Planet Quake-side

[MrVicchio]

In my hounding of the official forums, there seems to be much talk about the Quake style of play in PS.


If this is truly the playstyle, Quake run'n'gun'n'jump I will be...
Dissappointed. I dislike Quake style, I prefer more tactical gameplay to Quake run'n'gun'n'jump....

Thoughts?

[Crimson Haven]

*EHEM*Cone-*UHUK*of-*AHAK*fire....

will be a problem to those who do the Quake dance

[Sputty]

I agree with you Mr. V. For some reason, they constantly compare it to Quake, yet, I don't think it looks anyhting like Quake. BTW, I will be dissapointed aswell if it is Quake-like

[mikkyT]

MrV, you might be up President Bushes ass, but you are not dumb you are an intelligent individual commanding muchos respect even if you are wrong :D

Those in the official forum however, by enlarge, are the opposite!

[Squeeky]

I have a strong belief it wont be "quake" style game-play ;)

[Purge]

I hope not :P Bunny hoppers suck!

[Hamma]

I honestly dont know where people get these comparisons from. Its anything but quake.

[ParadoxSix]

I hope not :P Bunny hoppers suck!

I don't think bunny hopping will be possible due to the fact that you run out of stamina very quickly when jumping. Most of the official forum posters have no idea what they're talking about, PS movement doesn't seem anything like Quake to me.

[Da King]

:stupid:

[Streamline]

Yeah, and thoughs Quake **** are screwed. Just let 'em think whatever they wanna think.When the game is released. Own they asses. :groovy:

[mr_luc]

Hamma broke the NDA!

Ima tell. /me runs off to tattle.

[Madfish]

You heard it here first! Information straight from the BETA!!! PS IS NOT QUAKE!

Damn it. So does that mean my 130 fps won't give me any advantage over people who can't afford good vid cards? Bugger.

Most of the discussions are bonkers over on the OF's anyway; all those people who've just found planetside, who can't read a faq all in one room at once?? crickey.

[mikkyT]

crikey

LMAO.

Tea anyone?

<- A Brit too.

Hey Madfish, your not the fish of WPTFC fame are you?

[mr_luc]

Originally posted by mikkyT
Those in the official forum however, by enlarge, are the opposite!

BY ENLARGE?!?!?!?

[cell.nerve]

nothing like quake - no bunny hopping, but the battles are pretty fast paced and do take alot of aim and skill to kill. So thats the only real aspect of Q3 in the game. You can't run around spamming MG like a newbie and be good, ask hamma, PS = puts the skill into MMORPG's. If your coming from everquest or something, and aren't a FPS player, and don't have any skill, your going to get romped in fights. if your an FPS player, without any RPG background, yor going to be useful in fights, but not as useful in a strategical strike, because you aren't used to doing anything but running/jumping/killing. This is of course if you are coming from a game like quake3/ut. If your a BF1942/WW2 online/T1/T2 player, you should be fine. Also , if you play everquest o asherons call o whatever along with Q3/UT, you'll be alright :) hope this post helped

[Purge]

Well I was just saying I hate bunny hoppers, not that there would be any in PS :P

[cell.nerve]

"Damn it. So does that mean my 130 fps won't give me any advantage over people who can't afford good vid cards? Bugger.
"
you won't get 130 fps solid in PS unless ur indoors and the engine isnt setup so u can have rounding errors and jump higher/strafe faster. and its 125 fps that gives you the rounding errors, not 130

"Yeah, and thoughs Quake **** are screwed. Just let 'em think whatever they wanna think.When the game is released. Own they asses. "

It's us "quake ****" and "CS ****" will have the best advantage in the game if we have a RPG background because we have the most FPS skill out of any other gaming community - so i doubt us '****' will get owned by you Mr. Everquest

[Subliminal]

Im a ut2003 fiend so ive gotten pretty decent at aiming especially with the rocket launcher and lightning gun. Im also really deadly with the flak cannon so i should be alright with the jackhammer.

