Hate tells and you in PS2.

[Piper]

Not having been able to find a definitive answer yet if /tells to enemy empire factions will be in PS2 we can play around with the idea a bit in a thread I feel.

Firstly, to those that didn't play PS1, in it you could /tell any player, there was an /ignore feature but no /anon. Besides, putting ordinance down kinda announces you're about anyway. :p Now you maybe thinking all this lead to was empire spying, and there was some of that, but what it mostly lead to was the hate tell. Which evoked various responses in people, some liked having it in game, others didn't.

I, personally, never sent them but did sometimes delight in getting them (never got that many being an average FPSer, but Suppressors/Radiating BFR pilots could annoy people nicely) and occasionally further winding up the person who sent it. On Werner we had a particularly infamous player for them by the name of "Cupid" we all liked to imagine them with high blood pressure and popping veins in their neck.

The spying aspect of them in PS2 will be rather pointless anyway, should they make it in, with the apparent ease of "fourth-empiring" via second/third accounts.

So er....few questions. If you're an old PS1'er. Did you send 'em? Did it bother you when you got 'em?

If you're not an old PS1'er. How would you feel about them being in game in PS2? Would you send 'em? Would it bother you to get 'em?

[Coreldan]

Didn't do it in PS1 or any other game. It's childish and naive.

[Marinealver]

/ignore works great.

[Firearms]

It's one of the best parts of EVE....

[therandomone]

Not having been able to find a definitive answer yet if /tells to enemy empire factions will be in PS2 we can play around with the idea a bit in a thread I feel.

Firstly, to those that didn't play PS1, in it you could /tell any player, there was an /ignore feature but no /anon. Besides, putting ordinance down kinda announces you're about anyway. :p Now you maybe thinking all this lead to was empire spying, and there was some of that, but what it mostly lead to was the hate tell. Which evoked various responses in people, some liked having it in game, others didn't.

I, personally, never sent them but did sometimes delight in getting them (never got that many being an average FPSer, but Suppressors/Radiating BFR pilots could annoy people nicely) and occasionally further winding up the person who sent it. On Werner we had a particularly infamous player for them by the name of "Cupid" we all liked to imagine them with high blood pressure and popping veins in their neck.

The spying aspect of them in PS2 will be rather pointless anyway, should they make it in, with the apparent ease of "fourth-empiring" via second/third accounts.

So er....few questions. If you're an old PS1'er. Did you send 'em? Did it bother you when you got 'em?

If you're not an old PS1'er. How would you feel about them being in game in PS2? Would you send 'em? Would it bother you to get 'em?
I'm not a PS1'er but I love those type of messages. Back when I played COD I would get hate messages a lot on Xbox live (not to toot my own horn), and I loved every single one of them. But I see /tells and other such messages not as just a hate thing, but to build friendly rivalries as well. Hell, whenever I play a game and my enemy does something that I think is fucking fantastic (even if it kills me), I'll congratulate them on it. For instance, I remember one match I was playing in COD and this kid pops me with a throwing knife from halfway across Dome. What did I do? I called him a bastard and congratulated him on the kill. Next round, I hunted him down with a throwing knife of my own and so began a friendly rivalry. So if someone gets a /tell from me it generally won't be out of hate (depends on if I drunkenly play PS2 :) )but more out of respect.
I mean, I have similar stories in almost every game I've played, that one was just readily available.

[Boomhowser]

Never sent a hate tell, only sent tells complimenting an enemy on thier skill/sneakyness etc etc

Recieved a fare few hate tells and always blanked the message.. no point aggrevating a situation makes for a bad gaming experiance and at the end of the day we are all playing for fun.

[Piper]

Couple of things I forgot.

Hate tells were not always hatey (no such word). Sometimes they were actually good natured sportsmanship like tells. Which could lead to a positive outcome. :)

Secondly, again, with the apparent ease of setting up more accounts, should they block /tell between empires those really wishing to send one could always just switch accounts and find you with an empire mate character before the /ignore lands. So blocking them could be moot anyway.

[therandomone]

Couple of things I forgot.

Hate tells were not always hatey (no such word). Sometimes they were actually good natured sportsmanship like tells. Which could lead to a positive outcome. :)

Secondly, again, with the apparent ease of setting up more accounts, should they block /tell between empires those really wishing to send one could always just switch accounts and find you with an empire mate character before the /ignore lands. So blocking them could be moot anyway.

I say they should allow for the personal/individual option to turn off cross faction chat(ya know, /tells from the other factions) if you'd like. That way if you don't want to receive any you dont have to, and if you do, you're more than able to.

