the cool side of the pillow!

The TR is not fascist
*snip*
The same mistake will not happen again, we will have law and order before the elections can be prepared, or the NC/VS will only use the moment to strike.


Uh huh....

[Gugabalog]

I've yet to see anyone truly try and persuade me, besides "You'll get along and sexy infil chicks"

Though the TR guy is goign about it the right way, Blah space nazi martial law!

[Harasus]

You can not honestly believe that elections in the current state of Auraxis would ever work, can you? The corporate masters of the NC would try to stop it at any cost, terror is likely to be their weapon. Motivating their volunteers with lies that the elections would be rigged, and their mercenaries with gold, together they would wreak havoc.

Nobody knows what the VS is going to do, but I bet they will get involved as well.

Breaking the rebels and winning this war is key to the freedom we all wish we can have, and the freedom we will have when victory is ours.

[Ratstomper]

I'll tell you what I tell everyone who is on the fence about what faction to pick: It's your decision to make and no one else's. Don't let people sway you (you'll find a lot of vocal Vanu who try to make you drink the koolaid). I would try them all out and see what playstyle you fit into. It's all about freedom, man.

Also, looking at the official story, I think the only faction that "wants to be left alone" are the NC. The TR and the VS are the aggressors. From a lore standpoint, NC is the closest to morally justifiable, imo.

[PhoenixDog]

Want persuasion?

Want to shoot fast? TR
Want to hit hard? NC
Want to have hover tanks and laser weapons? VS

Otherwise, go look up the story to Planetside 1 and decide that way.

[Ratstomper]

Want persuasion?

Want to shoot fast? TR
Want to hit hard? NC
Want to have hover tanks and laser weapons? VS

Otherwise, go look up the story to Planetside 1 and decide that way.

What's wrong with the story to PS2?

[Gugabalog]

I don't want it based on gameply, I want my choice based on lore, I'm jsut stuck on Progress vs Freedom.

[PhoenixDog]

What's wrong with the story to PS2?

There's a backstory to PS2? I haven't seen it yet.

[Ratstomper]

I don't want it based on gameply, I want my choice based on lore, I'm jsut stuck on Progress vs Freedom.

If you're the type that has to wade through the philosophy first, then I would recommend the NC. The worst people can come up with is that they're "backed by corporations" and they automatically assume corporations are inherently evil, even though the lore shows no signs of that. Even if they WERE evil, they can't be nearly as evil or fanatically dangerous as the VS.

[Harasus]

I'll tell you what I tell everyone who is on the
Also, looking at the lore, I think the only faction that "wants to be left alone" are the NC. The TR and the VS are the aggressors.

I have to disagree, the NC want to change the government and make it "free". If there is anything in the lore stating that the NC just wish to be left alone, that they wish to build their own society, then link/quote it so I can see it. They are less of a secessionist movement, and more of a revolutionary one.

The VS seem like the ones who wish to be left alone mostly, in my opinion. Of course, they want all the nice tech/artifacts, and the Republic are not likely to just give away all our finds to some random guys who will not follow regulations, restrictions and law. Risky things like that should be handled, or atleast regulated, by the government. Not left in the hands of these techno-religious cultists.

[PhoenixDog]

I don't want it based on gameply, I want my choice based on lore, I'm jsut stuck on Progress vs Freedom.

Freedom without progress is stagnant. Progress however will eventually lead to freedom one way or another.

[Ratstomper]

There's a backstory to PS2? I haven't seen it yet.

Yep, they rewrote the story and fleshed it out a lot. You can read the entries on the official PS2 site... look under the news page and go all the way to the back. The lore is given in bitesized chunks.

[PhoenixDog]

Yep, they rewrote the story and fleshed it out a lot. You can read the entries on the official PS2 site... look under the news page and go all the way to the back. The lore is given in bitesized chunks.

I'll definitely check it out. Thanks!

However...The only lore I need for this argument is...There is no permanent death on Auraxis. The only reason your pathetic human technology can keep fighting against us is BECAUSE of us. It was the Vanu tech that created rematrixing. It is Vanu tech that preserves eternal life.

[Ratstomper]

I have to disagree, the NC want to change the government and make it "free". If there is anything in the lore stating that the NC just wish to be left alone, that they wish to build their own society, then link/quote it so I can see it. They are less of a secessionist movement, and more of a revolutionary one.

The VS seem like the ones who wish to be left alone mostly, in my opinion. Of course, they want all the nice tech/artifacts, and the Republic are not likely to just give away all our finds to some random guys who will not follow regulations, restrictions and law. Risky things like that should be handled, or atleast regulated, by the government. Not left in the hands of these techno-religious cultists.

The whole point of the NC is to overthrow the martial law and draconian edicts that the TR have placed on ALL citizens of Auraxis. The NC believe in self-governence. While it doesn't explicitly state it, that ideology, by it's very nature, means they just want to be given their freedoms.

Freedom without progress is stagnant. Progress however will eventually lead to freedom one way or another.

I wouldn't call that freedom, more like assimilation. Forcing everyone to "progress" is no path to freedom, it's completely against it.

[Gugabalog]

The thing is, molecular reconstruction constitutes death each time it is used, nothing more than a replica, not the same person. It is clone after clone, memory preserved.

[Ratstomper]

I'll definitely check it out. Thanks!

However...The only lore I need for this argument is...There is no permanent death on Auraxis. The only reason your pathetic human technology can keep fighting against us is BECAUSE of us. It was the Vanu tech that created rematrixing. It is Vanu tech that preserves eternal life.

So, where are the Vanu now? The VS are diving headlong into things no one understands. If the Vanu were so great, why are they all gone? For all we know the VS are on the same path to oblivion they were. Freedom naturally creates progress, what the VS want isn't progress: It's blind belief and dangerous at that.


...your pathetic human technology...

My point exactly. At what point do the Vanu stop being human and start being alien?

