Updated Beta Date

[julfo]

https://twitter.com/j_smedley/status/230014114590760963
Beta likely going to start Friday or Monday.
https://twitter.com/j_smedley/status/230014235969728512
Had planned for today or tomorrow but we have some stuff we need to make sure is awesome

:(

If the team thinks it's necessary, then I guess we have to respect that.

[Hydra]

:boohoo:

[FINALCUT]

Oh shit. Now you did it. prepare for the QQ rage flood of all Hell breaking loose :mad::cry:. I'm out. :D

[ringring]

I can imagine the reaction of many .... but ..... they have stuff to do, it's better we just let them get on and do it.
:cool:

[julfo]

^^ I'm getting out of here too

[FINALCUT]

^^ I'm getting out of here too

Run.:lol:

[Envenom]

lol.

[DaMann]

Well looks like another week or two to hone my skills in CS:S and BF3

[TheRagingGerbil]

Sorry yall...
http://img824.imageshack.us/img824/7048/b4398b81ef7b4ae4a545b2b.png

[Raymac]

Well, we all know that these dates are subject to change (i.e. likely). It's still disappointing. I guess it's better that they make it better than releasing a buggy game on a set date.

[Sephirex]

Haha! OMG! Way to troll Smed. ROFL. Where's that comic with Smed faking that kid out? It's never been so relevant.

[Duckforceone]

good.. then i got another week to get my new internet... :D

[ChipMHazard]

So probably next week then. :cry:

[Deadeye]

Anyone got any crops that need watering? 'Cause here comes the water! popcorn:

[culkid]

I hate when companies release dates and never deliver. Just do not announce anything until it is 1000000% certain... wow.

[OnexBigxHebrew]

boy the bitching and crying is fixing to be ass hurt obsessive. I think even I'm gonna leave on this one.

I may avoid the community for a week hahaha.

[julfo]

I hate when companies release dates and never deliver. Just do not announce anything until it is 1000000% certain... wow.

It's that or a potentially crappy game. I choose a good game, released later.

[DevilzRightHand]

INCOMIIIIIIIIIIIING

*taking cover*

[FINALCUT]

Who's ready for the hate.
http://ts4.mm.bing.net/th?id=I4682876509947219&pid=1.7&w=234&h=151&c=7&rs=1
:lol::rofl::D

[Rasui]

:boohoo:

[The Desert Fox]

THANK GOD! I am homeless for a few days and I have drill all weekend so I am very happy about this news!

[Elixx]

Seriously, i rather have them wait on beta, if they feel the must. Better then doing a wrong move :)

Besides i have my friend here from China all week :D

[Gugabalog]

"One of the serious problems in planning against American doctrine is that the Americans do not read their manuals nor do they feel any obligation to follow their doctrine"-Russian Document
"The reason that the American Army does so well in wartime, is that war is chaos, and the American Army practices chaos on a daily basis"-German Field General
"If we don't know what were doing, then the enemy certainly can't anticipate our future actions!"-American Soldier

^ Love that.

[snaffe]

SMED!!!! .........it's ok :)

(just giz me betakey)

[ArmedZealot]

Don't even have PS1 to tie me over.



Just mean this weekend's beta invite pool will be twice as big right?.....right?

[Kur]

So ummm, they could of told us this earlier yeah?

[Shizora]

Hey, you better wait and get a "bug-free" beta :cool:

[ArmedZealot]

So ummm, they could of told us this earlier yeah?

You have a date you cancelled or something?

[ChipMHazard]

So ummm, they could of told us this earlier yeah?

Eh, it's monday. Bad news always come on mondays.
http://indonesiasejahtera.files.wordpress.com/2011/01/garfield_mondays.jpg

[JoeDragon]

They never said for certain it was going to be this week. They just said it was likely. I'm not surprised nor am I upset by this. We will get there when we get there.

[Kur]

Not really, I'm a Elderly Carer and have to plan things out in advance.

[dafuq]

They never said for certain it was going to be this week. They just said it was likely. I'm not surprised nor am I upset by this. We will get there when we get there.



now its likely friday or monday




(in 6 weeks)

[ShadoViper]

People quit crying like babies about it. Yes, it does suck, I'm with you on that. But something obviously didnt go according to plan and was serious enough that they need to work on it.

It's better to postpone something than release crap that isn't ready.

[Mythoclast]

Fine by me. My new computer gets here today and this gives me time to play games I haven't been able to play yet, like Deus Ex. Mmmm.

[Badjuju]

Wait... So I am not going to fail my summer class?

[WiteBeam]

They never said for certain it was going to be this week. They just said it was likely. I'm not surprised nor am I upset by this. We will get there when we get there.

They did say July.
I don't care if the MAX doesn't move its arms when it walks. Beta is for polishing.

[Geist]

Meh, whatever. Just means the people who are playing in the Tech Test toiling away in a buggy game to make sure that it's ready for us to enjoy come Beta.

[Neurotoxin]

And that's why they didn't wanna set a concrete date, because it can always be pushed back by the need for more work to be done.

[AvacadoEight]

I dont think Smeldey realizes how big a bomb he just dropped on this community :p.

[RJTravis]

They hould still send out e-mails for beta so ppl can download it.

[JoeDragon]

now its likely friday or monday




(in 6 weeks)

They're under pressure to get this thing out so they can start making money. I bet they get it going by next week. But either way i'm not gonna complain about it.

[Zylorex]

Haha! OMG! Way to troll Smed. ROFL. Where's that comic with Smed faking that kid out? It's never been so relevant.

http://i.imgur.com/XrklX.gif
Got this bookmarked, I knew it would be relevant in future. :lol:

[dafuq]

They're under pressure to get this thing out so they can start making money. I bet they get it going by next week. But either way i'm not gonna complain about it.



well i know why it is not going out today or tomorrow, i have a friend in tech test..
but you know i cant tell you more :x

[Raymac]

I dont think Smeldey realizes how big a bomb he just dropped on this community :p.

I'm sure he knows, which is why he said something on Monday morning. If he was oblivious to this community, he just would have said nothing and Wednesday would have rolled around with all of us wondering what happened.

[Vector]

I really wish smed would stop with the whole estimated beta date thing, i get that they are keen to get the thing out and want to keep people informed but the reality of it is that things will pop up and need more work and giving people constant estimated dates only to change them is one sure way to annoy alot of people.

[JoeDragon]

well i know why it is not going out today or tomorrow, i have a friend in tech test..
but you know i cant tell you more :x


Clegg clegged something up I bet.

[Minigun]

I told you so. Prepare to wait many more weeks, take it from experience.

[dafuq]

I told you so. Prepare to wait many more weeks, take it from experience.

just add 1-2 more weeks on every date they post

thats more accurate than "likely friday or monday"

[PoisonTaco]

People wonder why devs don't like giving out dates.

[Juturna]

So basically he shouldn't have said anything in the first place. I don't see why the even tweet beta "SHOULD" be on so and so day. You just get peoples hopes up and they get butthurt when you don't hold to your word. Just release the damn beta and stop giving us false dates / hope.

[NewSith]

Soooo unpredictable...

I blame Midgard for going against the Law of Infamy of the Universe (aka Murphy's Law, aka whatever)... :)

[maddoggg]

I respect SOE very much,but i really dont agree with what they are doing on the matter of false promises.
And no it's not because i want a rushed in beta that may lead to a rushed in game(which i dont).
If they have said "beta wont be out until september" i can be ok with that aslong as it's true.
But teasing people that beta is coming withing 2 weeks or even a few days away and than drag it for months(it was supposed to be released in july if you believe their earlier statements)just so you can keep people hyped and constantly exited is not cool.
It's something i would expect from EA/DICE,but it wasnt something i expected from SOE :/

[Raymac]

I really wish smed would stop with the whole estimated beta date thing, i get that they are keen to get the thing out and want to keep people informed but the reality of it is that things will pop up and need more work and giving people constant estimated dates only to change them is one sure way to annoy alot of people.

He's done that because people have been SCREAMING for dates. So he said, fine, I'll give you some ballpark dates, but you have to understand that it is all fluid and subject to change. So that's why I am Jack's complete lack of surprise when a date gets pushed back.

[Solidblock]

By the sound of the tweet, it seems too me like they're implementing something. If that's the case, it betternbe fucking good. Perhaps they'll coincide it with the new command centre episode, I bet they don't manage to push that date back.

[ChipMHazard]

Soooo unpredictable...

I blame Midgard for going against the Law of Infamy of the Universe (aka Murphy's Law, aka whatever)... :)

I agree. This calls for some a good ol' mob lynching. Time to light the pitchfork and sharpen the torch.

[dafuq]

I respect SOE very much,but i really dont agree with what they are doing on the matter of false promises.
And no it's not because i want a rushed in beta that may lead to a rushed in game(which i dont).
If they have said "beta wont be out until september" i can be ok with that aslong as it's true.
But teasing people that beta is coming withing 2 weeks or even a few days away and than drag it for months(it was supposed to be released in july if you believe their earlier statements)just so you can keep people hyped and constantly exited is not cool.
It's something i would expect from EA/DICE,but it wasnt something i expected from SOE :/


the hype will kill this game

[Sephirex]

I respect SOE very much,but i really dont agree with what they are doing on the matter of false promises.


