PSA: Listen Up Guys..

[Hamma]

It's high time I make a thread about the recent developments. Yes beta was said to be Today or Tomorrow and it's now late this week. Yes this means that the information Smed tweeted was inaccurate.

Yes we know you aren't in beta and deserve to be.

Look guys - let's take a few steps back and look at this. You all are raging hard about beta of a game and how SOE and Smed are breaking promises. Posting dumbass images and attacking eachother over a game that every single one of us will end up playing eventually.

Step back and look at the big picture and start acting like the community I know and have had the pleasure of being a part of for the past 10 years. Quit raging in the forums and at the devs via Twitter and let them do their jobs.

Releasing an MMO is a massive undertaking, thousands of man hours, personnel from the devs all the way down to the systems and servers, networking, APIs and all sorts of fun stuff.

This shit is complicated give them a break and relax a bit.

[lMABl]

Well said.

[Raymac]

I think Basti is going to lock this thread. ;)

[Imij]

YES! Thank you Hamma.

[Sco]

Hear hear! Could not agree more.

[Solidblock]

Amen.

[Top Sgt]

I think Basti is going to lock this thread. ;)

lol that was a witty reply

Unfortunately Hamma the PS community has been invaded by mainstream players.. hence the quick turn in community attitude. now it's a mix of disgruntels from others games etc.

But you have enough good guys here to overcome it's all good.

[Charred]

"shaddup all whiners game come when it come!!! xD whiner get lifes ffs ;)))"

My problem isn't the lack of beta, it's the lack of PR-skills from Smedley and SOE.

[Ranik Ortega]

This shit is complicated give them a break and relax a bit.

Agreed. If the rumors i'm hearing are true then a small delay is warranted for polishing up a few things.

Then again I was expecting it to be delayed so maybe I was just mentally prepared.

[Whalenator]

yo this is wack

[Xyntech]

Not another thread whining abou... Oh, hi Hamma... :D

It will be nice once this bumpy little footnote in the communities history is behind us.

Someone should start a new "driver gunner versus dedicated gunner MBT" thread. Those are always heated enough to take some of the focus away from other topics. ;)

[NewSith]

Yeah, all the infuriation can break even a man with heart of iron.

Nice post Hamma, though in my opinion it's a good time to "tighten the curfews" until the start of the beta. Though I'm a VS, I never badmouthed the TR censorship policy much...

[Charred]

Agreed. If the rumors i'm hearing are true then a small delay is warranted for polishing up a few things.

Then again I was expecting it to be delayed so maybe I was just mentally prepared.

Nice job quoting the OP.

[Trafalgar]

It's high time I make a thread about the recent developments. Yes beta was said to be Today or Tomorrow and it's now late this week. Yes this means that the information Smed tweeted was inaccurate.

Technically it wasn't inaccurate, as Smedley also said in the same tweet that the beta would be Mon/Tues "barring unforseen circumstances."

Although there wasn't a resonance cascade, I think finding unexpected issues in the last test (from what I heard) and needing to do a bit more work to get the game ready for beta would also count as "unforseen circumstances."

[dachlatte]

best part is that smed never promised anything. he said the plan was for beta to start today or tomorrow but it might very well be pushed back if something came up.

people need to chill the f out

[ChipMHazard]

Not another thread whining abou... Oh, hi Hamma... :D

Hehe :D

[VaderShake]

Hamma,

After going through the lack of info and customer unfriendly ringer with EA/DICE over BF3 believe me I will glady wait for the PS2 beta, the SOE team has been a million times more transparent and customer aware than DICE/EA could ever hope to be in their most explosive wet dream.

[IgloGlass]

"shaddup all whiners game come when it come!!! xD whiner get lifes ffs ;)))"

My problem isn't the lack of beta, it's the lack of PR-skills from Smedley and SOE.

Oh quit it you. They have never made a single promise about anything and you should be grateful that they have been this open from the start. They've got no "lack of PR-skill", they've just been open about their work when they did not need to be and for that we should thank them.

Now I'm as sad about this as you guys are, maybe even more than a few guys because I start school again on the 9th, but we should seriously just accept that this is going to take a while and that they could've launched beta today but because they are not doing it we'll hopefully receive a better product.

[Luieburger]

Breaking news!

The beta is not actually going to start "later this week". It will be delayed to next week, and then again after that.

Brace yourselves.

[Zulthus]

There aren't even that many ragers and whiners. Of course some people are going to be slightly upset and that's perfectly fine.

Just let people say what they have to say, as long as it isn't a rage rant or a boo hoo thread.

[Hmr85]

Well said Hamma and I agree.

[julfo]

I think Basti is going to lock this thread. ;)

:rofl::rofl:

Brilliant

[ChipMHazard]

Hamma,

After going through the lack of info and customer unfriendly ringer with EA/DICE over BF3 believe me I will glady wait for the PS2 beta, the SOE team has been a million times more transparent and customer aware than DICE/EA could ever hope to be in their most explosive wet dream.

Well SOE sure couldn't have gotten any worse so there was only way for them to go. :p

[EveningTide]

Here here.

[Raymac]

Breaking news!

The beta is not actually going to start "later this week". It will be delayed to next week, and then again after that.

Brace yourselves.

I actually fully expect you to be right. A one-of-a-kind undertaking like Planetside 2 will undoubtedly run into delays, and delays on top of delays. We'll all be playing someday. It's not like we are talking about Duke Nukem Forever type delays...oh shit, I just jinxed it.

[Masterr]

I think Basti is going to lock this thread. ;)

Yeah I LOL'ed when I found my thread locked and Hamma made one afterwards with the same thing in mind. Apparently me and Hamma have been reading the same posts, idk what Basti is reading. Great work :rofl:

[JRoD IST]

It's high time I make a thread about the recent developments. Yes beta was said to be Today or Tomorrow and it's now late this week. Yes this means that the information Smed tweeted was inaccurate.

Yes we know you aren't in beta and deserve to be.

Look guys - let's take a few steps back and look at this. You all are raging hard about beta of a game and how SOE and Smed are breaking promises. Posting dumbass images and attacking eachother over a game that every single one of us will end up playing eventually.

Step back and look at the big picture and start acting like the community I know and have had the pleasure of being a part of for the past 10 years. Quit raging in the forums and at the devs via Twitter and let them do their jobs.

Releasing an MMO is a massive undertaking, thousands of man hours, personnel from the devs all the way down to the systems and servers, networking, APIs and all sorts of fun stuff.

This shit is complicated give them a break and relax a bit.



Easy for you to say, you're in the tech test.

[Sephirex]

Easy for you to say, you're in the tech test.

pics:

JK. Even if he is, I still agree.

[basti]

To be clear, i saw this coming. Forgelight is a new engine, its bound to have bugs that screw plans. And theres no point to let a crapload of people in if all of them will tell you exactly what you already know: The game crashes / has terrible performance / has annoying Bugs that make it impossible to actually play / has no kittens / whatever. Should smed have said nothing about a date? Maybe, but we would have kept asking regardless, and would have raged about no reply. It propably looked good for today or tommorow at some point, but it seems something popped up that screwed the plan. Happens. Been there, done that, plenty of times. Chill, relax, enjoy the fact that you have at least one more week of your life. ;)






I think Basti is going to lock this thread. ;)

:D


Just trying to get people to use the thread thats ment to be used, rather than having a whole page full of threads about the exact same topic. ;)



Anyway, Ray, enjoy your Ban. :mad::p:D

[RSphil]

well said Hamma.
i have been involved with alot of betas and a few alphas and nothing runs smooth or on time. people have to realize how lucky they are they get any info from the dev team at all.

be patient. they have things to do to make it work. and when you do get in beta please dont post stupid threads saying this is crap it dosent work or this is wrong. that is what beta's are for. we are here to break the game not play it. any problems in beta please let the dev team know by what ever means they implement.

lets make this game legendary and be proud to say we helped with that and we where here from the start.

[QuantumMechanic]

Of important note from Smed's most recent update is beta now maybe to start on Friday or MONDAY.

Pushing beta to next Monday buys them extra time over the weekend to get things straightened out.

I for one do not expect beta to start this week. Others should do the same...

[Hamma]

best part is that smed never promised anything. he said the plan was for beta to start today or tomorrow but it might very well be pushed back if something came up.

Indeed but people have selective reading. :lol:

[ChipMHazard]

Easy for you to say, you're in the tech test.

I'm sorry, we cannot confirm or deny the testing status of Mr. Hamma at this time:p

[SixShooter]

Someone should start a new "driver gunner versus dedicated gunner MBT" thread. Those are always heated enough to take some of the focus away from other topics. ;)

Please, for the love of god, NO:rofl:

[Hamma]

Whether or not I am in Tech Test or not is irrelevant I would be making this thread regardless.

[dafuq]

i bet my ass and my left nut all of the PSU staff is in tech test
and by reading the online member list of the beta forums which anyone can see, i dont lose my nut nor my ass

[SUBARU]

There aren't even that many ragers and whiners. Of course some people are going to be slightly upset and that's perfectly fine.

Just let people say what they have to say, as long as it isn't a rage rant or a boo hoo thread.

This

[SUBARU]

Indeed but people have selective reading. :lol:

17 days after Higbys hair cut and counting :eek:

[bullet]

I find this whole scenario hilarious. People just need to chill and do something else. Even if it did start today, there was probably a 2% chance of you getting in.

Stop raging about your chance to rage when you didn't get the email sent to you.