[Harasus]

The whole point of the NC is to overthrow the martial law and draconian edicts that the TR have placed on ALL citizens of Auraxis.

The people voted FOR all of this, stability must be achieved before we can return to the old days, and the majority of the people agree with this.

So, where are the Vanu now? The VS are diving headlong into things no one understands. If the Vanu were so great, why are they all gone? For all we know the VS are on the same path to oblivion they were. Freedom naturally creates progress, what the VS want isn't progress: It's blind belief and dangerous at that.


My point exactly. At what point do the Vanu stop being human and start being alien?

I can, however, agree with this. The TR will restrict and regulate the research on alien technology. We will not try to jump headlong into things we do not know what it will lead to. The Vanu do not exist anymore, or atleast they are not here anymore, and there is a reason for that. Eternal life is not something we can just play around with, it could very well lead to more horror and destruction than good. This war is a great example of that.

[Ratstomper]

The people voted FOR all of this, stability must be achieved before we can return to the old days, and the majority of the people agree with this.

Actually, they didn't. The last democratically elected official was Connery. Since then, the current TR leadership killed connery and a metric ton of innocent civilians, for the sake of security (:huh:). Now there is fully a totalitarian military autocracy on Auraxis. Don't make the mistake of thinking the earth TR and the Auraxis TR are the same thing.

A society where people are coerced into doing what the government wants is not a democracy and is neither worth fighting for nor living under.

[PhoenixDog]

So, where are the Vanu now? The VS are diving headlong into things no one understands. If the Vanu were so great, why are they all gone? For all we know the VS are on the same path to oblivion they were. Freedom naturally creates progress, what the VS want isn't progress: It's blind belief and dangerous at that.
Every civilization comes and goes, no matter how great and prosperous they were. Extinction is an inevitability no matter how much you may know. At least we try and preserve what they knew. They were lightyears ahead of humanity in terms of technology. They knew much more than we ever could.

And even if it is blind belief...Your idea of freedom isn't just. No one can ever be free. Freedom leads to anarchy. You're just as blind as we are. If you had things your way, there would still be laws and limitations that limit the people's freedom. You'll just end up like the TR...The same beliefs you're fighting against. At least the VS accept that no one can ever be free,

[Ratstomper]

The thing is, molecular reconstruction constitutes death each time it is used, nothing more than a replica, not the same person. It is clone after clone, memory preserved.

They haven't touched on it in the new lore, really. The old lore made it sound like it was definitely more then just cloning. As if the people had becomes part of the nanite system of Auraxis itself and therefore couldn't die. for instance, in the PS1 lore, It only worked on people who used the warpgates. Non-human animals always stayed dead, regardless of using the warpgates.

[DevilzRightHand]

Hi guys - I really like this thread ( I am TR my self )
But i dont go into this discussion because i am not so active in the history.

But when reading this i ger rly interested in the lore from both ps1 and ps2.
ANy one know a good place on the net where there is alot of it? I tried "wiki" but nothing much came up?

Thx 4 help in advance.
Oh and join terran, why?

We are the most friendly faction 4 new comers
(my self love to make the new recruits feel at home on the battlefield)
We are the most bound together unit/faction
(we ALWAYS watch ouer friends backs and no one is rambo and we ALWAYS rez if some one of ouer fellow brothers is down on the ground needing help)

If you want freedom - If you want peace - Join Terran

[Pyreal]

The NC have inferior equipment. The VS have a kit with no rival.

Did you not see the Historical Recording recently released in which an NC drone's jump jet failed? It is most common.

[Ratstomper]

Every civilization comes and goes, no matter how great and prosperous they were. Extinction is an inevitability no matter how much you may know. At least we try and preserve what they knew. They were lightyears ahead of humanity in terms of technology. They knew much more than we ever could.

And even if it is blind belief...Your idea of freedom isn't just. No one can ever be free. Freedom leads to anarchy. You're just as blind as we are. If you had things your way, there would still be laws and limitations that limit the people's freedom. You'll just end up like the TR...The same beliefs you're fighting against. At least the VS accept that no one can ever be free,

Freedom is more than just an anarchistic ideal. Freedom falls well within the bounds of practicality. A society can agree, of their own free will, to make sacrifices for the sake of everyone. No system is perfect, but it's still a hell of a lot better than the TR's "do what we say or else" attitude or the Vanu's batcrap insane ideas of "progress".

[Harasus]

Actually, they didn't. The last democratically elected official was Connery. Since then, the current TR leadership killed connery and a metric ton of innocent civilians, for the sake of security (:huh:). Now there is fully a totalitarian military autocracy on Auraxis. Don't make the mistake of thinking the earth TR and the Auraxis TR are the same thing.

A society where people are coerced into doing what the government wants is not a democracy and is neither worth fighting for nor living under.

I know Wikipedia is hardly the best link, but the way the lore bits are mixed with various previews and interviews, I feel a bit lazy:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlanetSide_2#Lore

"Due to the crew's mental exhaustion and provision limit, strict curfews are applied. Later, a vote is held about the necessity of the measures. The positive vote wins, but only barely. There are nearly as many negative votes. A second vote is called. However, a terrorist bomb destroys the ship on which the vote is to occur, killing everyone aboard, including Connery. Curfews pass. Later, the expedition discovers the planet Auraxis, and exactly 175 years later, the war between the Terran Republic and the New Conglomerate breaks out. Following this, a group of people calling themselves the Vanu Sovereignty join the conflict."

The vote passed. If more serious measures had been taken earlier, Connery would have been alive when we reached Auraxis, and morale would have been restored.

[Ratstomper]

The NC have inferior equipment. The VS have a kit with no rival.

Did you not see the Historical Recording recently released in which an NC drone's jump jet failed? It is most common.

Yep. The VS and TR have their nice, shiny guns that they don't care about and throw away like their soldiers lives. They looks pretty good and you can have them too...as long as you're willing to give up your rights or humanity for them.

EDIT: Also, the fact that the NC are able to do so much with so little proves they're the most resourceful and talented engineers and fighters on Auraxis. Hands down.

