Vanu politics

[Shendao]

We know what vanus want: transhumanism.
Well great so far, but what is there political system? How is their society organized?

I know its a nerd question, but I'm curios about this aspect of the vanu. Is there any lore about this?

[AThreatToYou]

their society is organized like this:

Twilight Sparkle > all > everything else

[Micheal Phelpz]

their society is organized like this:

Twilight Sparkle > all > everything else

No, just no, please, no.


And to reply, my guess is that they cooperate with each other as a sort of religo-scientific society who move forward with a purpose of one goal, allowing for cooperation

[Bocheezu]

An anarcho-syndicalist commune.

Constitutional Peasants - YouTube

[Shendao]

And they distribute their resources... how? The most vanu-like person gets the most resources? (For science of course... or military campaign... or increase of production etc.).

Still unclear.

[Micheal Phelpz]

And they distribute their resources... how? The most vanu-like person gets the most resources? (For science of course... or military campaign... or increase of production etc.).

Still unclear.

It would be on rank, top researchers would probably get the most for development costs, while the grunts get the least.

[Kitsune]

I think Bocheezu is not far off...

The funny thing about the Vanu is that when you talk about the NC or the TR, you have this image of civilians, people not involved in the war and how they live. You imagine the TR civilian lifestyle of oppressed but safe states, then the NC with free living on corporate money, but what of the Vanu? Are they oppressive like the TR? Are they free like the NC? We are pretty sure they are all supportive of alien tech, but that doesn't mean every man woman and child will bear arms to make their point clear.

I think the Vanu atm are a successful anarchy. What i mean is, there is no government, but the people live content enough together to not break down into crime for the time being. It's also probably an unofficial martial law. If things get hairy then the people look to the military or lead researchers for guidance. But that's just my idea.

[BlueSkies]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technocracy

[Micheal Phelpz]

I think Bocheezu is not far off...

The funny thing about the Vanu is that when you talk about the NC or the TR, you have this image of civilians, people not involved in the war and how they live. You imagine the TR civilian lifestyle of oppressed but safe states, then the NC with free living on corporate money, but what of the Vanu? Are they oppressive like the TR? Are they free like the NC? We are pretty sure they are all supportive of alien tech, but that doesn't mean every man woman and child will bear arms to make their point clear.

I think the Vanu atm are a successful anarchy. What i mean is, there is no government, but the people live content enough together to not break down into crime for the time being. It's also probably an unofficial martial law. If things get hairy then the people look to the military or lead researchers for guidance. But that's just my idea.

I believe they live in a sorta jetsons futuristic society, who all culturally pray to the vanu for the blessings they gave.

[Blackwolf]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technocracy

This probably has a strong influence. The VS are lead by a council, who is responsible for all decisions for the group as a whole.

Not hard to imagine that this council is made up of experts of various scientific fields of study and research.

[NePaS]

This probably has a strong influence. The VS are lead by a council, who is responsible for all decisions for the group as a whole.

Not hard to imagine that this council is made up of experts of various scientific fields of study and research.

You seem to have missed out the mushroom eaters!:rofl:


TRolling on by!

I would love to know more on a concrete backstory tbh,when you think about,the whole thing could do its own 40k style spin off.

[Harasus]

The more lore, the better.

[Ertwin]

Technocracy seems most likely, the VS did start out as a bunch of scientists disgruntled because the TR shut down all their research.

[Gortha]

We managed to perfect the liquid democracy. A form of a real base democracy. Everybody can vote, everybody can suggest ideas. All this is done in our big neuronal net, which connects every Vanu with each other.