[dafuq]

17 days after Higbys hair cut and counting :eek:

maybe there will be another hair cut - beta announcement

17 days and his hair must be as long as it were before

[Jennyboo]

i bet my ass and my left nut all of the PSU staff is in tech test
and by reading the online member list of the beta forums which anyone can see, i dont lose my nut nor my ass

I refer you to Hamma's previous response :p

Whether or not I am in Tech Test or not is irrelevant I would be making this thread regardless.


I agree this needed to be said :)

[Meecrob]

There aren't even that many ragers and whiners. Of course some people are going to be slightly upset and that's perfectly fine.

Just let people say what they have to say, as long as it isn't a rage rant or a boo hoo thread.

This, since the news about beta delay ive seen like 90% posts that are a rant about people raging. And at most 5% rage... then there was that letter to smed and that was just silly :p

[ziegler]

This shit is complicated give them a break and relax a bit.

I hate when people take away my need to naturale GAWD given right to rage!!.....thanks man....now I am gonna be all mellow and next thing you know I'll long hair and be makin love to hippie chicks....and it's all your fault...but I forgive you and stuff man.

[maskedskull]

Well said and shared my feelings in the matter in a better way than I could have said it.

[ChipMHazard]

This, since the news about beta delay ive seen like 90% posts raging about people raging.

That's what happens when you're used to being part of communities that actually DO rage over such things, uncontrollably.
The forum version of being trigger happy.:p

[Gugabalog]

I agree wit Hamma.

Btw watching some of your youtube posted streams :D

[basti]

I hate when people take away my need to naturale GAWD given right to rage!!.....thanks man....now I am gonna be all mellow and next thing you know I'll long hair and be makin love to hippie chicks....and it's all your fault...but I forgive you and stuff man.

Pass the blunt man, dont keep all that weed for yaself dude!

[SUBARU]

HOLD the phone, let this man have beta RIGHT now because another man got a haircut. It's his world and we just live in it.

Chillax brotha! It's all gonna be okay... I promise you will play Planetside 2 unless you are in a terrible accident or your computer breaks or something... let SOE get it right before letting us get our hands on it... I'd much rather my first time playing be an amazing memory and not an unplayable drag.

I really dont care about beta anymore .Just staying.,17 days ago ,somebody got a hair cut,and that was to mean something

[Sephirex]

I really dont care about beta anymore .Just staying.,17 days ago ,somebody got a hair cut,and that was to mean something

Higby said he wouldn't cut his hair until outside testers were playing the game.
And they are.
And I hate them.
Just a little.

Anyways, I hope this doesn't slow down the overall schedule and that they will take this opportunity to get more support structures in place so the initial invites ramp up faster to make up for lost time.

[Midgard]

Hamma is so tranquil because he played the Tech test, we not, that's the difference.

[rhombus]

I'd like to add a few thoughts from the perspective of a software developer. No I don't work in games but I've contributed to projects as small as internal tools and as big as operating systems.

For the short explanation, here's how it'll all work in emoticons:

-- Today you're not in the beta and you're all :cry:
-- When you get your beta invite email you'll be :bouncy:
-- When the game crashes on your first day: :cry:
-- When you have that first moment of a really great time: :jawdrop:
-- When something effs up because a game mechanic is broken: :flamemad:
-- When you've had a really bad day of bugs during the beta you'll be doing this again on the forums: :spam:
-- And we'll all be like "cry me a river": :boohoo:
-- When stuff gets fixed and you're finally having a good time you'll be: :groovy:
-- But like seriously, the devs don't need your hyperactive shit so SERIOUSLY: :nodrama:

Longer explanation:

As of E3, Planetside 2 wasn't ready for beta. It was pretty much a case of being way too successful for its current state. I don't know that as fact but I've sensed the nervousness and uncertainty whenever anyone at SOE talks about Beta. So where are those developers now?

Release mode. It won't be a 1.0 release, it'll be a beta release, but we live in a time when software is released early and improved upon as time goes on. What do software developers do in this "release mode"? Every day there are "bug triage" in which all the currently open bugs are discussed and prioritized. The bugs with the highest priority are called "showstoppers", which include things like the game crashing or disconnecting, or the server software crashing or erroring. That's the only class of bug that they're fixing right now.

Things like "weapon X is way too powerful" is not a "showstopper" and won't be fixed during release mode. What they have to fix is two things: 1) that you can get into the game and 2) that it doesn't crash on you. Most of everything else besides can be weird, broken, or even downright missing.

I have no inside information but knowing what I do about software development in general, this ongoing Tech Test can't be that fun. That the Beta is being pushed back by a week only means one thing to me: the game is still crashing or disconnecting.

So try looking at the situation this way: some select few masochists are putting up with a whole bunch of deal breaking bugs so that when YOU finally get into the game you won't have to suffer them.

However, the troubles don't end there. Chances are when we finally get to play the game there's going to be all those bugs that weren't showstoppers before. Gameplay mechanics being broken, visual glitches, unbalanced play, whole features being hidden away while more work is being done. Heck, we may see crashes and disconnects because the more people that use the software, the better the odds that a bad bug will crop up.

SOE is giving us a huge break by pushing beta out so early. That means two things: 1) you get a gift six months before Christmas and 2) you now have the responsibility of not crapping all over the gift you got early.

Beta isn't some weird term for "early access." It's incomplete software. I know we'll have fun, but we'll all experience moments of frustration every day. Every week it'll get better, that much we can be guaranteed.

Finally: :hass:

[Sephirex]

snip

Fantastic post.

And for TLDR: Just read it. He's not wasting your time.

[Fuel Truck]

Unfortunately Hamma the PS community has been invaded by mainstream players.. hence the quick turn in community attitude.

I guarantee the majority of whiners aren't mainstream players, it's us vets who have been waiting for years...

[Raymac]

I guarantee the majority of whiners aren't mainstream players, it's us vets who have been waiting for years...

Actually, I think most of the people that have been following the development of PS2 over the last year and a half have a pretty good idea of the timescale we are dealing with here. I remember when we were pretty sure beta would be Q1/Q2 of 2012 at the lastest. Every time I hear a date I think, "Yeah, we'll see about that."

[EVILPIG]

Good job Hamma, this is your house. I made a similar thread a while back and they needed to be reminded.

[Plix]

Great post Hamma. People need to chill. Go watch the olympics and root for USA USA! :)

[Gin]

As frustrating as it may be waiting for the closed beta to start, at least know that they are making the game better so that when that invite finally does come, the game is more polished and runs better across all systems.

Based on all the info we've seen, I would say this game is quite a ways off from release. Even with closed beta getting pushed back another week ( :( ), there will still be plenty of time to test the game IMO. Clearly they are taking their time with the game, which is a good thing!

[dafuq]

Great post Hamma. People need to chill. Go watch the olympics and root for USA USA! :)

well, i dont cheer for the USA, and i really knew that the USA girl would win the skeet shooting since thats what you US guys doing all day.. shoot some things :D

[rhombus]

A visual explanation.

[Raymac]

well, i dont cheer for the USA, and i really knew that the USA girl would win the skeet shooting since thats what you US guys doing all day.. shoot some things :D

Too soon.

[Papscal]

This happens when ever a popular tittle nears beta, its normal. And pointing it out just gives the rambunctious crowd another reason to carry on. Like a killer seeking fame, after the deed is done putting it on prime time news just appeases him.

[Kalledorn]

A visual explanation.

agreed.

[vVRedOctoberVv]

Too soon.

*facepalm*

He's referring to the US having lots of guns in general. Southern boys and what not.

[Sephirex]

*facepalm*

He's referring to the US having lots of guns in general. Southern boys and what not.

Civil War.
Too soon.

[vVRedOctoberVv]

@Sephirex

It's certainly a touchy subject for me.

[dafuq]

*facepalm*

He's referring to the US having lots of guns in general. Southern boys and what not.

this, the only reportage that i see in the TV is either:

Gangs in NEW YORK
Nazi Gangs in Jail
MS13
or some other crazy stuff, but never something about the civil war which may would be alot more interesting for me and many other people here.. lol

and thats not even a joke

[goneglockin]

People are raging at the devs? Who has time? Aren't we all middle-aged men with shit tons of responsibilities? Doesn't time spent raging now get held against us later by family members who we will no doubt neglect to play?

You have to neglect people in small, short bursts. You also have to choose when to spend time neglecting people in your life wisely. I'm saving those why didn't you come to bed last night talks for when the game launches.

[Sledgecrushr]

Thank you Hamma for being a voice of reason.

[Minigun]

I still seriously doubt that CB starts Friday or next Monday. I honestly would not believe twitter if I was all of you, that is not a concrete source of information. Take it from someone who has been waiting since PS2 was announced in an E-mail years back. About the only thing I can confirm is that Beta will be sometime before 2013 and unfortunately that's as concrete as it gets.

I'm still a little Irked about how they conducted themselves for the Tech Test but hey, that's business. You need to understand they are in it to make money. Not give us a free game. I do not doubt they will deliver us an excellent game, just do not be shocked when they break another promise because I can say without a shadow of a doubt this will not be the last.

[Toppopia]

I'm still a little Irked about how they conducted themselves for the Tech Test

What happened during the Tech Test?

[Shinjorai]

I hate to see them push the beta back but at the same time im glad because it means theyre doing it right. Id rather they take their time and fix things than just leave them to push the game out in a hurry even though its broken. Too many companies do that now a days and the games suck. People's natural nature seems to be to complain and bitch about things unfortunately now adays because we live in the age of immediate fulfillment.Everything everybody wants is right at their finger tips.

People need to learn to practice patience, not just with this but in life in general.Look at it this way, by the time we do get into the beta itll be even sweeter because weve been waiting patiently for a long while. So what we dont get into beta right away? Were still going to get in eventually like hamma said and its still going to be the same game weve all been waiting on. Theres other things in life besides planetside 2, go hangout with your friends or go outside and get some sunshine and fresh air for god sakes lol. If youre so intent on a game and that obsessed with it youre actually gonna ruin it for yourselves anyway because youll be nitpicking over every little detail going super OCD and then you wont be able to just relax play the game and enjoy it.