I know Wikipedia is hardly the best link, but the way the lore bits are mixed with various previews and interviews, I feel a bit lazy:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlanetSide_2#Lore

"Due to the crew's mental exhaustion and provision limit, strict curfews are applied. Later, a vote is held about the necessity of the measures. The positive vote wins, but only barely. There are nearly as many negative votes. A second vote is called. However, a terrorist bomb destroys the ship on which the vote is to occur, killing everyone aboard, including Connery. Curfews pass. Later, the expedition discovers the planet Auraxis, and exactly 175 years later, the war between the Terran Republic and the New Conglomerate breaks out. Following this, a group of people calling themselves the Vanu Sovereignty join the conflict."

The vote passed. If more serious measures had been taken earlier, Connery would have been alive when we reached Auraxis, and morale would have been restored.

You're lying by omission. Something the TR are marvelous at. You're neglecting to mention the fact that the TR are the ones who blew up the ship that vote was supposed to be held on, killing their own president and numerous innocent civilians.

Quote from lore, said by TR leadership....

“It’d be an awful shame your Jenny is at the wrong place at the wrong time. I can’t exactly promise that the local authorities could continue to keep your family safe, what with being spread so thin lately. I’ve spoken to far more than just you about this matter, Adam, and the final step before I can begin to put this plan into action is your cooperation. Everything else is already in place, and all we need now is another beloved figurehead. When the time comes, of course.”

Miller stood facing the door and turned around to the grinning Lieutenant Commander, knowing his hands were tied. “Another? You’re sickening, Brent. How do you call yourself T.R.?”

“Because no one will ever find out, Adam. Who would question us if we pinned it on some of Mattherson’s starving N.C. cronies? We’re calling the shots here, remember? I trust that you’ll comply, given the terms of our agreement, correct?” Waterson said, grinning at his victory.


The NC actually tried to SAVE connery...

“I’d say so, Jackie. This needs to get to command before someone offs Old Man Connery. I just can’t tell if Waterson truly believes it or just thinks Connery is hogging the limelight,” Joseph said. He began to stand up.

Extortion, terrorism, corruption: that's not democracy; That's iron-fisted totalitarianism and it's disgusting.

[PhoenixDog]

One does not need to give up their humanity to accept the wisdom of the Vanu. Does one give up humanity if they have a prosthetic arm? Or a Pacemaker? Technology saves lives...It preserves life as we know it. How did we even get to Auraxis in the first place? Technology. We are looking to advance that technology and in turn help progress humanity. We ourselves are weak and pathetic creatures. With technology we can become a much stronger and superior species.

[Ratstomper]

One does not need to give up their humanity to accept the wisdom of the Vanu. Does one give up humanity if they have a prosthetic arm? Or a Pacemaker? Technology saves lives...It preserves life as we know it. How did we even get to Auraxis in the first place? Technology. We are looking to advance that technology and in turn help progress humanity. We ourselves are weak and pathetic creatures. With technology we can become a much stronger and superior species.

The Vanu may have been trying to further humanity at one time. They've since become paranoid and so dead set on changing what humans are that they were willing to resort to violence for no reason. That's enough for me not to want anything to do with them.

[Daemonn]

Actually, they didn't. The last democratically elected official was Connery. Since then, the current TR leadership killed connery and a metric ton of innocent civilians, for the sake of security (:huh:). Now there is fully a totalitarian military autocracy on Auraxis. Don't make the mistake of thinking the earth TR and the Auraxis TR are the same thing.

A society where people are coerced into doing what the government wants is not a democracy and is neither worth fighting for nor living under.

Totally off base! NC were suspected to be behind the bombing of the ship with Connery. The story entry left it kinda open as if VS might have been involved.

NC players have not read the entries cause there are even entries from corporate people conspiring to start unrest. NC was started when the corporations and private security companies started to working together, coining the name "New Conglomerate" themselves.

The NC was first and foremost set up by private rich people looking to get ahead of the government, they wanted absolute power - capitalism if you will. They are simply using the common man to fight their war, they'll just as soon enslave you to a 9-5 as they would give you freedom if they win this war.

I am true to Earth and the only humanity we have known, loyalty until death, the Terran Republic.

[PhoenixDog]

The Vanu may have been trying to further humanity at one time. They've since become paranoid and so dead set on changing what humans are that they were willing to resort to violence for no reason. That's enough for me not to want anything to do with them.

No reason?? How is the TR or NC doing whatever they can to destroy the very existence of the Vanu and us trying to preserve that "no reason"? We are trying to defend what we believe is the best course of action for the human race. It's your empire that is trying to oppress. You're doing to us what you claim the TR is doing to you.

[Bags]

Just a heads up, the lore has almost no impact past how the guns work in the game.

[Ratstomper]

Totally off base! NC were suspected to be behind the bombing of the ship with Connery. The story entry left it kinda open as if VS might have been involved.

NC players have not read the entries cause there are even entries from corporate people conspiring to start unrest. NC was started when the corporations and private security companies started to working together, coining the name "New Conglomerate" themselves.

The NC was first and foremost set up by private rich people looking to get ahead of the government, they wanted absolute power - capitalism if you will. They are simply using the common man to fight there war, they'll just as soon enslave you to a 9-5 as they would give you freedom if they win this war.

I am true to Earth and the only humanity we have known, loyalty until death, the Terran Republic.

No, my friend. You're totally off base. Go read the "conspiracy" entry; It clearly shows the TR are behind it.

The entry you speak of is a correspondence between some NC higher ups on earth and it shows a legitimate desire to change laws for the sake of freedom of speech and belief. There are undertones of desire for profit, but they ARE a corporation and theres nothing inherently wrong with that, certainly not as bad as brutalizing young women or killing innocent people...