[exLupo]

It's one of the best parts of EVE....

Seriously. Harvesting tears is a profession. If people take time to send you smack know that, not only have you beaten them in game, irl you have broken their spirits.

Some folks get off on collecting those sorta things. Me? I feel bad for the person taking it so seriously. It's just a game, yo. Don't stress.

I agree with therandomone, I think. I'd like the option for cross-team chat to be an option but, imo, off by default so the more fragile minded players who don't know where the button is aren't harassed by some pendejo's whole outfit just for having a good run.

In EVE, everyone who straps on a gun knows (or learns right quick) that tears are precious cargo that only your bullets can find but in other games the mindset is not the same. I've seen enough players run off of games because their communities are total toilets and I'd like PS2 to not be one of them.

[BlueSkies]

How about an automatic voice channel established with whoever killed you so you can just scream and rage at them? :)

[Firearms]

Certainly make it switchable for the fragile types.
I'm not a philosopher like most of the people on here but I do play PVP games for human interaction and calling the baddies childish names is part of that. Much rather call the other side wtfomgn00b or lux0r rather than my own team...
Since my PC was connected to the net I've not played single player...

[Elahhez]

I didn't get many hate tells in the original, and i never sent any, Wasn't a problem to me.

If they were also possible in ps2, I still wouldn't use em, and still wouldn't be bothered one way or another.

In the words of the neutrals: All i know is my guts says maybe

-Ela

[Shogun]

i loved getting hate tells!

and i had a lot of fun, winding the senders up and forcing them to explode their boiling head ;)

but i sent only a few myself in all my ps1 years.
mostly i sent respect tells, when i was killed in a very skillful or creative way.
only very obvious cheaters with moving corpses and the like got some real hate tells from me ;)

so i want this feature in the game! there simply is no reason to forbit interempire tells.
like the OP said, there are more than enough easy ways to spy, so it wouldn´t make any difference. (2nd free account, spy/map-apps, etc.)

[Damianamaru]

Removing cross faction communication in PS2 would take a lot away from the community aspect of PS. What makes PS great is the ability for players to build a rep....whether that rep is built from your personality, your skills, or both, it's what makes combat interesting with enemies you KNOW.

[Firearms]

it's what makes combat interesting with enemies you KNOW.

QFT - Possibly a new thread but are there player profiles in PS2 with a moddable Bio?
Again, EVE is good for popping some role play in the Bio, or something witty/childish....but you get to know ppl.....

[opticalshadow]

honestly i hardly ever read my chat box in most of ps1..

[Death2All]

Upon seeing this thread I was inspired to go through all of my Xfire screen shots and make a collage of all the hate tells I've accumulated over the years

http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk58/OoZachoO_bucket/HATETELLS.jpg

Please include cross empire chat. I would deeply saddened if people could no longer voice their anger against me when I slay them in game. Please, please, please include cross empire communication.

[Azren]

Hate tells are fun :)

They also build empire loyality.

[ArmedZealot]

They are delicious.

[Kur]

In my brief time there, I received and sent a number of angry tells, a lot of it was banter sometimes it was serious but it was a good way to release pressure.

[Coreldan]

I don't get why someones anger or grief gives enjoyment to some people? I mean, that can't be healthy from a psychological standpoint.

[razor851]

Hate and hacker tells is the only reason to play online video games. There is no better feeling than being called a hacker when you play legitimately. It is the ultimate compliment.

[Firearms]

I don't get why someones anger or grief gives enjoyment to some people? I mean, that can't be healthy from a psychological standpoint.

I don't know why either, but it does. Reading chat as some guy whines because you stole their gear is just fun.
Watching a guy rage as he steps round the same corner over, and over, and over.....fun.

Psychologically I have no idea....I laugh when somebody falls over, I generally help if they start to bleed out tho.....

[Pyreal]

Certainly make it switchable for the fragile types.
I'm not a philosopher like most of the people on here but I do play PVP games for human interaction and calling the baddies childish names is part of that. Much rather call the other side wtfomgn00b or lux0r rather than my own team...
Since my PC was connected to the net I've not played single player...

Children will be childish.

[Firearms]

Children will be childish.

So will ppl my age. But I think that's why I play games.

[Baneblade]

I don't send hate tells, tho my tells have been confused as hate tells. I usually just want to know what I did wrong lol.

[Kipper]

Never really understood it. There is of course a difference between "friendly rivalry" tells and proper hating... I like to send/receive a congratulations or a friendly, non-offensive insult - I like the social side of online games.