[mr_luc]

Actually, us Tribes **** are going to own everybody. ;)

Ever seen the Tribes 1 'Best of the Best 2' video? You can pull of shots in Tribes that aren't even an option in other games, because in other games you are never 200 meters apart, both travelling 100 meters per second at right angles to each other and plummetting towards the ground. The ceiling for 'uber-leet' is just SO much higher in Tribes than in other games, where it levels off pretty quickly.

I think that you are going to see a lot of Tribers on the cutting edge of fast team-based action. You're going to have a lot of Tribers working together for things like high-speed 'skysurfing' drops and the like.

I'm sure that CSers and UTers and Quakers (haha Quakers) are going to fill up most of the PS scene just because there are more of them -- but watch out for the Tribers. :D Tribes had the most innovative gameplay of any multiplayer FPS out there, and in a game with as many possibilities as planetside, innovation will be key.

[Kyonye]

PS will contain quake style play but it will also have strategical movements in it. strategy is the key to victory in PS.

[LLMerc]

You mean us Everquest players won't have an edge? There is no auto attack in PS? WTF? /disc def What do you say to that???

Bear in mind, that even the EQ players play FPS games =) With 10 hour long raids with downtime as long as 30 minutes between setups, and most of us having multiple high performance machines for multi accounts, quite a few of us have gotten very good at FPS games =) Granted, we are not as good as the hardcore FPSers, but we can compete. Granted, I'm talking about the players at the very top of EQ, who have invested insane amounts of hours into the game.

Anyways, I guess my point is, don't discount EQ players because chances are, with all the down time in that game, they have picked up quite a bit of FPS skills along the way.

[Warborn]

The combat is nothing like Quake.

[Seer]

Strategical, Kyonye? :D

[�io]

Originally posted by Warborn
The combat is nothing like Quake.

:stupid:

Quake was a jump and rocket boring as hell style of gameplay, PS seems much more like the normal FPS, Tribes, BF, etc.

[FraBaktos]

You guys are all insulting quake, but it was an amazing game for its time. you could actually look with the mouse and have no auto aim, you could strafe, it had amazing graphics for its time, and you could actually play it multiplayer. I was revolutionary. If games like that were never made, planetside could have never been made.

[cell.nerve]

"Quake was a jump and rocket boring as hell style of gameplay"

i think your just saying that because
1) You sucked at it
2) Jealous it's the 2nd most popular FPS game played in the world
3) You play everquest.

:P - and yes it is like a tribes thing. I also Agree with

"Actually, us Tribes **** are going to own everybody."

Because they have the most experience with the situations of large scale team based gaming, sorry i didnt mention it early but i was in class and very tired. and..

"PS will contain quake style play but it will also have strategical movements in it. strategy is the key to victory in PS."

Dont say anything unless you are a beta tester or didn't bother to read my earlier post. ;)

[cell.nerve]

"Ever seen the Tribes 1 'Best of the Best 2' video?"

No - But i would like a link to it if you have one, always enjoyed a good gaming vid

[Euroclydon]

People who play regular FPS games shouldn't have a problem competing with Tribes people, as long as they have a good commander and follow orders.

Well, in theory anyway.

[mr_luc]

Dude dude dude.

Ok, just saw that response, I'll email you and I can arrange to direct connect it to you. If you aren't attracted to Tribes 1, you will almost have to be after that video . . . I *think* there was one BotB vid, maybe the first one, hosted at Tribalwar under their junk section, lemme check.

Everyone should see that video just so they know what kinds of mad skill you can achieve in Tribes 1 . . . even people that aren't that good at Tribes can recognize the insane skill needed, I mean, take a look at the flag passes in that movie . . . will make your jaw drop.

Edit: just checked, there aren't any BotB movies at TW, but I will still email you and we can arrange it.

[mr_luc]

Originally posted by Euroclydon
People who play regular FPS games shouldn't have a problem competing with Tribes people, as long as they have a good commander and follow orders.