MEMO: FOR YOUR EYES ONLY

Date: July 9, 2630

From: Geraldo Pérez, Founder Freeman Institute

To: (list undisclosed)

Sasha, this isn’t just about whether business or the military controls civilian life, and you know it. You’re aware I was the one who originally broached the subject with Jon W. about forming this alliance because of the underlying direction the Terran Republic’s been taking all of us these past few years. In the beginning, we needed a firm hand on world politics in order for all parties to be able to work together in something resembling harmony. But we’re all working together now and way past needing the military to control every aspect of our lives.

Most in the T.R. are good people. They truly think they’re doing the right thing. They really believe there’s a danger of sliding back into the chaos and wars of old, but I disagree. I think over the last two centuries we’ve moved beyond those days. I believe it’s time we take our group and move into politics as an alternative to T.R. policies. We’ll be a party of business but also championing individual freedoms for the people. We need to get the government out of our business and out of our lives.

[Sephirex]

Just a heads up, the lore has almost no impact past how the guns work in the game.

Some people like to roleplay.

[Harasus]

You are lying by omission. Something the TR are marvelous at. You're neglecting to mention the fact that the TR are the ones who blew up the ship that vote was supposed to be held on, killing their own president and numerous innocent civilians.

Quote from lore, said by TR leadership....

The NC actually tried to SAVE connery...

Extortion, terrorism, corruption: that's not democracy; That's iron-fisted totalitarianism and it's disgusting.

I am not supposed to know any of that. :P

There is no proof that Connery was killed by traitors in the TR leadership, the thought is disgusting. If it is true, then they must have handled for the best of the expedition. Connery was very slow at ensuring the expedition was safe through curfews and martial law, we could have had a full-scale rebellion on our hands before we even reached Auraxis.

Sure, the Corporations probably knew that Connery was going to get killed, but did they do anything? It would seem not. They too were happy at sitting back while all of this happened under their noses. Later on they would use all of this to seize control of the Republic.

Harsh times require harsh measures, and the leadership did their best, even though some of their methods might be questionable.

[Ratstomper]

I am not supposed to know any of that. :P

There is no proof that Connery was killed by traitors in the TR leadership, the thought is disgusting. If it is true, then they must have handled for the best of the expedition. Connery was very slow at ensuring the expedition was safe through curfews and martial law, we could have had a full-scale rebellion on our hands before we even reached Auraxis.

Sure, the Corporations probably knew that Connery was going to get killed, but did they do anything? It would seem not. They too were happy at sitting back while all of this happened under their noses. Later on they would use all of this to seize control of the Republic.

Harsh times require harsh measures, and the leadership did their best, even though some of their methods might be questionable.

:rolleyes:

I see the Vanu aren't the only ones with empire specific koolaid. I always wondered why TR had red stains around their mouths.

[Harasus]

I would still prefer what the TR currently is to some corporation-controlled, unregulated, anarchistic mess. One day we will be a true Republic again.

[Ratstomper]

I would still prefer what the TR currently is to some corporation-controlled, unregulated, anarchistic mess. One day we will be a true Republic again.

So be it. I'll need people to shoot in game.

In the words of Tacitus: "They plunder, they slaughter, and they steal: this they falsely name Empire, and where they make a wasteland, they call it peace."

[Palazious]

Some people like to roleplay.

Roleplayers would definately pick the hot Vanu chicks.

[Ratstomper]

Roleplayers would definately pick the hot Vanu chicks.

I'm surprised more female gamers don't play male characters, just to not have creepy internet nerds skeezing on them all the time...

[Mythoclast]

I don't want it based on gameply, I want my choice based on lore, I'm jsut stuck on Progress vs Freedom.

Progress? Progress to what? To be more like some alien race that went extinct millions of years ago?

[Daemonn]

Dammit, Waterson! That bastard....

Regardless, a small group of fanatics does not define all that is the Terran Republic. The name under which Earth is united and man began exploration of the stars. Corrupt leadership can be purged.

Wholly corrupt ideals cannot be purged. Strength comes from unity, not individualism.

[Ratstomper]

Dammit, Waterson! That bastard....

Regardless, a small group of fanatics does not define all that is the Terran Republic. The name under which Earth is united and man began exploration of the stars. Corrupt leadership can be purged.

Wholly corrupt ideals cannot be purged. Strength comes from unity, not individualism.

Strength only serves to crush that which is right and good when it is directed by evil men. TR soldiers are the hand of oppression, whether the believe they are or not.

[Harasus]

I'm surprised more female gamers don't play male characters, just to not have creepy internet nerds skeezing on them all the time...

Hehe, good point.

Progress? Progress to what? To be more like some alien race that went extinct millions of years ago?

Very good point.

Dammit, Waterson! That bastard....

Regardless, a small group of fanatics does not define all that is the Terran Republic. The name under which Earth is united and man began exploration of the stars. Corrupt leadership can be purged.

Wholly corrupt ideals cannot be purged. Strength comes from unity, not individualism.

Fully agreed.

[opticalshadow]

the peace OUR race enjoys at home, the freedom, the way of life you all came from when we were stranded here, came from the republic.

the corporate traitors seek to control your life with their money, a monarchy built on the very thing that tore the old world apart, the world before teh republic. they would have you believe they are freeing you from opression. but what oppression? they dont want a for the people, they want a for the profit.

that vanu, zelots blinded by their new found religion. admitdly the vanu tech is amazing, and it does offer us keys to further our civilization to great things, but they are as ignroent as they are visionaries. they clearly overlook the fact that the real vanu, are exstint! they are all gone, we have artifacts left, their tech is the only thing we haev of them, charging full long into the same path they had is reckless. it must be approached carefully. but they call such measures, governmental oppression.

dont worry brother, with such enticing promises as they make, im sure many would question themselves, so long we have been from home. i wnt promise you anything, i will only ask you to look back before we came here, and remember the freedom and peace that our way of life has already proven.



and, its worth mentioning, that if....no...WHEN our home world finds a way to us, it will be coming as the entirety of the Terran Republic, what chance, even if victorious, do you think the Conglomerate or Sovereignty have, when an entire planet with resources beyond measure descend upon them for treason?

chose wisely my brother.