[Kriegson]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technocracy

^ was going to be my guess. Anyone else ever play City of heroes back in the day?
Stephan Richter (sp) AKA lord arachnos, was also a common human being until being blessed by the Titan Tartarus with demigod like powers and great intellect.
Constructing various devices of incredible technology (or stealing them) and weaving an intricate plot to stage a coup in order to create his own nation, free from the laws and politics of the rest of the world. With the ultimate goal of a technocracy, albeit twisted by his dark vision.

http://api.*********/files/WthpBUyi5Su4UuKYC2HBAmcFXXX6fKOFFhQ6bNwkf2heoADwRL E2L4beTvmxOeFr9d0jTuwlqtYog5QilvX7n1NboYumBEqm/Just_as_planned_tzeentch.jpg?width=683&height=476

[SixShooter]

We managed to perfect the liquid democracy. A form of a real base democracy. Everybody can vote, everybody can suggest ideas. All this is done in our big neuronal net, which connects every Vanu with each other.

Yes, much like Cylons.

Oh, wait. That really didn't turn out well for them....

[Neurotoxin]

The description for VS on the character creation screen is terrible. It really need to be rewritten.

[SeanNewBoy]

I think of the council of Olympus from the Appleseed manga.

[Marinealver]

There is no real political system in Planetside other than what outfit you belong to.

I had thought of some sort of sociological cast system where 1 empire can pick sort of the "figure head" from which cast each player choose. The TR would chooe from the military(playes Planetside as an FPS), the Vanu would choose from the Scientist (Adds Role Playing to Planetside) and the New Conglomerate would choose from the Civilian (Freestyle type of play)

[berzerkerking]

We managed to perfect the liquid democracy. A form of a real base democracy. Everybody can vote, everybody can suggest ideas. All this is done in our big neuronal net, which connects every Vanu with each other.
This guy gets it. Hive mind :borg:

[Liwen Diamond]

Not quite an Hive Mind. Hive Minds are lead by one individual with loads and loads of mindless drones.

In a 'Big neuronal net' everyone still retains their free will and personality, but can comminucate information and feelings to the others and receive information. What they choose to do with said information is their own damn buisness, but usually for one to have access to this network, they have to follow a set of rules, have genuine beliefs in what the Vanu Sovregnity stands for and obey superiors. Otherwise they are quickly identified as traitors and shot in the face, or possibly even killed by mind assault, depending on how far VS is willing to go. However, to not be oppressive, everyone should be able to disconnect from the network without it being considered strange or suspicious and no forceful intruision in the minds of anyone should be possible.

[Kipper]

The Hitchhikers Guide to the Galaxy has the following to say about the Vanu Sovereignty:

Mostly Purple.

[Canaris]

their political parties mandate is the spreading of Vanu to everyone if they like it or not,
followed by brain worm infestation

[Folly]

Vanu (deity) > High Sovereign of Vanu > High Sovereign's Counsel = Bishops of Vanu > Vicar of Vanu > Priests of Vanu = Vanu's Zealots > Acolyte of Vanu > Initiate of Vanu > those touched by Vanu's indoctrination but not yet initiated into the Sovereignty.

[berzerkerking]

http://youtu.be/CsPuWUQguCA
I'm just gonna drop this here

[Harasus]

Vanu (deity) > High Sovereign of Vanu > High Sovereign's Counsel = Bishops of Vanu > Vicar of Vanu > Priests of Vanu = Vanu's Zealots > Acolyte of Vanu > Initiate of Vanu > those touched by Vanu's indoctrination but not yet initiated into the Sovereignty.

They are not Christians...

My guess is that the Vanu work through a council, as has been said before. Probably with a lot of freedom to do whatever they want in order to find more technology and help the Vanu Sovereignty, at whatever cost. A slightly anarchistic society.

Not a fan of the entire "Connected mind"-thingy. No one has gotten that far, not even the Vanu.

[SeanNewBoy]

Big props to JoeDragon. :lol:

[Rivenshield]

I pretty much figured since the Vanu are a spacegoing mystery cult, they'd have elders. Every cult has elders, and everybody else defers to them. You know. Kind of like early Mormons... with pew-pew lazor gunz.