I dont mean any of this in a rude or condescending manner its just point of fact and something to consider.

[Littleman]

Easy for you to say, you're in the tech test.

i bet my ass and my left nut all of the PSU staff is in tech test
and by reading the online member list of the beta forums which anyone can see, i dont lose my nut nor my ass

Whether or not I am in Tech Test or not is irrelevant I would be making this thread regardless.

Just thought I'd point out something that needs mentioning regarding calming the masses whom are, over all, being surprisingly calm... that could be a bad sign for SOE actually.

Requests for one to practice a virtue are made weaker when coming from those whom need not practice those same virtues.

In other words, if you're in some exclusive club, turning around and telling people to wait to get into that exclusive club won't have the same effect as someone standing outside beside them, waiting for access and saying those same words.

Fortunately we seem to be dealing with mere embers, but again, I think this could be a sign people are just getting tired of the roller coaster ride.

NOTE for the public: I have no proof PSU's staff is in the tech test, but I have no reason to doubt with SOE's continual presence on these boards that they do indeed have access.

EDIT: That all said, the way Smed worded his tweets, sounds more like they want to implement a few features and make sure they're working before they bring us in. I'm thinking they really want our first impression to be a mostly finished game, just possibly needs a little balancing and some more features. Always have my fingers crossed for daily invites when they do kick off the closed beta!

[vVRedOctoberVv]

Well, I'm assuredly NOT in the club, and I'm still telling people to wait in line :)

[Minigun]

What happened during the Tech Test?

Your asking the wrong person. I was not part of it even though I was told ages ago I would be one of the first to get the game. I'm talking about the lack of info leading up to it then leaving their original playerbase who are still actively funding the game out of it by calling it a "technical test". so i guess what i'm trying to say is don't get disappointed when they break a promise to you too. It made me sick to hear of the people actually testing the game TBH some of them I had played other games with and when i mentioned planetside2 they said they would not play it, look at them now.

[HEISTT]

The announced delay is only a week for the first wave of invites. You can't all be expecting to get in that early anyway, we don't even know how often the invite waves go out and how many people get invited each wave. I'm more or less expecting to get invited 1 or 2 weeks after the first beta invite wave has gone out (as a PC-gamer key entrant I have to keep myself slightly sane somehow), and it wouldn't be unwise to have the same form of expectations for the people who decide to spew their anger all over this beautiful forum. With that said, I'd love to see some new footage (command center, gameplay) or a livestream from 'our God without hair' to keep us all warm and fuzzy during these darkened days.

Great post Hamma. People need to chill. Go watch the olympics and root for USA USA! :)

USA? Oh the great country that uses their hands for football... oh wait.

[Raymac]

Your asking the wrong person. I was not part of it even though I was told ages ago I would be one of the first to get the game. I'm talking about the lack of info leading up to it then leaving their original playerbase who are still actively funding the game out of it by calling it a "technical test". so i guess what i'm trying to say is don't get disappointed when they break a promise to you too. It made me sick to hear of the people actually testing the game TBH some of them I had played other games with and when i mentioned planetside2 they said they would not play it, look at them now.

:rolleyes:

This old gripe again? You realize the tech test didn't care about the "who", it only cared about the "what" meaning the actual computers? Get over it.

[Syphus]

USA? Oh the great country that uses their hands for football... oh wait.

Rugby Football.


Anyway, I can, and will, expect to be in the first wave of Beta invites.

[Sephirex]

Well, I'm assuredly NOT in the club, and I'm still telling people to wait in line :)

Hrmmmm....
http://www.planetside2forum.com/members/906-0RedOctober0

I'm watching you.:lol:

P.S.: Yes I know that's not really you or the real Beta forums.

[dafuq]

just anyone who has an active PS1 sub will be in most likely..
because smedley said: active subs will be in first

just log in and look, not even close to a poplock.. and a poplock is what? 600 ppl?

[EisenKreutzer]

:rolleyes:

This old gripe again? You realize the tech test didn't care about the "who", it only cared about the "what" meaning the actual computers? Get over it.

No no, SOE actually promised us, scouts honor, that we would be the first to play the game. Shook our hands and everything.

And now not only did they let other, clearly inferior people play OUR game, they also swore that the beta would be released today on the Bible and their dead grandmothers grave.

SOE has lied to us, insulted us and peed in my coffee when I went to the bathroom just now.

I say we set fire to their offices. Fair's fair.

[Minigun]

I myself would like to bet that a fair percentage of those "kissing ass" on this thread are in fact in the testing process right now. So take your following some wheres else.

[EisenKreutzer]

I myself would like to bet that a fair percentage of those "kissing ass" on this thread are in fact in the testing process right now. So take your following some wheres else.

Break out the tin foil hats, people!

[Raymac]

I myself would like to bet that a fair percentage of those "kissing ass" on this thread are in fact in the testing process right now. So take your following some wheres else.

I'll take that bet. I'll even give you 5:1 odds.

[Littleman]

Well, I'm assuredly NOT in the club, and I'm still telling people to wait in line :)

And that's why your words have more weight. If YOU started a thread saying word for word what Hamma said, it wouldn't sound so...

Honestly? Hypocritical. I can't think of another word that one might apply, even if regardless of whom the words are from, they're still true. Whom they come from matters to some people.

[Sephirex]

I myself would like to bet that a fair percentage of those "kissing ass" on this thread are in fact in the testing process right now. So take your following some wheres else.

Why would they even bother showing up?

[Electrofreak]

Hamma is so tranquil because he played the Tech test, we not, that's the difference.

If people who are in the Tech Test are telling you to relax and wait for SOE to fix things before they launch the official Beta, I would take the hint. :)

[The Degenatron]

It's high time I make a thread about the recent developments. Yes beta was said to be Today or Tomorrow and it's now late this week. Yes this means that the information Smed tweeted was inaccurate.

Yes we know you aren't in beta and deserve to be.

Look guys - let's take a few steps back and look at this. You all are raging hard about beta of a game and how SOE and Smed are breaking promises. Posting dumbass images and attacking eachother over a game that every single one of us will end up playing eventually.

Step back and look at the big picture and start acting like the community I know and have had the pleasure of being a part of for the past 10 years. Quit raging in the forums and at the devs via Twitter and let them do their jobs.

Releasing an MMO is a massive undertaking, thousands of man hours, personnel from the devs all the way down to the systems and servers, networking, APIs and all sorts of fun stuff.

This shit is complicated give them a break and relax a bit.

The only thing that saddens me is that it needs to be said at all.

"I thought you were made of sterner stuff." - Optimus Prime

[Sephirex]

If people who are in the Tech Test are telling you to relax and wait for SOE to fix things before they launch the official Beta, I would take the hint. :)

I'm not in tech test, but I've been seeing a lot of posts like these.
So, I'm just going to come out and say it.

If you couldn't tell from all the hints, in it's current state the game is a buggy wreck. That's why SOE didn't bother making sure the vets get to the tech test.

They want to put their best foot forward and for you not to see the CTD, disconnect-hell that is going on in tech test right now.

Game's delayed for a good reason. Just calm down and know SOE wants you guys in ASAP. They got everyone busting their ass, I'm sure.

[therandomone]

Anyway, I can, and will, expect to be in the first wave of Beta invites.

Do you carry that sense of entitlement everywhere you go? Because I'm sorry kiddo, it doesn't fly in the real world and it wont fly here.

Youll get in when you get in, calm your shit and get over yourself.

[dafuq]

i would enjoy it more, to test / find bugs, in the games current state then sitting on the forums and rage..


what pisses me off the most is that they dont even have a own forum opened for planetside 2, for people who are not in any sort of test...

just twitter and facebook.. wtf is this joke?

there are alot of people who dont know about this site

[EisenKreutzer]

[QUOTE=Syphus;807670
Anyway, I can, and will, expect to be in the first wave of Beta invites.[/QUOTE]

You do realise that there will be many waves of invites, and that even veterans may have to wait a while before they are invited?

[Minigun]

No no, SOE actually promised us, scouts honor, that we would be the first to play the game. Shook our hands and everything.

And now not only did they let other, clearly inferior people play OUR game, they also swore that the beta would be released today on the Bible and their dead grandmothers grave.

SOE has lied to us, insulted us and peed in my coffee when I went to the bathroom just now.

I say we set fire to their offices. Fair's fair.

Here's a simple example, when you go to the grocery store do you pay for other people to check out in front of you and for all of their things? When you go to get your oil changed do you pay for the others to make sure their oil is changed and finished before yours? Its the same scenario if you are fine with that then I guess i'll start following you to the grocery store because the rest of us are just insane for not wanting to do that.

[Raymac]

there are alot of people who dont know about this site

Do they know about google?

Because googling "planetside forums" / "planetside 2 forums" basically brings them here.

[Sephirex]

Here's a simple example, when you go to the grocery store do you pay for other people to check out in front of you and for all of their things?

Yeah. I do it at Costco all the time.

[capiqu]

Cut them a break after their trip to China they are all sleep walking. They are doing a hell of a good job . You can't compare Planetside2 to any other game , it is the future of games. Now if only they could turn planetside to planetside next
and make it free to play as well.

[dafuq]

Do they know about google?