Loyalty Until Death!

[Novice bot]

OP; I suggest you first and foremost find yourself a clan you really feel you're part of. Then roll whatever they are rolling. Faction loyalty is one thing, but it cannot defeat the same feeling of responsibility and loyalty that being part of a good clan is.

[Mythoclast]

and, its worth mentioning, that if....no...WHEN our home world finds a way to us, it will be coming as the entirety of the Terran Republic, what chance, even if victorious, do you think the Conglomerate or Sovereignty have, when an entire planet with resources beyond measure descend upon them for treason?

chose wisely my brother.

Loyalty Until Death!

If anyone is getting hanged for treason it's the Terran Republic leaders on Auraxis that have spat upon everything it itself stood for. They are gonna come back and see the shit you guys created and be amazed even a trace of humanity still exists.

[Jimmuc]

Wikipedia has the history wrong, there was no vote happening on Discovery-7 to begin with. Connery and TR military reps were meeting with several insurgent leaders to discuss an new peace deal in response to an armed upraising 3 days before.

remember the actual war doesn't start until 200 or so years after they find Auraxis.

[Ratstomper]

Hehe, good point.

;)

With that I'm calling it a night. I try not to hurl too much righteous indignation at any given time. See you gentlemen on the battlefield.

...Also, have a nice night. :D

[Harasus]

Wikipedia has the history wrong, there was no vote happening on Discovery-7 to begin with. Connery and TR military reps were meeting with several insurgent leaders to discuss an new peace deal in response to an armed upraising 3 days before.

I did remember reading all those updates long ago, and I am pretty sure there was a vote. Maybe before what you are talking about.

[opticalshadow]

If anyone is getting hanged for treason it's the Terran Republic leaders on Auraxis that have spat upon everything it itself stood for. They are gonna come back and see the shit you guys created and be amazed even a trace of humanity still exists.

the entierty of our situation is one of betreyal. in times of war sacrifices must be made, even if they see us straying from the way of the home world, they will see we are still teh republic, and they will see two enemies, both who forsake all the things the republic stood for. our freedom, our safety.

most of all they will see disloyalty, with your purple and blue suits, they will see it, and their is no redemption for that.

[Harasus]

;)

With that I'm calling it a night. I try not to hurl too much righteous indignation at any given time. See you gentlemen on the battlefield.

...Also, have a nice night. :D

Aye, g´night.

[archaonn]

Think of what you value the most. Since I think myself as an anarchist, I value freedom over other things. I still belive we need order, progress and peace, but if we dont have freedom to decide about our lives this things mean nothing. This is why i chose the NC.

PD: I love the fact that you know about history, and you try to relate the factions to empires that existed.

[Mythoclast]

the entierty of our situation is one of betreyal. in times of war sacrifices must be made, even if they see us straying from the way of the home world, they will see we are still teh republic, and they will see two enemies, both who forsake all the things the republic stood for. our freedom, our safety.

most of all they will see disloyalty, with your purple and blue suits, they will see it, and their is no redemption for that.

Good Lord I can hardly read that. They aren't going to see you straying from the home world, they aren't going to see the Terran Republic in you at all. They are going to see an insult to the very name of democracy, order, peace, and humanity.

[Envenom]

Enlist today solider.

Planetside 2 - The Republics Greatest Threat [TRAILER] - YouTube

[Gugabalog]

There is no safety, only war.

There is no freedom, only war.

There is no trust, only war.


Besides, the vanu tech survived this long without maintenance. That is to be taken into consideration when adopting it. It is durable and has only been beneficial so far as the fact that it allows for ideas to live on.

[Zetsubo]

They way I see it, the Vanu are just trying to put an end to the TR-NC conflict as fast as possible, so they can go back to what they love: observe, study, develop and create technology.

According to the PlanetSide Wiki, the Vanu split off from the TR because they put a number of oppressive laws into place, forbidding the Vanu from conducting certain research. At the same time, the NC declared war on the Vanu for idelogical reasons, namely the "tainting" of human progression by technology.

To the TR, I say that oppressing technological advance is just a ploy to retain power. While fear of the unknown is natural, not trying to understand the goals of the research but just paranoidly banning every alien research is just oppressive bordering on the idiotic. If there's freedom of speech, there should be freedom of research. If there's not even freedom of speech, the TR is a faulty government.

To the NC, I have a simple question: what is the integrating of technology IS human progression? No other species on Earth developped a use of technology like the human. And now we found an Alien race that not only matches our technological advance but far surpasses it, you're telling us that that's "not what we're supposed to evolve into"? Why not? To me, seeing the human species evolve into one use a plethora of technological enhancements and protheses seems perfectly logical. We already do it, to an extent. Preaching total freedom but then restricting people in their technological preferences seems a bit hypocritical by the NC.

And finally, do not forget: Knowledge is power.

For the above stated reason, you should come join the Vanu Sovereignty. And, you know, we got lasers and stuff :)

[Gugabalog]

They did say that the TR executes thought crimers. That and the 3 way war makes this seem very 1984ish.

[archaonn]

Sorry Zetsubo, but the Vanu declared the war to the NC and the TR first. I would love to link you the part of the history that says that, but Im exhausted. You can find it in the PSU wiki.

And to answer your question, you can do whatever you want with your life. I dont have any problem with the vanu, they are just shooting at me, and I need to defend myself.

[iTax]

Been wanting to join the TR for awhile now. Very uniformed and fighting for whats right. In my view the NC are terrorists, and the VS are crazy fanatics trying to change the human race. I can't wait to restore order as a proud Republic soldier. Plus after watching the trailer, I feel its my duty to avenge the fallen Republic soldiers!

[foam]

If the VS weren't purple, but instead orange, dark green or some other nice color I'd probably pick them. The VS purple is too light for me, it reminds me of bronies. No thanks.

