Two seater Gunships/Utility Transports?

[RabbleRabble]

I'm new to the whole Planetside scene and was wondering if there are gonna be any two seat gunships? Sort of like a futuristic helicopter gunship with a pilot that fires rockets and a gunner that controls a gatling gun turret? I know there's things like the Mosquito, but if I'm not mistaken it's only a one seat aircraft and the Liberator which is a 3 seat bomber.

It'll probably overlap too much with the latter that it might not get added, but I'm just curious.

My second part to this thread is will there be Utility Transport aircraft? I know there is the Galaxy, but that thing is huge and slow and was wondering if there are plans to include something more flexible and smaller something that functions like a UH-60 Blackhawk (whereas the Galaxy functions like a CH-47) that can quickly drop off squads in tight spots or perform aerial support instead of dedicated ground attack like the Liberator.

Edit: I'm AWARE that there is a Liberator gunship which is a 3 seater and Mosquito that is a one seater. I'm specifically asking if there might be a tandem two seat gunship like how the Apache works.

[Sunrock]

Yes there are transport vehicles that can take a full squad.

PS:

This might be something you want to see...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MjdloVQZ56M

[exLupo]

I don't see them adding a fast air transport. One of the PS1 lessons learned that easy access to air transport quickly invalidated ground transport. Not saying there may not be other crewed aircraft over time but I think small-squad transports will be left in the capable hands of the Sunderer.

[RabbleRabble]

Yes there are transport vehicles that can take a full squad.

I know that. Hence, why I mentioned the Galaxy.

[Sunrock]

Watch the video then...

[RabbleRabble]

Watch the video then...

My post wasn't asking if there are transport vehicles (which you fail to even understand) cause they're obviously in the game. I'm asking if there are other classes of air vehicles they plan on adding, which I stated clearly.

Thanks for linking me a video that doesn't address anything and your lack of comprehension.

So far exLupo has actually replied to what I actually stated in my thread. Thank you.

[Thorondor]

Thanks for linking me a video that doesn't address anything and your lack of comprehension.

You asked if there's going to be gunships. The video is all about gunships.

[Sunrock]

My post wasn't asking if there are transport vehicles (which you fail to even understand) cause they're obviously in the game. I'm asking if there are other classes of air vehicles they plan on adding, which I stated clearly.

Thanks for linking me a video that doesn't address anything and your lack of comprehension.

So far exLupo has actually replied to what I actually stated in my thread. Thank you.

Did you ask if there was a gun ship that tock on more then 1 person to control? Yes you did! What does the vido show? A gun ship that takes 3 players to control. No did that awnser your question? Yes it did!

Maybe actually watch the vidoe next time or I start to question your lack of comprehension

[RabbleRabble]

You asked if there's going to be gunships. The video is all about gunships.

"wondering if there are gonna be any two seat gunships?"

Liberator isn't a two seat gunship, and the Mosquito is a one seat gunship (correct me if I'm wrong) Hm, don't see a two seat gunship.

Did you ask if there was a gun ship that tock on more then 1 person to control? Yes you did? What does the vido show? A gun ship that takes 3 players to control. No did that awnser your question? yes it did.

"wondering if there are gonna be any two seat gunships?"

I specifically asked about two seater gunships because I knew beforehand there was a 3 seater and 1 seater gunships. So, you didn't answer jack.

As of now exLupo STILL is the only one that replied to my original thread.

[Sunrock]

"wondering if there are gonna be any two seat gunships?"

I specifically asked about two seater gunships because I knew beforehand there was a 3 seater and 1 seater gunships. So, you didn't answer jack.

As of now exLupo STILL is the only one that replied to my original thread.

Now you're just spitting words. So stop being a a-hole and be glad I even bather to reply. Go dig up your own fucking info in the future. Just click the wiki link

PS: Nice back editing of your post BTW did not say what origination.

[exLupo]

I nearly said "Derp, liberator" as well but then I actually finished reading your whole post. I still feel the Lib sorta fills that role, I do see what you're asking for. Something like how the Reaver used to play. A non-linear flight aircraft with both guns and rockets but you want one that they can be used at the same time and with the gun on a turret, not something bound to vehicle facing.

It -may- happen but with the interceptors and liberator already being in, it'd have role overlap issues.

edit: Damn, Sun, tone it down. You didn't read his post (he was speculating about future additions) and you got called on it. Have some grace and back out before you make yourself look like even more of an internet tough guy. :(

[RabbleRabble]

I nearly said "Derp, liberator" as well but then I actually finished reading your whole post. I still feel the Lib sorta fills that role, I do see what you're asking for. Something like how the Reaver used to play. A non-linear flight aircraft with both guns and rockets but you want one that they can be used at the same time and with the gun on a turret, not something bound to vehicle facing.