I don't like when people take it too seriously and they start trying to be personal or genuinely offensive... these people need to a) get over it and b) take some medication and they're probably a bit highly strung.

What's worse though, is how the language of online is changing so that stuff doesn't mean what it used to mean. For an old git like me that's just confusing.... When did "noob" stop meaning "hey, I see you're new at this" to become "hey, you suck at this". And when did it make any sense to say "hey, you suck at this" to someone who just killed you, because that logically suggests that the [killed] person doing the calling sucks at it a tiny bit more that the person who did the killing... #logicFail #mentalBreakdown

[ArmedZealot]

I don't get why someones anger or grief gives enjoyment to some people? I mean, that can't be healthy from a psychological standpoint.


It's a game. People feel like you do when they take things too seriously. The same people that don't understand this are the ones that will sling vile insults left and right when they get butthurt.

Games are meant to be won, and if you are doing something that warrants "I hate your guts" from someone, then you are doing something very right.

A NC cloaker ran a zipline to an island nearby and I spotted him while I was sniping at said island. After a minute or two there was never another flash from an zipline leaving that island ergo he must still be there. So I went and found him at the top of some crystals spamming nades at some TR dudes. Shot him with the bolt driver and died to the TR.

He was angry enough to accuse me of hacking when I was just playing the game smart. This makes me happy.

[dafuq]

just ignore it?
im pretty much hardened against this shit

dude, i can upload a few screenshots of my PS3 inbox, u dont want to know how many hate messages i got this year while playing FIFA 12 :D
i need about 2 minutes till im on the bottom of my inbox..

[WVoneseven]

Upon seeing this thread I was inspired to go through all of my Xfire screen shots and make a collage of all the hate tells I've accumulated over the years

http://i277.photobucket.com/albums/kk58/OoZachoO_bucket/HATETELLS.jpg

Please include cross empire chat. I would deeply saddened if people could no longer voice their anger against me when I slay them in game. Please, please, please include cross empire communication.

Lol i really want to see the gameplay of all those hate tells :P they all say the same hacks... hmmmmm

[opticalshadow]

well i get some things. for example sometimes players talk to much crap all day long. i enjoy beating them, and i enjoy them crying about it. but the only tells i ever sent were jesting fun between people i fought often.

after playing for so long, you start to reconize other players, even if they are not importent, after years, running into the same vs clan or player time after time, you almost kinda of know each other. one of my best relatioships i started in planetside was with an NC, i backstabed him maybe 50 times within a few months, he killed me a bunch to. eventually we started to reconize each other and it became almost like a game, who could find who first, and kill them.

we never talked outside of PS, but we sent tells all the time in game, some times "hate tells" realyl arnt all that hateful

[Death2All]

Lol i really want to see the gameplay of all those hate tells :P they all say the same hacks... hmmmmm

Circa 2009-2011 Planetside, there was a huge uprising in hacks. Hackers were very prevalent due to trial accounts and it was almost a daily occurance to see a hacker online wrecking havok. People in turn became a whole lot more paranoid. They'd call you a hacker over the stupidest things sometimes like get bombed by a Lib or being run over by a tank..."FUCKING COF HACKER"

There's also a whole lot of angry people that play PS.

[Shadowrath]

Didn't do it in PS1 or any other game. It's childish and naive.

This.

[ringring]

I never sent them and I hardly ever received them.

The nearest to anything I sent was a smipey to one of the better NC when he died to my CE trap on an otherwise empty Naum. He took it in the right way.

[RJTravis]

If they add in the option to turn off all enemy msg then sure but they shouldn't force people to read hate speech 99% of it will just be "you hacker omfg im reporting you, skilless bla ima kill you bla bla no one should be forced to hear that crap.

[Hosp]

PS1, mostly got h8 from cloakers that weren't very good at being cloakers. Especially considering my most used weapon is the Bolt Driver.

"Howd you know i was there haxor!" CUD, or Interlink etc.
"Howd you see me running a mile away haxor!" You were running.
"Howd you know i was on that wall haxor!" Tracers work both ways.
"Howd you see me from in that vehicle!" You can drive with DL on (albeit not well).
"Howd you hit me i was behind (insert object)!" Headshot or toeshot, 1 Hitbox means you stuck out a bit.
:rofl:

I don't know what PS2 will bring due to certs and weapon combinations being unknown. But I still foresee much of the same with the added hate tells about head-shots and accusations of auto-aim.