[opticalshadow]

Been wanting to join the TR for awhile now. Very uniformed and fighting for whats right. In my view the NC are terrorists, and the VS are crazy fanatics trying to change the human race. I can't wait to restore order as a proud Republic soldier. Plus after watching the trailer, I feel its my duty to avenge the fallen Republic soldiers!

the fallen fight beside you brother!

loyalty until death!

[Ratstomper]

Been wanting to join the TR for awhile now. Very uniformed and fighting for whats right. In my view the NC are terrorists, and the VS are crazy fanatics trying to change the human race. I can't wait to restore order as a proud Republic soldier. Plus after watching the trailer, I feel its my duty to avenge the fallen Republic soldiers!

Look at what filthy TR propaganda has wrought. Too much ignorance to avoid the bloodshed.

Also, I can't sleep.

[Gugabalog]

Same. And Remember the end. Vanu standing by. Playing properly with a mustering grround and a recon team.

Not that unreal style bull.

Tbh think they were modeling it after how the factiosn tend to actually play XD

Same. And Remember the end. Vanu standing by. Playing properly with a mustering grround and a recon team.

Not that unreal style bull.

Tbh think they were modeling it after how the factiosn tend to actually play XD

[Ratstomper]

Same. And Remember the end. Vanu standing by. Playing properly with a mustering grround and a recon team.

Not that unreal style bull.

Tbh think they were modeling it after how the factiosn tend to actually play XD

You may be surprised. On the whole, the factions aren't THAT different. At least, it wasn't in PS1.

It takes all types to fill an empire. That trailer was a disappointment to ALOT of people.

[WVoneseven]

The TR are like any oppressive military force..... think NAZI or USA (in other countries). A bunch of well trained and misguided soldiers fighting for a cause that their superiors and leaders have long since forgotten.
Most men in the German forces of WW2 believe they were doing what was right for Germany and europe. Germany itself was under NAZI power years before the war broke out via election (sort of) it was the men at the top who were disgusting devious and criminal.
Similar with say the US meddling in everyone business. The US has no real humane reason to be in the middle east in fact their providing the Afghan citizens with hundreds of millions of dollars worth of weaponry during the cold war is a major contributor to the armed militia there today. Though you wouldn't here a coalition soldier badmouth their presence they all believe that everything they are doing is really the right thing.

In TR/NC words The NC are fighting a war against the ideals of those men in command. So yes some of the soldiers themselves really are in the war for the right reasons but they should join NC if that's the case. Many have already. Also as to someone saying NC guns are shit.... say that after I take off your face from the jaw up with my bolt driver.

[Sirro]

If the VS weren't purple, but instead orange, dark green or some other nice color I'd probably pick them. The VS purple is too light for me, it reminds me of bronies. No thanks.

Oh god please don't call us all bronies, some of us don't care for ponies and rainbows!

I care only for floaty stuff and lasers :cry:

[Kuraltai]

Excellent thread! Thanks for the intelligent debate and history lessons.

[Mystwalker]

as a member of the N.C. i have to say i am not fighting for myself i am however fighting for my kids and there kids if T.R. leadership hold we will end up with a caste system of uneducated peasants with warlord style masters.Science will be hidden and only the empowered will be allowed education and access to science few will feel progress while the masses such as the N.C. and the vanu will de-evolve to be playthings to the T.R. masters
as for the alien tech we have found T.R. again wish to hide it and study it for there own use and keep it from the masses.vanu on the other hand have rushed to exploit it without knowing the long term effects such tech may have on human physiology,N.C. on the other wish to de-engineer alien tech to make it safe for humans and then exploit it for the good of mankind(at a price)

as for leadership we wish for freedom to grow and lead and to educate everyone cause who knows who can be the next Einstein and bring us foward

who knows if and when the wormhole may open again
over 200 years of war and no sign of peace only the struggle to survive

[Gugabalog]

Excellent thread! Thanks for the intelligent debate and history lessons.

You're welcome :D Sure is some interesting lore.

[Ertwin]

This is something I posted in a beta key contest (we were asked to describe our faction)

The Vanu Soverignty represents what humans have always strived for. Knowledge. Knowledge is what fueled our drive to explore the entirety of Earth, from the tallest mountain, to the deepest sea. Thirst for knowledge is what guided us from the stone age to the stars.

Now that we are among the stars, and far from the planet that birthed us, some would say that we should stop our millennia long quest for knowledge. They think we have enough knowledge, and would rather live in ignorance to the vast undiscovered secrets of the universe.

We have discovered alien artifacts, and rather than study them, and learn from them, others would have us hide them away or destroy them. These artifacts, have unlocked the kind of knowledge that has in the past ushered in new eras of technology and enlightenment.

I stand with the Vanu Soverignty because I have an undying thirst for knowledge. I still look to the stars with awe and amazement. I still want explore the universe and discover all the joys and sorrows it has to offer.

Knowledge and exploration has always been an integral part of the human experience, but as long as this war persists, that part of our very being is put on hold. So I do not fight for control. I do not fight for money. I fight for our very being, I fight for our future, I fight for knowledge.

[Redshift]

Tr are the opposite of fascist....

[Roidster]

myself im kinda on the fence about everything in general from everything i have seen,graphic wise it looks awesome...but IDK

[Attackmack]

You where born a man and you will die a man (several times actually).

That should enlighten you that there really is no choice to be made, terrorists and madmen are not to be meddled with. Come back to the Republic, we have not yet discarded you.

[Magpie]

Join The NC and we can spit tar into empty buckets and play hillbilly songs with the bango!

[HoovesMcG]

Im on the Fence for TR or NC. I mean they both look good, and use Human equipment. Im not a fan of the Alien look. didnt play PS1 SO I have no grudges against any faction, at this point Im pretty much going off who has the best North American Outfit between the NC and TR. I sure do like that NC fighter though, kinda looks like an Apache.

[Gugabalog]

NC.

They are the most tank-like.