I didn't see any promises. There WAS a ballpark date with heavy disclaimers.

[Raymac]

I didn't see any promises. There WAS a ballpark date with heavy disclaimers.

You expect people to pay attention to disclaimers? No. They just want to pay attention to the parts they want, and then complain about the parts they ignored.

[Piper]

Que sera sera

[Reizod]

So they have to test more stuff and fix bugs, before the beta TESTERS get in!? So, will that mean, the rest that will be invited would be beta "players" instead?

Just saying...

[NePaS]

I respect SOE very much,but i really dont agree with what they are doing on the matter of false promises.
And no it's not because i want a rushed in beta that may lead to a rushed in game(which i dont).
If they have said "beta wont be out until september" i can be ok with that aslong as it's true.
But teasing people that beta is coming withing 2 weeks or even a few days away and than drag it for months(it was supposed to be released in july if you believe their earlier statements)just so you can keep people hyped and constantly exited is not cool.
It's something i would expect from EA/DICE,but it wasnt something i expected from SOE :/

Have you ever thought that maybe the tech test has not gone as well as planned and that is why the date has been pushed back.

[james]

He just needs to stop even giving dates. They haven't kept a single date.
perhaps the beta will be out by Halloween the rate its going.

[Hosp]

I respect SOE very much,but i really dont agree with what they are doing on the matter of false promises.
And no it's not because i want a rushed in beta that may lead to a rushed in game(which i dont).
If they have said "beta wont be out until september" i can be ok with that aslong as it's true.
But teasing people that beta is coming withing 2 weeks or even a few days away and than drag it for months(it was supposed to be released in july if you believe their earlier statements)just so you can keep people hyped and constantly exited is not cool.
It's something i would expect from EA/DICE,but it wasnt something i expected from SOE :/

You set yourself up for the disappointment because time and time again they say that "as long as something unforeseen doesn't happen." (or whatever dozen or so ways they've said it). Guess what? Something must've happened. Maybe the TTs thought it wasn't ready. Maybe they tried to patch something last second and blew up their servers. Point being, something happened and now you blame them for your own skewed PoV.

[james]

He just needs to stop even giving dates. They haven't kept a single date.
perhaps the beta will be out by Halloween the rate its going.

[Hosp]

I didn't see any promises. There WAS a ballpark date with heavy disclaimers.

+1 Good Sir.

[JoeDragon]

You expect people to pay attention to disclaimers? No. They just want to pay attention to the parts they want, and then complain about the parts they ignored.

One day, this fact about people is likely to give me an aneurism.

[james]

Dear SOE, get a CM so your president can stop talking out of his butt

[NePaS]

I respect SOE very much,but i really dont agree with what they are doing on the matter of false promises.
And no it's not because i want a rushed in beta that may lead to a rushed in game(which i dont).
If they have said "beta wont be out until september" i can be ok with that aslong as it's true.
But teasing people that beta is coming withing 2 weeks or even a few days away and than drag it for months(it was supposed to be released in july if you believe their earlier statements)just so you can keep people hyped and constantly exited is not cool.
It's something i would expect from EA/DICE,but it wasnt something i expected from SOE :/


Have you ever thought that maybe the tech test has not gone as well as planned and that is why the date has been pushed back.

[SkilletSoup]

Excellant trolling; where like that fishing show where they bring in that 5 mile troll line and every hook has a fishy on it. Excellant! J/K

But hey do what you have to do to get it right!

[ThaNegotiator]

this is crap, you dont tell ppl its on a certain day in the first place because things are always going to change with betas, you should be walking on thin ice with everything you say because everyone will take anything and everything seriously.... talk about a shitty monday..... THANKS SMEDLEY YOU DOUCHE, cant wait to kill you in game

[Poser]

I give up.

The good news is that the MechWarrior Online beta starts on Aug. 7th. They are a solid date and everything!

[Rago]

Fine with me this is about work, not about Playing Games only beta testing Phases.
Waiting a FEw days no Problem i got a Life ,too.

[Xeb]

People asked for an estimated date for the start of beta and they got one... sure the date ended being wrong but thats estimations for you.

You can't blame Smedly for answering your question :)

[Ruffdog]

Make it awesome Smed! If I have to wait another week to drop my annual leave day bomb on my boss them so be it.

What would be good though is advanced links for downloading clients. If it's 10 gigs or something it's gonna take me half the day. Although I appreciate the file is very changeable at the moment, any forward date from beta deployment would be brilliant for those of us stuck with 100% copper wire between us and our provider.

[Trolltaxi]

"THE BETA WILL START NEXT MON OR TUESDAY BARRING ANY UNFORSEEN CIRCUMSTANCES." - John Smedley on 25. July.

It wasn't a promise for sure - there are circumstances, they deal with it. Period. We have been waiting for years, we can wait for a bit more. They are working for us after all.

[AzureWatcher]

Personally I love the updates, even if they do turn out to be false in the end.

It means that SOE can still treat us like adults, even though we do have a few bad apples.

[wasdie]

I'm sure this is going to disappoint a lot of people.

This isn't a glorified demo compared to 90% of betas today. This is a game that needs real testing. These things are going to happen.

I think a lot of people here just want to play it and forget that it's a beta test. A broken, buggy, unfinished version of the game of where we are here to try to help them along.

[Reaction]

i'm not suprised one bit to be honest.

[SmokinJacakal]

I didnt have to get the 20 dollar shipping on my graphics card I'm guessing a donkey could have got it here by beta........I CANT TAKE IT!!!! Bring on the TABLES!!!11!one!

（╯°□°）╯︵ ┻━┻


p.s. not really mad cause these guys have been awesome I just like throwing tables.

[Xyntech]

They probably had to delay the start date because they couldn't figure out why I hadn't gotten my invite yet. Sorry for the inconvenience everyone.

;)

Soon™ this will all be but a happy memory.

[LZachariah]

No worries. It's gonna be awesome when we get in. Better that it be polished and loaded with content than it be unrefined and empty.

~Zachariah

[bjorntju1]

the beta will start next mon or tuesday barring any unforseen circumstances.

He never was 100% sure the beta would start today and tommorrow. You guys have to understand that a lot of people are going to be invited to the closed beta. If the beta runs horrible, people will rage all over the internet of how horrible the game runs. NDA or not, people WILL post footage and tell their experience of the game. Of course, it is a beta and there are bound to be problems, but I think it is smarter to make sure the beta runs as smoothly as possible when they start inviting people.

I would be pretty dissapointed too, since it felt like he was almost sure it would start today or tommorow. And I also think it wasn't very smart to shout it of the roofs like that if you aren't 100% sure (even though he said barring any unforseen circunstances) Since he made it look like he was very sure of what he said. But trust me, this is better for the game ;)

[Piper]

Clearly it's a huge conspiracy to defraud lots of people into posting things on internet forums against their better judgement! :eek:

Sony offline entertainment and their evil plans for world domination by fooling folks with nothing but vapourware!

[wasdie]

No worries. It's gonna be awesome when we get in. Better that it be polished and loaded with content than it be unrefined and empty.

~Zachariah

It's not going to be though. It's still going to be broken and in need of real testing.

A tech test is to make sure their servers don't crash every 10 minutes and that people can log in and play without their client crashing or getting horrible performance. You don't need a very large scale beta test for that. Just enough to populate the servers to a certain threshold.

Obviously the tech test isn't producing the results they originally planned and are working on updating the beta client. I heard rumors that there aren't even a lot of features enabled in the tech test. If that's true, that means they might not even be done coding up those features, or at least coded up to a point where they are sure that they can be properly beta tested.

The last thing you would want is some sort of unhandled exception to crash your game just because you clicked a button that called a function and failed. That's the kind of stuff they can iron out in the studio before releasing it to the public. Even a closed beta shouldn't suffer from those kind of issues. If I had to guess, that's what they are doing right now. Ironing out those errors and making sure the servers can handle some real testing.

[Meecrob]

Friday's fine by me ;)

[UnDeAdKiTtY]

I agree with the original poster, we all want them to do what they need to do.

Most people in the forums are pretty calm and collected about it, but please please do not attack or get mean about when is beta etc. etc. because if people give them crap it hurts everyone and the person that is angry. We all want to play the game but if you attack the devs or others they wont give us updates on the progress.

If you yell "WHENS BETA!" or " YOU SAID BETA WAS TODAY"

they will stop telling us how far its coming along.

Its still gonna have bugs and what not, but I trust them and so should you.

[maskedskull]

All the hate that the team are getting makes me a little sad to be a gamer.

Any dates that Smedley or the team have given have been ballparks and clearly stated to be as such, with possibility for said dates to change. Somebody said that some people do only see what they want to see and that is true but those people are idiots and SOE do not deserve hate because of said idiots.

In addition, this is a game that is still in development. It is unfinished and thus it can be unstable or generally experience problems that can delay things. Normally for a single player game this would be the case of it being pushed back which is not a new thing. For a multiplayer game with beta testing this is even more likely.

So, take a chill pill yeah

[Sephirex]

It'll be fine folks.
We can get through this.
Together

[james]

I agree with the original poster, we all want them to do what they need to do.

Most people in the forums are pretty calm and collected about it, but please please do not attack or get mean about when is beta etc. etc. because if people give them crap it hurts everyone and the person that is angry. We all want to play the game but if you attack the devs or others they wont give us updates on the progress.