It -may- happen but with the interceptors and liberator already being in, it'd have role overlap issues.

edit: Damn, Sun, tone it down. You didn't read his post (he was speculating about future additions) and you got called on it. Have some grace and back out before you make yourself look like even more of an internet tough guy. :(

Thank god for you sir, you're the only one here that's successfully gave your insight on everything I've stated in the thread.

"A non-linear flight aircraft with both guns and rockets but you want one that they can be used at the same time and with the gun on a turret, not something bound to vehicle facing."

Basically, except the turret is controlled by a second player and can be rotated.

PS: Nice back editing of your post BTW did not say what origination.

Yeah, because I had to avoid confusion for people like you by not QQ'ing about information I already knew about in the first place and repeatedly cramming it.

You never addressed my concerns. You lose, good night sir.

[Monkey]

The thing is this game is all about balance, so if they added a quick air transport along with the Galaxy, a quick ground vehicle would need to be added also to partner the sunderer.

[Duskguy]

dont see a quick full squad aircraft being added, because as addressedm would invalidate the sunderer.

as for the 2 seat gunship, not sure it would be added as its very close to the liberator. in the suggestion forum there is a thread about a hammerhead aircraft. which was proposed as a support ship with a few transport positions and a customizable support crate.

i would howver like to see a helicopter type gunship that moves about thes same speed as the liberator, but has a lower altitude cap so that they dont turn into BF3 helicopters spinning at the top of the map trying to hit jets. would basically be a close air support unit compared to the liberator which can fire from far above. and being a helicopter type unit, would be able to quickly dart around, hover, side strafe like the VS scythe, etc.

[VikingPignvin]

The thing is this game is all about balance, so if they added a quick air transport along with the Galaxy, a quick ground vehicle would need to be added also to partner the sunderer.


quick ground transport = useless sunderer. quick air transport= all other transport useless

[Sulaco]

I'd love to see a Planetside equivalent of the MH-6 Little Bird, with soldiers able to sit on the sides, firing their own handheld weapons. Could make for lots of fun on smash n' grab style missions.

[Wrath]

little bird type craft isnt needed like somebody already said if you had some fast small air trasport it would just do away with the ground version since everybody would pick it up as personal transports and it would do away with any team play

a blackhawk type gun platform/transport is equally no needed since the galaxy exists

i think the OP is a battlefield player who is expecting to be able to hover over a battlefield laying down a rain of death as you can in BF. problem is there will be far more air vehicles in PS so that type of combat would exist if you arent moving at speed over a battlefield you'll be dead in seconds.

[vasito]

I like the idea of a Blackhawk/mi-24 type gunship. With transport capabilities but also guns.

Also a 2man gunship is good to. A PS2 equivalent to modern helicopters like the AH-1Z Viper/mi-28

[Wutpear]

The only thing I would say is that the utility of the gunship type aircraft is provided by the existing aircraft. I am a little curious to what kind of gun the movable turret would be. Either way if you want an apache just strap some rocket pods on a reaver and call it a day.

[Sulaco]

little bird type craft isnt needed like somebody already said if you had some fast small air trasport it would just do away with the ground version since everybody would pick it up as personal transports and it would do away with any team play

I guess so, but isn't that down to balancing? They could make craft such as this more expensive or have some negative attributes that would make it less convenient to use as a personal get-there-fast ship perhaps.

If I personally wanted to play with a small squad of buddies, it'd be neat if we could drop into a battle with a small air transport (not because I don't like ground transport - I just love air-drops), rather than using the Galaxy - which I love, but is a beast of a craft best suited for large insertions.

Also I totally agree that ground transport is a big deal and should be more prominent, but something I missed in BF3 was the option to be an airborne troop transport and NOT get blown out of the sky in seconds. My concern is not for being an annoying as hell attack helicopter bombing everyone on the ground, but to be able to perform fast insertions of small 4-man squads etc. on rooftops and whatnot.

[Wutpear]

You would be surprised how nimble and evasive you can be with a Galaxy.

If you really want to do those small drops your talking about.
1. Take a Galaxy
2. Load it up with as many guys as you can get (all light assault)
3. Get to high altitude and tell your buddies to jump when you are above your target. BOOM instant paratrooper attack.