TR.

They are the speediest.



In terms of combat doctrine they are each other's antithesis.

[Vanath]

Im on the Fence for TR or NC. I mean they both look good, and use Human equipment. Im not a fan of the Alien look. didnt play PS1 SO I have no grudges against any faction, at this point Im pretty much going off who has the best North American Outfit between the NC and TR. I sure do like that NC fighter though, kinda looks like an Apache.

You're just going off of looks and Outfits at this point then?

[DrShadowSML]

I was on the fence between NC and VS (I was diehard NC in PS1 and wanted to be VS in PS2 since lazers don't have bullet drop=more accuracy). I chose NC because I don't want my badass character to wear purple. That will hurt his badassness.

[ruskyandrei]

The TR seem like something that could evolve into the WH40k Imperium of Man.
Sure they can keep order and the whole race together but at what cost ? What is the point of being strong as a species if the individual is weak and hopeless ?

The NC have their bad sides too, and if anything they propose a very segregated solution (the corporations and other interests inside the Conglomerate would surely split off the second after a supposed victory). But wouldn't you rather bee free and diverse than oppressed and unified ?

As far as the Vanu go, I simply disagree with their views. I love high tech, and would be very eager to explore alien technology. But to go so far as to inject alien DNA in humans and use technology they do no even understand... that is to much.

I fight for the NC. Not because they're the L33test, not because they're the most "in the right", but because they are, in my eyes, the lesser evil, and the best chance for the individual to survive and prosper in the future.

[archaonn]

NC.

They are the most tank-like.

TR.

They are the speediest.



In terms of combat doctrine they are each other's antithesis.

This is right, but with the certs system you can build your character more "speedy" or more "tanky", so the only problem youll have gameplay wise is only at the beginning.

[Trip]

Why does it have to be black and white? with the NC yes, you certainly have freedom and with the VS you certainly have progress. However where does it say the VS dont also have freedom? If the VS didn't have freedom, well they would just be the TR in purple. Having already experienced the TR I'm sure the VS are not eager to return.

[Noxey]

Terran Republic..

Best name
Best colours
Best guns
Best

[WVoneseven]

I wouldn't say NC were tanky.... im going to build lighter but with the power of NC guns. Sacrifice some security for blunt ambush power.

Think the Vanu inf at end of trailer but with a .45 ACP to the nape of the neck. Then maybe another to the temple once the victims down to make sure he/she stays down (not really likely on auraxis :P).

Or simply a bolt driver round from 1200 meters. (totally possible in PS2!!!! what an awesome game)

[Eyeklops]

with that unfortunately soon to be nerfed Scythe.
Unless you know something, shut up about this or your liable to get shanked in the shower at home.

[avpmaster]

I admire all three factions, however - Also on the fence between VS and NC.

NC are obviously the better choice when it comes to the gameplay - Inaccurate and short-ranged weapons can be compensate by proper aiming techniques. Also, the lack of mobility for vehicles isn't that much of an issue, I mean come on, what - Is a Prowler really going to kill a vanguard by circle strafing? Maybe if the vanguard driver is a scrub, but still.

But I'm choosing VS as my primary faction because of the ideology :>

Oh well, you can play as different factions on different servers, at least.

[WVoneseven]

NC are obviously the better choice when it comes to the gameplay - Inaccurate and short-ranged weapons can be compensate by proper aiming techniques.

Burst fire to the face/back of face is going to be pure murder :P
NC also get the M107 of auraxis and the desert eagle and the 7.62 AR. SOOO make those first shots score to the head and TR/VS will be crying out of their exposed oesophagees (my wonderful plural for oesophagus).

[Mutant]

No, my friend. You're totally off base. Go read the "conspiracy" entry; It clearly shows the TR are behind it.

The entry you speak of is a correspondence between some NC higher ups on earth and it shows a legitimate desire to change laws for the sake of freedom of speech and belief. There are undertones of desire for profit, but they ARE a corporation and theres nothing inherently wrong with that, certainly not as bad as brutalizing young women or killing innocent people...



http://www.planetside2.com/news/may102012story

Shows that the TR leadership are willing to use blackmail to get things done and have no love on Connery.
Not exactly great quality's but there is no evidence of what their plans are. Blowing up the ship may or may not have been the plan.

It also shows that the NC are willing to murder woman civilians who have risked everything to help them, presumable because paying her what she wanted would have had too much of an impact on their profits.


I suspect in the fullness of time we will see each faction had a reason and means to to blow up the ship and we will never know for sure who is responsible.


also;

The VS may seem all innocent and benevolent but who knows what and what the voices in their head a saying, for all we know it is an elaborate scheme by an alien race to enslave all of humanity.

[Gonefshn]

Put simply I chose VS mostly because I thought they sounded like the crazy ones and that was cool to me.

Your definitely going to get the most unique feel with VS.

Also why the purple hate?

[Steambot]

I've been stuck in indecision between NC and VS as well, but for different reasons. Basically, do I want to be a corporate-run terrorist(awesome)? Or do I want to be a crazy-as-hell laser cultist(awesome)? It's too difficult!

I also like both lasers and shotguns, so what am I supposed to do???

[berzerkerking]

Abandon your fear. Look forward. Move forward and never stop. You'll age if you pull back. You'll die if you hesitate." ...
~Zangetsu
http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs13/i/2007/080/c/9/Zangetsu_by_frontsideair.png
The Vanu Sovereignity don't claim to be the only enforcers of what is right, or that they give absolute freedom, but they do claim to be unafraid of progress, and that is why I follow.

[Ratstomper]

Shows that the TR leadership are willing to use blackmail to get things done and have no love on Connery.
Not exactly great quality's but there is no evidence of what their plans are. Blowing up the ship may or may not have been the plan.

It also shows that the NC are willing to murder woman civilians who have risked everything to help them, presumable because paying her what she wanted would have had too much of an impact on their profits.