Because googling "planetside forums" / "planetside 2 forums" basically brings them here.

well, I PERSONALLY would rather have an OFFICIAL FORUM than a fansite

[EisenKreutzer]

Here's a simple example, when you go to the grocery store do you pay for other people to check out in front of you and for all of their things? When you go to get your oil changed do you pay for the others to make sure their oil is changed and finished before yours? Its the same scenario if you are fine with that then I guess i'll start following you to the grocery store because the rest of us are just insane for not wanting to do that.

I am sorry, but I don't understand what you are trying to say.

[Blue]

It would be nice if they just picked a date, even if it was further in the future than expected..... just saying

[Sephirex]

I am sorry, but I don't understand what you are trying to say.

He's comparing the prize he got in his magazine to buying groceries. (if he's referring to his PS1 sub, then the analogy's even worse.)
Pretty much like, I bought this Captain Crunch cereal that came with a free movie ticket, therefore I should be in the very first screening.

[Raymac]

Here's a simple example, when you go to the grocery store do you pay for other people to check out in front of you and for all of their things? When you go to get your oil changed do you pay for the others to make sure their oil is changed and finished before yours? Its the same scenario if you are fine with that then I guess i'll start following you to the grocery store because the rest of us are just insane for not wanting to do that.

Who are you giving money to for Planetside 2?

If you are talking about a Planetside 1 subscription, then you are paying for Planetside 1. There's a difference between a 1 and a 2. Your analogy kinda sucks.

[Syphus]

You do realise that there will be many waves of invites, and that even veterans may have to wait a while before they are invited?

I am aware. Are you aware of the order?

[EisenKreutzer]

I am aware. Are you aware of the order?

I am perfectly aware of the order.
Do you think one wave will be enough to get all the Planetside 1 veterans into the test?
Do you believe all veterans will be invited at once?

[Syphus]

Do you carry that sense of entitlement everywhere you go? Because I'm sorry kiddo, it doesn't fly in the real world and it wont fly here.

Youll get in when you get in, calm your shit and get over yourself.

I do. But just because this amuses me.

[Kevin D Lee]

It's high time I make a thread about the recent developments. Yes beta was said to be Today or Tomorrow and it's now late this week. Yes this means that the information Smed tweeted was inaccurate.

Yes we know you aren't in beta and deserve to be.

Look guys - let's take a few steps back and look at this. You all are raging hard about beta of a game and how SOE and Smed are breaking promises. Posting dumbass images and attacking eachother over a game that every single one of us will end up playing eventually.

Step back and look at the big picture and start acting like the community I know and have had the pleasure of being a part of for the past 10 years. Quit raging in the forums and at the devs via Twitter and let them do their jobs.

Releasing an MMO is a massive undertaking, thousands of man hours, personnel from the devs all the way down to the systems and servers, networking, APIs and all sorts of fun stuff.

This shit is complicated give them a break and relax a bit.

I wouldn't be ragging if it were not for the fact during E3 they were hyping everyone up because Beta was to be 2 - 3 WEEKS after E3 was over.... been well past that and all there has been so far is a tech test where some of our friends are playing while we cannot.

It's frustrating to say the least because we know there are people enjoying the game right this second while we are left to play other games trying not to listen to how much fun certain people are having.

I haven't said anything in any of the other threads in regards to this delay. I don't intend to rage besides with this one here post in this one here thread.

I'm upset, not at the delay. But at how they've handled announcing the Beta since E3.

[dafuq]

I am perfectly aware of the order.
Do you think one wave will be enough to get all the Planetside 1 veterans into the test?
Do you believe all veterans will be invited at once?


seems like ur not aware of the order

its: ACTIVE SUBS > anytime subs > priority keys > normal sign ups



log into the game, and look how many ppl are playing, not even close to 600.. and i highly doubt they will not invite more than 600 ppl in the first wave

[EisenKreutzer]

seems like ur not aware of the order

its: ACTIVE SUBS > anytime subs > priority keys > normal sign ups

Are you illiterate?

[Raymac]

I am aware. Are you aware of the order?

Quote from John Smedley on 7/25/12:

"Our existing ps1 players are our first priority. That hasn't changed. But we can't let them all in at once. Thats just a fact."

There is a difference between hoping to be in the first wave, and expecting to be in the first wave. Keep it in the hope catagory.

[dafuq]

Are you illiterate?

John Smedley ‏@j_smedley
@CDLHamma seriously the parsing is amazing. It's simple - active subs > anytime subbed > priority keys > normal signups

[GreatMazinkaise]

If you couldn't tell from all the hints, in it's current state the game is a buggy wreck. That's why SOE didn't bother making sure the vets get to the tech test.

They want to put their best foot forward and for you not to see the CTD, disconnect-hell that is going on in tech test right now.

This is the point exactly... while their are certainly plenty of bugs to find, all reports suggest that the tech test version of the game is barely playable, if at all most of the time. The game's heading toward an old school style of beta, but it'll probably get rushed out the door like most of the others.

You think you're raging now? The potential for much worse is in the tech test build.

[EisenKreutzer]

John Smedley ‏@j_smedley
@CDLHamma seriously the parsing is amazing. It's simple - active subs > anytime subbed > priority keys > normal signups

Where in that tweet does he say that all veterans will be invited to the beta during the first wave?

Do you even understand what a wave is, in this context?

[Syphus]

Quote from John Smedley on 7/25/12:

"Our existing ps1 players are our first priority. That hasn't changed. But we can't let them all in at once. Thats just a fact."

There is a difference between hoping to be in the first wave, and expecting to be in the first wave. Keep it in the hope catagory.

You should log in to PS1.

[Raymac]

Where in that tweet does he say that all veterans will be invited to the beta during the first wave?

Do you even understand what a wave is, in this context?

He must have missed this tweet:

Our existing ps1 players are our first priority. That hasn't changed. But we can't let them all in at once. Thats just a fact.

[dafuq]

warming up my ignore list on this forum, good that it has one ..


as i said, anyone with an active sub, log in and look for yourself, almost no ones playing and if you have an active sub u will be most likely in the first wave of invites

[Raymac]

You should log in to PS1.

Someone explain to this guy the difference between active subs and people currently online.

[Littleman]

He's comparing the prize he got in his magazine to buying groceries.
Pretty much like, I bought this Captain Crunch cereal that came with a free movie ticket, therefore I should be in the very first screening.

He was comparing all his years paying for Planetside 1 only, for example, for people that heard about Planetside at all one day getting into the tech test the very next day.

Yeah, people paid for access to the servers, people agreed to those terms. People are just... I'd argue justifiably upset that their paying a fee for a game that can't even pop-lock a single continent on the ONE remaining server without free time on accounts is trumped by someone whom got lucky in a raffle and they didn't even know what the prize was.

To be honest, I'm with some other members here: I'd rather be playing a buggy Planetside than waiting any longer for the polished version, though I will wait since I have to. It's just I can't enjoy another FPS online because of Planetside 1's glory days, nothing ever compares as it's always inconsequential to win or lose, and I know Planetside 2 is the only game that can scratch this very old itch I have for online competitive FPS game play.

[StumpyTheOzzie]

I think Basti is going to lock this thread. ;)

BAHAHAHAHA!!!

Oh man, all the guys at work just looked at me funny for lolling so hard.

But yes, Hamma said it perfectly. We've waited 10 years, what's another 2 weeks?

[Raymac]

as i said, anyone with an active sub, log in and look for yourself, almost no ones playing and if you have an active sub u will be most likely in the first wave of invites

I don't have the numbers of how many active subscribers there currently are, or the number of beta invites there will be on the first wave. But do you know who has those numbers? Smed. So in this case, I'm going to take his word over yours. No disrespect to you.

[GreatMazinkaise]

Playing a buggy PS2 would be the functional equivalent of playing the buggy mess that is the old game. What exists is worse: take modern PS1, add in the initial release of Skyrim on console (with the giant memory leak), a little dash of the Day Z mod for Arma II for flavor, and a dollop of Windows Vista.

Does that sound like fun?

[EisenKreutzer]

as i said, anyone with an active sub, log in and look for yourself, almost no ones playing and if you have an active sub u will be most likely in the first wave of invites

I am sure there are more active subs than there are players online at any given time. Especially since active subs will get into the beta first.

I guarantee you that there will be active subscribers of PlanetSide 1 that will not get into the beta during the first wave. I guaran-fucking-tee it.

If I am wrong, I will take a flight to wherever you live in the world, on my own dime, and I will knife fight you. With an audience. I am that confident.

[Syphus]

Someone explain to this guy the difference between active subs and people currently online.

I can't tell if you are trolling or if you honestly believe that there is no corrolation between active subs and people connected at any given moment.

[Sephirex]

I can't tell if you are trolling or if you honestly believe that there is no corrolation between active subs and people connected at any given moment.

Problem is, there's been lots of instances of people milking a PS1 account without playing to make sure they get into Beta. Skews the numbers a little bit.

[EisenKreutzer]

I can't tell if you are trolling or if you honestly believe that there is no corrolation between active subs and people connected at any given moment.

In this specific case, I don't think there is a correlation between the two. Too many people have resubscribed to get into the beta at this point for the number of players online to be indicative of the number of active subscribers.

[Syphus]

Problem is, there's been lots of instances of people milking a PS1 account without playing to make sure they get into Beta. Skews the numbers a little bit.

I have no doubt there are some but I doubt that number is that big at all.

[PhoenixDog]

I can safely say I have no problem waiting for beta with threads like this to pass the time popcorn:

[dafuq]

Problem is, there's been lots of instances of people milking a PS1 account without playing to make sure they get into Beta. Skews the numbers a little bit.

i really doubt people spend 11€ every month just to get into a beta of a game..

and the number of active players dropped IMMENSELY after this 1 free month

[vVRedOctoberVv]

Hrmmmm....
http://www.planetside2forum.com/members/906-0RedOctober0

I'm watching you.:lol:

P.S.: Yes I know that's not really you or the real Beta forums.

That's me. It's possible to create a profile on the forums, somebody posted a link or something, I don't remember. Anyway, I ended up being allowed to create a profile, but it doesn't do anything and I can't actually see the forums. But... If I have a profile, and you don't... I guess that still makes me more "in" than you :)

[Bags]

Actually, I think most of the people that have been following the development of PS2 over the last year and a half have a pretty good idea of the timescale we are dealing with here. I remember when we were pretty sure beta would be Q1/Q2 of 2012 at the lastest. Every time I hear a date I think, "Yeah, we'll see about that."

Yeah, that was my guess, hahah.:groovy:

[Raymac]

I can't tell if you are trolling or if you honestly believe that there is no corrolation between active subs and people connected at any given moment.

No, I absolutely believe there is a corrolation. But what is that corrolation? 2 active subscribers to every 1 player currently online? 5:1? 10:1? 2000:1?

We have no idea what number it is. But like I said earlier, Smed knows exactly what that number is, and exactly how many people they will be letting into the first wave of beta, and as of last Wednesday, he said it was impossible to let all the active subscribers in on the first wave. It's really that simple.

[sameer]

Enjoy the Firefall beta till then. Those guys got it right.

[Sephirex]

i really doubt people spend 11€ every month just to get into a beta of a game..

I'm wishing I did. :cry:
All I needed was one month in the last year.

[dafuq]

No, I absolutely believe there is a corrolation. But what is that corrolation? 2 active subscribers to every 1 player currently online? 5:1? 10:1? 2000:1?

We have no idea what number it is. But like I said earlier, Smed knows exactly what that number is, and exactly how many people they will be letting into the first wave of beta, and as of last Wednesday, he said it was impossible to let all the active subscribers in on the first wave. It's really that simple.


no he did not say active subs he said ps1 veterans
u even quoted the post by urself..

that makes a lot of difference

[Raymac]

Enjoy the Firefall beta till then. Those guys got it right.

:lol: You don't remember those forums during closed beta? They were filled with people begging for beta invites or begging the devs on when the open beta would start or crying about how they had been active members and they didn't get an invite but some n00b got in ahead of them. And Red 5 said the same thing the PS2 devs have been saying all along "when it's ready"

So yeah, Red 5 is doing the right thing, just as SOE is.

no he did not say active subs he said ps1 veterans
u even quoted the post by urself..

that makes a lot of difference

He said "Existing PS1 players" not "Former PS1 players" You're right, the wording is important.

[Hamma]

Just thought I'd point out something that needs mentioning regarding calming the masses whom are, over all, being surprisingly calm... that could be a bad sign for SOE actually.

Requests for one to practice a virtue are made weaker when coming from those whom need not practice those same virtues.

In other words, if you're in some exclusive club, turning around and telling people to wait to get into that exclusive club won't have the same effect as someone standing outside beside them, waiting for access and saying those same words.

Fortunately we seem to be dealing with mere embers, but again, I think this could be a sign people are just getting tired of the roller coaster ride.
Me stating what I stated isn't a sign of anything. Me being in beta or not in beta is totally irrelevant to the conversation.

What it is, is me asking this community to take a chill pill and act like adults. Before everyone knows it we will all be happily logged into PlanetSide 2, shooting eachother and streaming it to Twitch.tv and YouTube.

Patience and relaxation is what I am asking for.

well, I PERSONALLY would rather have an OFFICIAL FORUM than a fansite

Yea? That would work out for you much better. The stinkfest on an official forum would be 100,000,000,000 times worse than it is here on an established fansite.

[Minigun]

You aren't getting your promises broken Hamma.

Edit: not even promises, your simply not being fed false information. There is a difference.

[Raymac]

You aren't getting your promises broken Hamma.

Source the "promise" and I'll shut up. Link or direct quote please.

[EisenKreutzer]

You aren't getting your promises broken Hamma.

Edit: not even promises, your simply not being fed false information. There is a difference.

Do you think you could give an example of false information from SOE regarding the PlanetSide 2 beta?

[Sephirex]

It's true. They're all lying to us.
No one who's seen the tech test has come back alive!
Soylent Green. It's people! It's peeeooople!

Seriously though. The constant conspiracy theories are getting old. Game is broken.

They have a full team of monkeys taking up server addresses, who have no idea what they're even playing so they probably won't complain its broken, while they get the whole mess ready for the real players.

We're all sorry you couldn't be part of Team Monkey.

[sameer]

:lol: You don't remember those forums during closed beta? They were filled with people begging for beta invites or begging the devs on when the open beta would start or crying about how they had been active members and they didn't get an invite but some n00b got in ahead of them. And Red 5 said the same thing the PS2 devs have been saying all along "when it's ready"

So yeah, Red 5 is doing the right thing, just as SOE is.



I meant to say what they are doing in beta, not before. The amount of class depth is insane. PS2 class depth is shallow and terrible. I hope they make each class more unique as beta progresses.

[EisenKreutzer]

It's true. They're all lying to us.
No one who's seen the tech test has come back alive!
Soylent Green. It's people! It's peeeooople!

+1 for the reference. :D

[dafuq]

Me stating what I stated isn't a sign of anything. Me being in beta or not in beta is totally irrelevant to the conversation.

What it is, is me asking this community to take a chill pill and act like adults. Before everyone knows it we will all be happily logged into PlanetSide 2, shooting eachother and streaming it to Twitch.tv and YouTube.

Patience and relaxation is what I am asking for.



Yea? That would work out for you much better. The stinkfest on an official forum would be 100,000,000,000 times worse than it is here on an established fansite.

dont you think an OFFICIAL FORUM would not be better for a companys game than a twitter and facebook only varation or a fansite? .. i think it would be. regardless of how good the quality of the moderation is.. its just about showing presence in the public, no?

beware i dont want to downtalk PSU.. i just could not imagin a World of warcraft addon, or Gw2 release without an official forum? know what i mean?

[Raymac]

dont you think an OFFICIAL FORUM would not be better for a companys game than a twitter and facebook only varation or a fansite? .. i think it would be. regardless of how good the quality of the moderation is.. its just about showing presence in the public, no?

beware i dont want to downtalk PSU.. i just could not imagin a World of warcraft addon, or Gw2 release without an official forum? know what i mean?

It's in progress. I'm sure it will be up and running before release.

http://forums.station.sony.com/ps2/forums/list.m

[DirtyBird]

I know my time will come but I think because I had issues getting the free 30days my account will suffer the same fate for beta.
I had to contact support to have the free time applied, as did a number of others that posted here.


My observation from here, it seems the more you post or pimp the game the less chance you are getting in soon.
Your hype and passion is needed outside of the game.
Any publicity is good publicity.

I cannot believe the amount of people I work with that are currently playing (allegedly).
None of them have never posted here or any other public forum, never tweeted or facebook spammed friends.
None of them even read forums like this, most dont even know about this site.
They have expressed none of the excitement that we see here.
Yet, they are in the "tech test" and I am not even sure some filled out the survey judging by the surprised look on their faces when getting the invite and thinking beta had begun.
This includes vets(all non subscribers for at least 8years) and those who acquired beta keys, some of which I gave away to BF3 fanboi's. (should have used them myself!) :(

[Hamma]

dont you think an OFFICIAL FORUM would not be better for a companys game than a twitter and facebook only varation or a fansite? .. i think it would be. regardless of how good the quality of the moderation is.. its just about showing presence in the public, no?
What Raymac said.

[XxAxMayxX]

I agree people are raging a little hard I won't be in the first wave so it doesn't bother me.

Also My new PC is comming in the next 2 weeks so I wouldn't be able to play anyway

[vVRedOctoberVv]

They have a full team of monkeys taking up server addresses, who have no idea what they're even playing so they probably won't complain its broken, while they get the whole mess ready for the real players.

We're all sorry you couldn't be part of Team Monkey.

There's probably more than a little bit of truth to this, ya know

[Littleman]

Me stating what I stated isn't a sign of anything. Me being in beta or not in beta is totally irrelevant to the conversation.

What it is, is me asking this community to take a chill pill and act like adults. Before everyone knows it we will all be happily logged into PlanetSide 2, shooting eachother and streaming it to Twitch.tv and YouTube.

Patience and relaxation is what I am asking for.

I must not be speaking very clearly.

No, it's not you that's indicating a sign of anything, it's the people's over all reaction to the delay I was getting at. A lack of an uproar can be a sign of a lack of passion. Are the people whom show up in the cold, their naked bodies painted in the colors of their football team and drinking beer while dancing and screaming being adults? I'd say no, but they're displaying their love for their team and the sport. It's similar with people being upset, only it's negative emotions. It's still showing their passion. For most of them anyway. Especially the veterans that have an idea of what they're getting into.

For what it's worth, if people are bubbling with angst underneath the surface but putting on the calm facade, you're doing a hell of a job maintaining the community, and everyone else is doing a hell of a job supporting it.

EDIT: And for the record, whether or not you have access to the beta's is, I agree, totally irrelevant. I was merely pointing out that to some people, it is. Don't change your ways, but don't think you have to explain yourself either. Most of us get what you're saying.

[XPquant]

This is why I only lurk, you guy's are rabid.

[Sephirex]

This is why I only lurk, you guy's are rabid.

Get him before he gets away!
Rabble, rabble, rabble! :furious:

[Littleman]

Get him before he gets away!
Rabble, rabble, rabble! :furious:

This is why I only lurk, you guy's are rabid.

*Pincer move!* CHAOS is your mastahhh! Rend him limb from limb!

[vVRedOctoberVv]

@IDNM

A touch over the top, considering most people are not really raging. Actually, you're the first person now that I've noticed just outright swearing and carrying on and such... (shakes finger at you) Play nice

[Papscal]

Ok really. Hamma and other PSU staff MAY be (and probably are in) the tech test. Does this make you butt-hurt that a guy that spends his own money AND time for //10 fucking years// gets to tech test the game? Really? OF COURSE he's going to be in the mother fucking tech test. Are you daft? HE OPERATES the site that the DEVELOPERS give us information ON. Get the fuck off your self absorbed high horse you silly little shits. Me and hamma have had our own falling-outs too but Jesus H Christ, returning to that same old bullshit story "oh well YOU'RE in the tech test and I'm not" is just utterly retarded and completely ascinine. And then you use THAT as an excuse to bash? Stop being autistic, seriously.


As for beta being delayed and all the pissy individuals who have nothing better to do than bitch about how they're mother fucking betrayed because a VIDEO game didn't get released when a TWITTER response said it would, go suck a unwhiped asshole. Really. I'm sick of trying to talk sense into each and every one of you stupid fucks. If you don't get it by now you aren't going to, the game will be in B E T A (THE TESTING PHASE) when it's ready to fucking test. NOT ONE SINGLE MOTHER FUCKING MOMENT BEFORE.

Derp. I raged on idiots... It makes me on their level... I must climb out of this hole.:groovy:

Time for those meds tiger.

[VelvetAlley]

But I am entitled and want bragging rights!

I'd rather play a game that works and isn't buggy than one that is.

[Pyreal]

*claps*

Could have come sooner... *gazes about at the charred remains of the PSU Forums* A lot sooner.
But hey, at least the Taco stand is still up and running! :D

[BlueExorcist]

We all know this tread is to make Hamma look likes hes epic and all but look at the Real picture he probably has multiple twitter accounts that rant and harass the devs for beta release, not to mentions he is propaganda spreading TR scum.

[Hamma]

Uh, no.

[Bittermen]

IMHO it would have been best not to release any info on the date.


But I could really care less. Been playing the shit outta Day Z and Natural Selection 2.

[Littleman]

*claps*

Could have come sooner... *gazes about at the charred remains of the PSU Forums* A lot sooner.
But hey, at least the Taco stand is still up and running! :D

Psh, forget the taco stand.

There's always money in the banana stand :groovy:

[Drakkonan]

If you're all so keen on testing other people's software for free, I've got loads of work for you all to do. Hell, I might even pay you.

[Smeh]

I was wondering when someone was gonna post the thread sucking SOE's ass with everyone following suite lol. I'm pretty sure most people were just venting cuase at the end of the day if your the Prez of a company you dont have room for "maybe" when it comes to your customers, now at the same time everyone knows the same people bitching are still gonna piss themselves the same when they get into beta. We all love the game, lets just not get too carried away on either side weather it's cry babies or ass suckers :)

[ShadoViper]

This "tread" is to make people aware that delays in a *BETA* test are going to happen. When the CEO of SOE gets on twitter and gives you a date, he is just trying to be involved with this community and he really believed at THAT moment it would be the time he said. SHIT happens.

Though MOST of you don't realize this, John Smedley isn't the CEO of Planetside 2. He is the CEO OF SOE. He has Everquest, Bulletrun, DC universe, Pirates of the Burning Sea, the new Wizardry online and several other titles; For him to get on twitter to try to give us information about Planetside 2 is epic... NO OTHER GAME COMPANY CEO would do that. He wasn't wrong in saying that Planetside 2 beta was about to start on Monday, shit just happened. They needed more time.. We are lucky to have this level of interpersonal communication with SOE.

Now I know the majority of the PSU is not bitching, the vets here are mature enough to understand this process without me spelling it out for them, but some of the newcomers joining and making statements, like the one above, it just out of context.

Beta will be released when SOE feels the beta should be released. There may be another delay if they find a problem in the current build of the game that requires them to delay the release. This happens when trying to make a unique game.

Guys, new and old. Lay off of SOE, lay off of Hamma. They are only trying to help us.

Hail To The King, Baby!

[Rasui]

I was wondering when someone was gonna post the thread sucking SOE's ass with everyone following suite lol. I'm pretty sure most people were just venting cuase at the end of the day if your the Prez of a company you dont have room for "maybe" when it comes to your customers, now at the same time everyone knows the same people bitching are still gonna piss themselves the same when they get into beta. We all love the game, lets just not get too carried away on either side weather it's cry babies or ass suckers :)

Yeah, we aren't their customers and Smed doesn't owe us anything. Also, it's not 'ass sucking' to say we're lucky the SoE president bothers to give us twitter updates, It's a fucking fact.

[Bittermen]

All you have to do is read the tweets.


Smed said NO PROMISES. Kthxbai.

[Smeh]

Yeah, we aren't their customers and Smed doesn't owe us anything. Also, it's not 'ass sucking' to say we're lucky the SoE president bothers to give us twitter updates, It's a fucking fact.

So you think this game was created for people whom won't spend money on it? In sales a potential customer is a customer, Also I never said he owed anything nor am I mad about it but it was a bad move to even throw a hint out when it wasn't certain knowing fans would take even a hint as fact...ass sucker:domotwak:

[arclegger]

Releasing an MMO is a massive undertaking, thousands of man hours, personnel from the devs all the way down to the systems and servers, networking, APIs and all sorts of fun stuff.

This shit is complicated give them a break and relax a bit.

http://i.imgur.com/mtig6.png

[Rasui]

http://i.imgur.com/mtig6.png

:lol:

[Top Grunt]

I have to agree it's gotten quite re-dunk-u-less.

We have Waited this long, We can all wait a little bit longer.

Pull together Troopers!

[Kemeros]

Delays happen yes. That's why you don't give a damn date. you say Soon™ and surprise people with a email in their inbox. It's a win win. Look at what happened: You hinted at maybe june... nope, BEFORE august for sure, well don't you look silly now that july is over! Don't give dates unless you are 200% sure to keep them. It's your decision to delay currently. The game is good enough for tech test so that means it's playable. We've seen the streams.

Also, saying we can't get in because of polish is just annoying. I wouldn't register for beta if i didn't want to see the evolution from buggy to polished. I want to participate in the bug hunt. But i guess that just won't happen. By the time they let us in... there won't be much to find.

It's cool though. I still love the devs very much, they are awesome. Smedley however is draining my hype with all his useless tweets that give me false hope. Stop giving dates. Send us a email when your really ready. Tramel and Matt seem to be wiser on that front, they did it once at E3 and then stopped entirely. Smedley keeps doing it.

Chatting us up about this and that on twitter and the forum is awesome though, that i like. Keep it up.

No dates = No delays = No disappointments = Hype staying strong.

[Top Grunt]

P.S. seriously... pull it together.

[Flaropri]

If you're all so keen on testing other people's software for free, I've got loads of work for you all to do. Hell, I might even pay you.

Is your software relevant to my interests? Are preliminary tests to make sure the software works in the first place finished?

If so, than please do go on.

[VelvetAlley]

PS1 vets are used to waiting around. I mean, that's what we do. We fight half the time and the other half we spend waiting 15 minutes for a base to flip.

V-A-G? V-V-B?

[starshine]

thankfully my life isn't centered around video games so I don't mind the delays much. It'll start when it starts and I've learned enough from my 5 years of gaming to not trust any dates provided by a game company. I hope nobody took time off work to play the beta when it was 'announced'.

[Trafalgar]

Enjoy the Firefall beta till then. Those guys got it right.

Are you kidding? I signed up for the Firefall beta in 2010, waited patiently, and still haven't gotten into it. Of course, from what I read fairly recently, they apparently select people based on how much they spam up the Firefall forums, and I was unable to access them until a month or two ago, and haven't posted much of anything as I haven't even seen the game, and aren't really all that thrilled about it (I don't remember anything much about it now as it has been so long).

(In the meantime, World of Tanks went into beta, and then was released to the public)

[Kemeros]

Are you kidding? I signed up for the Firefall beta in 2010, waited patiently, and still haven't gotten into it. Of course, from what I read fairly recently, they apparently select people based on how much they spam up the Firefall forums, and I was unable to access them until a month or two ago, and haven't posted much of anything as I haven't even seen the game, and aren't really all that thrilled about it (I don't remember anything much about it now as it has been so long).

(In the meantime, World of Tanks went into beta, and then was released to the public)

Actually i got in just by registering. It's not bad a game. Has potential.

[Shadowrath]

Hamma is my hero.

[Ghryphen]

This so doesn't help the fight against downys.

Edit: It actually shows some skinny dude doing voice recording professionaly. I take it back, this might actually help fight off downys.

Edit Edit: Wow, that's hamma. Brother they do sell meat at the grocery store. <3

Edit Edit Edit: And I can donate you a wide screen :P

You can donate your time machine to me, I'd be more interested in that than a widescreen.

[Novice bot]

Hamma, if it gets worse.


Drop the hammer...and dispense some indiscriminate justice!

[Shogun]

Hamma, if it gets worse.


Drop the hammer...and dispense some indiscriminate justice!

THIS!
the ban policy of PSU was always very forgiving. maybe it´s really time to change a little bit!

those guys who rant at the devs an a very inpolite manner (especially privates who never wrote any positive things on here) should get ONE warning via pm to stop this behaviour. and after this, unleash the basti on them! or hamma or goku ;)

by the way, what happened to firefly? i haven´t noticed any crusades against stupidity for some time now... he was quite effective against stupid morons. and very entertaining, too. i hope he didn´t give up on this hopeless war?

[Novice bot]

by the way, what happened to firefly? i haven´t noticed any crusades against stupidity for some time now... he was quite effective against stupid morons. and very entertaining, too. i hope he didn´t give up on this hopeless war?

I guess they need to spawn more overlords.

[Bruttal]

What the OP said!

[Dudster]

Remember when they merged markov and emerald. It was supposed to be at like 1pm. Well it finally came up around 11pm...fun times.

[ThermalReaper]

...Nuuuuh! :/

Well it was bound to happen anyways, no idea why I got my hopes up.

Edit: I just reread the other twitter post, instead of tuesday it's monday/ friday. Does this mean next friday there is still a possibility?

[Mox]

Smed likes to announce dates.

Here a classical one:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-01-17-sony-expect-planetside-next-q1-q2:eek:

:lol:

[Marinealver]

Saw the news on TheForceFeed. Well I am checking my yahoo mail on how to download the beta.

[FireWater]

Hamma is so tranquil because he played the Tech test, we not, that's the difference.

Do you honestly believe that?

Being a game designer must be rough, they need a lot of thick skin. Some gamers are so self entitled I wonder why game companies even bother at all.

All of you players crying wont have a single word to say about beta when you ate in it. Why start now? You act like Hamma has all the food and is just giving breadcrumbs to the community because he can.

If that was the case then why run a website?

[CidHighwind]

I guess they need to spawn more overlords.

Need more Pylons!

[docseven]

HOLD the phone, let this man have beta RIGHT now because another man got a haircut. It's his world and we just live in it.

Chillax brotha! It's all gonna be okay... I promise you will play Planetside 2 unless you are in a terrible accident or your computer breaks or something... let SOE get it right before letting us get our hands on it... I'd much rather my first time playing be an amazing memory and not an unplayable drag.

hmm that will not be right either . They already said all 3k " old school " will not get in . But they are throwing beta keys around like it was dinner rolls for homeless kids . So you will be breaking a promise just as they have . I don't mind them rolling the beta out later then sooner . But by all means lets the " old school " folks in before the beta key bitches in . Which also was promised .

[snaffe]

Smed likes to announce dates.

Here a classical one:

http://www.eurogamer.net/articles/2011-01-17-sony-expect-planetside-next-q1-q2:eek:

:lol:

Haha that's pretty chronic

[docseven]

HOLD the phone, let this man have beta RIGHT now because another man got a haircut. It's his world and we just live in it.

Chillax brotha! It's all gonna be okay... I promise you will play Planetside 2 unless you are in a terrible accident or your computer breaks or something... let SOE get it right before letting us get our hands on it... I'd much rather my first time playing be an amazing memory and not an unplayable drag.

Just thought I'd point out something that needs mentioning regarding calming the masses whom are, over all, being surprisingly calm... that could be a bad sign for SOE actually.

Requests for one to practice a virtue are made weaker when coming from those whom need not practice those same virtues.

In other words, if you're in some exclusive club, turning around and telling people to wait to get into that exclusive club won't have the same effect as someone standing outside beside them, waiting for access and saying those same words.

Fortunately we seem to be dealing with mere embers, but again, I think this could be a sign people are just getting tired of the roller coaster ride.

NOTE for the public: I have no proof PSU's staff is in the tech test, but I have no reason to doubt with SOE's continual presence on these boards that they do indeed have access.

EDIT: That all said, the way Smed worded his tweets, sounds more like they want to implement a few features and make sure they're working before they bring us in. I'm thinking they really want our first impression to be a mostly finished game, just possibly needs a little balancing and some more features. Always have my fingers crossed for daily invites when they do kick off the closed beta!
well said ..

[Scotsh]

While i agree almost 100% with the OP, i cant on this:#
This shit is complicated...

No, its not, it really isnt. Software development is what i do for a living (although not for a huge public), so i am not pulling all that out of my ass ;)

If you want to give out a date you just have to do the following:
1. Get estimates from your development team and other experts (for server managment etc).
This is standard and should be done regularly throughout every software development process.
2. Use the result of this estimation internally and internally only.
3. Use a worst case estimation and give out that date to the public (depending on the timeframes involved even add something)
Worst case estimates are often used to determine the internal estimation anyway so it doesnt even cost any additional effort.
4. If you achieved completion someday between the internal estimate and the publicly announced worst case estimate there are several ways to proceed.
In the case of PS2 it would have been very simple. If the announced date is still far away, announce a sooner date, no one will really complain about that. If the date is close anyway they could have extended the playerbase of the tech test (whilst still calling it tech test) and transition smoothly to beta.

Is that so hard?

[snaffe]

While i agree almost 100% with the OP, i cant on this:#


No, its not, it really isnt. Software development is what i do for a living (although not for a huge public), so i am not pulling all that out of my ass ;)

If you want to give out a date you just have to do the following:
1. Get estimates from your development team and other experts (for server managment etc).
This is standard and should be done regularly throughout every software development process.
2. Use the result of this estimation internally and internally only.
3. Use a worst case estimation and give out that date to the public (depending on the timeframes involved even add something)
Worst case estimates are often used to determine the internal estimation anyway so it doesnt even cost any additional effort.
4. If you achieved completion someday between the internal estimate and the publicly announced worst case estimate there are several ways to proceed.
In the case of PS2 it would have been very simple. If the announced date is still far away, announce a sooner date, no one will really complain about that. If the date is close anyway they could have extended the playerbase of the tech test (whilst still calling it tech test) and transition smoothly to beta.

Is that so hard?
I suspect some of the more reasonable people in SOE must cringe every time Smedley tweets. "WHY DID HE JUST SAY THAT".

[docseven]

If you're all so keen on testing other people's software for free, I've got loads of work for you all to do. Hell, I might even pay you. if you pay me i'm there send me links

[Flisher]

My main concern come from the fact the Devz stated over and over that this is a real beta, not a marketting bullshit like many other mmo.

People will face problem and come to whine to everyone and their sister that thing are broken or feature are missing.

I prefer to see that date delayed as long as possible.

[Hamma]

:rofl: @ Clegg :lol:

This so doesn't help the fight against downys.

Edit: It actually shows some skinny dude doing voice recording professionaly. I take it back, this might actually help fight off downys.

Edit Edit: Wow, that's hamma. Brother they do sell meat at the grocery store. <3

Edit Edit Edit: And I can donate you a wide screen :P

This was about 7 or 8 years ago back when I used to do Hamma Time broadcasts on AGN. Here is the source - someone did this way back then and it's still up?

http://hamma.ytmnd.com

[ArcGuard]

While i agree almost 100% with the OP, i cant on this:#


No, its not, it really isnt. Software development is what i do for a living (although not for a huge public), so i am not pulling all that out of my ass ;)

If you want to give out a date you just have to do the following:
1. Get estimates from your development team and other experts (for server managment etc).
This is standard and should be done regularly throughout every software development process.
2. Use the result of this estimation internally and internally only.
3. Use a worst case estimation and give out that date to the public (depending on the timeframes involved even add something)
Worst case estimates are often used to determine the internal estimation anyway so it doesnt even cost any additional effort.
4. If you achieved completion someday between the internal estimate and the publicly announced worst case estimate there are several ways to proceed.
In the case of PS2 it would have been very simple. If the announced date is still far away, announce a sooner date, no one will really complain about that. If the date is close anyway they could have extended the playerbase of the tech test (whilst still calling it tech test) and transition smoothly to beta.

Is that so hard?

Software development and game development are nowhere near the same thing.

As for your credibility as an expert: what kind of "software" do you develop? Because if it is apps for the iphone, that really doesn't count at all. Do you have any experience with game development and all the setbacks that can potentially happen? Have you ever done any server maintenance on extremely high traffic servers? Have you ever made or modified any code pertaining to web based traffic?

Until you have experience in the field, you don't really understand what they're dealing with. You know better than some, sure. You probably have more accurate expectations, yes. But you still don't really understand.

[Manitou]

Oh man, clegg, that one had me rolling. :rofl:

[Sentrosi]

Those beta keys being given out via Twitter are for access after the vets get in. Not before.
Stop getting your g-strings crammed up your exit hole.

Edit:
Clegg - masterful stroke of genius there.

[Shogun]

i never worked in software developement, but i was in a lot of closed betas. and i know that it really is complicated!

in games, especially in mmos, a small change can pull off a giant rats tail of unforseen concequences and new bugs.
from the outside it looks as if it´s just a minor thing and shouldn´t be hard to fix, but it can mess up other - sometimes totally unrelated - systems and sometimes make the whole game unplayable.

something that could have happened:
the max animations were broken (we saw that in the tech test footage), they just wanted to enter the real animations for beta start, and get rid of the placeholders.
and boom it broke the max selection in the terminals or the killcam crashes to desktop whenever a max kills you or whatever.
nobody thought it would happen, but things like that do happen all the time.

and with a community as passionate as this one, i would rather delay the beta start, than having to cope with angry mobs of testers who crash to desktop all the time!
yes, this will happen anyway at some point in the beta, but if i could squish a known major bug or exploit before everybody sees it, i would.

or maybe they found out how the aimbot worked who streamed his shit on twitch and want to fill the hole before they gather any balancing data

[Scotsh]

Medical applications, as i said, nothing for an expecting public.
But still projects that depend on numerous people and very much on hardware (tho not servers, but imaging systems like CT-scanners)

Concerning stuff involving internet traffic, there still are methods to estimate these kinds of things. Especially if you involve experts in this field with the estimations (which should always be done). Also this aspect isnt really new for them, as they are dealing with MMOs for over a decade.

Considering that the scope of the announced date is very small it couldnt have been a worst case estimation.
They said "beta will start right after tech test". Tech test is now running for what? 2 weeks? Now this is an estimate from me, but 2 weeks seems very good and not like they experienced any problems. So following the plan provided in my former posting, Smedley should have set monday ot thuesday internally and announced a date in mid-august publicly.
I guess the problem was that he had already promised beta before august, which was a mistake in the first place.

[docseven]

Those beta keys being given out via Twitter are for access after the vets get in. Not before.
Stop getting your g-strings crammed up your exit hole.

Edit:
Clegg - masterful stroke of genius there.
hmm no 1 guy in our outfit that just subed to ps1 got in due to a beta key that was given to him.But i'm pretty sure it was his stats that he posted for his computer . So no people that have been given beta keys have gotten into " tech test " . So i will take my g-string crammed up my exit hole shove it further up .

[ArcGuard]

Medical applications, as i said, nothing for an expecting public.
But still projects that depend on numerous people and very much on hardware (tho not servers, but imaging systems like CT-scanners)

Concerning stuff involving internet traffic, there still are methods to estimate these kinds of things. Especially if you involve experts in this field with the estimations (which should always be done). Also this aspect isnt really new for them, as they are dealing with MMOs for over a decade.

Considering that the scope of the announced date is very small it couldnt have been a worst case estimation.
They said "beta will start right after tech test". Tech test is now running for what? 2 weeks? Now this is an estimate from me, but 2 weeks seems very good and not like they experienced any problems. So following the plan provided in my former posting, Smedley should have set monday ot thuesday internally and announced a date in mid-august publicly.
I guess the problem was that he had already promised beta before august, which was a mistake in the first place.

But there is a huge difference in what can go wrong with things you didn't even know existed in game development. And you also have to keep your fans happy. With your position, you don't have hundreds of thousands of rabid people ready to lynch you if you make one wrong step.

It's a very high pressure situation, so you have to give viable dates, but be flexible in them. And they never promised beta by the end of July, they said that was their target. Promises and giving estimates is not the same. That why they were so hesitant to say anything in the first place, because people would go "YOU PROMISED ME!!1!1!"



Edit:

hmm no 1 guy in our outfit that just subed to ps1 got in due to a beta key that was given to him.But i'm pretty sure it was his stats that he posted for his computer . So no people that have been given beta keys have gotten into " tech test " . So i will take my g-string crammed up my exit hole shove it further up .
Tech Test invites are independent of Vet status, and are ONLY determined by computer specs. Which has been stated. It's a tech test, about servers, hardware, and other software issues, not about testing gameplay.

[Kipper]

Personally I'm passing the time by wondering when I'll have the cash together for the needed PC upgrade, and watching random Olympic sports that I've never given a rats testicle about before, and won't in approximately 2 weeks time - but right now, I'm a big fan of.....

[Atticus]

I guess I shouldn't have been suprised by all the rage generated, just cause some people can't test a buggy game for another week. I can see some people being bummed, because I'm sure everyone is just as excited, if not more, than I am to play it. I still can't believe some people would go as far as actually insulting the Dev team, when they have been as open to the community as they can be. Especially considering that only a small percentage of these people probably would have been in the first wave to get access.

Getting the popcorn ready for all the fun threads that will be started when Priority keys start getting in before vet's though!

[Idunno]

Vader Dances to Hammer You Can***39;t Touch This Dance: Star Wars weekends 2009 Disney - YouTube

Thanks for the site hamma! You the man!

[Raymac]

Another thing, considering there are about 100,000 PS1 vets, I personally think there is a good chance that the Priorty Access keys will start to trickle in before ALL of the PS1 vets are in. I could be wrong, but I sincerely hope I'm already in the beta by that point, because if people are crying about "broken promises" now...I can only imagine.

[Atticus]

Another thing, considering there are about 100,000 PS1 vets, I personally think there is a good chance that the Priorty Access keys will start to trickle in before ALL of the PS1 vets are in. I could be wrong, but I sincerely hope I'm already in the beta by that point, because if people are crying about "broken promises" now...I can only imagine.

+1

No where have I seen them specifically say " ALL PS1 VETS WILL GET IN BEFORE ANYONE ELSE".

As per Smeds post in this forum " However current subs are in the front of the line for that. In addition we have Priority beta keys given out hey will be let in in the early phases as well. For people that ask me "I played from 2005-2007 am I in soon?" the answer is you will be in an early phase"

He specifcally states that both will be in the early phases, but he doesn't say one will be in before the other.

I wouldn't be suprised to see the first couple waves, after active subs, to be weighted draws. Maybe more vets than priority keys, but the early wave WILL include both.

[laelgon]

The fact that they haven't moved passed the tech test means that it isn't ready to move on to the closed beta. I'm sure if there wasn't an NDA people who were part of the tech test would say that it wasn't ready for a wider audience. It's not like the development team is enjoying telling people that the beta will be ready by a specific date and then having to delay past that.

[Crator]

+1

No where have I seen them specifically say " ALL PS1 VETS WILL GET IN BEFORE ANYONE ELSE".

As per Smeds post in this forum " However current subs are in the front of the line for that. In addition we have Priority beta keys given out hey will be let in in the early phases as well. For people that ask me "I played from 2005-2007 am I in soon?" the answer is you will be in an early phase"

He specifcally states that both will be in the early phases, but he doesn't say one will be in before the other.

I wouldn't be suprised to see the first couple waves, after active subs, to be weighted draws. Maybe more vets than priority keys, but the early wave WILL include both.

Um yeah he does....

As per Smeds post in this forum " However current subs are in the front of the line for that. In addition we have Priority beta keys given out hey will be let in in the early phases as well. For people that ask me "I played from 2005-2007 am I in soon?" the answer is you will be in an early phase"

[Atticus]

Um yeah he does....

As per Smeds post in this forum " However current subs are in the front of the line for that. In addition we have Priority beta keys given out hey will be let in in the early phases as well. For people that ask me "I played from 2005-2007 am I in soon?" the answer is you will be in an early phase"

Yes, he says current subs, NOT all PS1 vets.

He clearly says PS1 vets and Priority keys will both be in early phases, not one before the other (except of course active subs).

[Sephirex]

Smedley defined vets as being in before priority keys here.

http://twitter.com/j_smedley/status/228236911477653504

Although there's nothing directly disproving the weighted invite theory, there's no evidence for it either. I wouldn't hold your breath.

[Crator]

Thanks Sephirex... I was looking for that and just found it but you got it 1st ;)

[Sephirex]

Add station pass subscribers to the very front of that list. They always take care of those guys first.

Station pass subscribers don't count unless they logged directly into Planetside, fortunately.

[Eyeklops]

TBH, I am happy with the delay. I just finished building my new rig last night and need time for overclocking, stability testing, and general tweaking.

[wasdie]

The last few days have reaffirmed my views that PC gamers are a very entitled group of gamers.

[Jennyboo]

Vader Dances to Hammer You Can't Touch This Dance: Star Wars weekends 2009 Disney - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIRQf0S3oD0)

Thanks for the site hamma! You the man!

:rofl: Epic!

[Bittermen]

The last few days have reaffirmed my views that PC gamers are a very entitled group of gamers.

Sigh...


Yep. Still not as bad as the console crowd though...

[Sephirex]

Board games are the way to go.

[BlueExorcist]

Uh, no.

Just a joke, except for the TR hatred part, that everyone can agree on.

[Littleman]

Sigh...


Yep. Still not as bad as the console crowd though...

Sometimes I wonder.

Additionally, I'll never get why people think it's cool that the beta is delayed because their new PC isn't in. I mean, beta won't be going anywhere once it does start. Right? RIGHT!?

[Tikuto]

/cabbagepatch for Hamma.

[OmgNameDoesNotF]

That made my head hurt! LOL Anyway, I am amazed when I see both kids and middle aged guys like me rage at Devs and Admins like children. Happens in every game forum. Suspended accounts is the only deterrent or they will keep coming back with the same rage.

[Electrofreak]

:rofl: @ Clegg :lol:



This was about 7 or 8 years ago back when I used to do Hamma Time broadcasts on AGN. Here is the source - someone did this way back then and it's still up?

http://hamma.ytmnd.com

I was there, and I still have that URL bookmarked. :D

That one was done by either BioHazzard or Fragmatic. They both made one but I don't remember which is which. Here's the other:

http://hammadance.ytmnd.com/

I miss those Hamma Time broadcasts. We all got drunk on IRC while Hamma got drunk on camera and we encouraged him to do stupid stuff and drink more.

:cheers:

[Hamma]

:lol:

[Peacemaker]

Thaaaat pretty much all ended when he got hitched -.-

[Wandering Mania]

I agree 100% it dose take time I know from being a "code raker". Yes I can look at and read code but it dose not mean I can write code. But I can immagine the amount of time it it takes to write so it works as intended. Here is an idea for those so board to get "hot" under the coller at others. Go play another game to take your mind off Planetside 2 untill the beta dose start. I am not saying forget about it compleatly, just do somthing eltce for the time being. You know what thay say, "Idle hands are the devil's playground.".

[Sentrosi]

Vader Dances to Hammer You Can't Touch This Dance: Star Wars weekends 2009 Disney - YouTube (http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vIRQf0S3oD0)

Thanks for the site hamma! You the man!

In all my life.
In all of my journeys.
In all of my combined experience in this planet.

There will never be anything more epic than that. My life has become richer for those 45 seconds.

Thank you.

[icepick]

Honestly when smed said Mon or Tuesday I sent a reply tweet to the effect of "So Friday then?" :) People should be expecting delays at this point. It's not just an mmo, it's an mmo with crazy fps physics and stuff. Complicated is a fairly gross understatement.

[dylan]

I think the wait will be worth it