[quaye]

quick ground transport = useless sunderer. quick air transport= all other transport useless
Not really. Just make the quick medium transports with less durability and less weapons.

[Lord Paladin]

You would be surprised how nimble and evasive you can be with a Galaxy.

If you really want to do those small drops your talking about.
1. Take a Galaxy
2. Load it up with as many guys as you can get (all light assault)
3. Get to high altitude and tell your buddies to jump when you are above your target. BOOM instant paratrooper attack.

Actually this gives me a great idea of how you could do it.

Make it a helicopter type vehicle (about the speed of a reaver, but as manuverable as a scythe), give it a considerably lower flight ceiling (so it can't be out of range of ground fire). It would be 1 pilot, a 1(2) gunners (either like an apache, or two side chain guns) and and 3-4 exposed passenger seats (total compliment of 6).

Then DON'T give it a hot drop system.

You could still do high drops with LA (cause of their jetpacks) but not as high as a galaxy for HALO. You could load other (non-max) units into it, but you'd have to touch down to do so. Since it's super manuverable, the langing/take off could be quick (or just hover over the ground).

This would make it an ideal spec ops transport, since it's not as clunky as a galaxy or sunderer, but since it's (relatively) low armor, exposed passengers, and resonably fast (no afterburners), but could do drop off and extractions quickly. It wouldn't be something you bring into a main engagement, or something you're using to transport large numbers to a hot spot. It would be something you use against towers and outposts to keep your profile low, and get in and get out.

You move in, you drop your 3-4 squad mates off, the pilot and gunner(s) provide a little fire support, when they're done, you move in, pick them up, and you're off.

Just be careful if that HA or MAX gets off the first shot.

[RabbleRabble]

Interesting ideas so far.

Maybe combine the two ideas I gave in the thread instead?

An air transport with minimal offensive capability:

-carries 5-6 passengers
-1 pilot, no weapons but has countermeasures like flares.
-1 gunner that controls a rotating gatling gun turret
-Slightly higher speed than the Galaxy
-Smaller airframe
-Lower flight ceiling (so it makes it vulnerable to ground fire)

I guess it basically functions like a MI-24, but without rockets.

[Goldeh]

I believe what he is asking for is the Helicopters (or something similar) from BF3.

They are two seater and their weapons are indepentent from each other (Autocannon on a swivel Player 1, Rockets+Driving Player 2)

..Nope, something like that is not in the game at release. Perhaps in the future.

[RabbleRabble]

little bird type craft isnt needed like somebody already said if you had some fast small air trasport it would just do away with the ground version since everybody would pick it up as personal transports and it would do away with any team play

I somewhat agree with you, however I think Observation/Light attack air vehicles like a futuristic Little Bird would have uses. To prevent people picking it up as personal transports maybe make things like the ATV cheaper and give the little bird more resource cost so they need to make use of it effectively? Just an idea. :)


i think the OP is a battlefield player who is expecting to be able to hover over a battlefield laying down a rain of death

While I would like a two seat gunship in the game, I'm more interested in having a more nimble transport aircraft because I like flying people around in a battle, only thing is the Galaxy looks like and handles like a bus.

[Wrath]

I somewhat agree with you, however I think Observation/Light attack air vehicles like a futuristic Little Bird would have uses. To prevent people picking it up as personal transports maybe make things like the ATV cheaper and give the little bird more resource cost so they need to make use of it effectively? Just an idea. :)

in terms of recon/scouting the allaince aircraft i believe can be kitted out and tailered to suit what ever role you like so they could easy fill that role



While I would like a two seat gunship in the game, I'm more interested in having a more nimble transport aircraft because I like flying people around in a battle, only thing is the Galaxy looks like and handles like a bus.

as for ferrying people about i think your missing the point in planetside some what. darting round dropping 3-4 people off at a time isn't going to do much to swing a 300-400 people battle. your stuck in BF mode where 1 blackhawk drop behind enemy lines can swing and win a map.

[EnderGraff]

Just so you guys know, the Galexy does have guns on it :p So they completely fill the role you guys are discussing :p

[Lord Paladin]

Just so you guys know, the Galexy does have guns on it :p So they completely fill the role you guys are discussing :p

The OP is talking about something that handles better. Basically, he want something maneuverable :P

Now, back in my day of PS1 I could make the Galaxy dance, but the flight mechanics were terrible. I'm EXTREMELY excited to get my hands on one in PS2 and see how it handles. I loved that flying boat.