If you yell "WHENS BETA!" or " YOU SAID BETA WAS TODAY"

they will stop telling us how far its coming along.

Its still gonna have bugs and what not, but I trust them and so should you.

I agree but. Its getting to the point of stupidity now. I love updates, but keep giving this dates that aren't being kept, makes me question SOE somewhat. If they keep moving rough dates, can we even expect any timely patches or content once the game is out

[Masterr]

I agree with the original poster, we all want them to do what they need to do.

Most people in the forums are pretty calm and collected about it, but please please do not attack or get mean about when is beta etc. etc. because if people give them crap it hurts everyone and the person that is angry. We all want to play the game but if you attack the devs or others they wont give us updates on the progress.

If you yell "WHENS BETA!" or " YOU SAID BETA WAS TODAY"

they will stop telling us how far its coming along.

Its still gonna have bugs and what not, but I trust them and so should you.

QFT.

I pretty much laughed when everyone was like it's today ZOMG!!! Don't get ur hopes up until they actually start letting people in. For the people who are all mad, cry in the corner. Would you rather download the game and be unable to play bc the game crashes all the time? Or would you rather wait, download it, and be able to play with minor hiccups?

Priorities, ppl.

[Rago]

Im easy like Sundaymorning xd take it easy only a Few Days,...:)

[capiqu]

Summer time, beach time , pool time, park time, concert time oh yeah and the icing on the cake PS2 beta time. Go have fun a week goes by very quick.

[Trolltaxi]

Soon is the new "whenitsdone" - I hope I'm wrong though.

[NewSith]

I agree but. Its getting to the point of stupidity now. I love updates, but keep giving this dates that aren't being kept, makes me question SOE somewhat. If they keep moving rough dates, can we even expect any timely patches or content once the game is out

Smed is a CEO, it's his job to set tight dates to keep his staff working, and not wasting their time dissolving the back of their pants on a chair. The policy may sound incorrect, but it is, for my HR-management experience (military that would be) tells me that not keeping a tight leash makes people lazy over time.

[super pretendo]

Saw this coming. There is literally nothing about any MMO that has ever been on time.

[james]

Smed is a CEO, it's his job to set tight dates to keep his staff working, and not wasting their time dissolving the back of their pants on a chair. The policy may sound incorrect, but it is, for my HR-management experience (military that would be) tells me that not keeping a tight leash makes people lazy over time.

Thats what it seems to be the current situation. Or there is major gap between him and the dev team. He seems to be trying to be a PR guy, and he isn't doing a great job. He seems to miss anything he says will be taken out of context and be seen as facts.

I just hope whatever may be happening gets fixed quickly

[vVRedOctoberVv]

Oi, so many sigs that hurt my eyes now... More painful to me than the beta announcement.

-edit

This is why MySpace never took off. Too many idiots wanting to dazzle you with Orange and Green Polka Dot Profiles with Glitter, Sparkles, and Disco Balls.

[dafuq]

Saw this coming. There is literally nothing about any MMO that has ever been on time.


what you talking about?


every mmo hold their beta plans and release dates
(wow, gw2, diablo3(ok no reall mmo but..),RIFT,TERA) just to name a few

ps2 is the only one which did not, wasnt beta announced last year already? lol


and with that they gave away a piece of planetside 2 to an unknown european company it will most likely fail here anyways, and im not gonna play on laggy US servers anymore

[Tachyr]

No biggie, it's a few days. Kick back, relax, have a beer and be ready to break the internet once beta starts :trrocks:

[Raymac]

Obviously this means they have catastrophic technical problems and are only now realizing that they bit off far more then they can chew. The technology is just not at the point where a game like Planetside 2 is possible. The project is being shelved indefinitely. Perhaps in 10-15 years they can take another look at this ambitious endevour. Thank you and good night.

[bjorntju1]

what you talking about?


every mmo hold their beta plans and release dates
(wow, gw2, diablo3(ok no reall mmo but..),RIFT,TERA) just to name a few

ps2 is the only one which did not


and with that they gave away a piece of planetside 2 to an unknown european company it will most likely fail here anyways

Today or tomorrow was NEVER set in stone. ''barring any unforseen circumstances''

[dafuq]

Today or tomorrow was NEVER set in stone. ''barring any unforseen circumstances''


they knew that they cant start it today or tomorrow but they chose to announce it anyways
=
massive ammount of ppl being pissed off and look at another game

and just look at the ammount of people from europe interested in this game, i can tell you its almost non existend
not 1 single european esports site reporting about planetside 2

if you google planetside 2 you will get 2-4 german links, from magazines with 0-10 comments on a news lol

[Sephirex]

Obviously this means they have catastrophic technical problems and are only now realizing that they bit off far more then they can chew. The technology is just not at the point where a game like Planetside 2 is possible. The project is being shelved indefinitely. Perhaps in 10-15 years they can take another look at this ambitious endevour. Thank you and good night.

Its true. Planetside 2 is cancelled. Microsoft bought the engine and in-game resources and is now having Rare (the rest of their studios have REAL projects) making Halo Online! With Kinect and Avatar Support!

[Crator]

Same old same eh? SOON!

[Kain]

No worries at all here, the game will be ready for the masses when it's ready. It's one hell of a step up from a few hundred per continent to.....

https://encrypted-tbn1.google.com/images?q=tbn:ANd9GcT5wMOKcbrzz8vobJ5zALvV9_rWPQiAk 8ameAWIwKWyz_GZji7xtA

[Raymac]

they knew that they cant start it today or tomorrow but they chose to announce it anyways
=
massive ammount of ppl being pissed off and look at another game

Obviously something changed between last week when he tweeted "MONDAY OR TUESDAY" and his tweets this morning. Are you able to wrap your head around that, or does everything in your life go perfectly according to plan?

[Syphus]

QFT.

I pretty much laughed when everyone was like it's today ZOMG!!! Don't get ur hopes up until they actually start letting people in. For the people who are all mad, cry in the corner. Would you rather download the game and be unable to play bc the game crashes all the time? Or would you rather wait, download it, and be able to play with minor hiccups?

Priorities, ppl.

Well it's a beta, so I'd rather play the buggy, unfinished version rather than some fake free-trial Beta.

[vVRedOctoberVv]

It amazes me, how some little thing happens, and instantly fifteen threads pop up arguing about it, because they can't really even coordinate the tears into one thread (which already exists and is stickied at the top). Do we really need a discussion thread where everybody can bitch about the obvious? Or debate the obviousness of it?

(shakes head sadly)

[dafuq]

Obviously something changed between last week when he tweeted "MONDAY OR TUESDAY" and his tweets this morning. Are you able to wrap your head around that, or does everything in your life go perfectly according to plan?



/NDA

[aleksandrgrc]

i kinda hope its lies. and waves are and have been going in and when open comes no one will complain about what order what happend.

[Sephirex]

massive ammount of ppl being pissed off and look at another game


I'm starting right now.
Hey, that CoD looks new and interesting! Wait.
How about BF4?! Oh..
Oooh new Halo, I bet I've never seen this before! ........God damnit.

[Masterr]

Well it's a beta, so I'd rather play the buggy, unfinished version rather than some fake free-trial Beta.

barring you can actually play it instead of constant server crashes. They have a lot of MMO titles under their belt, I think they know when they can or can not release a beta.

[Gazanimal]

If it ain't ready, it ain't ready.

Nothing worse than releasing thousands onto crash happy client software. It'd be more painful & off-putting than delaying a beta.

Phase 2 of the nerd-rage will be when the Beta does start & people aren't in the 1st batch of invites...lol.

[dafuq]

barring you can actually play it instead of constant server crashes. They have a lot of dead MMO titles under their belt, I think they know when they can or can not release a beta.

fixed

[Masterr]

fixed

Bc they are how old? People not playing them doesn't change their development process on releasing beta, stop being mad and go outside.

[infected]

don't hold your breath people.

the first ones in are active ps1 subbers.
then inactive ps1 subbers, (100k of them)
then the pcgamer/twitter/e3 keys.

unless you're an active ps1 subber then i wouldn't be wasting my time F5'ing smed's twitter

[Reizod]

I'm sure this is going to disappoint a lot of people.

This isn't a glorified demo compared to 90% of betas today. This is a game that needs real testing. These things are going to happen.

I think a lot of people here just want to play it and forget that it's a beta test. A broken, buggy, unfinished version of the game of where we are here to try to help them along.

Hmmm... if they didn't want a glorified demo, then why do they need "polish" for a beta test? Isn't that what beta is for... to test and find bugs? What's more important... an "awesome" beta or an awesome game?

[FatesMomma]

Did anyone play Star Wars: The Old Republic when it was released? Or Global Agenda when it was released 2 years ago? Both games were definitely not ready to be live. Bugs and lack of content riddled the games like crazy. Let SOE put work into their game.

Their game. Not yours.

Just sayin'..! :)

[EisenKreutzer]

When they don't give dates, people bitch and moan.

When they do give dates, people bitch and moan.

[Sephirex]

don't hold your breath people.

the first ones in are active ps1 subbers.
then inactive ps1 subbers, (100k of them)
then the pcgamer/twitter/e3 keys.

unless you're an active ps1 subber then i wouldn't be wasting my time F5'ing smed's twitter

What affects one, affects the other.

[OnionTerror]

If they don't think its ready, then with them being an experienced company I would trust they're judgment. The thing to remember is that we are so close now, they just want to iron out as much stuff before they open the flood gates. Just a bit more patience guys! there is light at the end of the tunnel!

[Sephirex]

Me neither, so for the love of God, don't copy it in your quote.

Fixed. It was a text hyperlink when I hit the quote button. Didn't notice the change.

[dafuq]

When they don't give dates, people bitch and moan.

When they do give dates, people bitch and moan.

you are wrong

when they do give dates, people bitch and moan. WHEN THEY ANNOUNCE SOME WRONG DATES

[SkarBlade]

I just can't wait until the beta starts.

[EisenKreutzer]

you are wrong

when they do give dates, people bitch and moan. WHEN THEY ANNOUNCE SOME WRONG DATES

YOU are wrong.

Those dates they gave were never set in stone, and were subject to change. They repeatedly told us, but some people apparently didn't listen.

[Trolltaxi]

Rather wait or rather Error 37?

[Sephirex]

Rather wait or rather Error 37?

Rather wait. Maybe I'll warm up the ol Everquest account.

[FireWater]

Eh beta isn't perfect otherwise it wouldnt be a beta after all.

Waiting patiently for beta hoping I get in the first wave but if I don't it's no big deal.

[DSxGIIR]

Why people are Raging? Be happy they push the date back, if they didn't you all would complain about the problem they are having issues with if they didn't fix it. So STFU and find some other way to make your life productive...Also why does it matter about the beta date? It's not like the game is releasing ANYTIME SOON. /facepalm

[Sephirex]

Also why does it matter about the beta date? It's not like the game is releasing ANYTIME SOON. /facepalm

Beta date matters to these people because they're going to be in the Beta.....
Agree with the rest though.

[Revanmug]

Hmmm... if they didn't want a glorified demo, then why do they need "polish" for a beta test? Isn't that what beta is for... to test and find bugs? What's more important... an "awesome" beta or an awesome game?

Why would you need people to "test" something when you already know the current major bug to fix?

[dafuq]

whats cool about them pushing back the beta date is, people who i know, actually PAY for ps1 subs only do it for planetside 2 beta reasons since the servers almost empty again since the free month run out, and they can collect another row of money now, otherwise they would have cancelled the sub today/tomorrow good job :) and thats almost 20 of my current outfit..

i dont wanna lie, im subbed because of planetside 2 too, but im also subbed to have a fun time in the meanwhile while i wait for the beta

[Sephirex]

whats cool about them pushing back the beta date is, people who i know, actually PAY for ps1 subs only do it for planetside 2 beta reasons, and they can collect another row of money now, good job :) and thats almost 20 of my current outfit..

They can cancel them. If their account were active when the free time went live, they're good to go for Beta priority.

[bjorntju1]

they knew that they cant start it today or tomorrow but they chose to announce it anyways

=
massive ammount of ppl being pissed off and look at another game

If they knew, why would they announce that date? That is just stupid.


and just look at the ammount of people from europe interested in this game, i can tell you its almost non existend
not 1 single european esports site reporting about planetside 2

if you google planetside 2 you will get 2-4 german links, from magazines with 0-10 comments on a news lol

''esports'' I think that is the problem ;)

[dafuq]

If they knew, why would they announce that date? That is just stupid.




''esports'' I think that is the problem ;)

there are no other sites reporting about this game
only weird game mags with no communities and no one really cares about (2-3)

[Charred]

"shaddup all whiners baters come when it come!!! xD whiner get lifes ffs :o))"

My problem isn't the lack of beta, it's the lack of PR-skills from Smedley and SOE.

[Deadeye]

Did anyone play Star Wars: The Old Republic when it was released? Or Global Agenda when it was released 2 years ago? Both games were definitely not ready to be live. Bugs and lack of content riddled the games like crazy. Let SOE put work into their game.

Their game. Not yours.

Just sayin'..! :)

I played SWTOR for months, global agenda for maybe a couple days. The difference between them and Planetside is they are theme parks and Planetside is a sandbox and we've got some pretty cool toys to play with in that sandbox.

Planetside is not an overly complicated game to get right. Give us a good assortment of vehicles, give us bases to storm, give us well balanced weapons and give us the tools to organize outfits and we'll make up the content on our own. Having played the original Planetside now for several months since quiting SWTOR, I may never go back to theme park MMOs.

Planetside 2 is a completely different animal than any MMO released in years.

[SeanNewBoy]

This would have been a good topic for someone to drop an edited chris crocker video, taking out britney spears out for perhaps smedley.:p

[Chinchy]

Good my SSD will have time to get to my house now YAY.

[dafuq]

I played SWTOR for months, global agenda for maybe a couple days. The difference between them and Planetside is they are theme parks and Planetside is a sandbox and we've got some pretty cool toys to play with in that sandbox.

Planetside is not an overly complicated game to get right. Give us a good assortment of vehicles, give us bases to storm, give us well balanced weapons and give us the tools to organize outfits and we'll make up the content on our own. Having played the original Planetside now for several months since quiting SWTOR, I may never go back to theme park MMOs.

Planetside 2 is a completely different animal than any MMO released in years.

no its not and ps never had a playerbase like swtor or other mmorpgs had .. lol

[Reizod]

Hmmm... if they didn't want a glorified demo, then why do they need "polish" for a beta test? Isn't that what beta is for... to test and find bugs? What's more important... an "awesome" beta or an awesome game?

Why would you need people to "test" something when you already know the current major bug to fix?

Who said anything about a major bug??? I was just quoting Smedly on saying they want to "polish" some things because they want the beta to be "awesome". :huh:

You asked me a question that has nothing do with the delay, but didn't answer any of my questions.

Again, why do they need a "POLISHED" beta in order to start it? It's a beta test, we know there will be bugs? The only thing I can think of... is they DO in fact want to have a somewhat glorified demo. I mean, they already are taking a few pages out of the mainstream modern gaming book. :sick:

Note: I have faith in the dev team. But question SOE's PR agenda at the moment. I'm just playing devil's advocate here.

[bjorntju1]

there are no other sites reporting about this game
only weird game mags with no communities and no one really cares about (2-3)

There are more people from Europe than you think that are interested in this game. The game is free so there will be no problem having lots of people in the game.


no its not and ps never had a playerbase like swtor or other mmorpgs had .. lol

Yeah, don't forget PS came out in 2003, it was one of the first subscription based fps on the market. Not to forget that the game was ahed of its time and you needed a very high end PC to play the game. The low speed internet connections at the time didn't help either. This game is F2P so the game doesn't need to worry about low pops.

[Sephirex]

"Awesome" is code for "Not actively destroying your kernel"

[Ruffdog]

They can cancel them. If their account were active when the free time went live, they're good to go for Beta priority.

So close. I unsubbed on June 28, 3 days before planetside day. Damnit

[Sirro]

Moving along quite fast with the grieving stages looks we are at bargaining already :)

Denial: Maybe it'll be Friday and not next Monday!

Anger: WHY DID YOU LIE ABOUT THE DATE

Bargaining: Hey Sony unlike these monsters who trash you, we as a community wuv you, beta sooner pls!

Next we will reach

Depression:We have 168 hours of waiting for beta to start, if it starts at all :cry:

Acceptance: Oh that's right there is over 40 years of video games available to me, maybe I'll go choose one to play for now!

Hopefully we can all get to step 5 in a timely matter.

[Sephirex]

So close. I unsubbed on June 28, 3 days before planetside day. Damnit

I think he said within the last year too. But that wasn't as beaten into the ground by questioning tweets.

[dafuq]

There are more people from Europe than you think that are interested in this game. The game is free so there will be no problem having lots of people in the game.


.

i hope so, i dont want to play on laggy US servers anymore

[Raymac]

Moving along quite fast with the grieving stages looks we are at bargaining already :)

Denial: Maybe it'll be Friday and not next Monday!

Anger: WHY DID YOU LIE ABOUT THE DATE

Bargaining: Hey Sony unlike these monsters who trash you, we as a community wuv you, beta sooner pls!

Next we will reach

Depression:We have 168 hours of waiting for beta to start, if it starts at all :cry:

Acceptance: Oh that's right there is over 40 years of video games available to me, maybe I'll go choose one to play for now!

Hopefully we can all get to step 5 in a timely matter.

:rofl:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8DYje57V_BY

[Midgard]

Next Monday? Seriously?

Huh........................

I'm gonna cry in a corner right now, bye.

[EisenKreutzer]

I believe Smedleys exact words were: BARRING UNFORESEEN CIRCUMSTANCES. (https://twitter.com/j_smedley/status/228237905305403392)

Also allow me to point out: Likely. (https://twitter.com/j_smedley/status/230014114590760963)

[Envenom]

Damnit. You mean I have to actually go outside and enjoy this beautiful summer now?

[Sephirex]

Damnit. You mean I have to actually go outside and enjoy this beautiful summer now?

Lucky.

Summer in Arizona is beautiful, but not enjoyable.

[MaxDamage]

I wasn't expecting hands on 'til like 2013 or something, the 10th anniversary of Planetside. So anything sooner is nice. Let's me figure out how much more I'll need to beef up my system!

They will probably be tweaking it for some time but waiting isn't a big deal.
I hit up Planetside 1 again this year and it's hella fun; there are a few things like drastic changes to the infiltrator and a vast reduction in vehicle types in PS2 that may leave me a grouchy old man, harkening back to the good old days. But I'll happily throw money at it like confetti

Dunno if I can be arsed to photoshop a new sig based on the new MAX units.
Leopard print paintjobs are seven levels of sexy.

[ChipMHazard]

Damnit. You mean I have to actually go outside and enjoy this beautiful summer now?

Ha, colour me lucky then. It was pissing down most of the day here:D

[Malorn]

You see this is why they say "soon" instead of giving a date. It's better than giving a date and having to change it.

[vVRedOctoberVv]

Moving along quite fast with the grieving stages looks we are at bargaining already :)

Denial: Maybe it'll be Friday and not next Monday!

Anger: WHY DID YOU LIE ABOUT THE DATE

Bargaining: Hey Sony unlike these monsters who trash you, we as a community wuv you, beta sooner pls!

Next we will reach

Depression:We have 168 hours of waiting for beta to start, if it starts at all :cry:

Acceptance: Oh that's right there is over 40 years of video games available to me, maybe I'll go choose one to play for now!

Hopefully we can all get to step 5 in a timely matter.


+1 Internet reputations :D That was one of my favorite episodes.

[Stizzi]

,,, expand Tech-test massively until Beta-release, at least for the Vets, PS2 will be awesome enough for them

[Syphus]

barring you can actually play it instead of constant server crashes. They have a lot of MMO titles under their belt, I think they know when they can or can not release a beta.

Yet many of the zero day crashes are often caused by issues having to do with load, hence the beta. Beyond that, being out in the wild is always the best way to expose bugs.

I'm not upset, I just hope the issues are actually something critical.

Aside from that, while I am cautiously optimistic, I played both PS1 and SWG from release, I have very little faith in SOE.

[IgloGlass]

Well I know one particular female in my life that might enjoy the post-poned beta.. And it's not my mother x)

[Sephirex]

Well I know one particular female in my life that might enjoy the post-poned beta.. And it's not my mother x)

I hope your cat enjoys all the quality time. Rub her belly for me. :D

[dafuq]

Well I know one particular female in my life that might enjoy the post-poned beta.. And it's not my mother x)

your sister?

[IgloGlass]

I hope your cat enjoys all the quality time. Rub her belly for me. :D

Sure will! That pussy deserves some extra love! :rofl:
your sister?

Well yes of course! We like to snuggle before we go to bed at night :bananasex

[Oh Good Gwief]

It is kinda a bummer that the beta was postponed, because I was looking forward to it. It would be cool if Higby could stream more for us, to take the edge off.

[Sephirex]

Been following this game (Next/2) since September 2009 and if I can wait another week, you guys damn sure can too. Although I guess SOE should just look at these "impassioned" responses as a complement to the efforts they have made so far. It's better they care enough to post some of this nonsense than nothing at all. :)

Who are you, and what have you done with WildVS?

[Morphic]

sadddd

[Rivenshield]

I keep trying to explain to you silly bastiches how software development works, but it never seems to take.

When it happens, it happens. Show some patience.

[Sephirex]

I keep trying to explain to you silly bastiches how software development works, but it never seems to take.

When it happens, it happens. Show some patience.

Pfft. This is the internet, not some place of learning.

[Maniox]

(╯°□°)╯︵ ┻━┻

[dafuq]

I keep trying to explain to you silly bastiches how software development works, but it never seems to take.

When it happens, it happens. Show some patience.

teach me how to get them easy girls instead

[Littleman]

The way everything was worded... sounds more like they're postponing to implement a feature, more so than because the tech tests are doing poorly. We don't even know if they're open anymore, or at least all that often.

Certainly, the current testers aren't doing any hardcore bug hunting or testing, you can count on that. They weren't picked out for the college level writing skills and knowledge of software/hardware. Though if SOE is keeping the tech servers open more often than not, I'm calling BS on them not inviting more people. Really, I don't think a lot of us really care if we'll be playing a buggy, unstable client right now.

However, whatever they're getting ready for us on friday or monday, they make it sound like something we'll really appreciate. It almost sounds like they really want the closed beta to be a free preview with balancing being the only real concern. I just hope they get the beta invites out quickly, almost daily like they did with tech test invites. It's really going to grate on people's nerves if they miss a wave, and have to wait a lengthy period of time.

[AtlantisThief]

I told it :D I told it :D I told it :D
Dont believe me? (http://www.planetside-universe.com/showthread.php?p=806687#post806687)
Im sooo good

[Kalledorn]

"From what I have seen down here, Bob, is that there appears to be no Beta for the next couple of days...the fans seem disappointed..."

"And now back to your regularly scheduled waiting...."

[Sephirex]

Anyone notice how quiet Twitter has been? I bet there's not a lot of smiling faces at the office today.

Did find this.

https://twitter.com/PS_TRay/status/230040447635038208

[dafuq]

Anyone notice how quiet Twitter has been? I bet there's not a lot of smiling faces at the office today.

im almost 100% sure that they are getting shitstormed on twitter.. so not much to answer for them today :D

[IgloGlass]

Anyone notice how quiet Twitter has been? I bet there's not a lot of smiling faces at the office today.

Wouldn't surprise me. Though I can't blame the employees at SOE at all, like Smedley has said, "the crew has been pulling crazy hours", and I really do believe they have.

Going through the tech test smoothly and killing waves of bugs I imagine must be stressful. Just look at the VIP tracker here at PSU.. It used to be really active with 10 posts a day from different developers, right now we're lucky if we get 3-4. That was all before the tech test started.

There's been subtile hints I guess but I'd just like to thank the team for their amazing dedication!

[fedhell]

edit :-(

mods dont like tech test schedule being posted :-(

[Biscuit]

Meanwhile at Beta-City

Boss: alright men, whats our status?
Worker1: all systems green Boss we're good to go
Worker2: ya everything is in top order! we await your command to start Sir.
Boss: Good work, alright team prepare to open th--- wait....Whats that!?

http://i.imgur.com/ytnGx.gif


See you Next monday!

[SkarBlade]

Why people are Raging? Be happy they push the date back, if they didn't you all would complain about the problem they are having issues with if they didn't fix it. So STFU and find some other way to make your life productive...Also why does it matter about the beta date? It's not like the game is releasing ANYTIME SOON. /facepalm

I know right? If the beta doesn't start this Friday, at least I have End of Nations beta to play with.

[Sephirex]

and tech test is running every day this week except today and sunday. :-)

I'd hope so.
Otherwise they're doing a terrible job taking care of those issues.

[Littleman]

I'd hope so.
Otherwise they're doing a terrible job taking care of those issues.

I think the point he was trying to make was that it wouldn't kill SOE to throw out a few more invites for the hell of it.

Though that wouldn't be doing the community at large any favors, really >.> Fuel for the fire.

[Landtank]

I think the point he was trying to make was that it wouldn't kill SOE to throw out a few more invites for the hell of it.

Though that wouldn't be doing the community at large any favors, really >.> Fuel for the fire.

They have their hands full as it is, trust me.

[Fenrod]

Beta date is getting changed ?

302 Found

[Littleman]

They have their hands full as it is, trust me.

I'd rather not, you are NC after all.

A few (hundred) more players won't burden their load anyway, unless the test server is pushing capacity already. Bugs don't suddenly multiply in tandem with player counts, and if a new spec is crashing, that was certainly worth inviting people.

Thing is, the number of people they would invite would be so few, and right now after the delay, anyone that doesn't get invited will have to once more resist turning into a rabid baboon all over this forum.

[GLaDOS]

I have a feeling that when the beta does finally start, and there are a few bugs with launching and whatnot, everyone who was rushing them to start it will be like "OMG you make us wait so long and now I can't connect?! AARRGHH WHY DIDN'T YOU JUST WAIT LONGER AND GIVE US A WORKING GAME?!?!?!"

And I will be sad.

[OpolE]

When will the waves of invites be coming out? Are they delayed for activation as well?

[NePaS]

I'd rather not, you are NC after all.

A few (hundred) more players won't burden their load anyway, unless the test server is pushing capacity already. Bugs don't suddenly multiply in tandem with player counts, and if a new spec is crashing, that was certainly worth inviting people.

Thing is, the number of people they would invite would be so few, and right now after the delay, anyone that doesn't get invited will have to once more resist turning into a rabid baboon all over this forum.


Adding more people will not fix the problems they have at the moment.

[QuantumMechanic]

I can deal with the date getting pushed back, I was half expecting that anyways.

But I have to admit that I'm curious as to what it is they are working on that is the reason for the date getting postponed. From what we've seen in the most recent videos, the game is buggy and there are a lot of things missing from the game (most weapons, certs, mission system etc).

We should be expecting a game that has missing functionality, many bugs and a lack of polish that needs actual testing. So... what's the holdup I wonder. Not asking anybody to break NDA, just wondering outloud.

[Littleman]

Adding more people will not fix the problems they have at the moment.

You missed the point entirely.

[EisenKreutzer]

So... what's the holdup I wonder. Not asking anybody to break NDA, just wondering outloud.

My guess, based on nothing in particular, is water effects.
They said they would move the out of bounds area to over the ocean, and they have also said that they are working on water because they want it to look as awesome as possible.

[FINALCUT]

I can deal with the date getting pushed back, I was half expecting that anyways.

But I have to admit that I'm curious as to what it is they are working on that is the reason for the date getting postponed. From what we've seen in the most recent videos, the game is buggy and there are a lot of things missing from the game (most weapons, certs, mission system etc).

We should be expecting a game that has missing functionality, many bugs and a lack of polish that needs actual testing. So... what's the holdup I wonder. Not asking anybody to break NDA, just wondering outloud.

Clegg crashed a Galaxy into SOE headquarters when he came to work this morning. Clegg always flies a Galaxy to work. Damn that Clegg.:mad::D

[Sephirex]

You missed the point entirely.

Or did you?

[Dsent]

Alright so beta is pushed back again...I'm ok with that. But I am about 99% certain that sometime during E3 they officially stated that BETA would be out b4 August. I am searching for the proof.

[BorisBlade]

damn, was lookin forward to gettin some company and some more outfitmates in beta. Oh well, he's right tho in waiting, comin outta alpha into beta means its still early and so little hiccups are a given.

[Littleman]

My guess, based on nothing in particular, is water effects.
They said they would move the out of bounds area to over the ocean, and they have also said that they are working on water because they want it to look as awesome as possible.

With only Indar available (as far as we know,) and the only reason we'd be seeing water is because we're flying away from the continent, I don't think that's it >.>

I'd argue they're trying to get everything polished to the point where we won't have to fight over a single base for days on end, and can play Planetside 2 like it's meant to be played, only without every planned feature available. What that process entails, I have no freakin' clue.

Best case scenario, actually, would be including Amerish or Esamir with closed beta, so there's a little variety to our testing.

[NePaS]

Or did you?

AH! Someone who gets what I meant!

My faith in Humanity has just gone back up a notch.

[Littleman]

Or did you?

Not in the least. SOE really could have invited more people into the tech test based on their veteran status if they wanted to, regardless of how little good it may have done. Don't even pretend this was an impossibility. SOE instead has opted to get the next big client update ready before inviting more people in, and I'm inclined to believe Smed's latest tweet hints at there being more than simply a more stable, less buggy client too. Almost sounds like they're going to reveal something in tandem with the closed beta.

[Azreale]

August or before August, either way I do not care. Currently at IETF in Vancouver and if the beta started this week I'd get fired from my job for playing PS2, instead of inventing the Internet. So I approve of bumping PS2 beta until after the IETF.

[Sephirex]

Not in the least. SOE really could have invited more people into the tech test based on their veteran status if they wanted to, regardless of how little good it may have done. Don't even pretend this was an impossibility. SOE instead has opted to get the next big client update ready before inviting more people in, and I'm inclined to believe Smed's latest tweet hints at there being more than simply a more stable, less buggy client too. Almost sounds like they're going to reveal something in tandem with the closed beta.

So clog up the already beleaguered team with more people wondering why they are having CTD and log-in problems?

Stability problems first, fan service second.

[sameer]

ah poop :(

[Dark Kitten]

If you're pissed that you can't test a free beta as soon as possible then you should probably reevaluate your priorities. The beta could open a month from now and you would still have no right to be the slightest bit unhappy.

[NePaS]

Not in the least. SOE really could have invited more people into the tech test based on their veteran status if they wanted to, regardless of how little good it may have done. Don't even pretend this was an impossibility. SOE instead has opted to get the next big client update ready before inviting more people in, and I'm inclined to believe Smed's latest tweet hints at there being more than simply a more stable, less buggy client too. Almost sounds like they're going to reveal something in tandem with the closed beta.

How many hints do you need?what does VET status have to do with this?

IT DOES NOT WORK AT THE MOMENT

The fact that they have pushed the beta back a week would seem to indicate they have a problem,no?
The answer would be yes by the way.
(Or it should be,in any sane mind)

[Littleman]

So clog up the already beleaguered team with more people wondering why they are having CTD and log-in problems?

Stability problems first, fan service second.

Look, I can understand the why's: they want to present a more stable, finished product to us, THAT is the reason for the delay, but I can also come out and admit I want to play, and will not hesitate to call them out on the questionable definitions of tech testing and beta testing, with the latter looking more and more like your standard modern beta test, just with the caveat that people might be playing a specific way at times.

Basically, I'm not going to tell people they're being whiny and entitled while acting like I'm perfectly fine with waiting longer. That gets no one anywhere.

The only reason they're not inviting people in right now is because they no longer need that specific data, and are prepping for the next update. Inviting more people or not actually won't change a whole lot about that. It simply makes more sense to stick with the delay so people aren't downloading the client today, only for even more to be downloading possibly a big update friday. What I'm saying is they could have opted not to make people wait for a single download and let people in with the current client anyway. After all, we're expected to be beta testing to find these client issues anyway, RIGHT? Apparently, their plan was for the closed beta to be more of a finished product anyway.

Get what I'm trying to say now? The process and goals are still the same, regardless of what the test is called. However, they are in fact treating what they consider "closed beta" as more of a preview then they let on, and who can blame them? For the number of people they'll need to test the meta-game and mechanics, it will be like herding kittens!

There's no guarantee the beta client still won't have its fair share of crashes. How players generally go about beta testing or tech testing is literally no different. In this case, calling it a tech test is just indicating the stability of the client in general.

People aren't in there jumping for an hour because SOE told them to. They're simply playing the game, like normal, and suffering a few errors in the process. I'm damned sure people have stopped playing simply because of a crash or two. Additionally, I sincerely doubt SOE hasn't released micro updates to fix a good portion of the crashing issues in the process. I really, really, doubt it. They'd need to see if those crashes were fixed across all of the setups they brought in after all.

EDIT: Look, what I'm trying to say is, they could have invited us today, but felt we would be far more impressed with the build they plan to have ready by friday or monday than what they have now, obviously. If you really want to read between the lines: they invited as few people as they could get away with for the tech test, so that the real deal would feel like the real deal when they opened the flood gates, y'knowwhatI'msayin'?

[Nolerhn]

The way I see it, if they're not confident enough to go into beta, then they shouldn't. There's going to be problems and bugs and polishing that needs to be done throughout beta (and beyond), but if there's an issue they have that's so bad they feel they cannot proceed into beta, then that problem needs to be taken care of first.

The dates we've been given have never been set in stone, so I don't see why a couple posts I read mentioned 'false promises' from SOE. This isn't the case at all, they gave out a ballpark date that would only come to fruition IF the team did not encounter any unforeseen problems.

[XxAxMayxX]

can't wait but I won't be in the first wave (not an official vet)

[Revanmug]

Who said anything about a major bug??? I was just quoting Smedly on saying they want to "polish" some things because they want the beta to be "awesome". :huh:

You asked me a question that has nothing do with the delay, but didn't answer any of my questions.

Again, why do they need a "POLISHED" beta in order to start it? It's a beta test, we know there will be bugs? The only thing I can think of... is they DO in fact want to have a somewhat glorified demo. I mean, they already are taking a few pages out of the mainstream modern gaming book. :sick:

Note: I have faith in the dev team. But question SOE's PR agenda at the moment. I'm just playing devil's advocate here.


You are just being retard and playing with words. Ironic isn't it? Polishing could mean anything they want aka "who said it wasn't majors bugs?". You ask about delay. I tell you they found things to fix/polish and those things are big enough to delay said beta.

Exemple? Hey guys, this comp spec, and this one, and this one too cannot play with an acceptable framerate. It also crash at certain moment. We got a bug to fix and coding to polish.

-So now, tell me. What is the point in "testing" an unplayable game?
-If they got a big enough list to work on, why would you add more problems (and usually, just the same one over and over with people crying on top) before the older one are done?

[Hamma]

Woosah.... Woosah...... calm.. be calm.

[Idunno]

You are just being retard and playing with words. Ironic isn't it? Polishing could mean anything they want aka "who said it wasn't majors bugs?". You ask about delay. I tell you they found things to fix/polish and those things are big enough to delay said beta.

Exemple? Hey guys, this comp spec, and this one, and this one too cannot play with an acceptable framerate. It also crash at certain moment. We got a bug to fix and coding to polish.

-So now, tell me. What is the point in "testing" an unplayable game?
-If they got a big enough list to work on, why would you add more problems (and usually, just the same one over and over with people crying on top) before the older one are done?

Because children cry when they don't get what they want.

[Sephirex]

If we keep this up, we'll be back to "Soon" dates only for the entirety of the Beta cycle.

[Idunno]

If we keep this up, we'll be back to "Soon" dates only for the entirety of the Beta cycle.

Exactly.

[Landtank]

I'm just saying, they are having trouble getting the game to work with the people they have, they don't need anyone else.

[Idunno]

I'm just saying, they are having trouble getting the game to work with the people they have, they don't need anyone else.

Yep totally understand , they need to fix the huge gamebreaking bugs like login issues. I am willing to wait.

[Sephirex]

Yep totally understand , they need to fix the huge gamebreaking bugs like login issues. I am willing to wait.

You're wiser than your name lets on.

I'm onto you.