[Mongo]

Vanu (deity) > High Sovereign of Vanu > High Sovereign's Counsel = Bishops of Vanu > Vicar of Vanu > Priests of Vanu = Vanu's Zealots > Acolyte of Vanu > Initiate of Vanu > those touched by Vanu's indoctrination but not yet initiated into the Sovereignty.

I like your reference to religion and 'touching'.

I believe they live in a sorta jetsons futuristic society, who all culturally pray to the vanu for the blessings they gave.

You realise there are no black people or anyone of non white ethnicity in the jetsons?

What can we summerise from these two quotes?

Vanu Sov are an advanced society of White Supremacist Child Molesters.

Hmm thats a interesting outfit name!

[berzerkerking]

I like your reference to religion and 'touching'.



You realise there are no black people or anyone of non white ethnicity in the jetsons?

What can we summerise from these two quotes?

Vanu Sov are an advanced society of White Supremacist Child Molesters.

Hmm thats a interesting outfit name!
T-ray the first Vanu is black. Your argument is invalid

[Mongo]

sadly tis not my argument mearly an observation of others views, so your statement of my argument being invalid, is invalid in itself which makes it true again...I think!

For example I observe you mention he is black but you ignore conciously or subconciously the observation on touching, does that mean that he may be an alleged ... er religious practioner? For example:

http://static.fjcdn.com/gifs/priest_d69dd8_2955428.gif

[Lord Paladin]

I really want to write some fiction about this now. It sounds like a fun project :)

[Blackwolf]

sadly tis not my argument mearly an observation of others views, so your statement of my argument being invalid, is invalid in itself which makes it true again...I think!

For example I observe you mention he is black but you ignore conciously or subconciously the observation on touching, does that mean that he may be an alleged ... er religious practioner? For example:

http://static.fjcdn.com/gifs/priest_d69dd8_2955428.gif

Actually his comment was directed at your statement and is not invalidated simply because your statement was the combination of two other statements. In reality, you were the one who mentioned religious white supremacy. No one else made these connections. Your statement continues to be fully invalidated by T-Ray's existence.

Not quite an Hive Mind. Hive Minds are lead by one individual with loads and loads of mindless drones.

In a 'Big neuronal net' everyone still retains their free will and personality, but can comminucate information and feelings to the others and receive information. What they choose to do with said information is their own damn buisness, but usually for one to have access to this network, they have to follow a set of rules, have genuine beliefs in what the Vanu Sovregnity stands for and obey superiors. Otherwise they are quickly identified as traitors and shot in the face, or possibly even killed by mind assault, depending on how far VS is willing to go. However, to not be oppressive, everyone should be able to disconnect from the network without it being considered strange or suspicious and no forceful intruision in the minds of anyone should be possible.

Probably closer to Ghost in the Shell kind of network. An internet of information with every individual being able to access that internet via a computer built into their neck or something. This allows the free voluntary exchange of information, without the constant connection.

But chances are they are just technocrats with a council of scientific experts. No mass internet that all their minds are connected to. Interesting ideas though.

[Gugabalog]

Not exactly on topic but was just listening to "Rally My Republic" and it severely makes me doubt the Vanu way. IRL I'm not sure whether I would go VS or NC. NC is unfit to govern Auraxis due to their corporate roots and the VS are too confident.

But the TR are fucking nazis. I couldn't stand being ruled by a junta.

Theocracy, Oligarchy, or Facism?

Progress, Freedom, or Order?

Anarchy, Slave to the Credit, or Brutality?

Is there a hope of rescue?

If so, TR all the way.

If not...I just don't know. To be ruled by sociopaths or by fanatics?

TBH I think I'd fight for the NC and then grab anyone trying to take power by the balls or tits and fucking kill them. Atleast sociopaths care about their own skins...

I'm really conflicted about the factions ideology lore-wise...

[Mongo]

Actually his comment was directed at your statement and is not invalidated simply because your statement was the combination of two other statements. In reality, you were the one who mentioned religious white supremacy. No one else made these connections. Your statement continues to be fully invalidated by T-Ray's existence.