I suspect in the fullness of time we will see each faction had a reason and means to to blow up the ship and we will never know for sure who is responsible.


Connery was a good guy. He embodied any semblance of humanity in TR from earth. Seems interesting that Nc would try to save connery, but blow up the sip he was on. Anyone who has two brain cells to rub together can read between the lines...

In his defense, she DID have a knife to a man's throat. We get the idea that she would have killed him if she had turned it on. His buddy killed her to save him after she freaked out.

[Gugabalog]

Unless you know something, shut up about this or your liable to get shanked in the shower at home.

It was mentioned ina stream by higby that they were heavily considering it because it seemed overly effective.

Connery was a good guy. He embodied any semblance of humanity in TR from earth. Seems interesting that Nc would try to save connery, but blow up the sip he was on. Anyone who has two brain cells to rub together can read between the lines...

In his defense, she DID have a knife to a man's throat. We get the idea that she would have killed him if she had turned it on. His buddy killed her to save him after she freaked out.

Where's the lore that mentions individuals? I've only found vague timelines.

[PhoenixDog]

So glad to see I could have persuaded you to join our side, guga. Welcome to the purple and teal!

[Mythoclast]

The Vanu Sovereignty will fall just as the Vanu fell before. Their precious technology didn't save them from destruction and it won't save you.

[Trip]

welcome brother.

[Ratstomper]

Where's the lore that mentions individuals? I've only found vague timelines.

http://wiki.planetside-universe.com/ps/Lore_Archive

All the entries are there, so far.

[Gugabalog]

Ah. Thanks. But yeah, the idea of a tactical, fairly large outfit excited me. It's the best this dream game has to offer :D

[Harasus]

Connery was a good guy. He embodied any semblance of humanity in TR from earth. Seems interesting that Nc would try to save connery, but blow up the sip he was on. Anyone who has two brain cells to rub together can read between the lines...

In his defense, she DID have a knife to a man's throat. We get the idea that she would have killed him if she had turned it on. His buddy killed her to save him after she freaked out.

They never actually tried to save Connery. Sure, they reported the information to the bosses, and some in the NC probably liked Connery... But what some grunts think and do does not matter that much when the corporations are in charge.

Anyway, good that you decided. I prefer the Vanu to the NC, but I also like killing Vanu more than killing NC. I shall see you on the battlefield.

[Gugabalog]

The above is lucky the Vanu do not execute thought criminals like the space nazi elmos.

[Ertwin]

Welcome, you'll get your free kitten to test experimental weaponry on in a few days. =D

[Gugabalog]

*Weapon refuses to fire*

...WERE THE VANU CATS???

[Ertwin]

You have to put it on the obliterate cuteness setting.

[HoovesMcG]

You're just going off of looks and Outfits at this point then?

Yeah, pretty much. As i understand it, all the.factions will be balanced so whar incentive is there for md to pick one over the other besides look, and community?

[ruskyandrei]

Yeah, pretty much. As i understand it, all the.factions will be balanced so whar incentive is there for md to pick one over the other besides look, and community?

Gameplay. They all play slightly differently, mainly stemming from their different combat philosophies:

VS - Very accurate lazorz
NC - Hard hitting but slow conventional stuff
TR - Good mobility and high rates of fire

Or maybe some of the specific vehicles (many would-be pilots seem to pick a faction based on their favoured attack craft, which is empire specific)

[berzerkerking]

[QUOTE=berzerkerking]Abandon your fear. Look forward. Move forward and never stop. You'll age if you pull back. You'll die if you hesitate." ...
~Zangetsu
http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs13/i/2007/080/c/9/Zangetsu_by_frontsideair.png
The Vanu Sovereignity don't claim to be the only enforcers of what is right, or that they give absolute freedom, but they do claim to be unafraid of progress, and that is why I follow. Forward unto death QUOTE]

[Badjuju]

I'll tell you what I tell everyone who is on the fence about what faction to pick: It's your decision to make and no one else's. Don't let people sway you (you'll find a lot of vocal Vanu who try to make you drink the koolaid). I would try them all out and see what playstyle you fit into. It's all about freedom, man.

Also, looking at the official story, I think the only faction that "wants to be left alone" are the NC. The TR and the VS are the aggressors. From a lore standpoint, NC is the closest to morally justifiable, imo.

I wouldn't say that NC is the only faction that wants to be left alone. They declared war on the Vanu. Here is the lore.

"Through the use of the mysterious Vanu technology "procured" during their split from the Republic, the group developed exotic energy weapons to aid them in their cause. In addition, they began experimenting with ways to improve the human body through modification. It was this alteration of the human species that generated great suspicion of and ultimately a declaration of war upon the Sovereignty by the New Conglomerate, another faction which had splintered away from the oppressive Terran Republic and which saw the Sovereignty's modification programs as an affront to humankind's natural progression."

[Kur]

Well, from gaming experience in PS1 I enjoyed playing with the TR a lot more. Due to the lore I think in the game they'll be the underdogs (already showing that in new trailer) I think they look quite nice, I like their regimented look. I don't like the capitalistic NC especially since they remind me to much of real world corporations messing up the planet and I can't relate to the Vanu and deeply dislike the fact they are moving further from humanity.

[RJTravis]

I think we can all agree on one thing.

Blue kills red, red kills blue but when purple shows up black & yellow teams up to kill teal.

death to the lasers!

[Ratstomper]

I think we can all agree on one thing.

Blue kills red, red kills blue but when purple shows up black & yellow teams up to kill teal.

death to the lasers!

When purple shows up, it's usually because AT just hotdropped a hundred dudes on the roof...

Stupid vanu.

[Xyntech]

I think we can all agree on one thing.

Blue kills red, red kills blue but when purple shows up black & yellow teams up to kill teal.

death to the lasers!

Red has fun fighting Purple, Purple has fun fighting Red, but when Blue show's up, everyone turns into assholes.

This is the timeless truth of Planetside empire rivalry.

NC: The true 3rd wheel faction.

;)