[fod]

never sent a hate tell (its only a game - why get angry over a game lol) but i have sent a few "thats a good one" messages
even recently i got jacked completely out of my mag and shot with my own tank so i sent him a tell saying "nice jack - you got me good :)"

[Crator]

Gotta love the "You Haxor!" tells after killing someone. Especially since I've never hacked before...

Had one guy tell me that and I told him I never have hacked. He said anyone who kills him is a hacker... :LOL:

[Raymac]

I think the hate tells were an important part of building the empire rivalry. Being able to communicate with your enemy directly humanized them that much more. I admit, I would send hate tells, but they were always good natured, and they were always well received. Many times I'd even compliment a player on a good kill especially in a dogfight, but let them know that I'd be looking for my revenge.

Judging by the attitude the head devs have for ribbing each other, I'd expect cross-empire communication to stay in the game.

[Sephirex]

Gotta love the "You Haxor!" tells after killing someone. Especially since I've never hacked before...

Had one guy tell me that and I told him I never have hacked. He said anyone who kills him is a hacker... :LOL:

At least he's honest.

I just give out hugs to all my haters. I also tell them they can add me to their friend's list if they ever need a shoulder to cry on.

We'll get through this....together.

[Marinealver]

It how the empire CR5s gather spies <cough*> I meen sources from other empires.

[Hexabus]

The way I look at it, if you didn't get a hate tell today, you didn't do your job :)

[caffienatedjedi]

Hate tells and being called a hacker are the two biggest compliments you can receive. It means you are doing what you are doing well. Sadly not a PS1 vet, but my experiences in gaming have gotten me many hate tells and hacker accusations. Whenever I receive one, I take it just as well as when a friendly compliments my shooting or similar.

[Arcsilver]

Reminds me of WoW when i would gank on my rogue the horde would actually TAKE THEIR TIME to make an alliance character JUST to whisper me a hate tell....

[LightningDriver]

Hate tells are a waste of time to read, and a waste of time to send. I have been gaming for a long time now, and admit, at one point, I took games way too seriously, but that stopped 15 years ago, the same time that the current generation of hate-tellers were born.

[AzureWatcher]

I would absolutely love to be able to send and receive hate!

One of the few good things about The Old Republic was that you could bullshit with the enemy before and after a Warzone battle and during an Ilum skirmish.

[Gugabalog]

Judging from the modernization and f2p model I have a feeling that inter empire tells will end up being a bunch of rascist slurring on par with xbox live.

Which is unfortunate since I like hearing from my rivals.

[Raymac]

Judging from the modernization and f2p model I have a feeling that inter empire tells will end up being a bunch of rascist slurring on par with xbox live.

Which is unfortunate since I like hearing from my rivals.

Actually, in the early glory days on Planetside, the GMs did a great job of keeping that bullshit in check.

[Gugabalog]

I have a feeling that due to the f2p model that the gms will be busy handling hack complaints.

[Tuoweit]

I've seen enough players run off of games because their communities are total toilets and I'd like PS2 to not be one of them.

That applies equally to EVE as well, it's just managed to keep enough players around who enjoy living in toilets (or put up with it for the sake of the rest of its awesomeness) to keep going and growing ;) I like to say EVE would be a fantastic game, if it weren't for all the EVE players....

[ArmedZealot]

That applies equally to EVE as well, it's just managed to keep enough players around who enjoy living in toilets (or put up with it for the sake of the rest of its awesomeness) to keep going and growing ;) I like to say EVE would be a fantastic game, if it weren't for all the EVE players....

Carebear.

[AzureWatcher]

That applies equally to EVE as well, it's just managed to keep enough players around who enjoy living in toilets (or put up with it for the sake of the rest of its awesomeness) to keep going and growing ;) I like to say EVE would be a fantastic game, if it weren't for all the EVE players....

EVE is definitely not the game for you if you feel that way.

Wizard101 is that way. --->

[OmySpy]

I don't mind things like this from enemies; if you make your enemy mad you must be doing something right. What I dislike is when a teammate rages at you for not doing what they want or performing to their expected level. Can't do much about that except ignore though.

[Tuoweit]

EVE is definitely not the game for you if you feel that way.

Hence why I no longer play it :)

[Sunrock]

Some smack talk just enhance the fun. As long as the smack talk is done with a wink its ok. We who grow up during the 80's maybe remember Hulk Hogan in WWF. His smack talk before the matches was really entertaining and if it's kept at that level I think it will be a good thing for the community over all.

[AzureWatcher]

Hence why I no longer play it :)

;) Just practicing my inter-faction tells on you.

I'm glad you're a good sport.