My post was an observation of two other posters suggestions, I merely combined them for some tongue in cheek humour, given the faux par of comparing vanu to an unintentionally racist show and of talking about it as a religion and mentioning touching.

However im glad you are slowly redacting the idea im putting forth an "argument", I do feel it is odd I have to explain the meaning of a post twice - I know what I mean and I mean what I say..

Maybe If I reiterate in caps? OBSERVATIONAL HUMOUR! Here is another example while remainig within the boundaries of our discussion**:


I also have my suspicions of T-RAY actually not being Vanu!

Evidence 1: I observe(hint) His Name when abbreviated = TR /gasp!!

Evidence 2: /gasp!!11one
http://i.imgur.com/CeLzv.jpg

**note there may also be some hints of sarcasm in the following text.

[Liwen Diamond]

Not exactly on topic but was just listening to "Rally My Republic" and it severely makes me doubt the Vanu way. IRL I'm not sure whether I would go VS or NC. NC is unfit to govern Auraxis due to their corporate roots and the VS are too confident.

But the TR are fucking nazis. I couldn't stand being ruled by a junta.

Theocracy, Oligarchy, or Facism?

Progress, Freedom, or Order?

Anarchy, Slave to the Credit, or Brutality?

Is there a hope of rescue?

If so, TR all the way.

If not...I just don't know. To be ruled by sociopaths or by fanatics?

TBH I think I'd fight for the NC and then grab anyone trying to take power by the balls or tits and fucking kill them. Atleast sociopaths care about their own skins...

I'm really conflicted about the factions ideology lore-wise...

That's the coolest thing about the lore of Planetside. They are not good guys, there is no ideal solution. People are stuck in an endless war and everybody is going about it all wrong. Which is why I believe in the end, gameplay will by the deciding factor of faction choice for most people. If you wanted to truely resolve the conflict the right way, I'd have to come up with a 4th faction with an entirely new ideology.

[berzerkerking]

It seems you have come to doubt our ways young acolyte.

Abandon your fear. Look forward. Move forward and never stop. You'll age if you pull back. You'll die if you hesitate." ...
~Zangetsu
http://fc06.deviantart.net/fs13/i/2007/080/c/9/Zangetsu_by_frontsideair.png
The Vanu Sovereignity don't claim to be the only enforcers of what is right:nazi:, or that they give absolute freedom:ncsucks:, but they do claim to be unafraid of progress:vsrocks:, and that is why I follow.[/QUOTE]
Move forward and never stop. We are the Vanu and we are tommorow

[Blackwolf]

Too much to quote

Look I'm simply pointing out that you had an observation/opinion and that someone else rightfully debunked it (and just as playfully I might add).

If anyone isn't playing along with the joke, it's you.

And Gug, you think too much about unimportant things. It's not like if you chose to side with the TR, you have to act like them in RL and join a supremacy group or whatever. The appeal of these games is that we aren't these things in RL. Play an empire based on playstyle and make of their ideology whatever you want.

You also strike me as incredibly gullible. Not everything spouted on the forums is true.

[Elthbert]

Thee Vanu are traitors to the Human race. The TR are Fascist. The NC are freedom lovers who have not sold out their entire species for a hover tank.


What else do you need to know?

[therandomone]

Thee Vanu are traitors to the Human race. The TR are Fascist. The NC are freedom lovers who have not sold out their entire species for a hover tank.


What else do you need to know?

I never understood that whole "traitor to the human race" thing. Because they try and progress humanity they are against it? A modern day example would be the US Armys research on powered exoskeltons. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Powered_exoskeleton

Does that mean they are traitors to the human race? Nope. They're just trying to make it more awesome.

[Elthbert]

Nope they are transhumanist, everyone in planetside uses high technology, but the Vanu are more than that, they have sacrificed their humanity, that's why they name themselves after aliens.