[Revanmug]

EDIT: Look, what I'm trying to say is, they could have invited us today, but felt we would be far more impressed with the build they plan to have ready by friday or monday than what they have now, obviously. If you really want to read between the lines: they invited as few people as they could get away with for the tech test, so that the real deal would feel like the real deal when they opened the flood gates, y'knowwhatI'msayin'?

lol. "Guys, can we play the game? I don't care if it's pretty bad or crashing or whatever. I just want to play."

How hard is it to understand : "We don't need more people. We have enough work to do right now without having to bother with more people."

[EisenKreutzer]

EDIT: Look, what I'm trying to say is, they could have invited us today, but felt we would be far more impressed with the build they plan to have ready by friday or monday than what they have now, obviously. If you really want to read between the lines: they invited as few people as they could get away with for the tech test, so that the real deal would feel like the real deal when they opened the flood gates, y'knowwhatI'msayin'?

Or maybe they invited as many people as they needed? Maybe?

[LightningDriver]

The first few weeks of beta will be stress testing the login server, and maybe 1 out of every 10 people will actually get the play for 10 minutes after trying for a few hours to log in. Just like every other MMO beta.....

This is important, but nothing really to look forward to. Relax.

[SpcFarlen]

So soon doesnt mean 8 weeks, it means 9 weeks now. Hopefully.

[Littleman]

I took the tweets to mean more along the lines of an artist that's embarrassed to show an unfinished work wanting to finish that work before presenting it... not that they're still having huge issues after a few weeks of tech testing.

Neither this:

"Had planned for today or tomorrow but we have some stuff we need to make sure is awesome"

Nor this:

"the team is working like crazy but we need to polish some stuff and test it before we let in a massive # of people."

Infers they have not ran into a hiccup of any kind. It's more like the team got more finished than expected while the big heads were in China, so why not set the closed beta up with that content/mechanics instead of going in without it?

EDIT: Or maybe they invited as many people as they needed? Maybe?

Same difference in the grand scheme of things :) They certainly didn't invite a surplus of users with a 200 series graphics card, Vista OS, 4 gigs of ram, and i7 core >.>

[lawnmower]

there are no other sites reporting about this game
only weird game mags with no communities and no one really cares about (2-3)
biggest gaming newssite in sweden has tons of news about it and getting plenty of comments. where the hell are you getting these things from?

[NePaS]

I took the tweets to mean more along the lines of an artist that's embarrassed to show an unfinished work wanting to finish that work before presenting it... not that they're still having huge issues after a few weeks of tech testing.

Neither this:

"Had planned for today or tomorrow but we have some stuff we need to make sure is awesome"

Nor this:

"the team is working like crazy but we need to polish some stuff and test it before we let in a massive # of people."

Infers they have not ran into a hiccup of any kind. It's more like the team got more finished than expected while the big heads were in China, so why not set the closed beta up with that content/mechanics instead of going in without it?

EDIT:

Same difference in the grand scheme of things :) They certainly didn't invite a surplus of users with a 200 series graphics card, Vista OS, 4 gigs of ram, and i7 core >.>

Do you expect them to be brutally honest and say:

"Here you go,here is the beta,dont worry,we know all about the client falling over every 5 mins and we also know about some PC's being nuked,we will fix it shortly"

Not exactly the best way to advertise your game is it?

Of course they are not going to tell you if they are having major problems,it looks bad for the reputation of the game.

[Sephirex]

Same difference in the grand scheme of things :) They certainly didn't invite a surplus of users with a 200 series graphics card, Vista OS, 4 gigs of ram, and i7 core >.>

You're right. I'll prepare a list of people we know with those specs so we can get that surplus going immediately.

In fact, we should set up a hotline for all the people that think there's an extra spot open in the tech test for their specs.

Then we can start whining how more tech test people got invited, but Beta invites still didn't go out.

[Littleman]

You're right. I'll prepare a list of people we know with those specs so we can get that surplus going immediately.

In fact, we should set up a hotline for all the people that think there's an extra spot open in the tech test for their specs.

Then we can start whining how more tech test people got invited, but Beta invites still didn't go out.

I expected better from you. Yup, missing the point entirely if the REST of my post isn't an indication of how I see the delay. But then, this entire back and forth is about what we THINK is causing the delay: you think it's client issues, I think it's taking advantage of being ahead of schedule in development and wanting to show the bulk of their applied testers a more finished product, not simply a more stable one.

By the way, I covered that last point already. Way to read ALL of my posts ALL the way through.

And NePaS, they've been pretty open thus far. I've come to trust in their wording. I'm confident they have most of the client issues handled by now. I'm looking forward to a good play experience with more systems in place than what the tech testers have experienced thus far.

Admittedly, I really can't tell what the hell they're doing, and I don't know exactly what is in game right now. Knowledge of what they're doing/adding wouldn't change the current situation now anyway.

At least I can breath knowing I can just forget about invites until next weekend.

[Stizzi]

Fuck Beta for now, give dev-team a week hard-earned vacation, meantime let the vets have "fun" with the tech-build at own "risk"

[Sephirex]

I expected better from you. Yup, missing the point entirely if the REST of my post isn't an indication of how I see the delay. But then, this entire back and forth is about what we THINK is causing the delay: you think it's client issues, I think it's taking advantage of being ahead of schedule in development and wanting to show the bulk of their applied testers a more finished product, not simply a more stable one.

And NePaS, they've been pretty open thus far. I've come to trust in their wording. I'm confident they have most of the client issues handled by now. I'm looking forward to a good play experience with more systems in place than what the tech testers have experienced thus far.

Admittedly, I really can't tell what the hell they're doing, and I don't know exactly what is in game right now. Knowledge of what they're doing/adding wouldn't change the current situation now anyway.

At least I can breath knowing I can just forget about invites until next weekend.

Sorry, the last part of your post seemed especially self-serving, so I picked up on that. It was rather unfair of me to ignore the rest of your post and I apologize.

You're right on our key difference in perspectives. I just can't fathom that they're ahead of schedule.

1. Key team members were in China for a week.
2. Several large gaming news sites reported on Smedley's expected Beta date (he had to make the announcement knowing he'd lose face)
3. Twitter's been silent, and all word has been that the team is having to break some serious ass to get stuff done. Tramell's few tweets were more irritable than usual, and Higby's made references to falling asleep at his desk, endless meetings and the hash-tag #sadtimes.
4. All word from the Tech Testers is that the game is pretty unplayable from a technical perspective.

This to me spells trouble. Not things are going great, but hey let's get it even better. His even more "awesome" quote is just PR cover to me for "Oh God, this is harder than we thought!"

[Carnage]

Did ppl really not see this coming? it was inevitable Mr. Anderson...

[opticalshadow]

Fuck Beta for now, give dev-team a week hard-earned vacation, meantime let the vets have "fun" with the tech-build at own "risk"

the tech build did not in anyway take into account vet status. it was based on tech specs. there are plenty of vets (myself included) who have been playing ps1 since launch and didnt get in, just as there are plenty of people who didnt know ps1 exsisted in tech.

[Littleman]

Sorry, the last part of your post seemed especially self-serving, so I picked up on that. It was rather unfair of me to ignore the rest of your post and I apologize.

You're right on our key difference in perspectives. I just can't fathom that they're ahead of schedule.

4. All word from the Tech Testers is that the game is pretty unplayable from a technical perspective.

This to me spells trouble. Not things are going great, but hey let's get it even better. His even more "awesome" quote is just PR cover to me for "Oh God, this is harder than we thought!"

Well, I take what Smed says at face value, and take the "NDA leaks" as rumor because, well, they can't exactly post proof of those problems, now can they? It's like people saying they got an invite on this very forum. Can't really take them at face value as actually being in the tests.

It's all moot in a week. Whether or not they're fixing major issues, or adding new $#!%, we'll never know the difference come friday, monday, or whatever date another potential delay might have us wait until. With no prior experience, and only the word of tech testers to go on, it's all brand new to us anyway.

Wow, arguments really do come down to semantics 90% of the time.

[vVRedOctoberVv]

Wow, arguments really do come down to semantics 90% of the time.

They do in a text format, for sure. I've lost count how many "fights" I've started with a girl via a text message. Apparently the presence or absence of a ":)" is all the difference in the world...

[Tarconus]

I have had so much stuff happening in my life I haven't been able to even get a minute to catch up on this stuff so it's fine by me if it's delayed.

[Zidane]

Wow been a while since Ive seen this much e-rage lolz

[vVRedOctoberVv]

Wow been a while since Ive seen this much e-rage lolz

Really? Last time I saw this much e-rage was last week.... Actually, there was MORE e-rage last week. This is going over pretty well

[Stizzi]

the tech build did not in anyway take into account vet status. it was based on tech specs. there are plenty of vets (myself included) who have been playing ps1 since launch and didnt get in, just as there are plenty of people who didnt know ps1 exsisted in tech.

Sorry, expressed myself poorly, i meant they should open/flag tech-test op for vets, vet is not interested giving PS2 a bad reputation, and can live with the bugs ect, but dying to get hands on it.

After dev vacation, everybody has calm down, and dev fit for fight.

I had a slot on sons account since 2003:love:

[SpcFarlen]

Really? Last time I saw this much e-rage was last week.... Actually, there was MORE e-rage last week. This is going over pretty well

Its cus we are the abused wife who wont leave. Even though we get hit and beat up by SOE... we still love them. lol

[Tehroth]

Perhaps this is going the same way Darkfall online is. Soon™. All you darkfallers would know what with Tasos and his endless promises. If this type of thing happens with dates not being followed,you can be sure it will happen again.:lies::cry::wantbeta::fu:

[KnifeGun]

Perhaps this is going the same way Darkfall online is. Soon™. All you darkfallers would know what with Tasos and his endless promises. If this type of thing happens with dates not being followed,you can be sure it will happen again.:lies::cry::wantbeta::fu:


PS2 has me just as hyped as I was for DFO. I remember playing the refresh minigame just to be able to buy it when it was finally released. My goodness was that a nightmare.

However I have more faith/patience with SOE at this point. Remember when DFO devs thought it would be a good idea to make US users buy the game again if they were playing on EU servers. (if you weren't playing during the time they had server transfers for like 2 weeks) I immediately said fuck them and never played that game again.

I'm fairly new to PS but I will be just fine with waiting for SOE to hammer out whatever issues are causing the delays. This is the type of game I have been waiting for for a loooonnnngg ass time, regardless if i wasn't familiar with the franchise 6 months ago. This has everything I want in a game.

[soulsurfsublime]

Well I for one quit camping the PS2 forums and started playing Day Z with a group and have never felt happier. Guess the Beta will release when they are ready, hopefully next week.

[Hmr85]

Well I for one quit camping the PS2 forums and started playing Day Z with a group and have never felt happier. Guess the Beta will release when they are ready, hopefully next week.

I know how you feel. Sometimes you just need to take a break away from the madness.

[MockZero2]

You know they haven't given us for certain beta dates this entire time because it would piss people off if everything didn't go perfectly as planned.

Then the CEO of SOE was nice enough to give us a "Beta likely going to start". Then they have some unforeseen issues and you all get bent out of shape. Just putting aside all of the extremely hard work, weekends, and ridicules hours they have been putting in for us. Not to mention the most DEV interaction I have EVER seen. This wasn't even an official announcement let alone promise. Just a "likely".

This game is going to be badass but not by tomorrow. This definetly isn't because of lack of effort on their part so cut them some slack.

[worldvengence]

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t57/Thomzilla/FarK/Butthurt-Butthurt-everywhere.jpg

That pretty much sums it up...

[SixShooter]

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t57/Thomzilla/FarK/Butthurt-Butthurt-everywhere.jpg

That pretty much sums it up...

That picture just made me laugh so hard...:rofl:

[Vanath]

Oh God. I wasn't looking forward to the threads that would have sprung up on Wednesday but this is worse. I'll be locked in my bunker if anyone needs me.

[Littleman]

http://i157.photobucket.com/albums/t57/Thomzilla/FarK/Butthurt-Butthurt-everywhere.jpg

That pretty much sums it up...

Woody's face is perfect.


... Mentioning his name makes him seem so guilty. His face just says "did I do that?" Buzz Lightyear is like, "Mission accomplished! Good job, cadet!"

[Reizod]

You are just being retard and playing with words. Ironic isn't it? Polishing could mean anything they want aka "who said it wasn't majors bugs?". You ask about delay. I tell you they found things to fix/polish and those things are big enough to delay said beta.

Exemple? Hey guys, this comp spec, and this one, and this one too cannot play with an acceptable framerate. It also crash at certain moment. We got a bug to fix and coding to polish.

-So now, tell me. What is the point in "testing" an unplayable game?
-If they got a big enough list to work on, why would you add more problems (and usually, just the same one over and over with people crying on top) before the older one are done?

I'm playing with words eh? Just like Smed right, but if anyone else does it, we don't get a free pass? :groovy: I smell a brown-noser!

No, you tell me, what's the point of saying beta would maybe start on particular dates if was unplayable and "big enough list to work on"??? So, this list cropped up in 4 days right?

I can wait for beta, I'm just upset that reading between the lines and how things are going, that some of the folks at SOE cares more about the image/hype at this moment more than actual fleshing out bugs and such. And getting this beta started so they can hopefully meet their Q4 deadline/release.

Me thinks someone high up is actually afraid of negative feedback/view of the game that would surely leak out despite NDA. Hence them wanting the beta to be "awesome" for us. :rolleyes: aka reviews on various sites.

I mean, I love the PS2 devs, but geez, it's like everyone here are such fanboys (I'm one for sure) that you all are scared to critique anything they do that might seem negative. :scared:

[Xaine]

Meh, i just wish they wouldn't say anything unless they were sure - then they can avoid this massive shit storm of rage. :P

[FatesMomma]

I'm playing with words eh? Just like Smed right, but if anyone else does it, we don't get a free pass? :groovy: I smell a brown-noser!

No, you tell me, what's the point of saying beta would maybe start on particular dates if was unplayable and "big enough list to work on"??? So, this list cropped up in 4 days right?

I can wait for beta, I'm just upset that reading between the lines and how things are going, that some of the folks at SOE cares more about the image/hype at this moment more than actual fleshing out bugs and such. And getting this beta started so they can hopefully meet their Q4 deadline/release.

Me thinks someone high up is actually afraid of negative feedback/view of the game that would surely leak out despite NDA. Hence them wanting the beta to be "awesome" for us. :rolleyes: aka reviews on various sites.

I mean, I love the PS2 devs, but geez, it's like everyone here are such fanboys (I'm one for sure) that you all are scared to critique anything they do that might seem negative. :scared:

In a realistic sense, would you prefer that they don't take proactive measures? And then if these fears that you believe SOE to have come to be, PS2 will crash and burn from negative publicity? The game needs numbers so it needs people to be interested in it. Bad word of mouth isn't going to bring in many. Personally, I'm fine with the beta being delayed as long as they feel it's needed as long as it pumps out a successful and fun game in the end.

[Bittermen]

Well I for one quit camping the PS2 forums and started playing Day Z with a group and have never felt happier. Guess the Beta will release when they are ready, hopefully next week.

Hahaha same!

And now MWO is out so I'm playing that.

[Arrius]

https://twitter.com/j_smedley/status/230014114590760963
Beta likely going to start Friday or Monday.
http://i50.tinypic.com/34erf2o.jpg

[Reizod]

In a realistic sense, would you prefer that they don't take proactive measures? And then if these fears that you believe SOE to have come to be, PS2 will crash and burn from negative publicity? The game needs numbers so it needs people to be interested in it. Bad word of mouth isn't going to bring in many. Personally, I'm fine with the beta being delayed as long as they feel it's needed as long as it pumps out a successful and fun game in the end.

Well, if the game is going to be so awesome as everyone keeps saying (including myself) and hopes it will be, then let the actual game speak for itself... right?

It's a dang beta, why so scared of negative feedback from that? Isn't that what REAL betas are for? Or is this in fact what some have stated... this phase will be a glorified demo with bugs? Or is there someone at SOE that cares MORE about the hype (usually a non gamer PR person thinks this way) than actually relying on the game's talent? Or is it a combo of the above?

I say, if they are confident in the game, let it show, and the hell with all the "bad word of mouth". Oh wait, that can only be if there is something truly bad in... in *gasp*... the beta!!! :eek:

Please re-read what you posted... are you REALLY fine with beta being delayed as long as it "pumps out a successful and fun game in the end"??? The point of a REAL beta is to achieve this "successful and fun" game. Otherwise, it will be just like all of the other modern shooter's "betas". :doh:

[Vanath]

Well, if the game is going to be so awesome as everyone keeps saying (including myself) and hopes it will be, then let the actual game speak for itself... right?

It's a dang beta, why so scared of negative feedback from that? Isn't that what REAL betas are for? Or is this in fact what some have stated... this phase will be a glorified demo with bugs? Or is there someone at SOE that cares MORE about the hype (usually a non gamer PR person thinks this way) than actually relying on the game's talent? Or is it a combo of the above?

I say, if they are confident in the game, let it show, and the hell with all the "bad word of mouth". Oh wait, that can only be if there is something truly bad in... in *gasp*... the beta!!! :eek:

Please re-read what you posted... are you REALLY fine with beta being delayed as long as it "pumps out a successful and fun game in the end"??? The point of a REAL beta is to achieve this "successful and fun" game. Otherwise, it will be just like all of the other modern shooter's "betas". :doh:

Did you ever consider the problem that caused this setback has nothing to do with the game at all? Maybe they have a server problem or a problem with the system to email out the invites or many other things that could have an issue come up that you as someone in a beta have nothing to do with fixing.

[Reizod]

Did you ever consider the problem that caused this setback has nothing to do with the game at all? Maybe they have a server problem or a problem with the system to email out the invites or many other things that could have an issue come up that you as someone in a beta have nothing to do with fixing.

Did you even read Smed's tweet with the explanation why the beta dates he tweeted last week was delayed??? :ugh:

[Vanath]

Did you even read Smed's tweet with the explanation why the beta dates he tweeted last week was delayed??? :ugh:

Nope. Wasn't aware that existed. I just saw you arguing about something you can't change.

Edit: Now after reading it, it sounds like they're making sure something is playable by a mass number of people before letting in those people. That sounds perfectly fine to me. If you can't actually play you can't really test. It would just end up with tons of reports about it being broken and having us wait for that to be fixed anyway.