Well, in theory anyway.

I definitely agree with that. Although I think that on the macro level, if the ATF or similar organization of ex-Tribes outfits all works together at any kind of level, they will definitely be the dominant realm.

[cell.nerve]

Just msg me on aim or email or whatever :P

[Madfish]

I'm personally convinced my AD&D experience will allow me to significantly own everyone, bar none.

Especially with my +10 "Vanu Bighter" two handed sword. :D

[Arshune]

Why don't people like run-n-gun games? If they're done well, they're a lot of fun. More like playing a game and less immersive, that's the way I like it.

I'll admit BF1942 was probably my favorite FPS so far, but still...don't bash decent games. :D

[Marlboro Man!!]

i absolutely hate quake yet love half life. go figure lol. but i believe that it wont be anything near quake style play. :love:

edit:although this game would be ruined by b-hoppin. i do admire and have no qualms that can and do b-hop

[Flameseeker]

May god have mercy on us all if that is a beta tester. :(

[ascetic]

I have seen several posts on here that apply to the public servers of Quake 3. Public servers are usually composed of novice gamers, and you will see a scattering of skilled players in those. To get a true feel of skill in the Quake community, it's almost crucial to participate on teams and in matches.

I played quake for a little over two years, and I totally disagree with a lot of the comments that have been made. Yes, a lot of people will spam rockets, but as said before, these are the novice players. In a match between two skilled teams, you will see lots of prediction skill, lots of aiming skill.

Our outfit consists of mostly Quake players, several that have placed highly in LAN tournaments and others that are part of respected teams. From what I have heard from my bros in Project: Cell (http://www.project-cell.com), the beta has been a breeze-by.

Therefore, I think the comment:

Yeah, and thoughs Quake **** are screwed. Just let 'em think whatever they wanna think.When the game is released. Own they asses.

... is rather funny

Anyways, good luck to everyone on the battlefield.. doesn't really matter what game it's like, it matter who wins :)

[colinisinhere]

Originally posted by Madfish
Damn it. So does that mean my 130 fps won't give me any advantage over people who can't afford good vid cards? Bugger.


Im just wondering, whats your system? what card yah have? im looking into buying one for my 2gig 512 DDR

whats your full system and what card do you have?

as for ps and quake, i hate the way quake is, you strafe really fast and you jump really high and you aim perfectly the whole time you are running way unreallisticly, that reminds me, I hope it isnt like Unreal too :(

[ascetic]

Ya, Quake didn't have much of a realistic side at all. It was really fun because it was a major adrenaline game. However, I'd like to see a more strategic game in PlanetSide.

Just about every game gives its players a certain aspect of skill. Counter-Strike players may have some advantages in covert operations, Quakers advantages in messy offensive missions. If everyone came from one game, I'm sure PlanetSide would be much more one-sided in the way it was played. With the excitement of players in MANY different gaming environments, PlanetSide is almost guaranteed to be the best game of its generation. In my mind, it will last for years to come.

p.s. - I don't see Everquest players doing a whole lot unless they played FPS games as well. Just because the game has the massive-multiplayer quality doesn't mean Everquest players have any advantages. :)

[Hellsfire123]

Lol i love this. People telling each other who will be better because of previous games. Ill bet on almost any odds that none of you have played PS, and therefore, have no idea what your talking about. The way i see it, PS will be like any other game. You get in with skills from anything else, adapt to new systems, and slowly get better. Saying "i come from tribes so i have an advantage over CS players" is complete bullshit becuase you have no idea how the game will play out in the end. Play any FPS you can to work on twitch skills, it doesnt matter which game. BTW i have played everything from Doom, to unreal, to unreal tournament (and 2k3), to halflife (almost every internet mod), quake, SOF, RB6, and almost any other FPS. Each takes practice to get good with.

[Destroyeron]

Quake-squake, Planetside is gonna own

[Tolvy]

My old quake style:

asdwasdwasdwasdwasdwasdwas. I would just press those as fast as I could while shooting :) I couldn't be beat.

Too bad I won't be able to show off my "asdw" skills in PS.

[�io]

Originally posted by {BT}Tolvy
My old quake style:

asdwasdwasdwasdwasdwasdwas. I would just press those as fast as I could while shooting :) I couldn't be beat.

Too bad I won't be able to show off my "asdw" skills in PS.

:rofl:

[cell.nerve]

"Ill bet on almost any odds that none of you have played PS, and therefore, have no idea what your talking about"

Wow your a quick one, im a beta tester BTW so i know what the game feels like and what it is - do a little research before u blab plz.

"BTW i have played everything from Doom, to unreal, to unreal tournament (and 2k3), to halflife (almost every internet mod), quake, SOF, RB6, and almost any other FPS. Each takes practice to get good with."

Stongly Agreed

[mr_luc]

That's great, and not to disparage Quake (or Quake 2, or Quake 3). There is an immense amount of skill involved at the high end of competitive gaming, sure.

But the kind of teamwork needed in Tribes (and perhaps BF1942 now) is really unparalleled in the Quake series. In those games, being really good was enough -- and you could transfer between games pretty easily, and within a week or less a Q3 ace can become a RtCW or SOF2 ace.

But. It would probably take that same player several months of fairly intensive study (SERIOUS study and practice) to get anywhere near competition-level in Tribes. Tribes has such an incredibly HIGH high end. A predictive shot in Q3 can only be so good, because the distances involved can only be so long, the velocities of the players can only be so great (important), and the mutual angles of travel can only be so awkward and disparate. Tribes is pretty much unlimited in all of those aspects. This is because, even with the limited predictive shots you get in Q3, it's still mostly whack-a-rat 3D. It's about phenomenal accuracy and clicking the right pixels at the right time. Now, POSITIONING is also important at the high end, and timing -- but movement, and velocity, are not an integral part of the game (unless you count bouncers, which are limited by being in a fixed location, and are often a death trap because they leave you hanging).

In Tribes, aside from the laser rifle, every single shot is a predictive shot.

So, Tribes is an extremely flexible, extremely deep game. In a game that is SO flexible, SO deep, and that has integrated velocity and MOMENTUM so deeply into the ordinary run-and-gun model, how do you get consistently good AS A TEAM?

You practice. And practice. And practice. And you aren't all just practicing individual skills (with, in the higher levels, a bit of team timing thrown in). You're practicing tactics, integrated tightly into every decision you make; you have to learn what works and what doesn't until you can FEEL the correct decisions.

It is because of the highly organized TEAM aspect of Tribes (with different people taking different roles, working together as a squad, kicking ass individually in a method optimized for the Greater Good of the team) that Tribes players will likely be able to adapt so quickly.

Again, it takes a lot of skill to be competitive in Q3. But the curve is very short. In Tribes, the learning curve almost never ends -- I don't know of many players (maybe a few from IE, heh) that have totally mastered it. In a wide-open game like PS, I expect this ability to master new things will allow the Tribes players to be a force to be reckoned with.

[BUGGER]

Originally posted by Madfish
Damn it. So does that mean my 130 fps won't give me any advantage over people who can't afford good vid cards? Bugger.

YOU SAID MY NAME IN VAIN!!!!!!!!

....kool....

[sYn pHrEAk]

Originally posted by Hamma
I honestly dont know where people get these comparisons from. Its anything but quake.

:( :( :( :( :( :(

[Guardian AngeL]

i love quake though! .....old lan parties...... bunny hopping....... mmmm good times

[Jakal]

the whole cone of fire thing sounds like cs to me. in cs ur aim is horrible while runnig and jumping. to get any hits at all you have to stop or crouch. the only differences i see are that i ve heard it mihgt take awhile to kill someone. i guess armor is kind of strong. and the inclusion of vehicles. i have to agree with hellsfire though that we cant really tell until open beta starts.


:wantbeta: